can't upgrade/re-install pkgs

2003-10-15 Thread J Y
If you reply to this please cc me thanks.

Maybe there's a better way to do this? I'm trying to get my system
working right (Debian3.0 w/k7 kernel) There are some packages and
modules that don't work i.e alsa or sound, the screensaver module can't
be loaded,and others. So I ran /usr/sbin/base-config  
I get to this point in the process after the base-config has scanned  
the cdrom where it no longer seems to recognize the cdrom. That is it
did and then it doesn't. And even though My internet connection is up it
now won't connect to debian for security upgrades either. I did start
the security upgreade process once and it worked then.. Any ideas on this? 
Here is ismod results ( I have hdd=ide-scsi in my grub boot menu perhaps
that's not correct for debian?)
 
And why can't I copy and paste from kword to mozilla in Debian?! 
 
deblnx:/home/john# lsmod 
Module  Size  Used byNot tainted 
isofs  24864   0  (autoclean) 
printer 5696   0 
ac973024   0  (unused) 
ide-tape   49600   0 
agpgart30688   0  (unused) 
keybdev 1696   0  (unused) 
usbkbd  2944   0  (unused) 
input   3424   0  [keybdev usbkbd] 
rtc 5592   0  (autoclean) 
usb-uhci   21508   0  (unused) 
usbcore49696   1  [printer usbkbd usb-uhci] 
ide-scsi7680   0 
scsi_mod   86328   1  [ide-scsi] 
parport_pc 22280   1  (autoclean) 
lp  6496   0  (autoclean) 
parport23360   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] 
unix   13636  78  (autoclean) 
ide-disk6816   2  (autoclean) 
ide-probe-mod   8096   0  (autoclean) 
ide-mod   131404   2  (autoclean) [ide-tape ide-scsi
ide-disk ide-probe-mod] 
ext3   57248   1  (autoclean) 
jbd35640   1  (autoclean) [ext3] 
deblnx:/home/john#

Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main kdelibs3
4:2.2.2-13.woody.8 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main ark 4:2.2.2-9.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libarts
4:2.2.2-13.woody.8 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libkmid
4:2.2.2-13.woody.8 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main noatun 4:2.2.2-8.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libarts-mpeglib
4:2.2.2-8.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main artsbuilder 4:2.2.2-8.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main mpeglib 4:2.2.2-8.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main balsa 1.2.4-2.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main libcupsys2 1.1.14-5 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'debian 3.0 dvd' in the
drive '/cdrom/' and press enter 
 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main cupsys-pstoraster
1.1.14-5 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main cupsys 1.1.14-5 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main cvs 1.11.1p1debian-8.1 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main fetchmail 5.9.11-6.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main fetchmail-common
5.9.11-6.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main glibc-doc 2.2.5-11.5 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main gs-common 0.3.3.0woody1 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main idle-python2.1 2.1.3-3.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main idle 2.1.3-3.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) 
Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main kab 4:2.2.2-9.2 
  Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http

Can't mount cdrom

2003-09-14 Thread J Y
I am running debian 3.0 on an Athlon...
Still trying to get basic functions working  after 
lots of problems w/ x configuration. 
When I try to mount my cdrom, either from a terminal 
or graphically I get; mount fs type iso9660 not
supported by kernal. The cdrom is listed in /etc/fstab.
What am I doing wrong here?
Also I cannot configure my modem. Its listed correctly in 
/etc/ppp/peers but if I enter "pon" at a terminal I just get
a message to edit the aforementined file. My modem works in Mandrake/SuSe.
If anyone can help-great. I'd like to actually use Debian. Thanks!!

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unrecognized option

2003-09-15 Thread J Y
option '/dev/ttyS4' 
debianlnx:/dev#

 /dev/ttyS4 is the correct location of my pci modem. It is not a winmodem. 
 It is recognized by Mandrake & and, when I had it om my system, SuSE. 
 Is there something I need to edit to get debian to accept this modem  
   
 location? Thanks, and I hope my mail/message format is now acceptable. 

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re: unrecognized option

2003-09-15 Thread J Y
For some unknown reason my orginal terminal output message was truncated
here is what I pasted into the orginal message:

debianlnx:/dev# pon highstream.net 
/usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net: unrecognized
option '/dev/ttyS4' 
debianlnx:/dev#

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Can't get modem recognized

2003-09-18 Thread J Y
Although I am able to use the modem in Mandrake & SuSE I can't get 
Debian 3.0 to see the modem. It (the modem ) is located at /dev/ttyS4. I
used ppp config to set up and the info is in there correctly. KPPP
doesn't work and when I use pon at a terminal window I get a message
that says 'unrecognized option /dev/ttyS4'. Why can't I set this up in
debian? Do I have to actually move the modem from the pci slot it's in?
  Thanks

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Can't get modem recognized Pt 2

2003-09-18 Thread J Y
To follow up (I had provided some of this in an earlier post-sorry I 
didn't include it in the recent one) This modem is not a winmodem it is
an internal PCI slot modem located at /dev/ttyS4.  
I have been unable to figure out how to get it recognized. Looking in 
/dev I don't see a /ttyS4 I tried to copy and rename another similar 
file but  that doesn't work. Any suggestions?? 
 
J Y wrote: 
> Although I am able to use the modem in Mandrake & SuSE I can't get  
> Debian 3.0 to see the modem. It (the modem ) is located at /dev/ttyS4. I 
> used ppp config to set up and the info is in there correctly. KPPP 
> doesn't work and when I use pon at a terminal window I get a message 
> that says 'unrecognized option /dev/ttyS4'. Why can't I set this up in 
> debian? Do I have to actually move the modem from the pci slot it's in? 
>   Thanks 
>  
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Is it a winmodem? 
 
Maybe the other distros you tried came with a precompiled kernel with a  
winmodem driver. 
 
If it is not a winmodem check your serial configuration, maybe that  
device does not exist it is /dev/ttyS0 or 1 or 2 
 
Also if it is not a winmodem try minicom and see if you can communicate  
with the modem or not. 
 
There are a lot of web pages about strings you can send to your modem to  
initialize it, generally ATZ works.. though some modems require more  
than that to work (my old 28.8 needed more..) 
 
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re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread J Y
I re-installed deb3.0 and it looked great only two pkgs broke. 
BUT I screwed up and selected the wrong mouse type. Now I can 
login to a great looking desktop but I can't use it! :( 
There's a dialog box open at start up ( no big deal) but I can't 
alt+function key to a terminal/shell. If I could open a shell I 
could just run xconfig again. Does anyone know if there's some 
easy way out of this?? Thanks 

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Re: re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread J Y
Thanks..yes I know the command to reconfigure the xserver & mouse. I
just can't get a terminal window to open. Well I did actually in Gnome
but there was a dialogue box in front of the shell and I couldn't see
the terminal window. After hobbling about the desktop with an erratic
mouse and then just the tab an arrow keys I must have done more damage
to the system because now the keyboard doesn't work in debian either. It
works fine in SuSe, (where I'm writing this from). I don't believe that
one mistake means I need to to do yet another re-install.oh well.  

Quoting Tom Badran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tuesday 23 Sep 2003 16:28, J Y wrote:
> > I re-installed deb3.0 and it looked great only two pkgs broke.
> > BUT I screwed up and selected the wrong mouse type. Now I can
> > login to a great looking desktop but I can't use it! :(
> > There's a dialog box open at start up ( no big deal) but I can't
> > alt+function key to a terminal/shell. If I could open a shell I
> > could just run xconfig again. Does anyone know if there's some
> > easy way out of this?? Thanks
>
> dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common (might be xfree86-server)
>
> Tom
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Re: re-installation snag wrong mouse selected

2003-09-23 Thread J Y
Thanks to everyone. I was able to resolve this snag I did finally get an
open view of the shell in kde and reconfigured-whew! Debian is great!! I
just sometimes don't have the patience and knowledge to administer it. 
(writing down ctrl-alt-F1) I thought I hit every key combination ;)
JY

Quoting Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:35:28AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > Thanks..yes I know the command to reconfigure the xserver & mouse. I
> > just can't get a terminal window to open. Well I did actually in Gnome
> > but there was a dialogue box in front of the shell and I couldn't see
> > the terminal window. After hobbling about the desktop with an erratic
> > mouse and then just the tab an arrow keys I must have done more damage
> > to the system because now the keyboard doesn't work in debian either. It
> > works fine in SuSe, (where I'm writing this from). I don't believe that
> > one mistake means I need to to do yet another re-install.oh well.
>
> Stop right there: you shouldn't need to reinstall. Have you tried
> Ctrl-Alt-F1 yet? (The lists are slow so my earlier post saying this
> doesn't seem to have made it; cc'ing you explicitly just in case
> something's stuck.)
>
> Cheers,
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pppd daemon dies

2003-09-27 Thread J Y
Hi Can anyone give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong?  I keep
getting failure to authenticate messages. the following is from the kppp
details box: 

Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: The remote system is required to
authenticate itself 
Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: but I couldn't find any suitable
secret (password) for it to use to do so. 
Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: (None of the available passwords
would let it use an IP address.)
 
I  went to kde/kppp site and read there that commenting out the 
'auth' line in /etc/ppp/otions could be a fix but it wasn't. So I copied
the /etc/ppp/options file from my SuSE distro but that didn't work either.
Here's the results of pon 

deblnx:~# pon highstream.net 
Serial connection established.: 
using channel 2 
Using interface ppp0 
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS4 
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1   
] 
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 < 00 04 00 00>  
 < 1b 04 02 02>] 
sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 00 04 00 00>  < 1b 04 02 02>] 
rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1   
] 
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2   
  ] 
sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x2 ] 
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3   
  ] 
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3   
  ] 
sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xcf506a80] 
sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 user="[EMAIL PROTECTED],net" password=] 
rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0] 
rcvd [PAP AuthNak id=0x1 ""] 
PAP authentication failed 
sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to authenticate ourselves to 
peer"] 
rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2] 
Connection terminated. 
deblnx:~#

Once again thanks..JY

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: Re: pppd daemon dies

2003-09-27 Thread J Y
After adding 'noauth'  to /etc/ppp/options kppp still fails with this
message: 
 
Sep 27 13:00:46 deblnx pppd[1153]: The remote system is required to
authenticate itself 
Sep 27 13:00:46 deblnx pppd[1153]: but I couldn't find any suitable
secret (password) for it to use to do so. 
Sep 27 13:00:46 deblnx pppd[1153]: (None of the available passwords
would let it use an IP address.) 
 
and wvdial has this output.  
 
deblnx:~# wvdial 
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.53 
--> Initializing modem. 
--> Sending: ATZ 
ATZ 
OK 
--> Modem initialized. 
--> Sending: ATDT3124074 
--> Waiting for carrier. 
ATDT3124074 
CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS 
--> Carrier detected.  Waiting for prompt. 
Level 3 Comm nas1.alb1 UQKT2 
Username:/login:/Login: 
--> Looks like a login prompt. 
--> Sending: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Password: 
--> Looks like a password prompt. 
--> Sending: (password) 
Entering PPP Session. 
IP address is 67.75.62.220 
MTU is 1500. 
--> Looks like a welcome message. 
--> Starting pppd at Sat Sep 27 12:47:17 2003 
--> pid of pppd: 959 
No internet connection occurs. I think in other distros I would get a  
'we are connected' message from wvdial, but I haven't used wvdial in
awhile. I don't know what the  
'pid of ppd: (###)' signifies 
 
pon highstream.net dryrun gives this output: 
 
/highstream.net) 
/dev/ttyS4  # (from /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net)115200   
  # (from /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net) 
lock# (from /etc/ppp/options) 
connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/highstream.net # (from
/etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net) 
crtscts # (from /etc/ppp/options) 
modem   # (from /etc/ppp/options) 
asyncmap 0  # (from /etc/ppp/options) 
lcp-echo-failure 4  # (from /etc/ppp/options) 
lcp-echo-interval 30# (from /etc/ppp/options) 
hide-password   # (from /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net)ipparam
highstream.net  # (from /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net) 
noipdefault # (from
/etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net)defaultroute# (from
/etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net)proxyarp# (from
/etc/ppp/options) 
usepeerdns  # (from /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net)noipx
  # (from /etc/ppp/options) 
deblnx:~# 
 
using pon without the dryrun gets the modem to dial (well all these
programs do that) but nothing else happens 
there isn't even any screen output with 'pon highstream.net" 
I do appreciate the responses. I will keep working on it. Thanks JY 


Subject: Re: pppd daemon dies
To: J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 01:03:30AM -0800, J Y wrote:
>
> I  went to kde/kppp site and read there that commenting out the
> 'auth' line in /etc/ppp/otions could be a fix but it wasn't. So I copied
> the /etc/ppp/options file from my SuSE distro but that didn't work either.
>


  Do you still get auth when you issue

pon highstream.net dryrun

If so, perhaps other files under /etc/ppp have auth commented in?

