Rescue CDs.
Hello, I've seen a few references to this subject line, but I haven't seen one to this particular utility, so I thought I would drop off the URL. The screenshots look good. Has anybody tried it? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rescue CDs.
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:32:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I've seen a few references to this subject line, but I haven't seen > one > > to this particular utility, so I thought I would drop off the URL. > > The screenshots look good. > > Has anybody tried it? > > Tried what? > > Sorry:- http://www.sysresccd.org Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting viruses/spam after posting to this list
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:22:34 -0700 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:56:13AM +0100, Eliot Stock wrote: > > After my first post to this list last night, I woke up this morning > > to find 40 helpful "MS security updates" in my inbox. > > > > How are other people dealing with this? Does the list consider this > > a problem, or is it just up to me to fight this at my server? If so > > a pointer to any URLs that lay out all the options for server-side > > spam and virus blocking would be helpful, maybe it's time I > > installed something. Is obfuscating addresses on the list pointless > > because harvesters aren't fooled? What's the score? > > What I don't understand is, once I accidentally posted with my "real > email". Immediately, spam. > > I used to post with tb.nospam@, and didn't get any spam for a > couple months. Then, one. So I switched, and so far, zero. > > I wonder why they leave this one alone. (Shrug.) > > > -- >I don't have any problem except on the email account name that I used >to run when I had 98SE operating (as well as it could). I've wondered if it is the same for everyone, and that whoever is behind swen has access to MSs' mailing list? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:54:07 +0100 "brian.huckstep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a copy of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 on CD-Rom 7 discs in fact. > Unfortunately my computer bios only provides boot facility from either > my "A" or "C" Drives is there any possibility for me to boot up the > Debian/Linux Program through MS-DOS operating system. On inspecting > the file content of the 1st Debian Installation disc I couldn't find > any "Setup.exe" files that would of perhaps made it possible for me to > have installed Debian/Linux using my Windows 98se Start-up Disc. If > you can offer any help with my predicament, then I shall naturally be > pleased to hear from you. > > Thanking you > > Brian Huckstep Hello Brian, We shall have to start at the beginning. Do you have an extra hard drive in your box? Because something tells me that that would be the ideal. When you boot your machine up, as the memory is being counted, 'press d (delete)' a couple of times. This will pass you through to an interface that represents your BIOS. Without knowing what type of BIOS you have, I can't give you specifics about where to go next, unless you have an award BIOS, in which case, use the arrow keys to take you down to the second option on the list, and press enter. No matter which BIOS you have, if you see items like 'HDD0', floppy, CDRom, etc., you are in the right place. Keep looking until you find those. Using the arrow keys again, travel down to 'first boot device', press enter, employ the arrow keys to select CDRom, hit enter again, and you will have the option stated there to press F10, or similar, to record your selection and exit CMOS. This will allow you to 'boot' from your CDRom instead of your hard drive, and consequently you will have access to that first of seven discs, and I think it would be best if you installed onto the aforementioned spare drive. Before you even do that, I would go into the mailing list archive of debian-user, and search for a couple of references I saw in a post within the last couple of weeks regarding installation, as installing Debian is a vastly different scenario to Windows. Regards and good luck, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:57:12 -0400 Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > klaus imgrund wrote: > Anyplace where there is a large group of young males who express a > > > desire to kill Americans AND is unchecked by their government is a > > > legitimate target. It's the "unchecked by their government" which > >is >>>the key. Yes, we are inconsistent about who we went after > >first -- that >>>is political reality. > > >>> > >>> > >>>You going to GPL those guys? > >>> > >> > >>NAZIS !!! > >> > >> > > > > Who? The FSF? > > No. I made an unsuccesful attempt at invoking Godwin's Law: > > * > http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html > > Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows > longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler > approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this > occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has > automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law > thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread > length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized > codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to > invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. > * > > I thought since we hit the point of dicsussing terrorism, Nazis > weren't a stretch, and the discussion had lost any vestiges of > usefuleness(relating to the GPL). Of course, since my mention was > with the specific intent of activating Godwin's Law, it didn't work. > > -Roberto > One of the most central policies of the German Nazi party was the banishment of national boundaries, a centralised world government, and international free trade. I don't see any difference to what is happening now. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:28:52 -0700 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them. > > And just so there's no confusion: > We want to kill members of the group Bin Ladan is inciting only to the > > extent that they want to kill us. Other than that we just don't give > a fuck about them either way. > What started the inciting were bombs dropped on Bin Laden and his Taliban. Up until then, America had been supplying the Taliban with arms, and the C.I.A. had been involved with field assistance. When a gas and oil field was discovered under Kazakstan, Turkmenistan and Northern Afghanistan larger than the Caspian Sea, that all changed. Iraq has 25% of the worlds' oil reserves, and also the refineries so close.Perfect solution to the Texas oil lobby who were running desperately dry. Now, I wonder who they would be backing? And I wonder who they would put into power? The Gulf of Arabia barricade didn't allow wheelbarrows into Iraq, because they could be employed to assist in the manufacture of nuclear weapons, even though the basic engredients throughout the world required for the manufacture of Nuclear weaponry had been accounted for, and it was well known that Iraq didn't have any. Vaccines were not permitted to pass for fear that they would be employed in the manufacture of biological weapons, even though your average high school science student knows that the organisms in vaccines are dead. I could carry on hitting you with 'facts' like this for ever. I have friends that come from there, and others that were there and saw it for themselves, and have described how a wealthy country whos' citizens (98%) enjoyed fresh running water, and a good education degenerated into a situation where over a million children under the age of five died between the two Gulf wars, because those vaccines were not permitted to reach the hospitals that were literally begging for them. But this is the way a siege works, isn't it? Arabic culture is tribal. If Saddam had been deposed by his own people, he would have simply been replaced by someone just as bad, and quite possibly worse. The tribe that is in power benefits at the expense of the others. This is the way their culture works, and this is the way it will be when America and its' allies leave. At least this is the situation as my Arabic Moslem friends and acquaintances tell me it is. But then we can't expect the U.S. Government to have sources as good as mine, can we? Believe it or not, this is a completely unbiased outlook. Just ask my many friends that were born and brought up in the U.S. and observe with the objectivity and distance that time tends to lend, and don't like what they see. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:00:38 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:07:12 -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars > > like Germany or killer stereos like Japan. > > Well, Muslims are turning out cars, and not just the killer cars > some rogue religious fundamentalists use to make their point. > You're just looking at the wrong place. I suspect your keyboard > or mouse is manufactured in a Muslim majority state somewhere > north of Australia. > > You can als note that the Arab peninsula was once the > technological center of the world. The Renaissance was in part > possible because Arab scientists and scholars were able to > preserve the science, lore and superstitions of the ancient > Greeks and Romans. > The Arabic scholars came some time before the Romans and Greeks. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:44:08 +0200 Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote: > > On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote: > > > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to > > > give the source code, either along with the program or when people > > > ask you for it. > > > > And you have to put your own code also under a GPL compatible > > license. > > I don't think that is necessary but I may be wrong. > > This is how I understand it: if you use GPL libraries you will have to > mention that in your documentation and make available the source code > of those libraries. You can license your own program differently even > if you use GPL code and then you don't have to reveal your code except > for the open source parts of the libraries. > > Regards > Johann > -- I live for the day when MS code comes to life, and we finally get to see how much of that is stolen. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Epiphany.
Hello, What risk do I run with apt-get remove epiphany (the game), without disturbing epiphany the browser (with bookmarks). Regards and thanks, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epiphany.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:00:59 -0600 "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:22:34PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > > > > What risk do I run with apt-get remove epiphany (the game), without > > disturbing epiphany the browser (with bookmarks). > > Since the browser package is called "epiphany-browser" I would say > little-to-none. > > -- > Jamin W. Collins > O.K., Thanks. Is there a better way to find answers to questions like that, other than hunting through screeds of dselect? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epiphany.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:23:30 -0400 David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What risk do I run with apt-get remove epiphany (the game), without > > disturbing epiphany the browser (with bookmarks). > > What I'd suggest you do: > > (0) Install aptitude, if you haven't yet. > > (1) Start aptitude. > > (2) Press '/', type "ephiphany" in the box that comes up. This will > search for packages with "epiphany" in their name; pressing '\' > will find the next one. > > (3) Check that you've found the right package. With the default > setup, the package description will be displayed in the bottom > half of the screen; you can also press enter to see the full > description and dependencies. > > (4) Press '-' to remove (or '_' to purge) the package. > > (5) Press 'g'; aptitude will display what it's going to do. (Press > 'q' if it's wrong.) > > (6) Press 'g' to make it go. > > -- Thank you, David. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 03:45:51 +0100 Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private > > mail? I think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. > > It's a bit far out for -curiosa as well, though... I think it would be > good if there was a debian-offtopic for threads such as this to be > moved to. > > -- > Pigeon > > Yes, that was one alternative that occurred to me. But then I noticed after I had posted that emotions tend to run high with that sort of subject matter, and that strategy could well end up imposing a negative and unproductive influence on Debian-user. I think Colins' suggestion was probably the best. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Epiphany.
