Re: web browser choices

[Javier Vasquez]

On 3/19/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]

Is there another well-featured web-browser that is _not_ integrated into
a desktop environment?

Thanks,

Doug.


Dillo is frozen right now (http://www.dillo.org), so I don't know if
it'll accomplish its goals any time soon, and if eventually would
attempt to accomplish others'...  Opera although non open-source, but
free, seems to be like the only alternative to gekko derivatives,
supporting same features like multi-tab, java, flash, https, etc.

I don't understand your comment about iceape being big.  Actually I
have installed its browser only, so one doesn't really require the
whole suite (except if the non-free java-sun 6 package is to be used,
since its dependency is buggy, it requires the whole suite instead of
just the browser).  Also ice* is not desktop dependent, I have its
browser installed and it works nice in plain fluxbox and plain iceWm,
so I don't see how it can be considered desktop dependent...

I'm sure you'll get better and more pertinent replies, even for the
opera vs firefox never ending war.  If you'd like to have java
support, https, and occasionally flash, then I don't see lynx, links,
dillo, etc, supporting any of that.  Hopefully I'm wrong...  As I
didn't like Opera not being open source I decided to stay with iceApe,
but there might be news out there I'm not aware of, :).  I don't
consider opera, neither iceApe integrated into any desktop
environment, but again (they work with any, and without it) it depends
in what I consider as desktop environment...


--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

vim-lesstif

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

Is there any one uder unstable using vim-lesstif?  I'm getting the
following error:

% gvim
gvim: Symbol `_XmStrings' has different size in shared object,
consider re-linking
Warning: Cannot find callback list in XtAddCallback

The window pops up OK, however I see only the upper half of the icon
toolbar (I don't know how to call this, I'm sorry if it's noto
correct), meaning I can see only half of the icons, the lower half is
not visible.

I don't care much about those icons, but it seems like there's a
problem with the libraries...

Is this already known?  The version as of now under unstable,
according to aptitude, is 1:7.1-000+1.  Any information would be
appreciated

Thanks,

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GRUB2 and Windows

[Javier Vasquez]

On 7/19/07, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I took a leap of faith (or folly, yet to be seen) and installed
> grub2.  I did this in an attempt to move from Lilo to Grub (as I prefer
> grub).  However, I didn't realize that Grub2 is vastly different!  It
> seems to be installed correctly as I have a grub.cfg file that looks
> correct for booting all of my Linux kernel images.  What I don't have
> though is an entry for WindowsXP.  How do I add this entry?  Can grub
> find it automatically?

I don't what's the current status, but I know that grub2's support for
booting things like Windows was somewhere between lacking and partly working
at some point in the past (a year maybe?).


Stefan


Well, I'm using debian unstable, and with the latest version of grub2
I can boot windows XP.  However, it's not automatically.  Apparently
there's a bug in grub itself which doesn't allow setting a global root
directory, and then try to set a different one in the menu entry.
Nice thing is that on unstable the menus are generated by scripts in
/etc/grub.d.

So 1st thing is to comment the following lines out, as shown bellow:

#if [ "x${GRUB_DRIVE}" = "x" ] ; then : ; else
#  echo "set root=${GRUB_DRIVE}"
#fi


From /etc/grub.d/00_header.  The 2nd thing is to add a script for the

windows XP, which is not included by default, I named it
/etc/grub.d/10_windows.  The scripts are looked up by alphanumeric
order I believe.

I'm attaching both files for your consideration.  I don't know if a
bug needs to be filed, because I don't really know if grub needs to be
fixed for the root thing, or if it's just debian script which is
wrong.  At any rate I found the work around I needed...

I hope this helps...


--
Javier


00_header
Description: Binary data


10_windows
Description: Binary data

Re: GRUB2 and Windows

[Javier Vasquez]

On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:16:27 -0600
"Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 7/19/07, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >   I took a leap of faith (or folly, yet to be seen) and
> > > installed grub2.  I did this in an attempt to move from Lilo to
> > > Grub (as I prefer grub).  However, I didn't realize that Grub2 is
> > > vastly different!  It seems to be installed correctly as I have a
> > > grub.cfg file that looks correct for booting all of my Linux
> > > kernel images.  What I don't have though is an entry for
> > > WindowsXP.  How do I add this entry?  Can grub find it
> > > automatically?
> >
> > I don't what's the current status, but I know that grub2's support
> > for booting things like Windows was somewhere between lacking and
> > partly working at some point in the past (a year maybe?).
> >
> >
> > Stefan
>
> Well, I'm using debian unstable, and with the latest version of grub2
> I can boot windows XP.  However, it's not automatically.  Apparently
> there's a bug in grub itself which doesn't allow setting a global root
> directory, and then try to set a different one in the menu entry.
> Nice thing is that on unstable the menus are generated by scripts in
> /etc/grub.d.
>
> So 1st thing is to comment the following lines out, as shown bellow:
>
> #if [ "x${GRUB_DRIVE}" = "x" ] ; then : ; else
> #  echo "set root=${GRUB_DRIVE}"
> #fi
>
> >From /etc/grub.d/00_header.  The 2nd thing is to add a script for the
> windows XP, which is not included by default, I named it
> /etc/grub.d/10_windows.  The scripts are looked up by alphanumeric
> order I believe.
>
> I'm attaching both files for your consideration.  I don't know if a
> bug needs to be filed, because I don't really know if grub needs to be
> fixed for the root thing, or if it's just debian script which is
> wrong.  At any rate I found the work around I needed...
>
> I hope this helps...
>
>

I think it's on the right track, but I seem to still have a problem.
When I select Windows in list I get sent back to the Grub menu.  Any
ideas on why or where to look for a clue?



--
Travis Crook
Visions Beyond
www.VisionsBeyond.com
208-478-7836


If you modified the header script, then I'm kind of clueless, becasue
that was affecting me big time, and after removing such thing
everything went OK when performing update-grub (still the same command
to regenerate the menu, now grub.conf).

Now the other thing...  Grub 2 now went back to partitions starting at
1 instead of 0.  In my case the windows partition is the 2nd primary
one, because the 1st one is used by the hibernation raw dell
partition.  So in my case the windows partition is 2 for grub as well.
If windows were placed in the 1st partition, then the partition
number for grub should be 1 instead.  The later is the most common
configuration, having windows as the main 1st partition.  The devices
kept the same numbering though, so the master disk will be ususally
hd0...

The failure most likely indicates your suffering from partition
numbering.  But 1st make sure you took care of the root thing...

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GRUB2 and Windows

[Javier Vasquez]

On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:39:36 -0600
Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0600
> "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:16:27 -0600
> > > "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > If you modified the header script, then I'm kind of clueless,
> > becasue that was affecting me big time, and after removing such
> > thing everything went OK when performing update-grub (still the
> > same command to regenerate the menu, now grub.conf).
> >
> > Now the other thing...  Grub 2 now went back to partitions starting
> > at 1 instead of 0.  In my case the windows partition is the 2nd
> > primary one, because the 1st one is used by the hibernation raw dell
> > partition.  So in my case the windows partition is 2 for grub as
> > well. If windows were placed in the 1st partition, then the
> > partition number for grub should be 1 instead.  The later is the
> > most common configuration, having windows as the main 1st
> > partition.  The devices kept the same numbering though, so the
> > master disk will be ususally hd0...
> >
> > The failure most likely indicates your suffering from partition
> > numbering.  But 1st make sure you took care of the root thing...
> >
>
> I have tried several different partition numbers, especially 1 since
> that is the partition that Windows resides on.  I'll attach my files
> so you can see if I'm missing something.


Maybe something else to think about is that I'm currently running
Lenny, but added repositories for Sid to update Grub2 (only).
>

--
Travis Crook
Visions Beyond
www.VisionsBeyond.com
208-478-7836



Hmm,

The numbering is OK, it should be 1, if your windows partition is the
1st primary one.

The only thing I can think of, is that I'm running on intel, and
you're running on amd apparently.  I imagine the binaries are
different, but beyond that the versions seem OK [1] [2].  But that's
my last desperate guess.  Maybe someone else might try to provide
input for either processor, and confirm is things work for him/her.  I
can just confirm things work for me with the work around indicated...

[1]   
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grub&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all
[2]   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/grub-pc

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GRUB2 and Windows

[Javier Vasquez]

On 7/19/07, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:39:36 -0600
> Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0600
> > "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:16:27 -0600
> > > > "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you modified the header script, then I'm kind of clueless,
> > > becasue that was affecting me big time, and after removing such
> > > thing everything went OK when performing update-grub (still the
> > > same command to regenerate the menu, now grub.conf).
> > >
> > > Now the other thing...  Grub 2 now went back to partitions starting
> > > at 1 instead of 0.  In my case the windows partition is the 2nd
> > > primary one, because the 1st one is used by the hibernation raw dell
> > > partition.  So in my case the windows partition is 2 for grub as
> > > well. If windows were placed in the 1st partition, then the
> > > partition number for grub should be 1 instead.  The later is the
> > > most common configuration, having windows as the main 1st
> > > partition.  The devices kept the same numbering though, so the
> > > master disk will be ususally hd0...
> > >
> > > The failure most likely indicates your suffering from partition
> > > numbering.  But 1st make sure you took care of the root thing...
> > >
> >
> > I have tried several different partition numbers, especially 1 since
> > that is the partition that Windows resides on.  I'll attach my files
> > so you can see if I'm missing something.
>
>
> Maybe something else to think about is that I'm currently running
> Lenny, but added repositories for Sid to update Grub2 (only).
> >
>
> --
> Travis Crook
> Visions Beyond
> www.VisionsBeyond.com
> 208-478-7836
>

Hmm,

The numbering is OK, it should be 1, if your windows partition is the
1st primary one.

The only thing I can think of, is that I'm running on intel, and
you're running on amd apparently.  I imagine the binaries are
different, but beyond that the versions seem OK [1] [2].  But that's
my last desperate guess.  Maybe someone else might try to provide
input for either processor, and confirm is things work for him/her.  I
can just confirm things work for me with the work around indicated...

[1]   
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grub&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all
[2]   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/grub-pc


I forgot to mention that I moved the original grub directory from
/boot, somewhere else (didn't just removed it in case something goes
wrong).  Then I performed a clean grub-install.  The reasons I did
this was that I noticed a grub version change, and I always do that to
avoid old stuff getting in the way.  You can try that as well (at this
point I don't see why not trying)...  Still maybe some other guys can
report their experiences, :).

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GRUB2 and Windows

[Javier Vasquez]

On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:01:50 -0600
"Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:39:36 -0600
> > Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:16:06 -0600
> > > "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 7/19/07, Travis Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:16:27 -0600
> > > > > "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you modified the header script, then I'm kind of clueless,
> > > > becasue that was affecting me big time, and after removing such
> > > > thing everything went OK when performing update-grub (still the
> > > > same command to regenerate the menu, now grub.conf).
> > > >
> > > > Now the other thing...  Grub 2 now went back to partitions
> > > > starting at 1 instead of 0.  In my case the windows partition
> > > > is the 2nd primary one, because the 1st one is used by the
> > > > hibernation raw dell partition.  So in my case the windows
> > > > partition is 2 for grub as well. If windows were placed in the
> > > > 1st partition, then the partition number for grub should be 1
> > > > instead.  The later is the most common configuration, having
> > > > windows as the main 1st partition.  The devices kept the same
> > > > numbering though, so the master disk will be ususally hd0...
> > > >
> > > > The failure most likely indicates your suffering from partition
> > > > numbering.  But 1st make sure you took care of the root thing...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have tried several different partition numbers, especially 1
> > > since that is the partition that Windows resides on.  I'll attach
> > > my files so you can see if I'm missing something.
> >
> >
> > Maybe something else to think about is that I'm currently running
> > Lenny, but added repositories for Sid to update Grub2 (only).
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Travis Crook
> > Visions Beyond
> > www.VisionsBeyond.com
> > 208-478-7836
> >
>
> Hmm,
>
> The numbering is OK, it should be 1, if your windows partition is the
> 1st primary one.
>
> The only thing I can think of, is that I'm running on intel, and
> you're running on amd apparently.  I imagine the binaries are
> different, but beyond that the versions seem OK [1] [2].  But that's
> my last desperate guess.  Maybe someone else might try to provide
> input for either processor, and confirm is things work for him/her.  I
> can just confirm things work for me with the work around indicated...
>
> [1]
> 
http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grub&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all
> [2]   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/grub-pc

Okay, thanks a bunch!  This at least gets me going in the right
direction.
>


--
Travis Crook
Visions Beyond
www.VisionsBeyond.com
208-478-7836


As a last thing, see my last e-mail I sent (apparently yours got the
list 1st).  I suggest moving the grub directory somewhere not in
/boot, and perform grub-install with the right parameters, so that you
get clean new grub stuff generated, then of course update-grub to get
the menu, :).  Just my last suggestion, :).

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is gtksee removed?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

Under unstable a few weeks back gtksee got unstalled due to dependancy
problems.  I've been keeping an eye on the package under aptitude, and
besides the dependancy problem being there, now it shows up as not a
package...

I looked then into "http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtksee.html"; and found:

---
This package is neither part of unstable nor experimental. This
probably means that the package has been removed (or has been
renamed). Thus the information here is of little interest ... the
package is going to disappear unless someone takes it over and
reintroduces it into unstable.
---

And also:

---
# [2007-06-13] gtksee REMOVED from testing (Britney)
# [2007-06-12] Removed 0.5.6-2 from unstable (Joerg Jaspert)
---

Then I searched on google for gtksee, but I don't find its upstream
page.  Just several e-mails and discussions...  Would this mean that
its upstream developers have also quit development and maintennance of
gtksee?


Thanks,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: grub2 experience?

[Javier Vasquez]

On 8/9/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anybody install grub2?
> Did it go OK? Did you change grub.cfg?
>
> Hugo

For me it works on unstable pretty well.  I'm attaching grub.cfg plus
some other ones I modified or created that should go under
/etc/grub.d...

-- 
Javier


grub_cfgs.tar.bz2
Description: BZip2 compressed data

Re: /boot/grub missing in Debian 4.0 installation

[Javier Vasquez]

On 8/17/07, Masatran, R. Deepak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am moving my computer from Testing to Stable. I installed Stable on a new
> partition, and want to configure GRUB. But /boot/grub is missing! It was a
> routine install, except that I did not select "Desktop environment" in
> TaskSel. Why is /boot/grub missing? And how can I get it created? The
> computer is a two-year-old I386-based laptop. Some other info:
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /boot
>config-2.6.18-4-486  initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486.bak  vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486
>initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486  System.map-2.6.18-4-486
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo aptitude search grub
>p   ggz-grubby  - GGZ Gaming Zone: chat bot with the ability to 
> play games
>i   grub- GRand Unified Bootloader
>p   grub-disk   - GRUB bootable disk image
>p   grub-doc- Documentation for GRand Unified Bootloader
>p   grub-splashimages   - a collection of great GRUB splashimages
>
> --
> Masatran, R. Deepak 

Not sure if this would help (examples might change according to your
configuration):

aptitude install grub  (apt-get instead of aptitude is you don't use aptitude)
grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
update-grub

If your /boot corresponds to a different partition than /, then you might:

grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
cd /boot
ln -s . boot
grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
update-grub

You can consult:

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html#Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall

Or:

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/index.html

Also if you want grub2 instead of grub-legacy, then if grub-pc is
present, then install it and if not, then install grub2 (under
unstable it's grub-pc)...

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: /etc/grub.conf + /boot/grub/menu.lst

[Javier Vasquez]

On 9/2/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 应富鸣 wrote:
> > I saw /etc/grub.conf once (maybe under Ubuntu).  It seems that
> > /etc/grub.conf is just a link of /boot/grub/menu.lst or
> > /boot/grub/grub.conf.

I have no clue about mondo...  But the thing is that grub-legacy (I
think it is still plane grub) uses menu.lst, and grub-legacy is the
default grub used by debian...  But grub-pc (used to be grub2 some
time back, and in unstable it changed to grub-pc) uses grub.cfg
instead...  If you use grub-pc/grub2, then menu.lst is no longer
updated by "update-grub", and any time you "update-grub", what gets
updated is grub.cfg...

--
Javier.

Re: efficiency of windows managers

[Javier Vasquez]

On 9/27/07, Manu Hack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a general question which I got when trying out different
> windows managers/desktop environments.  When I try to use windowmaker
> (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it
> certainly is fast for initialization.  But after that when around
> 10-15 windows are opened and distributed in different workspaces, I
> found moving around different workspaces and windows pretty slow (I
> compared with KDE which I usually use.) and thus I still decided to
> stick with KDE for the moment.  Maybe the comparison is not fair as
> KDE definitely needs longer time to initialize.  But my question is,
> is there a reason for that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Manu

Don't know about windowMaker, but you might try:

fluxbox
icewm
pekwm
fvwm2

You might find some pretty light, and some besides offering lots of
fun and good looking features...  I use fluxbox and a machine with
512M main, and 64M ati-rage is performing pretty well...

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

aptitude upgrade through proxy

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I've used http_proxy/ftp_proxy to enable apt-get to download packages
through a proxy server whenever required.

