Keyboard-driver-bug ???

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi all, 

I discovered something, which seems to be a bug. Maybe someone can verify it. 
In the moment I cannot test it in amd64 (my Server is down), can someone else 
do it ?

Can someone verify thIs bug, too ?

Description:

The keyboard periodically switches into "Shift-modus", and some seconds later 
back. This is since the last update 2 days ago.

I checked the logs, but there is nothing to discover.


Description end


Thanks for help !


Regards

Hans




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Keyboard-driver-bug ??? (Update)

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi all, 

I found out, that the described bug is created by KDE. It appears only, when 
the keyboard, choosen by KDE in controlcenter and activated, differs from the 
one in xorg.conf.

Maybe this might help. If someone knows, which package is responsible for it, 
he might inform the KDE developers. I try myself, too.


Thanks for help !


Regards

Hans




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rsync, ssh, scp: How to send via eth1 or higher ?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

is there any way, to send files over a device greater than eth0 ?

If eth0 is online, ssh, scp and rsync always wants to send over eth0. In the 
manpages I found no way to change it.

(Background: I have wired cable on eth0 and wireless on eth1. You might 
say: "Just change it !" But as I work on different places, then I have 
continously to change. What a mess)

Best regards

Hans
  


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Re: USB rescue/boot disk

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Montag, 11. September 2006 17:29 schrieb Joost Kraaijeveld:
> Hi ,
>
> I want a bootable USB stick that will boot any machine that allows me to
> boot from USB: a Debian Live USB (and not CD). I have found a howto on
> the internet (http://feraga.com/) but that one does not seem to work for
> me.
>
> Is it actually possible to create an USB rescue/boot disk that contains
> a Debian Etch AMD64  or i386 based installation? Is there an image
> available somewhere (as the Debian Live Project does not have such an
> image (yet?) )?
>

Did you try DSL ?

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org

Regards

Hans
>
> --
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>
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> Molukkenstraat 14
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> tel: 024-3888063 / 06-51855277
> fax: 024-3608416
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Re: Problems upgrading libc6

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 10. April 2007 02:23 schrieb Andrew J. Barr:
> Luis Hidalgo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think I have a serious problem. I tried to upgrade my packages using
> > apt-get upgrade but instead of being successful
> > the following message appeared:
> >
> > dpkg: error processing
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_amd64.deb (--unpack):
> >  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package
> > nspluginwrapper Errors were encountered while processing:
> >  /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_amd64.deb
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
> I would temporarily remove nspluginwrapper and upgrade your libc6. Then
> check if there is a new version of nspluginwrapper available, and if
> not, or you still have this problem after upgrading that package, file a
> bug.
>
> HTH,
> Andrew

This problem happened in the past already. My solution was (but please check, 
what you are doing), to get into /var/cache/apt/archives and install the libc 
manually with the --force-all option.  

i.e.

dpkg --force-all -i libcxx.deb


But you should know, what you are doing !

Best regards

Hans


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Language of Website

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi webmasters/maintainers,

since half a year the Debian (www.debian.org) site shows the English language 
as default. It should be in German, as konqueror is configured to German 
language. On all other sites this is working perfectly, the only site it does 
not is the Debian site.
Did I miss something ? In earlier times this worked correctly.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

Hans


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Re: linux-image-k7 & nvidia-glx

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 5. November 2006 19:17 schrieb Thilo Six:
> Hello
>
> I have installed Debian and upgraded to unstable.
> Then i installed nvidia-glx on linux-image-k7 but i get an error screen
> when gdm starts that Xorg can´t be loaded.
>
> With linux-image-486 no problems.
>
> Is this a bug and should it be reported?
>
> bye Thilo
> --
> i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE
> - some friend of mine
>
> gpg key: 0x4A411E09

Hi Thilo,

it should work. Please check:

1, Build the kernel-module (just use the souurces of the Debian-repository)

2. Install the module ans make shure it is loaded (add it in /etc/modules)

3, Install the package "nvidia-glx" 

4.  Remove /etc/init.d/kdm, /etc/init.d/gdm and/or /etc/init.d/xdm

5. reboot, it makes sure, TLS ist set correctly

6. Check it, with the command: "startx" at the prompt.

Now you can see, why it does not worl.

Remeber: Users must be in group "video" and maybe "nvidia"



Good luck and best regards

Hans


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Re: linux-image-k7 & nvidia-glx

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 5. November 2006 20:20 schrieb Benjamí Villoslada:
> El Diumenge 05 Novembre 2006 19:37, Hans-J. Ullrich va escriure:
> > 3, Install the package "nvidia-glx"
> >
> > 4.  Remove /etc/init.d/kdm, /etc/init.d/gdm and/or /etc/init.d/xdm
> >
> > 5. reboot, it makes sure, TLS ist set correctly
> >
> > 6. Check it, with the command: "startx" at the prompt.
>
> For wheat reason 4th step and not "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" (or gdm
> restart) at 6th step?

Well, this is just for stesting. So you can see, why something does not start. 
kdm and similar hides the errors.

With startx you can see them,. Later, when everything works fine, just move 
the binaries back. 


If I look for errors, I want always know everything. :)

regards

Hans



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Re: linux-image-k7 & nvidia-glx

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 5. November 2006 20:59 schrieb Florian Kulzer:
> On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 20:27:14 +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 5. November 2006 20:20 schrieb Benjamí Villoslada:
> > > El Diumenge 05 Novembre 2006 19:37, Hans-J. Ullrich va escriure:
> > > > 3, Install the package "nvidia-glx"
> > > >
> > > > 4.  Remove /etc/init.d/kdm, /etc/init.d/gdm and/or /etc/init.d/xdm
> > > >
> > > > 5. reboot, it makes sure, TLS ist set correctly
> > > >
> > > > 6. Check it, with the command: "startx" at the prompt.
> > >
> > > For wheat reason 4th step and not "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" (or
> > > gdm restart) at 6th step?
> >
> > Well, this is just for stesting. So you can see, why something does not
> > start. kdm and similar hides the errors.
> >
> > With startx you can see them,. Later, when everything works fine, just
> > move the binaries back.
>
> It is not necessary to remove /etc/init.d/[xgk]dm. Just use CTRL + ALT +
> F1 to switch to a console, log in, become root and run
>
> /etc/init.d/[xgk]dm stop

This does not work with i.e. ATI-.driver ! When you stop kdm, then the screen 
becomes black and you cannot see anything.
>
> (sudo is also possible, of course)
>
> Then, as a normal user (!), run startx and diagnose/fix your problem.
>
> When you are done you can shut down X and run
>
> /etc/init.d/[xgk]dm start
>

That is exactly, what I intended to forbid: starting kdm.
> to get your graphical log-in screen back. (Remember to log out from the
> console after that or append " && exit" to the start command.)


With removing the window-login-manager you can see everything, you can 
manually load the kernel-module, then start X, and finally, you can see what 
happns during starting X, even things, /etc/Xorg.log does not show. This way 
I could find out, that my fglrx-driver switches to software rendering. This 
never appeared in any log. 

I do not intend to excuse my way, but IMO it is the best way to find ourt, 
what really happens.

Well, meanwhile Thilo got his system working, so it is not necessary any more 
to talk about these problems. I guess, everybody has his own way, of 
troubleshooting. For me this way has proved to be the best. :))

Best regards

Hans


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Re: cannot eject a DVD disc

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

It might be a problem of package "eject". From time to time an upgrade of this 
package changes the permissions of /usr/bin/eject to 750 (root:root), but 
should be 755 (root:root)

Good luck!

Hans

Re: Thanks

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.

Yeah! XFCE is great. Tried it, too, on my netbook. It is fast and well usable.
I also was very pleased with LXDE, which is also very lightweight and highly 
usable. In fact, I still could not find a decision, which one is better or 
faster. So I did the bst thing - use both!

Best regards

Hans


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Strange libs

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks,

since 3 weeks I got two new directories, which is looking strange for me.
These are /lib64 and /libx32. The second one was created by package 
"libc6-x32", but I cannot see the necessary of this libs.

Can someone enlighten me, when and why this was installed? Must have been 
during an upgrade. Should I install it again? (I deinstalled the package).

The other one (/lib64) looks unnecessary for me, too, as there is already 
/usr/lib64 available. Ok, FHS might be the reason for it. Am I maybe correct?
If not, a short info would be nice.

Thanks for reading this.

Best regards

Hans






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Re: itunes under debian

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 3. September 2013, 19:23:20 schrieb Pascal Obry:
> Le 03/09/2013 19:00, Mike McGinn a écrit :
> > Has anyone in this group had any luck getting iTunes to work under Linux?
> 
I believe, iTunes10 can be installed in Playonlinux, when you set a mark in 
the "testing" option. 

Sorry, but I did not test it, but I tested iTunes (do not know, which version, 
I believe it was 9) using wine.

However, iTunes is a crap, maybe there is an alternative? If he just wants to 
listen music and not buy frome the store, he might take a look on "amarok".

Best

Hans


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Akonadi / Kmail Problem

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks,

I am running debian/jessie. After upgrading to kmail2 I discovered, that 
randomly (this means wthin one or two days a week), a window pops up, whch 
want me to enter the password for my mailaccount. Strangely it is every time 
the same mailaccount. I have several ones.

It is no difference, if  reenter the correct password or just click the "ok"-
button.

This bvehaviour seem, completely randomly, and could still not be related to a 
special event.

Some hints:

1. When this happens, it is regardless, if kmal2 is running or not.

2. This behaviour appears on my 64-bit system as well as on my 32-bit system.

3. Recreating the akonadi database dd not change anything.

4. Do not know if this is important: If kmail is shut down, the akonadi 
databases for the mailaccounts are still running. Shouldn't they not be 
stopped, when kmail is not runnng any more?


Does anybody notice this behaviour, too? I know, there is already a bugreport 
related to a similar behaviour, but I am not sure, if this report is related 
to this, too. Hope, someone knows more.

Thanks for reading and maybe some, feedback.


Best regards

Hans



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Re: Can not format USB drive

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Therefore I am starting to belive that stick can be broken after all :)
> Nevertheless I will wait for some time expecting that somebody had
> experienced something similar and can give me some other advice than to
> throw away that stick.
> 
> Martin
> Bye

Hi!
Did you try "testdisk"? Nice tool, maybe it helps. You might try also some 
other tools for rescueing disks.

Check for some rescue live systems and experience with it. My suggestions are 
UBCD4Win and Rescatux. They got nice tools on it.

Also Trinity-Rescue-Kit might be usefull. And last but not least, you might 
also try Rescue-is-Possible (R.I.P.). These are all livesystems specialized 
for rescueing storage devices.

Maybe you want to take a look at it, and if these do not help, you will learn 
a lot when using these.

Just my 2 cents.

Good luck!

Hans


   
 


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Re: HDD repair help please

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Donnerstag, 26. September 2013, 18:08:54 schrieb Gábor Hársfalvi:
> Hi,
> 
> How could I repair my HDD with disk manager or similar?
> 
> Because, it has got a lots of bad sector.
> 
> Before I could do that with fsck in recovery mode after umount /home. But
> now it can't work - it says device in use.

