Changes to mailing list subcsription
I signed up for some lists because I was having some problems, which are now resolved. I'd like to switch my subscription to a digest format. I was wondering what kind of email to send to the list-server to do this for the mailling lists I've subscribed to. Many thanks, A -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Customizing xscreensaver
Greetings, I've figured out how to modify the colour scheme of the unlock dialog for xscreensaver, though I'm wondering if it only supports a certain colour palette. The one thing I can't change, however, is the god-awful computer-on-fire icon from 1985. I'd like to just replace that with a copy of the debian logo. Any clues on where the unlock dialog is locating this icon/image? I tried switching out the icons in /usr/share/pixmaps to no effect. Currently running squeeze. Best, Arthur
Re: building a custom kernel:IT WORKED
I read somewhere that although optimize for size will decrease the size of the kernel on the disk, not optimizing for size will increase the performance of the kernel, at least during the boot stage, as it won't be compressed and can be read without having to uncompress it first. Is this mistaken? If not, given the size of most hard disks, I'd rather have the kernel take up an extra few mb's in order to have a faster boot time. No?
Re: Customizing xscreensaver
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Tom Furie wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:16:05AM -0600, Arthur Machlas wrote: > > > I've figured out how to modify the colour scheme of the unlock dialog for > > xscreensaver, though I'm wondering if it only supports a certain colour > > palette. The one thing I can't change, however, is the god-awful > > computer-on-fire icon from 1985. I'd like to just replace that with a > copy > > of the debian logo. > > > > Any clues on where the unlock dialog is locating this icon/image? I tried > > switching out the icons in /usr/share/pixmaps to no effect. > > It would seem from a quick scan of the source, that the logo is compiled > in. In utils/images there are logo-180.gif, logo-180.xpm, logo-50.gif, > logo-50.xpm, logo-big.gif and logo.eps files along with some .png files > which are replicated in /usr/share/xscreensaver/glade. You could try > dropping a logo in there, though I get the feeling that is only for the > preferences dialogue. > > Cheers, > Tom > Greetings Tom, and thanks for the quick response. What with the holidays I haven't had a chance to check out those locations. I'm reluctant to recompile the app just for changing the icon. Perhaps I will design a new one and submit to upstream as patch and hope for the best. In the meanwhile, I will try out some of your findings and let you know if its modifiable. Best, Arthur
Re: install
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: > On 2009-12-31 at 12:37:33 -0500, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > Not all BIOSes have built-in network boot support, though. For those who > > don't, but can boot a CD-ROM, you can boot this CD and it will then > > continue to a network boot as would have been done in a computer whose > > BIOS can do that automatically. > > Oh, now I get it. But that raises another question: why then is there a > need > for two network-based installation methods: netinst and netboot? Why not > just use netboot for all network-based installs and save some duplication > of effort? Then again, there are two flavors of netinst: regular and > "business card". (Or is "business card" considered a separate installation > method?) Why so many flavors? Why not use the netboot CD for everything? There are things called "business card cd's" which, unsurprisingly, are about the size of a business card. You can carry one of these in your wallet and give them out at conventions, or just have them handy if you want to surprise your friends who invite you over for dinner then make the mistake of letting you check your email on their computer without having disabled boot from cd in the bios. In any event, someone out there oviously feels it is worth the effort and since having more options available doesn't really harm anyone, why not just let them be?
Re: Roman Gelfand has invited you to open a Google mail account
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM, John Hasler wrote: > Paul E Condon writes: > > In fairness to Google, no one who is a party to this conversation > > knows that Google sent the spam. > > Perhaps, but the headers are pretty convincing. I suggest that Roman > take the matter up with Google. > -- > John Hasler > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI < edua...@kalinowski.com.br> wrote: > On Ter, 05 Jan 2010, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> In fairness to Google, no one who is a party to this conversation knows >> that >> Google sent the spam. Google does have commercial competitors, some of >> whom >> might view this as an amusing trick to play on Google. And there are in >> this >> world *many* trolls whose motives for trolling are beyond my >> understanding. >> >> I incline toward the troll theory. The spam showed up in my inbox about >> the >> same time as a legitimate post from Roman, which is the perfect time to >> troll >> a fake spam, but too time correlated with Roman's post to have been run up >> the approval ladder in a competitor. >> > > That is possible, but the message seems to have come from a google server: > > Received: from mail-ew0-f236.google.com > (mail-ew0-f236.google.com[209.85.219.236]) >by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7799113A5CED >for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 04:47:59 + > (UTC) > Received: by ewy16 with SMTP id 16so2261887ewy.2 >for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:47:57 -0800 > (PST) > > It also has DKIM and DomainKeys signatures, but I have not verified them. > > > > -- > We're all in this alone. >-- Lily Tomlin > > > Eduardo M KALINOWSKI > edua...@kalinowski.com.br > > Guys, have you heard about this? It's called hotmail. You want to write a letter to your friends? Just click compose, write, send. Need to send a recipe to a friend? Look at this: It's got attachments. You just click upload, ok, send. Wham, bam, hotmail spam. It's so easy, your mother could do it. Speaking of your mother, have you written her lately? You don't want to write her, she's making you cry, she's making me cry. Watch this - out of office reply. No more letters from mom. It's that easy. And if you sign up now, and I'm talking in the next twenty minutes, because we can't do this all day you know, we'll not only give the inbox, email address and spam filter, we're also gonna give you the ability to search your mail and save drafts. So what'dya waiting for? Sign up now. www.hotmail.com Arthur.