However I've tried the same environment variables with aptitude with
no luck...  Looks like aptitude doesn't pay attention to them.  Does
any one know how to overcome this?  Also, I liked the environment
variables solution because it can be temporally enabled/disabled,
without having to edit a config file everytime one wants to change...
I've tried looking in the man page, but didn't find anything...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: aptitude upgrade through proxy

[Javier Vasquez]

On 10/25/07, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 08:51:44PM -0600, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> was heard to say:
> > I've used http_proxy/ftp_proxy to enable apt-get to download packages
> > through a proxy server whenever required.
> >
> > However I've tried the same environment variables with aptitude with
> > no luck...  Looks like aptitude doesn't pay attention to them.  Does
> > any one know how to overcome this?  Also, I liked the environment
> > variables solution because it can be temporally enabled/disabled,
> > without having to edit a config file everytime one wants to change...
> > I've tried looking in the man page, but didn't find anything...
>
>  How are you running aptitude and apt-get (command-lines)?  In particular,
> are you running aptitude as a user and then automatically su-ing to root?
> I wouldn't be 100% confident that this preserves environment variables.
>
>  Other than that, I'm not sure what could be happening: aptitude
> doesn't clear out the environment, and the code that reads http_proxy is
> used in both aptitude and apt-get.
>
>  Daniel

When I configure apt.conf.d/proxy, then things work...  I use apt-get
and aptitude with sudo as a non root user.  Might be the the
environment variables are lost with sudo?  I don't recall if when I
used apt-get with the environment variables I did it so under root and
not with sudo.  I can't tell...  I'd prefer using environment
variables, just to avoid overwriting configuration file every time...

Thanks a lot,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I have a HP-680C deskject printer that I wanted to make it work with
lprng + magicfilter + hpijs.  So far no luck.  I seems like I'm able
to use the filter:

/etc/magicfilter/dj550c-filter

But for some reason I can't get to use the:

/etc/magicfilter/hpijs-filter

I always get the message from gs indicating hpijs device not found.  I
have the package hpijs already installed, and I tried also installing
the ppd one with all the foomatic dependencies, and I got no luck.  Is
there any special trick for getting hpijs filter to work?

Is there any one else with the same printer using lprng + magic
filter?  If so, what is it they use and how to set that up?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

[Javier Vasquez]

On 11/4/07, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a HP-680C deskject printer that I wanted to make it work with
> lprng + magicfilter + hpijs.  So far no luck.  I seems like I'm able
> to use the filter:
>
> /etc/magicfilter/dj550c-filter
>
> But for some reason I can't get to use the:
>
> /etc/magicfilter/hpijs-filter
>
> I always get the message from gs indicating hpijs device not found.  I
> have the package hpijs already installed, and I tried also installing
> the ppd one with all the foomatic dependencies, and I got no luck.  Is
> there any special trick for getting hpijs filter to work?
>
> Is there any one else with the same printer using lprng + magic
> filter?  If so, what is it they use and how to set that up?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Javier


BTW:  Is there a way to set the quality on /etc/printcap directly, so
by default everything prints on economic/draft quality under such
configuration?

Thanks,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian livecd

[Javier Vasquez]

On 2/23/07, José Pablo Fernández <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is there a Debian Live CD I could use to do maintenance? I know there are
various Debian-based live cds, but I'd like one based in Sarge so I know the
version of all the tools, like fsck, mdadm, etc match those used by the
system itself.
Thank you.
--
José Pablo Fernández
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I'm not sure if there's a backport to Sarge, but under unstable
there's the following package, which provides a customized pure debian
live cd:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/live-package
http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD

--
Javier

[Debian-User] HP print cartidge utilities...

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I was wondering if there's any HP application which would allow
performing print cartridge alignment, and also pen cartridge cleaning.
 This is important because ususally when acquiring new cartridges the
alignment is not the right one, and with t time, a cleaning becomes
necessary on ink printers.  So far I need ms$ to do that, bu there may
be already applications under linux for this purpose...

If someone is aware please let me know, :)

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] HP print cartidge utilities...

[Javier Vasquez]

On Jan 27, 2008 10:48 AM, Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:32:39 -0600
> "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Javier,
>
> > I was wondering if there's any HP application which would allow
> > performing print cartridge alignment, and also pen cartridge cleaning.
>
> HPLIP, which is in the standard Debian repositories.

Only problem is that HPLIP as well as HPIJS now strongly depend on
cups under unstable (the system I use), and I don't use cups.  Seems
like I'll have to move to cups then (for some reason, cups and lprng
don't get along with each other in ustable any more), :(...

I'll look into the hplip documentation after installing (of course
after the whole cups installation as well), to see how alignment and
cleaning is done...  If it's possible with hplip, then I'll keep using
it, I was really missing cartridge application for long time, :).

Thanks a lot,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] HP print cartidge utilities...

[Javier Vasquez]

On Jan 27, 2008 11:45 AM, Brad Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:25:26 -0600
> "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> HPLIP has several tabs, one labelled Tools, where cartridge cleaning,
> alignment and colour calibration can be performed.
>
> If you have a multi-function device (print, scan and fax machine)
> they're supported by HPLIP, too.  There used to be an HPLIP mailing
> list, but they've recently moved to a web forum for support.  It has
> several HP staff there, as it's the official HP support (for Linux)
> forum.
>
> ...

OK, I installed hpijs + hplip, with the whole cups, ahavi and dbus
stuff (this is the part I didn't want), but hey, I wanted hp tools,
:).

Bad news is that hp-info, hp-setup, and hp-toolset don't want to
recognize my HP-680C printer.  So I'm like before.  Weird thing is
that through the cups web interface, I can setup the printer with no
problem under /dev/lp0.  With hp-setup I can get to manually set the
printer, but not to /dev/lp0 as with cups, but to /dev/parport0, and
at the end it indicates it didn't recognize the device.  So pretty
much this HP toolset doesn't seem to recognize my printer, :(.

Has any one experienced these problems for hp-680c?  If cups
recognized the printer smoothly, why not the HP toolset?  In the cups
web interface I didn't find any way to run the HP applications, but I
feel like asking any ways, :), is there a way to run those
applications from the cups web interface, which recognized the printer
with no problem?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Removing /lib/modules/ after linux-image removal

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I have the following /etc/kernel-img.conf:

do_symlinks = no
do_bootloader = no
do_bootfloppy = no
do_initrd = yes
postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub
postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub
#ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird

So when removing a particular kernel image, I get the grub menu update
automatically.  However I was wondering if there's already a script
that instead could have called update-grub, and after could have
removed /lib/modules/.

So far I've been removing manually the modules library, but I guess I
could create a script that does it for me and include it in the
portrm_hook field, but then I should make sure update-grub is also
called from the same script, otherwise I'd keep having non present
kernels in the grub menu.  But before doing such thing, I was
wondering this was already accomplished, so that kind of an official
approach ca be taken, :).

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Something wrong with udev / usb?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I'm using kernels 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 (debian stock), and on them I
can't get my usb external disk to work.  There's no /dev/sd* device
showing up, although I have ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd modules up, I also
installed usb_storage and usbatm modules just  in case, but nothing...

This used to work automatically with udev before (as soon as I
connected the usb device, I got /dev/sda or /dev/sa1, not sure which).
 I'm not sure with which kernel this stopped working.  The ones I have
available are just these 2 I mentioned...

Can anyone enlighten me please?

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Something wrong with udev / usb?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Feb 9, 2008 8:12 PM, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using kernels 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 (debian stock), and on them I
> can't get my usb external disk to work.  There's no /dev/sd* device
> showing up, although I have ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd modules up, I also
> installed usb_storage and usbatm modules just  in case, but nothing...
>
> This used to work automatically with udev before (as soon as I
> connected the usb device, I got /dev/sda or /dev/sa1, not sure which).
>  I'm not sure with which kernel this stopped working.  The ones I have
> available are just these 2 I mentioned...
>
> Can anyone enlighten me please?

I forgto to mention I live under unstable, :).

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Something wrong with udev / usb?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Feb 9, 2008 8:31 PM, Alan Ianson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat February 9 2008 06:12:18 pm Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm using kernels 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 (debian stock), and on them I
> > can't get my usb external disk to work.  There's no /dev/sd* device
> > showing up, although I have ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd modules up, I also
> > installed usb_storage and usbatm modules just  in case, but nothing...
>
> I've noticed this too with testing when I plug a usb drive into the front
> plugs on my box. I added the device to /etc/fstab and after that it works as
> expected. I'm not sure why that is. Only one of my drives does this and I
> don't use it often so I haven't looked any further.
>
>
> > This used to work automatically with udev before (as soon as I
> > connected the usb device, I got /dev/sda or /dev/sa1, not sure which).
> >  I'm not sure with which kernel this stopped working.  The ones I have
> > available are just these 2 I mentioned...
> >
> > Can anyone enlighten me please?

Hmm, I do have entry points on my /etc/fstab for the usb device, but
of course they depend on the devices been mapped to /dev/sd*.  The
problem is that there's no /dev/sd* at all, so the mount entries I
have under /etc/fstab are useless (of course if they are tried, the
error about the "/dev/sd*" not present will immediately show up,
that's how I found this)...  The problem is not a renaming one either,
since there's no device to pick...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Something wrong with udev / usb?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Feb 9, 2008 9:30 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
> On 02/09/08 20:12, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm using kernels 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 (debian stock), and on them I
> > can't get my usb external disk to work.  There's no /dev/sd* device
> > showing up, although I have ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd modules up, I also
> > installed usb_storage and usbatm modules just  in case, but nothing...
> >
> > This used to work automatically with udev before (as soon as I
> > connected the usb device, I got /dev/sda or /dev/sa1, not sure which).
> >  I'm not sure with which kernel this stopped working.  The ones I have
> > available are just these 2 I mentioned...
> >
> > Can anyone enlighten me please?
>
> What DE are you running?  What does "#tail -f /var/log/syslog" look
> like when you insert the USB cable (and, obviously, the external
> drive is powered up).
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA  USA


Did it twice, and I got:

Feb  9 21:43:14 jevv kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using
ehci_hcd and address 8
Feb  9 21:44:23 jevv kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using
ehci_hcd and address 10

Sorry I didn't get what DE means, :(...  I mentioned in another e-mail
I'm running under unstable, is that what you asked?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Something wrong with udev / usb?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Feb 10, 2008 1:23 AM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 02/09/08 21:47, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 2008 9:30 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >>
> >> On 02/09/08 20:12, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I'm using kernels 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 (debian stock), and on them I
> >>> can't get my usb external disk to work.  There's no /dev/sd* device
> >>> showing up, although I have ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd modules up, I also
> >>> installed usb_storage and usbatm modules just  in case, but nothing...
> >>>
> >>> This used to work automatically with udev before (as soon as I
> >>> connected the usb device, I got /dev/sda or /dev/sa1, not sure which).
> >>>  I'm not sure with which kernel this stopped working.  The ones I have
> >>> available are just these 2 I mentioned...
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone enlighten me please?
> >> What DE are you running?  What does "#tail -f /var/log/syslog" look
> >> like when you insert the USB cable (and, obviously, the external
> >> drive is powered up).
> >>
>
> >
> >
> > Did it twice, and I got:
> >
> > Feb  9 21:43:14 jevv kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using
> > ehci_hcd and address 8
> > Feb  9 21:44:23 jevv kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using
> > ehci_hcd and address 10
> >
> > Sorry I didn't get what DE means, :(...  I mentioned in another e-mail
> > I'm running under unstable, is that what you asked?
>
> Desktop Environment.  GNOME, KDE, XFce, etc.

None.  I use plane console, or X+fluxbox, nothing more, :).

> Are hald & udevd running?  If you run GNOME, are gnome-mount &
> gnome-volume-manager installed?

Just udev, nothing more.  I was thinking on adding usbmount, although
if udev is in charge of the getting the devices, I really didn't see
the need for usbmount (I mount the device manually after connected,
and after seeing the dev's mapped if under the console).  I might
consider using usbmount later, :).

> Attached is what my logs generate when I install a thumb drive.

Thanks a lot.  As I mentioned in previous mail, things seem to work
now.  Although I nedd to keep trying in case the ghosts are still
around, :)...

> --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
...

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Something wrong with udev / usb?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Feb 10, 2008 12:35 AM, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 08:12:18PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm using kernels 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 (debian stock), and on them I
> > can't get my usb external disk to work.  There's no /dev/sd* device
> > showing up, although I have ehci-hcd and uhci-hcd modules up, I also
> > installed usb_storage and usbatm modules just  in case, but nothing...
> >
> > This used to work automatically with udev before (as soon as I
> > connected the usb device, I got /dev/sda or /dev/sa1, not sure which).
> >  I'm not sure with which kernel this stopped working.  The ones I have
> > available are just these 2 I mentioned...
>
> Do you see the device in lsusb ? If not, don't blame udev . Do you see
> its partitions in /proc/partitions ?
>
> You also mentioned a frontconnector. At least in some systems that
> connector is bad. In some systems it is unmasked, and therefore has
> lower speed. In a few other systems (like some VIA systems we have at
> work) it it a reboot swtich - you plug anything to the USB, and the
> system reboots.
>
> --
> Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is

Actually yes, under lsusb I see:

# lsusb
usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 24
Bus 003 Device 001: ID :
Bus 002 Device 001: ID :
Bus 001 Device 001: ID :

But under /proc/partitions I didn't see any sd* partitions, just the hd* ones...

See that the manufacturer was not properly recognized though...

BTW, I was not using front connector, I'm sorry if I gave you that
impression.  I use a dell 600M inspiron laptop which comes with 2 back
connectors only...

Good news, is that without doing anything (not even rebooting), now I
tried again and I see /dev/sda and /dev/sda1, and I can mount them as
usual...  I can't say what happened then, which I don't really like
it...  When things work, this is lsusb:

# lsusb
Bus 004 Device 022: ID 1058:0403 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.
Bus 004 Device 001: ID :
Bus 003 Device 001: ID :
Bus 002 Device 001: ID :
Bus 001 Device 001: ID :

Seems that I need to be trying the external usb disk more often these
days to see if this weird behavior happens again...

Any ways, the ghosts seem to be gone at least for now, :).

Thanks a lot,

Javier.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How do I upgrade to sid?

[Javier Vasquez]

On 2/10/08, Dennis G. Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no
> problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading
> might be the answer to my problems.

I'm not aware of your problems, but I'm not sure if you left them
unresolved on testing or stable, you'll get them resolved in
unstable...

> How do I do it? Is it as easy as

1st you must edit your apt sources, so that you remove any reference
to etch, and include references for sid or unstable.  As sid is pretty
dynamic by nature, using unstable instead of sid doesn't make a
difference when the distribution changes from one version to the
other, so I've always used unstable...

Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading:
 --  aptitude clean
 --  aptitude update
 --  aptitude safe-upgrade
 --  aptitude full-upgrade

You can replace the "aptitude" command by corresponding "apt-get"
ones.  You better have a satisfactory result from each step before
moving to the next.

However, do this only if you're able to spent considerable amount of
time in case of substantial changes in configurations, dependencies,
and other stuff.  As I said, just plain change of version might NOT
solve your problems at all, but I'm not able to judge that...

>aptitude dist-upgrade ??

I thought dist-upgrade was depredicated from aptitude, but it should
be equivalente to full-upgrade.  See above...

> What do I have to change to get to sid instead of etch?
>
> TIA for any help!
> Dennis


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Multiple Java installed, how to switch?

[Javier Vasquez]

On 2/10/08, Magnus Therning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do I make sure that all the java-related links in /etc/alternatives
> are sane?
>
> I installed icedtea, then purged it and installed sun-java5 and
> sun-java6.  Some links in /etc/alternatives are still pointing to the
> (now non-existing) tools that came with icedtea.  How do I easily switch
> them to all point to the tools of a specific java package?
>
> /M
>
> --
> Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4)

Doesn't "dpkg --purge " + "dpkg-reconfigure
" take care of the links?

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How do I upgrade to sid?

[Javier Vasquez]

On 2/10/08, Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Javier Vasquez schrieb:
>
> > Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading:
> >  --  aptitude clean
> >  --  aptitude update
> >  --  aptitude safe-upgrade
> >  --  aptitude full-upgrade
>
> If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I
> _would_ answer "Y" in the end. Just my 2 cents ...
>
> bis dahin
>
> Martin Mewes


Well, aptitude is pretty good at managing upgrades.  But I agree, most
of the software will be replaced by saying yes to the 1st
"safe-upgrade", however my experience is that if one is used to deal
with dependency problems and the like, that should not be a reason to
be scared.  When "safe-upgrade" finds dependencies problems it won't
upgrade, and
it'll leave the upgrade to "full-upgrade".

I suggest as well, having several iterations of "safe-upgrade" if
you're using an old aptitude, before the "full-upgrade" until there's
nothing else the "safe-upgrade" can deal with...  I haven't found the
iterations necessary anymore, but I use the latest version under
unstable, :).