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grub setup is driving me crazy

2003-09-28 Thread J Y
Hi I am very grateful for the community here and I appreciate the help I
received. I will be trying to get my internet connection going when I
reboot into debian. Which brings me to my issue of the moment :(
I really have tried so many things to be able to boot from the grub SuSE
installs (version .92) I think. Currently I boot from a floopy. I read
the grub editing procedure which is made to sound simple but I can not
get debian to boot froom grub. I have edited /boot/grub/menu.1st every
way I can think of/copy from other how-tos. At best I get a filesystem
not found. I had been getting a start up and then 'kernel panic'. The
specifics, sorry, its early in the morning and I have just thrown the
damn SuSE manual against the floor, Debian 3.0 is on hdb5 my 2nd hard
drive. I know that grub numbers drives starting from 0 so hdb5 = (hd1,4). 
This is my current (not working) /boot/grub/menu.1st debian listing:

title debian3.0
   kernel (hd1,4)/boot/vmlinuz root=dev/hdb5
   initrd (hd1,4)/initrd

I have tried putting /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 for the kernel with video
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Re: pppd daemon dies follow-up

2003-09-28 Thread J Y
I seem to be batting zero. So I'll take a break.
And come back to it. 
Adding noauth from kppp or internet dialer as described below just got
me a 'ppp daemon died unexpectedly' message and the details box said
that noauth is only available to root. removing noauth from the kppp
setup (I edited /etc/ppp/options with 'noauth') gets me a connecting to
network message...but it ain't so! I don't get any error messages but
there is no connection. the browsers just say 'can't find the url'. lynx
however says there is no connection. 
When I type pon highstream.net the modem dials up (as it does with kppp
and wvdial) then it just sits there. No messages. when I type poff the
terminal message is no pppd running and none stopped. 

Quoting cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:52, Thomas Krennwallner wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > On Sat Sep 27, 2003 at 01:03:30AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > > Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: The remote system is required to
> > > authenticate itself Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: but I couldn't
> > > find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. Sep 26
> > > 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: (None of the available passwords would let
> it
> > > use an IP address.)
> > >
> > > I  went to kde/kppp site and read there that commenting out the
> > > 'auth' line in /etc/ppp/otions could be a fix but it wasn't. So I
> copied
> > > the /etc/ppp/options file from my SuSE distro but that didn't work
> > > either.
> >
> > Add following line to /etc/ppp/options:
> >
> > noauth
> >
> > So long
> > Thomas
>
> Or alternatively, after bringing up Kppp, go
>
> Setup ->  [select account] -> Edit -> Customise pppd -> [type in ] noauth 
> ->
> Add
>
> I've just had to do that, half an hour ago, and it works.
>
> (I just did a complete reinstall of Woody, for various reasons).
>
> Curiously though, /etc/ppp/options still has  'auth'  in it,   while
> /etc/ppp/peers/provider   has  'noauth' (and already did, I think, even
> when
> I was having that 'drop-out' problem mentioned above).   I don't know how
> the
> two inter-relate, but evidently what I did in Kppp has changed something
> else
> somewhere.I was intending to ask for some clarification on this list.
>
> Other question - what's the 'proper' way to give a user (me) access to
ppp?
>
> I can think of a couple of ways that might work but I might as well do it
> the
> 'proper' way.   I don't need high security (being the only user) but I'm
> sure
> I shouldn't be posting as root;)
>
> cr
>
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Re: pppd daemon dies follow-up+

2003-09-28 Thread J Y
I forgot to add, sorry, that I tried all of this i.e. pon, wvdial , kppp
logged in as root with identical results. Thanks.

Quoting J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I seem to be batting zero. So I'll take a break.
> And come back to it.
> Adding noauth from kppp or internet dialer as described below just got
> me a 'ppp daemon died unexpectedly' message and the details box said
> that noauth is only available to root. removing noauth from the kppp
> setup (I edited /etc/ppp/options with 'noauth') gets me a connecting to
> network message...but it ain't so! I don't get any error messages but
> there is no connection. the browsers just say 'can't find the url'. lynx
> however says there is no connection.
> When I type pon highstream.net the modem dials up (as it does with kppp
> and wvdial) then it just sits there. No messages. when I type poff the
> terminal message is no pppd running and none stopped.
>
> Quoting cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:52, Thomas Krennwallner wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > On Sat Sep 27, 2003 at 01:03:30AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > > > Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: The remote system is required to
> > > > authenticate itself Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: but I
couldn't
> > > > find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. Sep 26
> > > > 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: (None of the available passwords would
> let
> > it
> > > > use an IP address.)
> > > >
> > > > I  went to kde/kppp site and read there that commenting out the
> > > > 'auth' line in /etc/ppp/otions could be a fix but it wasn't. So I
> > copied
> > > > the /etc/ppp/options file from my SuSE distro but that didn't work
> > > > either.
> > >
> > > Add following line to /etc/ppp/options:
> > >
> > > noauth
> > >
> > > So long
> > > Thomas
> >
> > Or alternatively, after bringing up Kppp, go
> >
> > Setup ->  [select account] -> Edit -> Customise pppd -> [type in ]
noauth
>
> > ->
> > Add
> >
> > I've just had to do that, half an hour ago, and it works.
> >
> > (I just did a complete reinstall of Woody, for various reasons).
> >
> > Curiously though, /etc/ppp/options still has  'auth'  in it,   while
> > /etc/ppp/peers/provider   has  'noauth' (and already did, I think, even
> > when
> > I was having that 'drop-out' problem mentioned above).   I don't
know how
> > the
> > two inter-relate, but evidently what I did in Kppp has changed something
> > else
> > somewhere.I was intending to ask for some clarification on this
list.
> >
> > Other question - what's the 'proper' way to give a user (me) access to
> ppp?
> >
> > I can think of a couple of ways that might work but I might as well
do it
> > the
> > 'proper' way.   I don't need high security (being the only user) but I'm
> > sure
> > I shouldn't be posting as root;)
> >
> > cr
> >
> >
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Re: pppd daemon dies

2003-09-28 Thread J Y
I don't know minicom at all. I've never used it. I have been 
thinking that I'm an idiot lately since I can't resolve this
problem. I don't think it has anything to do with my isp or I 
wouldn't be able to connect with SuSE 8.1 & (yuck) Win ME, and tonight I
installed slackware 9.0 just 15 minutes ago, probably to prove I have
some brain cells left, and I plugged in my info and here I am using
slack and on the internet. I'm not looking for flame. I just don't know
what more to do with kppp or pppconfigure; /etc/ppp/options-pap-secerets
chap. I have looked at and edited more files read more man pages..yadda
yadda. I will reboot into deb and set up debug as someone else here
recommended. We'll see thanks again to all this has been a real hard to
figure out problem. JY

Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 01:03:30AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > Hi Can anyone give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong?  I keep
> > getting failure to authenticate messages. the following is from the kppp
> > details box: 
> > 
> > Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: The remote system is required to
> > authenticate itself 
> > Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: but I couldn't find any suitable
> > secret (password) for it to use to do so. 
> > Sep 26 05:42:22 deblnx pppd[1178]: (None of the available passwords
> > would let it use an IP address.)
> >  
> > I  went to kde/kppp site and read there that commenting out the 
> > 'auth' line in /etc/ppp/otions could be a fix but it wasn't. So I copied
> > the /etc/ppp/options file from my SuSE distro but that didn't work
> either.
> > Here's the results of pon 
> > 
> > deblnx:~# pon highstream.net 
> > Serial connection established.: 
> > using channel 2 
> > Using interface ppp0 
> > Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS4 
> > sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1   
> > ] 
> > rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 < 00 04 00 00>  
> >  > [MAC:00:c0:7b:8c:49:bf]> < 1b 04 02 02>] 
> > sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 00 04 00 00>  < 1b 04 02 02>] 
> > rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1   
> > ] 
> > rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2   
> >   ] 
> > sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x2 ] 
> > rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3   
> >   ] 
> > sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3   
> >   ] 
> > sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xcf506a80] 
> > sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 user="[EMAIL PROTECTED],net"
> password= den>] 
> > rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0] 
> > rcvd [PAP AuthNak id=0x1 ""] 
> > PAP authentication failed 
> > sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to authenticate ourselves to 
> > peer"] 
> > rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2] 
> > Connection terminated. 
> > deblnx:~#
>
> The only time I have had anything similar to this, it was the ISP's
> box playing up. I tried connecting with minicom and entering my
> username and password by hand, and the server rejected the password.
> All I could do was wait until the ISP fixed it. Can you connect with
> minicom?
>
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Re: pppd daemon dies is a permissions problem? help?