Hi!
Try to boot from a linux livesystem. Then you have access to a lot of rescue 
tools. Dependend of the filesystem you want to rescue, you might want to choose 
the best option.

My suggestion:

For FAT/NTFS try UBCD4WIN, maybe also Hirens Boot CD.

For those and EXT2/3/4 and other linux based filesystems, I suggest live 
systems like Trinity-Rescue-Kit, Rescatux or Rescue-is-Possible. Also GRML is 
very good.

These alll content much tools for rescueing systems.

You might also want to look at DEFT-7.2 (32-bit) or DEFT-8 (64-bit).

Good luck

Hans


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[OT] How to redirect input/output to another console?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

I know, maybe this is not the right forum, as my question is not really debian 
based. But maybe you might want to help either.

I have a friend far away from me, which is using debian/testing same as me. As 
I am helping this woman sometimes, and she is willing to learn, I would give 
her an option, to see, what I am doing in the shell (input, output and error).

She is also capable working in the shell (but still not very experienced with 
it), and so I am looking for a way, that
- either she can see, what I am doing in my shell 
- I can see her shell
- or best, we can both work in ONE shell

IMO it is a good way for her, to learn, what is going on.

I know, that the first was possible in the past, but I cannot remember any more 
how I did it, it was something with redirecting, Of course I read the manuals, 
and searched the web, but I still did not find the best solution, yet.

Any hints are welcome.

Thanks for your help!

Best regards

Hans

Re: [OT] How to redirect input/output to another console?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello list,

thank you all guys and ladies for all the answers, I got.

Yes, it was screen, I was looking for. I used screen a long time ago, but 
forgot about the correct syntax.

However, I did not know about tmux, this was new for me. I will test them both 
as soon, she is back from holiday.

I also think, tmux or screen is very usefull for teaching purposes, so the 
pupil can see, what the teacher is doing in console (unless he has a beamer 
and showing his screen on the wall).

So thank you very much for all your help!

Best regards


Hans



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Re: Disable X-Server temporary

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012 schrieb Pietro Paolini:
> Hi all,
> 
> How disable the X-Server temporary ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pietro

I made good expierience, by moving gdm, xdm or kdm (whatever you are using) 
just right out of the way. I simply moved it form /etc/init.d/ into my /root 
folder.

Then I could manually start X by the command "startx" and could see what 
happened.

If X hanges, you can easily stop X by "CTL-C" (STRG-C), or with "CTRL-ALT-
BACKWARD" (STRG-ALT-RÜCKSCHRITT).

Good luck!

Hans


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can multiarch break my system?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

I would like to install wine on my pure 64-bit system. Wine is telling me, 
that I need to add i386 architecture on it (dpkg --add-architecture).
Of course I need 32-bit libs.

But before I do this, I want to make sure, that under no circumstances, other 
libs, that I need for wine (or some other applications which are pure 32-bit) 
are installed at the next update / upgrade.

Does apt or aptitude make sure, that only the needed 32-bit-libs are 
installed? And if I want wine to deinstall, do I get rid of all 32-bit-libs, 
too?

And last, but not least, is there anything I have to pay attention before 
installing 32-bit libs of wine (and others), when I want to use multiarch (I 
think of setting some priorities or pinnings at apt or aptitude)?

Thanks for any feedback!

Best regards

Hans


 


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Re: wi-fi connection and wicd

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> When I try to connect I get the message that no wireless connection is
> available.  There are in fact 7 within easy wireless reach, one of them my
> own, and my wireless router is currently about 9 inches away from the
> netbook on the same desk.
> 
> Where do I go next??
> 
> Thanks,
> Lisi

Hi Lisi,

looks like a known bug. 

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665881

What kernel version are you running?

Regards

Hans


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Re: wi-fi connection and wicd

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Lisi,

> > What kernel version are you running?
> 
> 2.6.32-5-686
> 
> Thanks for your reply,
> Lisi

there is also another bugreport by me from earlier times. But I guess, this 
reason might be in older kernels, too. At the moment I am running kernek 3.5 
from experimental with no errors at all.

However, I think, it is a kernel bug, and is fixed since kernel 3.5.

Here is my old bugeport, which is closed (and reopened by the bugreport you 
already know):

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687046

At the moment, i know no other solution, than to switch to a running 3.2.0 
kernel (see in my bugreport, which ran for me), or use 3.5 from experimental.

Goo luck!

Hans




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please put not all into multiarch!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Dear package-teams,

please do not put everything to multiarch! Just let me explain, why I think 
so. 

As already reported here, many users (and me too) got into a lot of problems, 
beccause the 32-bit nvidia drivers are now put into multiarch. 

Doing so, several applications, like googleeearth, X-plane and some other 32-
bit stuff, which worked PERFECTLY before, did not run any more.

So I decided, to change to multiarch. Quickly added i386 (dpkg --add-
architecture i386) to my system and did an aptitude update.

But then, when I wanted to install the nvidia-glx package (32-bit), aptitude 
messed with several other packages. It wanted to deinstall skype (which is 
running perfectly in 64-bit environment), crrsim and some other 32-bit 
packages, due to unmet dependencies. 

Aptitude wants to deinstall those packages, or forces me, to install a lot of 
32-bit libs, which I do not need! 

Hmm, as all these apps were working before in amd64 environment, I see no 
sense , why to crap my system with a bunch of libs, which I am not needing (as 
the apps are already running).

As I said: I just need to install a single package from i386, and do not want 
to change my whole system!

Just understand, I do not want to mourne against the idea of multiarch, but I 
think, you should not put every 32-bit thingies into i386. 

Some packages should be made directly installable from amd64, there are coming 
driver into my mind as well as some decent packages (i.e. wine stuff).

For those with the same problem: My workaround for now is just to deinstall 
every nvidia package and use the installer from the nvidia site. This let me 
install 64-bit and 32-bit driver, and googleearth is happily running again.

Best regards

Hans

 


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Re: please put not all into multiarch!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Hans, the state of multiarch, post-Wheezy, is that it is not ready for
> use.  As you have found, it is not compatible with everything, or
> perhaps it should be put the other way: Not everything may be compatible
> with it.  People are advised to be patient about updating/upgrading,
> especially when running non-Debian software.  In the fullness of time,
> it will all Just Work (tm).  Allegedly.

Mark, I know, that this multiarch is still on the way to working, However, I 
see great power in it. But at the moment, I think, it is no good idea, to put 
essential packages into multiarch. Instead they should put those packages 
step-by-step into it. My mail aimed to show, what problems appear at the 
moment. So others (and first of all the developers) can see, what trouble 
appears.

Chris: There is no need, to file a bugreport, as a) it is wanted, to split 64-
bit and 32-bit of nvidia packages and b) it is already recognized in the list 
what problems appear.


Best regards

Hans


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Re: please put not all into multiarch!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> What I'm trying to say is that ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk probably
> contain all of those libraries.
> 
> If you want to keep your system light you should probably install the
> real 32-bit skype (not the pseudo-amd64 one), because that package will
> depend only on the 32-bit libraries it really needs.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Hi all!

What I do not understand: Why does skype want to install lots of new 32-bit 
libs, when the package (and this is the 32-bit one) already can use either 
ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (which are also used by other applications).

I suggest this solution: Packages should be built in that way, that they can 
use either ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk or the libs from multiarch:i386. If 
that is working, then step by step ia32-libs may be made thinned out from 
double libs, until ia32-libs are no more necessary at all. At that point the 
package ia32-libs can be deleted.

On the other hand, it should be made sure, that 32-bit applications should be 
able to use 64-bit libs as much as possible. 32-bit is dying! And in the next 
years, it will not be used any more.

Greets

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Re: please put not all into multiarch!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Could you please provide copy-paste of the output and also the output of
> 'apt-cache policy skype' (or the full filename if you just downloaded
> it).
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Yes, i would kindly like to. Here is the output:

apt-cache policy skype
skype:
  Installiert:   (keine)
  Installationskandidat: (keine)
  Versionstabelle:


You should know, that I have installed an older version of 32-bit skype, as 
the latest amd64 version is not running very well.

My version is skype-debian_2.2.0.25-1_i386.deb, which I installed by using '--
force-architecture-i386'.

This version is running very well!
I know, the latest version is 4.0.0.1, but as just to confirm: The 2.2. version 
is running in a pure amd64-environment very well!

And as soon, as I added multiarch, this one wants to uninstall.

However, as I already told before: I got a solution for this problem for 
myself: Just installed the nvidia driver from the nvidia site and evrything 
worked perfectly for me again. Although, I think, other people might have more 
problems.

Best regards

Hans

  


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Log flooding: Oct 28 11:44:21 localhost kernel: [ 3348.008429] option: option_instat_callback: error -2

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Folks, 

since some time my logs are flooded with the folowwing message:

Oct 28 11:45:09 localhost kernel: [ 3395.992226] option: 
option_instat_callback: error -2
Oct 28 11:45:14 localhost kernel: [ 3401.009057] option: 
option_instat_callback: error -2
Oct 28 11:45:19 localhost kernel: [ 3406.008941] option: 
option_instat_callback: error -2

and so on.

I cannot find the reason for it. Everything is working fine, but in the console 
it is just annoying. Is there something known about this behaviour?

My system: Debian/wheezy  32-bit, EEEPC 1005HGO.

Best regards

Hans




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Re: wheezy amd64: google-earth black screen

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Am Freitag, 16. November 2012 schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I installed google-earth, but on starting it all I get is a black screen.
> Googling this you get 100's of hits, referring to things that I have
> installed.
> Relevant to this I have installed:
> 
> nvidia-glx
> nvidia-glx-ia32
> libgl1-nvidia-glx
> nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-amd64
> nvidia-kernel-common
> 
> with all their dependencies. Yet something is obviously missing :-(
> any hints as to what it might be?
> Running wheezy amd64 and this seems to be X's only problem...
> 
> Hugo

You must install nvidia-glx from the i386-repöository. Look in the wiki or 
howtos at "multiarch". You have to set up a multiarch environment.

On the other hand you can do as I did (I am lazy). I removed all nvidia-
packages and installed the nvidia-drivers from the nvidia site.

Pay attention, to build the 32-bit part, too.

Good luck!

Hans


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Spamd: How much memory is normal?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

just a little question. I am using spamassassin and bayes. The system is 
telling me, that two processes "spamd" are running with each about 600MB. I 
guess, this memory is forked and not 1,2 GB. 

Anyway, 600MB seems pretty much memory for spamd, but as far as I googled, it 
seems ok. 

So, are there any experiences by you? It would help me, if other users might 
just have a look, how much memory their spamd is using. Of course I am only 
interested in normal desktop systems. 

Mailservers are not very interesting for me, as they will, of course, use much 
more memory!

Best regards

Hans


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multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks,

I am still fighting with multiarch. On my 64-bit system I have a several 32-bit 
applications installed. Just to name the best known: skype and googleearth.

As they are 32-bit, I also installed ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (and this 
already for since a long long time).

