Lost /home partition
In a Debian-based distro (Ubuntu) I have had a corruption of my /home partition, which resides on sda4 of my Dell Inspiron laptop. Not knowing what to do, and with no way to boot and google the situation, I played Y, Y, Y to all fsck's questions. Now, /home is empty. I do have a backup from 4 weeks ago, as I backup the first of every month, but I have done quite a bit of work this past month. I'm very interested in recovering the data. More info: This is a Dell Inspiron machine, 2.0GHz dual-core Intel processor, 2GB RAM, 80GB 7000RPM hard drive, ATI X1400 video. The disk is partitioned with sda1: 15GB /; sda2: 15 GB blank (Fedora was to go here) ; sda3: 3GB swap ; sda4: ~47 GB /home. I set these partitions a few months ago when I last installed Ubuntu. I had begun install of Fedora 7 when the machine crashed- I didn't get to the real install part. Upon rebooting (into Ubuntu), it complained something about inodes. I gave it the root paassword (yes, I had previously set a root password) and ran fsck (or something else resembling a rather unacceptable work, appropriate name by the way). A few Y, Y, Y's later I could boot the system. However, as soon as I logged into KDE I was returned to the login screen. I CTRL-ALT-F4ed into a terminal and logged in as root. I then cd'ed into /home, and ls showed that there was nothing there. I immediatly ran shutdown -h and now that I'm home I'm writing from the wife's desktop. Any help in recovering the /home/user directory, or even specific files therein, whould be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/ http://what-is-what.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lost /home partition
On 30/07/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 02:05:38AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > In a Debian-based distro (Ubuntu) I have had a corruption of my /home > > partition, which resides on sda4 of my Dell Inspiron laptop. Not > > knowing what to do, and with no way to boot and google the situation, > > I played Y, Y, Y to all fsck's questions. Now, /home is empty. I do > > have a backup from 4 weeks ago, as I backup the first of every month, > > but I have done quite a bit of work this past month. I'm very > > interested in recovering the data. > > A corrupted /home should not keep you from booting. You may need to go > single-user or init=/bin/sh but it should boot. > > Probably should have backed up more recently. It sounds like you made > things worse with the YYY. > > Good luck. > > Doug. > Maybe something additional was corrupted, bu I only remember seeing references to sda4, which is /home. Any idea how to get the data back? Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/ http://what-is-what.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lost /home partition
The disk simply was not mounted! I've now mounted it, and I'm backing it up. Reading up on rsync, as well. Sorry for the false alarm... Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/ http://what-is-what.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lost /home partition
On 30/07/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 04:04:29AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > The disk simply was not mounted! I've now mounted it, and I'm backing > > it up. Reading up on rsync, as well. Sorry for the false alarm... > > > > df is your friend. > > Once you have it backed up, compare it with your previous backup. It is > possible that some files may be missing. > > Doug. > Thanks, Doug. That last backup is way out of date, so it would not be an accurate check. But I will go through it and check for missing files. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/ http://what-is-what.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google checking my system?
On 17/08/07, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have noticed for a while that as I type into the IW / FF Google > search box, a drop down list of suggestions (separate from a list of my > previous searches) appears. I don't get the impression that the > browser is downloading it on the fly, so when is that being pulled in? > Is that included in the application installation, or is it also > something the browser is doing on its own? > > > Krzysztof Lubanski > It's AJAX, it's done in real time as you type. AJAX is also used in Gmail, and Gmail will periodically check for new mail without refreshing the page. That's another potential source of the connections. For more on AJAX: http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ajax.html For more on Gmail: http://what-is-what.com/what_is/gmail.html Dotan Cohen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing new languages to locale
I need to install Hebrew and Russian locales to locale. The machine currently has only Zimbabwee English: zeev33:~# locale -a C en_ZW.utf8 POSIX zeev33:~ How does one install the new locales? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Installing new languages to locale
On 08/10/2007, Roberto D'Oliveira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/10/8, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I need to install Hebrew and Russian locales to locale. The machine > > currently has only Zimbabwee English: > > > > zeev33:~# locale -a > > C > > en_ZW.utf8 > > POSIX > > zeev33:~ > > > > How does one install the new locales? Thanks in advance. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > http://what-is-what.com > > http://gibberish.co.il > > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת > > > > Did you try with "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root? > Thanks, Roberto. I didn't know about that. Done! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Cannot apt-get update
When I run apt-get update, it gets stuck at "99% [Waiting for headers] ". I have tried removeing repos from /etc/apt/sources.list but it did not help. What must be done to correct this? I do not know what version Debian this is, or how up to date it is, as it is not my machine. How can I check? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Cannot apt-get update
On 08/10/2007, Gerard Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I do not know what > >version Debian this is, or how up to date it is, as it is not my > >machine. How can I check? > cat /etc/debian_version Thank you Gerard. OT, but is there a general way to check what distro/version any *nix installation is? Today I'm playing with a friend's Debian system, at home I've Ubuntu and Fedora, and tomorrow I might sit at an OpenSuse machine. I like to learn distro-ambiguous tools. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Cannot apt-get update
On 08/10/2007, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/08/2007 09:06 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > When I run apt-get update, it gets stuck at "99% [Waiting for headers] > > ". I have tried removeing repos from /etc/apt/sources.list but it did > > not help. What must be done to correct this? I do not know what > > version Debian this is, or how up to date it is, as it is not my > > machine. How can I check? > > > > Erev tov, Dotan -- I get that message when not connecting to one of the > repos. Just change to new repos for the update/upgrade session by > choosing different ones from the mirrors list on debian.org. > > Ralph Erev tov Ralph! Thank you, I switched repos and the error has disappeared. Toda raba. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Cannot apt-get update
On 09/10/2007, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you Gerard. OT, but is there a general way to check what > > distro/version any *nix installation is? Today I'm playing with a > > friend's Debian system, at home I've Ubuntu and Fedora, and tomorrow I > > might sit at an OpenSuse machine. I like to learn distro-ambiguous > > tools. > > > > dmesg > > Generally, near the top when the kernel boots there's some indication > of what OS this is. > > Doug. Thanks, Doug. dmesg shows the kernel info, but not what distro (or version) is installed. I was hoping to find a way of discovering what distro is installed without rebooted the machine. I'll poke around in the boot log, it may be there. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Cannot apt-get update
On 09/10/2007, Kumar Appaiah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 08:06:39PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Thank you Gerard. OT, but is there a general way to check what > > distro/version any *nix installation is? Today I'm playing with a > > friend's Debian system, at home I've Ubuntu and Fedora, and tomorrow I > > might sit at an OpenSuse machine. I like to learn distro-ambiguous > > tools. > > This might be useful: > http://chennailug.org/wiki/?title=Find_your_distro > Nice script. Note that there's quite a bit of spam on that page. If you're a member of that wiki, then I suggest that you erase it. I don't want to register, and I could not find the address of anyone responsible at the chennailug website. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Cannot apt-get update
On 09/10/2007, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I guess there won't be one place to look in all OSs to discover > which one it is. > > In OpenBSD, the first line of the dmesg is > OpenBSD (version) (kernel version) > > In Debian, to know the version, you really have to look at the > /etc/apt/sources_list, since /etc/debian_version only gets changed with > each stable release; you can't tell the diff between testing and Sid. > > I don't know what Ubuntu looks like. > > The NetBSD and OpenBSD have a man afterboot. Then again, its easy to > tell if you are running a Linux or a BSD. > > Doug. Thanks. I'll start familiarizing myself with the different outputs. I'm no guru, and will never be one, but I like to know as much as I can. Thank you. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: Cannot apt-get update
On 09/10/2007, Marcello Barreto de Medeiros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could try: cat /etc/issue > > ##Fedora box: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /etc/issue > Fedora Core release 4 (Stentz) > Kernel \r on an \m > > ##Debian box: > jpa:~# cat /etc/issue > Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l > > ##Ubuntu box: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/issue > Ubuntu 7.04 \n \l Nice. Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Re: How to read phone memory card?
On 18/10/2007, Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know how can Debian read a mobile phone memory card? > > I think I properly inserted the card into the PC, but then, how to mount it - > *if* possible? > > Thanks for any reply > Rodolfo I assume that you are referring to an SD card or one of it's derivitives. It most likely will show up as a USB device as that's how the card reader is interfaced, even on laptops with built-in card readers. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: How to read phone memory card?
On 19/10/2007, Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your replies, but not lsusb nor dmesg or fcdisk seem to tell > anything about what the device could be. In the output of dmesg there's no > `sd*' entry. Like I said, the card reader (whether internal or not) shows as a usb device. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Which browser is better, firefox?
On 04/11/2007, hce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Is the firefox the best browser? > > When I installed the Debian, it automatically included iceweasel. I > removed it and tryed to install firefox by "apt-get install firefox", > but it it got iceweasel gain. How can I install the firefox? > Iceweasel is the Debian name for Firefox. Same program. Is it the best browser? I'd say that Konqueror or Opera is the best browser, even though I don't use either of them. Konqi and Opera are both very standards compliant, more so than Firefox. Lynx is a great text browser and I find myself using it more and more. However, I am a slave to certain Fx extensions so I continue to use it. Basically, if your browser works with the sites that you need and is comfortable for you to use, then that's all you need. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Which browser is better, firefox?
On 04/11/2007, Manon Metten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/4/07, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > This means, Iceweasel *is* Firefox just with another name. > > > > Yes, usually. But it also wreaks havoc with certain sites because the > > user agent says "ice weasel" which most sites don't recognize. If you > > stay with ice weasel, I recommend the firefox user agent switcher > > plugin if you have any problems with scripts not running etc. > > Or in about:config set "general .useragent.extra.firefox" to > "Firefox/2.0.0.8". > > Manon. > Or write to the websites that do UA sniffing and serve mungled content to each browser. Tell them to write standard, valid code. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Which browser is better, firefox?