Thanks to all that responded. Appreciated. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please read this
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:21:07 -0400 (EDT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, trevor brooks wrote: > > > > > > > Hi my name is Trevor Brooks. I go to Gardner middle school in Lansing Michigan. > > We have to do a project with donating a dollar to an organization. we have to know > > where the dollar goes and how it helps. We have to pretend that we are the dollar > > and tell where we are going. I was hoping you could give me some info. It would be > > very much appreciated. THANK YOU! > > > > > >Trevor Brooks > > Hi Trevor, > Debian is a project to produce the Debian Gnu/Linux operating > system and other the Free software it uses. The 'Gnu' in Gnu/Linux are the > tools created by the Gnu Project started by Richard Stallman. The 'Linux' in > Gnu/Linux refers to the operating system 'kernel' created by Linux > Torvalds. All (if not most) of these projects are Free Software. They are > project to promote Freedom: Freedom to use the software, Freedom to change > the software, Freedom to Study the software, Freedom to redistribute the > software, and other Freedoms. > > Contributing to the Debian Project does many > things. Debian is part of a larger community of people who volunteer their > time, creativity, knowlege and money to empower people around the world > who speak differently languages, are blind or are poor to be > able to make computer do what they want. Most of there efforts result in > software like web browsers or word processors. The difference is that > these project use the GPL. The GPL is a legal license that says that if > you want to make the software better, you can. But you must tell others > how you made it better, so that others can benefit from your work. You > selflessly contribute to making computer software better. This makes you > part of a community, a community of people who want to make things better > for others. Most of Free Software project are international and thus give > you a change to interact with people all over the world, it broadends you > views. > > This list is an example of one of the ways the 'debian users' > community interacts. There are 'debian user' lists in some 10 languages. > In our list, there are people from all the different continents. These > lists represent ways that other people (users) ask for help from others. > We on the list freely help other people to solve their computer problems. > We also talk about other things like world politics, what you have for > lunch or trains used in the UK. > > Debian is basically a project to freely help make things better around the > world mostly through computers but also by creating a community of people. > -kev > > Finally, a creative mentality. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: ])
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:49:14 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 19:58, Cam Ellison wrote: > > * Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > > > - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, > > > > German, > > > > does have gender? > > > > > >looks like a lot of unneccessary stuff was removed from english > > > > > > language (last century or two?), as far as I can tell it's because > > > it's used as a non-native language for pragmatic purposes (i.e. as > > > long as the message gets accross it's all good:-) > > > > > Strictly speaking, English did not descend from German, but they > > have a common ancestry in a version that was spoken during the time > > the Romans were in power. Angles, Jutes, and Saxons invaded England > > over a period of time and pushed the Celtic peoples into Wales and > > Scotland, and Anglo-Saxon (which was a synthetic language like > > Latin) became dominant. Then William the Conqueror arrived in 1066 > > (and all that) and the language of the upper class was then Norman > > French. > > Hmmm. > http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/documents/PIE.html > http://www.m-w.com/about/look.htm > "The earliest period begins with the migration of certain Germanic > tribes from the continent to Britain in the fifth century A. D" > > These were the original Celtic tribes. First in were the Gaels (Irish) through Skandinavia, then the Icenii Brythonics (which is where 'Briton' and then 'Britain' came from) and some lesser tribes, such as the Manx. But none of these spoke German, either high, middle or low. Germany as a territory was defined later. The term 'Germanic' is a term applied later to describe the general area of issue, but it is only approximate, Czechoslovakian would be just as appropriate. A tribal people that could be more accurately described as 'germanic' would be the saxons, and there is still a province of Germany called Saxony. All the provinces of the european countries were once individual kingdoms and/or baronys/dukedoms. The highland Scots came over from Ireland, and still speak a form of Gaelic, the highlands being in the Southwest corner of Scotland. The Scottish lowlanders were a mix of Brythonic and Pictish, and this is why the highlanders and the lowlanders never got on, because they were separate tribes for one reason. Although very little is left to point to the nature of the Picts, it is strongly suspected that they were also Celts. The word 'Pict' comes from the Roman latin meaning 'pictured' which is where we get the word from, as they tatooed their faces. Most of our modern knowledge of the Celts comes from the Roman campaigners' reports, in particular Julius Caesar who fought a protracted campaign against the Celts in Britain, as the Celts had an oral history not written. It is also a pet theory of mine that the Basques have a Celtic heritage. I tried to keep it short. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using BitchX safely
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:32 -0700 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used to use mIRC a lot, but I knew Windows expertly enough that > things like DCC didn't scare me. I'm scared I'll open a security hole > on my system if I use BitchX and install identd. > > (1) Is BitchX secure by default? > (2) Is Linux identd secure by default? Does it work behind firewall? > (3) Is DCC and crap like that secure by default? > > I know *live* in IRC, I'm scared to death of using it on "your own > turf". Should I be? > > Bitchx is supposed to be better than most of them, but try a google on ultramagnetic. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PrepCom3 report SI UN - WSIS - Working Group -
This is interesting. It represents everything I have been saying in a number of forums concerning corporate enclosure of the public domain. http://www.wsis-si.org/si-prepcom3-report.html Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbies confusion about GPL(BS)
I understand exactly what you are saying, Arnt. I have always believed in giving social law the first opportunity, without this we have chaos. Unfortunately, in a war situation, we are no longer in an environment where the normal standards apply. Oh yes the geneva convention standards apply, and soldiers at the front, if they get an occasional breather, might discuss them every now and again, but first there is survival. Survival in a primal environment is enhanced by adherence to the standard of the group. There is the approved order from high command, who are also well aware without wanting to know about it, of the tacit approval given at lower levels for the kind of activities that are seen as required, to gain the objectives that those situated in higher command want. So soldiers at the base level and just above carry out commands issued by those in immediate juxtaposition to their own situation. And in so doing line up in a queue reserved for all the potential scapegoats, but a questionable future is better than none. I knew a man once who, at the end of WWII, demobbed, took of his uniform, but remained a segeant in the army all his life, because he had learnt a pattern of behaviour that, as far as he could be assured, and with some verification with practice over a period of some six years, meant an opportunity for survival. I'm not trying to justify what happens in war. I know exactly what happens, if I haven't seen it myself, my friends have. I have a friend of some years standing who has told me about things that happened in Somalia that make the earlier quoted example common place. He lived through it. He's the eldest son of the ex prime minister of Somalia. Harry, retired now, a shipwright on an oiltanker into the gulf described how Australian commercial shipping refused to accept an escort from American ships because they were simply too provocative (do you think that they would behave like that if they hadn't been given orders to that effect?). So they would only accept an escort from a British destroyer. There are many, many other examples. They could all be reported. If the sociological pressure applied to leave the situation alone was endured to the point where an investigation was made, the national image would have to be preserved, and the next production unit would be rolled off the queue of scapegoats. 'When the law of society fails to protect the innocent, the law of the jungle prevails' (Kipling). 'This is not a free elective, it is an automatic process' (Me). Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: ])
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:00:53 +0100 Oliver Elphick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 12:12, David Palmer. wrote: > ... > > Most of our modern knowledge of the Celts > > comes from the Roman campaigners' reports, in particular Julius Caesar > > who fought a protracted campaign against the Celts in Britain, as the > > Celts had an oral history not written. > > There are Welsh records going back a very long way before Caesar, and > giving the native view of his campaign. See > http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/ch4.html Yes, my maternal grandfather could recite in the old way, the history of my mothers' clan. It was from him that I learnt, and have since had verified that the name of Pollitt comes from before the middle ages, and not since, and not at all based on the English Polled or Pollard as some authorities would have it. Unfortunately, he died when I was seven, so he didn't have time to teach me enough. But what an example of a man to provide guidance. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nics.
There was a thread on this subject approximately a week ago. The recommendation was for the 3COM 3C905B. I should like to advise that this model has now been deleted. Its' replacement is part number 3C905CX-TX-M. It is Linux compatible, with downloadable drivers on site. Test Lab specifies 97-98mbps under continuous load. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:41:12 +0100
David Jardine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 04:50:35AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 04:37, Andre Kalus wrote:
> > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:33:30 +0100, Pigeon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:28:26PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 02:39:43AM +0100, Pigeon wrote:
> > > >> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:14:38AM +0200, David Jardine
> > > >wrote:> > > It is beyond my capability (but only slightly, I
> > > >feel, and it should> > > be very easy for lots of people here) to
> > > >produce a sort of> > > interactive fetchmail that reads the
> > > >headers of each message on the> > > server, presents them to you
> > > >and asks if you want to fetch the> > > message or delete it.
> > > >This is what I would like to have.> >
> > > >> > ...like pop3browser?
> > > >>
> > > >> That looks useful - when I can get it working :( - and decently
> > > >small.
> > > >
> > > > ...it's dead easy; what problem are you having?
> > >
> > > It is very simple - you do not need any config. I just installed
> > > mutt(from unstable). Then I call:
> > >
> > > mutt -f pop://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > where xxx is my customer number from GMX (you can use both
> > > e-Mail address and customer number as login but I guess E-mail
> > > won't work because it has an @ inside). pop.gmx.net is your
> > > providers pop server.
> > >
> > > Then you are asked for your password and see the contents of your
> > > mailbox. Use arrow keys to move up and down, press D to delete a
> > > message. Q exits mutt, it asks you to delete the marked ("D")
> > > messages. Just press enter and you are done.
> > >
> > > I do have a dial-up connection too, so this is my way to get rid
> > > of SWEN...
> >
> > For a high-volume account, this seems *so* tedious. fetchmail,
> > exim|postfix, SpamAssassin, and any one of the automated swen
> > zappers is much more efficient.
>
> I'm sure you're right, Ron, but I don't have any high-volume
> accounts and I'm grateful to Andre and pigeon for pointing out
> to me what I'd missed.
>
> One problem I had with it is that it gave the message lengths as
> zero, which didn't aid swen-spotting.
>
> Thanks to all you people I've now got enough solutions to leave
> me in a state of complete confusion. However, I still don't
> understand (and I understand very little of these network
> matters) why an interactive fetchmail thing doesn't seem to
> exist. Is it because it would clog access to the mailserver if
> fetchmail users held connections open while they pondered? Do
> the servers close the connection after the briefest of periods
> of inactivity? Or what?
> >
> --
> David Jardine
>
The way I see it is that with all the separate componentry available
with Debian, you can configure for any eventuality according to the
individual need, whether that be for high volumn or otherwise. Standard
configs do not answer to that. That's why I'm here, it's a steep
learning curve at times, but that has its' profit factors also.
If it's any consolation, you're further along the road than I am.
I'm still figuring out the intricacies of sylpheed and evolution, but
I'm looking forward to the rest.
Regards,
David.
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Re: A newbies confusion about GPL (BS)
Pigeon scratched with his claw: "I think we've crossed wires a bit here; I was talking about the modern State of Israel having been established after WW2 by the military strength of the victors, mainly the USA, and maintained similarly. The Isaiah passages basically say "don't rely on military alliances for protection, as your allies and you will both go down the tubes"." Besides the obvious theological/geographical associations, or perhaps even because of them, I have often thought that the placement of a declared state of Zionists in the middle of a Moslem environment was a convenient way of keeping a region under turmoil, and thus more easily manipulated. A little book called "O Jerusalem" by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre, gives an almost completely unbiased viewpoint of this situation, Jewish and Palestinian Arab acquaintances advise. I find it interesting that arabs and jews coexisted in the area quite peacefully, until the postwar Zionist influx. Quote/"> ..I respectfully disagree; consider the thrustworthyness of Microsoft > Linux code now, and then _after_ a death sentence on Gates and Ballmer > et al, say for having obstructed War on Terrorism by funding SCO to > divert Linux manpower away from 64 bit development and into > litigation, or for messing with a certain ballot machine operating > system to elect a Certain Sissy, President. Well, I don't agree with death penalties fullstop; I think sentences of 40 years remembering not to bend over in the showers would be just as good in the above example!"/Unquote Even better, but they've got to lie down sometime. Quote/ I remember when I was about 4 or 5, having found out what an atom bomb was and what overpopulation meant, saying to my mum what a good idea it would be to solve the overpopulation problem by nuking populous countries... she wasn't very impressed! :-)/Unquote Militant Pigeon. Bacterial colonies on an orange limit their size by killing themselves off with their own effluent. I have no idea where we get the arrogant assumption that we are a highly evolved species! Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Internet time (Biel Mean Time)
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:21:22 -0700 Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 06:39:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What's the point of it? > > > > According to http://www.luvit.se/stefanp/lec_35_manual/swatch.html , > > "As a result Internet Time is the same all over the world." > > > > Well, gee, since Internet Time is equivalent to BMT, what's the > > big deal about "same all over the world" and "the era of time zones > > has disappeared"? The same would be true about GMT, American EST, > > or any other time zone that people standardize on. > > > > In fact, long ago, the US military standardized on GMT as "Zulu > > time", as opposed to "Lima", a.k.a. local time. > > > > They'd have had a fighting chance if they'd have stuck with GMT. > > In fact, I think that a metric system based on GMT is a good idea, > > since 1/100th of a "beat" is 0.864 seconds, which gives just as > > good a granularity as the second. > > > > BMT is, so far as I know, a marketing scam of Swatch. It has > zero intellectual merit, and near zero following in the internet > world. Existing, accepted time standards were developed as part of > the development of astronomy. In astronomy research, an accepted > standard of time is necessary for the exchange of data. The existing > internet standards piggy back on prior work in astronomy. There is > little room for useful innovation by a gaggle of marketers. > > HTH > -- > Paul E Condon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > If it was commonly adopted, they would then turn round and copywrite it, and charge us by the second for access. We could really screw them up by running internet time on the basis of the Buddhist/Quantum theory principle of the 'eternal moment'. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:05:58 -0500 (EST) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, David Palmer. wrote: > > > > > -- > > > David Jardine > > > > > > The way I see it is that with all the separate componentry available > > with Debian, you can configure for any eventuality according to the > > individual need, whether that be for high volumn or otherwise. Standard > > configs do not answer to that. That's why I'm here, it's a steep > > learning curve at times, but that has its' profit factors also. > > If it's any consolation, you're further along the road than I am. > > I'm still figuring out the intricacies of sylpheed and evolution, but > > I'm looking forward to the rest. > > Regards, > > > > David. > > I used to use evo until I went back to pine. But The last thing I did was > change my evo setup to allow for better filtering. Instead of using the > pop3 mail option, I told evo to get mail from my mail spool. So, I had: > pop3->mailfilter->fetchmail->procmail->local mail spool->evo > instead of > pop3->evo > This allowed me do to better spam/virus filtering than using evo's filter > options. > -kev > Thanks for that. One more step along the road. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt displays mail twice... :-s
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:20:10 +0100
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but Mutt displays some mail twice,
> which is quite annoying. I was only getting started with
> exim/procmail/mutt, and it worked correctly for about two days. Exim
> hands mail over to procmail since I have a .procmailrc file, and the
> only thing that file contains right now is
>
> :0
> *
> ${MAILDIR}/inbox/
>
> apart from some variables (MAILDIR, LOGFILE etc.).