2003-09-30 Thread J Y
Hi, I did the following: 
 
Copy  /etc/ppp/peers/provider   as  /etc/ppp/peers/orcon 
and edit the file 'orcon' to suit  (e.g. include 'noauth', and in my case  
comment out the sample chat script 
# connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" ) 
 
Then, to use the 'call' option with Kppp, just do  
 
Setup -> (Orcon Internet) -> Edit -> pppd arguments ->  
[type in:]  call orcon   -> Add 
 
 
Hope I've got this right. 
 
cr 
 
and got this response from internet dialer/kppp: 
 
Sep 3023:00:23 deblnx ppd(1626): Can't open options file
/etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net: Permission denied   I know that this is a
permissions problem, now, But I don't know how to fix it. I have tried a
chmod ug +x on the file 'highstream.net" but that didn't work. I can't
imagine that I need to change permissions or owner for the whole file
listing. What is the answer to this please?  Thanks
 
 
 

Quoting cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:58, John Hasler wrote:
> > cr writes:
> > > Other question - what's the 'proper' way to give a user (me) access to
> > > ppp?
> >
> > Add the user to the dip group.  It is not necessary to add the user to
> > dialout as pppd opens the device while running as root.
>
> Thanks!   I added myself to the dip group, and sure enough kppp now starts
> up
> for me.
>
> I also remembered to add 'noauth' as an option in my kppp setup (which
> worked
> fine when I was dialling as root).However, Kppp dials in, OK, but as
> soon
> as connection is established it drops out with 'using noauth option
> requires
> root privilege'.
>
> If I remove the noauth option, then I'm back to the previous error of
> 'remote
> system is required to authenticate itself'.
>
> The obvious 'fix' of adding myself to group 'root' is, I think, not a good
> idea   ;)
>
> However I seem to have fixed it - I'll include this in case it helps
> anyone:
>
> /etc/ppp/options   says:
>
> # Require the peer to authenticate itself before allowing network
> # packets to be sent or received.
> # Please do not disable this setting. It is expected to be standard in
> # future releases of pppd. Use the call option (see manpage) to disable
> # authentication for specific peers.
> auth
>
> So probably changing it to 'noauth' would work, but is, I assume, not
> approved. (And, reading between the lines, auth may be 'hard-wired' in
> in
> newer pppd's?)
>
> The 'correct' way seems to be  (my ISP is called 'Orcon' for purposes of
> illustration):
>
> Copy  /etc/ppp/peers/provider   as  /etc/ppp/peers/orcon
> and edit the file 'orcon' to suit  (e.g. include 'noauth', and in my case
> comment out the sample chat script
> # connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" )
>
> Then, to use the 'call' option with Kppp, just do
>
> Setup -> (Orcon Internet) -> Edit -> pppd arguments ->
> [type in:]  call orcon   -> Add
>
>
> Hope I've got this right.
>
> cr
>
>
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I'm not on the users list anymore???

2003-09-30 Thread J Y
Would someone email me if this list is still working. I am not getting
any messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have my comments been
that offensive?? :(

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Is the list working????

2003-09-30 Thread J Y
I've been removed from the [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ???
I can't believe it! :0

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permissions problem

2003-09-30 Thread J Y
Hi,  (by the way I'm not on the lists anymore and don't seem to be able
to resubscribe-if someone replies I'll read the reply in the
archives-thanks)
  I did the following: 

Copy  /etc/ppp/peers/provider   as  /etc/ppp/peers/orcon  
and edit the file 'orcon' to suit  (e.g. include 'noauth', and in my case   
comment out the sample chat script  
# connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" )  
  
Then, to use the 'call' option with Kppp, just do   
  
Setup -> (Orcon Internet) -> Edit -> pppd arguments ->   
[type in:]  call orcon   -> Add  
  
  
Hope I've got this right.  
  
cr  
 
  
and got this response from internet dialer/kppp:  
  
Sep 3023:00:23 deblnx ppd(1626): Can't open options file 
/etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net: Permission denied   I know that this is a 
permissions problem, now, But I don't know how to fix it. I have tried a 
chmod ug +x on the file 'highstream.net" but that didn't work. I can't 
imagine that I need to change permissions or owner for the whole file 
listing. What is the answer to this please?  Thanks 
  
  
  
 
Quoting cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
 
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:58, John Hasler wrote: 
> > cr writes: 
> > > Other question - what's the 'proper' way to give a user (me) 
access to 
> > > ppp? 
> > 
> > Add the user to the dip group.  It is not necessary to add the user to 
> > dialout as pppd opens the device while running as root. 
> 
> Thanks!   I added myself to the dip group, and sure enough kppp now
starts 
> up 
> for me. 
> 
> I also remembered to add 'noauth' as an option in my kppp setup (which 
> worked 
> fine when I was dialling as root).However, Kppp dials in, OK, but as 
> soon 
> as connection is established it drops out with 'using noauth option 
> requires 
> root privilege'. 
> 
> If I remove the noauth option, then I'm back to the previous error of 
> 'remote 
> system is required to authenticate itself'. 
> 
> The obvious 'fix' of adding myself to group 'root' is, I think, not a
good 
> idea   ;) 
> 
> However I seem to have fixed it - I'll include this in case it helps 
> anyone: 
> 
> /etc/ppp/options   says: 
> 
> # Require the peer to authenticate itself before allowing network 
> # packets to be sent or received. 
> # Please do not disable this setting. It is expected to be standard in 
> # future releases of pppd. Use the call option (see manpage) to disable 
> # authentication for specific peers. 
> auth 
> 
> So probably changing it to 'noauth' would work, but is, I assume, not 
> approved. (And, reading between the lines, auth may be
'hard-wired' in 
> in 
> newer pppd's?) 
> 
> The 'correct' way seems to be  (my ISP is called 'Orcon' for purposes of 
> illustration): 
> 
> Copy  /etc/ppp/peers/provider   as  /etc/ppp/peers/orcon 
> and edit the file 'orcon' to suit  (e.g. include 'noauth', and in my case 
> comment out the sample chat script 
> # connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" ) 
> 
> Then, to use the 'call' option with Kppp, just do 
> 
> Setup -> (Orcon Internet) -> Edit -> pppd arguments -> 
> [type in:]  call orcon   -> Add 
> 
> 
> Hope I've got this right. 
> 
> cr

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Re: pppd daemon dies is a permissions problem? help?

2003-10-01 Thread J Y
Thanks and where is group dip located? I did a whereis and locate for
dip but got hundrends of files. Really thanks again.

Quoting cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:32, J Y wrote:
> > Hi, I did the following:
> >
> > Copy  /etc/ppp/peers/provider   as  /etc/ppp/peers/orcon
> > and edit the file 'orcon' to suit  (e.g. include 'noauth', and in my
case
> > comment out the sample chat script
> > # connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" )
> >
> > Then, to use the 'call' option with Kppp, just do
> >
> > Setup -> (Orcon Internet) -> Edit -> pppd arguments ->
> > [type in:]  call orcon   -> Add
> >
> >
> > Hope I've got this right.
> >
> > cr
> >
> > and got this response from internet dialer/kppp:
> >
> > Sep 3023:00:23 deblnx ppd(1626): Can't open options file
> > /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net: Permission denied   I know that this is a
> > permissions problem, now, But I don't know how to fix it. I have tried a
> > chmod ug +x on the file 'highstream.net" but that didn't work. I can't
> > imagine that I need to change permissions or owner for the whole file
> > listing. What is the answer to this please?  Thanks
>
> (Copy to J Y in case he's still not getting the list posts)
>
> I'm no expert at all, but for what it's worth, my file
> /etc/ppp/peers/orcon   is as follows:
>
> -rw-r-1 root dip   580 Oct  1 10:28 orcon
>
> (I didn't set any of that specially, it was just what the sample file
> 'provider' had)
> and I'd already added myself (as user cr) to group  dip.
>
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Re: Is the list working????

2003-10-01 Thread J Y
Hmm I guess I could be losing it, and I replied to this message by
saying that I don't believe I was a vitim of swen since my inbox at
x-mail has a large allowence, and I was not over capacity. That message
which I sent about an hour ago never appeared but one I sent 15 minutes
ago did. 
???
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Re: pppd daemon dies is a permissions problem? failure

2003-10-01 Thread J Y
I never dreamed that this would be such a difficult problem.I added
myself to the dip group (perhaps I was already there because the number
beside my user name (in /etc/group)was 1000. Anyway I added myself to
pppusers and dialout too. And the very same message:
 "Can't open options file /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net: Permission
 denied"  appears. I did a chown 777 on the whole string of files but
still the same error message. Yes I am discouraged. Thanks for the help 
and if anyone has any ideas I still will give it a shot. I'm out of ideas. 

Quoting J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Thanks and where is group dip located? I did a whereis and locate for
> dip but got hundrends of files. Really thanks again.
>
> Quoting cr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:32, J Y wrote:
> > > Hi, I did the following:
> > >
> > > Copy  /etc/ppp/peers/provider   as  /etc/ppp/peers/orcon
> > > and edit the file 'orcon' to suit  (e.g. include 'noauth', and in my
> case
> > > comment out the sample chat script
> > > # connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" )
> > >
> > > Then, to use the 'call' option with Kppp, just do
> > >
> > > Setup -> (Orcon Internet) -> Edit -> pppd arguments ->
> > > [type in:]  call orcon   -> Add
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope I've got this right.
> > >
> > > cr
> > >
> > > and got this response from internet dialer/kppp:
> > >
> > > Sep 3023:00:23 deblnx ppd(1626): Can't open options file
> > > /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net: Permission denied   I know that this is
> a
> > > permissions problem, now, But I don't know how to fix it. I have tried
> a
> > > chmod ug +x on the file 'highstream.net" but that didn't work. I can't
> > > imagine that I need to change permissions or owner for the whole file
> > > listing. What is the answer to this please?  Thanks
> >
> > (Copy to J Y in case he's still not getting the list posts)
> >
> > I'm no expert at all, but for what it's worth, my file
> > /etc/ppp/peers/orcon   is as follows:
> >
> > -rw-r-1 root dip   580 Oct  1 10:28 orcon
> >
> > (I didn't set any of that specially, it was just what the sample file
> > 'provider' had)
> > and I'd already added myself (as user cr) to group  dip.
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Re: pppd daemon dies is a permissions problem? failure

2003-10-01 Thread J Y
I tried some other things like 1) uncommenting the auth line in
/etc/ppp/options> I tried to apt-get install ppp and the response was
the current version is the most recent. I ran linuxconf and made sure I
was in the ppp group-I am. I also uncommented debug in /etc/ppp/ttyS4
options. That's my modem. When I ran kppp this time, as a regular user
the message from kppp was: "timeout expired while waiting for the PPP
interface to come up". The detail box provided: 

Oct  1 17:15:16 deblnx pppd[1049]: pppd 2.4.1 started by john, uid 1000 
Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Terminating on signal 15. 
Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Connect script failed 
Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Exit.