Just to make clear: All(!!) 32-bit applications are running fine! All!

But when I switch to multiarch, and add i386 (dpkg --add-architecture i386), 
and want to make an upgrade, then debian wants to install a lot(!) of new libs 
from i386. Why that? WTF? New libs? They are not needed (as everything is 
working well), and I do not want to fill my system with unnecessary stuff! 
Never!

On the other hand, if I do NOT change to multiarch, debian wants to deinstall 
skype, googleearth, ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk, although they are working 
perfectly.  There IS no reason, to deinstall them. 

I know, the reason is, that ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk are missing 
dependencies from i386-repository and without them, skype and googleearth will 
deinstall, too.

I see here a big dependency problem. And additionally (and please, pleas), IMO 
the kind of doing this way, is not nice.

People are FORCED two ways, either to deinstall their WORKING applications and 
change a running system, or to switch to multiarch and get added with lots of 
unnessessary libs and stuff!

Again, please apologize, I do not want to anger you, but please allow me to 
tell also things, I am not agreeing with.

Maybe there might be a way, to part dependencies between amd64 and i386, and 
find a way, to let people decide, how they want to deal with 32-bit and 64-bit 
applications.

Have a nice weekend!

Best regards

Hans 





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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

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> Have a look at the contents of ia32-libs-*. The ‘new’ libraries APT
> wants to install already exist on your system, just in one ugly
> enormous package that has to be downloaded in full each time one of
> the libraries it contains changes. You also don’t get to choose which
> of the libraries in ia32-libs-* you actually need. Chances are that
> multi-arch will actually relieve you of a lot of unnecessary stuff.

Ok, but if they are "reinstalled", then the old libs should be deinstalled. 
But they will not. So I have some libs double on my system.
> > 
> Yes there is, ia32-libs-* are superseded by multi-arch and no longer
> maintained/updated.
But the new ia32-libs are (if I am not wrong) in the amd64-repository, but 
cannot updated, as its dependencies are in i386-repo. That is no good idea.
> 

Greets

Hans


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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Maybe I described my problem not exactly enough. My English might be better.
Let me try again.

1. I have a running amd64 system, which is running 32-bit applications 
perfectly (due to ia32-libs)

2. aptitude upgrade wants to deinstall ia32-libs, as there are dependencies in 
i386 repo (ia32-libs:386). According to this, it wants also deinstall my 32-
bit applications (i.e. skype or googleearth)

Now I have two choices

1. I can add i386 to the sources list. This will keep and update ia32-libs and 
keep my 32-bit apps - but it will install al lot of new (unnecessary) libs, 
which I do not need and I do not want to install. It is sure, I do not need 
them, as the 32-bit applications are running perfectly as described above.

I do not want to fill my system, with unnecessary libs (keep it simple stupid)

2. I do NOT add i386, then apt / aptitude wants always to deinstall my 32-bit 
applications, which means, it will destroy a running system.

I do not want this, I want my system kep running.
 

IMO this is a dependency problem. My suggestions for a solution:

1. Change the dependencies of ia-32-libs, that they do not depend i386-repo.

2. No amd64 package should depend on a package of i386-repo.


IMO this would solve a lot of problems and people can decide, if they want to 
use multiarch or not. At the moment, it looks for me, as people are forced to 
use multiarch, if they want to use any 32-bit application.

But this technically not necessary ( as described above) and it is against 
freedom of choice.


Best regards

Hans


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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> 
> Current Wheezy:
> - i386 packages can be directly installed as Architecture:i386 and
>   directly depend on X:i386 etc. as needed
> - ia32-libs:amd64 is empty and depends on X:i386, Y:i386, Z:i386 to
>   ensure that if you upgrade from Squeeze, all libraries previously
>   found on your system as part of the ia32-libs package are
>   installed, furthermore, packages still depend on ia32-libs of
>   Architecture:amd64 continue to work.
> 

I am running wheezy. So, if I understood, I have these choices

1. stay with the old ia32-libs (which content all 32-bit libs) and set ia32-
libs to hold

2. convert to multiarch, get an empty (transitional) ia32-libs package and get 
all needed and new 32-bit-libs from i386.

Ok, I understood. But last question: Does debian make sure, that I get rid 
from the old 32-bit libs included in the old ia32-libs package or do I have to 
search them manually, to get a clean system, without double 32-bit libs?



> Best,
> 
> Claudius


Hans


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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Thanks for the answer, Andrei,
but something is still not completely clear.
> 
> When you purge a package (any package) all its files should be removed
> by dpkg, but sometimes packages generate files on install and don't
> clean up on removal[1]. This is usually a bug which should be reported.
> If it's severe enough it should be fixed before the release of wheezy.
> 

Yes, I know that. But removing (and purge ia32-libs) before change to 
multiarch will also remove all 32-bit-apps. But an upgrade will install a 
newer package of ia32-libs + stay the 32-bit-apps + install 32-bit-libs from 
i386. What happens to the old ones from the former ia32-libs? Will they be 
overwritten? Newly linked? Purged? 

Of course, I can deinstall and reinstall the 32-bit-apps after moving to 
multiarch. But is it really necessary?

> [1] this does not include files in a user's $HOME and files that contain
> user data (e.g. databases stored in /var created by a database
> software). If you watch dpkg output carefully you will notice warnings
> like "did not remove directory ... because not empty", so that you can
> take a look at the remaining files and decide if you still need them or
> not.
> 

Yes, this is how it always was. For these purposes there was "mundus"
developped, but it is still not in debian. I tried mundus today, but it still 
lacks. Mundus mourns about too old version of gambas3 from debian, it needs a 
newer version of it. However, this is no debian problem at all! Maybe 
sometimes it will appear in debian. I can wait. :))

> Hope this helps,
> Andrei

Greets

Hans



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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Martin, 
> 
> We had it in debian-user-german to an almost unbearable extent. Please
> read some of the recent threads there.
> 
> Thus please forgive me when this starts getting on my nerves.
> 
> I may better try to stay away from this thread from now on.
> 
> 
Thanks for your long answer. Well, please don't be angry of my questions. I 
know, it might be annoying. However, I tried to switch to multiarch, and of 
course, I understood things. 

But I also have to admit, that it was not quite easy, to switch to. I learned, 
that there are still a lot of dependency problems, as multiarch is still on 
the way and new. And do not tell, there are none!  

However, I found meanmwhile a solution for me, but besides this, let me also 
explain, what things occur.

1. Adding i386 repo wanted to deinstall ia32-libs. Ok, I did and installed 
many 32-bit libs. Soi far so well. During the update it did googleearth and 
skype. 

Ok, I build a new googleearth package, but oh wonder, it needs ia32-libs-*. So 
I had to reinstall this package again. Yes, dependency problem!

apt-get -f install reinstalled the needed libs again for googleearth.

The same with the skxpe package (I installed the latest amd64-version) and 
needed several amd64-libs, too and - ia32-libs.

But it was not over! I then wnated to install nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, 
and BOTH, 64-bit and 32-bit version. I installed it with DKMS, you know the 
way. BUT, the libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 wants to deinstall libxvmc4 amd64-version 
(as far as I remember), and doing so, mplayer and some other applications, 
which depend on the amd64-version, are also going to deinstalled. 

So don't tell me, that there are no dependency problems. There are! 

Please notice: I understand, that multiarch work is still in process. I 
understand, things must not work perfectly at the moment! I understand, 
developers have not much time to fix things at once! I understand, developers, 
have a private life! And notice, everything, I pointed at, must NEVER be fixed 
at once. There must even not to be a solution at once! 

I understand and accept everything in debian. But I do not accept, to tell me, 
I do not understand things, when there ARE problems. I read the wiki, I 
understood the wiki, but when there are things not ok, no one should be blamed 
to tell it.

As I said in my first message: Under no circumstances was it my intention, to 
mourne or make someone angry. I wanted to understand, what was not quite 
clear. To understand, to find a solution. I found it now!

And here is now the point to say: Thank you very much for all, who helped! 
Thank you very much, indeed! 

Very best regards

Hans 



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Re: Need help recovering hard drive

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Dennis,

I would try to mount it in a livefile system. Trinity Rescue Kit (TRK) comes 
there in my mind. It has some tools, which might save and restore data. You 
might also take a look at Recobery-is-possible (RIP), another fine rescue 
system.

If ypur harddrive is Windows FAT or NTFS take a look at UBCD4WIN. It is a 
rescue system based on WinXP with a lot of tools at it.It is also a livefile 
system.

Good luck!

Hans




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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Martin,

sorry, if I was too harsh in my last mail. Maybe I found not the best English 
words. Again, sorry for that.

However, I found a solution indeed.

1. As googleearth package and skype do need ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk 
packages, I reinstalled them.

2. The other needed 64-bit-libs and 32-bit-libs, skype and googleearth depend 
on, I could install with apt-get -f install.

3. The problem with the 32-bit nvidia accelerator (libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386) 
could I solve, that I removed all nvidia-packages from debian and used the 
installer from Nvidia's site.

See:

LANG=C aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  glx-alternative-mesa{a} glx-alternative-nvidia{a} glx-diversions{a} libgl1-
nvidia-alternatives{a} libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 
  libglx-nvidia-alternatives{a} libxvmc1:i386{ab} nvidia-alternative{a} 
nvidia-installer-cleanup{a} nvidia-support{a} 
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
  nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-486:i386 nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-686-pae:i386 nvidia-
kernel-3.2.0-4-amd64:i386 nvidia-kernel-dkms 
  nvidia-kernel-dkms:i386 
0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 6415 kB/6732 kB of archives. After unpacking 32.2 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libxvmc1 : Conflicts: libxvmc1:i386 but 2:1.0.7-1 is to be installed.
 libxvmc1:i386 : Conflicts: libxvmc1 but 2:1.0.7-1 is installed.
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

 Remove the following packages:
1) kaffeine
2) libxine1-x  
3) libxvmc1
4) me-tv   
5) mplayer 



Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] 


Maybe this output makes it more clear.

Best regards

Hans



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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Itay,

maybe it is  a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the file 
/etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive.

If so, comment it out and set just an entry with /dev/sda1 (or whatever) fpor 
the required. Here is an example:

# /dev/sda7  /   ext3errors=remount-ro 0   1
UUID=da2bbacb-1b05-461e-8b72-9eef666b9bf6/   ext4
discard,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0   1

In this case, I commented the line beginning with "# /dev/sda7" 
out and the new active one is the line beginning with 
"UUID=da2bbacb..."

For your needs, you should mount the partition with /etc/fstab on by using a 
live-file system like Knoppix, TRK, Debian-Live-file or similar and then edit 
/etc/fstab.

Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition like in 
my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever. 

Then you should be able to reboot.

I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2. If 
not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice Super-Grub-
Disk-2.

Hope, this helps. Good luck!

Best regards

Hans


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Re: Yast for debian

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Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012 schrieb Muhammad Yousuf Khan:
> is there any tool equivalent to yast in Debian?
> 
> Thanks

You might want to try "webmin" and/or "usermin". But it is no more in the 
debian repositories. I guess, no debian-developer took a look at it for years. 
They said at that time "it is bad coded, with spaghetti-code". But this was 5 
years ago. Maybe the code is now better. But as I said: No one took a look at 
it again, although I often have asked for it in the past.