>
> I've put a screenshot, my .mutt/muttrc and my .procmailrc online at
> www.verbreyt.be/tmp/, although I'm not sure what could be in there
> that causes this behaviour. The screenshot shows how three mails are
> displayed twice.
>
> Has anyone else experienced something like this?
>
> Greets,
> Tom
>
Yep,
In evolution. It was working normally, and then for some reason it
started serving up double posts, when I ignored it the problem
disappeared.
I just put it down to attention deficiency syndrome.
Regards,
David.
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Re: Mutt displays mail twice... :-s
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:06:20 -0500 "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:23:35PM +0100, Tom wrote: > > | However, the longer this takes, the more I'm beginning to feel a > | little nervous, since it undoubtedly has to do with some > | misconfiguration of mine. > > Don't be so nervous, you just get duplicate mails. It's not the worst > that could happen :-). > > | Diff for the two messages of the above example spits out this: > | > | 2c2 > | < ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost ident=tom) > | --- > | > ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost ident=fetchmail) > | 4,5c4,5 > | < id 1AEFQo-0006UD-00 > | < for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:01:46 +0100 > | --- > | > id 1AEFP1-0006St-00 > | > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:59:55 +0100 > | 9c9 > | < for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:01:46 > | +0100(CET) > | --- > | > for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:59:55 > | > +0100(CET) > | > | One of the messages seems to be delivered about a minute later than > | the other, and it's obviously treated as a different message > | (exim-id's differ). Me and my newbie-ness suspect it has something > | to do with the first difference (ident=tom <-> ident=fetchmail). > | Could someone enlighten me...? > > Can you post the entire headers for both of those messages? The first > step will be to trace the Received: headers to see when and where the > messages travelled. As you've noted, the problem isn't in mutt or > procmail. The duplication happens before either of those programs > becomes involved. I suspect you are using fetchmail and for some > reason it is handing the message to exim twice, thus you get two > copies. Its also conceivable that the problem lies even earlier than > that with your mail provider, but we'll find out one step at a time. > > Hmm, actually, now that I think about it, I know what the problem is. > (How nice of exim to log 'ident' information, and how nice of your > system to provide it! :-D). 'ident', btw, is a mechanism whereby a > network host can ask another one what user owns the process that has > the socket open. In this case it really helps identify and solve the > problem (next paragraph ...). > > You have fetchmail running twice -- once as user 'fetchmail' and once > as user 'tom'. Both instances are grabbing the mail from your POP box > and passing it on to exim. You have fetchmail set to not remove > messages from the server, and POP has limited capability of > identifying "read" messages, so each fetchmail ends up fetching each > message. > > The solution is to clear out your /etc/fetchmailrc. (IMO running > fetchmail from your user's own crontab is better than running it as a > system-wide daemon, so I recommend keeping your ~/.fetchmailrc and > emptying /etc/fetchmailrc.) > > -D That is a common denominator. All I have is evolution and an unconfigured fetchmail. Pretty basic because at this stage I'm not capable of more, but I was double posting for about three days, and then without doing anything about it, it just cleared up. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: remote update -> how to re-enforce
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:10:09 +0100 Lukas Ruf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Nick Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-28 03:11]: > > > > > > When I logged in again on the remote boxes I simply restarted the > > > update process, but then I realized that dselect considers the > > > update being completed totally and proposes to delete the previously > > > downloaded packages even though the update process was interrupted > > > before. > > > > > > Is there any way how I can restart the update process such that all > > > packages are truely installed? > > > > Sorry I don't use dselect so I don't know how to get it to do this. > > However I believe that I you use apt-get to do your upgrades then this > > problem will be avoided automatically. > > > > unfortunately, not really. dselect, AFAIK, is just a front-end to > apt-get -- even though I realized additional functionality there (at > least, that's my impression). > > wbr, > Lukas Dselect is a frontend for dpkg. Initially it may even be best to get the feel of things with Synaptic, it has more of an interface to interreact with, and full package descriptions, with dependency recommendations. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:37:49 +0100 Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > [...] > > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is this my > [...] > Apparently not. I wonder why not. It would surely be a good idea - for > those using simpler mail clients. I use kmail and filter lists direct to > their own folders, where I set the reply-to-list address to try to prevent > myself making mistakes... > > À propos, I've been thinking of giving mutt a try: can it do that too? > > And another thing: all those spamassassin headers are resent to the list. > Seems a waste of bandwidth... > > -- > richard > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all sender mailing list' option that works for me. I just think that Monique has a lot of boyfriends! Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:28:12 -0600 Ron Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 17:10, David Palmer. wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:37:49 +0100 > > Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 28 October 2003 20:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > > [...] > > > > Hrm.. Does debian-user not set the reply-to to the list, or is > > > > this my > > > [...] > [snip] > > > -- > > > richard > > > > > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all > > sender > > mailing list' > > As do Evolution and mutt. Do pine, elm & MozMail? > Just my perception of it:- It's unnecessary. If someone is already subscribed to a list, obviously they are going to receive the post. To cc as well, to the same recipient, is not only pointless, it can be invasive. Not long ago someone cc'd me on an off-topic thread, and in that situation it's not only understandable, it's constructive. I should have accepted the invitation to take the conversation off-list where it would have been less distracting. I know Colin Watson would have appreciated it. I can think of no other situation where it is warranted. If this situation is not brought about by incorrect heading, then one has to wonder why some people feel a requirement to do it? Is there a reason? Are there any advocates of this behaviour pattern that would care to enlighten us? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time is runnign too fast
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:07:03 -0500 Mental Patient <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nori Heikkinen wrote: > > oh my god, i can't decide if that link is hilarious or what ... > > > > "Barbie Wizards guide girls through the process of partitioning > > their disks, formatting volumes, mounting Samba shares, and > > installing packages. > > > > This kind of attention to detail and thorough understanding of > > female limitations also shows in the step by step Barbie Wizards > > that guide girls through the process of partitioning their disks, > > formatting volumes, mounting Samba shares, and installing > > packages. During the installation, girls are allowed to play a > > fashion-plate game or view a slideshow of rainbows, kittens, and > > Mattel products." > > > > !! > > > > is this a joke?? > > > > > > > > Its something, certainly not serious. It being a joke is subject to > your sense of humor. > Yes, it's a joke. It's been making the rounds for almost a week now. I wonder how many parents have been running around trying to buy it Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:18:27 + Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:37:25 -0500 > Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If sylpheed can't handle that, then that is a bug and ought to be > > fixed. > > Well ... my track record on persuading them what is a bug is not good, > and a common response is to be told to go and write the code myself, > which I cannot do. > > - Richard. This is just their subtle way of telling you that they need help. Everyone has to start somewhere. Regards, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette: CCing on lists
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:36:06 + Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:10:57 +0800 > "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sylpheed has 'reply to > all > > sender > > mailing list' > > > > option that works for me. > > > But setting >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > as you seem to have done, prevents the reply to list option from working > properly. > > - Richard Yes, but it gives me the chance to pick up list mail from a number of different addresses each day depending on what town I'm in at the time. There are a few others on the list that do the same thing, probably for similar reasons. I was about to post to the list yesterday when I noticed that the individuals address was in the To: header for the reason that you just outlined. But, like you, I did notice. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting a partition from NTFS to Ext3
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:08:55 -0500 Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nathan Poznick wrote: > > Thus spake Frederico Rodrigues Abraham: > > > >>Hi. > >>How can i do this without losing the data on my NTFS partition? > >>This is the final step for moving completely from windows to > >linux! > yay! > >>Thanks > > > > > > You can't convert the partition in-place, you'll have to copy the > > data somewhere else, format it as ext3, and then copy it back. > > > > > > That is actually the case for every filesystem conversion (that I can > think of). > > -Roberto > I just tried a search on Freshmeat because I saw a reference to an app either in todays' Fresh Meat newsletter or Source Forge. I can't see it on Fresh Meats' site, so it must have been Sorce Forge, but their site is down for maintenance. As soon as it's up, do a search, or read todays' or yesterdays' onsite newsletter. The name of the app was ntfs something, so ntfs should give it to you. It stated something about a utility that could read ntfs, or work an ntfs structure from within Linux, and it was an updated release with considerably greater functionality than previously. Unfortunately, I didn't take much notice, as I don't intend to do any work in the future with this format, but it sounds as though it might be exactly what you may need. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting HP to support Debian
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:19:55 -0500 Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > > > They employ many people to develop Debian GNU/Linux and have donated > > quite a bit of our core infrastructure. Their Linux Chief Technology > > Officer is a former Debian Project Leader and a prolific Debian > > developer. I believe that HP employ more Debian developers than any > > other company in the world. If you think all that's unauthorized by > > their board, you're delusional, pure and simple. > > Any ideas on how to get them to sell me a laptop with Debian (or > any flavor of GNU/Linux) preinstalled then? I haven't had any luck > with them on this so far? Is it that the market is so small that > they are uwilling to try? or do customers not complain enough? > > -Roberto > I don't know about preinstalls, but a friend spent the best part of a day doing Debian installs on notebooks for a dealer that was getting a lot of enquiries and wanted to know what the true oil was. His favourite install was on the new Omni, he was very impressed, and the dealer gave him $500.00 Canadian off the price for the day, so he was happy. With that kind of market reaction, I don't think it will be too long before Linux preinstallations are available, but I'd still prefer to do my own. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Horizontal Sync
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:42:50 - "Tom Hinkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > > i need to specify my HorizSync in the above configuration file so that > i can have the resolution 1024x768. I am runiing debian linux version > 3.0 (woody). I have a Blade T64 AGP graphics card installed and > working with KDE at 800x600 however i wish to find my monitors > HorizSync value (i found the refresh rate on the manufacturers > website) but i still need the HorizSync. I tried inventing values for > the configuration file but KDE remained in 800x600. I have no idea > what my HorizSync value is nor how to obtain it. One of the values I > require is 60Hz /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 needs the other value. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. Also if there is something that I may be > doing wrong or if I have over looked something then please notify me. > Thanks > > > Tom > > > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In order to even begin to help we need to know the make of your monitor, and model. Most of this information will probably be on the back of your monitor. I assume it is an LCD? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting a partition from NTFS to Ext3.
This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but here is the link to the utility I was referring to in an earlier post:- http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=321792 Hope this helps. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:18:56 -0600 Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:41, Tom wrote: > > Has anybody else been surprised by the amount of good press MS is > > getting this week over longhorn? I think people are looking at the > > Mac OS9 -> OSX total rewrite and projecting wishes for MS to do > > something as drastic. > > > > It's like watching somebody involved in a bad marriage: I'll just > > stick by him/her, they're bound to change. It's worth it, if only > > for the kids. > > > > It's always interesting to watch 'em finally wake up. > > the way i was looking at it is longhorn must be horrible if the > marketing has to get this much of a running start on reviews before > the actual scheduled release(was it 2006?). if you heard there was a > movie/game/tech that had marketing running for 3 years before > release, wouldn't that be a sign of major suckage to you too? > A problem for them at the moment apparently, is the fact that a lot of what they classify as 'unearned revenue', that is, projected revenue from renewal of licencing, has been drastically reduced. This could well lead to more activity on the marketing front in an effort to rejuvenate income. A further expense that the earnings from Longhorn will have to justify. Good! Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:34:38 +1100 "Joyce, Matthew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Microsoft's software has always sucked, so I can't imagine > > they're losing too much sleep over quality or security, their Trusted > > Computing(tm) initiative notwithstanding. > > > > Excel is pretty neat and I wish there was a DOC Edit clone for linux. > > m > Gnomes' Gnumeric has full excel functionality. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Eliminate Popups?