Quoting John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> J Y writes:
> > Thanks for the help and if anyone has any ideas I still will give it a
> > shot. I'm out of ideas.
>
> Run pppconfig as root to configure ppp.  Use pon to start the connection
> and poff to stop it.  If you require a GUI install gpppon.
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Re: pppd daemon dies is a permissions problem? failure

2003-10-01 Thread J Y
Sorry John I some how sent this 1st message toy ou instead of to the
list. I only realized it when the post didn't appear. My apologies. 
Quoting John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
 
> J Y writes: 
> > Thanks for the help and if anyone has any ideas I still will give it a 
> > shot. I'm out of ideas. 
> 
> Run pppconfig as root to configure ppp.  Use pon to start the connection 
> and poff to stop it.  If you require a GUI install gpppon. 
> -- 
 
  I ran pppconfig in root account, there didn't seem to be a password in 
the configuration I edited so I was hopeful. I entered the password I 
use to login with my isp; saved the configuration and exited. 
(Everything else in the highstream.net configuration was/is correct) 
 
I typed pon highstream.net at a terminal/shell. The modem dialed; there 
was no terminal output. I tried to use mozilla and just got that the 
location couldn't be found. When I typed poff at the terminal the 
terminal output was: "no pppd is running none stopped"
Quoting J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I tried some other things like 1) uncommenting the auth line in
> /etc/ppp/options> I tried to apt-get install ppp and the response was
> the current version is the most recent. I ran linuxconf and made sure I
> was in the ppp group-I am. I also uncommented debug in /etc/ppp/ttyS4
> options. That's my modem. When I ran kppp this time, as a regular user
> the message from kppp was: "timeout expired while waiting for the PPP
> interface to come up". The detail box provided:
>
> Oct  1 17:15:16 deblnx pppd[1049]: pppd 2.4.1 started by john, uid 1000
> Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Terminating on signal 15.
> Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Connect script failed
> Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Exit.
>
> Quoting John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > J Y writes:
> > > Thanks for the help and if anyone has any ideas I still will give it a
> > > shot. I'm out of ideas.
> >
> > Run pppconfig as root to configure ppp.  Use pon to start the connection
> > and poff to stop it.  If you require a GUI install gpppon.
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pppd daemon

2003-10-01 Thread J Y
I spent some time reading pppd man8 and after experimenting with 
/etc/ppp/options I found that commenting out the "connect" line gave 
me 
an appearance of kppp connecting. By-the-way I have checked permissions 
and they seem to be ok. So kppp's statistics box shows activity both in 
the bottom graph and in the virtual modem lights. When I open lynx 
though and arrow down to google I get "Alert: unable to connect to 
remote host"  Mozilla's dialogue box just says whatever url I type or 
click on in debians local page "...could not be found check the name and 
try again." And yes I have tried to dialout many times. I'm getting a
little punchy with this problem. Sorry about the email foul ups.
Should I try to reinstall the dialout or whatever software group debian
calls it with taskel? .
 
Quoting Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
 
> Hello 
> 
> J Y (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: 
> 
> > I tried some other things like 1) uncommenting the auth line in 
> > /etc/ppp/options> I tried to apt-get install ppp and the response 
was 
> > the current version is the most recent. I ran linuxconf and made sure 
> > I was in the ppp group-I am. 
> 
> My Debian system does not have a ppp group. This seems to be something 
> linuxconf-specific. By default, the group you must be in to use pppd is 
> "dip": 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll /usr/sbin/pppd 
> -rwsr-xr--1 root dip230604 10. Dez 2001  /usr/sbin/pppd 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll -d /etc/ppp/peers 
> drwxr-s---2 root dip  1024 15. Sep 23:49 /etc/ppp/peers 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ll /etc/ppp/peers 
> -rw-r-1 root dip   579 20. Jul 23:30 provider 
> -rw-r-1 root dip   275 15. Sep 23:49 T-Online 
> 
> > I also uncommented debug in 
> > /etc/ppp/ttyS4 options. That's my modem. When I ran kppp this time, as 
> > a regular user the message from kppp was: "timeout expired while 
> > waiting for the PPP interface to come up". The detail box 
provided: 
> > 
> > Oct  1 17:15:16 deblnx pppd[1049]: pppd 2.4.1 started by john, uid 
> > 1000 
> > Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Terminating on signal 15. 
> > Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Connect script failed 
> > Oct  1 17:15:46 deblnx pppd[1049]: Exit. 
> 
> Check the pppd man page for the meaning of its exit codes. This one 
> means: 
> 
> The link was terminated because the peer is not responding to echo 
> requests. 
> 
> This happens to me sometimes when I try do dial. When I try again, it 
> works. Did you try several times or only once? 
> 
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Connection with pppd?

2003-10-02 Thread J Y
Hello All, On the advice of those more expert, about this site, I am
starting a new thread. Anyway the problem has changed. I have looked at
permissions on the /etc/ppp/peers/highstream.net file. I didn't copy
that file ( I'm switching back and forth from SuSE to debian). (I need a
common /home?) But for the above file everyone: u g o has x-execute
privledge. 
Doing whoami ; grep dip /etc/group got the reponse: dip:x:30:john.
I'm john. Let me describe the present situation. Now when I use kppp to
dial out there are no error messages. The kppp statistics box shows a
graph what appears to be connection and the virtual modem lights flash.
I thought that this was a false connection because lynx reported that it
couldn't connect and mozilla also couldn't find any url's typed or
clicked on from the debian local page. But when I opened a terminal and
did poff kppd (which was running gave me a pppd died message and a long
list  (which follows) of what had gone on from the start of connection.
   
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: pppd 2.4.1 started by john, uid 1000 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: using channel 2 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: Using interface ppp0 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS4 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1] 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 < 00 04 00
00>< 1b 04 02 02>] 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 00 04 00
00>  < 1b 04 02 02>] 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1] 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
] 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 
] 
Oct  2 16:46:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0x1
<04ea9f5ef1e72e33044ab04ef95acd9f>, name = "nas1.alb1.Level3.net"] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [CHAP Response id=0x1
<038976a54a50db1fce56bfa0a4604571>, name = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [CHAP Success id=0x1 "\000"] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: Remote message: ^@ 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1 
 ] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  ] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x1  ] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1   ] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP ProtRej id=0x3 80 fd 01 01
00 0f 1a 04 78 00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2] 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: local  IP address 67.75.62.186 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1599) 
Oct  2 16:46:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1599), status = 0x1 
Oct  2 16:46:34 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:46:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:47:04 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x2
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:47:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x2 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:47:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x3
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:47:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x3 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:48:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x4
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:48:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x4 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:48:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x5
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:48:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x5 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:49:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x6
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:49:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x6 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:49:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x7
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:49:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x7 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:50:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x8
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:50:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x8 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:50:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x9
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:50:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x9 magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:51:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xa
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:51:05 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xa magic=0x0] 
Oct  2 16:51:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0xb
magic=0x30227d1c] 
Oct  2 16:51:35 deblnx pppd[1558]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0xb ma

Re: pppd daemon

2003-10-03 Thread J Y
The connection seems to be working now but I can't get any internet
applications to "see" the connection.  
 
deblnx:/home/john# plog 
Oct  3 13:48:48 deblnx pppd[1333]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1378), status = 0x1 
Oct  3 13:49:17 deblnx pppd[1333]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1
magic=0x6186be31] 
Oct  3 13:49:17 deblnx pppd[1333]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x0] 
 
deblnx:/home/john# ping 195.40.1.36 
PING 195.40.1.36 (195.40.1.36): 56 data bytes 
64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=260.2 ms 
64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=259.9 ms 
64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=250.0 ms 
64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=3 ttl=245 time=240.0 ms 
64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=4 ttl=245 time=239.0 ms 
snip 
--- 195.40.1.36 ping statistics --- 
1008 packets transmitted, 974 packets received, 3% packet lossround-trip
min/avg/max = 210.0/219.2/261.0 ms 
deblnx:/home/john# 
 
When I tried to open konqueror from the terminal I got this response (
note I was root at terminal) : 
deblnx:/home/john# konqueror 
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server 
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server 
konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0 
deblnx:/home/john# 
 
I don't understand because if I type konqueror as myself/regular user
Konqueror opens  (Still doesn't see internet connection).  
Maybe none of that has anything to do with anything??? 
Yes I am in the dip group, yes I am in the dialout group. Agh!
And also slackware and SuSE both work fine!

Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:34:36PM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > I spent some time reading pppd man8 and after experimenting with 
> > /etc/ppp/options I found that commenting out the "connect" line gave 
> > me 
> > an appearance of kppp connecting. By-the-way I have checked
permissions>  
> > and they seem to be ok. So kppp's statistics box shows activity both
in>  
> > the bottom graph and in the virtual modem lights. When I open lynx 
> > though and arrow down to google I get "Alert: unable to connect to 
> > remote host"  Mozilla's dialogue box just says whatever url I type or 
> > click on in debians local page "...could not be found check the name
and>  
> > try again." And yes I have tried to dialout many times. I'm getting a
> > little punchy with this problem. Sorry about the email foul ups.
> > Should I try to reinstall the dialout or whatever software group debian
> > calls it with taskel? .
>
> Well, have you in fact connected, according to plog? And can you ping
> a numeric IP (try 'ping 195.40.1.36') ? If so, could be
> your DNS isn't working. With a dialup, chances are your ISP's giving
> you "dynamic DNS". Try sticking "usepeerdns" in the relevant file in
> /etc/ppp/peers (default /etc/ppp/peers/provider).
>
> -- 
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Re: pppd daemon

2003-10-03 Thread J Y
Yeah I knew I left ping on too long..I wasn't sure if it exited on its
own. I'm wondering if the exit status isn't the result of my finally
doing ctrl-c ? Anyway I do appreciate the help-this has been one pain to
resolve. I will check permissions on /etc/ppp/ip-up.d and recently there
have been no error messages when using pon (not that I remember) but
I'll try again. I don't know how many scripts there are in the file
/ip-up.d but I will try what you recommended. Unless of course the
permissions check produces something. I also wonder if I could just copy
my SuSE ip-up.d files to debian? Although they might not be compatible.
Thanks again. JY

Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 11:48:20AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > The connection seems to be working now but I can't get any internet
> > applications to "see" the connection.  
> >  
> > deblnx:/home/john# plog 
> > Oct  3 13:48:48 deblnx pppd[1333]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> > 1378), status = 0x1 
> > Oct  3 13:49:17 deblnx pppd[1333]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1
> > magic=0x6186be31] 
> > Oct  3 13:49:17 deblnx pppd[1333]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1
> magic=0x0> ] 
> >  
> > deblnx:/home/john# ping 195.40.1.36 
> > PING 195.40.1.36 (195.40.1.36): 56 data bytes 
> > 64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=260.2 ms 
> > 64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=259.9 ms 
> > 64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=250.0 ms 
> > 64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=3 ttl=245 time=240.0 ms 
> > 64 bytes from 195.40.1.36: icmp_seq=4 ttl=245 time=239.0 ms 
> > snip 
> > --- 195.40.1.36 ping statistics --- 
> > 1008 packets transmitted, 974 packets received, 3% packet lossround-trip
> > min/avg/max = 210.0/219.2/261.0 ms 
> > deblnx:/home/john# 
>
> Fine, your connection is indeed working but you have no DNS. (BTW you
> don't need to leave ping running so long - a few packets is enough! It
> doesn't come to a 'natural halt' unless you use the -c option: you
> just hit ctrl-c once you see it's working. 3% packet loss is no big
> deal.)
>
> ISTR seeing another post from you that I read some time after making
> my reply (the thread's a bit fragmented by now) containing plog output
> which confirmed that you are indeed receiving the IPs of the DNS
> servers when you connect, so it's the setting up of the DNS at your
> end using that information which isn't working.
>
> /etc/ppp/ip-up has exited with status 1, which is an error status.
> This, I think, means that one of the scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d is
> returning an error. Two of these scripts are to do with setting up
> your DNS, so maybe we're getting somewhere.
>
> Are all the scripts executable? What does 'ls -l /etc/ppp/ip-up.d'
> report? Do you get any error messages on the console when you connect
> using pon, perhaps beginning with 'run-parts:'?
>
> If they are all executable, and there aren't any helpful error
> messages from run-parts indicating which script is failing: try adding
> 'exit 0' as the second line of every script. Then, when you connect,
> plog should indicate that /etc/ppp/ip-up exited with status 0. Now you
> can delete the 'exit 0' second line from each script in turn, starting
> with the one at the top of ls -l, and try connecting after you change
> each script. At some point /etc/ppp/ip-up will go back to exiting with
> status 1, and then you know which script is producing the error. Once
> we know that, we might be able to figure out why.
>
> > When I tried to open konqueror from the terminal I got this response (
> > note I was root at terminal) : 
> > deblnx:/home/john# konqueror 
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server 
> > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server 
> > konqueror: cannot connect to X server :0.0 
> > deblnx:/home/john# 
> >  
> > I don't understand because if I type konqueror as myself/regular user
> > Konqueror opens  (Still doesn't see internet connection).  
> > Maybe none of that has anything to do with anything???
>
> I think that's a security feature. Running complex GUI apps as root is
> generally not a good idea as there may be bugs lurking in the
> complexity which could have more devastating effects if you're root.
> Having said that, I've just tried running konqueror myself as root for
> the first time and it didn't complain, so not quite sure here, but I
> very much doubt it's connected.
>
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ppp daemon ip-up.d perm +