To find it, use google, I think, www.webmin.org might be the site.

Good luck!

Hans




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Re: Laptop fan control

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Am Samstag, 22. Dezember 2012 schrieb Jack Schneider:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 19:33:31 +1100
> 
> Daniel Dalton  wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm using a Dell vostro 3350 machine.
> > 
> > At times I feel the intensity of the fan is unnecessarily high.
> > 
> > This occurs when for example using firefox or watching flash.
> > 
> > It seems most times when I restart the gui the fan returns to normal
> > speed.
> > 
> > This is a concern because it obviously will effect battery life.
> > 
> > So I'm wondering if this is unusual behaviour, and if so how to maybe
> > correct it?
> > 
> > I've looked at thinkafan but no idea what I'm doing to be honest.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for any help.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Dan

Hi Daniel,

just make sure, that the cooler free of dust. After some time, there is a lot 
of dust in the cooler, which is clogging the air exit.

If this is ok, you might want to try pwmconfig, which is creating the 
configurationfile for  fancontrol (/etc/fancontrol).

Good luck!

Hans


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kde - problem with automounter

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Hi all,

I cannot mount a usb-drive in kde (with the tool in the taskbar, you know, 
what I mean).

IMO it might be a solution, to delete some cache, but I am not sure, which is 
the correct one. To see, what happens, here is my log:


# this happens, when I input my drive:

ec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.344527] scsi 10:0:0:0: Direct-Access
 
WDC WD25 00BEVT-22A23T0PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.346716] sd 10:0:0:0: Attached scsi 
generic sg3 type 0
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.347767] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] 488397168 
512-byte logical blocks: (250 GB/232 GiB)
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.352913] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] Write 
Protect is off
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.352922] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] Mode 
Sense: 38 00 00 00
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.358992] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] No Caching 
mode page present
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.359000] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming 
drive cache: write through
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.367912] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] No Caching 
mode page present
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.367919] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming 
drive cache: write through
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.399691]  sdd: sdd1 sdd3
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.415907] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] No Caching 
mode page present
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.415916] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming 
drive cache: write through
Dec 22 20:07:05 localhost kernel: [ 2774.415920] sd 10:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached 
SCSI disk





And this is the output, as soon, i press the "mount" button (or "open with 
filemanager"):

Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319662] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 493) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319667] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 494) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319671] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 495) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319675] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 496) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319679] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 497) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319683] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 498) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319687] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 499) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319691] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 500) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319696] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 501) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319699] FAT-fs (sdc1): Directory 
bread(block 502) failed
Dec 22 20:07:12 localhost kernel: [ 2781.319742] FAT-fs (sdc1): FAT read 
failed (blocknr 1)


You see, it wants to mount the wrong device: sdc1 instead of sdd1.

Any ideas, what I can do? Or is this a problem with dbus?


Thanks for any hints!

Best regards

Hans



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Re: kde - problem with automounter UPDATE

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Forgot to tell:

I am running debian/wheezy, amd6.

Sorry, to ne unprecise

Hans


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Re: kde - problem with automounter

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> A typo it should be ~/.cache ;).
> 
> Hth,
> Ralf

Hi Ralf!
Good idea! But did not work, sorry,

But I still think, it is a caching problem. Maybe some day it might repair 
itself??? Who knows

Hans


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Re: admin password?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi!

I know two ways, how to "crack" a system with a lost root password.

1. Use a livefile-cd like knoppix and mount the partitition witrh /etc/shadow 
on.

Then remove everything at root between the first two ::

At next boot, you will not be asked for a root password.


2. Boot with "kon-boot". Google for it and download the image. You can create 
a floppy- or a cd-image.



Good luck!

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Update hanged, now stuck in loop

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

during the last upgrade, it stuck during the update of the package "virtuoso-
opensource-6.1".

Now I am sticking in a loop. I cannot deinstall the package, as it wants 
configure itself and then hangs up, nor I can reinstall it, as I am running 
into the same loop again.

I also tried to download it agarin, but this was not possible, too. My system 
believes, it is still downloaded. 

However, I downloaded the package manually via FTP, so I have it here on my 
harddrive.

When I want to install it, these messages appear:

-

 LANG=C dpkg -i virtuoso-opensource-6.1_6.1.4+dfsg1-5_amd64.deb 
(Reading database ... 420102 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace virtuoso-opensource-6.1 6.1.4+dfsg1-5 (using virtuoso-
opensource-6.1_6.1.4+dfsg1-5_amd64.deb) ...
odbcinst: DSN removed (if it existed at all). ODBC_SYSTEM_DSN was used as the 
search path.
dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 10
dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ...
odbcinst: DSN removed (if it existed at all). ODBC_SYSTEM_DSN was used as the 
search path.
dpkg: error processing virtuoso-opensource-6.1_6.1.4+dfsg1-5_amd64.deb (--
install):
 subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 10
 * Starting Virtuoso OpenSource Edition 6.1  virtuoso-opensource-6.1
  
[ OK ] 

---

and then it hangs.

Any ideas? Or is this a bug? I am running debian/wheezy, amd64.

Best regards

Hans


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KDE4 - wrong root password?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

since some time I discovered a strange behaviour. Whenever I want to kill a 
process, or need root privileges (i.e. with kdesu) and I need to enter my root 
password, this is not accepted. 

But - when I use the password of the user I am working with in this cases, it 
will work. This is very strange! The normal user can do things, that root 
cannot do (only in KDE).

I admit, it might be a setting problem in KDE, but I cannot remember, to 
configure or change anything related to this behavior.

Can someone give me a clue, what I can check, to get back to normal behavior?

This problem appears only on my amd64-machine, my other two machines are 
working fine. 


Thank you very much.

Regards

Hans 


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syslinux, live-build - looking for files

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

I am looking for the following files for wheezy:

ldlinux.c32
libcom32.c32
libutil.c32

They should be in package live-build:

apt-file search ldlinux.c32
live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/extlinux/ldlinux.c32
live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/isolinux/ldlinux.c32
live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/pxelinux/ldlinux.c32
live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/syslinux/ldlinux.c32

But there are only a symlink to /usr/lib/syslinux/l*.c32

I suppose the related packages are syslinux and syslinux-common.
If someone got these files somehow maybe from an older installation or another 
distribution, it would be nice, if he could send me.

On the other hand it might be a bug? I need those files to create a live-cd.

Thanks for your help.

Regards

Hans






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Re: syslinux, live-build - looking for files

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 24. März 2013 schrieb David Sastre Medina:
> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 06:45:51PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 24. März 2013 schrieben Sie:
> > > On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 07:31:21PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > > > I am looking for the following files for wheezy:
> > > > 
> > > > ldlinux.c32
> > > > libcom32.c32
> > > > libutil.c32
> > > > 
> > > > They should be in package live-build:
> > > > 
> > > > apt-file search ldlinux.c32
> > > > live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/extlinux/ldlinux.c32
> > > > live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/isolinux/ldlinux.c32
> > > > live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/pxelinux/ldlinux.c32
> > > > live-build: /usr/share/live/build/bootloaders/syslinux/ldlinux.c32
> > > > 
> > > > But there are only a symlink to /usr/lib/syslinux/l*.c32
> > > 
> > > All three files can be found in the upstream package¹ (pick the version
> > > you need):
> > > 
> > > $ atool -l syslinux-5.01.zip | grep -E 'l(dlinux|ib(util|com32)).c32'
> > > 
> > > 24812  2013-01-28 17:55   com32/libutil/libutil.c32
> > >
> > >115784  2013-01-28 17:55   com32/elflink/ldlinux/ldlinux.c32
> > >184268  2013-01-28 17:55   com32/lib/libcom32.c32
> > > 
> > > Indeed, it looks like a (syslinux-common?) packaging bug, as the target
> > > for those files can't be found in the package:
> > > 
> > > # apt-file search /usr/lib/syslinux/l*.c32
> > > syslinux-common: /usr/lib/syslinux/linux.c32
> > > 
> > > ¹ https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/
> > 
> > Nope, it is ldinux.c32 and not linux.c32 that I am looking for.
> 
> Precisely, that's what I'm trying to show (maybe not very
> successfully). The sylinux-common package does not contain files
> matching /usr/lib/syslinux/l*.c32 other than linux.c32.

Yes, and it seems , these are not in the syslinux packages from kernel.org.
I found only a single rpm packiage of RedHat (version 5.0), which got it into.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
>  22:35:31 up 412 days, 10:05,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 0.97, 0.44

Great, but beat this! More than 500 days. At about 650 days uptime I rebooted 
accidentlly. 

See the message from netrcraft. This was a a mailserver, some years ago, 
running postfix, debian-i386.

Best regards


Hans
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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Mittwoch, 17. April 2013 schrieb Tixy:
> On Tue, 2013-04-16 at 22:59 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > Linux greer 3.2.6 #1 SMP Mon Feb 20 17:05:10 CST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
> > 
> >  22:35:31 up 412 days, 10:05,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 0.97, 0.44
> 
> So you are over a year behind in installing security updates for the
> kernel. (I know, if your machine doesn't have untrusted users and is
> well removed or disconnected from the internet, then that doesn't really
> matter).

This must not be so. Look, In my case I used a self compiled kernel, with very 
few modules. And as the only security holes have been in kernel modules, I did 
not compile, I needed not to install a new kernel. Those modules were just not 
existent. KISS-style. It makes things more secure!

Hans


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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

It is interesting. Whenever I someone is telling of big uptime, the arguiment 
is: 

Your server can not be secure! You have an old kernel! You MUST install/update 
the newest kernel and of course reboot.

But this is not correct. For which reason a new kernel is necessary? 

1. If there are extrem changes in the environment (unsupported new hardware or 
major software changes)

2. Security issues

But a kernel can stay very, verry long time. On machines, where you do not 
change hard or software  (i.e. new filesystems like btrfs), an old kernel will 
work perfectly.

Security issues, which affect modules, but not the kernel itself, may not cause 
the need of a new kernel. When people lik me and others on this list, are 
using a very small kernel, with minimalistic modules, and the security issues 
affect modules, which are not built nor installed, then there is no need, to 
install a new kernel.

So it is wrong to conclude and to say: Hey, your uptime is high, this 
concludes to an unsecure host due to an old kernel. To say so, is a big 
mistake! 

Just to clear things. :)

Anyway, let's have fun at hacking.

Best regards

Hans

   


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Re: what's your Debian uptime?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Whatever I see in all your comments is this: 

Most of the people show a big uptime. 100 days, 400 days, 500 days, even more 
than a 1000 days! So many people do this. It proves, how stable a good system 
can be and it also shows the great work of the developers. 

If I compare it to other commercial systems (aka Windows). you can see the 
high quality, what people can do, if they like and have fun, what they are 
doing.

Money is no garant for quality. It is freedom, it is fun and it is motivation.