Re: Roman Gelfand has invited you to open a Google mail account
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Aioanei Rares wrote: > Arthur Machlas wrote: > >> Guys, have you heard about this? It's called hotmail. You want to write a >> letter to your friends? Just click compose, write, send. Need to send a >> recipe to a friend? Look at this: It's got attachments. You just click >> upload, ok, send. Wham, bam, hotmail spam. It's so easy, your mother could >> do it. Speaking of your mother, have you written her lately? You don't want >> to write her, she's making you cry, she's making me cry. Watch this - out of >> office reply. No more letters from mom. It's that easy. And if you sign up >> now, and I'm talking in the next twenty minutes, because we can't do this >> all day you know, we'll not only give the inbox, email address and spam >> filter, we're also gonna give you the ability to search your mail and save >> drafts. So what'dya waiting for? Sign up now. www.hotmail.com < >> http://www.hotmail.com/> >> Arthur. >> >> >> >> > 1. Your post is sent from gmail. More than obvious. If it's so hot, why > don't you use it? > 2. Am I the only one thinking that this is blatant trolling? > 3. It's not a thread about which mail service provider is better (see 2.), > which is a matter of personal taste, it's a thread about whether the mail > from the OP was spam from Google or not. > You're quite sharp. Almost as sharp as my slapchop. Eleventy internet dollars says the top-poster sent it by accident. Call off the hounds.
Re: CPU fan working more than it should
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:50 AM, George wrote: > I just installed Debian on my laptop and I notice that the CPU fan is > working much more than it used to work on windows. It must be that > Debian changed the temperature threshold. How can I change it back? My guess is that you haven't enabled frequency scaling, so your cpu is running at full throttle non-stop.
Re: CPU fan working more than it should
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 07. 01. 2010 16:08:40 je George napisal(a): > > On 1/7/10, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:50 AM, George wrote: >> > >> >> I just installed Debian on my laptop and I notice that the CPU fan is >> >> working much more than it used to work on windows. It must be that >> >> Debian changed the temperature threshold. How can I change it back? >> > > Apparently, ACPI implementations in laptops are buggy (or let's say > non-standardized) more often than not. I suspect M$ must have several > workarounds in place in order to run -- at least in general -- cooler and > more power-savvy than GNU/Linux. These workarounds may well be industry > secrets between M$ and the laptop vendors for all we know ... You may read a > write up on my humble experience with a heated, noisy, jumpy laptop (gosh, > sounds like my wife), by hopping over to the link provided at the end of my > post; just look for the heading "Laptops in Heat". There you'll find more > about ACPI, the thermal kernel module, the trip points and related stuff, > and also some relevant links for further reading. > > -- > Regards, > > Klistvud > Certifiable Loonix User #481801 > http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com > In addition to the info above, I use the PHC patch to allow undervolting of the CPU, or in my case CPUs. Without it on a default kernel my fan kicks in every 30 seconds or so. With it it doesn't kick in at all unless I do something like render video or compile a kernel. Haven't bothered to check the temp differences or do any real benchmarking. Best, Arthur
Re: Roman Gelfand has invited you to open a Google mail account
> > On 01/10/2010 12:15 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Tue,05.Jan.10, 13:41:18, Mark Allums wrote: >> >> >> >>> I guess your sarcasm meter is broken today. Better get it service. >>> (The hotmail post is satire, guys.) >>> >>> >> Quote from RFC 1855, section 2.1.1 (emphasis mine): >> >> "Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, >> and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember >> that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. *Be* >> *especially* *careful* *with* *sarcasm*." >> >> Regards, >> Andrei >> >> > Thanks, Andrei. By the way, I don't think that was satire, but when things > turned south , he changed the 'from' mail address from gmail to another and > tried to get away with the old "oh guys, I was just joking." Common... > > No, it was definitely satire. To explain: I felt the amount of time and effort trying to determine if spam was some nefarious plot by google to increase market share highly amusing and deserving of mockery/ridicule. I also felt almost quoting the slap-chop commercial verbatim would be obvious enough for anyone with access to the internet. I'll be sure to post in debian-humor.list from now on. Best, Arthur PS. Yes, I know Debian Humor doesn't exist. It's another joke.
Re: Strange work of eth0.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: > > Why I have such situation: > > $ sudo /sbin/ifdown eth0 > SIOCDELRT: No such process > > $ /sbin/ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:19:b9:53:34:18 > inet addr:192.168.0.125 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::219:b9ff:fe53:3418/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:2434 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:5030 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:422464 (412.5 KiB) TX bytes:3251913 (3.1 MiB) > Interrupt:21 > > Do you have more than one ethernet network card on this computer? If so try disabling one. E.g., if you're using a network card, in your bios disable the onboard network card. If you're using onboard, remove the network card. See if that doesn't resolve the situation. Best, Arthur
Re: problems using wicd on WPA2 secured networks
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On 2010-01-19, Paul Scott wrote: > > Liam O'Toole wrote: > >> On 2010-01-19, Paul Scott wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Wicd is mostly not working for me on networks using WPA2 including a > >>> Linksys WRT54G2 router I configured myself for WPA2. Testing this > >>> connection when encryption is disabled works fine. When I set the > >>> router to WPA2 Personal I currently get: > >>> Connection failed: bad password > >>> > >> --SNIP-- > >>> 2010/01/19 01:45:13 :: wpa_supplicant authentication may have failed. > >>> 2010/01/19 01:45:13 :: connect result is Failed > >>> 2010/01/19 01:45:13 :: exiting connection thread > >>> 2010/01/19 01:45:13 :: Sending connection attempt result bad_pass > >> --SNIP-- > >> > >> I'm using backported wicd 1.6.2.2 on lenny. It authenticates > >> successfully using WPA2 with a WRT54G router. For encryption type I use > >> "WPA 1/2 Preshared Key" and enter the key in hexadecimal. No trouble. > >> > >> How does that compare with your settings? > > > > This may lead me to ideas not made clear in docs I have read so far. > > > > I am using WPA2 Personal with a text based password which appears to be > > converted to a key by wicd. > > > > How you create a Preshared Key? > > > > In terms of either wicd or the router what's the difference between a > > key and a password? > > > > I find that the terms "key", "password", and "passphrase" tend to be > used interchangeably in the literature. The important thing to remember > is that the key can be 8-63 printable ASCII characters or 64 hexadecimal > characters. Hence the conversion you mention above. > > To generate a PSK, you can use an online service like > https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm. > > > Not to belabour the obvious, but are you certain the passwords match? One time I generated a password on the router not realizing that my caps lock key was on. Best, Arthur
Re: Intel 2100 wireless firmware (ipw2100-1.3.fw) for Lenny installation