On 07/11/2007, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dillo is nice but it doesn't do javascript or https. Links2 does text > mode or graphical mode and does javascript and https. That's what is nice about it (the non-js, not the non-https). > Unless I need graphics or javascript, for textmode I use Lynx. > I use lynx a lot. It's fast, and the clean UI is very refreshing. No flash! (firefox has flashblock, too) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
Cannot update kernel
On Debian Etch on a white box AMD machine with 1GB RAM, I cannot update the system. This is what I get: myhome:/home/zeev# apt-get update Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B] Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Translation-en_US Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Translation-en_US Get:2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release [37.6kB] Get:3 http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release.gpg [189B] Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Translation-en_US Get:4 http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B] Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Translation-en_US Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/non-free Translation-en_US Get:5 http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny Release [68.6kB] Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release Get:6 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages [281kB] Get:7 http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages/DiffIndex [2038B] Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/non-free Packages/DiffIndex Get:8 http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages [6471kB] Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/non-free Packages Fetched 6861kB in 1m33s (73.1kB/s) E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. myhome:/home/zeev# dpkg --configure -a myhome:/home/zeev# man configure No manual entry for configure myhome:/home/zeev# man dpkg Reformatting dpkg(1), please wait... myhome:/home/zeev# dpkg --configure dpkg: --configure needs at least one package name argument Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management; Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; Type dpkg --license for copyright license and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*]. Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' ! myhome:/home/zeev# apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 Suggested packages: linux-doc-2.6.18 The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 607 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B/16.2MB of archives. After unpacking 1896kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Preconfiguring packages ... (Reading database ... 70759 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13 (using .../linux-image-2.6.18-5-486_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17_i386.deb) ... The directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486 still exists. Continuing as directed. Done. Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 ... Running postrm hook script /sbin/update-grub. You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486 Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done Setting up linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-17) ... Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/source However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/source Running depmod. Finding valid ramdisk creators. Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.18.dfsg.1-13 was configured last, according to dpkg) Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.18.dfsg.1-13 was configured last, according to dpkg) Running postinst hook script /sbin/update-grub. You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486 Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done myhome:/home/zeev# Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally
Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?
On 03/02/2008, Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm finally taking the plunge from full CLI to using an X server, and in > place of Mutt I've been using Evolution; But Evolution is nowhere near > as good as Mutt, with threading/speed/customizability (And to boot I > can't even use GViM as my editor!). > > Can anyone suggest a good GTK+ e-mail reader/writer? I have cron getting > my e-mail so the client doesn't even need to have POP/IMAP. > I recently switched from Kmail to Thunderbird, and I would recommend either of them. Kmail seems to thread better, but Tbird is not bad either. Tbird is very customizable with extensions. The only problem with either is speed: 1) Kmail's built in spam filter (bogofilter) is _s_l_o_w_ 2) Thunderbird has a 1/10 second delay when switching messages. Also, Tbird's default keyboard shortcuts are a pain in the ass. You cannot browse messages and scroll messages with the arrow keys only. The only extension that solves it (Nostalgy) doesn't do it very much better: you must hold CTRL while arrowing keying to scroll. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?
On 03/02/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a good GTK+ e-mail reader/writer? I have cron getting > > my e-mail so the client doesn't even need to have POP/IMAP. > > I recently switched from Kmail to Thunderbird, and I would recommend > either of them. I forgot to mention, Kmail is Qt, not GTK+. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Tbird kb shortcuts (was Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?)
On 03/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Last month I tried KMail/KDE for a couple of weeks, because of how > the GNOME people have their heads stuck up MSFT's ass. You haven't seen KDE4 (vista clone) yet. Sad, sad times we are in. > But couldn't stand it. The keyboard shortcuts wouldn't do what I > want them to do (even after considerable customization). What did you want them to do? Kmail, and KDE in general, is very customizable. > So I went back to Icedove & GNOME. Icedove & Gnome? Is that a new Norwegian metal band? :) Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: GTK+ E-mail App on par with Mutt?
On 03/02/2008, Andreas Rönnquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:05:43 -0500 > Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm finally taking the plunge from full CLI to using an X server, and in > > place of Mutt I've been using Evolution; But Evolution is nowhere near > > as good as Mutt, with threading/speed/customizability (And to boot I > > can't even use GViM as my editor!). > > > > Can anyone suggest a good GTK+ e-mail reader/writer? I have cron getting > > my e-mail so the client doesn't even need to have POP/IMAP. > > > > You could give Sylpheed a try. > http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ > > I _think_ it could suit your needs, it does at least support external > editors, is light, and is GTK+. > It does lack HTML rendering of messages, but since you were a Mutt user, I > would guess it doesn't bother you much. > Or Penelope, the Endura-on-Thunderbird implementation. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
What am I missing without mutt?
As a thunderbird user, what am I missing by not using mutt? Teach me, if it's a better client than I'd love to learn it. I'm not afraid of the CLI, and I'm not afraid of VI[M]. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
Sounds great, but the only thing that really makes me interested is the full keyboard control, as none of the other features I need. I'll start looking for Tbird extensions that might help, or I'll learn to write my own. I'm glad I asked, though. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 04/02/2008, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ?? ?. wrote: > > Quoth Dotan Cohen: > >> As a thunderbird user, what am I missing by not using mutt? Teach me, > >> if it's a better client than I'd love to learn it. I'm not afraid of > >> the CLI, and I'm not afraid of VI[M]. > > > What you're missing? Tedious > > fetchmail/procmail/maildrop/exim/sendmail-configuration, 200-lines > .muttrc... > > > This is where it should've ended. Most of the rest of the list doesn't > apply. Dotan, if you're happy with TBird, stick with it. If there's > something you don't like about TBird, see if there's an extension that > addresses it. About the only serious problem with TBird is that the > documentation to write extensions is mired in it's Firefox roots. I will look at other GUI apps (not mutt or pine) and see if I can find something that fits. Truth is, it will be hard to replace Tbird as I've only two gripes with it, yet there's many features (through extensions) that other mailers lack. A simple example is the ability to right- or left- align text. For Hebrew and Arabic users, this is a must. No other mailer provides that. And the Virtual Identity extension makes the From address of replies the To address of the original mail. It even saves which From address I use for each contact when writing new messages. Simply brilliant, and no other mailer provides that. Even though the relevant Kmail bug has been open for over two years. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 04/02/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 03:50:41PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > I will look at other GUI apps (not mutt or pine) and see if I can find > > something that fits. Truth is, it will be hard to replace Tbird as > > I've only two gripes with it, yet there's many features (through > > extensions) that other mailers lack. A simple example is the ability > > to right- or left- align text. For Hebrew and Arabic users, this is a > > must. No other mailer provides that. > > > In .muttrc: > > set display_filter=bidiv > > Though this is not for the index window. > > > > And the Virtual Identity > > extension makes the From address of replies the To address of the > > original mail. > > > http://www.mutt.org/doc/devel/manual.html#alternates Nice. I meant that no other GUI email clients that I had tried had these features. Not Evolution, Sylpsheed[-claws], Kmail, or others. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: No printer in OOo
On 04/02/2008, Paul Csanyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/2/4, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added > > to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only > > print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not > > make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say, > > nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it > > printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance. > > > In the Help of Openoffice menu there is an answer: > You must use spadmin from the command prompt, > to add a printer. > Thanks, Paul, I'll look into that. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
No printer in OOo
On Debian etch, OOo2.3 was first installed, then a printer was added to the system. All programs can print, except OOo. In OOo, the only print listed is Generic Printer, and trying to print to it does not make a job appear in the KDE Print Jobs dialog. Needless to say, nothing printsץ OOo gives no errors, apparently OOo thinks that it printed. What must I check? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Sylpheed bad filename encoding (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)