It might be useful to also remove (purge if necessary) big packages
which dependencies are hard to deal with, and of course, it's better
if everything is done under console (no X)...

Beyond that, and some research, only experience will tell...

My last suggestion (which I did NOT follow due to lack of time and
disk space), make a separate partition, and try a n-boot (I can't say
for sure dual for sure) system.  Start the trial one with stable, then
move to testing, and finally move to unstable with light environment
(include X though, since along the way there are pertinent changes to
be considered).  At the end if everything goes OK, then whether remove
the original partition after moving the date to the unstable one, or
upgrade the original one with a bit more of experience, :).  I said
partition, but it might actually be a logical volume if you'd like...

Again, before such a move, I'd look at what seems to be wrong in the
current version, to see if it's due to just a particular package
version.  If so, I'd rather use backPorts, or install from upstream
the source and compile it myself, well that if I'm confortable with
the current version I work under, and the movement souds too risky.
There are always different alternatives to solve a single problem, :).


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Matlab on Debian

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Peter Robinson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Yang wrote:
>  > Hi all:
>  >
>  > I want to install the matlab package on debian, do you know any
>  > repositories I can use?
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  > M.
>  matlab is a commercial product. For many uses, octave should be just as
>  good and is available in debian (the syntax of octave is about 98%
>  identical with that of matlab, so take a look at the docs).
>  -Peter

You can also try scilab, which is under non-free.  Pretty similar
scripting methodology.

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] OT: Does grub-install overwrite the MBR?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I'm wondering whether grub-install actually overwrites the MBR or not.
 If not then that's what I'm looking for, :).  If so, how can it be
performed without touching the MBR?  Is there a difference between
grub2 and grub-legacy in this regard?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Iceape installing xpi extensions

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I want to install the lightning extension under iceape, I downloaded
it, but I don't see the Tolls->AddOns option to install extensions...
I searched under google for "iceape + extensions howto", and found
nothing...

Any hints?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Iceape installing xpi extensions

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to install the lightning extension under iceape, I downloaded
>
>
> I think it is for icedove, not iceape. Also, it is named:
> ii  iceowl-extension  0.7-2  Calendar Extension for Thunderbird/Icedove
>
> Regards.

...

Only thing I like iceape ore than iceweasel+icedove+...   :(.  So
there's no support for iceape then, :(...

Thanks,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Gtk fonts on non desktop (non gnome) X environment.

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I use fluxbox, with no desktop (no kde, no gnome no xfce, ...).  But I
have the problem of not being able to configure the fonts for the gtk
guis...  For example I can't make the tab menus, readable for me on
icedove, iceweasel, iceape, etc...  I had the same problem for
icedove, but there was a kind plugin to modify its gtk fonts, although
I haven't found the same thing for other applications.  I guess the
same apply for qt applications ( I haven't installed skype yet, but I
guess I'll have the same problem).

Is there a configuration file I can create by hand under
~/. which would help me accomplish getting the fonts I'd
like to see?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Gtk fonts on non desktop (non gnome) X environment.

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez:
>>
>> Is there a configuration file I can create by hand under
>> ~/. which would help me accomplish getting the fonts I'd
>> like to see?
>
> IIRC ~/.gtkrc-2.0. I don't have an example at hand but you will find
> examples when googling for that filename.
>
> J.

OK, your comment was right except that it didn't fix iceape guys
neither iceweasel/icedove...  For those:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pane_and_menu_fonts
http://linux.derkeiler.com/pdf/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-12/msg00957.pdf

are the solution.  For pidgin there's a useful plugin to install:

pidgin-extprefs

which allows gtk configurations...  Now just editing ~/.gtkrc-2.0 was
not enough for gtk applications such as gftp, installing:

gtk-theme-switch

was necessary...  I'm wondering if something similar needs to be done
for QT applications such as skype...  I'll probably start a new thread
if so, :)...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Gtk fonts on non desktop (non gnome) X environment.

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Andrei Popescu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu,17.Jul.08, 09:19:06, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I use fluxbox, with no desktop (no kde, no gnome no xfce, ...).  But I
>> have the problem of not being able to configure the fonts for the gtk
>> guis...  For example I can't make the tab menus, readable for me on
>> icedove, iceweasel, iceape, etc...  I had the same problem for
>> icedove, but there was a kind plugin to modify its gtk fonts, although
>> I haven't found the same thing for other applications.  I guess the
>> same apply for qt applications ( I haven't installed skype yet, but I
>> guess I'll have the same problem).
>>
>> Is there a configuration file I can create by hand under
>> ~/. which would help me accomplish getting the fonts I'd
>> like to see?
>
> Not exactly what you want to know, but before setting the fonts you
> should make sure your dpi is correct.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei

Absolutely right.  With setting dpi, I don't have to change the gtk
fonts, and most probably the kde ones either...  Here it's what I
changed:

% head -1 .Xresources
Xft.dpi :   170


Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 2.6.26 + vga=791

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:32 AM, David Witbrodt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I reported here on 5/18/2008 that I couldn't use vga=791 with the Debian
>> 2.6.25 kernel, but *could* with the 2.6.25 from kernel.org.
>>
>> Same issue with 2.6.26: vga=791 gets "undefined video mode". Yet it
>> works fine with 2.6.26 from kernel.org, so it is clearly a Debian issue.
>>
>> In the 2 months that have expired noone has been able to shed light on
>> this Bug#481063.
>>
>> Too bad. For me 2.6.26-1-686 is unusable.
>
>  What response did you get from the Debian Kernel Team
>  ?  I see that only one member of
> the team responded to your bug report, so maybe another member or
> some other knowledgeable subscriber to that list could be of help.
>
>  What do you get from running 'hwinfo --framebuffer' ?  The hex
> equivalent of decimal 791 is 0x317 -- did you try that as well?
>
>
> Dave Witbrodt


Actually I got the same error with the indication of a bad mode.  so I
paid attention to the mode tried, and it was the decimal conversion of
the hex I wanted...  To correct things all I needed to do was to write
the mode in hex mode, for example 0x317.  That worked out for me...

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-Usser] linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 not supporting vmware-player kernel modules?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi all,

I'm running unstable, and on the previous linux image version for
amd64 (2.6.25-2-amd64) I didn't have any trouble compiling the vmware
kernel modules coming with the latest vmware-player tarrball
(VMware-player-2.0.4-93057.x86_64.tar.gz).

However when compiling the modules for the same vmware-player version
but on latest linux image (2.6.26-1-amd64) I got a lot of errors.  I'm
attaching the log of "make-vmpkg -b  -k -s
VMware-player-2.0.4-93057.x86_64.tar.gz"

Has any one noticed this already?  Is there any work around?  I still
have 2.6.25-2-amd64 so I can stay with 2.6.25, but I wanted to know if
there's some one else trying the same...

Thx,

-- 
Javier


make-vmpkg-2.6.26-1-amd64.log
Description: Binary data

[Debian-User] Debian + non ose virtualBox

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi all,

I installed the non ose virtualBox, and I got a XP image running under
it with bridged ethernet.  However I haven't been able to get USB
working on the guest, neither shared folders...

I've searched with google, and found several suggestions (often about
the permissions of the usbfs devices), and I tried almost everything
unsuccessfully (most suggestions for ubuntu btw), + I also read the
user Manual.  Is there a debian guide to get USB and share directory
working...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Debian + non ose virtualBox

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Nyizsnyik Ferenc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:06:20 -0600
> "Javier Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I installed the non ose virtualBox, and I got a XP image running under
>> it with bridged ethernet.  However I haven't been able to get USB
>> working on the guest, neither shared folders...
>>
>> I've searched with google, and found several suggestions (often about
>> the permissions of the usbfs devices), and I tried almost everything
>> unsuccessfully (most suggestions for ubuntu btw), + I also read the
>> user Manual.  Is there a debian guide to get USB and share directory
>> working...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
> Have you installed Virtualbox Guest Additions in the guest OS (win xp)?
>
> --
> Nyizsa.


Yes I did.  I can see in the devices tab of virtualbox the usb
devices, but they're always grayed...  I also included filters
(automatically picked BTW by virtualbox), but that doesn't help a
thing.  And for the shared folders, I see in the shared folders tab as
well the directory, but when I go in the guest to the network places,
and go into VirtualBox shared folders, there's nothing...  I'm not
sure if there's something that needs explicetely to be done, but if
there is, I just can't find it, :(...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Debian + non ose virtualBox

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:48 AM, Philipp Hübner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hey,
>
> Javier Vasquez schrieb:
>> Yes I did.  I can see in the devices tab of virtualbox the usb
>> devices, but they're always grayed...  I also included filters
>> (automatically picked BTW by virtualbox), but that doesn't help a
>> thing.
>
>
> I think the problem are the rights within /proc/bus/usb/ or similar.
> When I wanted to use USB in the guest, I had to 'chown -R a+rw/ the
> folder to get it working.
> There might be a better way to get this done, because I think this might
> be a security risk, but at least it worked for me.
>
> Regards,
> Philipp

This did the trick for USB devices...  But I don't know why modifying
/etc/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules so that the devices are loaded
as:

# usbfs-like devices
SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device",MODE="0664", GROUP="usbusers"
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", \
MODE="0664", GROUP="usbusers"

Where the user starting virtualBox is included in usbusers, didn't
work.  I made variants, like using vboxusers, and changing 664 to 666,
and nothing worked...  Like this rule never took place, :(...

At least now there's a way to make USB devices available under the
guest, :(.  Bad thing is that virtualBox need to be launched after the
permissions are OK, otherwise it won't ever recognize the device,
meaning, dynamic plugging the USB devices is NOT supported...

Finally, I'm still missing folders sharing.  This one id kind of
weird, since it's supposed I should get it easy with the guest
additions software...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] OT: Linux + wireless-N nic

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I'm thinking in the possibility of setting a wireless-N home network,
however I don't know if there's kernel (native) linux support for pci,
pcmcia and usb nic's...  If so could you please mention some of those
supported nic's?  It might be they're ndiswrapper supported, but I'm
looking for native support instead...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I have an old laptop with a 10G HD.  I have it partitioned into a swap
partition hda5, an ext3 boot partition hda6, and an ext3 root
partition hda7 (all logical).  I acquired an 80G HD, and through an
USB interface I have it partitioned the same way, only with bigger
root partition, :).

I did a copy of the contents of each partitions, except by /proc under
root, into the new created ones, but I used "cp -a" instead of "dd".
This might have prevented copying the boot sector, necessary for the
boot sector probably...

Do you suggest using "dd" instead?  Would it work even if the destine
partition is bigger (I read somewhere it works perfectly when source
and destine are the same size, but I never read it works perfectly
when destine is bigger)...

What about the HD MBR?  I've tried already using "dd if=/dev/hda
of=~/full_mbr.bin bs=512 count=1 && dd if=~/full_mbr.bin of=/dev/sda
bs=446 count=1", but it didn't seem to work...  I wouldn't know if
using count=2 to include the boot sector would work since the boot
partition is the 2nd one (the swap is the 1st one)...

Any ways, I'm still on trials, but I haven't gotten grub to work yet.
I tried also "grub-install" on sda, but that doesn't seem to work, it
only does with chroot to the mounted root of sda and with a bind to
the mounted boot of sda, however partially since it doesn't get to
read stage2.  Running manually grub over the chroot seems to overcome
the stage2 thing, but I still don't get grub to work after booting.

The thing is that as this is a laptop, and changing the HD on the only
IDE slot is getting less fun each time, I was thinking what would be a
good recipy to follow.  Maybe using dd for each partition, or for the
whole HD would work, although I find it hard to believe it would (the
partition tables at least should be different, since the difference in
sizes), but I just might be too skeptical, and using dd for the whole
HD is what works out of the box after partitioning the HD, :).

Please suggest, recommend, etc, :).

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez:
>>
>> Do you suggest using "dd" instead?  Would it work even if the destine
>> partition is bigger (I read somewhere it works perfectly when source
>> and destine are the same size, but I never read it works perfectly
>> when destine is bigger)...
>
> Yes, it works. You have to resize your filesystems afterwards, but
> that's not a biggie.
>
>> What about the HD MBR?  I've tried already using "dd if=/dev/hda
>> of=~/full_mbr.bin bs=512 count=1 && dd if=~/full_mbr.bin of=/dev/sda
>> bs=446 count=1", but it didn't seem to work...
>
> Why do you only copy 446 Bytes back?

That's what I read is necessary, since the last 64+2 bytes of the 1st
512  bytes correspond to the partition table, which shouldn't be
copied over I believe.  An example of such warning can be found:

http://www.sysdesign.ca/guides/partitions.html
http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/24885-how-copy-mbr-old-harddrive-new-harddrive.html

Well, I'm not sure anymore then...

>
>> I wouldn't know if
>> using count=2 to include the boot sector would work since the boot
>> partition is the 2nd one (the swap is the 1st one)...
>
> It doesn't matter where your boot partition is. You only need the MBR
> (the first 512 Bytes, AFAIK, which you already copied.)

Sure the whole 512 1st bytes are required?  I think they include the
partition table, which is what I tried to avoid, but I might be wrong,
:).

>> The thing is that as this is a laptop, and changing the HD on the only
>> IDE slot is getting less fun each time, I was thinking what would be a
>> good recipy to follow.  Maybe using dd for each partition, or for the
>> whole HD would work, although I find it hard to believe it would (the
>> partition tables at least should be different, since the difference in
>> sizes), but I just might be too skeptical, and using dd for the whole
>> HD is what works out of the box after partitioning the HD, :).
>
> No, you're right about your skepticism. dd'ing the whole disc will also
> copy the partition table which you probably don't want.
>
> You only need to:
>
> - Partition the new disk to your liking.
>
> - dd filesystems from old partitions to the new ones. Make sure to use a
>  big number for the block size like bs=1M or more. That will speed up
>  the process. While dd is working, you can send the dd process a USR1
>  signal (like 'kill -USR1 $pid') to make it print a report about its
>  current progress.
>
> - Copy the MBR using 'dd if=/dev/in of=/dev/out bs=512 count=1'.
>
> - Use resize2fs or whatever suits your filesystems to grow them up to
>  the capacity of their partition.
>
> - Swap disks and reboot.
>
> At least, that's how it should work in theory. :)
>
> J.


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 01:47:03 pm Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> I did a copy of the contents of each partitions, except by /proc under
>> root, into the new created ones, but I used "cp -a" instead of "dd".
>> This might have prevented copying the boot sector, necessary for the
>> boot sector probably...
>>
>> Do you suggest using "dd" instead?  Would it work even if the destine
>> partition is bigger (I read somewhere it works perfectly when source
>> and destine are the same size, but I never read it works perfectly
>> when destine is bigger)...
>
> You did it the right way the first time.  dd only works with same-size block
> devices anyway.
>
>> What about the HD MBR?  I've tried already using "dd if=/dev/hda
>> of=~/full_mbr.bin bs=512 count=1 && dd if=~/full_mbr.bin of=/dev/sda
>> bs=446 count=1", but it didn't seem to work...  I wouldn't know if
>> using count=2 to include the boot sector would work since the boot
>> partition is the 2nd one (the swap is the 1st one)...
>
> Don't try to copy it, reinstall it.  Less messy, less prone to failure.

You mean grub-install it?  I couldn't...  For some reason grub doesn't
even find the stage1 file after running something similar to
"grub-install --root-directory /mnt/sda-boot /dev/sda".  So I tried
chroot to /mnt/sda-root (I also made the bind between /mnt/sda-boot
and /mnt-sda-root/boot) and run "grub-install --root-directory /boot
/dev/sda" and it worked better but now the stage2 file is not found by
grub...  So yet under chroot, I did a search for /boot/grub/stage2,
and it was found under (hd0,4) or (hd0,5), so then I did "root
(hd0,4)", and then setup (hd0), and it said it finished successfully,
but that was all a lie, since I rebooted and I had the same thing as
when copying the MBR, a whole lot of "grub" words filling up the
screen.  So I have tried everything that had occurred to me and that
have read on the web, and at least just by "grub-install", or plane
grub, I don't seem to find a solution.

I you meant even more time consuming installing the distribution
again, just basic stuff to then override everything with the other
disk, except by the MBR and probably the /bott/grub directory, then I
don't feel pretty much up to it.  I'd like to go other paths 1st, :).


>> Any ways, I'm still on trials, but I haven't gotten grub to work yet.
>> I tried also "grub-install" on sda, but that doesn't seem to work, it
>> only does with chroot to the mounted root of sda and with a bind to
>> the mounted boot of sda, however partially since it doesn't get to
>> read stage2.  Running manually grub over the chroot seems to overcome
>> the stage2 thing, but I still don't get grub to work after booting.
>
> You're on the right track, I remember getting it to work from approximately
> that point, I just can't remember what I had to change to get it to work from
> there.
>
> --
> Paul Johnson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've heard something interesting, although as the destine HD is
bigger, I don't know if something might get wrong at the end any ways,
:)...  Blank the bigger new disk, copy bit to bit the smaller old HD
(whole) into the newer bigger one (not sure if the copied partition
table would still work, but if all it does is leave free space after
the last partition, then that sounds OK, but I think that's not the
whole story since the cylinders shouldn't be the same, or at least at
thought so).  Then if things worked, it would be a matter of resizing
the last partition, which is the root one, :)...  Not sure if that'd
work though...