2003-10-03 Thread J Y
Hi, Permissions of ip-up.d:
deblnx:/home/john# ls -l /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
total 28 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 1306 Apr 25  2002 00-ipppd 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  962 Apr  2  2002 000usepeerdns 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 2460 Jan  4  2002 0dns-up 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  825 Mar 17  2002 1wwwoffle 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   84 Mar  4  2002 exim 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  240 Jun 30  2002 fetchmail 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  224 Mar 21  2002 leafnode

All scripts in ip-up.d (except fetchmail & leafnode) had "exit 0" added
to the 2nd uncommented line in the script. 
 
deblnx:/home/john# plog 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2] 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: local  IP address 67.75.63.1 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: remote IP address 63.215.27.34 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1796) 
Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1796), status = 0x0 
 
After removing the "exit 0" from the script exim then plog produced this: 
deblnx:/home/john# plog 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2] 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: local  IP address 67.75.63.97 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: remote IP address 63.215.27.34 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1930) 
Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1930), status = 0x1 
 
This is what's in exim: 
#!/bin/sh 
 
# Flush exim queue 
if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim ]; then 
/usr/sbin/exim -qf 
fi 
 
I don't know if this is the problem file or not. Does exim have anything
to do with dns?

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Re: ppp daemon 0dns-up fails!

2003-10-04 Thread J Y
Purging configuration files for isdnutils ...  
Removing ipppd ...  
Stopping ipppd: ipppd.  
Purging configuration files for ipppd ...  
deblnx:/home/john#  
  
Following file from plog after removing addition exit 0 from usepeerdns: 
  
Oct  4 23:17:33 deblnx pppd[1070]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 ma  
gic=0x0]  
deblnx:/home/john# plog  
Oct  4 23:20:04 deblnx pppd[1206]: local  IP address 65.58.9.5  
1  
Oct  4 23:20:04 deblnx pppd[1206]: remote IP address 63.215.27  
.34  
Oct  4 23:20:04 deblnx pppd[1206]: primary   DNS address 209.2  
44.0.3  
Oct  4 23:20:04 deblnx pppd[1206]: secondary DNS address 209.2  
44.0.4  
Oct  4 23:20:04 deblnx pppd[1206]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up start  
ed (pid 1247)  
Oct  4 23:20:04 deblnx pppd[1206]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finis  
hed (pid 1247), status = 0x0  
Oct  4 23:20:33 deblnx pppd[1206]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1 ma  
gic=0x4ea822a8]  
Oct  4 23:20:33 deblnx pppd[1206]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 ma  
gic=0x0]  
deblnx:/home/john#  
  
And this ( which returned exit status 1) from 0dns-up: 
  
deblnx:/home/john# plog  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2]  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: local  IP address 67.75.62.202  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid
1395)  
Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1395), status = 0x1  
deblnx:/home/john#  
  
I guess from what i have  learned that 0dns-up is the file that is
failing. What do I/we do about it now?  
I'm including my 0dns file here. Much, much thanks for all your help.  
  
#!/bin/sh  
  
# 0dns-up by John Hasler 4 Apr 1999.  You may treat this program as if it  
# was in the public domain.  
  
# Rev. Dec 22 1999 to put dynaminc nameservers last.  
  
# Rev. Aug 20 2001 to use patch from Sergio Gelato
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  
  
# 0dns-up sets up /etc/resolv.conf for the provider being connected to.
 In  
# conjunction with pppd's usepeerdns option it also handles dynamic dns.  
# It expects to be passed the provider name in PPP_IPPARAM.  
  
# If pppconfig has been removed we are not supposed to do anything.  
  
test -f /usr/sbin/pppconfig || exit 0  
  
PROVIDER="$PPP_IPPARAM"  
ETC="/etc"  
PPPRESOLV="$ETC/ppp/resolv"  
TEMPRESOLV="resolv.conf.ppp.temp$$"  
RESOLVBAK="resolv.conf.ppp.bak"  
RESOLVCONF="resolv.conf"  
  
# Security: we sit in the $ETC directory while we do our work.  
  
cd "$ETC" || exit 1  
  
# We better not do anything if resolv.conf.bak already exists.  
  
test -f "$RESOLVBAK" && exit 0  
  
# Put the resolv.conf for this provider (if it exists) in a temp file.  
# If we are using dynamic dns it will be empty or contain any resolver  
# options the user added.  Otherwise it will be a complete resolv.conf for  
# this provider.  
  
# Security: make sure the temp file has the right permissions from the
outset.  
# This script should run as root, and . should only be writable by root.  
test -f $TEMPRESOLV && /bin/rm -f $TEMPRESOLV  
umask 022  
  
# We trust $PPPRESOLV/$PROVIDER.  
test -f "$PPPRESOLV/$PROVIDER" && cat $PPPRESOLV/$PROVIDER > $TEMPRESOLV  
  
# USEPEERDNS, DNS1, and DNS2 are variables exported by pppd.  Do we have  
# usepeerdns and a couple of nameservers?  If so, put a couple of  
# nameserver lines in the temp file.  
  
if [ "$USEPEERDNS" ] && [ "$DNS1" ] ; then  
echo "" >> $TEMPRESOLV  
echo  "nameserver $DNS1" >> $TEMPRESOLV  
if [ "$DNS2" ] ; then  
echo "" >> $TEMPRESOLV  
echo  "nameserver $DNS2" >> $TEMPRESOLV  
fi  
fi  
  
# If we haven't created TEMPRESOLV by now, just exit.  
  
test -f $TEMPRESOLV || exit 0  
  
# Back up resolv.conf, and replace it with the new resolv.conf from the
temp file.  
# Remember that the old resolv.conf might be a symbolic link.  
  
if test -L $RESOLVCONF; then  
# Assume GNU cp.  
/bin/cp -dp $RESOLVCONF $RESOLVBAK || exit 1  
elif test -f $RESOLVCONF; then  
/bin/ln $RESOLVCONF $RESOLVBAK || exit 1  
elif test -e $RESOLVCONF; then  
exit 1  
fi  
/bin/mv $TEMPRESOLV $RESOLVCONF  
exit 0  
  
  
# Tell nscd about what we've done.  
test -x /usr/sbin/nscd || exit 0  
/usr/sbin/nscd -i hosts || exit 0  
  
  


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Re: ppp daemon resolv.conf empty

2003-10-06 Thread J Y
I looked in the file /etc/resolv.conf and there was nothing in it. 
That's what ls -l gives too.  
deblnx:~# ls -l /etc/resolv.conf 
total 0 
deblnx:~# 
 I was thinking of looking through the dvd I installed from but this
file probably gets  
set-up/created during installation.  
Once again, Thanks for your knowledgable asist!!

Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:58:47PM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > And this ( which returned exit status 1) from 0dns-up: 
> >   
> > deblnx:/home/john# plog  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  > 67.75.62.202>   > 209.244.0.3> ]  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
> > proxy ARP  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: local  IP address 67.75.62.202  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid
> > 1395)  
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> > 1395), status = 0x1  
> > deblnx:/home/john#  
> >   
> > I guess from what i have  learned that 0dns-up is the file that is
> > failing. What do I/we do about it now?  
>
> Looks like it!
>
> > I'm including my 0dns file here. Much, much thanks for all your help.  
>
> OK. There are two places where you can get an exit status of 1 from
> this script:
>
> > cd "$ETC" || exit 1  
>
> ... which would mean that root couldn't cd to /etc - I think we can
> eliminate this possibility as you'd be seeing plenty of other stuff
> not working!
>
> > if test -L $RESOLVCONF; then  
> > # Assume GNU cp.  
> > /bin/cp -dp $RESOLVCONF $RESOLVBAK || exit 1  
> > elif test -f $RESOLVCONF; then  
> > /bin/ln $RESOLVCONF $RESOLVBAK || exit 1  
> > elif test -e $RESOLVCONF; then  
> > exit 1  
>
> ... /etc/resolv.conf doesn't exist, or is somehow weird.
>
> So, does /etc/resolv.conf actually exist - if so what does 'ls -l
> /etc/resolv.conf' report, and what's in the file?
>
> -- 
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Re: ppp daemon resolv.conf empty

2003-10-06 Thread J Y
Sent out this message about 2 hours ago, but it never got on the list.
It is in my 'sent mail" so it seems like it went out.

 I looked in the file /etc/resolv.conf and there was nothing in it.  
That's what ls -l gives too.   
deblnx:~# ls -l /etc/resolv.conf  
total 0  
deblnx:~#  
 I was thinking of looking through the dvd I installed from but this 
file probably gets   
set-up/created during installation.   
Once again, Thanks for your knowledgable asist!! 
 
Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
 
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 08:58:47PM -0800, J Y wrote: 
> > And this ( which returned exit status 1) from 0dns-up:  
> >
> > deblnx:/home/john# plog   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  > 67.75.62.202>   > 209.244.0.3> ]   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Cannot determine ethernet address 
for 
> > proxy ARP   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: local  IP address 67.75.62.202   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 
> > 1395)   
> > Oct  4 23:25:39 deblnx pppd[1354]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid 
> > 1395), status = 0x1   
> > deblnx:/home/john#   
> >
> > I guess from what i have  learned that 0dns-up is the file that is 
> > failing. What do I/we do about it now?   
> 
> Looks like it! 
> 
> > I'm including my 0dns file here. Much, much thanks for all your help.  
 
> 
> OK. There are two places where you can get an exit status of 1 from 
> this script: 
> 
> > cd "$ETC" || exit 1   
> 
> ... which would mean that root couldn't cd to /etc - I think we can 
> eliminate this possibility as you'd be seeing plenty of other stuff 
> not working! 
> 
> > if test -L $RESOLVCONF; then   
> > # Assume GNU cp.   
> > /bin/cp -dp $RESOLVCONF $RESOLVBAK || exit 1   
> > elif test -f $RESOLVCONF; then   
> > /bin/ln $RESOLVCONF $RESOLVBAK || exit 1   
> > elif test -e $RESOLVCONF; then   
> > exit 1   
> 
> ... /etc/resolv.conf doesn't exist, or is somehow weird. 
> 
> So, does /etc/resolv.conf actually exist - if so what does 'ls -l 
> /etc/resolv.conf' report, and what's in the file? 
> 
> --  
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> 
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I'm off the users list again?

2003-10-06 Thread J Y
My inbox (I'm using online e-mail) gets flooded with messages about
microsoft security, but I'm not even near capacity-only using about
20-25% of my inbox. Why am I getting thrown off the list? The list is
working I presume. 