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Mark wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to install the firmware for an Intel ipw2100 wifi card on a > Dell Latitude D800 laptop (the driver is supported in the Lenny kernel, just > not the firmware). According to this page > http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200(note bold text by Steve McIntyre) the Debian > installer should be able to > read the tarball file during the installation; I tried last night but the > installer needs the .fw file not the tar.gz file. Every link I've tried, > including this one http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ipw2x00 is > either a tar.gz or .deb file. I can't seem to find a download for .fw...any > ideas or help out there? I suppose I can install the firmware after getting > Lenny installed by adding "contrib non-free" to /apt/sources.list, but since > the installer prompts for "ipw2100-1.3.fw" file during installation, I'd > like to get it installed at that time. > > Thanks in advance for any ideas. > > Mark > Actually, I've experienced problems with setting up wifi connnections after installing the firmware during the installation phase. You're much better off installing the firmware via aptitude after installing. Arthur
Sandbox, chroot, makejail and application
Greetings, I want to install and run SPSS for linux. It needs to be installed by root, but run by a normal user. I want to install it such that it has no access to my system as a whole. I believe the method to achieve this is a chroot environment. From my readings so far I also need to look into makejail. I am looking for any tips / advice about the general approach, good reading materials, etc. that the list may have to offer. Many thanks, Arthur
Re: Intel 2100 wireless firmware (ipw2100-1.3.fw) for Lenny installation
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Mark wrote: > Oh, and if I boot to an Ubuntu Live 9.10 CD it connects no problem. What > the what?? > Hi, me again. You know, the guy who said it wasn't worth the trouble. That it's better to use aptitude after the fact. Yeah... hey. Good news is I eventually found a simple answer on google. Bad news is it was some time ago, don't remember how or where I found it. Essentially I had to clean out some config files that weren't set up properly by installing firmware during the before any parts of the system were actually installed. Best, Arthur
Re: Organize Debian mail lists page, please, thanks :)
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:37 PM, giovanni_re pontificated: > Hi - thanks for your work on the debian mailing lists. :) > > I include some notes here about several improvements to the debian > website, regarding mailing lists. They 1) communicate more quickly the > _most imortant_ information, & 2) enable people to find the relevant > information more quickly. > > > == > Do you think you could get this done? Any idea the time frame? Thanks > :) > > > This reminds me of those letters from a nut books, by Ted L. Nancy. Best, Arthur
Re: console resolution
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > On 2010-01-22 at 09:00:54 -0500, Javier Barroso wrote: > > Seem like gfxpayload is the substitute, but now I can't find where is the > > doc (it doesn't appear in kernel-parameters.txt). > > I'm really going out on a limb when I talk about grub2, since I only used > it for a very short time, but I seem to remember that gfxpayload sets the > video mode for grub itself. I don't think it applies to the kernel proper. > The doc for grub2, such as it is, is at > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. I gave up on grub2 > rather quickly and went back to lilo when I couldn't get the vga option > to work; so I know very little about it. > > set gfxpayload=keep will tell Grub2 to hand off the graphics settings to the kernel, which if configured properly will carry them forward. There are some other settings to tweak as well, insmod vbe and whatnot in the appropriate file, but that's about the gist of it. The nice thing is it makes for very smooth transitions when switching from terminal to x, as the display settings (if correctly configured) are already applied, thus, no ugly flashing of the screen and delay. Best, Arthur
Re: popping laptop speakers
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Nima Azarbayjany wrote: > Hi there, > > I've got an annoying problem with my laptop which is a Pavilion dv5. I > have the latest kernel 2.6.32. > > The problem is that at reboot the speakers make a loud noise which I fear > may damage hardware. This problem existed with somewhat older kernels and > it was worse. There used to be sounds generated also at suspend. I don't > know whether this should be reported as a bug and if so where it should go. > I thought here is the most relevant place so I posted to this list. I have > attached the output of lspci and lsmod to this email but I don't know how to > get you more data (such as probably logs). I know this is not enough. So > please help me. > > These threads show that already so many people are having such a problem: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/23984 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/352540/+activity > > I also experience this with Debian Squeeze on intel hda audio hardware. It's never really bothered me and I'm not concerned that it will do any damage. I can tell you what I would try if I was concerned: I'd begin by disabling ALSA from starting at boot. Once I get to a console I'd initialize ALSA using /etc/init.d/alsa start or some varient thereof. Assuming this experient localized the problem to alsa's initialization, I'd then experiment with muting all channels and stopping, then starting alsa. These two or three steps wouldn't solve the problem, but they'd at least give me a direction to start looking in. Best, Arthur
Network-manager applet with multiple users
It seems that whomever logs in first on the gnome-desktop, user1, user2 or user3 has exclusive control of network manager, even though I'd like all three to be able to control it. Is there a workaround for this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinb-440z+y8exa-yjzcklny8z=dpzlh6iylk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Network-manager applet with multiple users
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Arthur Machlas wrote: > It seems that whomever logs in first on the gnome-desktop, user1, > user2 or user3 has exclusive control of network manager, even though > I'd like all three to be able to control it. > > Is there a workaround for this? Just to respond to my own thread about this, I'm not married to using network-manager, though I like the application. It occurs to me that wpa_supplicant in roaming mode with wpa_gui as the interface might be an option as "workaround", and so might wicd, though I've no experience with wicd myself so that's just a guess. Opions, thoughts, links etal all most welcome. best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimvwyhxjehoxv+vvzeudmaeqfb1xpts-68li...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Network-manager applet with multiple users
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 22. 12. 2010 20:55:14 je Arthur Machlas napisal(a): >> >> It seems that whomever logs in first on the gnome-desktop, user1, >> user2 or user3 has exclusive control of network manager, even though >> I'd like all three to be able to control it. > > This must be on Squeeze, right? Because on my Lenny systems, all users have > control. Well, it's actually SID, and when it was squeeze I didn't have multiple users configured, so I can't be certain about that. I don't think it's a bug, because I'm fairly certain there's been some nm-dev discussions about how to implement this. Which is why I am surprised to hear that this is how it currently works for you on Lenny. So, just to be clear, if you log in to your gnome desktop as user 1, then switch users, not logging out the first one, user2 has the nm-applet in their panel and can change networks, and when you switch back to user 1, they still have the applet and are now connected to the new network? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikjwifgqbyrdloylxa4fcakvaaznudd0eobh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Nautilus and/or ext4 killed three folders!