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:03:00 -0500 "Thomas H. George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a setting in Mozilla to eliminate popups? I am running testing > and have the latest release of Mozilla for testing but a search of the > index finds nothing regarding popups. > > Tom George > Pop-up manager, under the 'tools' menu. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some newbie questions
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:18:53 +0200 "Alexey Buistov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Debian fans! > > The sixth iso image of binary "woody" is being downloaded to my > machine right now, but I'm still having plenty of questions concerning > Debian installation and even pre-installation. Please point me to some > doco or answer directly in mailing list: > > 1) Is it true that Debian has limitation on partition size - 6 gigs? > Or any other size limit? 2) Can I do all partitioning stuff from M$ > Window$ (using Partition Magick) before installation? 3) Where can I > ask some other newbie questions? Is this list the right place? > > Thanks > Hello Alexey, The Debian.org site is probably the best place to start looking for information, also here:- http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/categories.html There is so much information on the net concerning Debian that you should be able to find whatever you need on any subject. Just do a search through the Google search engine. Partition Magick is a piece of junk. It works, but you will have trouble later if you want to do things like resize partitions. Partitioning is a subject that is adequately catered for in the references I have already given you. This list is the right place, but before you ask a question here I would respectfully suggest that you search the associated list archives, where you will in all probability find answers to most questions. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:58:05 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:27:32PM -0500, Mike Mueller wrote: > > Mr. RH CEO tastes sour grapes because IBM dropped US$50M into Novell > > > > effectively choosing SuSE's dance card over the RH's. Mr. RH CEO > > peed into the OSS well. He should have kept his mouth shut. Then > > again he might be positioning RH for sale to M$. > > I thought RH and IBM were tight; RH was essentially IBM's Linux > support department (not literally, just sort of). > Not good business to keep all your eggs in one basket though. Also, these guys are good at long term strategy. Novell, along with Cisco and the U.S. Govt., have a major interest in the development of 'Abilene', the support network for Internet2. Employing open source to create a closed network. SuSE have just landed the Linux contract for the entire German Govt., I.B.M. picking up the deal on hardware supply and training. I.B.M.s' latest move has been a $50 million investment in Novell. All very cosy. I.B.M., along with Microsoft, has an interest in the Royal Bank of Canada, the institution that supplied SCO with its' bankroll. I'm sitting back wondering what's going to come out of it all. Linux people are running around saying 'this corporation's good, and that one is bad', when as far as I am concerned, corporations don't have personalities,-their lifeblood is profit. Period. Fullstop. If anybody thinks that corporate involvement with Linux has got anything to do with anything but a reduction in overhead,-nice stuff if you can afford to smoke it. H.P., slandered as it has been, appears to have been the only corporate body that has exhibited any real long term commitment, so far. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help!
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 01:48:03 - "Dan Huddart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know you guys don't want to hear this and I apologise but: > > I have never heard of this list or anything about it, yet somehow I've > been subscribed and I can't get off. I've sent the usual unsubscribe > email and mailed the list master, all with no success. Please help me > get off!!! > > Sorry for the spam. Stick with it! Some kind person is trying to save you. Now, the first thing we have to do is stop that thing you are employing as a mail client from polluting the internet any more than it has done already, and to do that we need to stop that piece of filth under it from taking up any space on what is potentially a good hard drive. Do a Google search on Debian.org and you will find screeds of information that will assist you in the direction of actually enjoying life, rather than feeling this overwhelming therapeutic desire to smash your monitor through the wall. If you want to leave a mailing list, Debian will actually allow you to do it. Once you have installed Debian, come back here and talk to us. We like people that have good operating systems. Regards, David. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Separate /home drive?
Hello, I've been reading different partitioning howtos but can't find any reference to a situation I thought I would like to install. It's probably a newbie idea, but I wondered if it would be possible to have system partitions on one drive, and posting to /home on another. If it is possible, does anybody have a reference they could point me to? Thanks for any information. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Separate /home drive?
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:38:06 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 15:24, David Palmer. wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've been reading different partitioning howtos but can't find any > > reference to a situation I thought I would like to install. > > It's probably a newbie idea, but I wondered if it would be possible > > to have system partitions on one drive, and posting to /home on > > another. If it is possible, does anybody have a reference they could > > point me to? > > Sure, why not? > I'm aware that there is a standard cross balance/reference configuration from server box to server box to copy information from one to the other in case of server failure. Is it possible to employ the same or similar mechanism to copy from drive to drive within the PC environment, or is this only possible by way of a periodic backup procedure, perhaps through cron, anacron, or another utility? I'm looking at maintaining a copy of the /home drive in the above configuration in the case of drive failure. I can always boot into system partitions with a rescue disc, but I want to be able to preserve the info on /home. Regards and thanks, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Separate /home drive?
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:46:03 -0600 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Palmer. wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've been reading different partitioning howtos but can't find any > > reference to a situation I thought I would like to install. > > It's probably a newbie idea, but I wondered if it would be possible > > to have system partitions on one drive, and posting to /home on > > another. If it is possible, > > Sure, easy. > > does anybody have a reference they could point me to? > > > It depends on where you're starting from. Assuming you have a > functional system, and you've just added in a new drive: > > 1) Partition the new drive, say "cfdisk /dev/hdb". To keep things > conceptually easy here, we'll assume the entire drive will be one > partition. So create a new partition, using the entire drive. It'll be > > of type "linux". > > 2) Format the new partition, say "mkfs /dev/hdb1". > > 3) Inform /etc/fstab of the new partition, say: > > /dev/hdb1 /home ext2 rw 02 > > 4) Temporarily mount your new partition, say: > mkdir /tmpHome > mount /dev/hdb1 /tmpHome > > 5) Copy over your existing /home directory, say "cp -a /home/ > /tmpHome" > > 6) Switch to single user mode, say "init S". > > 7) Make sure /home is not mounted, say > mount > if it's mounted, "umount /home" > > 8) Rename your current home directory, say "mv /home /home.bak" > > 9) Create a new home directory, with the same permissions/ownership as > > the old one, say: > mkdir /home > ls -ld /home.bak (to see old perms) > chown and chmod as necessary > > 10) Mount the new directory to make sure it looks right, say: > mount /home > > 11) Return to normal mode, say "init 2". > > That should do it. > > -- > Kent > Thanks for that. I don't understand what half of it means, but finding out is what it's all about. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Separate /home drive?
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:53:39 -0500 "Jason Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ahh... reminds me of that old adage: > Home is where your fstab tells it to be. > > (Hint: man fstab) > > Regards, > Jason Thank you, Jason. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Separate /home drive?
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:57:50 +0100 Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello > > David Palmer. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > > > I've been reading different partitioning howtos but can't find any > > reference to a situation I thought I would like to install. > > It's probably a newbie idea, but I wondered if it would be possible to > > have system partitions on one drive, and posting to /home on another. > > Yes, it is possible. If you do not yet have installed Debian, create the > two partitions (you can do this during the installation). Next format > and mount them. The installation program lets you choose where you want > to mount your partitions, choose /home for the home partition. > > If you already have installed Debian, create a new partition, format it > (for example with mke2fs if you want to use ext2 or ext3). Next, mount > it somewhere, move your stuff from /home to the new partition (/don't/ > move the home dir itself there, only it's contents), unmount it and > remount it in /home. Now all you have to do is to add a line to your > fstab to have it mounted at boottime automatically. > > best regards > Andreas Janssen > Thank you Paul, Andreas, Miernik and Ron. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:58:51 -0700 David Millet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Complain to the store's owner that his employees overwrote your > >data, and demand compensation. Contact the BSA, and tell them > >about the unlicensed Windows. > > > > > hell ya! > > Contact MS and tell them about the unlicensed windows install. Give them the name and address of the dealer, and say that you have it on good authority that he is the coordinator for the MSBlaster programme. Buy your sister a brand new Omni with Debian installed out of the reward money. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:28:57 -0500 Mike Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 07 November 2003 13:27, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 11:45, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 11:01:58AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > As in "proprietary, closed-source apps"? > > > > > > > > Well, that depends on if you see them as a "problem", or > > > > something that you prefer not to use. > > > > Personally I haven't really made my mind up about prioprietry > > > apps, and whether RMS is right or not. However, the success of > > > Linux is widely attributed to the open-source development model, > > > so I can't really see the future of Linux throwing it away. Open source success comes from the wealth of the innovative factor of the entire public domain. > > > > I'm all for the open-source development model. However, we must > > respect that some companies want to keep their source closed, and > > still sell to the Linux market. Whereas with this scenario we have a party who does not contribute, retains full possession, and only sells the use of the product.There is also the factor of how much code has been stolen from the public domain, and is being sold back to them. > > I'm fascinated with this question from a practical perspective. > > The RMS model works when producers can afford to present a gift or > when a community organizes to accomplish a goal (barn-raising, for > example). > > Let's say you're a barn builder. People need barns and are used to > buying barns now-a-days. You go around to the community and suggest a > community barn-raising project. Everyone agrees but you soon find out > the participants are barn users and not barn builders. The community > is more than happy to use the barn you give them for free if you'll do > it for free. You talk to your family and they remind you that they'll > starve if you build barns for free. So you offer to build barns for a > price and you find that people are willing to buy the barns because > they don't want to learn barn-building. Perhaps they do. Many hands make light work. This is how all barns were built at one stage, until something changed our sense of community. Entire barns would be erected in a day, and it wasn't just work, it was a social occassion with everyone involved including the kids, while the girls got together on a picnic lunch-that also being a collective effort with a free interchange of recipes and methods. It wasn't just barns that got built this way, houses and community (there's that word again) buildings did too. While they are working together, the barn-builder gets enough ideas in turn to feed his family twice over. "Sure Ted, it's easy. I'll be round on Tuesday and show you how it's done." > > The quilting bee in the church basement, on the other hand, is a > well-oiled machine because there are enough quilters that can do the > work Only because somebody else showed them how to do it in the first place. and enjoy it and they all get quilts out of the deal which is > good because it gets chilly at night around there. Everybody profits. So they turn up > regularly to quilt and talk trash about the people that are not > quilters And there's that social factor again, with the free interchange of ideas, and opportunities for aspects such as cross-cultural appreciation. - especially that barn builder that first said he was going > to build a free barn for everybody in town but later changed his mind > and how he should just get a barn-raising group together and everybody > should help to build barns for everone in the group just like they do > with quilts. > > I can relate to the barn builder in my own endeavors. I sure like > that quilt on my bed too. > -- > Mike Mueller > 324881 (08/20/2003) The problem with the internet is that it permits us to get to know each other, and to appreciate each others' thought processes by way of direct interchange. Utilities such as imaginary lines on maps, nationalism, theologies, cannot convince me that you are 'the pit of all evil' if I have learnt by way of practical experience, the only source of true knowledge, that you are not. We are not building a quilt or a barn here, we are weaving the very fabric of the medium of our common social interchange, and we must be very careful that they of the 'closed source mentality', whether corporate, governmental, or a collusion of both, do not take it from us so that they can further bend us to their purpose. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No to wine! (was:"Red Hat recommends...")
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 15:24:45 +0100 Christian Schnobrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 00:52, David Millet wrote: > > > > > > Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that > > everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully happens soon. > > No! > please. > cu, > Schnobs > I have one or two things that I haven't been able to get working with Linux yet, but that has much to do with newbieness. I will get them to work when I learn to write code/scripts if I have to. I have tasted the freedom, and I will never go back to compromised conformity, even to the point of refusing to run wine on any other system but down my throat. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-skins?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 13:32:08 +0800 tshuyang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Francisco Castellon wrote: > > > Hello list: > > > > I was wondering where I can get skins for windows-X? I am just > > trying to get the desktop to look pretty snazzy, I know I seen some > > peoples desktops where their windows (ie. X-terms, etc) look like > > they are transparent and have some pretty neat sub menus and > > backgrounds, is there anywhere where I could get something like > > that? Thanx! > > > it depends on what wm you use > > Yes, and using programmes like eterm rather than xterm make a difference, once you check out what's in their menus. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motherboard ASUS a7v600: is anybody using this?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:37:29 +1000 Alan Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have ordered this motherboard, with 3c940 Gigabit ethernet (with a > "Linux" driver on the ASUS website(?!)); and AD1850 "AC'97" etc.) > sound. I would appreciate hearing about any issues people have > encountered. > > Thanks for any advice. I would like to be prepared before burying my > head in the sand... > > Alan > Hello Alan, AsusTEK make excellent motherboards, which particular one are you referring to? Motherboards are only part of the story, there are other variables which come into play also. For example at one stage there were issues with Athlon processors riding on Via chipsets. That one is long resolved, but I give it as an example. Asus motherboards, you will be pleased to know, come with the best manuals. I doubt that you would have problems, but without specifics, it's a little difficult to be emphatic. Just out of interest, is there any particular reason that you employ your entire signature file at once, rather than individual selections? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motherboard ASUS a7v600: is anybody using this?