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Re: I'm off the users list again

2003-10-06 Thread J Y
I re-subscribed. I'm back!!

Quoting J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> My inbox (I'm using online e-mail) gets flooded with messages about
> microsoft security, but I'm not even near capacity-only using about
> 20-25% of my inbox. Why am I getting thrown off the list? The list is
> working I presume.
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Re: off the list again

2003-10-06 Thread J Y
I know what it says but my inbox was only at 25% capacity. Something
else is going on here. 

Quoting Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:52:24PM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > My inbox (I'm using online e-mail) gets flooded with messages about
> > microsoft security, but I'm not even near capacity-only using about
> > 20-25% of my inbox. Why am I getting thrown off the list? The list is
> > working I presume. 
> > 
> 
> I just had a look, and it looks as if you went over quota:
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System)
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
> 
> For further assistance, please send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
> 
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 552 5.2.2 Over quota
> 
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; mailer.x-mail.net
> Arrival-Date: Mon,  6 Oct 2003 09:30:23 -0400 (EDT)
> 
> Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-MTA; 552 5.2.2 Over quota
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: ppp daemon WORKING!!!!

2003-10-06 Thread J Y
WOW thanks for taking me under your "wing". I'm actually online, here,
courtsey of, ta da, DEBIAN! I looked in /etc/ after doing touch
/etc/resolv.conf and the file had a "?" on it I though that was a bad
sign however once I connected it changed (no "?" on the file now) I also
have 22, yes twenty-two files, in /etc, named resolv.conf.ppp.temp with
4 digit numbers after the "temp". Should I delete these? Thank You very
Much! JY

Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:01:41AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > I looked in the file /etc/resolv.conf and there was nothing in it. 
> > That's what ls -l gives too.  
> > deblnx:~# ls -l /etc/resolv.conf 
> > total 0 
> > deblnx:~# 
>
> /etc/resolv.conf is a *directory*? How extremely peculiar. It's
> supposed to be a file. Make it so:
>
> rmdir /etc/resolv.conf
> touch /etc/resolv.conf
>
> ...should - IIUC - get you going. You should now find that 0dns-up
> returns exit status 0, then you can remove all the 'extra' 'exit 0'
> lines from earlier on from the other scripts and I think you'll find
> it's all OK now.
>
> -- 
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>
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> Get my GPG key here:
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Testing user-list

2003-10-07 Thread J Y
Hi, I don't seem to be getting messages from the users list. Sorry about
adding to the traffic. I don't understand this list problem. My inbox
has about 80 messages in it. (It can hold probably 500) I am using
online email. Why I am getting repeatedly dropped/bounced from the
list-if indeed I have been this time-I just don't know. JY

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Re: Testing user-list

2003-10-07 Thread J Y
I'm still on the list it seems I just didn't get any messages from it
for about two hours. Maybe I need to set up email thru my isp since the
filters here at x-mail don't actually filter anything that I can tell.
Thanks JY

Quoting Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 07:38:34AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > Hi, I don't seem to be getting messages from the users list. Sorry about
> > adding to the traffic. I don't understand this list problem. My inbox
> > has about 80 messages in it. (It can hold probably 500) I am using
> > online email. Why I am getting repeatedly dropped/bounced from the
> > list-if indeed I have been this time-I just don't know. JY
>
> 'lo,
>   Most mailbox have a size measures in space taken, rather
> than just by the number of emails. You're probably getting too
> many viruses or large attachments which are eating up all your
> disk quota. When legitimate mail then comes in, there's no room
> for it, and it gets bounced.
>
>   Cheers,
>
> Pasc
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Sound Server + Grub vs lilo?

2003-10-07 Thread J Y
Hi, I get this message when logging into my account & in the root
account also. "error while initializing the sounddriver /dev/dsp can't
be opened (permission denied) The sound server will continue using the
null output device. From the kde menu clicking on information > sound
brings up this message: "There was an error loading the module the
diagnostics is:"
No diagnostics are provided. 
PCI Info gives: 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller:,
VIA technologies, Inc. AC97 AudioController (rev50)
Subsystem: VIA Technologies. Inc Unknown device 4511
flags: medium devsel, IRQ 11
I/O ports at 9c00 (size=256)
I/0 ports at a000 (size=4)
I/O ports at a400 (size=4)

Also although I have followed the grub help, man pages and advice here I
still cannot get debian or slackware to boot from the grub floppy. I
almost always get an "error 15 file or filesystem not found" I haven't
installed grub to the MBR because I wanted to be sure I could boot
everything from it and I can't. I can boot SuSE and windoze. Also
entering grub from the command line and doing "root (" didn't get me
disks/disk info. Would lilo be easier to set-up? Debian is on hdb5 a
logical partition. I boot to deb & slack from a floppy. Thanks


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Re: Questions about using the mailing lists

2003-10-08 Thread J Y
Hello, I am responding to this because I have online email and have been
removed from the debian-users list even though I know my account was not
over capacity. I have a graphical representation of how much of my inbox
I'm using and I never let it get more than 50% but I have been removed
from the list several times.So you're not the only one this happens to.
Maybe someone will look into what's really happening?

 
Quoting Yuen Sum Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Dear everyone,
>
> I have used the debian mailing lists using yahoo mail services as the
> email account receiving the mails for several months. However, a fewer
> weeks ago, I cannot receive any mails from debian-user mailing lists. I do
> not know why this happen, but i have not accidentially set the account of
> debian-user lists as that I do not want to receive any mail for there.
>
>Do the yahoo do something since the amount of email coming to my
account
> is huge?
>
>In addition, do I need to resubscribe the mailing list if I want to
read
> the email again.

 Yes you need to rescribe to be on the list again
>
> Regards,
> James Ng
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Grub, need to change fstab?

2003-10-08 Thread J Y
Hi,
I've been messing with grub without accomplishing much, accept an
occasional kernel panic, error fs not found 
 and an hour or more rescuing my system.  I let grub do most of the work
on the configuration that follows 
 and it actually boots debian, with the SuSE kernel!!!  Damn I think
I understand that since it plugged in the only  
drive/partition it sees. I'm thinking that I need to add my other drive
/dev/hdb and its partitions to fstab. BUT altering 
fstab can be fatal to the os, I've learned the hard way, so how would I
do that? Thanks 
Oh and I have had the correct partitions listed in grub/menu.1st, but it
can't find the filesystem(s) on hdb. 
 
gfxmenu (hd0,4)/message 
color white/blue black/light-gray 
default 0 
timeout 8 
 
title linux 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda7   vga=791 
initrd (hd0,4)/initrd 
 
title floppy 
root (fd0) 
chainloader +1 
 
title failsafe 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz.shipped root=/dev/hda7 ide=nodma apm=off
acpi=off vga=normal nosmp maxcpus=0 disableapic 3 
initrd (hd0,4)/initrd.shipped 
 
title windows_me 
root (hd0) 
chainloader +1 
makeactive 
 
title debian3.0 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb5 
 
title slackware9.0 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb2 


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Re: Grub, latest adventure

2003-10-10 Thread J Y
Hi, 
This is my latest menu 1st. It doesn't work. Mostly I just boot whatever
I want from floppy. 
 SuSE (the 1st entry titled "linux" does boot) Maybe windows does now
too. I haven't checked that since  
my most recent editing. I did enter "grub" at a  terminal window, and
when I typed "root (' the response was  
"selected disk does not exsist"  When I typed 'kernel /'  I got "invalid
device requested". I also found I could produce 
 the same error (error 15: file system not found) which is what I get
now at start up when I click debian or slack,  
by entering 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz and the correct path. I do not know
what's wrong.  
   
gfxmenu (hd0,4)/message 
color white/blue black/light-gray 
default 0 
timeout 8 
 
title linux 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda7  hdd=ide-scsi vga=791 
initrd (hd0,4)/initrd 
 
title floppy 
root (fd0) 
chainloader +1 
 
title failsafe 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz.shipped root=/dev/hda7 ide=nodma apm=off
acpi=off vga=normal nosmp maxcpus=0 disableapic 3 
initrd (hd0,4)/initrd.shipped 
 
title windows 
root  (hd0,0) 
chainloader (hd0,0)+1 
makeactive 
 
title debian3.0 
root (hd1,4) 
kernel (hd1,4)/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi vga=791 
initrd (hd1,5)/initrd-2.4.18-k7 
 
title slackware9.0 
root (hd1,1) 
kernel (hd1,1)/vmlinuz-2.4.20 root=/dev/hdb2 hdd=ide-scsi vga=791 
initrd (hd1,1)/initrd-2.4.20 


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Re: Grub, now booting debian from grub

2003-10-11 Thread J Y
Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. 
 
   GRUB  version 0.92  (640K lower / 3072K upper memory) 
 
 [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.  For the first 
 word, TAB 
   lists possible command completions.  Anywhere else TAB lists the
possible 
   completions of a device/filename. ] 
 
grub> find /boot/vmlinuz-ide-2.4.20 
 
 (hd1,1) 
 
grub> 
grub> find /boot/vmlinuz-ide-2.4.20 
 
 (hd1,1) 
 
grub> 
  find /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 
 (hd1,4) 
 
grub> 
 
grub> 
  find /boot/initrd-2.4.18-k7 
 
Error 15: File not found 
 
grub> 
  find /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7 
 (hd1,4) 
 
grub> 
 
grub> 
  find vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 
 
Error 15: File not found 
 
grub> 
  find /vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 
 
Error 15: File not found 
 
grub> 
  find /initrd-2.4.18-k7 
 
Error 15: File not found 
 
grub> 
 
# Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Thu Oct  9 22:07:15 2003 
 
 
gfxmenu (hd0,4)/message 
color white/blue black/light-gray 
default 0 
timeout 8 
 
title linux 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda7  hdd=ide-scsi vga=791 
initrd (hd0,4)/initrd 
 
title floppy 
root (fd0) 
chainloader +1 
 
title failsafe 
kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz.shipped root=/dev/hda7 ide=nodma apm=off
acpi=off vga=normal nosmp maxcpus=0 disableapic 3 
initrd (hd0,4)/initrd.shipped 
 
title windows 
root  (hd0,0) 
chainloader (hd0,0)+1 
makeactive 
 
title debian3.0 
root (hd1,4) 
kernel (hd1,4)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi
vga=791 
initrd (hd1,4)/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7 
 
title slackware9.0 
root (hd1,1) 
kernel (hd1,1)/boot/vmlinuz-ide-2.4.20 root=/dev/hdb2 hdd=ide-scsi
vga=791 
initrd (hd1,1)/usr/man/man4/initrd.4.gz 

Hi, And thanks for the questions and grub commands. The above setting
now boots debian. Grub needed the correct file and it was
/boot/initrd.img-xxx. I don't get a start up log while debian is booting
and I don't understand that. Slackware doesn't seem to have a initrd. I
did a whereis but only got the /usr/man/man4/initrd.4.gz file which I
tried but loading failed with a kernel panic. As for the floppy entry in
grub it was automatically put in by SuSE's installer. The floppy will
boot any of the 3 linuxes from the grub floppy listing, but it does say
something like entire device is fat.I guess I could take out the
chainloader +1 entry? And windows does boot with the entry I posted
previously and haven't changed. BTW /sbin/grub = no such file or
directory. Thanks again. I'll ask the slack board where slack's initrd is.