On 04/02/2008, Celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds great, but the only thing that really makes me interested is > > the full keyboard control, as none of the other features I need. I'll > > start looking for Tbird extensions that might help, or I'll learn to > > write my own. I'm glad I asked, though. Thanks. > > I'm a Sylpheed fan, and not a particularly expert one, and I control it > almost exclusively via keyboard. You can bind custom key combos to > functions using the standard GTK method. > I just installed Sylpheed as I need good keyboard control. However, when I start it I get this message: The locale encoding is not UTF-8, but the environmental variable G_FILENAME_ENCODING is not set. If the locale encoding is used for file name or directory name, it will not work correctly. In that case, you must set the following environmental variable (see README for detail): [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I insist that I have a UTF-8 locale: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=he_IL.utf8 LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="he_IL.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="he_IL.utf8" LC_TIME="he_IL.utf8" LC_COLLATE="he_IL.utf8" LC_MONETARY="he_IL.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="he_IL.utf8" LC_PAPER="he_IL.utf8" LC_NAME="he_IL.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="he_IL.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="he_IL.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="he_IL.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="he_IL.utf8" LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ So, what can I do to convince Sylpheed that I'm on a UTF-8 locale? Note that although this machine has Gnome, I've only ever opened KDE. So something in Gnome may not be set correctly. If so, please let me know what the command for starting it is in the CLI, as because of a stupid ATI driver I cannot open Gnome at all! Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 04/02/2008, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 3, 12:00 pm, "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sounds great, but the only thing that really makes me interested is > > the full keyboard control, > > > Which necessarily involves all of the advantages of using vim and all > of the programmable aspects of Mutt. > > I used T-bird for years. Also used OOwriter and Word for years. But > Vim (or Emacs, or whatever text editor you like) is a hundred times > faster and more efficient than a point-and-click word processor, > right? > Sure, for plain text OOo and Word are terrible tools. They are not meant for that purpose. However, when you need markup such as that for print documents, a word processor is a necessity. > Same goes for Mutt vs. T-bird. Faster, totally programmable, and you > get to compose emails in your favorite text editor. > Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 05/02/2008, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 4, 4:20 pm, "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sure, for plain text OOo and Word are terrible tools. They are not > > meant for that purpose. However, when you need markup such as that for > > print documents, a word processor is a necessity. > > A necessity? Only if you don't know LaTeX. That's true. Though I've never been into kinky. > But I think you see my point. For a text and keyboard person, mutt is > much more efficient. To me using Thunderbird to send email is like > trying to manage text with a word processor. > > To pick up on your analogy. Mutt is made for the purpose of managing > and sending plain text emails. If that's what you want to do, then > it's much more efficient and programmable than a gui email program > like Thunderbird. I see what you are saying. Tell me, in mutt can I have several (5-6) compose messages open and switch between them and the main window that I'm copying / pasting from? Also, will mutt remember that when I write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need the From address to be [EMAIL PROTECTED], and when I write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need the From address to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those two features are necessary to my workwflow, and so far as I understand only GUI mail clients perform the former, while only Thunderbird (with an extension) can perform the latter. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 05/02/2008, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 4, 5:20 pm, "Steve Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It all depends on the work habits of the individual user. > > > Well, you can say that about anything, right? The OP asked what he was > missing, so he's soliciting the opinions of people with different work > habits. > Exactly. I asked because I'm certain that there are those with more experience and more efficient workflows than myself. So I ask. > > Just as while I am a vim devotee for programming Python > > I most certainly would not use it for creating documents fit for > > printing. > > > Well, to me Vim can do almost anything, so I'd rather use it for > programming, emailing, and writing books. I'll grant you that to draft > a one-page memo to a colleague it's probably easiest to use OO or > Word, but in this day and age you're probably going to send an email > anyway, and not a Word doc. > > Trying to stick to the email topic, consider how much easier it is to > grep the /Mail folder, or use Mutt's ~b search, instead of trying to > figure out Thunderbird's clunky search interface. To use just one > example. Although I don't need the search feature often, I agree that Tbird's implementation could use some work. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 06/02/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you managed to see the letters in Dotan's signature, you probably > don't have a problem with UTF-8. Tzafir, were the letters displayed backwards? In the mutt I installed this week, I could type and read in Hebrew, but it was all left to right. Mail sent from Mutt, although LTR in Mutt, did display fine (RTL) in Thunderbird. > Unfortunetly I can see the characters of chineese / korean spam in mutt > as well (or with any other decent mail client of a recent version) > And no - I can't read it. That's what counts! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 06/02/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use display_filter=bidiv - that is, pipe the message through bidiv > before displaying it. > > Editing Hebrew requires some adjustments in vim (or whatever editor you > use) to display "reversed". > Thanks, Tzafir. Mind sharing those VIM hacks with me? I find myself using VIM more and more, but not for Hebrew. Mostly for fooling around in python, bash scripts, and php. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 06/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii. This is > > But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet... > > Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic", > pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are > small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for > extensible vocabulary. Greek is not in ASCII, and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the European languages that have modified Latin scripts are just as small (Hebrew is smaller), simple (Arabic is simpler), regularized (if you mean that there is only a small, repeating set of symbols), easy to print (unless you have a ball-hammer printer), and are perfect basi (sp?) for extensible vocabulary. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 07/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii. This is > >> > >> But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet... > >> > >> Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic", > >> pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are > >> small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for > >> extensible vocabulary. > > > > Greek is not in ASCII, > > Never said it was. > > > and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the > > > Russian derives from Greek. Russian is Cyrillic, which is in fact of Greek and Hebrew origin. Not surprising since it was invented to spread Christianity, and those are the languages of the Original and New Testaments. > Note that I specified Greco-Latin. Greco refers to Greek, no? Or is there some Greek speaking culture that uses Latin letters? I've never heard of them. > > European languages that have modified Latin scripts are just as small > > (Hebrew is smaller), simple (Arabic is simpler), regularized (if you > > mean that there is only a small, repeating set of symbols), easy to > > print (unless you have a ball-hammer printer), and are perfect basi > > (sp?) for extensible vocabulary. > > With the semitic languages, the problem I see is that one letter can > "flow" under another letter, and dots here and there change the > meaning of the letter. > In Arabic, most letters combinations flow into one another as does cursive script in Russian and English. There are still the same amount of letters, in fact, when typing Arabic one does not pay attention to the way the letters flow into one another. The OS does that part automatically assuming that a supportive font is installed. Hebrew, on the other hand, has final letters that are used only on the end of words, like capital letters in English at the beginning of sentences. And like English capitals, the user must specify that [s]he wants a final letter with the appropriate key. Being how there are only five of those (in addition to 22 regular Hebrew letters) the alphabet the becomes 27 letters: only one more than English. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 07/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe "Greco-Latin" was the wrong way to write what I meant. A > longer, but hopefully clearer, method would be "alphabets of Greek > and Latin descent". Not to continue this perpetually, but I think that you mean Latin decent. Although, technically speaking, Latin is in fact of Greek decent. However no Greek letters are in ASCII (the original point of the subthread). Even Greek glyphs that look like Latin glyphs are different codepoints. > > In Arabic, most letters combinations flow into one another as does > > cursive script in Russian and English. > > But Western alphabets also have "print" script. Do semitic > languages have "print" script? In the sense that a print script has no connected letters? Then Hebrew does (it's the only way to write Hebrew), but Arabic does not. As each letter in Arabic does have a "by itself' form I suppose that one could write all their letters that way (after all, that is how it is typed), however I do not know if that is considered correct or not. Certainly there are Arabic speakers here who could enlighten us? > > There are still the same amount > > of letters, in fact, when typing Arabic one does not pay attention to > > the way the letters flow into one another. The OS does that part > > automatically assuming that a supportive font is installed. > > Interesting. But it seems to make console apps difficult. Could be. I'd like to hear from Arabic users how console scripts are handled? On my machine Hebrew is reversed in the console. If someone could enlighten me as to how to install new locales (I've googled and cannot figure it out) then I'll try it and report back. > What about the "dots". Is that just a figment of misunderstanding? The dots in Hebrew are optional. They indicate pronunciation, and are not used in everyday reading and writing. In fact, the only time they are seen is in religious texts and texts intended for those learning Hebrew. Sometimes, when writing a foreign word that must be pronounced correctly, they are used, but not often. In Arabic, the dots do change letters, so they are not optional strictly speaking. The dots are always present on signs and in print. However, in writing, I think that they are often eliminated. Although I don't really have much experience with handwritten Arabic, so I'm very possibly wrong in that regard. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 08/02/2008, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > handled? On my machine Hebrew is reversed in the console. If someone > > could enlighten me as to how to install new locales (I've googled and > > cannot figure it out) then I'll try it and report back. > > As root, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" gives me a curses based chooser. > Toggle on the ones you want, and it'll generate them. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales Generating locales... en_AU.UTF-8... done en_BW.UTF-8... done en_CA.UTF-8... done en_DK.UTF-8... done en_GB.UTF-8... done en_HK.UTF-8... done en_IE.UTF-8... done en_IN.UTF-8... done en_NZ.UTF-8... done en_PH.UTF-8... done en_SG.UTF-8... done en_US.UTF-8... done en_ZA.UTF-8... done en_ZW.UTF-8... done he_IL.UTF-8... up-to-date Generation complete. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ No choice. > Thanks for the interesting discussion. I'd not an inkling that > Cyrillic arrived that way, and the mechanics of ME languages were > pretty much dark here before this. :-) There is an excellent (but heated) discussion of Muslim faith and tolerance going on at /. right now. You might find it interesting: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/07/1651256 Grep my username "dotancohen" there. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: USB pendrive mobility (fat32)?