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:37:29 +1000 Alan Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have ordered this motherboard, with 3c940 Gigabit ethernet (with a > "Linux" driver on the ASUS website(?!)); and AD1850 "AC'97" etc.) > sound. I would appreciate hearing about any issues people have > encountered. > > Thanks for any advice. I would like to be prepared before burying my > head in the sand... > > Alan > O.K., sorry. Just noticed the subject line. Checked out the board on the Asus site. It looks O.K. I'm not sure about the ethernet factor, but 3COM will be able to advise you there, they are very obliging. They've generally got a toll-free number, and ask for 'presales'. I know that they have got downloadable linux drivers onsite, which is probably where Asus got theirs' from. More hardware manufacturers are making Linux drivers now that there is a greater market demand for linux in the corporate market, but the quality of those drivers may not be so hot. That factor will improve with time for exactly the same reason. Why are you going for this particular board? I ask because I'm getting the A7N8X Deluxe in the near future, and it seems like the better board. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motherboard ASUS a7v600: is anybody using this?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:49:07 -0600 Hanasaki JiJi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could I ask about the complete specs and costs of what you put > together? > I have been eye'ing the Asus A7V600 also. These are the parts I was > > looking at.. Off www.newegg.com > > $130 SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600 256MB 8X AGP > But sarge has xfree 4.2 and 4.3 is needed for readeon > $210 AMD ATHLON XP 3000 "Barton" 400MHz FSB OEM > What is needed for an OEM > Suggestions on a Fan? What is "grease"? > It would be a waste to get the kt600 and not get > a cpu that can do fsb400 > How large of a power supply? > 2 x 200GB WD harddrives > $220 2 x KINGSTON KVR400X64C25/512 512MB 400MHz > The board max's at 1 gig :( > > Is the ethernet only Gigabit? My network is all 10/100. > > The plan was to boot and install the minimum from woody then upgrade > to sarge and get kernel 2.4.22 (newest as of 11/9/2003) > > Any thoughts, input, advise, suggestions? > > Thanks so much! > PSUs, cooling units, and all other rated, recommended accessories for AMD CPUs can be found on the AMD site. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to resolve booting problem
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:48:17 -0500 (EST) Parfait BINI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good morning Sir, > My name's Parfait BINI, I got a boot problem with my computer. I had > a new RAM for playing Playstation games,when I start by Win98 iI don't > have no problem but when I start by WindowsXP it shows me an error of > imcompatibility. I've remove this RAM and since this day ,I no more > use my slot extension and I can start my computer with my Sound card > and network card. Please give INformation to resolve that. Hoping to > hear from you soon.Thanks. Parfait BINI > Hello Parfait, It has been a long time since I did anything with a Microsoft distribution, but I believe from memory that XP takes a reading of your system at registration time, and then refuses any further additions to that system, yes, even unto a RAM upgrade. I believe that they implemented this so that it would make it difficult to put XP onto more than one system. There was a big stink about the level of arrogance involved in dictating how people were permitted to employ their own property from memory, and I think if you ring the operator on the number provided on your install CD that they are able to make some configuration change which will permit you to use new hardware upgrades that you have purchased for use on your own machine in conjunction with the operating system that you have also purchased. But other than that, I don't have any advice to offer. Perhaps you might like to try Debian? Debian isn't arrogant at all. To start off with Debian I personally would advise using Knoppix or Libranet. If you search for either of those two terms with Google you will achieve the kind of result that left windose behind for me some time ago. I will never go back. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:24:14 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less > > > than what these people spend on the software itself now. > > People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits. I use round numbers: > in my 9 years since college, the "average joe" has gone from expecting > > roughly $45K, then to $60K, now kids out of school expect $75K. > > I know it sucks, but you really can make a case for replacing people > with dumb software -- people are amazingly expensive to maintain :-) > That's if you can get a person that has sufficient quality to maintain in the first place. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: understanding Fetchmail
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:23:09 +0100 Kordula Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi fellow Debian fans, > > I'm having a problem understanding fetchmail. > I've got fetchmail 5.9.11 which I installed from the stable package > collection. I also have Exim 3.35 installed (which was a default > install when I installed Woody). > > I have fetchmail running as a daemon and checking for mail every 60 > seconds on 'localhost'. > But when I use my Webmin admin app to check the servers, I get... > > Checking for mail on server(s) with command /usr/bin/fetchmail -v -f > '/etc/fetchmailrc' .. > > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll started > > POP3 connection to localhost failed: Connection refused > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll completed > > fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll started > > POP3 connection to localhost failed: Connection refused > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll completed > > fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll started > > POP3 connection to localhost failed: Connection refused > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll completed > > fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll started > > POP3 connection to localhost failed: Connection refused > > fetchmail: 5.9.11 querying localhost (protocol POP3) at Tue Nov 11 > 09:32:03 2003: poll completed > > fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) > > fetchmail: normal termination, status 2 > > .. checking failed! > and it does not seem to matter if I change 'localhost' to the FQDN of > my server either. > I've been reading that fetchmail is well documented, but I've checked > the man pages, and I'm just not getting it. > Am I trying to use fetchmail for something it's not intended to be > used for? My whole reason for fetchmail was to allow users to access > their e-mail via their MUAs (e.g. Outlook Express). > > Any help with this will be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > Kordula > Hello Kordula, i don't know much about it myself, but perhaps this may help:- http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=linux&db=man&fname=/usr/share/catman/man1/fetchmail.1.html&srch=fetchmail You will have to copy and paste into your URL handler. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freelance sysadmining - $50k - rates [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:48:14 -0800 (PST) Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi ya scruloose > > -- list of "who exactly is doing all this" > - providing linux support, training, etc > ( you can search for it ) > - there's a whole list of consultants for most distributions > - there mailing lists, chatrooms, archives, howtos,... > > On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, ScruLoose wrote: > > > > > $50,000 / 2000hrs/year = $25/hr thank you drive through :-) > > > > > > good point, except its 24x7 coverage from them, so its more like > > > $8/hr ... > > > > Yeah, but if your $50,000/yr client only needs 50 hours of actual > > service during that year, then it's a grand an hour. > > All of a sudden, it doesn't sound too hard to undercut that. > > ah ... i see you havent been getting too many "tech support calls" > on a fixed plan basis :-) > - its more like $5.oo/hr by the time you've provided > the proper and satisfactory answer to the point that they'd > renew the contracts > > - i like it because, sometimes i get to fill in the blanks > before they go hire a 24x7 in house staff for the same $50K/yr > ( i fill in to just solve the 1 or 2 problems that didnt get > ( resolved before the "whole thing" needs a complete overhaul > ( "whole thing" == network, pc, instslls, windoze, ... ) > > > Plunk your average PC-owning end-user down in front of woody + KDE3 > > + OO.o + recent Mozilla, and their maintenance needs are likely to > > go about as far as ssh-ing in to their box and running an apt-get > > update when security fixes come out. > > Charge a couple of hundred bucks a year for that and it's well into > > the black. > > - how often does patches for those apps come out??? > - do you automatically apply them via cron ??? > - do you tell them they better be prepared for either > a) you apply the patches remotely and everything is fixed or > b) you apply the patches and things break > > - when things break .. did it break because of your updates and > patches > or was it broken before you made your changes > - they never touched anything or changed anything ... > ( which can be verified .. > > - how or who changed it is a separate issue of why its now > broken > > - > - sometimes chattr +i /etc/* is a good idea :-) > - and i have a few of them out there ... they can't break it > - unless whomever they are getting knows about chattr and its > - new renamed name... > - > > > Might make sense to have several levels of service. > > (Please note that I'm thinking in Canadian dollars, but these are > > wild-ass-guess numbers anyway) > > - Routine patches: $50/year > > you cant apply all the patches for $50/yr ... no way .. not even > via cron ... > - at $5/hr ... thats 10hrs/year ... > - at $25/hr .. thats 2hrs/yr for applying all patches > > > - Patches + version upgrades + up to n hours of other work that can > > be > >done over ssh: $200/year ... or maybe $n*100/year > > and you will be out of available hours, when a "REQUIRED, YOU MUST > APPLY PATCH NOW" comes out, otherwise they are a sitting duck .. > - limited number of hours wont work for applying "patches" > - what if the patch breaks something else ?? > > - apache + mysql + php + *ssl + perl + bugzilla is a big > unknown when one is patched separately form the rest > ( been burnt by it .. a couple [free]months down the drain > > and it was when ssh just had its announced exploits before > slapper came out ... > > - limited number of hours for "their questions" and you reply > to their questions is okay > > > - House calls extra (but discounted if you're on a plan) > > whether you go there or they bring to you ... doesnt make much > difference > > i prefer to go there, so you can see what else is the problems > because ti will probably work when they bring it to you > - i prefer they dont touch anything, and have a repeatable > problem that i can see what they did that didnt work for them > > - sometimes, just turn the power switch on !!! > ( just happened about 2 weeks ago ... costs them $3,000-$5K in > ( expenses a client incurred for their customers > > - power cords do get kicked around ... :-) > and they didnt do question/answer before heading out.. > > > - Maybe offer the "insurance" plan including coverage of ID10T > > errors > >for quite a lot more per year > >(not necessary if you go with the $n*100/year formula I guess) > > insurance plan, that is NOT authorized/written by the local > "dept of insurance" of your state is a null/void insurance plan > and probably get yoou into deeper trouble > > warranty of the hardware is covered by the original manufacturer > of the cpu/mem/disk/powersupply
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:51:10 +0200 Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for > recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem > to fit the bill yet. > I need a window manager with the following > - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't > have much to spare). > - Multiple desktops > - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for > both the debian menus and a custom menu. > - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) > - multiple desktops > > I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on > gnome which is too memory intensive). > I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and > fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have > with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are > sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly > mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now. > > Thanx. > Icewm. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:19 + Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for > > recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none > > seem to fit the bill yet. > > I need a window manager with the following > > - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I > > don't have much to spare). > > - Multiple desktops > > - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support > > for both the debian menus and a custom menu. > > - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) > > - multiple desktops > > PWM, or ION (pwm, ion, ion-devel packages) > As I suggested before, Icewm. Apt-get update Apt-get install icewm-themes iceme icepref Will give you so much configurability with next to no drive space taken up. That's if you need the fastest leanest window manager around. Windowmaker is good too. If you want a desktop environment instead, XFce3 or XFce4, but they're heavier on resources. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Swen on the come back trail.