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Borden Rhodes wrote: >> I'm not quite sure how to debug or report this one which is why I'm >> mentioning it here. I was moving to a new hard drive and copying >> /home/ files from my old hard drive to my new one. I opened Nautilus >> and was dragging and dropping folders to my new hard drive when I >> selected three such folders and mid-dragging, they disappeared! After >> a few searches, there is definitely no trace of them whatsoever either >> on my old drive or my new drive. > > What was the name of one of the folders that dissapeared? What > searches did you execute? > Bah, sorry for the direct reply Borden. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=5gu6et85ynek3xdaspesoztyyxb6+jgpuh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > If the Apache configuration needs DNS to start, Apache silently > and without logging anything fails to start in Squeeze. This > used to work correctly under the old startup mechanism in Lenny. Create a new group in /etc/insserv.conf, and name the scripts that are required to start. Then list that group as a required start. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=_6xe9bfwnx47du3r6qqo2mlf_qncbbcf0r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Hi, > > I am not developer of insserve ... > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 01:37:48AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote: >> On Wed December 29 2010 00:13:04 Camaleón wrote: > ... >> Thanks for looking into this. I still fail to see why saving half a >> second a year on server booting is worth inflecting days of drudgery >> on tens of thousands of sysadmins. >> >> So yet again, why is Debian forcing this horrible change? The old >> sysv-rc is not hard to support alongside file-rc. Why abuse the power >> of Debian dependencies to push this bad idea on sysadmins who don't >> want it? Why can't we keep the excellent debugged working reliable >> sysv-rc from Lenny? If some people want to use insserv let them, but >> don't force people to go through this nonsense! >> >> insserv simply throws away all the hard work by Debian Developers over >> many many years that went into tuning the default rc2.d/Snn priorities. > > As I recall, even with old boot system, boot order default was always > hotly disputed topc among package maintainer. This ordering default > choice is independent issue from moving to dependancy based boot > suystem. Moving such default took good amount of package script. > I think dependancy based boot system made this a bit more > complicated for some case but made easy for some other case. > > Quite franky, complaining here does not make situation better. If you > find some issue to the package such as Documentation etc., please file > bug with constructive proposal. > > Thank you, > I think he has found some issues, and listed them quite clearly a few posts up. I also don't think he wants to get involved in bug squashing the insserv system, he seems to want to go back to Snn Knn which seems like an entirely reasonable request. I'll be interested to see if its possible. AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinoxyfnkszhwzrej_oe97q-c0ppn_icakb4=...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: > It's not my fault that you don't know how to debug a non-booting service > nor that you don't know how "insserv" and "sys-rc" works. It's neither my > fault that you don't want to help your distribution to correct the lacks > you are finding in documentation. And of course is not my fault that you > can't even understand what I wrote. > > Grow up! Dear Cam, You're delusional about OP and acting like a massive douchebag. Oh, and you're a last-word-troll too. So I highly doubt that will be your "last message... on the matter". Kind regards, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=gae+nyoau5j1bkwerwuf+aaetn1g39b3am...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > On Thu December 30 2010 16:24:19 Tom H wrote: >> As an aside, you refer to the pre-insserv setup as "Snn/Knn startup >> mechanism" but insserv doesn't deviate from that style. insserv >> creates the Snn/Knn symlinks dynamically in an order determined by a >> set of dependencies. pre-insserv the symlinks' order was set >> statically by the maintainers. > > That's a good point Tom. insserv is not even properly parallel, > just some kind of ha...@$$ed semi-parallel - starting groups of > services in parallel but the groups are run serially. I'd like > to call the old mechanism "sysv-rc" but the insserv developer has > abused the Debian package upgrade process to turn "sysv-rc" into > insserv hell. > > We're trying to figure out the cleanest way to stop insserv from > throwing away all the Snn/Knn information that Debian Developers > have created over the years. Then we'll attempt to reset the > Snn/Knn to those sane values. > > My first thought was a loop over "update-rc.d $script defaults" but > that no longer seems to work. Still looking for a clean remedy. > Hopefully there's a nice on-off switch in there somewhere. I'm > mostly working on some other projects now but I hope to be able to > work on this full-time in a few days. > > --Mike Bird http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=608437 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin6sf=utsbbx1ytjrccdgstp79-p2gex=o55...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> >> We're trying to figure out the cleanest way to stop insserv from >> throwing away all the Snn/Knn information that Debian Developers >> have created over the years. Then we'll attempt to reset the >> Snn/Knn to those sane values. Have you considered file-rc? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikl2qqexfx+oihj5nzidqcekj2kp8arqvp9v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Mike Bird wrote: >> But then they abuse the Debian packaging system by "requiring" >> instead of "recommending" unnecessary packages so that people are >> forced to use their silly hacks. > > The new APT default is that Recommends are the same as Requires and so > a lot of unnecessary packages are now installed. Those should now be > pushed into Suggests. > > Bob This post is pretty much entirely OT, but let's not start the New Year with innaccurate information. Recommends are NOT the same as Requires. What's happened - as of Lenny I thought, but perhaps Squeeze - is that the option to "install recommends automatically" is now turned on by default instead of off by default. You are, of course, free to change it back to off before building up your minimal/customized install. As for all the talk of losing years of wisdom and bug squashing and what-not, I'm not really sure that's the case, but a debate about the worthiness of insserv as a successor to all the Snn Knn links is probably better suited to another thread, perhaps one where more dev's hang out than here on user. In any event, if you hope to convince people of that, I think calling DD's "Script kiddies", especially one who just resolved the bug you noted and I reported within about 12 hrs, probably won't leave them too open to taking your position seriously. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik_gd1fc2npuv2vkl153vbozmixuobrucs=v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: firewall package for laptop wi-fi client