On 09/02/2008, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/8/08, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ick. Doesn't that mean blowing away ptn4 then three then create > > extended and ... (logical ...)? Which I shouldn't really need to do > > > Wouldn't it be just simpler to copy off the files in the stick and > reformat it to just one primary partition, and then restore > everything? > > I'm not sure why you'd want multiple partitions on a USB stick anyway. > He's got a portable Linux distro on one of the partitions. sda3 is marked as bootable. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 09/02/2008, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the console app is using "libfribidi" (as I use it) and the right > console font is installed then you can read farsi (my mother language) > arabic and hebrew in mutt and of cource from Right-To-Left (RTL). Thanks for the tip, Michelle. Tell me, how does one configure Konsole to use it? It can be seen here that libfribidi is installed, yet the Hebrew that looks fine when pasted in Firefox is in fact displayed reversed in Konsole: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install libfribidi0 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libfribidi0 is already the newest version. 0 משודרגים, 0 מותקנים חדשים, 0 יוסרו ו-19 לא ישודרגו. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > And farsi has 4 letters more then arabic (24=>28) I just looked at the Arabic alphabet, and all 28 of the letters look familiar to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet At least in Israel, we use 28 Arabic letters. > > What about the "dots". Is that just a figment of misunderstanding? > > The dots are brain-crackers... > (I trying to learn hebrew... since 10 years!) If you mean that they are unnecessary and only make the learning even harder, then you are correct! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 09/02/2008, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have used "locale-purge"? Then all other locales are removed and > you have to reinstall locales with > > apt-get --reinstall locales > > But before you should assure, that > > dpkg-reconfigure debhelper > > is set at least to "normal" or if you want to control more to "low". That seems a bit dangerous for my daily driver, so I did an experiment. I copied שלום from Firefox into Konsole, and it displayed backwards as I would should it have been program output. Then I copied سلا (that should be salam, but I don't know why I can't paste the Mem at the end) to Konsole as well. Sure enough, the Shin was to the left, but interestingly the L-Aleph was properly connected! Then another Aleph to the right of that. There was no Mem in Konsole, either, I cannot seem to copy that critter. So I think that the knowledge of whether or not Arabic is displayed in connected characters in the console is answered. In broken LTR implementations, the letters are shown as if they are all by themselves. Special combinations, such as LA, have the Lamed replaced with the combined letter glyph, and then the real second letter after (to the right of) it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 10/02/2008, Micaela Gallerini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/2/10, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > That seems a bit dangerous for my daily driver, so I did an > > experiment. I copied שלום from Firefox into Konsole, and it displayed > > backwards as I would should it have been program output. Then I copied > > سلا (that should be salam, but I don't know why I can't paste the Mem > > at the end) to Konsole as well. Sure enough, the Shin was to the left, > > but interestingly the L-Aleph was properly connected! Then another > > Aleph to the right of that. There was no Mem in Konsole, either, I > > cannot seem to copy that critter. > > > > > good evening, > I have two stupid question, I know, but...:P > > if you tried to setting the keyboard with arabic language? > therefore, add the arabic language and change the language of console > when you write? > No. I have no need for Arabic, really, I was just checking how Arabic is displayed on the console for Ron Johnson. I do have need for Hebrew, however, and typing it on the console comes out LTR. I would like to get libfribidi working. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 10/02/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 09:09:55PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > No. I have no need for Arabic, really, I was just checking how Arabic > > is displayed on the console for Ron Johnson. I do have need for > > Hebrew, however, and typing it on the console comes out LTR. I would > > like to get libfribidi working. > > > Try mlterm . > > (The verb "try" is appropriate here, as mlterm is a bit buggy). > Nice, Hebrew is displayed RTL. But I'm not about to give up Konsole, especially for known-buggy software. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 11/02/2008, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am 2008-02-10 19:14:56, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > > > Thanks for the tip, Michelle. Tell me, how does one configure Konsole > > to use it? It can be seen here that libfribidi is installed, yet the > > > Examples: > > Package: acon > Maintainer: Ahmed El-Mahmoudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Version: 1.0.5-4 > Description: Text console arabization > The function of acon is to display arabic text from right to left, > and process it to change the letter shape according to its position > in the word. > > and general UTF-8 > > Package: dynafont > Maintainer: Piotr Roszatycki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Version: 1.0-23.7 > Description: Module for konwert package which loads UTF-8 fonts dynamically > This is a tool which allows displaying texts containing thousands of > different > characters. It switches console to UTF8 mode and loads required fonts > dynamically. It is recommended to use this tool with filterm(1) tool, > i.e. by executing 'filterm - dynafont' command or 'filterm - > 512bold+dynafont' > if you are not using framebuffer. > . > The tool works with UTF8-compatible applications, i.e. lynx(1). > There are problems with 8-bit only applications. Something's not right. Should I bug the Ubuntu list on this one, as this is an Ubuntu system: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ filterm - dynafont Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console konwert: error executing filter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > Do you use mutt in the console? > > set display_filter="fribidi" Actually, I don't use mutt. But I'll keep that handy, as I'm sure that day will come when I need to use that. > > At least in Israel, we use 28 Arabic letters. > > Letters which do not exist in arabic are: pe, cim, ze and gãf Wikipedia doesn't show those letters. Too bad. I always like something new. We have a great book with all the world's scripts at my university library. I'll look Farsi up. > > If you mean that they are unnecessary and only make the learning even > > harder, then you are correct! > > OK, I will stop immediatly to understand the . :-) Yes, the .. are pointless (pun intended). Well, they do have a purpose, but they are not everyday essentials. Arabic speakers feel very comfortable speaking Hebrew, I should imagine that Farsi is similar. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 12/02/2008, Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but for me for example it would be very useful if I could add notes to > papers I download to reference in my work (academics, it's what you are > supposed to do ;-). I don't have access to the originals (with pdf's you > rarely > do actually, people give you the pdf in the first place to make sure that you > see it properly, not to edit it). > > I would have been happy if there was something that could do highlighting, > notes, lines and really ecstatic if it could actually do equations ... > > thought of writing something like that once but never got the time to dig in. Doesn't Acrobat (adobe) let one add notes to a PDF? That feature sounds familiar. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: What am I missing without mutt?
On 12/02/2008, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not really, Arabic and Hebrew both belong to the Semitc family of > languages. Farsi, on the other hand, despite being written with a > similar alphabet to Arabic, belongs to the Indo-European family (which > incidentally is the same one that English belongs to), so the languages > are quite different. Thanks, I did not know that. We have many Farsi in Israel, and I'm surprised that that fact has eluded me until now. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 13/02/2008, Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Acrobat yes (although I found it hard to work with). Acrobat reader AFAIK, no. > > I saw a couple of programs that set the pdf as a background and allow to > write > over it (don't remember the names at the moment), but they were all rather > limited > Gimp? I just opened a PDF with Gimp just fine. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 13/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:22:20PM +, michael wrote: > > > Yes, one of my requirements (portability) meant that I could see the > > (annotated) PDF on different machines/architectures *without additional > > files/software* ie the output is saved as PDF which is readable by all > > PDF viewers... (I would add that it should be searchable (by word) too > > which would seem to exclude graphical editors such as GIMP) > > > Then you are using the wrong file format. This is not what PDF is. PDF > is a portable document format, for distributing basically unmodified and > unmodifialbe files. There are ways around that as have been discussed, > but there is not one cross-platform application to do it since it is > non-standard for the format. > > If you are taking an article from, e.g. a journal, and you want to read > and annotate at the same time, then pick a WYSIWYG editor that can > import images. Write a script that converts the pdf to an image and > plunks that image full-size in the file format for the editor. From > then on, use the editor to annotate the graphical representation of the > document and share this new document. When all anotations are done, > print to a pdf file again. > > With this setup, now you have to find a WYSIWYG file format that is > cross platform that all your co-annotators can use. Don't ask me on > that. For me, cross-platform multi-user editing is done either with > plain text or LaTex and is not done from a GUI. > > Doug. And if you are thinking that Open Office is the perfect tool for the job, then know that some files display differently in OOo on Windows than on Linux. How important is perfect reproduction of the page to you? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: reliable editting of any PDF file
On 14/02/2008, Tadeusz Bak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can annotate PDF files in free *Acrobat Reader* (I am using Debian > package, version 8.1.2) and all annotations are saved in the same PDF > file. However, some flag in the PDF file must be enabled first to allow > such annotations, and this can be done only in non-free *Acrobat* (not > Acrobat Reader). I don't know about any free tools to enable PDF for > annotations. > > Greetings, >Tad Here, I just found this tool on LifeHacker. It might do just what to OP needs: http://lifehacker.com/355860/fill-out-pdf-forms-online-with-pdfescape Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: right click and resize selected images in Konqueror
On 14/02/2008, Sjoerd Hardeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am at present looking at this (though I would > > like a package which I can suggest to the user to install using Synaptic > > and not having to deal with scripts editing): > > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Resize_Images_using_ServiceMenus_(right_click) > > At home I have it working, I think I have the package picwiz installed > there, as it description looks like what I have: > $ aptitude show picwiz > Package: picwiz > ... > Description: Simple picture resizing wizard for KDE/Konqueror Picwiz is > a simple picture resizing wizard that is meant to be called from a > Konqueror context menu (a.k.a. service menu). It allows batch resizing > of any number of files to standard sizes (640x480, 800x600 ...) in three > or four mouse clicks. > The KIM package does that as well: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11505 Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Missing option in GNOME Control Center
On 14/02/2008, Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gnome panel sometimes doing various tricks. It is a good GUI, but not > reliable. > Please explain that comment, and provide details. I'm a KDE user, but I don't know Gnome to be unreliable. What, exactly (with examples) do you mean by "unreliable". If this sounds like an attack, then yes, I am attacking your FUD. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Missing option in GNOME Control Center
On 14/02/2008, Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gnome panel sometimes doing various tricks. It is a good GUI, but not > >> reliable. > > > > Please explain that comment, and provide details. I'm a KDE user, but > > I don't know Gnome to be unreliable. What, exactly (with examples) do > > you mean by "unreliable". > > > > If this sounds like an attack, then yes, I am attacking your FUD. > > Your should not worry so much, I'm not arab. I have nothing against Arabs. Why would you think that? > Yesterday Places, Programs buttons suddenly dissapeared from top panel. That would be annoying. What did you discover while looking for the cause? > Some weeks ago system crashed down when properties for panel were > changed. That does sound like a Gnome bug. > Today were download of 3.4 GB file since morning (decided to > put Solaris Express and see what it is), came back in half hour ago and > found PC crashed (perhaps the reason is not in Gnome). No, that is not likely to be a Gnome issue. > There were posts about that (except todays accident). What I must to > thing after that? Which thing? Gnome? Your PC? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Missing option in GNOME Control Center
On 15/02/2008, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 14/02/2008, Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gnome panel sometimes doing various tricks. It is a good GUI, but not > >> reliable. > >> > > > > Please explain that comment, and provide details. I'm a KDE user, but > > I don't know Gnome to be unreliable. What, exactly (with examples) do > > you mean by "unreliable". > > > 1. Gnome fails to connect with a secure Webdav folder at my univ., while > KDE works great. Hasn't worked for the last few years. Made me switch to > KDE though -- not to mention I started to like KDE! I agree, if you need to remotely manage other machines, then Konqueror cannot be beat. I use it to manage quite a few servers. Nautilus does not even come close. > 2. Gnomebaker does not erase DVD-RW discs. It just gets confused and > gives an error no matter which back end I use, cdrecord or wodim. K3b > however, works great. Apparently, others have reported this too and > there is some noise on Ubuntu lists about this. I've also heard this. > Now, I admit, one could argue these are not examples of unreliability > since Gnome fails consistently :) But (1) above has been going on for > so long and that I now have serious doubts whether Gnome (Nautilus, more > specifically) developers really care about Webdav access functionality > at all. Have you contributed to the related bug, or at least voted for it? > I was looking for chance to rant, thanks for opportunity :) Mailing lists are great for that! You should check out usenet! > But having said, I must also say that for a novice Linux desktop user, I > would probably recommend Gnome. It is much more simpler (fewer > customizations and options) than KDE. Gnome developers have done > magnificent work. Of course, it is always going to need improvement and > fixes here and there. I install KDE on new user's machines, but I configure it myself. Gnome, while simpler, seems to do things in unintuitive ways in my opinion. Many new Linux users do not like the menu at the top of the screen, for instance. At least, that is the impression I've gotten after switching 15-20 people's computers over from XP to Fedora/Ubuntu. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Missing option in GNOME Control Center