Is it my imagination, or is it really happening? Seem to be new headers involved, too. The rumoured new one should be easy to deal with, headers are obvious, called mimail with an attachment. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:15:18 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:18:34PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 04:04:57PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 11:36:29AM -0800, Tom wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:35:39PM +0100, Benedict Verheyen > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have mixed feelings. One the one hand, I read about China's > > > > opium wars in the 1800s, and see a failed people resulting from > > > > "legalizing it." On the other hand, I see a drug which causes > > > > people to fight, crash their cars, and beat their kids (alcohol) > > > > completely normalized. > > > > Not to be too much of a nit, but China's opium problems, and the > > Opium Wars, were mostly courtesey of the British, who were the > > pushers, dealers, and instigators of the whole affair, including the > > various skirmishes and battles. The situation back then was quite > > far from'legalizing it', and was much closer to the way drugs move > > in the U.S. today, with foreign governments handling production and > > [illegal] distribution, and with the U.S. government fighting a > > loosing battle against them. > > That is all true. Read Terry Parssinen's "Webs of Smoke" for the gory > > details. > > However, it is a blunt fact that Chinese users happily consumed the > drug (poppies from India were considered best; chinese poppies were > low-grade), and as a result, their culture, pride, and manhood were > wasted. It left a cultural mark of shame that lasts to this day. It is also one of the major motivating factors for selling it back to 'the round eyes' these days. Or, so they have told me. > > So the point is, maybe it's not so good for millions of people to get > high, regardless of the cause :-) I'm arguing that it's okay to do > pot only insofar as it is severely limited, by law and by cultural > norms. > Having worked with street people for a lot of years, and having been around a little myself, please let me elaborate on a point. We live in an extremely alienating, fragmenting form of society. There are reasons for this that I won't elaborate on because this is a precis of the situation, and a full blown account would fill volumns. There is no doubt that the world has arrived at a nadir, and the average persons' existence has also come to the point where that is virtually all it is. There is a requirement to escape from an unpleasant scenario, and when we feel powerless to bring about a positive change in our existence, we have no choice but to do so. This escapism, varies with the individuals' belief in their ability to deal with the reality within which they find themselves. It may only be the requirement to identify with a character in a book, to that last fit that drops them in the gutter. But it is all escapism. The environment is merely a reflection of the individual within it. Until we are capable of bringing about a change in the way we think, we are always going to be swimming in a cess-pool. The worlds' history is full of examples of nations trying to change nations, families trying to change families, individuals attempting to change individuals, but the only revolution that counts, is effective in any measure is the one within the individual, brought about by the individual. Until we mature enough as a species to assume the full responsibility of our existence, our situation will never improve. Any employment of escapism is merely a symptom of the disease. Cure the disease and the symptoms will disappear. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: i keep getting e-mails from Mailer Daemon
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:10:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi.keep getting e-mails from a MAILER DAEMON, sayin that > an e-mail that i sent out didnt go through, i looked in my mail sent > box and it was full of Sent mail with a subject i never heard of sent > to over 40 people..i never sent these e-mails, i want it > to stop and i dont how to make it stop, so if u could help me it would > be greatfully appreciated > > Thank You > Erica > Keresey > Swen is picking up, and now we are beginning to get this sort of thing again. Most of the time they come from AOL too. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:35:20PM -0500, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > On Friday 14 November 2003 1:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On the upside, those with the brains to move > > > themselves up on the socioeconomic ladder will do quite well. > > > > I don't think they will do so well with the number of guns you have > > in the streets, bullets don't distinguish Ph degrees. > > PhDs and brains don't go hand-in-hand; part of being smart is knowing > how to work within whatever cultural limitations you must; in the case > of firearm-owning Americans, you just need to be smart enough not to > not get on their bad side. Social engineering at its most useful. > Agreed. Einstein failed a maths exam, didn't see the sense in memorising multiplication tables when they were already written down. The education programme, which varies extensively with any particular environment, is initiated from approved texts. The most successful (individuals?) within the restrictions of the imposed paradigms gains the appropriate marks of social approval. Thinking outside the square and other symptoms of intelligence are looked down upon. and even derogated. The modern 'educational' process is there to teach people how to read just well enough so that they no longer need to think. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:44:33 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 14:48, David Palmer. wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:32 -0800 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:35:20PM -0500, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 1:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > On the upside, those with the brains to move > > > > > themselves up on the socioeconomic ladder will do quite well. > > > > > > > > I don't think they will do so well with the number of guns you > > > > have in the streets, bullets don't distinguish Ph degrees. > > > > > > PhDs and brains don't go hand-in-hand; part of being smart is > > > knowing how to work within whatever cultural limitations you must; > > > in the case of firearm-owning Americans, you just need to be smart > > > enough not to not get on their bad side. Social engineering at > > > its most useful. > > > > > Agreed. > > Einstein failed a maths exam, didn't see the sense in memorising > > multiplication tables when they were already written down. > > The education programme, which varies extensively with any > > particular environment, is initiated from approved texts. The most > > successful(individuals?) within the restrictions of the imposed > > paradigms gains the appropriate marks of social approval. Thinking > > outside the square and other symptoms of intelligence are looked > > down upon. and even derogated. > > The modern 'educational' process is there to teach people how to > > read just well enough so that they no longer need to think. > > Regards, > > It seems to me that the "most successful" would be those who can > master the social needs (get good grades from approved testbooks, > etc), while still being able to think outside the box. > These potentially highly dangerous individuals are confined to institutions known as 'research centres', and if non conforming are seen as a disruptive and undesirable element by the established social order, and are further relegated to the classification of 'terrorist'. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:55:58 -0800 Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:12, David Palmer. wrote: > ... > >>These potentially highly dangerous individuals are confined to > >>institutions known as 'research centres', and if non conforming are seen > >>as a disruptive and undesirable element by the established social order, > >>and are further relegated to the classification of 'terrorist'. > > > > > > Jeez, *I* got good grades in school, yet still (I think) think out- > > side the box, yet don't live in a "research centre", the established > > social order doesn't think I'm a disruptive and undesirable element, > > and hasn't yet classified me a "terrorist". > >conclusion: you have found a good place to hide :-) > > erik > Yes, hide here with us, in Debian World. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anaconda, where's the beef?
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:30:12 -0800 "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:05:59PM -0500, Fraser Campbell > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Apologies since this isn't really a Debian question but does anyone > > know where a person can download the anaconda port for Debian? I > > saw the announcement a while back from Progeny but there were no > > links, binaries, source or hints as to when they might make it > > available. Perhaps they're waiting to get their public subversion > > server ready? > > > > I'm hoping the port includes the ability to kickstart Debian, that > > would make it _very_ useful for me today. > > Good question. > > I just spent several minutes poking through the announcements, several > package archives (both standard Debian archives, > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp (ITP list), > http://www.apt-get.org/, and the #debian IRC channel. > > Your best bet may be to approach Progeny or Ian Murdoch directly on > this. > > ...and if you find out what the scoop is, please share! > I don't know why we have to go to Red Hat for something that Debian requires. This looks like everything that might be required here:- http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=455&page=1 Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian based working distribution
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:53:24 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otto Wyss) wrote: > Since the current Debian sarge installation doesn't work (see > "debian-boot" list) and I need an installation fast I'm looking for > alternatives. So far I've tested Knoppix from the newspaper ct (has no > root access), Morphix (doesn't run on my system). Any others? > Do a google or alltheweb on Libranet. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:56 + ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 02:05:15 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 23:07, ben wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:14:38 -0800 > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:39:31AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > [snip] > > > whatever about the rest, a theocracy in a century! bush has > > > already made public statements about how god instructed him to > > > invade afghanistan and iraq. what the hell happend to separation > > > of church and state? on top of > > > > Tell you what: I won't interpret the German Constitution if you > > don't interpret the U.S. Constitution. > > nah, i've got a better idea: you feel free to interpret the german > constitution or any other text in the world, or not, as you wish, and > i'll go on feeling free to do the same. no need to forbid yourself > anything on my account. > > > > > > Do you even know what "separation of church and state" means? Does > > it mean "government officials shall avoid religion at all costs", > > or does it mean "Congress shall make no law respecting an estab- > > lishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"? > > http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/constitution/amdt1.html > > http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1 > > > > Yes, that's right: Jefferson didn't mean what we now understand > > "a wall of separation between Church and State" to mean. > > > then i take it you haven't read jefferson's wall of separation letter. > there's a copy of it at > > www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall, > > a transcript of the original in the library of congress. > > in response to the two questions above, consequent to my > interpretation of the statements made by jefferson in that letter, the > first answer would be that i believe i have a fairly good grasp of > what jefferson understood separation of church and state to mean, and > the second answer would be that, both definitions above are equally > correct. > > don't get me wrong, i'm not an america-basher. i know and like the > place, but i'm very concerned that so much that is great there, in > particular the vast range of freedoms implied in the constitution, is > being steadily pulled out from under you by the current > administration, and in such a manner that the conditions under which > us other humans get to live are also detrimentally influenced. i think > that the process by which individuals get to be in power, there, has > been steadily removed from the people to such a degree that too many, > albeit well-intended and loyal good folks, have begun to rely on blind > faith rather than to continually regard government sceptically, as a > necessary evil that should always be held in check and held to account > for the manner in which it deals with its allotment of public trust. > > ben > Now that is fair and unbiased. The only thing that can prevent the general acceptance of that are the points of perception that are created by the sort of insular, parochial forms of 'education' (incorporating mechanisms like nationalism), that I have previously referred to. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:52:43 -0500 TR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its not often that I agree with Tom. Should I be worried? > > > > > > Holy crap! I would! > Be afraid. Be very afraid. Regards David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:23:51 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:35:54 -0600, > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > > [snip very good points] > > > > > > > The modern 'educational' process is there to teach people > > > > how to read just well enough so that they no longer need to > > > > think. > > > > > > The modern educational process should teach people not to > > > think what have been thought by others before, but to > > > concentrate on new problems. It's what some call progress. > > > > People still should think about "what have been thought by > > others before", because what has been thought before might be > > wrong. > > Yes. Imagine the consequences of someone figuring out we can > actually accelerate beyond the speed of light. > > They have. They have also stopped it. If you are interested, it might take me a while because it was a subect I was dealing with some time ago, but I could chase up some references. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Re: Opium
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:09:20 +0800 csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:09:37 +0100, > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:39:31 -0600, > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 02:22, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:56:11 -0600, > > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [...] > > > > > as sharing a good life etc means mankind volonteers to back > > > > off on breeding, capping the population at I guess 15B, and > > > > easing it down to the long term sustainable 10B. > > This doesn't have to be the case if humanity expands to space. > There are enough raw materials out there for 10T humans. (Just > reading a sci-fi novel about asteroid mining.) > > > > It was tried in the PRC, which has the muscle and > > > neighborhood spies to enforce it. Still, it didn't work. > > There's never been any self-limiting species. That's why we have > pest control and wayward asteroids to keep the successes of > evolution in check. If we as a species want to survive the next > millenium we have to invest in space. No amount of birth control > or social problem will solve the population explosion. > When you next look at an orange that's going mouldy, look more closely. There are a number of colonies of microorganisms pulling off the contract, not just one. A colony of bacteria is only capable of growing to a certain size before it begins to kill itself off with its' own effluent. In a very similar fashion to what we are doing to ourselves now. Also, man is the only species on the planet that goes in for wholesale self-slaughter. Not even rats do that. There are self-limiting species, alright. They are the dumb ones. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maybe I missed a thread
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:01:10 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 07:09, Tom Allison wrote: > > I have been unsubscribed from 'debian-user' for a bit so I may have > > missed a thread on this one. > > > > But there has been a lot of discussion on other distro-lists about > > the potential implications concerning the recent announcements of > > RedHat/Fedora and SuSE/Novell. From the other lists, there's a lot > > of discussion about alternatives and with that Debian is mentioned A > > LOT. > > > > Does any of this have any real potential influence on Debian? > > How about an influx of "users" who depend on GUI for administration, > and who aren't sick of RPM? > I intend to agree here, especially with all the work being done at present on the installation aspect of Debian. This is going to make Debian much more 'accessible' to the general population than it has been in the past. I have been thinking even of proposing the formation of another one or two mailing lists (I considered 'networking' to have enough traffic to be classified as a separate topic), as Debian-User, as the general mailing list is possibly going to become deluged. Though we probably have some time before that potential occurs. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debootable.
Hi, I noticed some reference to debootable here the other day. Tried a google-no data, and just tried an onsite Debian package search,-no luck there either. Would someone be good enough to point me in the right direction? Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windoze multiboot etc.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 12:07:08AM +1200, cr wrote: > This may seem an odd place to ask this, but I'll bet some of the folks on > this list know more about the technicalities of booting Windoze than Windoze > users do ;) Sometimes I do it through the bios, but here's a newbie trick. Install windows on the slave, and place your primary (primaries) in removable racks. Then when you want to go into windows just unlock and slightly pull out the rack, just enough to disconnect it, and windows thinks it owns the c drive. I quite like conning it. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open-source opportunuity?