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On Ter, 04 Jan 2011, Brian wrote: >>> >>> Because anyone nearby with a laptop can sniff the traffic, unlike with a >>> regular cabled internet connection or a password protected wireless >>> network (in which traffic in encrypted)? >> >> For internet banking/shopping over https (which would be the norm) it >> wouldn't give them anything of value, would it? > > Only the URLs of what you visit. But many sites still don't use https even > for login. (Shame on them...) Or use https for login and later go back to > http, using cookies in a way that it is easy for others to hijack the > session, as the article mentions. I recall reading, maybe on Debian planet, a post about a guy who was running wireshark while on an open cafe network, and found that even though he was using https Bank of America was transmitting the password in clear text. Or something. I can't find it again, does that ring any bells for anyone? The point, if I remember, was that one your personal protected network you are protecting yourself and being protected. So both have to fail for you to be compromised. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimgpnkkjrhfsy4ezzfv08vxoss8xuhghqlxc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: being up to date (Was: insserv + apache2 + bind9 = pain)
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > On Wed January 5 2011 13:37:59 Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >> > mgb-deb...@yosemite.net : >> > The issue is that insserv throws away >> > years of work by Debian Developers, >> >> That is not always bad. >> Computers have improved during the last years, why not their OSes? >> >> compiz, upstart, lxc,... are "modern" tools for modern use :-) > > Change can be good or bad. > > Hardware and software improvements are generally beneficial. > > Throwing away years of DD work and thereby causing innumerable > previously rock-solid Debian servers to fail to boot is not. You keep asserting that 'years of DD work have been thrown away'. You do realise the ordering is still there, right? It's now in the LSB headers rather than the scripts numbering scheme. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=qovrujlaffnrkvwwt6ywpbt8ppmgr0vtdr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hidden Wireless WPA2-PERSONAL AES-CCMP trouble
> Hi, Hi > I am in a hidden wireless network with this settings: If you have control of this network, change it from hidden to visible. First, because it provides no security benefits, and second because "the 802.11i specification amendment (which defines WPA2, discussed later) even states that a computer can refuse to communicate with an access point that doesn't broadcast its SSID." [1] It's entirely possible that Windows connects and Debian/Ubuntu don't because they implement this specification properly, while Windows ignores it and allows you the false sense of security that comes from connecting to a "hidden" network. Note, I said 'possible', not 'certainly'. > - SSID: ABCDE5-FGHI > - Status: Hidden > - Autentication: Wpa2 - personal > - Encryption: AES - CCMP > - Password: 626C7F365F403572706F66 > - DHCP There is no need to post the password, and if it's the correct one then I'd suggest you change it. Your email could be enough to find your location. And the information in signature would help a bit as well. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinui3sj89cwtt5ehnerj-+p_qbmlxke5ddry...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Hidden Wireless WPA2-PERSONAL AES-CCMP trouble
> If you have control of this network, change it from hidden to visible. > First, because it provides no security benefits, and second because > "the 802.11i specification amendment (which defines WPA2, discussed > later) even states that a computer can refuse to communicate with an > access point that doesn't broadcast its SSID." [1] > Forgot the link: http://blogs.technet.com/b/steriley/archive/2007/10/16/myth-vs-reality-wireless-ssids.aspx -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktindernu_d_trky41jgrcgnigyh0q-23tsqcx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re: Hidden Wireless WPA2-PERSONAL AES-CCMP trouble
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Marcelo Laia wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have access to the access point to change from > hidden to visible. > > So, or I connect to, or I don't use the net on my debian box! > > Any clue? No. But perhaps a troubleshooting option. I'd try two things: 1) Install wicd and see if it can connect, sometimes it can do things that Network Manager chokes on 2) use wpa_supplicant to manually connect /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant has examples for most common types of wpa2 connections. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikyk7jucpvh6qr1-avffoepneylbjulpg4zg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Anyone else having problems installing Squeeze Stable on AMD64?
No. No problems using the AMD64 DVD1. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=4xg3Df8UH=y-dbumdftggvoxp9hvr6u4cu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Firware drivers?
That cd with firmware isn't obviously useful, in that, I installed via DVD 1 and when prompted to insert additional discs it was unable to read from it. If I wanted to go around my friends and family house and upgrade their computers, I'd have to basically integrate all firmwares into a custom dvd using scripts above in order to ensure being able to get everything up and running without network access? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=7avr9e9kjvfqn+ubykc_xrcxrno4qvrdgz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: stable-updates versus volatile
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:50 AM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <20110209093337.ga13...@furie.org.uk>, Tom Furie wrote: >>On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 09:20:04PM -0800, Mark wrote: >>> Thank you, Rob. This is very very helpful. In step 2, you not only >>> changed "lenny" to "squeeze" but also "debian-volatile" to >>> "squeeze-updates" in the following lines? Or did you do something else? >>> Sorry for the extra question, this is not documented in Release Notes. >>> >>> deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main >>> deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main >> >>Yes it is. Specifically section 2.1.8. Stable-updates replaces the >>functionality previously provided by volatile. > > I think the implication was that the release notes doesn't tell you how to > edit the lines that refer to volatile. > > If your volatile line look like this: > deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main > change it to: > deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian squeeze-updates main > > You can change "cdn.debian.net" to your favorite Debian mirror. Thanks! I was getting error messages and hadn't gotten around to looking into it. I didn't really read the release notes looking for information about the sources list. I kind of assumed the installer would set them up properly. Doesn't make sense for a clean install of Debian 6 to put invalid repositories in your sources.list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTikonpsY=ox2pzjvhwurd0xcp_mlbmdeb1-1-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: stable-updates versus volatile
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mi, 09 feb 11, 20:13:06, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> SNIP >> would set them up properly. Doesn't make sense for a clean install of >> Debian 6 to put invalid repositories in your sources.list > > If this the final version of the installer adds squeeze-volatile to your > sources.list you should report it. Yeah, DVD 1 for AMD64 final release. I'll report it later today then. PS. Apologies to Boyd for the accidental off list reply. I think I'll setup this account on evolution + imap to have a bit easier control on the reply to list type stuff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=bo2f11_4bsdlx2mreizzchrw8yvcpkzi8p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian way of compiling a kernel.