So let's all work together, to keep these things.

Let us say to all developers and their helpers: 

Thank you very much for all the work and help we got from you!!!

Best regards

Hans



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Re: .wav to text?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

I suppose, they are more in unstable. :)

Hans


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Re: .wav to text?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Thus, my question of where are these packages :)

Just add the unstable repo to your sources.list, then do an "apt-get update" 
and after this you can install pocketsphinx.

Either do "apt-get install pocketsphinx", or you can install any package by 
doing "apt-get install somepackagename/unstable".

Good luck!

Hans


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Re: .wav to text?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Thank you for the pointer, but I just need to update my local repo as
> I usually do. I actually was just intrigued as to why I could not find
> this package on packages.d.o (and neither in my local repo), that's
> all. It is evidently just hitting the repos. Very cool to see libre
> debian-packaged speech recognition software :)
> Perhaps I shall want it one day.
> Thanks again,
> Zenaan

You can do "apt-get -d install packagewhatever" from unstable. This will only 
download, but NOT install. Once the packages are on your computer, remove the 
entries of unstable in sources.list. Now you can install these packages 
manually with "dpkg -i packagename.deb"

You can then apt-get update again and then update as normal. To clear the 
database you may also try "dpkg --clear-avail", then do a new "apt-get 
update".

BTW: I recommend using aptitude instead of apt. It is state-of-the-art and 
much better.

Have fun!

Hans 


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Don't do that!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Today I learnt this: Do NOT use ext4 for the /boot partition, where your 
kernel resides.

I did this on my EEEPC to speed up boot, and today I got at boot the error 
message: initrd.img corrupt. My EEEPC has got an ssd inside and /usr, /home 
and /var are encrypted partitions. 

It took me hours and hours to fix this. First I tried ext2fs, with no success. 
I could run Trinity Rescue Kit from a sd card, and I created a chroot, but not 
all was possible to do in the chroot. 

After lots of tries I got the solution: 

1. I backuped all the content of /boot to another drive.
2. Booted with a livefile and formatted /boot to ext2.
3. Restored /boot
4. Edited /etc/fstab, removed the UUID of /boot and removed disacard,noatime
5. Now I could boot again.
6. From the running system started "update-initramfs -u"
7. Did "dpkg-reconfigure linux-base", so I got the UUID in all necessary config 
files again.
8. For making all sure. did "update-grub"
9. Finally test, rebooted again, everything was ok.

So NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use ext4 for /boot! Don't do it! 
(If I would have read the manual, I should have known, ext4 and grub is still 
in experimental state)


Best regards

Hans


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Re: Don't do that!

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 23. April 2013 schrieb Brad Alexander:
> That is interesting. I have a similar setup on my workstation:
> 
> /dev/sda2 ext4964532 59380856156   7% /boot
> 
> With the rest of the filesystems in an encrypted LVM container. I built
> (rebuilt) this machine a couple of years ago, and have never had an
> issue...To include power failures where the machine did not power down
> gracefully.
> 
> Could it have been a problem with your SSD, e.g. a bad spot, or could the
> initramfs have been corrupted on write?
> 

initramfs was corrupted because of the filesystem.
> Do you have other kernels installed? (I usually keep, at a minimum, the
> current one and the last one.)
> 

Yeah, my fault. I had had two kernels, but some weeks ago I deleted one. 
However with ext4 everything went fine - until today

Happy hacking

Hans


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Re: failed to install xserver-xorg-core

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Montag, 6. Mai 2013 schrieb Kejia柯嘉:
> Hi,
> 
> I tried to upgrade squeez to wheezy, but lost gui. I guess it is
> necessary to re-install xserver-xorg-core, but failed to do that:
> ``
> apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   xserver-xorg-core
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B/1762 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 4258 kB of additional disk space will be used.
> (Reading database ... 280332 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking xserver-xorg-core (from
> .../xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.12.4-6_amd64.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.12.4-6_amd64.deb
> (--unpack):
>  unable to create `/usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libglx.so.dpkg-new'
> (while processing `./usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so'): No
> such file or directory
> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> Processing triggers for man-db ...
> Processing triggers for libglx-nvidia-alternatives ...
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.12.4-6_amd64.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> ''
> Any clues?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> ☵☯☲
Looks like nvidia package is blocking things. Try to uninstall nvidia 
packages, then try again and reinstall nvidia packages. 

If you get in trouble with 32-bit graphical applications like googleearth, I 
suggest not to use the nvidia packages, but the nvidia-installer from nvidia's 
site.

However, if you do so, do not forget to purge debian nvidia-packages during 
uninstall.

Good luck! 

Hans


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Re: failed to install xserver-xorg-core

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Montag, 6. Mai 2013 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Mon, 6 May 2013 14:47:57 -0400
> Kejia柯嘉  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kejia柯嘉,
> 
> >I purged the nvidia driver and re-installed it (by nvidia-installer).
> >But the nouveau module is still loaded even if I did everything
> >indicated here:
> >http://www.pimp-my-rig.com/2012/01/unload-nouveau-install-nvidia-driver.ht
> >ml.
> 
> That site tells you how to be rid of nouveau.  It doesn't tell you how
> to get nVidia going.  You need a minimal xorg.conf file, at the very
> least, thus;
> 

You can either delete the kernel module (bad way), or blacklist iit. Look at 
/etc(modprobe.d/ and you will find other blacklisted modules.

Just create a new one with the syntax like the othr files.

Good luck!

Hans


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Re: google earth ia32-libs-gtk on wheezy:

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

uple of times, I removed it from my machine about 8 months ago.
> 
> I installed googleearth-package, run make-googleearth-package,
> installed the compiled googleearth_6.0.3.2197+0.7.0-1_amd64.deb.
> Pretty standard.

Googleeartg will not run without 32-bit accelerator drivers. If you use 
Nvidia-graphic cards, you should nor use debian packages. They will nt work. 
It is a bug! 

Try instead the nvidia installer from the nvidia site. But before you install 
the driver with this script, make sure, you uninstalled and purged all debian 
nvidia stuff.

And of course you need to have a multiarch environment, as googleearth is a 
32-bit application.

Good luck!

Hans



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Re: google earth ia32-libs-gtk on wheezy:

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2013 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 21:12:07 +0200
> "Hans-J. Ullrich"  wrote:
> 
> Hello Hans-J.,
> 
> >Googleeartg will not run without 32-bit accelerator drivers. If you use
> 
> Good point;  I'd forgotten that.
> 
> >Nvidia-graphic cards, you should nor use debian packages. They will nt
> >work. It is a bug!
> 
> Is that recent?  As I used to use the Debian installed nvidia DKMS
> drivers without problem when I installed googleearth.

Yes, sadly it is. Seems no one cared for this till then. It looks like a 
problem with libxvmc1, which is needed for 32-bit acceleration. 

But, installing this lib will deinstall several other applications, which is 
surely not wanted. It is just a dependency problem. 

I believe, there is a bugreport related to this, but it is months old.

The best way is just to install the friver with the script from the nvidia 
site. Works like a charm.

Hans


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Re: W-Lan won't work

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Freitag, 10. Mai 2013 schrieb Mariusz Wojcik:
> After an upgrade from wheezy to Sid W-Lan module won’t work. rfkill says me
> that W-Lan is hard blocked but I haven’t blocked it hard. I use Asus X75A
> with W-Lan with W-Lan modul Qualcomm Atheros AR9485.
> 
> Greets,
> 
> Mariusz Wojcik
Maybe complete poweroff might help. Maybe you can unblock it with rfkill.
You might also try to unload the wlan-module and then use rfkill.

I had this problem with 3.2.0-kernel and upgraded to 3.6-kernel from unstable 
without any problems.

There is an open bugreport by me, which touches this problem.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: google earth ia32-libs-gtk on wheezy:

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> $ /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin
> gives:
> /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared
> libraries: libgoogleearth_free.so: cannot open shared object file: No
> such file or directory
> 
> # /usr/local/bin/googleearth
> gives:
> Couldn't run Google Earth (googleearth-bin). Is GOOGLEEARTH_DATA_PATH
> set?
Could you post the output of make-googleearth-package? You should run it as 
root.

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Re: google earth ia32-libs-gtk on wheezy:

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Seems ok for me.
> $ /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin
> /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared
> libraries: libgoogleearth_free.so: cannot open shared object file: No
> such file or directory

Try to build teh package as real root, not with sudo and install the package 
again.

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Re: google earth ia32-libs-gtk on wheezy:

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> as real root, googleearth won't install,
> # apt-get install ./googleearth_6.0.3.2197+0.7.0-1_amd64.deb
> 

No no, don't use apt-get. If you want to install via apt-get, the package must 
be in /var/cache/apt/archives.

Just install it with 

dpkg -i /path_to_where_the_package_is/googleearth_bla.deb

as root.

Dependencies should then also be shown. If some libs are missing and the 
googleearth package could not be installed, just install the libs manually. If 
all needed libs are installled, the package will automatically finish its 
installation.

Good luck!

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libreoffice wheezy

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello!

Can someone explain why the version in wheezy-backports is higher than in 
wheezy (aka stable) ?

IMO wheezy-backports should be older than stable, shouldn't it?

Best regards

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Libreoffice4 in wheezy? Several questions

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello all,

I wanted to install LO4 in wheezy. I wondered, why it is in wheezy-backports 
but not in testing. Maybe the packages in wheezy-backports are too young for 
testing? 

However, I managed it by using aptitude and made sure, all dependencies are 
correct.

But I guess, there is an easier way, to update my ONLY my installed packages 
out of wheezy. In the wiki I read, you can use apt-get -t wheezy-backports 
install $package, which worked well.

And of course, i can edit the apt pinning system to give wheezy-backports a 
higher ranking. But wouldn't this affect other packages, too?

I suppose, there might be a way just to update certain packages from wheezy-
backports using the pinning system, but I fear, I can use this only for meta-
packages or directly named packages. Please correct me, if I am wrong.

And last question: If Libreoffice4 will be put into testing repo, will those 
packages then be newer than those in wheezy-backports or is this a matter of 
chance?

Thanks for your answers! This will help me to help my friends.

Best regards

Hans






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Re: Libreoffice4 in wheezy? Several questions

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Andrei, 
> > But I guess, there is an easier way, to update my ONLY my installed
> > packages out of wheezy. In the wiki I read, you can use apt-get -t
> > wheezy-backports install $package, which worked well.
> 
> Not sure what you mean here, could you please rephrase/elaborate?
> 

No, not quite. I imagined something like "apt-get -t update wheezy-backports" 
and then "apt-get upgrade libreoffice-* | grep installed" or some similar 
command. Just to make sure, to update ONLY the libreoffice-packages (and libs) 
out of wheezy-backports. I suppose, you know, what I mean

 
> 
> In the default configuration packages that you choose to install from
> backports (via -t) will be kept updated, but no other packages from
> backports will be installed. Does this answer your question?
> 
> > And last question: If Libreoffice4 will be put into testing repo, will
> > those packages then be newer than those in wheezy-backports or is this a
> > matter of chance?
> 
> Normally a package has to be in testing first and only then backported
> (to ensure some testing). The package in backports has a special version
> so that apt/dpkg always consider the package in testing to be newer
> (even if the software itself is at the same version).