On 15/02/2008, Andrius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How to install a new KDE 4 on PC? > Ihear it is much mare faster than old one. The latest KDE is KDE 4.0.0, which, according to KDE developers, is _NOT_READY_ for end users. KDE 4.1, which is slated for October, will be ready for end users. KDE 4.0.x is feature-incomplete. It is not buggy in the sense that it crashes (it doesn't), however it does not have many features that one would expect in a window manager. I'm currently using the latest end_user_ready KDE, which is KDE 3.5.8 and I highly recommend it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor
On 15/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So why would anybody give up a 21" CRT? Sure you need a bigger desk, > but isn't that good for the ego too? Heat, space, electricity... Truth is, I prefer to look at pictures and video on a CRT, but for text, LCDs are much easier on the eyes. > Or, for email and text editing, my VT520 is just fine too. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor
On 14/02/2008, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't googled this, but in looking around for a flatpanel LCD > monitor, what are the positive things to look for and the negative > things to avoid? Since the world is moving to flatpanels... > > Hugo > Viewing angle, and contrast-changing at different vertical angles, are two important considerations. Also, if you use a photo-management app such as digikam, then make sure that you look at a few of _your_ pictures on the monitor before buying. My current LCD, the panel in my Dell Inspiron, has the terrible property of different contrast at different vertical angles. So, for some uses (photos, video) I stand the monitor up to see the detail. For others (email, word processing) I lay the monitor almost flat so that I can tell the difference between colours. It is terrible. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: right click and resize selected images in Konqueror
On 16/02/2008, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The KIM package does that as well: > > http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11505 > > > > BTW, doesn't look like it is in Debian. > I have a tarball if you want it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor
On 17/02/2008, KS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My Sony monitor has "shut down" too. By shut down I mean that it isn't > showing anything, and that I haven't opened it up to see if it can be > repaired another time. So I went checking what is there in the market > these days. I found out that most of the (cheap) LCD monitors are > 6-bit/colour and use some algorithm to show other colours (CRTs are > 8bit). There is a big difference if you see a photo on a CRT and then > see the same one on a cheap LCD. If you want to have a good colours on > your LCD, be ready to pay upwards of 150% than that of a cheap LCD for > an 8-bit LCD. > > I have heard that Dells 2007WFP is 8-bit. > > HTH. > Could you elaborate on the 6-bit / 8-bit bit a bit? When I do finally get an LCD (probably in another six months or so, if I can help it), I want to know about this. One of the main functions of our desktop is Digikam (photos) so quality photo reproduction is important to us. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor
On 17/02/2008, KS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 6-bits/colour means the monitor can give you 2^6+2^6+2^6 colours = > 262,144 where as an 8-bit/colour would mean it can give you 16,777,216 > colours. > > With the 6-bit/colour they use some kind of dithering to reproduce > 16.2million colours. (but if they are using dithering, why can't they > produce 16.7m colours?) > > Here is a good article on this topic > http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/6bit_8bit.htm Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] things to look for in a flatpanel monitor
On 17/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 08:22:03AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 17/02/2008, KS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Could you elaborate on the 6-bit / 8-bit bit a bit? When I do finally > > get an LCD (probably in another six months or so, if I can help it), I > > want to know about this. One of the main functions of our desktop is > > Digikam (photos) so quality photo reproduction is important to us. > > > I've only seen a few professionals viewing images on a screen. None of > them were using a CRT. > > I'm a CCU nurse. Sure, one can call up xrays on the normal desktop > display, but if you want to see anything in detail and especially make > any treatment decisions, you go over to the big CRT and call it up. I've seen those super-high resolution B&W Rentgoen monitors at hospitals. Very impressive indeed, though I don't think that they are very practical for home use. > I bought my 21" Intergraph CRT off-lease for $250. It has a slight > aberration in one corner but I know its there and wouldn't retouch a > photo in that section without panning away from it. Off-lease may be > one options for you to get good image quality without breaking the bank. > > Think of the resolution of a camera. Kodak Kodachrome professional > ISO25 slide film has always been the gold-standard. When you look at > the grain density and do the math, it comes out to around 32 MPixel. > A Nikon digital SLR is around 18 MPixel, with consumer-grade digital > cameras lower still. > > Take an 8x10" glossy print made from that Kodachrom slide. 80 square > inches for 32 MPixel (well, less since the paper isn't as good as the > slide). That's 409.6 Kpixel per square inch. Square-root > that and you get 647 dpi. So, you use a larger monitor. Think of a CRT > at 1600 x 1200. That's 1.8 Mpixel. Double that to 3200 x 2400 and you > get 7.3 MPixel. > > How tightly packed are those pixels? Large-screen flat-panels may give > you large X x Y but at what size screen? How easy is it to edit a > picture at 3200 x 2400 if the screen is 6 feet wide? > > Then you have to look at contrast, number of bits per pixel. My CRT is > the standard X.org max of 24 bits/pixel. > > What is the source of the images you'll be editing? How may MPixels, > how many bits/pixel? If its from physical media, what are the specs on > the digitizer/scanner? What are the specs on the printer you'll use? > > Just some thoughts. > > Doug. We're not doing any photo retouching, only looking at pictures shot with 3-7 MP home cameras. However, as it is our primary way of viewing the photos, we want something decent. I'm thinking about a minimum resolution of 1600x1200 and the best colour possible. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian
On 25/02/2008, Elf & Dmitryi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Portable Apps allow running everything off the flash drive and have the > app/user data saved on the flash drive, too. So basically it's what it > says - e. g. Firefox is portable on a flash drive with all the > bookmarks, history and settings. A properly set-up flash drive with all > the portable apps doesn't require one ever touches the regular Windows > nightmare. As a flash drive is usually formatted to FAT, it doesn't > require any permission checks (under Windows, only NTFS supports user > permissions). > > Portable Opera can also be set up to run cacheless (caching to RAM > only) or write its cache to the system's temporary directory. That > speeds up flash drive operation somewhat (more of an issue with older, > slower flash drives). > > Same about Linux live CDs - both Knoppix and MCN Live could be booted > off a flash drive AND save user's home directory and configuration to > the flash drive (also supported when booting off a live CD - there's a > CD switch for scanning for stored config/homedir). Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to the machine I'm sitting at and then erase it when I leave. I recommend portable Open Office and mplayer as well. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian
On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, if he's got his own machine, then he can install the > > portableapps applications locally, without a flash drive. It's much > > faster that way, in fact, at the university I copy portable firefox to > > the machine I'm sitting at and then erase it when I leave. I recommend > > portable Open Office and mplayer as well. > > That's all well and good so long as the company's IT dept hasn't > installed an audit program that routinely reports what software has run > on the machine. I work in such an environment and found it best to > leave the machine well enough alone even though I'm a part of the IT > dept. > > Remember, the machine belongs to the company, not the employee unless > the employee has been granted permission to install software. OTOH, > it's easier to ask forgiveness than to receive permission. > Additionally, they can see that running these programs are important to the user. Remember, IT is there to HELP the user do what he needs, not prevent him from doing what he needs. If IT wants to support software XX and not YY that's fine, but unless YY is known dangerous (Kazaa, for instance) then IT should not have veto power in it's use, especially if using the program requires no registry changes such as an installed (not portable) app would do. If using a portable app makes no permanent changes to the machine, why should it not be allowed? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian
On 26/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Additionally, they can see that running these programs are important > > to the user. Remember, IT is there to HELP the user do what he needs, > > not prevent him from doing what he needs. > > In a perfect world, perhaps. In real life, not so much. > > > If IT wants to support > > software XX and not YY that's fine, but unless YY is known dangerous > > (Kazaa, for instance) then IT should not have veto power in it's use, > > especially if using the program requires no registry changes such as > > an installed (not portable) app would do. If using a portable app > > makes no permanent changes to the machine, why should it not be > > allowed? > > Sigh. I don't mean to be unkind, but have you actually worked in the > corporate world of IT or been subject to its whims? Have you ever read > the Dilbert comic strip? Nothing in the Dilbert strip is a stretch of > the truth, in fact reality is often more bizarre. > > Coporate IT is driven by sweetheart deals from suppliers to IT > management. It is full of fiefdoms and "not invented here" syndromes. > It is a meca to the power hungry and the control freaks. It has little > to do with helping the workers use the best tool for the job. If that > happens, it's often the result of an accident or an oversight and will > soon be corrected. > > I apologize for being so kind toward corporate IT. Of course I read Dilbert. And I am full aware of the corporate IT environment. But I'm still 30-young and think that I can change the world by trying. I'm so naive that I encourage others to do the same. I know that I'm doomed to the same fate as Winston Smith. My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not display properly in Firefox. I write to software houses (Adobe) requesting they port to Linux, and I write to hardware vendors (ATI) demanding Linux support. Every week. Am I making a difference? Maybe. If one out of one hundred OOo || Firefox || Linux users would stand up and let themselves be known, we'd be in a much better position. I'm setting an example. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian
On 26/02/2008, Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 03:54:06PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > [...] > > > > > My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send > > documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not > > display properly in Firefox. I write to software houses (Adobe) > > requesting they port to Linux, and I write to hardware vendors (ATI) > > demanding Linux support. Every week. Am I making a difference? Maybe. > > If one out of one hundred OOo || Firefox || Linux users would stand up > > and let themselves be known, we'd be in a much better position. I'm > > setting an example. > > > Well done that man! !ןתוד,דובכה לכ I wish I were as dedicated (I do > occasionally write, too). Thanks. יופי של עברית, ריטשארד! Just to flow my own boat, some of my letters are documented here, but I really need to spend some time updating these pages: http://dotancohen.com/eng/linux_compatibility.php http://dotancohen.com/eng/firefox_compatibility.php http://dotancohen.com/eng/support_linux_firefox.php http://dotancohen.com/eng/software_in_linux.html Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian
On 26/02/2008, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > *** Major snip *** > > > I'm setting an example. > > > Let's not break your arm pattin' yourself on the back. > > More people then you think are doing the same thing you claim to be > doing - thus, you are NOT setting an example. > > You're not that important to claim such a remark/comment. > > More appropriately stated would be: I'm doing my part to help the OS > community. > I'm willing to accept your argument. I am doing my part to help the FOSS community. Better? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Goodbye Debian
On 27/02/2008, Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course I read Dilbert. And I am full aware of the corporate IT > > environment. But I'm still 30-young and think that I can change the > > world by trying. I'm so naive that I encourage others to do the same. > > I know that I'm doomed to the same fate as Winston Smith. > > I hope you can retain your youthful optimism before the system grinds > you up and leaves you cynical, embittered and looking for easier > battles to fight. At work I've given up and use whatever schlop they > throw on their machines. After work I come home to my nice Debian > machines that are configured to my preferences. I'm stubborn. But I hope that you are right and I will work to keep making the changes. Lenin had a good quote for this, but I can't remember or find it at the moment. > > My attitude has gotten my university and my local green club to send > > documents in PDF instead of Word, and I write to sites that do not > > display properly in Firefox. I write to software houses (Adobe) > > requesting they port to Linux, and I write to hardware vendors (ATI) > > demanding Linux support. Every week. Am I making a difference? Maybe. > > If one out of one hundred OOo || Firefox || Linux users would stand up > > and let themselves be known, we'd be in a much better position. I'm > > setting an example. > > > Congrats on your success. I suspect you're not in the USA so you'll > likely find people more accepting of and willing to try Free Software. > Here things that are offered for free (gratis) are often considered > shoddy or sub-standard. Many people live by the axiom "you get what > you pay for" and therefore believe that a few hundred dollars for an > office suite is money well spent. Someone claiming to offer an office > suite at no cost is to be considered with caution as they must have > some other agenda. This kind of thinking permeates corporate IT as > well as individuals and is why MS has such a hold on the IT market > here. Another big reason is that people are simply reluctant to step > out of their comfort zone and since they know MS they stick with it, > warts and all. Same problems here. The "you get what you pay for" is more often than not "you get what you can pirate" but that just makes the deal sweeter. What I find amazing is that people are so used to the faults of MS that they have trained themselves to think the faults are computer faults. The don't miss the MS faults when switching to Linux, but jump at any Linux fault. It's only after using Linux for a month and then sitting at a Windows computer do people realize just how bad Windows is. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: PRINTER ON FIRE, HELP!!