Before trying this last thing I heard, I'd like to try then copying th
whole 512 1st bytes of the old HD, just in case that'd work (I
understand that'll inlcude the partition table though).  Any ways,
just thinking about what to try next when I'm back home, :)...


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez:
>> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Jochen Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do you only copy 446 Bytes back?
>>
>> That's what I read is necessary, since the last 64+2 bytes of the 1st
>> 512  bytes correspond to the partition table, which shouldn't be
>> copied over I believe.  An example of such warning can be found:
>>
>> http://www.sysdesign.ca/guides/partitions.html
>> http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/24885-how-copy-mbr-old-harddrive-new-harddrive.html
>>
>> Well, I'm not sure anymore then...
>
> Me neither. :) Without looking into the articles, I trust them more to
> be correct about this than I trust myself on this matter. However, it
> should still be an option to copy the MBR first and partition the drive
> afterwards. But of course that leaves the question why it didn't work on
> your first try.
>
> Did you edit grub's menu list to reflect your partition changes?

No need.  The structure of the new HD is the same as the structure of
the old one (sda5 for swap, sda6 for boot and sda7 for root).  I
didn't want to change this structure to make things easier, :)...  And
once the HD's are swapped, then sda5 becomes hda5, and so on...

> J.


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cloning hda to new internal disk (was Re: [debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?)

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
>
> Gmail *sucks*, because it screws up reply nesting.  I have to
> manually fix it so that people (including me) how use sane MUAs can
> read it properly.
>
> On 05/20/08 21:50, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> On 05/20/08 15:55, Lee Glidewell wrote:
 Have a look at partimage. Specifically you might be interested in the
 CloneZilla live distro. It's built specifically for the purpose of
 porting installations between hard disks.
>>
>>> In a similar vein to OP's question, I am going to buy a new boot
>>> disk, because my hda is old enough -- and drives are cheap enough --
>>> that I'd rather replace it before it fails.
>>>
>>> So I checked out CloneZilla, but it seems to be aimed at
>>> institutional use.  Even partimage seems to need an intermediary step.
>>
>>> Is there any way to directly clone /dev/hda to /dev/sdX, so that I
>>> can then boot off of /dev/sdX?
>>
>> If you can boot some live system, you can just partition your new disk,
>> mount them all, copy all your files over, fix /etc/fstab and
>
> I've tried doing what you suggest, but cp leaves absolute symlinks
> still pointing to the original files on the source device.

If you use "cp -a" you overcome this problem...  See:

http://tronprog.blogspot.com/2007/05/clone-partition-with-cp.html

Only problem is /proc, which can't be copied, the directory needs just
to be created and left alone...  My only problem with this approach is
that I couldn't make grub to boot.  I tried both grub-install
approaches, 1st using /dev/sda as the device) and
--root-directory=/mnt/sda6, and then using the chroot after doing all
necessary bindings...  None of them worked for me...  There's one left
which is unmounting hda6 (my old HD boot partition) from /boot and
mounting sda6 (my new HD boot partition) on it, using still /dev/sda,
to see if that works, this is the only one thing I haven't tried with
the "cp -a" approach...

>> /boot/grub/menu.lst, mount the new boot partition at /boot and run
>> grub-install /dev/sda. With this approach, you are free to change your
>> partitioning scheme.
>>
>> Alternatively, if your new partitions have the same layout but larger,
>> then you can use dd to clone each partition individualy, do a resize2fs
>> on each of them, then fix fstab and menu.lst before running a grub-install.
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA  USA

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?

[Javier Vasquez]

Thanks to all replies...

I got the cloning working.  The recipe that finally worked was pretty
similar to the "dd" provided but with some differences, because I
couldn't get the MBR correctly working with other recipes, :(

Suppositions:

1.-  New HD is bigger than old one, so that the free space left is
enough to contain the partition you'd like to get bigger.
2.-  The partition to get bigger is the higher one (most to the right).
3.-  There's a gParted live CD available or something that would allow
resizing root partition (of course it can't be mounted then).

Recipe:

1.-  Clone entire HD from old HD into new one (dd if=/dev/hda
of=/dev/sda).  This will end up generating the exact old HD structure,
but for some reason the higher partition (most to the right) can't get
resized to a bigger one (as if it was of a fixed size), although
cfdisk shows the free space that could be used.

2.-  Halt and swap HD's.  This will work out of the box, :)...

3.-  Generate a higher partition, at the right of the currently higher
one.  Hopefully it'll end up being bigger or at least the same size as
the one intended to be expanded.  Generate its FS (mke2fs -j -L "..."
/dev/hda8)

4.-  Clone the partition originally intended to be bigger into the new
generated one (dd if=/dev/hda7 of=/dev/hda8).  This will still show up
weird things, like even though cfdisk will show some size for the new
partition (in my case way bigger than originally intended partition to
be expanded), "df -h" will say that the FS is exactly the same size as
the originally copied.  But that'll get overcome, :).

5.-  Remove original partition just copied, which wasn't allowed to be extended.

6.-  Reboot.  At this point there's no problem with grub menu because
hd8 became hda7 by removing the original partition, :).  This is just
to check everything went OK, and system could be rebooted, etc.

7.-  Resize new generated partition.  As this for me it was the root
partition, I had to do it with a live CD, the gParted one.  When using
gParted, the weird thing about cloning the partition with dd still
showed up.  I saw a big partition, but mostly the size of the copied
one showed up as used, which I knew was wrong...  Any ways, expand the
partition to the left (I didn't leave any free space to the right, so
there was no room for expanding in that direction), meaning expanding
from the header of the partition.  At the end the partition is showed
bigger, and with the right amount of data (which is less than the size
of the copied partition even though at the beginning the used data was
showed to be that big).

8.-  Reboot the system, check with cfdisk, and "df -h /" for example, etc...

I'm not sure why some things that were supposed to work as I was doing
things before (like trying to clone the MBR without the partition
table, etc) didn't work, but this just worked out...

Thanks again for the help,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Has anyone used crosshurd to install debian/gnu Linux?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I'm thinking on performing a fresh install on a 2nd partition.  I was
thinking on using crosshurd (I've used it to install hurd, but never
linux), since according to its sid package web page [1], it looks like
crosshurd can do it:

-
Install a Debian system

crosshurd uses apt and a bit of black magic to setup a functional
Debian system. It supports the following target systems:

 - linux-gnu (GNU/Linux)
 - gnu (GNU/Hurd)
 - kfreebsd-gnu (GNU/kFreeBSD)
 - knetbsd-gnu (GNU/kNetBSD)
-

If crosshurd can be used to install linux-gnu, is there a howto
around?  As I said, I've used it to install hurd before, but
afterwords a ./native-install was required...  Not sure if the linux
cross-install would require any special script running after booting
or something...  Neither I'm about crosshurd being able to install
linx, :)...  Just wanted to know, since I think crosshurd is pretty
simple and easy to use, :)...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier

[1] http://packages.debian.org/sid/crosshurd


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Has anyone used crosshurd to install debian/gnu Linux?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:08:44PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> I'm thinking on performing a fresh install on a 2nd partition.  I was
>> thinking on using crosshurd (I've used it to install hurd, but never
>> linux), since according to its sid package web page [1], it looks like
>> crosshurd can do it:
>>
>
> Lets look at the why.  Why do you want to do it?  Debian has debootstrap
> to install to a partition from an existing unix system (IIRC, it only
> uses wget and sh).  What will crosshurd give you that either debootstrap
> or just the netinst.iso won't?
>
> Doug.

I've never used debootstrap.  I have used crosshurd.  Besides
crosshurd is pretty simple, one just needs to specify the repositories
from where to get the packages, which can be under "unstable" which is
what I want as well (this doesn't mean with debootstrap I can't
achieve the same thing), and then run crosshurd.  It's that simple...

So basically because I've used crosshurd before, and I got used to it.
 But if there's no experience with crosshurd, then I'd better go with
something others have tried and works...  I'll search the web for
debootstrap to see how it works...

thanks,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Has anyone used crosshurd to install debian/gnu Linux?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:08:44PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>>> I'm thinking on performing a fresh install on a 2nd partition.  I was
>>> thinking on using crosshurd (I've used it to install hurd, but never
>>> linux), since according to its sid package web page [1], it looks like
>>> crosshurd can do it:
>>>
>>
>> Lets look at the why.  Why do you want to do it?  Debian has debootstrap
>> to install to a partition from an existing unix system (IIRC, it only
>> uses wget and sh).  What will crosshurd give you that either debootstrap
>> or just the netinst.iso won't?
>>
>> Doug.
>
> I've never used debootstrap.  I have used crosshurd.  Besides
> crosshurd is pretty simple, one just needs to specify the repositories
> from where to get the packages, which can be under "unstable" which is
> what I want as well (this doesn't mean with debootstrap I can't
> achieve the same thing), and then run crosshurd.  It's that simple...
>
> So basically because I've used crosshurd before, and I got used to it.
>  But if there's no experience with crosshurd, then I'd better go with
> something others have tried and works...  I'll search the web for
> debootstrap to see how it works...
>

It looks simple as well...  I took a look at:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426

Hopefully it's that simple, :)...  I hope I can call for "unstable" or
"sid", :)...

Thanks,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Any good and high quality music player?

[Javier Vasquez]

On 4/12/07, Sun. Botu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,every body
My laptop's soundcard is AC 97 and when I play music in Ubuntu or Debian,the
quality is to bad.
Any software or driver can solve?


Are you using the laptop speakers?  If not then forget about what I'm
writing, :)...  I never heard of a laptop speakers with good quality
sound.  Any ways, if you have the right card selected through
alsaconf, and if you have alsamixer available, find out with it if
you're using 3D or any other effects active (non plane stereo), and
disable them (mute them).  I noticed on a Dell 600M that when leaving
plane stereo, without weird effects, then the laptop speakers sound
gets better.  Of course not better than using external speakers, :).

As for a good players:

moc
mcdp

I used to play with xmms, but these 2 ncurses guys are really nice, at
least for me.

Have fun,


--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/3/07, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Joe writes:
> Sure, you can compile things yourself, but then you have to do all the
> dependency checking yourself

Download the Debian source package.  Run 'apt-get build-dep ' to
install the build dependencies.  Edit the source to taste.  Edit
debian/changelog and up the version number.  Run 'dpkg-buildpackage
-rfakeroot -us -uc' to rebuild the package.  Install your optimized package
and be happy.
--
John Hasler


This is useful if you're planning to have just a few packages compiled
by yourself.  If you plan to have most of the applications with custom
configuration/compilation, then a binary distribution might not be the
right thing, and maybe a source based distribution might be of a
better taste (eg:  gentoo or sourceMage).

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

[Javier Vasquez]

For every report of "Woot! Compiling from source kicks butt. Why didn't
I do this earlier", I can find 1 that disagrees with you and 1 that says
"maybe it is worth it for max performance, but WOW, 196 hours to get a
workable complete system, I'm not so sure"

...

The reason I say this, is even if you get 1%-5% improvement in
performance, are you really going to see (really and truly "feel") it?
The answer is: no.

...

Biggest contenders for optimisation are the kernel and libc. Most
applications are mainly a series of calls to these two so won't directly
benefit from by being compiled with *magical* flags.
Debian supply both optimised kernels and to a lesser degree optimised
libc packages. Use of SIMD extensions etc is something totally
different, and compiler flags aren't going to do all that much there
really...


Think of all the dolphins that will die because of the electricity
wasted pointlessly compiling packages. ^^



Well, I have no experience whatsoever with gentoo, but I have
experimented with sourceMage.  And I have most things compiled for the
systems I need, and it doesn't' take that much time as I've heard
about gentoo (no discussion it requires quiet more time to build a
system than to install it).  The most time I've spent is to learn
about the new packaging system for the sources (taking care of
dependencies, automatic download, testing/stable, etc, not that much
though), and also about what is really required and what is not for a
package (this requires the most time for me, since I'm used to just
"aptitude install" what I need).

BTW, the kernel is a good example not for optimization flags, neither
dependencies, but for configuration.  The stuck kernel supplied by
debian is compiled to work for most systems, and supports a lot of
hardware one might not need.  A bit of optimizations can be granted by
correctly selecting the cpu also, and by tuning the configurations as
well (example, one might want to select pentium M for cpu architecture
and the like).  Of course this doesn't require a source based distro
though, debian provides pretty good kernel
compiling/packaging/installing tools.

Also It's not only compiler optimizations what you get from source
base distros, it's dependencies control.  There are things one might
compile against, that others might think as irrelevant.  On binary
based distros one can't control how the packages are compiled, thus
one need to comply with the dependencies set by the developer.  Which
is OK for the most part, except if you want customized systems
(whether lighter or even more blotted).

It all depends on one's tastes and necessities.  I for example am
trying sourceMage in some machines, and found it amazingly easy and
fast enough for the building part, and still I have debian installed
in some others.  I have to recognize that things given by granted on
debian, need to be sometimes carefully looked on sourceMage though.

Any ways, it's true that if you're planning to try a source based
distro, you need to save time for that purpose, not just because of
compilation time though, but also for learning about some packages and
their lots of optional dependencies offered.  If you still have
doubts, you need to try, and then generate a personal criteria.

You asked for pros and cons.  I think the cons are very clear, but I
wanted to complement the pros, because IMHO it's not just the
optimizations flags what gets provided...

BTW, you might still use a binary distro, and compile some critical
things, as implicitly suggested by a previous post.  The best example
for such thing, as stated in a previous post is the kernel.  Maybe
others...
--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...
> Also It's not only compiler optimizations what you get from source
> base distros, it's dependencies control.

Dependency controls... like what apt or aptitude does?

> There are things one might compile against, that others might think as
> irrelevant.  On binary based distros one can't control how the
> packages are compiled, thus one need to comply with the dependencies
> set by the developer.  Which is OK for the most part, except if you
> want customized systems (whether lighter or even more blotted).


Nope, aptitude offers you the dependencies the distro developer
specifies (not just the application developer), some of them are
recommendations, some of them are strictly required.  When you are to
compile the application yourself, you can find that even things
strictly required by a binary distro are really not.  The reason is
that the distro developer compiled using a particular library for
example, when he/she could have used another or none.  So on binary
distros one has 2 levels of non optional dependencies I believe, the
ones set by the original package developer, and the ones set by the
distro developer for the package.  This is not true on sourceMage, not
sure on gentoo (it looks like people immediately thinks of gentoo when
talking about source based distros) since I don't know about it, and
it's just because the only really required dependencies on sourceMage
by policy are the ones set by the original package developer.

Whether this makes a difference or not, it depends on the system one
wants to get.

I might be wrong though about how debian package developers compile
things though, I'm not one, and it might be that there's a policy to
keep as required dependencies only the ones set by upstream, but I'm
not aware of it.

As a side note, something I liked from sourceMage was its policy of
keeping upstream code untouched as much as possible.  I don't know of
any binary distro trying to keep up with that.  However this is beyond
the discussion since there's a lot to talk about that, just something
to mention, :).

For anything else I agree.  Just wanted to clarify a bit further about
the dependencies comment.  For not compiling the kernel as a
suggestion, well, again it depends (I don't totally agree).  For a
regular user with 40GB of HD or more, there's no problem on having a
blotted set of modules he/she will never use.  If you have limited HD,
you'd like to compile only what you need, and not everything so far
supported by the kernel (besides you get more tunned configuration at
the same time for free if you want, I provided the pentium M example,
but I bet there are more, like the kind of pre-emption, the frequency,
etc, not that one gets better performance, but that one gets the right
tunned configuration for the system, and not just a blotted generic
one).  Same thing applies to other packages.  One might want to remove
any gnome/QT dependency as much as possible, one might not support
some graphics libraries although required for the general purpose,
etc.

So far I'm living with both, debian, which I'm fond of (just a user
though for several years now), and just started sourceMage, as I
mentioned before, and I wouldn't just demerit source based distros
just because of the build time if that's what one needs, and I
wouldn't suggest source based distros just because of performance
either (the arguments about this are very clear, and there's nothing
to discuss about that).  Again, I think it's a matter of tastes and
necessities.  But again, I might have the concepts about the whole
thing completely twisted, since I'm just an user of both distros, :).

Please, if I'm completely wrong about my comments on dependencies, let
me know.  Maybe there's a debian policiy talking about this (is there
a pointer?) that I'm not aware of, and I was just talking non sense,
:).


--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 22:38 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...
> > > ...
>
> Nope, aptitude offers you the dependencies the distro developer
> specifies (not just the application developer), some of them are
> recommendations, some of them are strictly required.  When you are to
> compile the application yourself, you can find that even things
> strictly required by a binary distro are really not.  The reason is
> that the distro developer compiled using a particular library for
> example, when he/she could have used another or none.  So on binary
> distros one has 2 levels of non optional dependencies I believe, the
> ones set by the original package developer, and the ones set by the
> distro developer for the package.  This is not true on sourceMage, not
> sure on gentoo (it looks like people immediately thinks of gentoo when
> talking about source based distros) since I don't know about it, and
> it's just because the only really required dependencies on sourceMage
> by policy are the ones set by the original package developer.
>
> Whether this makes a difference or not, it depends on the system one
> wants to get.