Yes, this is , what I thought, too. But I learned, that this is not the case. 
In testing the libreoffice version is 3.5.4, whilst in wheezy-backports already 
is 4.0! IMO this is strange, as testing IMO should be higher and newer 
versions than in stable. But in real, libreoffice4 is in unstable(!), and from 
unstable ported to backports. I do not quite understand the policy in this 
behaviour, sorry. :)

Best regards

Hans
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei



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Re: Libreoffice4 in wheezy? Several questions

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 19. Mai 2013 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
> On Sunday 19 May 2013 17:05:40 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Your backported packages, _and_ _only_  your backported
> > packages will be updated from wheezy-backports.
> 
> Sorry, upgraded.
> 
> Lisi

Hi Lisi,

no they did not. I thought, libreoffice would automaticallly update, as wheezy-
backports was in my sources.list. But although the packagaes appeared in 
aptitude, they won't update automatically. So I did it manually.

It was the reason, I started this discussion.

Best regards

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Re: Libreoffice4 in wheezy? Several questions

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Dear Andrei

> Dear Hans-J, could you please clarify your terminology? What do you mean
> by 'automatically update' in above paragraph? Which one of the following
> do you mean:
> 
> 1. I have  version 1 and expected version 2~bpo from backports
> to be installed

What I meant was "I have  bla-3.0 installed (from debian/stable)  and 
expected version 4~bpo from wheezy-backports upgraded.

> 
> As per default configuration of backports (priority 100) 1 will *not*
> happen unless you use '-t backports', but 2 will.
> 

Hmm, so I should use another syntax???
> 
> [1] please avoid using 'update' instead of 'upgrade' in a Debian
> context, but rather stick to the meanings corresponding to
> 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade'.
> 

Of course, my fault. I meant upgrade not update. I was not precise!

> Hope this helps,
> Andrei

Dear Lisi
> Sorry, I don't understand this.  What do you mean by "appeared in 
> aptitude"?? 

I am using the ncurses-gui of aptitude. In this gui the packages appear.
 
> And "did it manually"?  Could you tell us clearly and specifically what you 
> did and what happened, preferably with quotes from the command line.

With "manually", I meant, that I walked with the cursor to all the packages 
and its libs by pressing "+" and "-" to mark them as install or remove. I 
know, the dependencies should be fullfilled by aptitude automatically, but this 
worked not well. I had to fine tune a little bit.


> As I said, backported packages will both update and upgrade, when there is 
> an upgrade available in backports.

It should, but did not. I think, it is, because wheezy-backports got a lower 
pinning ranking.

Regards

Hans






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Re: Libreoffice4 in wheezy? Several questions

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Lisi!
> 
> It does.  The lower pinning is to prevent backports from upgrading your
> whole installation.  If you install from Stable and do not change your
> sources.list, upgrades will only be taken from Stable.  To repeat what I
> said earlier, packages from backports _and_ _only_ packages from
> backports will be upgraded from backports.  If you change the pinning so
> that everything is upgraded from backports, you are likely to land in
> quite a mess.
> 

Yes, that is exactly what I tried to express earlier. It was clear to me, that 
change pinning would result in upgrading all packages from backports and not 
from stable. This was intended to avoid by me, and so I asked the list, as I 
was not quite sure about it.

> You have been imprecise in several of your statements.  I even, to my
> shame, caught it and referred to updates when I should have said upgrades.
>  Apart from that, Andrei and I are being precise.  You must take what we
> say literally.

Oh, I never doubted that you were imprecise. I was imprecise, maybe I cannotz 
express myself in English as well as in my mother language German. I excuse 
for that!

> 
> Andrei is one of the most knowledgeable and helpful of the people on this
> list.  He is also very experienced.  

> You appear to be relatively new to
> Debian.  
Ahem, no, I am not new to debian. But I am no coder (coding is something, 
which is no fun for me). really, I am using debian now since sarge, on 
desktops and on servers as well. And when things are not clear for me or not 
satisfactory documentated, I ask the list. In my social and personal area is 
no one, who I can ask and learn from. I am alone! 

> If you disagree with Andrei, it is a safe bet that it is Andrei
> who is right.  You ought to look at where you are mistaken, not tell
> Andrei that he is wrong.
> 

No no, I do / did not disagree with you. If it looks like this way, it was not 
intended by me. Again, please excuse, if it looked like that.

> You have clearly misunderstood what backports are and how backports
> operate. So I repeat:  packages from backports, and ONLY packages from
> backports, are updated from backports.
> 

Yes, you are right. This thing I really misunderstood. I imagined, to add 
backports to the sources.list would automatically replace packages from stable 
with packages from backports (here clamav for example comes in my mind, where 
every virus database update requires a new clamav binary).

I see, I was wrong.

So, thank you for making things clearer and enlighten me. Happy hacking!

> Lisi

Best

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Re: Wheezy-backports

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Wayne, 
> > topa@dj:~$ fping  http://ftp.debian.org/debian
> > http://ftp.debian.org/debian address not found
> 
> For some reason, which I haven't figured out, is why they are not found?
>  DNS problem or ipv6 or ???
> 

Doesn't wor here, too. But try  "ping ftp.debian.org" as root.
Should work fine.

> Thanks tho the reply.
> 
> __
> Wayne
> 
> > B

Best 

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wheeezy-backports - strange policy?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

I made my minds about wheezy-backports now for a long time, and allow me, to 
open this discussion.

Pleae correct me, if I am wrong: IMO wheezy-backports is the successor to 
debian-volatile and is intended for use of debian/stable users (aka wheezy at 
the moment). As far as I read, packages in wheezy-backports are put into, when 
the environment of those is chenged and a higher (and newer version) is 
needed. As an example I want to name here clamav (which needs a newer version, 
when the virus-database is being updated, some chatprograms like yahoo, ehen a 
new protocol must be used or new protocols have to be used, but package 
versions in wheezy do not support them).

If I am correct, then I do not understand, why packages are available in 
wheezy-backports, but not in debian/testing. According to debian behaviour (I 
think the word policy is the wrong choice here), Packages from unstable will 
be tested, then, if no big bugs appear, get into testing , and when it is 
stable enough, are put into stable.

And if I am still correct, that ALL packages in wheezy-backports are aimed for 
the use only in debian/stable, there will appear things, I do not understand.

1. So, how can it be, that i.e. libreoffice in wheezy-backports is version 4.0, 
whilst in debian/testing it is still 3.5? And the backported version is from 
unstable, it is 4.0!

2. How can it happen, that everyone is telling me, "Do NOT upgrade ALL 
installed packages from wheezy-backports in debian/stable. It will crash your 
system!" ? 

I think, there is a problem with wheezy-backports policy. I like the idea very 
much, and I think, it is good, but if I am correct in all my points, I think, 
it is not easy for unexpierenced users, to use wheezy-backports at all.

Pleae apologize, if I am wrong and I am happy, when I will be enlightend. :)

Best regards

Hans



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Re: 32bit apps under amd64 and nvidia

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2013 schrieb Alan Ianson:
> I just installed wheezy on an amd64 machine and am trying to run a
> 32bit program but it doesn't run. I'm using the stock amd64 kernel and
> the debian packaged nvidia drivers. I used to install an ia32 (or
> somesuch) nvidia package to run 32 bit programs on amd64 with good
> results but wheezy is multiarch and I'm not sure how to proceed.
> 
> TIA for any pointers.. :)

Hi Alan!

This will not work. The problem is missing libxvmc1:ii386, which got a 
dependency problem. There is a bugreport related to it. They say, it was fixed 
by adding a new libnvidiaxvmc1, but it is still not. Got the same problem 
still here. 

By installing libxvmc1:i386, it wants to deinstall several other applications.

Solution: Just install the installer from Nvidia's site. Works like a charm!

Good luck

Hans





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Re: 32bit apps under amd64 and nvidia

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2013 schrieb Dick Thomas:
> On 26/05/13 07:21, Alex Moonshine wrote:
> >> On Sun, 26 May 2013 08:01:33 +0200
> >> "Hans-J. Ullrich" mailto:hans.ullr...@loop.de>>
> > 
> > wrote:
> >> > This will not work. The problem is missing libxvmc1:ii386, which got
> >> > a dependency problem. There is a bugreport related to it. They say,
> >> > it was fixed by adding a new libnvidiaxvmc1, but it is still not. Got
> >> > the same problem still here.
> >> > 
> >> > By installing libxvmc1:i386, it wants to deinstall several other
> >> > applications.
> >> > 
> >> > Solution: Just install the installer from Nvidia's site. Works like a
> >> > charm!
> > 
> > I think, as an alternative solution, you may download libxvmc1:i386 and
> > unpack .so files from it to /usr/lib (and continue to use debian driver
> > packages).
> 
> I ran
> 
> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
> sudo sed -i 's/deb\ /deb\ [arch=amd64,i386]\ /g' /etc/apt/sources.list
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
> 
> 
> and it works for me
> 
> I found this on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=81649&start=15
And does googleearth work, too?

Hans


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Re: 32bit apps under amd64 and nvidia

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2013 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
> On Du, 26 mai 13, 17:31:50, Dick Thomas wrote:
> > sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
> > sudo sed -i 's/deb\ /deb\ [arch=amd64,i386]\ /g' /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> This is not necessary.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei

Hi Andrei,

no this does not work with all apps. Testing with googleearth and some other 
apps will fail. The problem seem to be missing libxvmc1:i386.

This bug is still not fixed. Building the packages from Nvidia installer 
however is working fine.

So, whoever needs 32-bit apps running, he might be adviced to install Nvidia-
*.run - until the dependencies will be fixed.

Sorry for telling so.

Best regards

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java and other plugins in konqueror

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello all,

I got into a slight problem, which I meanwhile could solve. The problem was, 
that konqueror didn't want to start the java-applet, when it was needed, 
although 
- java was existent
- icedetea-plugin was installed
- java path was correct
- update-alternative --config java was correctly set to openjdk-6

I found the solution, when I compared my system with another working system 
(both running debian/testing). The cause of the problem where wrong plugin 
paths set in konqueror. This could be fixed by editing them by hand.

The working system was a little bit newer and fresh installed squeeze system, 
whilst the not working system was installed as sarge and then contiously 
upgraded.

So, of course, the setting of paths for the plugins may changed during the 
time.

I figured out, the entries are stored in ~./kde/share/config/kcmnspluginrc.

But, where can I find a file of it? I tried apt-file search kcmnspluginrc, but 
got no result. So I guess, this file will be generated, either by installing 
konq-plugins or at first start of kde.

Can someone tell me, how this file got be created or installed? Or what should 
be the "default" content of it? I googled, but found no staisfactory 
description.

Thanks for your help.