On Thursday 11 September 2003 07:36, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (10/09/03 15:29), Pigeon wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 05:21:56PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:21:23 +0100, > > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:57:05AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > > on Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:09:43AM +0100, Pigeon > > > > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:> From the current issue of RAIL > > > > > magazine:> > > > > > > > > > > > "Network Rail is seeking tenders to replace its Windows NT > > > > > > system, which Microsoft abandons in December. NR has 10,000 > > > > > > desktop computers, 2,900 laptops and 300 servers - the equivalent > > > > > > of one computer for each track mile it owns!" > > > > > > > > > > And where might Network Rail be? I'm guessing UK: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.networkrail.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > No current GNU/Linux position openings listed. > > > > > > > > If they're "seeking tenders", that means they're looking for > > > > third-party companies to whom they can contract out the work, not > > > > offering jobs themselves. > > > > > > ..which again means any of us can set up a company to take this > > > business. ;-) Any of you guys based in the UK wanna join in? > > > > That was my thinking when I made the original post. Personally, I have > > zero experience of that sort of thing and I tend to drive business > > people nuts. But I'm sure there are UK people on this list who would > > be able to do something useful. > > I'm London (UK) based and have a business background. I lack the > technical skills and knowledge to approach this but I'd be happy to > contribute. > > I lurk on this list generally to expand my knowledge and > have been a beneficiary of your collective wisdom and individual > knowledge ;) > > Regards > > Clive > > http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk > strategies for business This can be done! There is an international engineering consortium that has no corporate head office, they exist on the net, with administration stretched over three continents, that rarely meet. Let's take out British Rail! Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO invites open source people to 'monetize' Linux
On Thursday 11 September 2003 13:55, Sourian wrote: > Here we go again... > > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=47107 > > > This is like a bad ongoing dream... > > Best regards, > Sourian Hello, No, it's not just a bad dream, this is the strategy becoming apparent. SCO are not alone in this, they are just the spearhead of an otherwise hidden attack. And, no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. The secondary evolutionary step of the Sonny Bono act is the D.M.C.A., with its' behind the scenes, vested interest lobby groups. Do you think the present activity in Europe is coincidental? When you produce a product to the point where it competes or supercedes the social norm, you will get interested and powerful parties attempting to possess it. Forget the veneer of civilization, this is the way of things. It always has been, and it always will be. The recent discussion here involving AOL/Time Warner is only one obvious example of how the corporate structure usurps a feature of the public domain, and then sells it back to the very people that own it. If the open source movement doesn't shake off its' fog of complacency and get organized, very shortly the GPL will be placed in the realm of obsolescence, because in the land of the dollar where the dollar rules, justice is the first casualty. And afterwards anybody in possession of code, without the approved licence, will be legally liable. The open source movement, you see, is not under control. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Open-source opportunuity?
On Thursday 11 September 2003 15:09, Oliver Elphick wrote: > I'm an accountant by training, but technical by long-settled choice. > > Making a tender is very much a business and marketing exercise. We > would need to convince the customer not only of the technical merits of > our proposal but also that we have an organisation capable both of doing > the job and of providing long-term support. We would first have to > build such an organisation. > > If that can be done, I would like to be involved. At one stage, I was this countries' third largest entertainment promoter. Every product has its' idiosyncracies, but the precepts of marketing remain the same. I'm in. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO v open-source community
On Thursday 11 September 2003 17:50, Clive Menzies wrote: > Thought this may be of interest to the list - worth a read, if you > haven't seen it: > > http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003091001926OSCDCY > > Regards > > Clive Hello Clive. Yes it was a powerful answer, but now I believe two days old. SCOs' latest shot across the bows is this one which was in the earlier post:- http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=47107 What concerns me are things like url addressing, and most of the other protocols that define the internet, being linux, must stay within the public domain., otherwise they own that too. If they own your freedom they possess your independent individuality. If you are interested in this situation, Ralph Glanz has it fairly well covered over at Promote-Open Source. http://promote_opensource.org/modules/news/ Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCO v open-source community
On Thursday 11 September 2003 19:09, Clive Menzies wrote: > On (11/09/03 18:31), David Palmer wrote: > > On Thursday 11 September 2003 17:50, Clive Menzies wrote: > > > Thought this may be of interest to the list - worth a read, if you > > > haven't seen it: > > > > > > http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003091001926OSCDCY > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Clive > > > > Hello Clive. > > Yes it was a powerful answer, but now I believe two days old. > > SCOs' latest shot across the bows is this one which was in the earlier > > post:- http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?news/news_story.php?id=47107 > > Seems like more noise and no substance to me, as well as demonstrating > a misunderstanding of what open source is all about. Rather like MS > accusing the latest open source initiative by governments in Asia of being > "anti-competitive" > > > What concerns me are things like url addressing, and most of the other > > protocols that define the internet, being linux, must stay within the > > public domain., otherwise they own that too. > > If they own your freedom they possess your independent individuality. > > If you are interested in this situation, Ralph Glanz has it fairly well > > covered over at Promote-Open Source. > > http://promote_opensource.org/modules/news/ > > Couldn't open this link? > > Regards > > Clive I'll try again:- http://promote-opensource.org/modules/news/ That should be better. Sorry. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Re: SCO v open-source community
Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:46:27 -0400 From: Glanz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: SCO v open-source community > If they own your freedom they possess your independent individuality. > If you are interested in this situation, Ralph Glanz has it fairly well > covered over at Promote-Open Source. > http://promote_opensource.org/modules/news/ Linus also responds to McBride by Linus Torvalds - Dear Darl, Thank you so much for your letter. We are happy that you agree that customers need to know that Open Source is legal and stable, and we heartily agree with that sentence of your letter. The others don't seem to make as much sense, but we find the dialogue refreshing. However, we have to sadly decline taking business model advice from a company that seems to have squandered all its money (that it made off a Linux IPO, I might add, since there's a nice bit of irony there), and now seems to play the U.S. legal system as a lottery. We in the Open Source group continue to believe in technology as a way of driving customer interest and demand. Also, we find your references to a negotiating table somewhat confusing, since there doesn't seem to be anything to negotiate about. SCO has yet to show any infringing IP in the Open Source domain, but we wait with bated breath for when you will actually care to inform us about what you are blathering about. All of our source code is out in the open, and we welcome you to point to any particular piece you might disagree with. Until then, please accept our gratitude for your submission, Yours truly, Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with Via AC97 controller
On Friday 12 September 2003 19:37, Richard Shepherd wrote: > I am running 3.0r1+g2.2 Woody on a DFI ad77 with KT400 chipset. On > startup, I get a sound device not detected error. 'sndconfig' detects a > > Via Technologies VT8233 AC97 Audio controller > > But when I try the test I hear no sound and get: > > modprobe provokes the following error > > /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: init_module: No > such device > > /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod: > > /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: failed > > /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod > sound-slot-0 failed > > Can you help? > > > Rick Shepherd Hello, Be warned:- Newbie advice! The VT audio controller looks like the controller on your southbridge. It doesn't seem to be detecting your card. Is your card installed? Is the module for your card loaded? And also, sometimes it pays to remove your card and gently wipe the contact points with a soft cotton cloth (never your hands), then reseating it firmly again because it might not be contacting properly. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Roadrunner dial-up problem.
/quote: I am trying to dial into RoadRunner dialup service. They unfortunately only support Windows and won't help me with Linux. My Thinkpad WinModem is working fine and I have tested it by dialing up to other dialup ISP accounts./unquote. Hello Andy, Yes I had exactly the same problem with my ISP. I sent them an email to the general effect that by refusing to support anything but windows applications they were dictating what their client base were permitted to have on their machines, besides adding to the market domination of an already over bloated monopoly. And by doing so, they were in all probability acting illegally. IANAL, but it did the trick. I received back what amounted to a three month free membership. You are the market. They give you what you want, not the other way round. If they don't, the web provides a massive audience, and you have the power to harm their future business in a very real way. You can provide the proof of your personal integrity in the situation right from the sent file of your mail client. Email has had the same legal standing (court admissable evidence) as fax, in all of the westernised countries for some considerable years now. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Roadrunner dial-up problem.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:16:13 -0400 Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Palmer wrote: > > /quote: I am trying to dial into RoadRunner dialup service. > > They unfortunately only support Windows and won't help me with Linux. > > My Thinkpad WinModem is working fine and I have tested it > > by dialing up to other dialup ISP accounts./unquote. > > > > Hello Andy, > > > > Yes I had exactly the same problem with my ISP. > > I sent them an email to the general effect that by refusing to support > > anything but windows applications they were dictating what their client base > > were permitted to have on their machines, besides adding to the market > > domination of an already over bloated monopoly. And by doing so, they were in > > all probability acting illegally. > > IANAL, but it did the trick. > > I received back what amounted to a three month free membership. > > You are the market. They give you what you want, not the other way round. > > If they don't, the web provides a massive audience, and you have the power to > > harm their future business in a very real way. > > You can provide the proof of your personal integrity in the situation right > > from the sent file of your mail client. Email has had the same legal standing > > (court admissable evidence) as fax, in all of the westernised countries for > > some considerable years now. > > Regards, > > > > David. > > > > > > Any chance you tried to get the dial-up information necessary to get Linux to > work? Or were they just being pricks about the whole thing? > > -- > Get forgiveness now -- tomorrow you may no longer feel guilty. > I would have been quite happy with just the information, but initially I ran into a few that rigidly held to the company line. I thought that service standard was pathetic. What sort of training bill would be incurred showing staff (young though they may be) the basic set up for 95, 98, ME, 2000, and XP. They are all very similar, and up on a screen in front of the helpdesk staff. As an amusing aside, after that all the closet on staff Linux freaks have come out into the open. They got themselves a new tech manager. They started off with BSD on their server, then moved to one of the Linux Distros, then he came along and installed Win NT. Afraid of what he doesn't understand. It got amusing when I wasn't getting some of my mail. I was forwarding 'postmaster' reject messages that online acquaintances were sending me at another address-invalid address, and similar- to them so that they could figure out what the problem was. The new manager didn't like it apparently when I mailed him advising that this was the last occasion on which I intended to provide support for a Microsoft application. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Video Card for Woody
On Sunday 14 September 2003 00:10, Brian C wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having trouble getting my Matrox G550 working with Debian, because > it is not supported in the version of XFree86 that is installed with > Woody. I've successfully upgraded XFree86 to unstable but X still barfs > when I try to start it. (mga_hal module doesn't exist, etc.) Anyway, > that's not really the point, unless someone wants to tell me > step-by-step how they got their G550 working. > > My question is: What IS an available, cheap, but not too ancient video > card that will automagically work with the default Woody install? For > instance, would the ATI Radeon 9000 work? How far up ATI's numbering > system can I go before there's trouble? I'm not using the card for 3d > gaming or video editing. We're talking e-mail and word-processing here, > so a fifty dollar card or so is what I'd like. At the same time, I don't > want some ancient card that is going to be the weak link in an otherwise > very up-to-date system (because I believe one day Sarge will be > officially released, etc.) ;-) > > Please CC my address as I'm going to have to unsubscribe. Can't handle > the volume! Thanks! > > Brian A Riva TNT2 is all you need for those applications. And it has 3D facility if you ever need to step up. You should be able to get one very cheaply now. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FTP only with windows, why not...
On Saturday 13 September 2003 10:01 pm, Juri Haberland wrote: > Peter Christensen schrieb: > > But recently I wanted to FTP a photo to the "personal web space" that my > > ISP provides. I've been unable to do this, and have not found any > > information on what is going wrong. I wonder if some servers are set up > > so that only Windows applications can access them??? Just today I went > > back on a windows machine and used a product called "Leech" to do the > > FTP. It worked fine. Give your ISP a call or mail and ask them if the have CGI (common gateway interface), if not ,that could be your problem. They probably have, in which case the problem is elsewhere. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not a speed reader.
Hello everyone, I'm experimenting on my Libranet setup, and I've got things in a bit of a mess. Never mind it matches the rest of the house. When I was in my Windows days, there was an obscure setting that would slow down the start up graphics to a pace that you had time to read them. Is there an equivalent mechanism in Debian? I need to be able to see what is(n't) installed, what modules are(n't) present so that I can mess things up further. Regards and thanks, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not a speed reader.