Ughn.. think google just discarded my post instead of sending. Don't want to retype; but here's the link: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTikwHint7Z5tS82Pkk=+f3p-ec6dbeg0nkgpq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sandboxie like application for Debian? [Possible Threadjack]
> YMMV, I currently only use schroot to run the 32-bit (only) ICAClient for > work. I tried to set up the same client and noticed it needed all kinds of 32bit libraries and was considering my options. Any link or sketched outline about the steps you took to do this? If you are inclined to respond, and feel it's unrelated to OP's question, you can message me off list. AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=y7am5c4raszchl7vcyxu+vc3hgf1s2gnni...@mail.gmail.com
Boot without initrd when using full-disk encryption
I've built kernels without an initrd a number of times, but never before on a system with full-desk encryption. When installing Squeeze on a laptop I used the assisted setup and created a ful-disk encryption setup, that has a separate /boot partition, the rest of the disk LVM and whatever encryption type is standard. Now that I'm tweaking my kernel, I'm wondering if there are any special extra steps to be concerned about, beyond merely building in the modules for LVM and luks or what-not. Google is being uncooperative, so I turn here for help instead. Many thanks, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTim8hH5SrW8YarUArVE+NfyLRtjjF4JB_CHF=b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sandboxie like application for Debian? [Possible Threadjack]
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Monday 14 February 2011 11:59:08 Arthur Machlas wrote: >> > YMMV, I currently only use schroot to run the 32-bit (only) ICAClient for >> > work. >> >> I tried to set up the same client and noticed it needed all kinds of >> 32bit libraries and was considering my options. Any link or sketched >> outline about the steps you took to do this? > > Install schroot and debootstrap. Create a new logical volume, probably need > to be about 2G or so. Create your favorite file system on that new volume. > Debootstrap. Unmount. Drop a file with something like this: > > > I'd probably be willing to provide the patch to use /usr/share/ca-certificates > instead of it's own directory, but the software is proprietary so I can't. > Replacing /usr/lib/ICAClient/keystore/cacerts with a symlink to /usr/share/ca- > certificates/mozilla probably works in most cases, and could be done without > access to the source, but I couldn't distribute the .deb even if I made such a > change. > > HTH, If that's not detailed enough, I can do a step-by-step with exact > commands and expected output on my blog tomorrow evening and post a link. Thanks. That's more than enough to go on. I've just to decide whether to go this route or just add to a 32bit XP guest OS I've got running sometimes for Rosetta stone and Excel. The excel is just there for work, so it makes sense to put the work email icaclient in there too. Downside is I'd have to grant the VM net access. :( Thanks for coles notes though! It will make a decision possible now. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=dt0lpwxxmzwl88q5u3zr3dti07g2fedmyt...@mail.gmail.com
How can I change the order of init scripts?
Greetings list, I have created a simple init script to apply custom vid values to my cpus via the phc_intel module, which -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimo_31vgzsm_i9ltqmt1ccoir1axc6azzsfw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How can I change the order of init scripts?
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: > Greetings list, > > I have created a simple init script to apply custom vid values to my > cpus via the phc_intel module, which > Sorry about that, I just discovered there is a keyboard shortcut to send an email in gmail. To continue, I've got a custom script which requires that the acpi_cpufreq module is loaded before it can start succesfully. I've tried adding some headers in the script to say that it dependson acpi_cpufreq, in the hope that insserv would magically re-order things for me, but either my header info is wrong or else I did not call insserv properly after making changes. In /etc/rc2.d there is: S01phc_vids however it depends on S02loadcpufreq also rc.local is not being called last, but concurrently with several other scripts What I want is S01phc_vids to be S03, and S04rc.local to be S10rc.local so that it is the last thing launched. Of course, I need this changed in run levels 2,3,4,5 as well. I tried simply renaming them, but insserv just puts them all back to how it likes after a short time. Here is the header of my custom init script: ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: phc_vids #Required-Start: $loadcpufreq #Required-Stop: # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: Applies custom vids values via patched acpi_cpufreq module ### END INIT INFO So, how to change numbering so that it persists? Thanks in advance for any tips / advice -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimkxk7xcvq-otyhqlzqc70luq1noilqwmjqb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Acer Aspire One wireless issue
>On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Alexander Batischev wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 11:36:18AM -0700, ABSDoug wrote: >> I do know I want to stick with "stable" Debian >> > In my opinion, there's no need to do so. Squeeze is close to freeze, soon it > will became stable. You better run it. Personally I run it on my EeePC and > have > (almost) no problems. Advantage of running testing is newer drivers. Also you > would not need backports. > Agreed. For your netbook Squeeze is the best route. If it makes you feel better though, aside from the fact that Squeeze will be stable in the next 6 months or so (crosses fingers), your old Ubuntu friend is a snapshot of Unstable with some patches and bugfixes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikz0krsnhtijqgpcartzh3sqzx2f1_u-2dnr...@mail.gmail.com
Ordering init scripts & use of CONCURRENCY