On 29/02/2008, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:05 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > PLEASE HELP, when I tried printing debian told me that my printer is on > fire. Upon inspection I found no signs of fire but I fear that if I do not > find the fire soon my printer will die, PLEASE HELP!!! URGENT AS I NEED TO > PRINT A MEMO FOR BILL GATES!!! > > > Between this and his last post about this same topic with the tone of > urgency and subject getting more outrageous each time, I'm starting to > wonder if this guy's failing at trolling for humor... He should throw a chair or two. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
LANG=C not English?
On a Debian-based system (Ubuntu 7.04) running KDE 3.5.8, why would the "C" LANG parameter not be English? Lookie here: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG he_IL.utf8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LANG=C [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG C [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install kde-core [snip] You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: לחבילות הבאות יש תלויות שלא נענו: amazonmp3: Depends: libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a אבל היא אינה הולכת להיות מותקנת Depends: libboost-thread1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה Depends: libboost-iostreams1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה Depends: libboost-signals1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה Depends: libboost-date-time1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה Depends: xdg-utils אבל היא אינה הולכת להיות מותקנת E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ See that Hebrew text? Other applications, such as Thunderbird and Gimp, that are run after LANG=C also do not appear in English. Why is that, and how to correct it? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: LANG=C not English?
On 02/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 02:57:45PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On a Debian-based system (Ubuntu 7.04) running KDE 3.5.8, why would > > the "C" LANG parameter not be English? Lookie here: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG > > he_IL.utf8 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LANG=C > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LANG > > C > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install kde-core > > [snip] > > You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: > > לחבילות הבאות יש תלויות שלא נענו: > > amazonmp3: Depends: libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a אבל היא אינה הולכת להיות מותקנת > > Depends: libboost-thread1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה > > Depends: libboost-iostreams1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה > > Depends: libboost-signals1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה > > Depends: libboost-date-time1.34.1 אבל היא אינה ניתנת להתקנה > > Depends: xdg-utils אבל היא אינה הולכת להיות מותקנת > > E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or > > specify a solution). > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > > > See that Hebrew text? Other applications, such as Thunderbird and > > Gimp, that are run after LANG=C also do not appear in English. Why is > > that, and how to correct it? Thanks in advance. > > > What is the output of: > > LANG=C locale > > Do you set LANGUAGES ? > $ LANG=C locale LANG=C LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="he_IL.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="he_IL.utf8" LC_TIME="he_IL.utf8" LC_COLLATE="he_IL.utf8" LC_MONETARY="he_IL.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="he_IL.utf8" LC_PAPER="he_IL.utf8" LC_NAME="he_IL.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="he_IL.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="he_IL.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="he_IL.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="he_IL.utf8" LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8 I see. How does one set the locate parameters for LANG=C? And when I do set them, to what English is C expected to be? Could you post for me the output of your C locale so that I might set mine to the same values? Thanks, Tzafrir. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: LANG=C not English?
On 02/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:17:10PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 02/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What is the output of: > > > > > > LANG=C locale > > > > > > Do you set LANGUAGES ? > > > Hmm LANGUAGE... > > > > > > $ LANG=C locale > > LANG=C > > LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en > > LC_CTYPE="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_NUMERIC="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_TIME="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_COLLATE="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_MONETARY="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_MESSAGES="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_PAPER="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_NAME="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_ADDRESS="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_TELEPHONE="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_MEASUREMENT="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_IDENTIFICATION="he_IL.utf8" > > LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8 > > > > I see. How does one set the locate parameters for LANG=C? And when I > > do set them, to what English is C expected to be? Could you post for > > me the output of your C locale so that I might set mine to the same > > values? Thanks, Tzafrir. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale > LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 > LC_CTYPE="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_MONETARY="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGES="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_PAPER="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_NAME="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_ADDRESS="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_TELEPHONE="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_MEASUREMENT="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="he_IL.UTF-8" > LC_ALL= > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ LANG=C locale > LANG=C > LC_CTYPE="C" > LC_NUMERIC="C" > LC_TIME="C" > LC_COLLATE="C" > LC_MONETARY="C" > LC_MESSAGES="C" > LC_PAPER="C" > LC_NAME="C" > LC_ADDRESS="C" > LC_TELEPHONE="C" > LC_MEASUREMENT="C" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" > LC_ALL= > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ LC_ALL=C locale > LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 > LC_CTYPE="C" > LC_NUMERIC="C" > LC_TIME="C" > LC_COLLATE="C" > LC_MONETARY="C" > LC_MESSAGES="C" > LC_PAPER="C" > LC_NAME="C" > LC_ADDRESS="C" > LC_TELEPHONE="C" > LC_MEASUREMENT="C" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" > LC_ALL=C Thanks, but how to set them? By the way: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ LC_ALL=C locale LANG=he_IL.utf8 LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_PAPER="C" LC_NAME="C" LC_ADDRESS="C" LC_TELEPHONE="C" LC_MEASUREMENT="C" LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" LC_ALL=C Uff! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: LANG=C not English?
On 02/03/2008, Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, but how to set them? > > > Short answer is not to set any of LC_* as system wide. I don't recall ever setting them. I don't even know how. > Since I like console to use English (UTF-8 so en_US.UTF-8) and X to use > use several locales such as en_US.UTF-8 and ja_JP.UTF-8, I let gdm > change locale. If you want to run any program under fancy locale, you > can do it by: > > $ LANG=somelocale somecommand > > See more on > http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch02.en.html#langvariable > http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch09.en.html#thelocale Very informative links, Osamu, but they explain how to set only the 'standard' locale of a user, not C. How is that set? Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Connecting the mobile phone via USB
On 02/03/2008, Shams Fantar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I didn't find information about my problem. I would like to connect to > my computer my mobile phone > (http://www.samsung.com/ph/products/gsm/gsm/sgh_z170.asp) via USB. The > mobile phone is correctly detected : > > Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04e8:6601 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Z100 > Mobile Phone > > Which software to use for managing my pictures, videos of my mobile > phone ? There aren't a lot of information on Google about ! The KDE file manager, Konqueror, handles my bluetooth connections perfectly. I connect to a Nokia 6288 and transfer files all the time. You will need Kbluetooth installed, I believe. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 02/03/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and > wonder if I need to worry. I don't get enough spam (other than what > comes from this list occasionally) to warrent doing anything about spam. > > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that > can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a > virus scanner would be updated. > > Thoughts? As mutt won't even run macros, I'd say that you are safe so long as you don't save anything you get, chmod it (or complile it!), and then run it with the root password. In other words, not bloody likely. That said, don't read email as root. I heard from a different list member about an exploit once that sent malicious emails to root. He learned the hard way to forward all mail to an unprivledged user on the system. I can't remember any details, just the lesson. Know that you _can_ pass viruses on to other Windows machines. So before you forward a letter or send it to a Windows box, make sure to run it through ClamAV. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Zip file browsing tool
On 02/03/2008, Amit Uttamchandani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, > > I was given a 18GB (yes GB) compressed zip file by a family member, > containing all kinds of photos and videos. > > The problem now is they cannot unzip it (using Mac OS X Leopard). The unzip > tool always exits with an error. > > Now, I haven't received the zip file yet...still downloading it through scp. > So now my question is, can I use the split utility to break these files into > smaller pieces and unzip it? > > And also, is there a tool to browse zip files...like how midnight commander > is able to browse tar.gz files without decompressing them. From there on, I > can just copy the most important files out without having to decompress the > entire thing. > > Any ideas or suggestions? > > Thanks, > Amit If you split the zip file, then you will be unable to read the parts. You can split it, but you need to assemble all the parts to read it. Konqueror (the KDE file manager) can browse zip archives. But it is _slow_. I'd let it unzip overnight. You can spend the night punching whoever created a 18GB zip file. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT] Zip file browsing tool