> >  
> > title floppy 
> > root (fd0) 
> > chainloader +1 
>
> This looks like you are telling the grub that the grub boot floppy
> also includes the window bootloader.
>
> >  
> > title failsafe 
> > kernel (hd0,4)/vmlinuz.shipped root=/dev/hda7 ide=nodma apm=off
> > acpi=off vga=normal nosmp maxcpus=0 disableapic 3 
> > initrd (hd0,4)/initrd.shipped 
> >  
> > title windows 
> > root  (hd0,0) 
> > chainloader (hd0,0)+1 
> > makeactive 
>
> If this doesn't boot windows, try:
> root  (hd0,0)
> makeactive
> chainload +1
>
> >  
> > title debian3.0 
> > root (hd1,4) 
> > kernel (hd1,4)/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi
vga> =791 
> > initrd (hd1,5)/initrd-2.4.18-k7 
>  ^--^  should this be
initrd.img-2.4.18-k7?
>
> 'initrd (hd1,5)' indicates your kernel image is in a different
> partition than it's initrd.img.
>
> Need a little more info. Please open a terminal, su to root, and then
> run /sbin/grub. 
>
> grub> find /vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7
> grub> find /initrd-2.4.18-k7
> grub> find /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7
> grub> find /boot/initrd-2.4.18-k7
>
> and post the results back to the list.
>
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No start up-boot messages

2003-10-12 Thread J Y
Hi, I don't get a start up log while debian is booting 
> and I don't understand that. Does someone know what, if any, line in
my menu ist (posted below) would cause the start up log to be blanked?
In  other words I don't see anything no boot messages.The first thing I
see after selecting debian in the grub menu is the login/select user box.


   

 
> title debian3.0  
> root (hd1,4)  
> kernel (hd1,4)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi 
> vga=791  
> initrd (hd1,4)/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7  
>
  I read the SuSE Grub help and it said that some kernels don't need a 
initrd. So I just removed the initrd line from the slack entry and it 
booted!! Maybe that will help someone else. i am now booting 
floppy-less!  Alright! Thanks again & again! 
   
> title slackware9.0  
> root (hd1,1)  
> kernel (hd1,1)/boot/vmlinuz-ide-2.4.20 root=/dev/hdb2 hdd=ide-scsi 
> vga=791 

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Re: Grub, configuration not easy

2003-10-12 Thread J Y
Hi, I guess I spoke too soon, although I can login to debian from grub
now something is wrong. I can't connect to the internet for one. I just
booted from the floppy and I can connect. So something isn't loading
correctly with the debian grub entry I have( which is listed below).BTW
I did a uname -r and the correct kernel is running. I did remove the
"vga=791 line and I have the boot/start up messages now. Any suggestions
are appreciated. Thanks

Quoting J Y <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi, I don't get a start up log while debian is booting 
> > and I don't understand that. Does someone know what, if any, line in
> my menu ist (posted below) would cause the start up log to be blanked?
> In  other words I don't see anything no boot messages.The first thing I
> see after selecting debian in the grub menu is the login/select user box.
> 
> 
>
> 
>  
> > title debian3.0  
> > root (hd1,4)  
> > kernel (hd1,4)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5
hdd=ide-scsi 
> > vga=791  
> > initrd (hd1,4)/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7  
> >
>   I read the SuSE Grub help and it said that some kernels don't need a 
> initrd. So I just removed the initrd line from the slack entry and it 
> booted!! Maybe that will help someone else. i am now booting 
> floppy-less!  Alright! Thanks again & again! 
>
> > title slackware9.0  
> > root (hd1,1)  
> > kernel (hd1,1)/boot/vmlinuz-ide-2.4.20 root=/dev/hdb2 hdd=ide-scsi 
> > vga=791 
> 
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Re: Grub

2003-10-12 Thread J Y
Hello, I booted from the floppy, and I found (with uname -r) that my
computer is running the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel (vmlinuz) with
initrd.img-2.4.18-k7. There is no other initrd in boot so it has to be
the k7. I have an athlon cpu and chose the k7 kernel during install.
Somehow though I'm running the bf2.4. I can change the grub listed to
reflect that. Or I could try to get the k7 kernel to work. What's the
right way and is there something weird/wrong about having these two
different listings for boot? Also the vga=791 line blanks out the start
up, booting messages. It works in SuSE and slack but not Debian.
 
Quoting "Jerome R. Acks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:56:37PM -0800, J Y wrote:  
>
> >  
> > grub> 
> >   find /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 
> >  (hd1,4) 
>
> > grub> 
> >   find /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7 
> >  (hd1,4) 
> >  
>
>
> for Debian/GNU put this for your menu.lst:
>
> title Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, kernel 2.4.18-k7
>   root (hd1,4)
>   kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi vga=791
>   initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7
>   boot
>
> title Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, kernel 2.4.18-k7 (recovery mode)
>   root (hd1,4)
>   kernel /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi
> vga=7> 91 single
>   initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7
>   boot
>   
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Re: Re: ebay slow

2003-10-12 Thread J Y
Quoting Susan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> My Ebay is so much slower than any other site.  It's driving me crazy.
 > Is there any way to fix it?  Also, how do I email Ebay?  I can't find
an > email address.
> 
To email ebay (they don't make it easy) go to their main page, bottom.
Click 'help', a pop up screen will load click 'contact us' there you
will find catagories for your responses. Good luck. I personally have
not found them to be easy to communicate with. 

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Re: Grub

2003-10-13 Thread J Y
Thanks for the support. I think the real issue here is that in using the
k7 kernel I have a internet connection issue (again). I guess I just
have to sort that out  As I said before the SuSE installer automatically
configured alot of things in grub, which I copied. I'll try the vga=ask
Thanks again.. 

Quoting "Jerome R. Acks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 08:36:01PM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > Hello, I booted from the floppy, and I found (with uname -r) that my
> > computer is running the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel (vmlinuz) with
> > initrd.img-2.4.18-k7. There is no other initrd in boot so it has to be
> > the k7. I have an athlon cpu and chose the k7 kernel during install.
> > Somehow though I'm running the bf2.4. I can change the grub listed to
> > reflect that. Or I could try to get the k7 kernel to work. What's the
> > right way and is there something weird/wrong about having these two
> > different listings for boot? Also the vga=791 line blanks out the start
> > up, booting messages. It works in SuSE and slack but not Debian.
>
> I've never used "vga-791". If you change "vga=791" to "vga=ask", you
> should get a menu of video modes you can choose from.
>
> The 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel is primarily intended to be used as the
> initial installation kernel. As far as I know, it does not use
> initrd. If it works for you, and you don't need other drivers that are not
> included with it, you don't need to change it. 
>
> 2.4.18-k7 is optimized for your athlon cpu. It also has additional
> drivers, which you may or may not need, that the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel
> does not have. The stock debian kernel-image 2.4.18-k7 needs
> initrd.img-2.4.18-k7. The kernel-image and initrd.img files are too
> large to fit on a floppy. So if you are booting from a floppy, you
> will need to use 2.4.18-bf2.4. If you want to use the stock 2.4.18-k7, you
> will need to set up grub to boot it from your hard disc.
>
> If 2.4.18-bf2.4 works fine for you, you could try to recompile it with
> athlon optimization turned on. 
>
> >  
> > Quoting "Jerome R. Acks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 07:56:37PM -0800, J Y wrote:  
> > >
> > > >  
> > > > grub> 
> > > >   find /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 
> > > >  (hd1,4) 
> > >
> > > > grub> 
> > > >   find /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7 
> > > >  (hd1,4) 
> > > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > for Debian/GNU put this for your menu.lst:
> > >
> > > title Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, kernel 2.4.18-k7
> > >   root (hd1,4)
> > >   kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi
> vga=> 791
> > >   initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7
> > >   boot
> > >
> > > title Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, kernel 2.4.18-k7 (recovery mode)
> > >   root (hd1,4)
> > >   kernel /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hdb5 hdd=ide-scsi
> > > vga=7> 91 single
> > >   initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7
> > >   boot
> > >   
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return of DNS problem

2003-10-13 Thread J Y
Hi, After getting grub to work and booting with the k7 kernel rather
than the bf2.4 the DNS problem returned..or that's what I think I'm
seeing-basically a conection that doesn't work. So I ran plog, I got an
exit status 1; I put exit 0 in the 6 scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: not replacing existing default route
to tap0 [0.0.0.0] 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: local  IP address 67.75.63.145 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: remote IP address 63.215.27.35 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1369) 
Oct 13 12:34:58 deblnx pppd[1328]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1369), status = 0x0 
deblnx:/home/john# 
 
deblnx:/home/john# ls -l /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
total 24 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  969 Oct 13 12:26 000usepeerdns 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 2466 Oct 13 12:27 0dns-up 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  831 Oct 13 12:30 1wwwoffle 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   92 Oct 13 12:33 exim 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  246 Oct 13 12:33 fetchmail 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  230 Oct 13 12:34 leafnode 
 
after removing the 'exit 0' from exim (this time I did it in the order
of ls -l ) I got a: 
 
deblnx:/home/john# plog 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: not replacing existing default route
to tap0 [0.0.0.0] 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: local  IP address 67.75.62.176 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1780) 
Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1780), status = 0x1 
 
This is what's in exim: 
#!/bin/sh 
 
# Flush exim queue 
if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim ]; then 
/usr/sbin/exim -qf 
fi

I'm just doing what I remembered from the help I got before. Yet the
symptom and results seem the same.Thanks

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Re: return of DNS problem-pppd daemon

2003-10-13 Thread J Y
Hi, I did not compile the kernel. as I said the bf2.4 kernel was working 
. I have an athlon cpu and thought I was running with the k7 kernel 
because that's what I selected during installation. I had been booting 
with a floppy though so when i got grub working correctly I began using 
the k7 kernel and then saw a return of a problem (pppd/dns) that I had 
earlier. At the time Pigeon helped me with getting the problem solved. 
PPP must be enabled because of the plog results..no?

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> In linux.debian.user, you wrote:
> > Hi, After getting grub to work and booting with the k7 kernel rather
> > than the bf2.4 the DNS problem returned..or that's what I think I'm
> > seeing-basically a conection that doesn't work. So I ran plog, I got an
> > exit status 1; I put exit 0 in the 6 scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
> >  
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: not replacing existing default route
> > to tap0 [0.0.0.0] 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
> > proxy ARP 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: local  IP address 67.75.63.145 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: remote IP address 63.215.27.35 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid
> 1369) 
> > Oct 13 12:34:58 deblnx pppd[1328]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> > 1369), status = 0x0 
> > deblnx:/home/john# 
> 
> Is this a kernel that you compiled?  If so, did you use the config file
> that
> came with the original kernel from /boot?  Does it have PPP enabled?
> 
> Anita
> 
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Re: return of DNS problem

2003-10-13 Thread J Y
Hi, Yeah I thought of that (resov.conf being a directory rather than a
file) but it is a file. I meant to include that in the post and forgot. 
I'll run the command just to be sure though. You have the command as
ls-ld /etc/resov.conf is the 'd' in there a typo? I thought it was ls-l.