First, regarding my earlier email, which I cannot reply to directly (apologies), as it has been downloaded off of gmail, I *think* I've gotten the ordering to work correctly. I changed my lsb header in the custom script (/etc/init.d/phc_vids) to: # Require-start: $acpi Then under /etc/insserv.conf I added the following line: $acpi +cpufrequtils +loadcpufreq Then ran: dpkg-reconfigure insserv And the warning messages were gone about not being able to apply custom vids because the cpufreq directories hadn't been created yet. Also, checking the status using: /etc/init.d/phc_vids status Showed the correct values had been applied. All well and good. Unfortunately, I don't really understand what I've done. I was following the directions from the Debian LSB/insserv wiki, where I learned it is no longer possible to disable/uninstall insserv on Squeeze, so the tips I'd read on manually re-ordering the scripts by changing the numbers would no longer work. E.g., this doesn't work, or at least, not for long: $ mv /etc/rc2.d/S01phc_vids /etc/rc2.d/S03phc_vids Second, there are two ways, or so it seems, to enable concurrent boot. I.e., starting scripts in parallel. One method says to use CONCURRENCY=shell, and the other says CONCURRENCY=startpar This is under /etc/default/rcS Which is correct or do both do the same thing? Many thanks, Arthur -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktincc8ltnonjeo_xc10_fnqgspwocqq3u6geo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Ordering init scripts & use of CONCURRENCY
>On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> On 2010-06-09 16:48 +0200, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> >> Then ran: >> dpkg-reconfigure insserv > > This is a no-op in Squeeze, you want to run the "insserv" command so > that the order of the symlinks in rc?.d is changed to reflect the > changed dependencies. > You're right. I ran insserv and the numbering changed as appropriate. Previously both loadcpufreq and phc_vids were s02, I guess I just got lucky in that loadcpufreq was done before phc_vids, but now I shouldn't have to worry about getting lucky on reboot. That sounds vaguely innapropriate, but I hope you get the meaning. >> >> Second, there are two ways, or so it seems, to enable concurrent boot. >> I.e., starting scripts in parallel. > > Concurrent boot is the default nowadays. > >> One method says to use >> CONCURRENCY=shell, and the other says CONCURRENCY=startpar > > Both are obsolete aliases for CONCURRENCY=makefile (the default). > So should I just delete my CONCURRENCY addition to the /etc/defaul/rcS file and it will return to default, or should I switch it to makefile? Thanks for the informative reply. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimq3suar1fiuxzh-huobhpj11hmgyn0wv3wg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Ordering init scripts & use of CONCURRENCY
> So should I just delete my CONCURRENCY addition to the /etc/defaul/rcS > file and it will return to default, or should I switch it to makefile? Nevermind. I just removed the line and can see in my bootlogs that runelevel S and 2 both use "makefile-syle concurrent boot" Cheers, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktily-rrx5prodossmug9sxx53igwrhun9c1br...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian-multimedia.org gone?
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Jordan Metzmeier wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > If someone needs a work-around, a friend on IRC found that this German > mirror is still up: http://debian-multimedia.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/ > It's always struck me as a bit crazy that such an integral part of the debian experience is provided by a one (or two?) ma(e)n (or woma(e)n) crew. I'm talking to you w32codecs and libdvdcss. Yeah.. you know what you did (do). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilr1g8dn747syeastxdc-wx3piojyhporq5e...@mail.gmail.com
Req. Advice from Lazy Web on Configuring 1.5TB extern. HD
Greetings, I just purchased a 1.5 WD sata II HD and enclosure connected via USB after an unfortunate incident involve rm -rf, something called "home" and a bicycle. It's purpose will be two-fold: As a back-up device for two laptops (HD sizes 500GB and 120GB), and as a central storage device for movies, videos and music I don't like. One laptop is Windows, one is Debian Squeeze. I'd like a few partitions on it... 1) ext2 to image / from my debian install. 50GB so I could have two or three "snapshots" 2) ext4 encrypted for my /home/arthur/documents folder as backup 3) ntfs? encrypted for girlfriends "my documents/documents" folder. 4) 700GB for backups of pictures from both Debian and XP.. filesystem ... ntfs? 5) 700GB for movies, which would be served (via Debian) to a ps3, not backups, primary storage. Ntfs? Thoughts are that unison might be appropriate here, also LVM for resizing if needed... But I'm looking for opinions, problems with plan, better suggestions or just links to good articles on the subject. Many thanks, Arthur -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktiku01wycr8bwfxmrobfxk1kmnybousnq9ncq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Understanding my recurrent network connectivity problems
What's the point of the switch in your setup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkting9j_ddfimq5ehoejn76rlaf-zg5xmf-hbp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Understanding my recurrent network connectivity problems
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Arthur Machlas wrote: > What's the point of the switch in your setup? > Silly me, sent before I was done pontificating. Also wanted to add that you should check your router for the latest firmware updates, most residential routers are rushed out the door fugees style (ready or not, here I come), and then receive some firmware updates to take care of the inevitable problems that early adopters discover. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinnsqyjh85vephqi-0llnt6deiupfn47_nba...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Understanding my recurrent network connectivity problems
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:53:09 -0400 > vr wrote: > >> On 6/25/2010 3:27 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote: >> > Might be that, but how could my ISP guess that I'm using a router? >> > >> >> The first few characters of a MAC address are registered to a company. > > True, but many companies make both routers and regular NICs. Is there > any way to tell from the MAC whether we're dealing with, say, a Linksys > router as opposed to one of their NICs? > My ISP provided me with a "router" / modem, however the router is of the extremely handicapped variety. Thus, I had to go into the interface of the router/modem and tell it to act only as a gateway. The only device that ever connects to that gateway is my linksys router, so the ISP should have no way of telling how many devices are actually connected to the router. At this point my best guess is that the OP has at least five, perhaps more devices connected to one crappy little residential router, and it is understandably not at all happy with the situation, so it is flaking out. Maybe it's time to start perhaps some resource limits on your connected devices via the router interface, or else tweak your Debian system to not overhwelem the darned thing by lowering the maximum number of simul requests, etc. /guessing Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin_mstxv9_zfaskohjfnbzmzgcovcbyvouxr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Req. Advice from Lazy Web on Configuring 1.5TB extern. HD