On 03/03/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 07:03:26PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > If you happen to be using GNOME (God's own DE), then file-roller > > will do just fine. Simply fire up Nautilus and click on the zip > > file. But Dotan is correct: it also take *time*. So while it's > > plowing thru the zip file, relax, get a cup of steaming hot coffee, > > and scald the face of the idiot who created an 18GB zip file... > > > > > Assuming that the person intended to send that much data (pictures) via > the network, and that the person can't create a tarball, what's the > problem with an 18GB zip file? Its dos's version of a tarball. Tarballs are made for archiving onto tape. Therefore tar archives can be split to multiple tapes with no size limit (within reason, which 18GB isn't even in this case). Tarballs be also be read (I believe, I've never tried) from the middle provided they were prepared that way. Zip files, like tar, must live within the constraints of the environment in which they were developed. FAT16 drives were very problematic about 2 or 4 GB, and therefore zip was designed with that size limitation in mind. Sure, you _could_ make a larger one, but you could also bike from Beijing to Beirut in theory as well (yes, some have done it). Theory is not practice and in practice, work within the limitations set by the engineer who created the tool you are using. > iso files aren't compressed. When downloading a new OS CD, I wish they > were gzipped; would save a bunch of telephone time. File a bug. I think it's a great idea. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 03:59:16PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I think I don't need to be worried but I figured I should check. > > > > I only run 'nix (debian, OpenBSD), and I'm on dialup. I note that some > > people run virus scanners on their email (not just as anti-spam) and > > > I dumped ClamAV about the same time I wiped the last windows partition > on my lan. it took some of the load off of spamassassin, but cost too > much in memory and processor to make up for it. > > > > wonder if I need to worry. I don't get enough spam (other than what > > comes from this list occasionally) to warrent doing anything about > > spam. > > > lucky. > > > > > > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > > in an email? > > > when they figure out how to compel me, through some sort of security > flaw in my own brain, to chmod +x and then execute it... then I'll > call it quits. > > ...must...type...chmod...+x > NO NO FIGHT IT! IT'S A TRICK!!! > must...press...enter... can't... resist... It's called social engineering. """want free porn?!? compile this!""" You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope of seeing some free porn. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 03/03/2008, Octavio Alvarez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 15:59 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > > I debian or other 'nix suceptible in any way to anything anybody can put > > in an email? I'm guessing that if someone comes up with something that > > can break e.g. mutt that mutt will be fixed around the same time as a > > virus scanner would be updated. > > > Just thinking out loud: Maybe some image attack via a web beacon? Not > necesarily for mutt, though. Thunderbird, Evolution, and Kmail now ship with the default setting NOT to download images from the web, nor to return receipts. The user must explicitly enable this 'feature'. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:26PM -0800, David Fox wrote: > > On 3/2/08, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The potential hole I see in mutt is not actually a hole in mutt but in > > > various helpers used by mutt users. For example, many of us use w3m or > > > links or some other text browser to dump html messages to plain text > > > > For that to work, various helper apps would have to be run as root or > > with root privileges. Normally i would not suspect a pic or other > > 'data' to try and be executable anyway. > > > The exploit would have to be one that gets root privileges through > escalation... I seem to recall that there had been some compromises in > some image formats that may have escalated privileges, but I don't > really know. There was a very popular, long-unpatched image exploit for Windows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Metafile_vulnerability > sql injections are 'data' trying to be executable, aren't they? I know > that generally folks aren't trying to "open" sql "attachements" > (whatever the hell that might mean) from mutt... No, SQL injection is 'data' trying to run unauthorized queries on the database: http://what-is-what.com/what_is/sql_injection.html > Anyway, that's the whole point of an exploit -- providing some > _thing_, data or code, that causes a privilege escalation. It doesn't > have to be a helper running as root, just a helper that can be > exploited in some manner to get a root escalation. At least that's > what I understand. There are some javascript exploits (XSS attacks) that could potentially run in a javascript-enabled text browser or screen reader. Just because one uses Linux, or console tools, does not mean that one in not vulnerable. But reading email in Mutt, without calling external apps, I cannot think of an exploit vector. Famous last words. Note that mutt is uncommon enough that it may not be feasable for an attacker to even target it today. Security through obscurity, if you will. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 03/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:56:35AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > It's called social engineering. > > """want free porn?!? compile this!""" > > > > You'd be surprised how many Windows users install .exes with the hope > > of seeing some free porn. > > > Compile? > > wget http://pr0n.sh/ | sh > Should I like, not click that? Seriously, though, if you are posting malicious links, please mark them as such. Some poor archive browsers might stumble upon that and find himself in trouble. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: ATI Radeon X1400 + Debian Etch + Compiz Fusion = White Screen
vice "Generic Video Card" > Monitor "Generic Monitor" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" > "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 4 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" > "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 8 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" > "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 15 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" > "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 16 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" > "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > SubSection "Display" > Depth 24 > Modes "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" > "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]" > Device "aticonfig-Device[0]" > Monitor "aticonfig-Monitor[0]" > DefaultDepth 24 > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Mode 0666 > EndSection > > Section "Extensions" > Option "RENDER" "Enable" > Option "DAMAGE" "Enable" > Option "Composite" "Enable" > EndSection > > > And here is the output from the fglrxinfo command: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/X11$ fglrxinfo > display: :0.0 screen: 0 > OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. > OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 > OpenGL version string: 2.1.7281 Release > > Can you help me troubleshoot this, please? > I've got that same card in my Inspiron and it is a nightmare to configure. Look through these threads of mine, maybe something will help: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6284 http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=4843 I'd suggest that you sign up to the compiz-fusion forum as well. Lots of good Compiz-related help there. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 03/03/2008, David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True enough. The one time that happened to me I had installed some > extra apache packages that were vulnerable, so some spammer basically > was able to hijack my box, and send stock and other spams out. I was > able to get it stopped but the cleanup (which included getting my ip > unbanned from various RBLs) was nightmarish. I don't bother doing any > web services here, so I don't install the stuff for that. anymore. You managed to get off those lists? Wow. I've never been on one, but there was a thread on the php list once and it looked like once you are on, you don't get back off. Actually, if it's a pain in the ass but possible, then I'm all for every zombie getting blacklisted. Let all the AOL don't-update-windows click-on-everything idiots be banned from emailing me. Let them then work hard to get off the blacklist so they understand that like driving a car, using a computer entails responsibility. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: unix and email viruses
On 03/03/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think > we're in agreement that lack of root access only an impediment, not a > preventative. I'd so like to take that out of context. I won't be lewd in a public mailing list. Won't be lewd. Must... Control... Self... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: ATI Radeon X1400 + Debian Etch + Compiz Fusion = White Screen
On 04/03/2008, Carlos Parada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I am registered in Compiz forums and I posted a thread with my > problems installing Compiz but I didnt receive too much help. > > I think I've tried everything in an atempt to configure my graphics card for > running Compiz Fusion and I'm really going nuts with this issue, everytime I > try something new (based on tutorials or forum posts from the web) I always > get that freaking white screen... with Beryl too. Looking through my notes, I see that acpi-support was problematic with Compiz also. Here are my two relevant files: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "single head configuration" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice"Synaptics" "CorePointer" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics" Driver "synaptics" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes" Option "SHMConfig" "on" EndSection Section "Monitor" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: Identifier "Monitor0" ModelName"LCD Panel 1680x1050" ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC: HorizSync31.5 - 90.0 VertRefresh 59.9 - 60.1 Option "dpms" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "fglrx" EndSection Section "Module" load "GLcore" load "glx" load "dri" EndSection Section "DRI" Group 0 Mode 0666 EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" # Option "Composite" "Enable" # Option "Composite" "1" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor"Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes"1680x1050" EndSubSection EndSection [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/default/acpi-support # Comment the next line to disable ACPI suspend to RAM ACPI_SLEEP=true # Comment the next line to disable suspend to disk ACPI_HIBERNATE=true # Change the following to "standby" to use ACPI S1 sleep, rather than S3. # This will save less power, but may work on more machines ACPI_SLEEP_MODE=mem # Add modules to this list to have them removed before suspend and reloaded # on resume. An example would be MODULES="em8300 yenta_socket" # # Note that network cards and USB controllers will automatically be unloaded # unless they're listed in MODULES_WHITELIST MODULES="" # Add modules to this list to leave them in the kernel over suspend/resume MODULES_WHITELIST="fglrx" # Should we save and restore state using the VESA BIOS Extensions? SAVE_VBE_STATE=false # The file that we use to save the vbestate VBESTATE=/var/lib/acpi-support/vbestate # Should we attempt to warm-boot the video hardware on resume? POST_VIDEO=false # Save and restore video state? # SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true # Should we switch the screen off with DPMS on suspend? USE_DPMS=true # Use Radeontool to switch the screen off? Seems to be needed on some machines # RADEON_LIGHT=true # Uncomment the next line to switch away from X and back again after resume. # This is needed for some hardware, but should be unnecessary on most. DOUBLE_CONSOLE_SWITCH=true # Set the following to "platform" if you want to use ACPI to shut down # your machine on hibernation HIBERNATE_MODE=shutdown # Comment this out to disable screen locking on resume LOCK_SCREEN=true # Uncomment this line to have DMA disabled before suspend and reenabled # afterwards # DISABLE_DMA=true # Uncomment this line to attempt to reset the drive on resume. This seems # to be needed for some Sonys # RESET_DRIVE=true # Add services to this list to stop them before suspend and restart them in # the resume process. STOP_SERVICES="mysql " # Restart Infra Red services on resume - off by default as it crashes some # machines RESTART_IRDA=false # Switch to laptop-mode on battery power - off by default as it causes odd # hangs on some machines [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: ATI Radeon X1400 + Debian Etch + Compiz Fusion = White Screen
On 04/03/2008, Carlos Parada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dotan, are you able to run Compiz with -- Option "Composite" "Disable" -- in > your Extensions Section? Carlos, I don't dare try. I found Compiz to be so fragile that once it's working, I am not playing with it. I will not update my ATI drivers either, and I'm on relatively old drivers. > I get the following error when I launch Compiz Fusion from the terminal: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true compiz-manager --replace ccp & > [1] 7492 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Checking for Xgl: not present. > xset q doesn't reveal the location of the log file. Using fallback > /var/log/Xorg.0.log > Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:00.0 0300: 1002:7145 (prog-if 00 [VGA]) > Checking for texture_from_pixmap: present. > Checking for non power of two support: present. > Checking for Composite extension: not present. > aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity > Sorry. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: LANG=C not English?