Quoting Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 10:01:57AM -0800, J Y wrote:
> > Hi, After getting grub to work and booting with the k7 kernel rather
> > than the bf2.4 the DNS problem returned..or that's what I think I'm
> > seeing-basically a conection that doesn't work. So I ran plog, I got an
> > exit status 1; I put exit 0 in the 6 scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
> >  
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: not replacing existing default route
> > to tap0 [0.0.0.0] 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
> > proxy ARP 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: local  IP address 67.75.63.145 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: remote IP address 63.215.27.35 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
> > Oct 13 12:34:57 deblnx pppd[1328]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid
> 136> 9) 
> > Oct 13 12:34:58 deblnx pppd[1328]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> > 1369), status = 0x0 
> > deblnx:/home/john# 
> >  
> > deblnx:/home/john# ls -l /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
> > total 24 
> > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  969 Oct 13 12:26 000usepeerdns 
> > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 2466 Oct 13 12:27 0dns-up 
> > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  831 Oct 13 12:30 1wwwoffle 
> > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root   92 Oct 13 12:33 exim 
> > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  246 Oct 13 12:33 fetchmail 
> > -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  230 Oct 13 12:34 leafnode 
> >  
> > after removing the 'exit 0' from exim (this time I did it in the order
> > of ls -l ) I got a: 
> >  
> > deblnx:/home/john# plog 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: not replacing existing default route
> > to tap0 [0.0.0.0] 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
> > proxy ARP 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: local  IP address 67.75.62.176 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid
> 178> 0) 
> > Oct 13 12:45:55 deblnx pppd[1739]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> > 1780), status = 0x1 
> >  
> > This is what's in exim: 
> > #!/bin/sh 
> >  
> > # Flush exim queue 
> > if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim ]; then 
> > /usr/sbin/exim -qf 
> > fi
> > 
> > I'm just doing what I remembered from the help I got before. Yet the
> > symptom and results seem the same.Thanks
>
> Well, if the symptoms are the same, the first thing to check is if the
> cause is the same. We eventually determined that the cause was that
> /etc/resolv.conf was a directory instead of a file, and cured it by
> making sure that /etc/resolv.conf was a file. So, the first thing to
> check is: has /etc/resolv.conf mysteriously turned back into a
> directory again? ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf
>
> By the time the exim script is run, DNS has already been set up.
> Failure of the exim script would result in your outgoing mail not
> being sent, but you'd still be able to use your browser etc. You can
> run exim -qf (as root) by hand after bringing the connection up to see
> if exim does have a problem.
>
> (Your kernel must be supporting PPP, otherwise you wouldn't be getting
> this far at all. Don't worry about that.)
>
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>
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Re: return of DNS problem

2003-10-13 Thread J Y
I changed some permissions but it didn't fix the problem. I did notice
that pon highstream.net doesn't produce anything-no modem dial. kppp
does get the modem to dial. The following output is too long and I
didn't know what might be relevent.   

deblnx:~# ls -l /etc/resolv.conf 
-rw-r--r--1 root root0 Oct 13 12:40 /etc/resolv.conf 
deblnx:~# chmod ug+x /etc/resolv.conf 
deblnx:~# ls -l /etc/resolv.conf 
-rwxr-xr--1 root root0 Oct 13 12:40 /etc/resolv.conf 
deblnx:~# 
 
deblnx:/home/john# ls -l /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
total 24 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  963 Oct 13 12:39 000usepeerdns 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 2460 Oct 13 12:41 0dns-up 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  825 Oct 13 12:43 1wwwoffle 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   86 Oct 13 12:44 exim 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  241 Oct 13 23:55 fetchmail 
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  225 Oct 13 23:55 leafnode  
 
deblnx:~# plog 
Oct 13 23:56:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:56:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x0] 
deblnx:~# 
 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: pppd 2.4.1 started by john, uid 1000 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: using channel 2 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: Using interface ppp0 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS4 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1] 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 < 00 04 00
00>< 1b 04 02 02>] 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 00 04 00
00>  < 1b 04 02 02>] 
Oct 13 23:56:28 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 
] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0x1
<6b9e1e8907285609339c18c00a53f6ca>, name = "nas1.alb1.Level3.net"] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [CHAP Response id=0x1
, name = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [CHAP Success id=0x1 "\000"] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: Remote message: ^@ 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1 
 ] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  ] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x1  ] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP ProtRej id=0x3 80 fd 01 01
00 0f 1a 04 78 00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1   ] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: not replacing existing default route
to tap0 [0.0.0.0] 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
proxy ARP 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: local  IP address 67.75.62.224 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: remote IP address 63.215.27.33 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1343) 
Oct 13 23:56:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
1343), status = 0x1 
Oct 13 23:56:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:56:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:57:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x2
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:57:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x2 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:57:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x3
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:57:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x3 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:58:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x4
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:58:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x4 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:58:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x5
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:58:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x5 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:59:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x6
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:59:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x6 magic=0x0] 
Oct 13 23:59:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x7
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 13 23:59:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x7 magic=0x0] 
Oct 14 00:00:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x8
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 14 00:00:29 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x8 magic=0x0] 
Oct 14 00:00:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x9
magic=0x2b891f2c] 
Oct 14 00:00:59 deblnx pppd[1302]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x9 magic=0x0] 
Oct 14 00:01:01 deblnx pppd[1302]: Terminating on signal 15. 
Oct 14 00:01:01 deblnx pppd[

Re: return of DNS problem-fixed!

2003-10-14 Thread J Y
Thank you all. You folks are TOPS!! I did an apt-get remove diald and 
manually removed /var/cache/diald and it works!! my shell knowledge is
at a fledgling level so thamks for all the help. I hope I wasn't too
much of a bother. I went to the archives to look at the thread. I am off
the list again. I can't always check my mail every couple of hours. Most
of the problem is the swen. ( I must get a hundred and fifty messages
that look like they're from microsoft, daily)  Using online email and
x-mail's filters don't block anything that I can tell. Perhaps I'll find
another ,better, email solution. Thanks again I really do appreciate
your help.
If anyone wants to email me on this and/or email ideas-I'm open. JY

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Xserver

2003-09-05 Thread J Y
Hi I am new to debian, but have used those big commercial distros.
I installed 3.0 but am not having any luck getting X to start. I reinstalled several
times taking a lot of time checking the packages. But login just leaves me at the
command line. I type startx  and get this response: Build Operating system: linux
2.4.17i686 (ELF) module loader present (==) log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log",
(EE) Unable to locate/open config file
(EE) Error from xf86Handle Config File ()
Fatal Server error
no screens found

XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer)
on X server
"0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0
events remaining.

This is happening on a athlon (900mhz) homebuilt. I haven't had any display/X server
problems with SuSe or Mandrake.
Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Oh I just remembered the command line message says to
get system message from /var/log/XFree86.0.log  but I looked and that file doesn't 
exsist.

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Xserver follow-up + thanks!

2003-09-06 Thread J Y
Wow! I finally got to boot into my desktop! Thanks very much for this mail list, and
the community here. Nick's response to my problem really helped. I recommend to anyone
with xserver problems to have another look at those messages. (I saw there were some
questions here). I still have an inability to connect to the internet with debian. I
can't manually enter my modems port which is /dev/ttyS4. Some of the other distro let
me do that. I know this port is not standard, but I didn't know that when I built/put
together this computer. I also can't setup login/logout even though I click the modify
button in the desktop app (and become root) changes don't take effect.I don't know why?
For now I have to halt or reboot from a terminal. Thanks for the help JY  

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Beginner Again

2002-09-28 Thread j y

I have been trying to do scsi-ide emulation w/o success. I am actually
running SusSE 7.3 I have wanted to load Debian but I can even get my
cdrom or cdrw recognized anymore. I'm stuck, I have read the pages on
emulation and edited fstab & mtab but I'm not getting anywhere.

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2 distros

2002-04-08 Thread j y
Hi I'm using Suse 7.3 right now and I want to put debian on my hard drive. Is 
there an
easy way to do this. I'm into easy if possible. thanks

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Re: 2 disros

2002-04-08 Thread j y
I would like to know if anyone has an easy way for loading a 2nd distro. Right 
now I'm
running Suse 7.3 and would like to try the lastest debian-which I have on 
cd.Thanks


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2 distros

2002-04-08 Thread j y
Hi, I'm even having problems sending this message. I don't know if its because 
I'm knew
to linux, or brain drain. Does anyone know a simple way of getting two distros 
on a
hard drive. I'm running suse 7.3 and want to try debian. Thanks

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sorry for the mutiple posts & much thanks2 all

2002-04-09 Thread j y
Thanks everyone for the help with the 2 distros question. Thanks all, JY

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Re: Home brew

2002-04-28 Thread j y
I'm just a novice with Linux-better with hardware, I guess. I put together a 
Athlon
900Mhz machine and I only run Linux on it. It wouldn't be hard to install XP, 
but I'm
anti Microsoft. (a former Mac user) I had little problem putting 
together/selecting the
components. Try computergeeks.com they usually list which components are 
compatible
with linux. I also like mwave.com because they have a testing and match-up 
system for
motherboards that is very good.My only snag was getting a winmodem (I was 
trying to be
frugel and didn't know it was a winmodem until I received it. But now days 
there is
software that will allow winmodems to work. Thats what I'm using right now. 
Good luck
it can be done. Oh, by the way going through the internet and the merchants I 
mentioned
I build my computer for less than 1/2 the price range you mentioned. One more 
thing
there is an older issue of smart computing that gives most of the details to 
assembling
your own computer. Try a library or their back issues.
 
Quoting - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'd appreciate some advice on home-building a computer that will have > Linux 
> and 
> (cough) WindowsXP installed with an emphasis on Debian .  
>
> I have just a vague idea of things that should be considered, --- case > 
> style, power
> supply, cooling, choice of CPU  , motherboard with a fast FSB, chipset, > 
> video and 
> sound, voice modem,---probably just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>
> I've read claims that integrated motherboards (video, sound, and modem)
> have worked well in Linux and also the contrary.  The same with CPU's, > (AMD 
> Athlon, 
> Intel Pentium 4 or Celeron),  one chipset better than another in Linux >
etcIt gets 
> to the point where it's enough to say "I'll stick with my old slowpoke > 233 
> MHz box, at
> least it works in any Linux."   But, pioneering spirit says, "go for an > 
> upgrade" (or,
> is it just 'keep up with the Joneses'?) 
>
> Is there a web site that offers up to date recommendations for putting > 
> together
> a decent, fast, computer for somewhere between $800 to $1000, (less is > 
> better)
> one that won't require tricky patches to accept any Linux.  The few > 
> websites I've
> found still deal in pre 2000 terms.
>
> Suggestions are welcome--general or specific.
> Alex
>
>
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Re: line width +

2002-05-01 Thread j y
I changed the character width on the webmail I use to 72. Let me know if
this is acceptable. Sorry if it was causing problems. Also as I've been
following some of the responses: many winmodems can now be used with
Linux. I don't have the site that supplies that info at my fingertips
but if someone is interested I'll dig for it.

Quoting "Karsten M. Self" :

> on Mon, Apr 29, 2002, j y ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I'm just a novice with Linux-better with hardware, I guess. I put
> togethe> r a Athlon
> > 900Mhz machine and I only run Linux on it. It wouldn't be hard to
> install>  XP, but I'm
>
> Please set your mailer/editor linewrap to 68-75 characters.  I strongly
> recommend 72 as a good default.
>
> Thank you.
>
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