On Monday 15 September 2003 22:40, Pim Bliek wrote: > Even easier is to read it afterwards. > > Try: > 'dmesg | less' > or: > 'less /var/log/kern.log' > > Both ways give you lots of info what happened during bootup and enables > you grep'ing for stuff as well of course :). > > Pim > > On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 15:47, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 09:27:30PM +0800, David Palmer wrote: > > > I'm experimenting on my Libranet setup, and I've got things in a bit of > > > a mess. > > > Never mind it matches the rest of the house. > > > When I was in my Windows days, there was an obscure setting that would > > > slow down the start up graphics to a pace that you had time to read > > > them. Is there an equivalent mechanism in Debian? > > > > You can hit Ctrl-S as messages are scrolling up the screen to pause > > them. Hit Ctrl-Q to resume when you're ready. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for that, Pim and Colin. Should give me plenty to play with. Now I'm almost too scared to look. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: Oracle vs Debian?
On Tuesday 16 September 2003 20:45, Kent West wrote: > thread he was otherwise not involved in.> > > > For clarity and to support conversational discussion style, please use > > bottom-posting format: your reply goes below the material cited. > > Trim your quotes appropriately and ensure your attributions are > > accurate. > > > > See: > > > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/email-style.html > > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html > > http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html > > > > Thank you. > > Wayne Sitton wrote: > >and as to you KMSelf, as far as I know this is an open list, and your > >email to me on what you think should be proper email response was not > >asked for by me. I gave an answer to a question that had nothing to do > >with you...and as far as I know you are not a moderator of this list. > > > >So basically...butt out > > Since "this is an open list", and since Karsten's part of this > community, and since these messages are archived for the community, > Karsten has as much right as anyone to gently steer people in the "ways > of the list". I hope I'm not being offensive by saying this; I don't > mean to be. Hello, In being a member of any social group, there is a requirement for a standard of behaviour conformity. This is usually to ensure the end result of a commonly perceived productive direction. On the subscribe page for the Debian maillists, there is a reference to the format required for this environment There are a number of personalities on this list that have been here for some considerable time, have put in a lot of work towards promoting the efficient use of the Debian system, and have politely requested over the years that other posters conform to the standard previously mentioned. The standard is there, not just for the purposes of social acceptance, but also for the efficient cataloguing of the archives. Archives which these people have spent a lot of time and energy in creating. When somebody arrives on the scene without fully realising the requirement for the formality, by their non-adherence their action is seen as personally abusive. When seen in this light, a little terseness is quite understandable. Myself? I'd be looking for a gun. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non-US Packages
On Thursday 18 September 2003 11:04, Juan Pablo wrote: > It's not clear to me what does Non-US mean? > I read at > http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list-non-US.html and I > conclude it's about software wich is restricted to US > (i.e. prohibited to export but available from other > countries) > But then I found > http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full.html and it > says this are " packages that can't be distributed in > the US due to software patents or use of encryption." > So, what's the truth? > > Thanks, > > Juan Pablo > > P.S. Both pages say at the bottom "Last modified: Thu > Sep 11 17:27:35 2003" so it is not about a recent > change, isn't it? > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Hello, Strong encription is illegal in the states, as it makes it to hard for magic lantern/carnivore to read your mail. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Martin Krafft - mail bouncing
On Monday 22 September 2003 05:23, Christoph Simon wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:06:53 +0200 > > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there any company in the world which can > > > > > do that without having the status of a monopoly? > > > > ..www.telenor.no ? It "only" has the copper... ;-) > > Ooops. World seems to be a worse place than I thought. Hello, In Australia, you would have a case based on 'a denial of natural justice' suit, which would need to be pursued through the supreme court. This is expensive, about $Au10,000.00/day all up, paying barristers, Q.C.s, etc. But if you can get a few of you together to share the expense, given that a similar situation exists there, this is how you set a legal precedent, which is quite often the basis for governmental regulation legislation. I would also check to see if there is a watchdog body that administers to commercial non conformity to existing legislation. Doing it by way of email might be a sweetly poetic touch. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: having reponse problem
On Monday 22 September 2003 10:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > every time i turn on the computer. I think you are going to experience another one here. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: RH and Debian brothers now?
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:51:36 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 03:55:47PM -0400, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > Seems to me that for the first time debian is going to have real > > competition in its own field. > > Red Hat announced that they will join with fedora community and > > produce the Red Hat Linux Project. So they will have almost the same > > model of development that debian. > > Isn't that amazing for a company? > > I would be a lot more amazed if they finally came out and admitted > that they're not always doing good things for the community and that > perhaps they should work WITH a project that's already in place, such > as, oh... say... DEBIAN! :) > > As much as I like RH for advancing GNU/Linux in general, I think some > of their business decisions aren't the greatest. Not to mention some > of their compatibility issues. Does anyone remember gcc 2.96? > > Rather than trying to do what Debian has been doing for years, I'd > much rather see them JOIN with Debian to further promote > community-supported distros. > > -- > Alex Malinovich > Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! > Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the > pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 > Lawrence Lessig would have a lot to do with this move. He appreciates the innovative power of the collective common community. I notice though, on attempting to provide input into the 'Creative Commons' educational licencing concept, and being locked out because I'm not an educator, that the inclination is more towards gaining from that innovative power, than contributing to it. Which is of course, where the community gets its' power from. So, no, I don't think that a RedHat merger with Debian would be a good move just yet. Their stand against SCO, and etc., would be motivated by a desire to protect their best interests first, and the communities' second, if that. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Total Mess.
I just installed Libranets' 2.8.1 (latest version). After apt-get update, and then apt-get -u dist-upgrade, and configuring Debconf. and resultant install, I get menu items like Eterm not available anymore. At the end of the install in Eterm I get:- 'Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/powermgmt-base /var/cache/apt/archives/sawfish_ E: Sub-process /user/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)' And that's it. I remember somewhere during the upgrade, mention of a radical change in the powermgmt package, and I took the approved option. Sawfish I can live without, also. Both of these would not be mission urgent enough to produce the effect, so I would think that it must have something to do with a common library to Debconf. and dpkg? I wouldn't know, I'm an absolute newby so I'm fairly lost here. I know there must be a way to copy and paste the display but I had to type it out, which should give you the general gist. Can anyone give me any idea as to what has gone wrong here, and point me to a reference of some sort which will assist me in cleaning this up? Kernal version is 2.4.21. Thanks for any input. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re-installation snag wrong mouse selected
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:46:56 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:35:28AM -0800, J Y wrote: > > Thanks..yes I know the command to reconfigure the xserver & mouse. I > > just can't get a terminal window to open. Well I did actually in > > Gnome but there was a dialogue box in front of the shell and I > > couldn't see the terminal window. After hobbling about the desktop > > with an erratic mouse and then just the tab an arrow keys I must > > have done more damage to the system because now the keyboard doesn't > > work in debian either. It works fine in SuSe, (where I'm writing > > this from). I don't believe that one mistake means I need to to do > > yet another re-install.oh well. > > Stop right there: you shouldn't need to reinstall. Have you tried > Ctrl-Alt-F1 yet? (The lists are slow so my earlier post saying this > doesn't seem to have made it; cc'ing you explicitly just in case > something's stuck.) > I'll say they're slow. A post I sent three days ago only just made it to the list. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:20:28 -0700 (PDT) April Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello.. can i ask a question on here by anychance.. paul wade?? my question is do i > know you?? i truly hope so... but the names april and i havebeen trying to find you > for like six years now.. > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search O.K., Paul. It's a fair cop. Time to go home. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:46:11 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 19:13, Clive Menzies wrote: > > On (28/09/03 00:39), Peter Nuttall wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 12:19 am, Edward Murrell wrote: > [snip] > > > If you are looking for these things, could I recommend mandrake > > > linux over debian. IMHO debian is for the power user who is ready > > > to fiddle with text files and the shell. Mandrake is good for > > > people who just want it to work. > > People seem to have good things to say about Libranet which is > > Debian based but with much of what you are looking for. Or you > > could look at Knoppix. > > Libranet and/or Knoppix. > > -- > - Also Gnoppix. Google will give it to you. I run Libranet, and as an introduction into the Debian realm, it can't be beaten, I don't think. This from somebody who is just begining to break through the GUI. But everybody has given you a reasonable selection to choose from, I think. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compatability.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, alex wrote: > Not exactly a Debian only topic but where else is the degree of > experience and expertise available besides this Debian list? > > Suppose someone wants to put together or buy a computer ---something > that is fully compatible with Linux.no makedo patches such as > for winmodems or other components, etc---how can you make sure > you're getting what you want? > > What are the indicators that will tell us whether the components are > fully Linux compatible, whether they are part of a ready to run > Windows computer, a systemless computer, a bare bones box, or one > that you build from scratch? > > Is there something that prevents manufacturers from clearly stating > that a product is fully suitable for Linux? It's done for MS > Windows. Is this some kind of legal or technical issue, or is it > some kind of 'business arrangement'? > > Wouldn't it be nice if there was a notice or disclaimer that clearly > stated, "100% suitable for Linux" or "Not suitable for Linux" > > With the universal recognition and use of Linux as an operating > system, it seems strange that you don't see components or a whole > computer clearly identified as fully suitable for Linux even though > it may have MS Windows installed. > > alex The website of the particular distribution concerned is the best place to look. But even then, be precise. As a newby I was held up on install for about a week because yes, I had done my homework, and I knew it was an S3 graphics card, and it was apparently covered in the specs, but a minor variation and the associated driver almost made me give up. There are politics and the associated profit factor involved of course, hardware manufacturers have been applying for 'M'soft compliance' for a while now. There'll be money involved there. But other factors are also involved such as manufacturers not wishing to give away too much information about their product, so that Linux drivers can be manufactured for them. Then again, other manufacturers manufacture their own Linux drivers. Nvidia is noted for this. The consolation prize is, as Linux gains greater market acceptance, manufacturers are changing to gain a greater percentage of the new market share, so persistance is the answer to success in this as it is in anything else. It's not hard to get a linux box together, the profit factor accumulates with the knowledge. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Black Holes.
O.K., I'm trying to get on top of a few things here, and am struggling to find directions that make sense. It's got to the point where I have actually got to the point of starting off a series of posts at an open source forum to help out other newbies like myself. But even though I am able to find documentation that will teach me the basics of bash, I've looked all over the web for a simple tutorial to explain step by step procedure for download and install of a basic application. 'Start the installation procedure', was the last reference I copped, without the faintest thread of logical explanation about how one should go about doing that. I've downloaded the Gnupg application. I know it's there because after the end of the download the location is stated as '/home/username/.opera/download', so at a prompt I'll type:- 'cd /home/username/.opera/download' and I get echoed back to me:- ~/.opera/download$ to check I type:- pwd and get :-/.opera/download echoed back again. So it's definitely there. But how do I get to it, install, and activate it? What is the procedure now? So the only other avenue that I haven't tried is a book. On the Debian site there is a list. Would anybody who has read any of these be good enough to recommend one that attempts to communicate? The Linux Cookbook. DebianGNU/Linux Bible. Learning Debian GNU/Linux. Debian GNU/Linux: Guide to Installation & Usage. I should appreciate any response. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:13 +0200 Martin Jungowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:31, Tom wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 11:19:06AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > A friend of mine has had Windows installed for over a year. He's > > > getting somewhat sick of it due to the recent spate of virus and > > > spyware that's rendered his machine unusable. He's asked me to > > > reinstall Windows, and Linux in a dual boot configuration. > > > > > > > IMHO don't try to emulate Windows: your solution will always seem > > inferior by comparison. > > > > I don't have a KDE or Gnome environment; I have a killer QT3 and > > GTK2 environment managed by Fluxbox, plus Moz Firebird from source. > > There's other apps that "round it out" like XMMS, Mplayer, > > OpenOffice, abcde, &c.; it takes about a month and a couple dozen > > "false starts" to learn what that list is for you! > > > Yes, that may seem for you. But Joe Average needs a desktop > environment that is easy to use albeit powerful enough for him. The > problem is that geeks/power users can never think the way beginners > do, they see things from totally different angles. > > Your environment might be ok for you and maybe a dozen other power > users. But it will definitely not be ok for Mr. Average who's looking > for a Windows replacement OS. > > Martin > Just get Libranet 2.8.1 at http://www.libranet.com It has the latest version of Open Office on it which will give him all he needs. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