I specifically picked "gd" for that very reason. It supports eleventy
options. The reason I picked it, is because the linked set of libraries
for Debian pulls in some xlibs on even cursor based systems.

Basically the changelog said something like:

   "the linking of the code against xlibs, only slightly increases
   the pull in of files amounting to 72KiB, these days this small
   amount of disk space does not matter. The performance is not
   affected in any way, but allows for 98% coverage and reduces
   package count by 12 flavors. If you must have no xlibs, compile
   it yourself without it."

Which, to be honest, is the exact same reason people "restore or rebuild
classic cars" or heavily customize the "ricers" they own, or build thier
own house or hand craft the Linux Distro of their choice.

> I might be wrong though about how debian package developers compile
> things though, I'm not one, and it might be that there's a policy to
> keep as required dependencies only the ones set by upstream, but I'm
> not aware of it.

There is the Debian Developers Guide and the Debian Free software Guide.
These BOTH have an effect on the Original Source code. BTW, you do know
that *EXCEPT* for non-free pieces (like non-source firmware and binary
blobs) that Debian include *.orig.tar.gz for everything? They also have
a *.diff.tar.gz... so following your comment about "keeping upstream
untouched as much as possible" is not-genuine. Debian does this, but at
the same time folowing the DFSG.

> As a side note, something I liked from sourceMage was its policy of
> keeping upstream code untouched as much as possible.  I don't know of
> any binary distro trying to keep up with that.  However this is beyond
> the discussion since there's a lot to talk about that, just something
> to mention, :).

I mentioned Debian Policy (Set forth by the Debian Free Software Guide)
as being the BEST reason to run Debian Linux... or Debian FreeBSD or
Debian period.

> For anything else I agree.  Just wanted to clarify a bit further about
> the dependencies comment.  For not compiling the kernel as a
> suggestion, well, again it depends (I don't totally agree).  For a
> regular user with 40GB of HD or more, there's no problem on having a
> blotted set of modules he/she will never use.  If you have limited HD,
> you'd like to compile only what you need, and not everything so far
> supported by the kernel (besides you get more tunned configuration at
> the same time for free if you want, I provided the pentium M example,
> but I bet there are more, like the kind of pre-emption, the frequency,
> etc, not that one gets better performance, but that one gets the right
> tunned configuration for the system, and not just a blotted generic
> one).  Same thing applies to other packages.  One might want to remove
> any gnome/QT dependency as much as possible, one might not support
> some graphics libraries although required for the general purpose,
> etc.

Good enough, I could pick, but won't. :-P

> ...

I am fully up on Gentoo. I like its handling, its tools for helping in
dealing with packaging and other features... specifically not using
upstart (at the moment) and other pieces that traditional UNIX systems
have more in common with it. Gentoo is very friendly, it is just picky
about its friends.

> Please, if I'm completely wrong about my comments on dependencies, let
> me know.  Maybe there's a debian policiy talking a

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/4/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:

[heavy snippage dude]
> >
> > You mentioned debian commitment to FSF and its social contract, as
> > very good reasons by themselves to run debian.  I totally agree.
> > However debian is not the only distro with such commitment.  Actually
> > sourceMage picked debian social contract and modified it a bit...
> snip...
>
> I understand Greg's comments to be about Debian's commitment to
> enforcing a packaging policy, i.e. a policy on where and how things
> are installed. To me is quite a different thing than a social
> policy. In Debian, if the install scripts of a package to not put
> things where the policy says they should be _that_ is a bug in the
> package. It may also be considered a bug in some other distro.s. I've
> not kept track of this sort of policy issue in any other distro. since
> I discovered Debian.
>
> The Social Policy is also good. But I think it is easy to feel good
> about a Social Policy, and it is hard work to implement a packaging
> policy.


I think that the packaging policy is what really sets debian
apart. THat's why everything "just works"... because dev's can count
on things being a certain way and if its not, they can count on it
being fixed.

A


Hmm, OK, we're changing the original topic now, but it's OK.  I didn't
want to comment more, but I think there's a confusion here.  On a
binary distribution you required a packaging policy, since you have
different package developers, and in order to keep a coherent
functional and robust system (dependencies, etc), you need to enforce
a packaging policy.  Debian packaging policy has demonstrated to me by
far to be the best (personal opinion here), and not now, almost from
the very beginning.

However on a source based distribution, there's no different package
developers, the admin of the system is the developer at the same time,
and he/she is the one deciding what to compile against (libraries,
dependencies whether strict or optional, etc).  Furthermore,
sourceMage, and probably other source based distros also have their
own packaging policies.  In sourceMage for example the "spells",
include a section for dependencies, just like in debian, and the
required dependencies by upstream are included there.  Beyond that
there are 2 release branches, one stable, and the other testing, plus
a development environment.  Nothing goes to "stable" if the testing
community is not satisfied about it.

I think there's no way to compare packaging policy between a binary
distro and a source based one.  The philosophy is completely
different.  On a binary distro the policy is enforced to the distro
package developers, while on a source based one the developer is
oneself, and even considering that, there are policies enforced by the
original application developer which are enforced...  Remember that
it's not entirely correct to compare oranges against apples.

--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: suggestions for window manager

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/10/07, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> low-resource: box only has 64 MB available.
> Rock solid stable.  A focus on good design and being bug-free over
> adding 'features'.


This is pretty much a matter of taste.  For light WMs, the ones I've
tried and heard of are:

fluxbox
icewm
pekwm
fvwm(#)

I've read through this list fvwm is pretty light and manageable once
one learns how to configure it properly (fvwm2 was the default at
work, and for remote work I found fluxbox lighter, so I dropped fvwm,
it might have been not having the right configuration, and I didn't
like it that much to continue trying), however for out of the box
pretty light and easy tocustomize I'd say fluxbox is the one I prefer.
I tried icewm, but I got back to fluxbox since when compiling on
machines where I don't have root permissions it has less dependencies,
and I honestly liked it better.  I also tried pekwm, and I liked it at
the instant I used it, pretty light as well if not lighter, however it
doesn't natively include toolbar, so one needs to install a separate
toolbar application, which is OK, but then the combination might not
be as light as one integrated thing.

There are tons of other options (some already mentioned in this
thread), and you can find out only by trying them.  I've always gone
back to fluxbox though, :).


--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: fluxbox slit

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/11/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm trying out different window managers and I'm now on fluxbox.

The documentation seems sparce.  What is the slit and what is it for?  I
only see the bar at the bottom center.

Thanks,

Doug.


http://fluxbox.org/docbook/en/html
http://fluxbox.org/docbook/en/html/chap-slit.html

And from the slit section already pointed out:

+++
Chapter 7. The Slit
One of the most frequently asked questions is "What is the slit?" In
fact, when this document was written, I also copied it to the top of
the FAQ to point to this section in order to stop it from being asked
in #fluxbox ten times a day, and to end the myth that the Slit is
another name for the Toolbar.

The slit is one of the many parts of Fluxbox that has been inherited
from Blackbox. It is designed to hold WindowMaker Dockapps, (and
anything that runs in that mode which is called 'withdrawn' or (less
often) 'swallowed'). Such applications often have a -w option, but
some are automatically in withdrawn mode.
...
Other than that, You can run any 'dockable' application. (This is also
known as running in 'withdrawn' mode). As an example, xmms ships with
the wmxmms application. Simply run wmxmms &, and it will appear in the
slit. As mentioned above, some applications (for example gkrellm) need
the -w command line switch to appear in the Slit.
+++


--
Javier


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: fluxbox slit

[Javier Vasquez]

On 5/11/07, Sjoerd Hiemstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The slit is one of the many parts of Fluxbox that has been inherited
> from Blackbox. It is designed to hold WindowMaker Dockapps, (and
> anything that runs in that mode which is called 'withdrawn' or (less
> often) 'swallowed'). Such applications often have a -w option, but
> some are automatically in withdrawn mode.

I've been running Blackbox for 8 years, but what the 'slit' is, has
always remained a mystery. This explanation does not bring any light
either. What, for heaven's sake, is a 'WindowMaker Dockapp', what
'mode' are they talking about, when is an application 'withdrawn', what
does the -w option do?
My conclusion is that the 'slit' is a big joke, they're keeping it
deliberately mysterious.  ;-)

S.H.


If you want a clear definition I agree.  But for practical purposes,
what the documentation indicates should be enough.  It mentions
wmxmms, and gkrellm.  Simply try to install and run them.  There are
lots of dock applications available to be placed in the slit.  Fluxbox
page includes links to some:

http://www.dockapps.org
http://web.cs.mun.ca/~gstarkes/wmaker/dockapps

Just to mention a couple.  The pager, like fbpager, is kind of a dock
application and it's pretty common application under flubox users
(with fluxbox themes that comes with the package I see no need for a
pager though, it's placed in the slit).  The dock application I mostly
use on my laptop is wmacpi.  We could say then, that for practical
purposes "the slit is the place where dock applications are attached
on the workspace/desktop, and where they end up showing up".  Problem
then is defining dock application.  Which can be for practical
purposes, a dynamic small icon which pretends to show some status, and
in some cases add some limited functionality associated to it.  There
are wikies about dock applications around:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_(computing)
http://www.gnome-dock.org/trac

In some environments like desktop managers (kde, gnome, etc) the dock
applications are embedded in the task/toolbar.  In the case of
fluxbox, the task/toolbar offers limited capacity for applications as
far a I know (date/clock, workspace indication, and of course the
task/toolbar with the windows present in the workspace whether
minimized or not), which I'm not sure if can be increased with
fluxspace (never even tried it).  So a simple way to add this kind of
applications is the slit.

Again I can't find a simple clear definition, but for practical
purposes one could try a dock application, or at least go to the
wikies and the dock applications pages to see what's available there.
The fluxbox screenshots includes some dock applications besides the
pager as well one can look at, for example:

http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots/brendan_fluxbox.jpg

Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] How to get ia32-sun-java6-bin plugin working on iceweasel/iceape amd64 debian system?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I've been using java-gcj-compat-plugin under my amd64 debian, and it
mostly worked...  However the bank I have my accounts under, recently
moved due to "security" reasons to some java applets NOT supported by
java-gcj-compat-plugin.  On my i686 systems I had no problems using
the sun-java6 plugin, but on my amd64, the sun-java6 doesn't provide
the plugin, and ia32-sun-java6 plugin is required...

The problem is that the ia32-sun-java6 plugin doesn't get recognized
by iceweasel/iceape, due to its ia32 nature apparently...

Is there a howto abotu getting ia32-sun-java6 working under
debian-amd64?  I've searched the web (it might be my queries aren't
that good though), and found nothing except installing ia32 binaries
whether from firefox or seamonkey, and then things would work...  But
I just wanted to use the 64b versions of iceape/iceweasel, is it
possible?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] How to get ia32-sun-java6-bin plugin working on iceweasel/iceape amd64 debian system?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been using java-gcj-compat-plugin under my amd64 debian, and it
> mostly worked...  However the bank I have my accounts under, recently
> moved due to "security" reasons to some java applets NOT supported by
> java-gcj-compat-plugin.  On my i686 systems I had no problems using
> the sun-java6 plugin, but on my amd64, the sun-java6 doesn't provide
> the plugin, and ia32-sun-java6 plugin is required...
>
> The problem is that the ia32-sun-java6 plugin doesn't get recognized
> by iceweasel/iceape, due to its ia32 nature apparently...
>
> Is there a howto abotu getting ia32-sun-java6 working under
> debian-amd64?  I've searched the web (it might be my queries aren't
> that good though), and found nothing except installing ia32 binaries
> whether from firefox or seamonkey, and then things would work...  But
> I just wanted to use the 64b versions of iceape/iceweasel, is it
> possible?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Javier


Just in case the message I get when trying to load the plugin:

LoadPlugin:  failed to initialize shared library
/usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[/usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so:
 wrong ELF class:  ELFCLASS32]

Notice I get the same thing when loading the non-free flash plugin,
but that plugin ultimately gets loaded since it's supported by
nspluginwrapper while the ia32-sun-java6 one apparently isn't:

% nspluginwrapper -i
/usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
nspluginwrapper:
/usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
is not a valid NPAPI plugin

So the question is whether in reality the only way to get
ia32-sun-java6 working is to get a ia32 browser, :(...  Or there's a
way to get it working under amd64 iceweasel/iceape...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Using icedax to generate wav's accessing cddb through proxy

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I've used icedax before with cddb, so that I can get the songs'
titles, album title, etc...  However when I'm under a proxy I can't
get to conned to the CDDB server...  I tried using http_proxy and
ftp_proxy which work great with apt/aptitude, but icedax doesn't seem
to pay attention to these environment variables...  Is there a way to
get connected to a CDDB server through proxy?  How to?

Thanks,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Using icedax to generate wav's accessing cddb through proxy

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've used icedax before with cddb, so that I can get the songs'
> titles, album title, etc...  However when I'm under a proxy I can't
> get to conned to the CDDB server...  I tried using http_proxy and
> ftp_proxy which work great with apt/aptitude, but icedax doesn't seem
> to pay attention to these environment variables...  Is there a way to
> get connected to a CDDB server through proxy?  How to?
>

I forgot to mention I do not use desktop environment just plain X +
fluxbox as window manager, or the console, so setting the proxy
through gnome/kde proxy specification doesn't work for me.  As you
could notice, for apt/aptitude I set http_proxy/ftp_proxy env.
variables...  Under icedax "man" I don't see anything referring to
proxy...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] Using icedax to generate wav's accessing cddb through proxy

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Andrei Popescu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue,16.Sep.08, 15:45:36, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've used icedax before with cddb, so that I can get the songs'
>> > titles, album title, etc...  However when I'm under a proxy I can't
>> > get to conned to the CDDB server...  I tried using http_proxy and
>> > ftp_proxy which work great with apt/aptitude, but icedax doesn't seem
>> > to pay attention to these environment variables...  Is there a way to
>> > get connected to a CDDB server through proxy?  How to?
>> >
>>
>> I forgot to mention I do not use desktop environment just plain X +
>> fluxbox as window manager, or the console, so setting the proxy
>> through gnome/kde proxy specification doesn't work for me.  As you
>> could notice, for apt/aptitude I set http_proxy/ftp_proxy env.
>> variables...  Under icedax "man" I don't see anything referring to
>> proxy...
>
> Did you search through the bugs? Chances are someone else discovered
> this before.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei


Not before you mentioned it, :)  An after doing it, I don't see any
proxy associated bug any ways...

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my
spooler engine, I don't  get in the file-print menu an option to print
PostScript/default as I do with iceape.

So with iceape I'm actually able to print stuff, but with iceweasel I
don't get how to do it...  I tried addign fields in "about:config"
like PostScript/default printer command and setting the printer to
PostScript/default, but it doesn't still show up on the menu.  I was
looking at the "about:conifg" for iceape, but there are so many
PostScript/default options that I'm looking for an easier way to do
it...

I need to use iceweasel since I'm required to use the MS-communicator,
and the only way to do it is through the web-based one, and with
iceape I don't get it to pop-up (don't know why)...

Any help on this would be appreciated.

thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

[Javier Vasquez]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my
>> spooler engine, I don't  get in the file-print menu an option to print
>> PostScript/default as I do with iceape.
>>
>> So with iceape I'm actually able to print stuff, but with iceweasel I
>> don't get how to do it...  I tried addign fields in "about:config"
>> like PostScript/default printer command and setting the printer to
>> PostScript/default, but it doesn't still show up on the menu.  I was
>> looking at the "about:conifg" for iceape, but there are so many
>> PostScript/default options that I'm looking for an easier way to do
>> it...
>
> If you are using iceweasel version 3, see here:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg00523.html
>
> In older versions of iceweasel you should see a dialog that allows you to
> specify the print command directly (as far as I remember).
>
> --
> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>  Florian   |


Yeap, I use debian unstable, and the iceweasel version is 3.0.3.  Bad
thing is that I don't use gnome (neither kde for that matter), just
plain fluxbox.  So after generating by hand "~/.gtkrc-2.0", and
including in it gtk-print-backends = "file,lpr,cups", did not help me
at all, and I do have installed libgtk2.0-0...

No way to do this inside iceweasel itself?


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>  When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my
>>  spooler engine, I don't  get in the file-print menu an option to print
>>  PostScript/default as I do with iceape.
>
> I do.  I may have done something to get it to work here, but I'm not
> sure if I changed anything, or this is stock behaviour.  Perhaps blow
> away/purge iceweasel and re-install it?!?  Just guessing, and I doubt
> that's necessary.
>
> If you tell me what to look for in about:config, I'll try to help
> debug this with you.

You can look for "print.printer_PostScript/default".  Actually I saw
lots of options in iceape for this printer, but as it didn't work by
setting 1st the print command, I just didn't want to go ahead and
blindly set by hand all those options.  Maybe there's a specific one
that might do the trick, but just looking at the options I couldn't
figure it out...