On 05/03/2008, Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 06:54:50PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > On 02/03/2008, Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thanks, but how to set them? > > > > > > > > > Short answer is not to set any of LC_* as system wide. > > > > I don't recall ever setting them. I don't even know how. > > > OK, I may have misinterpretted you. > > > > > Since I like console to use English (UTF-8 so en_US.UTF-8) and X to use > > > use several locales such as en_US.UTF-8 and ja_JP.UTF-8, I let gdm > > > change locale. If you want to run any program under fancy locale, you > > > can do it by: > > > > > > $ LANG=somelocale somecommand > > > > > > See more on > > > > http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch02.en.html#langvariable > > > http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch09.en.html#thelocale > > > > Very informative links, Osamu, but they explain how to set only the > > 'standard' locale of a user, not C. How is that set? Thanks! > > > Because C only suport 7 bit simple ASCII. It is good choice for > embedded system for its simplicity. > > C can not accomodate even umlauts and accents which you may even see in > English locale for name. If you want to insert some quotation in > hebrew, C can not handle it. C in it's unaltered state may support only ASCII, but my C locale (somehow changed to utf-8) handles Hebrew just fine. I wish it wouldn't, that's the reason why I posted here. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: [OT]: how to troubleshoot an optical drive in Linux
On 06/03/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 05:48:05PM -0500, H.S. wrote: > > In a Dell laptop, Inspiron 5160, the optical drive appeared to have died > > a few days ago. The disk stopped spinning, Fn+Eject stopped working and > > the button on the drive also stopped working. Attempting to eject lights > > the LED on the drive, but the tray is never ejected. I had thought the > > drive was dead (maybe the motor had died). > > > > However, it started to work a few days ago out of the blue! Today > > though, it has again stopped working. > > > > I wonder what is going. It is dual boot laptop. It started to work when > > the user was fiddling with Nero in Windows (it had stopped working after > > the user first started using Nero). > > > > Are there any tools in Linux which I can use to see what is going on? > > The laptop is long out of warranty so calling Dell is not an option. > > > To eliminate a software problem with the drive, the eject button should > work during POST and during BIOS screens. > > To eliminate a mechanical problem, with the power off, does the > emergency eject hole (activated with a paper-clip) unlatch the drive so > you can slide it open manually? It should close on power-on. With it > open, check for foreign material. > > An intermittant problem can often be an electrical connector. I've > never even seen a Dell laptop so I don't know how to get at the > connections. I don't suppose the whole drive is ejectable (like on my > old ThinkPad)? The instructions for removing the optical drive from the Inspiron 5160 are here: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins5160/en/SM/upgrades.htm#wp1106797 Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Idea of a Debian Mascot [Was: FW: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections]
On 04/03/2008, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > watts, with 32MB ram, at a frequency in the FM band? Your CPU runs at a frequency in the FM band? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! I am going to recycle that joke to death! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: LANG=C not English?
On 04/03/2008, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi again, > > Am 2008-03-02 18:54:50, schrieb Dotan Cohen: > > > Very informative links, Osamu, but they explain how to set only the > > 'standard' locale of a user, not C. How is that set? Thanks! > > > It is the same way set as the 'standard' locale, but there are some > programs whose do not like "C", and of course, Debian is now using > UNICODE as default, you should use "en_US.UTF-8" which will work very > nice. > > Note: C = us-ascii = en_US > ...and "en_US.UTF-8" has only some extensions. :-) > Thanks. I can set the parameters, but when I close Konsole and reopen it, the values are reset: LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_TIME="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_NAME="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="he_IL.UTF-8" LC_ALL= [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LANG=C [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=C LANGUAGE=he_IL:he:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_PAPER="C" LC_NAME="C" LC_ADDRESS="C" LC_TELEPHONE="C" LC_MEASUREMENT="C" LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" LC_ALL= [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale LANG=C LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_PAPER="C" LC_NAME="C" LC_ADDRESS="C" LC_TELEPHONE="C" LC_MEASUREMENT="C" LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" LC_ALL= [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ I need to permanently set the C LANGUAGE parameter as "C", so that even when I close Konsole and reopen, it stays "C". Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: LANG=C not English?
On 08/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > C != en_US > > $ ( echo a ; echo B ) | sort > a > B > > $ ( echo a ; echo B ) | LANG=C sort > B > a > > $ ( echo a ; echo B ) | LC_COLLATE=C sort > B > a > > > The built-in C locale has no sorting order. All others provide ordering > of characters. And specifically, place each English small cap right > after the capital one. > > And not to mention that en_US does not use ascii. It used ISO-8859-1 and > now should use UTF-8 like the rest of the civilized world. > That is interesting. Thanks! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Grub questions
I have a debian system that I need to reconfigure grub for. Some questions: 1) How can one browse a partition in grub (ls, pwd)? 2) How can one mount a partition to read text files from it, from within grub? 3) Can I write to menu1st from within grub? How? Thanks in advance. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Grub questions
On 09/03/2008, T o n g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:19:35 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > > I have a debian system that I need to reconfigure grub for. Some questions: > > > > 1) How can one browse a partition in grub (ls, pwd)? > > > Not directly browsing, but grub gives you feedback what the partitions > are. See: > > http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/disk/boot/boot06-Grub/ar01s09.html#Hardcore_GRUB_No_Menu > > > > 2) How can one mount a partition to read text files from it, from within > > grub? > > > Same trick, pressing the TAB key all the way from partition to the text > file you want. Just use the command 'cat'. > > > 3) Can I write to menu1st from within grub? How? > > > AFAIK, no, BTW, It's named menu.lst (as in "el"-s-t, not 'one'-s-t). Ref: > > http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/disk/boot/boot06-Grub/ar01s09.html#Do_Really_Need_GRUB_Menu_ > Thank you for the tutorial link. I think that I can take it from there. Why didn't google get me there?... Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Recovering deleted files from FAT32
I have a SD card in my Nokia 6288, formatted as FAT32. Every month or so, the phone locks up and when I power down and back up, the card appears empty. I then bring the card over to a friend's windows computer to run some file recovery program to recover the files. Is there such a program for Debian that works with FAT32? The files are obviously there, as in this case (now) I had 700 MB of the 2GB card used, but now it looks like an empty 1300 MB card. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Recovering deleted files from FAT32
On 10/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a SD card in my Nokia 6288, formatted as FAT32. Every month or > > ... > > there such a program for Debian that works with FAT32? The files are > > obviously there, as in this case (now) I had 700 MB of the 2GB card > > used, but now it looks like an empty 1300 MB card. > > sudo apt-cache show recoverjpeg > > dulev The files are not jpegs. Mostly .amr (Nokia sound) files, but some other types as well. Windows has quite a few apps that can show and copy deleted files, does Debian not have such a program? Can one browse deleted files from the CLI? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Recovering deleted files from FAT32
On 10/03/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 04:51:10PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I have a SD card in my Nokia 6288, formatted as FAT32. Every month or > > so, the phone locks up and when I power down and back up, the card > > appears empty. I then bring the card over to a friend's windows > > computer to run some file recovery program to recover the files. Is > > there such a program for Debian that works with FAT32? The files are > > obviously there, as in this case (now) I had 700 MB of the 2GB card > > used, but now it looks like an empty 1300 MB card. > > > aptitude search ~Gadmin::recovery > > Some of them seem useful: > > foremost, scalpel, magicrescue > > Never tried any. > Thanks, Tzafrir. I'm not having much luck with these, as they only find files of types familiar to them. The files that I'm seeking are .amr files (nokia sound files), and there do not seem to be any 'recipies' for them. I wonder how the Windows tools work, as they allow one to browse the filesystem as a regular gui file manager, but they show deleted files as well. They are so efficient that it sometimes is a pain to browse directories with so many files! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Recovering deleted files from FAT32
On 10/03/2008, Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > did you try with fsck.vfat? I have from time to time this problem with > my USB hdd. When I take the hard drive from my home windows machine to > my debian laptop somethimes a few GB are missing. I always find them > with fsck.vfat > Thanks, Ivan. As I suspect that the partition table is where the problem is, this might work. I am googling usage examples now. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Recovering deleted files from FAT32
On 10/03/2008, KS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would try out dd_rescue first. Read the device (SD card) with > dd_rescue and make an image of it. Then try mounting it and see if the > files are viewable. If not, then you can try out foremost , scalpel or > other similar data recovery tools. > > aptitude show ddrescue > Thank you KS. I will read more about ddrescue Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Recovering deleted files from FAT32
On 11/03/2008, steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > I have a SD card in my Nokia 6288, formatted as FAT32. Every month or > > so, the phone locks up and when I power down and back up, the card > > appears empty. I then bring the card over to a friend's windows > > computer to run some file recovery program to recover the files. Is > > there such a program for Debian that works with FAT32? The files are > > obviously there, as in this case (now) I had 700 MB of the 2GB card > > used, but now it looks like an empty 1300 MB card. > > > > Dotan Cohen > > > > http://what-is-what.com > > http://gibberish.co.il > > > ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-? > > > > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > > > could < ddrescue > of some help? > Thank you, steef, I will look into that tool. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: graphical file browser from command line
On 10/03/2008, Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to see the right part of the text in less -S you should use the right
> arrow. If you really insist on scrollbar, then any graphic text editing
> program would do.For example kate in KDE can be configured not to fold
> the lines.
I'm pretty sure that you mean that Kate can be configured not to
_wrap_ the lines. Kate can be configures [not] to fold as well, but
that is different than wrapping. Folding is closing code blocks to
make the code more readable.
Example:
Unfolded code:
if (this) {
that;
the other;
}
print output;
Folded code:
if (this) {
-
print output;
When the if's run on for 50+ lines, it helps.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