Have a nice weekend

Hans



 


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Re: LINUX on floppy

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Am Samstag, 8. Juni 2013 schrieb alex.pad...@laposte.net:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a bugg with fsck and I can't repare the file system of my hard disk.
> Do you know an LINUX on floppy with a boot to repare my file system.
> Thanks
> Regards
> 
> Alex

Hi Alex,

try Trinux (google at it) or you can use tomsrtbt (http://www.toms.net/rb/).

The second one helped a lot.

If you got a netbook and you can boot from an usb stick, you might want to use 
"Trinity Recue Kit" or "Rescue is Possible" aka R.I.P..

Both are my favourite tools. To get both on an usb stick, use unetbootin 
(available for linux and windows) for it.

Hope this helps

Good luck!

Hans



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Remove user data of uninstalled packages

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi there,

just a question. Is there any way to remove user configuration files of 
uninstalled packages except to delete ~./whatever manually?

apt-get --purge ~c (and aptitude purge) does that for configuration files in 
/etc, but do you know a similar way for files below /home ?

If this is not intended, just let me also know.

Thanks for your answers.

Best regards

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Re: Remove user data of uninstalled packages

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Sonntag, 9. Juni 2013 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:38:53 +0200
> "Hans-J. Ullrich"  wrote:
> 
> Hello Hans-J.,
> 
> >just a question. Is there any way to remove user configuration files of
> >uninstalled packages except to delete ~./whatever manually?
> 
> That's the only way to do it.
> 
> It can be handy if you decide that, after all, you *do* want that
> package installed;  You don't have to reconfigure it from scratch.
> 
> With the size of hard drives being what they are, a few kB of config
> directory data is nothing to worry over, IMO.

Hi Brad,

yes, maybe, but after more than 10 years of using debian a lot of unnecessary 
stuf is in my ~home directory. And as I am now using a SSD drive, space is 
more important than before. 

However, I will just decide manually and create a script, which I can run on 
all my other computers. They all got the same packagelist 
installed/uninstalled. 

Thought I might missed an automatical way, but I learnt, there is none. It is 
just not intended by design.

Best regards

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Re: Ctrl-alt-del to restart window manager with xfce in wheezy?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2013 schrieb Brian:
> On Wed 12 Jun 2013 at 01:46:06 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:27:35PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
> > > I've got xfce window manager installed on pretty-much as it comes
> > > fresh-out-of-the-box Wheezy.
> > > 
> > > I'd like to have -- restart the window manager.

Isn't it -- to kill the window manager?

Or do I fail?

Hans


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Re: Root can startx, main user can't - new Wheezy install

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Thanks for your thoughts,
> 
> Nick

Hi Nick!
You might want to check the settings of .Xauthority in users ~/home.
I had the issue, that its rights were changed from user:user to root:root 
after I started LXDE. 

When changed back to KDE, it won't start again. I manually deleted the file and 
let it create new by KDE.

Another reason might be, if you are using nvidia-drivers. Make sure, your 
users are in group "nvidia" (should be automatically set by the package 
installer). Check the same, if you use fglrx driver.

You can start startx by the console, so you can see, what errors are given. 
Try also other settings in xorg.conf (in case, you are using one), especially 
for graphic drivers. Try entries like "nv" or "vesa" or "ati" , depending on 
your hardware.

Hope this helps a little bit. 

Good luck! 

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debian.de failure?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi, 
is there a DNS problem known for the domain debian.de? Konqueror is telling me 

unknown domain:www.debian.de

Yesterday everything worked fine, and strangewise I can still get 
channel.debian.de without any problem.

If everything is ok, please let me also know.

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Re: computer rendered un-usable

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> Yes, for the swap I agree, regarding to /home there aren't real advantages
> on a home PC, when disk space was expensive it had a disadvantage, since
> the user had to take care how to allocate the disk space.
> 
> Mounting / as r only isn't really needed, if you install a new Linux and
> you want to keep /home, havnig it not separated from / isn't really a
> disadvantage.
> 
> What advantages should there be? Why not directly go the completely
> obsolete root and have a partition for /boot, /tmp, /var? Yes, it makes
> sense for some machines, but please explain the benefits for most,
> averaged home PCs.
> 
> We audio production folks for sure have reasons not only to use a
> separated partition, but a completely separated second or third hard disk.
> Would you recommend to do the same for people who don't do audio
> productions, just for media player usage?
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

Hi Ralf, 

I disagree with you. IMO putting /home on a seperate partition has a lot of 
advantages.

First, when your system is so bad damaged, that you need to reinstall the 
complete OS, all the setting of the can stay untouchable. These are passwords, 
desktop settings, addressbooks and whatever. 

Second, when space is getting low on /home, it is easy to add a new device and 
put users data onto it on the new device. This can be also done while the 
system is running (special hardware needed). This might be more important on 
servers, but may also become important on desktp systems or notebooks with 2 
harddrives built in.

Third, security. You can just encrypt the /home partition, whilst the rest of 
the system can be left in unencrypted state (especially better for 
troubleshooting purposes)

Fourth, if you are using /home on an own device, you can carry it around, 
while got every personal setting with you.

There might be a lot more advantages, but these are IMO the most obvious.

Happy hacking

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Re: computer rendered un-usable

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Montag, 24. Juni 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:52:34 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans :)
> 
Hi Ralf,
> In my home there are exactly those configs you mentioned, but no data,
> such as large audio productions, just a few pics etc., however, if my
> Linux gets broken I restore it from a backup, including my home. Even for
> a new install I could restore /home from a backup, this isn't work and
> only takes minutes. When doing the backups I even can backup folder
> separated.
> 
Yes, but iMO the problem is not the data, mor the mass of settings, people 
store in their /home. I have, for example a lot of different passwords on lots 
of sites, stored in an encrypted database. Not to think of, if they would have 
beeen gone. (But do not fear, I am a professionell - I have a backup available 
:)  )

> Now we could extend this discussion. I for example use MBR with averaged
> partitioning when ever possible, because IMO it's the most comfortable to
> use ;).

Of course, I also have an image available of my whole drive. 
> 
> > Third, security. You can just encrypt the /home partition, whilst the
> > rest of the system can be left in unencrypted state (especially better
> > for
> > troubleshooting purposes)
> 
> You can encrypt the /home folder too ;).
> 

This is, what I did, too. Did I mention, I am a professionel? :)

> > Fourth, if you are using /home on an own device, you can carry it around,
> > while got every personal setting with you.
> 
> You can copy the data to something smaller, if you need those settings
> elsewhere. I never did and I guess we aren't talking about an averaged
> home PC anymore.
> 

This is all right, if you do not need a lots of data. Sometiomes a floppy disk 
will even be enough. However, I might imagine people, who might want to carry 
theire data and theire settings around

Oh, and please do not misunderstand. Of course, I know, that an extra 
partition is not really needed for /home. It is just a nice-to-have. I just 
wanted to point on things, which might be an advantage for one or another 
users needs or wishes. 

It is linux, free software, really free, and each should use it, in any way he 
wants to use it. And THIS is the greatest advantage!

> Regards,
> Ralf

Happy hacking and best regards

Hans


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Re: Separate partitions for filesystems (was Re: computer rendered un-usable)

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Montag, 24. Juni 2013 schrieb David Guntner:
> Hans-J. Ullrich grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
> > Oh, and please do not misunderstand. Of course, I know, that an extra
> > partition is not really needed for /home. It is just a nice-to-have. I
> > just wanted to point on things, which might be an advantage for one or
> > another users needs or wishes.
> 
> I guess I'm just way too "old school" UNIX for this day and age :-)
> 
> $ df -k
> Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sda5  1818872246072   1480336  15% /
> tmpfs  1547604 0   1547604   0% /lib/init/rw
> udev   1542716   228   1542488   1% /dev
> tmpfs  1547604   580   1547024   1% /dev/shm
> /dev/sda1   137221 17896112004  14% /boot
> /dev/sda1267284600  14872800  48993896  24% /home
> /dev/sda9 28835836332044  27039012   2% /opt
> /dev/sda6  2882592 70240   2665920   3% /tmp
> /dev/sda7 28835836   5551880  21819176  21% /usr
> /dev/sda8 48060296  15360892  30258036  34% /usr/local
> /dev/sda1028835836803776  26567280   3% /var
> /dev/sda1128835836177024  27194032   1% /var/spool
> $
> 
> As you can see, I'm a BIG believer in separation of filesystems. 
> 
>   --Dave
Me too.
rootfs  7225964  5698580   1153628   84% /
udev  102400 102400% /dev
tmpfs 206012  6842053281% /run
/dev/disk/by-uuid/4a3f4888-aefb-4bee-a23d-3c03ec22c9d7   7225964  5698580   
1153628   84% /
tmpfs   51200  51200% /run/lock
tmpfs96558009655800% /run/shm
/dev/sdb3  24889531001205042   14% /boot
/dev/mapper/home  30104528 19979556   8589076   70%
/home
/dev/mapper/usr   20025212 13781072   5220244   73% /usr
/dev/mapper/var9945964  3686736   5747332   40% /var

And look, encryption is important for me.

Best 

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Re: computer rendered un-usable

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Montag, 24. Juni 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> Hi Hans :)
> 
> On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 17:32 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > Did I mention, I am a professionel? :)
>
This was just a little joke. :)
 
> There's no need to mention this, because this is what my guess was. All
> you've written sounds plausible, but IMO less is more for an averaged
> home PC.
> 
> However, regarding to have a separated /home (and swap ;) only my claim
> that this might be a disadvantage, is a little bit overdone. I wanted to
> take the wind out of sails, assumed there would came recommendations to
> separate e.g. /var, since FHS is under progress ;).

Yeah, that is really an important point. FHS might really a problem in the 
future, if major changes will appear. 

I do not know, if this is correct, but somebody told me this: On servers In 
the early days there were 16 root-directories, which were mounterd each on a 
seperate device. 16, because a SCSI-bus can handle 16 SCSI-drives. And each 
drive can handle 16 logical partitions, so there were max 16 Subdirectories, 
in sum 255 filedirectories. This is not really related to our little 
discussion, but I just wanted to mention it. And I repeart, I do not know, if 
it is true. Google got me no clear answer. However, I found out, there were 
originally 13 root-directories, and 3, which must not have been necessary 
below /. I forgot all, but /opt for example was one of them.
However, I like the idea, 16 drives and each partition got its own directory. 
I suppose to minimize fragmentzation and increase stabilty. 

> 
> If the FS hierarchy should change for Debian too and people want to
> upgrade from stable to testing and testing should use another hierarchy,
> such a transition is easier to do, if not too many directories have
> their own partitions.
> 

Hmm, I guess, that would not much be the problem, as you mostly need 
directories and it is unimportand, which device it is mounted to - as long, as 
it is a memory device (of course) and there is enough space available. 
Mounting keyboards is not a good idea.

> Regards,
> Ralf

Have fun!

Hans


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Re: TRIM support with XFS

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> So my question is: Does TRIM work with XFS in Wheezy and what should I do
> to use it?
> 
> John

Hi John, 

as far as I know, the partitions will be correct created by debian. Trimmings 
is not a problem of the filesystem, but of partitioning. So, you can either 
partitition with debian (whhezy or higher), or you can also use a live-file cd 
like "gparted-live". It is the kernel, who is responsible for that. 3.2 and 
higher will always work.