BTW, I'm using iceweasel 3.0.3.  Maybe that makes the difference
between your iceweasel and mine, :).

> btw, I don't use iceape, so no idea why the two aren't in sync.

I've always used iceape, just a matter of taste, but requiring this
web-based ms-communicator thing made me some time back start using
iceweasel...  I had to also start using icedove, when I always used
the mail piece of iceape, because of its lack of calendar support
(again required for mettings and the like)...

>
>
> --
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html  Linux Counter #80292
> - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me.

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:10:35PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>>
>> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my
>> spooler engine, I don't  get in the file-print menu an option to print
>> PostScript/default as I do with iceape.
>
> I use standard LPD to print.  Do you have the xprint package installed?
> Is the about:config line for the lpr command line correct?
>
> Doug.

I've never used xprint.  I never needed it before.  I've used for
several years now plain lprng && (magicfilter || foomatic-filters).
Lately more foomatic-filters since there's no so good documentation
around new network printers, which I can't find in the filters
themselves, so I go and download the specific PPD's from the web...

Maybe using xprint might help, but I wanted to see 1st if there's a
way to make iceweasel print through plain lpr by itself...  At last
I'll look then for xprint, and see how can it help, taking into
account I'm using iceweasel version 3.0.3...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

[Javier Vasquez]

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Florian Kulzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:07:36 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my
>> >> spooler engine, I don't  get in the file-print menu an option to print
>> >> PostScript/default as I do with iceape.
>
> [...]
>
>> > If you are using iceweasel version 3, see here:
>> >
>> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg00523.html
>
> [...]
>
>> Yeap, I use debian unstable, and the iceweasel version is 3.0.3.  Bad
>> thing is that I don't use gnome (neither kde for that matter), just
>> plain fluxbox.  So after generating by hand "~/.gtkrc-2.0", and
>> including in it gtk-print-backends = "file,lpr,cups", did not help me
>> at all, and I do have installed libgtk2.0-0...
>
> Just to make sure: Did you close and restart iceweasel after creating
> the configuration file?

My bad.  I was still leaving an iceape instance alive (the
communicator one)...  After closing everything and loading iceape
again, I got it working, :).

> You can test whether your iceweasel really opens the configuration file
> if you install the "strace" package and do this:
>
> strace -efile iceweasel 2>&1 | grep gtkrc
>
> (Be prepared for a longer startup time and a general sluggishness of the
>  user interface if you run iceweasel like that.)
>
>> No way to do this inside iceweasel itself?
>
> If I remember the discussion in July correctly then we did not find a
> way; that was quite frustrating for the lpr(ng) users until Jan Willem
> Stumpel posted the solution via gtkrc. You should maybe read the entire
> thread yourself; I use CUPS and was not affected by the problem, so I
> did not pay attention to every detail.

Yeap, I read the thread, and that seemed to be the only solution
indeed.  Bad thing iceweasel lost its way, :)

> --
> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>  Florian   |

Thanks a lot,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

[Javier Vasquez]

Ups, I meant iceweasel bellow...

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Florian Kulzer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:07:36 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my
>>> >> spooler engine, I don't  get in the file-print menu an option to print
>>> >> PostScript/default as I do with iceape.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> > If you are using iceweasel version 3, see here:
>>> >
>>> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg00523.html
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Yeap, I use debian unstable, and the iceweasel version is 3.0.3.  Bad
>>> thing is that I don't use gnome (neither kde for that matter), just
>>> plain fluxbox.  So after generating by hand "~/.gtkrc-2.0", and
>>> including in it gtk-print-backends = "file,lpr,cups", did not help me
>>> at all, and I do have installed libgtk2.0-0...
>>
>> Just to make sure: Did you close and restart iceweasel after creating
>> the configuration file?
>
> My bad.  I was still leaving an iceape instance alive (the
> communicator one)...  After closing everything and loading iceape  << mistake 
> here <<
> again, I got it working, :).
>
>> You can test whether your iceweasel really opens the configuration file
>> if you install the "strace" package and do this:
>>
>> strace -efile iceweasel 2>&1 | grep gtkrc
>>
>> (Be prepared for a longer startup time and a general sluggishness of the
>>  user interface if you run iceweasel like that.)
>>
>>> No way to do this inside iceweasel itself?
>>
>> If I remember the discussion in July correctly then we did not find a
>> way; that was quite frustrating for the lpr(ng) users until Jan Willem
>> Stumpel posted the solution via gtkrc. You should maybe read the entire
>> thread yourself; I use CUPS and was not affected by the problem, so I
>> did not pay attention to every detail.
>
> Yeap, I read the thread, and that seemed to be the only solution
> indeed.  Bad thing iceweasel lost its way, :)
>
>> --
>> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>>  Florian   |
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> --
> Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Partitioning Scheme

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I'm about to install a new Debian system.  Previously what I've done
is to create 3 partitions (/, /boot, swap), but now that I have the
oporttunity, I'd like to do things differently.  I was reading the
Debian reference guide (the security part), and also openBsd
partitioning schemes, and they both agree that having specific storage
areas in different isolated sections (partitions in this case), would
help a lot for security reasons, so that for example a section won't
grow beyond its limits (inhibiting other pieces of the system to
operate correctly), and also some speed reasons are argued as well,
:)...

Well, The following scheme is proposed (from what I read btoh from
openBsd and Debian reference guide):

Partition   Suggested Size (openBsd)

/ 150   M
/usr6   G
/var80 M
/tmp  120M
/home   4G
/boot
/opt

/usr/local
/usr/src  4G  <=  Source compilation oriented.
/var/log  150   M
/var/tmp 1   G
/var/www
/var/mail

/var/spool/mail
/var/cache/apt

However I'm not sure about those numbers, and besides there's no clear
size for ALL targets.  Is there some other documentation around with
sizes suggestions?  I understand this, like anything else is, "well,
it depends"...  My intention is to install a web/mail/printer/...
server, multiuser, and I also want users to still be able to keep
multimedia at their homes, and I want a secure scheme as possible as
well, etc.  I count with a 180 G...

Any suggestions, specially to fill in the sizes, would be helpful.
Notice my previous approaches would consist on a 500M /boot, a 1G swap
(the box has 512M ram), and ~6.5G /, but I want to change that, :)

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Any Project Management Tools for Linux

[Javier Vasquez]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Siju George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there any project management tolls available for Linus with Gantt Chart 
> etc?
>
> thanks
>
> --Siju

How about?

openproj[1]
taskjuggler [2]
ganttproject[3]

gnome and kde both have their own versions as well (planner and
kplato).  openproj gives the advantage of the ms-office-2003
compatibility, but not with 2007 I believe...


[1]  http://openproj.org/openproj
[2]  http://www.taskjuggler.org
[3]  http://ganttproject.sourceforge.net

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: small web browser

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Andrei Popescu
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu,13.Nov.08, 02:33:25, lee wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> what's a good web browser that doesn't need so much memory? I have the
>> same group of tabs open in each browser to compare memory useage:
>
> midori?
>
> Regards,
> Andrei

http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html
http://webkit.org/http://webkit.org/

Not sure about the advantages of webkit (khtml based) engine against
gecko engine though...  But it's said gecko no longer lags behind
webkit (it's said it did before):

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/mozilla-committed-to-gecko.ars/1

So who knows?


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Very slim Desktop Manager

[Javier Vasquez]

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:29:10AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:00:28PM +0100, Michael Ott wrote:
>>>
>>> I am looking for a very slim desktop manager.
>>>
>>> The system looking for is a 486 166MHz with 64MB Ram.
>>>
>>> I only want to run one or two small applications
>>>
>> In addition to all the advice you have so far received, I would suggest
>> you to try damnsmalllinux. It is a live cd based on debian.
>
>
> If he is wanting to try something other than Debian, OpenBSD will take
> far fewer resources (leaving more for his applications) (based on my
> experience with my 486).
>
> Doug.

Quick question, does openBSD support sshfs?  I kind of need it to
access remote file systems, but I've been looking around the web, and
it seems openBSD doesn't support it, :(  Other than that, it sounds
good enough for old small systems, :)


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Debian-User] Original cdrkit.

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi all,

If I'd like to use the original cdrkit instead of the main repository
packaged version, the only way to do that is by compiling the sources?
 Or is there any debian-multimedia like package around?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Scary article in Wall Street Journal today

[Javier Vasquez]

On 2/18/10, Paul E Condon  wrote:
> Today in Wall Street Journal (pg 3 in US edition), there is an article
> about hacker break-ins to computers via the internet. Mentioned as the
> method of break-in are spyware called ZeuS, and Firefox browser, but
> no mention of what OS are aflicted.
>
> I assume most of the affected computers are running some version of
> Microsoft Windows, but is this also a threat to Linux, and, in
> particular, Debian with Iceweasel? Where can I look to read a
> discussion in more detail than this issue merits on this list?
> e.g. How does ZeuS work? And what does it do?
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Paul E Condon
> pecon...@mesanetworks.net


http://www.pcworld.com/article/189717/kneber_botnet_attacks_pcs_worldwide_faq.html

Looks like only windows, specially XP-SP2...

-- 
Javier.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/2645c3ed1002181138n490b00d1u59f2dc7a33588...@mail.gmail.com

Re: GNOME crashes when .xsession file is present.

[Javier Vasquez]

On 4/14/10, Camaleón  wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:55:18 +0530, Disc Magnet wrote:
>
>> So, how do I prevent it from crashing and successfully log in?
>
> Curious is that I don't have such file in my home (running Lenny and
> GNOME here) :-?
>
> Anyway, what is the full content of your "~/.xsession" file and what is
> your final purpose, I mean, what do you want to achieve with that file?
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
> Camaleón

~/.xsession is recognized by the Xsession usually located at
/etc/X11/xdm/Xsession or /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession.  gdm, usually comes
with a link to it, and it is called by default.  Xsession will look
for several files, one of them being ~/.xsession.

If ~/.xsession is not present, then gdm will pick one of the desktops
found under /etc/X11/sessions or /usr/share/xsessions, etc., being
gnome the default, but gdm allows selecting which one...

If ~/.xsession is found, you can indicate what things to do at first
prior to call the window manager (such as xrdb, autocutsel, xmodmap,
xsetbg, xsetroot, etc...).  The final thing it does is calling the
window manager.  If you want to go with the approach of ~/.xsession,
and still use gnome, then the last thing you should include is "exec
gnome-session", or "exec startkde", or "exec startfluxbox", etc.  This
is pretty useful for those not using desktop environment, so they
instead call something lik "exec startfluxbox" or "exec fvwm2", or the
call for whatever window manager of their preference.

For those not using gdm neither kdm, then they're more familiar with
it, perhaps because of using xdm, slim, or plain startx.  startx uses
~/.xinitrc instead, so usually what one creates is ~/.xinitrc, and
~/.xsession is just a symlink to it, but one then needs to provide
executing access to ~/.xinitrc.  This approach will simplify things
when one wants to enable both startx and a login session manager such
as xdm or slim, etc.

So to me the most standard way to setup the X session is through
default scripts, Xinit and Xsession.  I'm not sure why the desktop
environments had to provide their own ways, :-)  Any ways, that's what
gdm uses, and kdm has similar way also (though I'm not sure if kdm
also allows a default which also looks for Xsession)...


-- 
Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/y2q2645c3ed1004140905q8d46501egec8b761a63ba2...@mail.gmail.com

Re: lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

[Javier Vasquez]

On Nov 7, 2007 9:11 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  On 11/4/07, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
>
> Please, what does "I can't get to use" mean?  Error messages?  Log
> entries?  See /var/log for the latter.

The error is simple, and it was provided previously, it's gs
complaining about the device hpijs not found.  From previous post "I
always get the message from gs indicating hpijs device not found".
This is because I'm trying to use magicfilter selecting the hpijs
driver, which provides under printcap something like:

:if=/etc/magicfilter/hpijs-filter:\

Which calls gs like:

/usr/bin/gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -r300 -sDEVICE=hpijs <...>

And that way to specify hpijs seems not to be recognized by gs, :(...
Any ways, now I'm calling foomatic-rip directly, and things seem to
work as expected...  Under the ppd, I can change the default values,
:)...

> >  BTW:  Is there a way to set the quality on /etc/printcap directly, so
> >  by default everything prints on economic/draft quality under such
> >  configuration?
>
> Here's my /etc/printcap for an Epson Stylus Photo 900:
>
> lp0|To Your Left: \
> :lp=/dev/lp0: \
> :force_localhost: \
> :if=/usr/bin/foomatic-rip: \
> :ppd=/usr/local/ppd/Epson-Stylus_Photo_870-Stp870p.upp.ppd: \
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp: \
> :mx#0:sh:
>
> It's not rocket science, once you find the ppd that matches your
> printer closely enough, but I think print quality may be app
> specific.

Good thing is that openoffice allows color depth specification.  Bad
news is that it allows me to select between 8 and 24 only.  It also
allows color selection, :)...  Bad thing is that iceape does not allow
any quality setting, only color, :(  And I bet that as I changed the
Default mode to Draft, when I perform "lpr /etc/printcap", then it'll
use draft instead of any other mode...

> CUPS or foomatic config may do that for you.

foomatic-config is not 100% compatible with lprng, so the manual file generated:

lp|hp680c|HP-DeskJet-680C:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hp680c:\
:sh:mx#0:\
:if=/usr/bin/foomatic-rip:\
:ppd=/usr/share/ppd/hpijs/HP/HP-DeskJet_680C-hpijs.ppd:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

Is enough for now, :)...  I do not want to use cups.  I've used cups
in the past, and although pretty simple (for foomatic-rip usage I had
to uncompress the specific ppd I needed for example, since hpijs-ppds
comes with the ppd's compressed), I don't like the huge dependency on
things I don't like, such as dbus and avahi, etc...

> I've used the hp and dj filters in the past, but that was a long time
> ago, sorry.

Your help has been enlightenning.  See I wanted to use magicfilter (I
still do, but I don't see how to make the magic work yet), and I was
aware of another filter called ifhp.  But it seems that for hpijs
usage the best thing to do is to use foomatic-rip...

Thanks a lot,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[OT] 2 access points wireless setup

[Javier Vasquez]

Hello,

I wanted to setup 2 access ponts, 1 per floor in my house (for some
reason the signla doesn't reach the other floor no matter which one I
place the AP).

What I've understood is that I then would need to use the same SSID,
and perhaps the same channel, and WEP if used for both, or same WAP
key if used for both.  Is that right?  Would the right thing be to set
different SSID's instead (I guess if so then maybe different channels
are required to prevent interference)?

I'm wondering, since I know there might be interference between the 2
AP's, and I don't know what would happen in the zones under which both
AP's are reacheable, only one stronger than the other...

Please advise on how to proceed.

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] 2 access points wireless setup

[Javier Vasquez]

On Dec 25, 2007 12:40 AM, Owen Townend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2007-12-25 at 10:50 +, Mihira Fernando wrote:
> > On Mon December 24 2007, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I wanted to setup 2 access ponts, 1 per floor in my house (for some
> > > reason the signla doesn't reach the other floor no matter which one I
> > > place the AP).
> > A thick floor can do that.

I've tried with just 1 AP, and it doesn't work, :(...

> > > What I've understood is that I then would need to use the same SSID,
> > > and perhaps the same channel, and WEP if used for both, or same WAP
> > > key if used for both.  Is that right?  Would the right thing be to set
> > > different SSID's instead (I guess if so then maybe different channels
> > > are required to prevent interference)?
> > If you plan to use the same SSID,WEP keys then use different channels.
> > Easiest, set the APs on auto channels.

One AP allows only hard configured channel (old dell true-mobile).
The other one (belkin), allows auto channel configuration.  As the
hard configured one is set on 6, the other one is picking whether 1 or
11.  Good news regarding the requirement of a channel difference of
5...

> > > I'm wondering, since I know there might be interference between the 2
> > > AP's, and I don't know what would happen in the zones under which both
> > > AP's are reacheable, only one stronger than the other...
> > If this is the case, do NOT use the same ssid. It can get quite messy if the
> > zones overlap and you have the same ssid.
> >
> > If your AP supports the repeater function, set one to be a reapeater for the
> > other zone.
> >
> > Mihira.
> > --


> Hey,
>   One being a repeater for the other wouldn't work if your wireless
> isn't making it through the floor to begin with.

Yeap, that's the case...

>   Run a cable upstairs (if you haven't already) then use both APs with
> identical SSIDs & key (and method, WEP, WPA, etc) but definitely
> different channels. Channels also overlap, so pick channels that are a
> few apart. You actually need to be 5 channels apart to be completely
> overlap free.

I already had cable in both floors, so I have the AP's both connected
to the same ethernet link...  As one of the AP's supports only WEP
(the old true-mobile friend), then I set the same SSID and WEP key in
both AP's.  As mentioned bellow, for the old true-mobile I had to set
a fixed channel, while for the belkin one I left the option as auto,
and it's picking whether 1 or 11, and both seem to accomplish the 5
channels appart; but if it's better to have it fixed as well, please
let me know...