Have fun!

Best regards

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Repository pinning?

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello folks,

I want to add a repository to debian, exactly the kali repository, because it 
has packets, which are not in debian repo.

But I do not want automatically debian packets from the kali repo.
Can I use pinning for a special entry in sources.list so it does only install 
those packages, which are NOT in debian repo? And if so, how?

I just want to avoid, doing an aptitude full-upgrade and mix system files!

Thanks for any help.

Best regards

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Re: wheezy keyboard shortcuts w/ lxde

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi Robert,

just a clue. As far as I know, lxde iks using the environment of the shell.
So just install and configure the packages consolöe-data, console-setup and 
maybe kbd to your needs.

Also make sure, your packages for the required language are installed.
These are moytly packages *-l10n-*, I gues you know, which I mean.

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

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Re: *Another* Backup software question...

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Samstag, 13. Juli 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> I forgot to mention that we experience floppy disks as very reliable,
> but useless for data of modern computers, because of the low amount of
> data that can be stored.

Don't know, if these are already mentionened. There are Datadisks called 
"worms" (this is what they are called here in Germany). They need a special 
drive. The advantage is, that those worms are guaranteed by the manufacturer 
to do not loose data for 20 years. 

Worms look like DVD's, its capacity is about 10GB. Those are used by some 
German government to store important data like plans of houses or other 
documents.

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Re: *Another* Backup software question...

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> This seems not to be a solution for most of us.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

Yeah, it was just an idea. :) However, for backup purposes, my solutions are 
the following:

Solution 1: 
If you have another server available, use rsync and make two copies. First 
one, just copy all files to a folder on the second server. If your system 
crashes, you can quick install a new system and rsync back (i.e. via crossover 
cable).
You can add a cron job, to do this thing hourly, daily and weekly. Works fine, 
tested at work on my servers.

The second copy I suggest, use clonezilla (or partimage) to make a file of your 
complete partition(s) or better harddrives. In case of a hardware crash, you 
can just buy a new one, and can restore back (including all partitions!) in 
one step.

Solution 2:
If you have NO second server, I suggest again two ways. Fgirst one is, to 
store the things above on an USB drive. Harddrives are cheap now, but as Ralf 
already mentioned, if they fall down, you get a brick. 

So maybe solution 2 comes in handy. Install an old PC (some Pentium 1 will do 
it) , and mak a fileserver. You do not need much, just base debian system and 
rsync. However, maybe, you want it improve? Just add DRBL to it, so you can 
save harddrive images there and can boot from it. Hey, take a look at 
clonezilla website!

Solution 3: 
Using colonezilla-livefile make images of your harddrive. You can split it in 
4,5GB chunks and copy them to DVD. But remember: DVD and CD will not be ok 
forever, but if you make 3 or 4 sets of it, it is relatively unlikely, that 
the same part will be defective on all DVD's. Be careful., when creating them, 
MD5sum will help to check.

Solution 4: You can also use the cloud. IMO this is the worst solution, as I 
want always have complete control of all my data. However, you benefit of small 
costs and that the provider takes care that data will not be sofisticated and 
will be secured. If you decide for this, you should in any case encrypt all 
date very hard. And encrypt it offline, best somewhere else and then upload it 
- 
of course with a protocol that is highly encrypted as well (like ssh).

Solution 5: Another bad solution. You can use tape drives. Tapes are cheap, 
but their disadvantage is, they are slow and you need a tape drive. However, 
tapes are rather good for long time saves. Of course, they also will not live 
forever. But data recovering shall work fine, even at errors on the tape. I 
never checked this, but at the governmentm where I worked in a  data 
processing center, I heard much good of tapes. Ok, they are obsolete. :)

Maybe, if I think more, there might be some more solutions, but maybe this 
gives you some more ideas.

Have fun and happy hacking!

Hans



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Re: *Another* Backup software question...

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Huh, and I forgot  to mention "back-in-time". Based on rsync, nice tool, and 
there is a debian package available.

Hans


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live-build questions

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi all, 
don't know, if I may ask these questions here, but I allow me to do so.

1. How can build a new iso, when I already did a live build?
(in case, when there are new package versions available)
lb clean and lb clean --binary did not help. The second build started again, 
hen I did a lb clean --purge - but then I have to download all the packages 
again! And I do not want to download 3 GB again and again.

2. How can I add my own configurations in the build? 
I want to add my own xorg.conf and my own 50-synaptics.conf

Thanks for any help.

I already checked the live-build manual, but not everything was clear for me 
(i.e. I did not understand, what the docu meant with "stages")

Best regards

Hans

P.S. The build was a kali-linux vuild.


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acpi problem

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

I am looking for a solution of a little problem.

My Acer 7520G has got a volume knob aside, and when I turn it, volume is 
getting higher or lower (it is just a digitally stepping wheel).

But in my syslog I find thus messages:

Aug  3 08:58:38 localhost logger: acpid: action VOLUP is not defined
Aug  3 08:58:38 localhost logger: acpid: action VOLUP is not defined
Aug  3 08:58:40 localhost logger: acpid: action VOLDN is not defined
Aug  3 08:58:40 localhost logger: acpid: action VOLDN is not defined

How can I avoid this messages? I suppose, it is a misconfiguration of acpi. 
Must I find out, which keycode this wheel does and then define it in some 
config?

I did this before with setkeycode (when I remember correctly), but it was 
years ago. I hope, this problem can be solved.

Best regards

Hans


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Re: acpi problem

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

> Reading and understanding the following may get you closer to your goal,
> specifically the section on volume control:
> 
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acpid

Hi Stan!

Yeah, that's what I was looking for. Great! It will help me a lot. 

I think, I will now be able to get this thing to work myself. Thanks for this 
information. If I will stuck again, I will write again - but I think, I would 
not need to.

Best regards

Hans


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32-bit problems with nvidia packages

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hello list,

I need to use some 32-bit applications on my amd64 system. These are 3d-
accelerated. 

But it looks lioke there is a bug in the packages. When I for example start 
googleearth, it starts, but I cannot see the planet.

This problem exists since the change to multiarch.

However, when I install the installer from Nvidia site (NVidia-bla*.run), and 
say, to install the 32-bit libs, too, during that install process, verything 
is working fine.

I could do so and do not use the debian packages, but I think, you might want 
to get this fixed. Sadly the latest Nvidia modules cannnot be build with kernel 
3.10 (I mean now those from the NVidia-bla*.run installer). 

The debian nvidia-kernel module of course can be build (using dkms).

I think, I did not miss some libs, these are installed:

dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia
glx-alternative-nvidia  install
libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 install
libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386  install
libxvmcnvidia1:amd64install
nvidia-alternative  install
nvidia-driver   install
nvidia-glx  install
nvidia-installer-cleanupinstall
nvidia-kernel-commoninstall
nvidia-kernel-dkms  install
nvidia-support  install
nvidia-vdpau-driver:amd64   install
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia   install

And of course my system is multiarch. Jus got problems with the nvidia-
packages. 

There is already a bugreport relatd to this, but can't remember the number, 
sorry.

Can someone else either report, if he is managed to run it on a 64-bit system 
and how he did? Or confirm my problem somehow? Would be nice, so I can look, 
what the reason for this behavior is.

Thanks and best regards

Hans


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Re: 32-bit problems with nvidia packages

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Dienstag, 13. August 2013 schrieb Brad Alexander:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> Is it possible that you have some version creep? I had this on my multiarch
> sid system. There was a bug which made all of the VTs disappear. The quick
> fix was to upgrade a few of the packages (including nvidia-glx, iirc) to
> the version from experimental. Well, a few weeks ago, I upgraded and it
> broke several things, including my cisco anyconnect client, whch I only had
> in 32bit. Downgrading everything to the same version (304.88 in sid, which
> I believe is supposed to be a long-term support release of that driver)
> fixed things quite handily.
> 
> HTH,
> --b

Hi Brad!

No, I don't think so. The problem appeared first at multiarch. It was when I 
removed ia32-libs* out of the way. Since that day, the problem appeared. It is 
not only googleearth, which face this, it is also other 32-bit apps, that make 
problems. 

With googleearth the problem is good to see: When everything is running fine, 
the earth appears, if not, you get a gray background. 

My 32-bit flight simulator (X-Plane) for example, does not start, too. And 
notice: The problem does NOT appear, when I install using NVidia's installer! 
So the problem MUST be in the 32-bit part of debian packages. 

As I said, there WAS a bugreport related to this, but maybe it is closed 
meanwhile. If not, hope some developer might be reminded at this.

Best

Hans

  


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Re: Formatted Disk

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Am Freitag, 16. August 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:30 +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> > Ethan Rosenberg, PhD:
> > > I have a usb drive, with data on it, that I [stupidly!!] tried to
> > > name using fdisk.  Of course, it erased the data.  I have not used
> > > the drive since then.  I think there is a method to "unformat" a
> > > drive. What shall I do now?
> > 
> > Generally, it should be possible to access the filesystem if you restore
> > the previous partitioning scheme. I don't think putting a label on a
> > partition should have destroyed existing partitions, but anyway.
> > 
> > If you cannot restore the old partition layout for some reason, you can
> > install testdisk and use the program "photorec". It can restore almost
> > anything, unless you write to the disk. Caveat: photorec will not
> > restore the directory layout. You will have one directory with
> > everything in it.
> 
> Before you do anything like making a backup with dd and/or use photorec
> or any other recovery tool of that kind, mount the USB stick read only.
> Until you haven't restore your data, mount it only read and write, when
> needed.

I often used a tool called "getdataback_for_fat" , and "getdataback_for_ntfs". 
There is a demo version available. 

If this does not work, you can try dd the drive to a file, and then extract 
your data from this file.

For this part I am using "deft-7.2", which is a forensic livesystem. Version 
7.2 is the last, with "hb4most" on it, a nice GUI for the famous tools 
"foremost" and/or "scalpel".

DEFT got also other tools on it. And it is linux! Debian based, as far as I 
know.

It also has other tools on it. For Windows thereis DARTS2 on the CD, which is 
also very mighty.

Hope this helps

Good luck!


Hans 




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question to live-build

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

Hi folks, 

I hope, someone is more experienced with live-build than me.

The problem:
I have set up a live-build for kali-linux, which I want often build for new 
updates. But I do not want to download the whole stuff every time, so I am 
using apt-cacher-ng, which is working perfectly 

I also want to avoid the installing and unpacking of the whole stuff at every 
run, if this is possible. And I want just to download newer or additionally 
stuff, of course.

Now my question:
What is the best command before any build?
lb clean? lb clean --binary? lb clean --cache? lb clean --chroot?

At the moment I am just using lb clean, and it works well, except it unpackes 
all packages every time.

I creates a little script for me, which I attached. Nothing special, jsut to 
make things easier, You can use and change it in any way you want. 

This script will be improved and released by me, as soon as I understand live-
build better.


Thanks for your help.

Best regards

Hans 


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