So far things are working quiet nice, we'll se with time, :)...

> cheers,
> Owen.
>
> P.S.
> A few instructive pics about the channel distribution.
> http://paradigma.pt/ja/slog/wp-content/uploads/80211-frequency-channel-map.JPG
>  http://images.google.com/images?q=wifi+channels

Very instructive 1st pic...

Thanks a lot,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Digital Camera

[Javier Vasquez]

On 12/26/07, canonsx100 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.canonsx100.com
>
> Robert Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >I also have a digital camera that I love. It is a Sony that uses a USB
> > to
> > connect to the computer. Question is: How does digital cameras work with
> > Debian?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Eric


I'm not sure about what you're looking for.  However I'll suppose
you're asking about how to access the camera memory so you can upload
stuff from the camera's memory to your box...

If the camera is a mass storage compliant device, then there's no much
to do, it's automatically recognized, and you can mount it as any
other mass storage device, like memory keys, etc.  Usually they come
under vfat FS, so you can try mounting under vfat...  If not, then
maybe gphotofs can come handy.  It's kind of a virtual FS through
fuse.  I hope it helps...

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

Happy holidays !

I have a toshiba satellite 2800-S202, with a yamaha sound card
YMF-754.  From the lspci output I see:

00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-754 [DS-1E
Audio Controller]
Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Unknown device 0001
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 11
Memory at efdf (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32K]
I/O ports at fec0 [size=64]
I/O ports at febc [size=4]
Capabilities: 

This output is from kernel 2.6.23, see "uname -a" output:

Linux ojvn 2.6.23-1-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 21 13:57:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

Under linux kernel image 2.6.22-3 and mostly all previous kernels for
quiet a while, I haven't had problems using this card, but for some
reason now on 2.6.23-1 the card request for interrupt is failing.
>From dmesg:

ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:0c.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 11 (level,
low) -> IRQ 11
firmware request failed: -2
ACPI: PCI interrupt for device :00:0c.0 disabled
Yamaha DS-1 PCI: probe of :00:0c.0 failed with error -2

Which kind of gets confirmed when trying to select the card from alsaconf:

amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device

Or when trying to use alsamixer:

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

Weird thing is that the corresponding module actually got intalled:

# lsmod | grep ymfpci
snd_ymfpci 34720  0
gameport   15112  1 snd_ymfpci
snd_ac97_codec 92388  1 snd_ymfpci
snd_pcm72132  3 snd_ymfpci,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_opl3_lib9952  1 snd_ymfpci
snd_page_alloc 10088  2 snd_ymfpci,snd_pcm
snd_mpu401_uart 8128  1 snd_ymfpci
snd_timer  21156  4 snd_ymfpci,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq
snd48356  13
snd_ymfpci,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
firmware_class  9472  2 snd_ymfpci,pcmcia

Maybe the problem is not with the hardware itself, but with some
firmware issue, as indicated by dmesg (firmware request failed).

I'm attaching the dmesg output, the lspci -v output, the alsaconf output...

Did something particularly special changed with kernel 2.6.23-1, which
might be 2.6.23-2 instead according to aptitude (reading from aptitude
linux-image-2.6.23-1-686, version 2.6.23-2)?

By the way, I'm using unstable, which I have been for some time now...

Thanks,


-- 
Javier


lspci_v.log
Description: Binary data


dmessg.log
Description: Binary data


alsaconf.log
Description: Binary data

Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

On 12/29/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > Happy holidays !
> >
> > I have a toshiba satellite 2800-S202, with a yamaha sound card
> > YMF-754.  From the lspci output I see:
> >
>
> 
>
> > firmware request failed: -2
>
> 
>
> I see this in the changelog for 2.6.23-1 (I am only now dnlding 2.6.23-2):
>
> ...
> * Remove binary only firmwares for:
> ...
> - Yamaha YMF724/740/744/754
> ...
>
> Could that be related?
>
> Hugo

Well, the card is YMF754, so if fits into the ones, and the problem is
also about firmware, so you seem to have identified the issue...

If this is actually the issue, is there a way to work around it?
Maybe downloadind the firmware from somewhere and placing into a
specific directory?  Maybe just like it's done for ipw2100/ipw2200?

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

On Dec 30, 2007 8:24 AM, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 16:59:09 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > On 12/29/07, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > > Javier Vasquez wrote:
> > > > Happy holidays !
> > > >
> > > > I have a toshiba satellite 2800-S202, with a yamaha sound card
> > > > YMF-754.  From the lspci output I see:
> > > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > > firmware request failed: -2
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > I see this in the changelog for 2.6.23-1 (I am only now dnlding 2.6.23-2):
> > >
> > > ...
> > > * Remove binary only firmwares for:
> > > ...
> > > - Yamaha YMF724/740/744/754
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Could that be related?
> > >
> > > Hugo
> >
> > Well, the card is YMF754, so if fits into the ones, and the problem is
> > also about firmware, so you seem to have identified the issue...
> >
> > If this is actually the issue, is there a way to work around it?
> > Maybe downloadind the firmware from somewhere and placing into a
> > specific directory?  Maybe just like it's done for ipw2100/ipw2200?
>
> I think I know how to do this, but please be aware that I do not have
> this card myself, therefore I cannot test anything. Follow the steps
> below at your own risk.
>
> Judging from the source code of the module, you need these three files:
>
> $ grep 'FIRMWARE' ymfpci_main.c
> MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1_dsp.fw");
> MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1_ctrl.fw");
> MODULE_FIRMWARE("yamaha/ds1e_ctrl.fw");
>
> Googling for these filenames turns up some RPMs, but I think it is
> better to get the firmware package from the ALSA site and generate the
> files yourself:
>
> --
>
> wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware/alsa-firmware-1.0.14.tar.bz2
>
> tar -xjvf alsa-firmware-1.0.14.tar.bz2
>
> cd alsa-firmware-1.0.14
>
> ./configure
>
> cd ymfpci
>
> make
>
> --
>
> This generates the three files:
>
> -rw-r--r-- 1 12K 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1_ctrl.fw
> -rw-r--r-- 1 128 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1_dsp.fw
> -rw-r--r-- 1 12K 2007-12-30 14:09 ds1e_ctrl.fw
>
> They probably have to be put into /lib/firmware/yamaha, then you can try
> to load the snd-ymfpci kernel module again.
>
> If you have so far never compiled programs on your system then you will
> probably get error messages about missing tools during the "./configure"
> step. Post the last few lines of output if you cannot figure out which
> packages you need to fix this.
>
> --
> Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>   Florian   |

Thanks a lot,

Actually downloading the firmware sources from alsa web (right now
1.0.15 version), compiling it and placing the *.fw files under
/lib/firmware/yamaha worked pretty well.  So this is the approach I'll
follow from now on.

I'm used to the kernel compilation process, but I prefer to keep using
the debian stock compiled one as much as possible, :).

BTW, the only caviar for this, is the need to keep looking at the alsa
web to see if there are any new updates to the firmware, the same way
one needs to keep looking at the ipw2100/ipw2200 web pages to find new
updates...  In fact although Florian mentioned version 1.0.14, the web
already had 1.0.15, but it might be that the yamaha firmware itself
didn't suffer any changes from the 1.0.14 to 1.0.15, :)...  However
then there's no need to play around with the kernel, :)...

Again, thanks a lot, very good guidance from everybody...


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

On Dec 30, 2007 9:49 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:42:16 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Saturday December 29 2007 17:53:15 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>  Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Roll your own kernel.org kernel.  Using your existing .config
> > file, it shouldn't be too hard.
>  As the matter of fact rolling the Debian i386_none_686 kernel I
>  see that the config file has:
> 
>  ...
>  # CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
>  ...
> 
>  just change that, I prefer with make menuconfig and recompile
>  as set forth in this list previously and voila! you have your
>  Debian kernel but with the firmware again for your soundcard.
> >>> Since the binary firmware has been "physically" removed, will that have
> >>> any effect?
> >>>
> >> Good question. Don't know. Javier will have to let us know. My guess is
> >> that not too many people go through a recompile. In 2.6.23-2 there still is
> >> a "simple patch" that I have to disable. Why? Who knows, it apparently does
> >> not involve hw or arch of my setup.
> >
> > All occurrences of
> >
> > #ifdef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
> > #ifndef CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
> >
> > seem to have been removed from ymfpci_main.c in the Debian 2.6.23
> > sources. AFAICT, this parameter has no effect anymore unless you use the
> > vanilla sources (or other non-Debian ones).
> >
>
> Absolutely true. That was done in
> linux-2.6.23/debian/patches/debian/dfsg/files-1 where the last 2 lines read:
>
> ...
> rm sound/pci/ymfpci/ymfpci_image.h
> unifdef sound/pci/ymfpci/ymfpci_main.c
> -UCONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL
>
> I would be tempted to comment out those 2 lines and attempt a compile of
> the Debian kernel.
> But I don't have the card.
>
> Hugo

Again, thanks a lot...  So it seems that it's Debian deciding not to
include the yamaha sound card firmware anymore...  And one could try
"unpatching" the debian kernel source, :)...

Well, if that's Debian decision, maybe what the kernel guys expect
from users is just to install the firmware manually like Florian
suggested (that actually worked).  So far, that's what I'm more
inclined to continue doing, so I don't need to undo what Debian kernel
guys have decided to do, :)...  This at least while it's just a matter
of firmware.  If it were a matter of the driver themselves, then there
would be no other option but to compile the kernel...

Thanks again, pretty useful and enlightening suggestions/solutions...


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754

[Javier Vasquez]

On 12/31/07, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 09:40:25AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Maybe the problem is not with the hardware itself, but with some
> > firmware issue, as indicated by dmesg (firmware request failed).
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Did something particularly special changed with kernel 2.6.23-1, which
> > might be 2.6.23-2 instead according to aptitude (reading from aptitude
> > linux-image-2.6.23-1-686, version 2.6.23-2)?
>
> I think I recall a discussion on d-devel about licence issues with some
> firmwares in the kernel. Probably that's why they got removed. You
> already solved your problem, but have a look in the non-free repo for
> any firmware package. If you can't find anything file a RFP bug.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
> --

Does RFP stand for "request for package"?  Any ways, do you think a
package is necessary for firmware downloading?  ipw2100 and ipw2200
also require firmware download, and I think they do not have any
package for that purpose, am I wrong (if I am, please let me know,
since I have an ipw2100 card under a dell laptop)?  Maybe documenting
what's needed for YMF sound cards to work is what's missing, :)...
BTW, I didn't find anything to YMF sound cards firmware under any
repository (well, I found under contrib, alsa-firmware-loaders, but
it's of no use for the purpose of downloading and updating YMF
firmware I guess)...


Thanks a lot,


-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[OT] Anybody using Pic'nRoll Trully media player for oggs?

[Javier Vasquez]

Hi,

I acquired a Pic'nRoll Trully media player which is advertised to
interpret oggs from Q1 to Q10.

My experience, even with latest firmware from their site, is that it
doesn't play oggs nice, since I experience little jumps and sometimes
the player gets stuck for a little while as well.  Not to mention that
if the screen is not off while playing, or if a bottom or something is
used, then the player slows down...  I didn't notice these things
while playing mp3's.

So I was wondering if it's the same to anybody who has acquired such
player, and if there's some workAround, like changing completely the
firmware for a rockbox one or something similar...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: screensaver recommendation

[Javier Vasquez]

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Darac Marjal  wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 11:42:33AM +0800, lina wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wish to have a screensaver.
>>
>> Thanks ahead for recommendation.
>>
>>
>> Below are some background info.:
>>
>> lightdm   install
>> lightdm-gtk-greeter   install
>> xfce4 install
>> xfce4-panel   install
>> xfce4-session install
>> xfce4-settingsinstall
>>
>> xscreensaver doesn't work for me cause it won't recognize the password
>> due to I use the dovrak layout. To me, seems the reboot is the only resort.
>
> You may be pleased to hear that this has been reported as bugs #644534
> and #683257.
>
> In future, you may try switching to a virtual console and running
> "xscreensaver-command -display :0 -exit" (though you may need to fiddle
> with xset permissions, YMMV). Alternatively, just restarting lightdm
> should work, too.


There are lighter options than xscreensaver, :-)  Such as xautolock +
xtrlock, or xautolock + any other light locker...

--
Javier.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CALUrRGcRguqTYWQ-zzqvfnn=volwhq7vud1jjcf7mqz1fm5...@mail.gmail.com

Re: a tool to have specific images on X root window

[Javier Vasquez]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Erwan David  wrote:
> Le 18/01/2013 21:10, Erwan David a écrit :
>
>> Le 18/01/2013 21:02, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I would like to know if someone knows a tool like xphoon or xplanet, but
>>> allowing to use a simple image (I do not mind the format: I can convert
>>> images by script) instead of planets with calculations.
>>>
>>> It have no real use, except making my workspaces a background image which
>>> will probably become useless in the second :D
>>>
>>> Oh, last thing. I do not, and do not intend to, use big DE like kde,
>>> gnome, xfce, lightweight dependencies is a requirement. Stuff with the same
>>> mind of lxde is an option, but I did not find a package giving only that
>>> feature (I already have a window manager and a menu application, even if the
>>> last one does not provide me what I would like).
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>> xroot ?
>>
>>
> Or xloadimage, I had forgotten.

feh (depends upon imlib2)...


--
Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CALUrRGf_=PKri3FSPL_mLsE_jg3OkP=j4iztqnjklwxpyej...@mail.gmail.com

Re: a tool to have specific images on X root window

[Javier Vasquez]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM,   wrote:
>
>
> Le 18.01.2013 21:42, Erwan David a écrit :
>
>> Le 18/01/2013 21:38, Javier Vasquez a écrit :
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Erwan David  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Le 18/01/2013 21:10, Erwan David a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Le 18/01/2013 21:02, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to know if someone knows a tool like xphoon or xplanet,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> allowing to use a simple image (I do not mind the format: I can
>>>>>> convert
>>>>>> images by script) instead of planets with calculations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It have no real use, except making my workspaces a background image
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> will probably become useless in the second :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, last thing. I do not, and do not intend to, use big DE like kde,
>>>>>> gnome, xfce, lightweight dependencies is a requirement. Stuff with the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> mind of lxde is an option, but I did not find a package giving only
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> feature (I already have a window manager and a menu application, even
>>>>>> if the
>>>>>> last one does not provide me what I would like).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> xroot ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Or xloadimage, I had forgotten.
>
>
> xloadimage is perfect, thanks a lot!
> I did not found any xroot software, but there is a "$xrootconsole $image
> -onroot", but this one simply writes a file on root window, but in a raw
> form. Nice for text, I guess it could be useful to draw informations from
> sensors, by example.
> Thanks for both those tools.
>
>
>>> feh (depends upon imlib2)...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Javier.
>>>
>>>
>> Must come from one of the graphic format decoding library...
>
>
> feh is not able to draw stuff on root window, as far as I know? I'm already
> using it as my viewer, and I like it, and have not found anything related to
> such feature.
>
>
> Thanks anyway.


Have you tried the background setting options?  In the man page:

BACKGROUND SETTING
 feh can also be used as a background setter.  Unless you pass the
--no-fehbg option, it will store the command line necessary to set the
 background in ~/.fehbg, so to have your background restored every
time you start X, you can add "eval $(cat ~/.fehbg)" to your X startup
 script (like ~/.xinitrc).

 Note that all options except --bg-tile support Xinerama.  For
instance, if you have multiple screens connected and use e.g.
--bg-center,
 feh will center the image on each screen.  You may even specify
more than one file, in that case, the first file is set on screen 0,
the
 second on screen 1, and so on.

 Use --no-xinerama to treat the whole X display as one screen when
setting wallpapers.

 --bg-center
 Center the file on the background.  If it is too small,
it will be surrounded by a black border
 --bg-fill
 Like --bg-scale, but preserves aspect ratio by zooming
the image until it fits.  Either a horizontal or a vertical part of
the
 image will be cut off
 --bg-max
 Like --bg-fill, but scale the image to the maximum size
that fits the screen with black borders on one side.
 --bg-scale
 Fit the file into the background without repeating it,
cutting off stuff or using borders.  But the aspect ratio is not
preserved
 either
 --bg-tile
 Tile (repeat) the image in case it is too small for the screen
 --no-fehbg
 Do not write a ~/.fehbg file

I've used just "--bg-fill" and it works quiet well for me.

--
Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CALUrRGeBj5zJxFDE+GWzMOYVa7q6F9GqCWqgSHMd=zaq-tp...@mail.gmail.com

Re: alternatives to skype

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Philip Ashmore
 wrote:
> On 10/02/13 00:34, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>>
>> ...
>
> Try Google+ hangouts - I've used it with Firefox.
>
> You need a GoogleEmail account.
>
> Create a hangout and others (in your circle) can join in.
>
> See http://www.google.com/+/learnmore/hangouts/
>
> Philip

BTW, if no google+ is wanted, just gmail and googletalk-plugin for
gnu/linux wouls suffice, no need for google+...


-- 
Javier.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/calurrgcakxzaow5reiphrn8cu13tnjdxpqafnhtf9mjovkj...@mail.gmail.com

Re: aptitude full-upgrade installs unnecessary packages

[Javier Vasquez]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2012-06-15 18:15 +0200, Christoph Groth wrote:
>
>> "aptitude -D" is supposed to show for each package to be newly installed
>> the reason why it is needed.  In my case, aptitude wants to install
>> texlive-fonts-extra though this package is currently not installed and
>> also (to my knowledge) not required or recommended in any way.
>
> Interesting.
>
>> "apt-get full-upgrade" wants to do the same, BTW.
>
> Please show the output of "dpkg -l texlive-fonts-extra".
>
> Cheers,
>       Sven

Some time back the policy changed to install by default the
"recommended" ones.  So I had to include in my setting:

APT::Install-Recommends "false";

I'm not sure if that would help you.  Also I would turn off
"suggested" packages if you have them turned on (they are not by
default), like:

APT::Install-Suggests "false";

Perhaps you could try those and see what happens, :-)  It might this
is not related to your problem, but if you know what you're doing,
it'd be worth giving it a try...

-- 
Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CALUrRGeR9Wh+8rrMTK7DqO3OoQ3=pog2gqzttf6smk+44nk...@mail.gmail.com

Re: Small xorg?

[Javier Vasquez]

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sthu Deus  wrote:
> Good time of the day, Patrick.
>
>
> You worte:
>
>> Any recommendations for a small, compact version of X (limited
>> features OK) for an old Thinkpad 240X -- max RAM 192MB (design limit.
>>  won't take more.  tried.), 500MHz P3, 800x600 screen--to install
>> Squeeze on?  I'm running Etch and XFCE on it currently.  Want to see
>> if I can install a supported version of Debian with a small window
>> manager without the bloat of a full size X.
>>
>> I really like this notebook for travel--what I got it for originally
>> before netbooks existed.  Great keyboard--I do a lot of typing.
>>  Don't want to put it in a closet to gather dust.  Waste not, want
>> not. ;-)
>
> You assuredly can! - I used current Debian w/ LXDE on P-I ! w/ same RAM
> size as Yours and HDD of 40 GB.
>
>
> Sthu.
>


You can go even further, with no DE (desktop environment) at all.
Just plain WM (window manager), such as fluxbox (the one I prefer),
blackbox (the one used by default on LXDE), fvwm2, etc...  Some other
tiling WMs are also available such as xmonad...

-- 
Javier.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/calurrgdajtfuf+troriwykcir1vm_pwz0eczeakuezo1+t-...@mail.gmail.com

Re: startx vs. xdm

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Chris Bannister
 wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 01:31:51PM -0400, John L. Cunningham wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 09:20:02AM -0800, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> > In the process of trying to make xmonad work I've found
>> > that startx fails whereas xdm succeeds.  The logs are here.
>> > startx fails: http://carnot.yi.org/Xorg.0.log.old
>> > xdm succeeds: http://carnot.yi.org/Xorg.0.log
>> >
>> > My summary of the differences follows.
>> >
>> > Any insights to direct further studies?
>>
>> I would only note that startx and xdm don't necessarily look at the same
>> startup files.  xdm looks for .xsession and startx looks for .xinitrc.
>
> I use startx, and only have an .xsessionrc file. I know it is read
> because of the xterm settings.

Resources, whether for xterm, urxvt, or similar, usually are not
configured into .xinitrc, neither .xsession (I never used
.xsessionrc).  Instead they are specified in .Xresources and
.Xdefaults.  However it might be you "xrdb" them from .xsessionrc,
though .Xdefaults the old days was supposed to beloaded automatically
without being loaded through xrdb.

Now, to make both startx and xdm (and other DMs using .xsession) what
is required is to have .xinitrc with execute permissions (.xsession
requires them for for several DMs if I recall correctly since it gets
executed), and then create a link from .xinitrc to .xsession.

Also, from the old days, .Xdefaults can be a link to .Xresources, so
the resources loaded by default are the .Xresources.  Now a days, this
might have changed, some .xininitrc files even evaluate if .Xresources
exists to then "xrdb" them...

Thanks,

-- 
Javier.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/CALUrRGf_k8nB-Sti0sq=3ESXKCe4bq-ryn9-ezsHQ=5u38s...@mail.gmail.com

Re: .xinitrc doesn't work, .xsessionrc does! (was ... Re: startx vs. xdm)

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Chris Bannister
 wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:52:58AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Chris Bannister
>> > I use startx, and only have an .xsessionrc file. I know it is read
>> > because of the xterm settings.
>>
>> Resources, whether for xterm, urxvt, or similar, usually are not
>> configured into .xinitrc, neither .xsession (I never used
>> .xsessionrc).  Instead they are specified in .Xresources and
>> .Xdefaults.  However it might be you "xrdb" them from .xsessionrc,
>> though .Xdefaults the old days was supposed to beloaded automatically
>> without being loaded through xrdb.
>>
>> Now, to make both startx and xdm (and other DMs using .xsession) what
>> is required is to have .xinitrc with execute permissions (.xsession
>> requires them for for several DMs if I recall correctly since it gets
>> executed), and then create a link from .xinitrc to .xsession.
>
> If I don't call it .xsessionrc, startx doesn't work, it just dumps me
> back to the tty with:
>
> X.Org X Server 1.12.1.902 (1.12.2 RC 2)
> Release Date: 2012-05-19
> [snip other]
> xinit: connection to X server lost
>
> The screen doesn't even flicker.
>
> I am using fvwm, no DM at all.
>
> I have tried, .xinitrc, .xsession, with and without execute permission,
> all give above messageน: "xinit: connection to X server lost"
>
> I don't have either an ".Xdefaults" or a ".Xresources" file.
>
> .xsessionrc works whether it is executable or not
>
> น I also get that message when I quit fvwm. The point is, X doesn't even
> start in this case.

Have you tried not having your .xssesionrc at all?  Does it provide
the same result to you as with .xsessionrc?

I've been using .xinitrc and .xsession with plain fluxbox (no DE), to
work with plain startx or xdm (other DMs as well such as slim and
wdm), and I have had no problems for around 10 years (well I no longer
use slim neither wdm now a days)...  For setting resources I use
.Xresources and .Xdefaults.

Any ways if you look at the startx man page, you'll see at the bottom
the configuration files.  It only talks about .xinitrc, and .xserverrc
(not .xsessionrc), and I would not play around with .xserverrc, the
one in /etc works just fine.  There's even an example in the example
section there where they call twm.  The last thing to call is the
WM...  If the call for the WM is not there, then Xorg will just start
and then terminate.  But if the WM is called, and Xorg starts and
crashes, then you need to look at the Xorg errors...

If you look at the xdm man page, you'll notice as well in the overview
section, that ~/.xsession needs to be executable, and it's what the
xdm Xsession calls...  There's even an example in there where they
call twm as the WM...  If there's no WM, and you're not using a DE,
then Xorg will start and die.  Same thing with startx.

Now, this is the reason I recommended, to reduce maintaining several
initialization files, just provide execute permissions for .xinitrc,
and then make a link from it to .xsession.  Make sure you call the WM
as the last thing on .xinitrc, "exec startfluxbox" for example, and
don't worry about .Xresources and .Xdefaults yet.  BTW, startx does
not use .xession at all...

Can you provide the .xinitrc you're trying for your startx attempts?
As a fallback, before calling your WM, you can also call xterm, or
some other term, to keep Xorg up while the term is up...  If that
works, then it might be something is wrong when calling the WM...

-- 
Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/calurrgdvnhyonlpspg-xq+16knq4yija3b1xwcff5nsehzj...@mail.gmail.com

Re: .xinitrc doesn't work, .xsessionrc does! (was ... Re: startx vs. xdm)

[Javier Vasquez]

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Javier Vasquez
 wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Chris Bannister
>  wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:52:58AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Chris Bannister
>>> > I use startx, and only have an .xsessionrc file. I know it is read
>>> > because of the xterm settings.
>>>
>>> Resources, whether for xterm, urxvt, or similar, usually are not
>>> configured into .xinitrc, neither .xsession (I never used
>>> .xsessionrc).  Instead they are specified in .Xresources and
>>> .Xdefaults.  However it might be you "xrdb" them from .xsessionrc,
>>> though .Xdefaults the old days was supposed to beloaded automatically
>>> without being loaded through xrdb.
>>>
>>> Now, to make both startx and xdm (and other DMs using .xsession) what
>>> is required is to have .xinitrc with execute permissions (.xsession
>>> requires them for for several DMs if I recall correctly since it gets
>>> executed), and then create a link from .xinitrc to .xsession.
>>
>> If I don't call it .xsessionrc, startx doesn't work, it just dumps me
>> back to the tty with:
>>
>> X.Org X Server 1.12.1.902 (1.12.2 RC 2)
>> Release Date: 2012-05-19
>> [snip other]
>> xinit: connection to X server lost
>>
>> The screen doesn't even flicker.
>>
>> I am using fvwm, no DM at all.
>>
>> I have tried, .xinitrc, .xsession, with and without execute permission,
>> all give above messageน: "xinit: connection to X server lost"
>>
>> I don't have either an ".Xdefaults" or a ".Xresources" file.
>>
>> .xsessionrc works whether it is executable or not
>>
>> น I also get that message when I quit fvwm. The point is, X doesn't even
>> start in this case.
>
> Have you tried not having your .xssesionrc at all?  Does it provide
> the same result to you as with .xsessionrc?
>
> I've been using .xinitrc and .xsession with plain fluxbox (no DE), to
> work with plain startx or xdm (other DMs as well such as slim and
> wdm), and I have had no problems for around 10 years (well I no longer
> use slim neither wdm now a days)...  For setting resources I use
> .Xresources and .Xdefaults.
>
> Any ways if you look at the startx man page, you'll see at the bottom
> the configuration files.  It only talks about .xinitrc, and .xserverrc
> (not .xsessionrc), and I would not play around with .xserverrc, the
> one in /etc works just fine.  There's even an example in the example
> section there where they call twm.  The last thing to call is the
> WM...  If the call for the WM is not there, then Xorg will just start
> and then terminate.  But if the WM is called, and Xorg starts and
> crashes, then you need to look at the Xorg errors...
>
> If you look at the xdm man page, you'll notice as well in the overview
> section, that ~/.xsession needs to be executable, and it's what the
> xdm Xsession calls...  There's even an example in there where they
> call twm as the WM...  If there's no WM, and you're not using a DE,
> then Xorg will start and die.  Same thing with startx.
>
> Now, this is the reason I recommended, to reduce maintaining several
> initialization files, just provide execute permissions for .xinitrc,
> and then make a link from it to .xsession.  Make sure you call the WM
> as the last thing on .xinitrc, "exec startfluxbox" for example, and
> don't worry about .Xresources and .Xdefaults yet.  BTW, startx does
> not use .xession at all...
>
> Can you provide the .xinitrc you're trying for your startx attempts?
> As a fallback, before calling your WM, you can also call xterm, or
> some other term, to keep Xorg up while the term is up...  If that
> works, then it might be something is wrong when calling the WM...
>
> --
> Javier.

Hmm, just in case, as I don't see the example section in the debian
man page, though I see it in the startx arch man page, I'm copying the
.xinitrc example from the man page here:

**
EXAMPLE
   Below  is  a sample .xinitrc that starts several applications
and leaves the window manager running as the ''last'' application.
Assuming that the
   window manager has been configured properly, the user then
chooses the ''Exit'' menu item to shut down X.

   xrdb -load $HOME/.Xresources
   xsetroot -solid gray &
   xbiff -geometry -430+5 &
   oclock -geometry 75x75-0-0 &
   xload -geometry -80-0 &
   xterm -geometry +0+60 -l

Re: .xinitrc doesn't work, .xsessionrc does! (was ... Re: startx vs. xdm)

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Chris Bannister
 wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:14:54AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
>> Have you tried not having your .xssesionrc at all?  Does it provide
>> the same result to you as with .xsessionrc?
>
> Yes, except for:
>
> ...
>
> IOW, it reads .xsessionrc If I call it .xsession/.xinitrc it doesn't work,
> probably cause I haven't got the "exec fvwm &" cantation at the end of the
> .xsessionrc file.
>
> Starting fvwm is handled via the alternatives system:
>
> t@tal:~# update-alternatives --display x-window-manager
> x-window-manager - auto mode
>   link currently points to /usr/bin/fvwm2
> /usr/bin/fvwm2 - priority 50
> slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/fvwm2.1.gz
> Current 'best' version is '/usr/bin/fvwm2'.

Hmm, to me it doesn't matter, I call the WM from withing .xinitrc, as
the last thing to call:

% tail -1 ~/.xinitrc
exec startfluxbox

>
>> I've been using .xinitrc and .xsession with plain fluxbox (no DE), to
>> work with plain startx or xdm (other DMs as well such as slim and
>> wdm), and I have had no problems for around 10 years (well I no longer
>> use slim neither wdm now a days)...  For setting resources I use
>> .Xresources and .Xdefaults.
>
> What does: "update-alternatives --display x-window-manager" display for
> you?

Ups, again, it doesn't matter to me.  But as I only have fluxbox
installed, then that's what I expect to show up.  Any ways the output
on the debian boxes is:

% update-alternatives --display x-window-manager
x-window-manager - auto mode
  link currently points to /usr/bin/startfluxbox
/usr/bin/startfluxbox - priority 50
  slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/fluxbox.1.gz
Current 'best' version is '/usr/bin/startfluxbox'.

>
>> Any ways if you look at the startx man page, you'll see at the bottom
>> the configuration files.  It only talks about .xinitrc, and .xserverrc
>> (not .xsessionrc), and I would not play around with .xserverrc, the
>
> I read about .xsessionrc somewhere, can't remember where, cause I was
> having trouble on an upgrade. Not sure if it was etch -> lenny,
> or lenny -> squeeze
>
>> Now, this is the reason I recommended, to reduce maintaining several
>> initialization files, just provide execute permissions for .xinitrc,
>> and then make a link from it to .xsession.  Make sure you call the WM
>
> Already now you have two initialization files. :)
> I could get away with none (no .xinitrc, no .xsession, no .xsessionrc)
> but then I'd have to put all configuration in the "~/.fvwm/config" file.

:-)  As you wish.  BTW, .Xresources is not a initialization script,
its purpose is to specify the X applications resources, for example
the ones I have for xautolock and xlockmore:

% 'grep' 'X.*ock' ~/.Xresources
Xautolock.locker:   xlock
Xautolock.time: 5
XLock.mode: blank
XLock.lockdelay:0
XLock.timeout:  25
XLock.background:   black
XLock.foreground:   red
XLock.mousemotion:  on

This is pretty independent upon the WM, so I prefer to set this in
.Xresources, than any other way...  I've played around with fvwm2,
blackbox, and other WMs, and the .Xresources remains invariant for all
of them, :-)

>
> Although the default setup is quite good. That is, if you don't have a
> "~/.fvwm/config" file.
>
>> BTW, startx does not use .xession at all...
>
> Right.
>
>> Can you provide the .xinitrc you're trying for your startx attempts?
>
> See above explanation.
>
>> As a fallback, before calling your WM, you can also call xterm, or
>> some other term, to keep Xorg up while the term is up...  If that
>> works, then it might be something is wrong when calling the WM...
>
> JTFR, there *IS* no problem. This may be because I'm using fvwm which is
> hooked into the alternatives system *AND* has a working default.
>
> IOW, if I try some other WM, I could very well need an .xinitrc with
> some "exec  &" cantation, BUT it looks like it is handled
> by the alternatives system. Using .xinitrc could be defunct, but no one
> has told us. :-)

Nope, .xinitrc works just fine.  You need to call the WM from there,
that's it.  It's been working for years, and keeps working today.

Actually it works on other distros the same way it does for debian,
:-)  That's the part of its beauty...  I use it on debian and arch,
and I have also used it on sourceMage essentially without variations.

XDM also works the same way with .xsession on all distros I've tried.

So nothing of this has been deprecated yet.

&g

Re: Debian 6 64-bit and Openbox: Opinions, Suggestions, Pitfalls.

[Javier Vasquez]

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Klistvud  wrote:
> ...
> My reasons for abandoning the desktop environment and
> going pure Openbox is more philosophical than practical.
>  My current Fedora 12 64-bit system with GNOME runs
> just fine even with the CPU running most of the time at
> 1/3rd speed.  It's just that I abhor the waste of "cool"
> features that serve no purpose other than to impress.
> Wow!  Cl!  At least, with Linux I have a choice.
>  If I were running Windows or OSX . . .
>
> B

FYI, fluxbox might be an alternative for that purpose as well (my
choice), but there are others like fvwm2, pekwm, icewm, etc...  I use
fluxbox on coppermine (<=800MHz) , on penryn (2.20 GHz), on lemote
mini-pcs, and it works pretty nice/light on all of them, besides being
good looking if you want it to be, :-)

-- 
Javier.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Archive: 
http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=_-bn8jyptbegkrmtczqgjsxk+u8hzwt8th...@mail.gmail.com