>> 1) ext2 to image / from my debian install. 50GB so I could have two or >> three "snapshots" > > Why ext2? I don't see any reason to use something less than ext3 for > "regular" operations. > Ext2 because who needs journaling? It will have three, maybe four files on it, each about 10GB. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anything else out there is as fast as ext2, when it comes to writing large files. >> 2) ext4 encrypted for my /home/arthur/documents folder as backup Thanks for tips about encfs. >> 3) ntfs? encrypted for girlfriends "my documents/documents" folder. >> 4) 700GB for backups of pictures from both Debian and XP.. filesystem ... >> ntfs? >> 5) 700GB for movies, which would be served (via Debian) to a ps3, not >> backups, primary storage. Ntfs? > > You only need ntfs if you expect the drive to be *directly* connected to > a Windows computer or some other device that doesn't understand extX > filesystems. If the drive will only be connected to a Debian machine and > the partitions accessed via samba the Windows computers doesn't access > the filesystem. Appreciate the feedback, Best, AM > Regards, > Andrei > -- > Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJMJ4SDAAoJEHNWs3jeoi3pC8MH/2yC0Oz13kq4FxIqVgFP+Rzc > ssVyQT3Fee3sgY2Eyqx/KXY1Tvrul0gGn/XORsJHzlY0fIfIVPh6Nksbq8QKuleq > EHWzeLPffXjSCW4HLMzcgUlZdAmwDqrNypPDJ9sz3C0ianF7IwNnaGb2QFY4kWe1 > u3AdEBSrZfftEEmxUoMfQgZu+dTNqRQo746K6p4fUS2nRSHGNiw5SBQX05IqsiIF > GXCo24aqsUi+WjzvxhctRH7p024BpYaZ9oz5F7br/raSyro4QkXJQfZ3b+pWIn5f > B3T54hF1q+SW5434CN40SxwwPe0taI9UNxbTkKjNbgGaO0X0u1V8yWi2hQhxzKw= > =90xQ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim3zw31_dhzrrcef33qzwc-all7voivtnsv5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: iceweasel doesn't open research.microsoft.com
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 29 June 2010 17:30:42 Joey Hess wrote: >> sasha mal wrote: >> > The bug exists, the iceweasel package maintainer is lazy and refuses to >> > handle it. >> >> No, iceweael's maintainer has applied basic debugging logic and >> deduced that the problem is somewhere in your network connection. >> >> You have, in turn, repeatedly called him "lazy"[1] and refused to provide >> the wireshark traces he asked for, which would allow further debugging >> *your* network problem. Surely it shouln't take more than an hour or so >> for an intelligent, non-lazy being such as yourself to figure out how to >> install and use wireshark? > > The fact that the rest of us have no problem surely lends credence to the idea > that the problem is local to the OP. And abuse is not the best way to get > people to help! (The OP, not Joey.) > > Lisi I took the time to read through the bug report, and am amazed at the amount of patience and courtesy shown to OP. Another user chimed in with the wireshark advice and actually found a problem and a workable solution, that OP never bothered to try. Instead, just kept re-opening bug and called maintainer lazy. Despite the insults, the harassment, and constant re-opening, Bug Owner kept calm and polite. Kudos to him. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinkofyxvrgiqppooul7nvsbydkv71hcgdk81...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Install stalls at 5% (at least for 3 hours, don't know if it suffices to designate this state as `stall')
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Hi, > > I'm installating Debian Lenny on an old P2 350 Mhz to make a server. > > tried a first Debian install, which stalled at 5%. I then re-tried, and > here I am: stuck at 5% for a long time (~3 hours). I did not mess > anything with the parameters, and this is not at all my first Debian > install. I don't understand why this happens. Can't recall exactly where you can switch to the output, but hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, F3, F4 to see what's going on. I think it's on F4. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimxxwyf9ge5kes3quo0jsgqx7x3qgounjomj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: First Debian Installation: totally brain-dead. Where do I go from here?
> On Vi, 02 iul 10, 00:49:53, Keith Mitchell wrote: >> I decided to build a Linux box instead of emulating Linux using >> VM-Ware under Windows. I heard Debian was the way to go. I have >> created Red-Hat and Ubuntu Linux boxes in the past with no problems. Who did you hear this from? Irrelevant, they are wrong. Debian is not always the way to go. If you heard "sometimes Debian is the best way to go", then I would agree with that. >> This, my very first Debian installation, and it has been a total >> nightmare! You have two choices to "wake up" from this nightmare: Take the blue pill, install RedHat, Ubuntu or use Windows. You wake up and believe whatever you want to believe about Debain. Or take the red pill, with a glass of humility, and see how far down the rabbit hole goes. >> I then followed the instructions on the web-site for installing Debian >> with internet connectivity. Provide link. >> The web instructions said burn a minimal CD, and download what you >> need from the internet. >> >> 1. I downloaded the .iso file, and burnt a bootable-CD (not DVD). >> 2. I used that CD and installed Debian. I now have a minimal and >> totally brain-dead Linux installation. Unlike many other distros, Debian does not ship with a brain as it expects the user to provide one. >> 3. There is no gcc compiler. There is no Firefox web browser. What is installed depends on how you installed it. If the instructions you read really did only say what you quoted, then they are not very good instructions. You should provide a link so that we might provide you with alternate instructions. Also Debian does not have "Firefox", it has "Iceweasel". >> 4. I went back to the Debian web-site for instructions on how to >> proceed from here. There were no instructions for how to proceed from >> here. Even MinGW on Windows has a minimal Linux working set. How do I >> download a file working-set without requesting each file one by one? During installation there is something called tasksel. You check a box that says "desktop" and it installs some sensible things. >> 5. Right now it seems my only option is using Gatesware Windows to >> download an Ubuntu distribution, a distribution that does work, use >> the .iso file to create a CD or DVD, and blow away the Debian crap >> that does not work. It appears you thought of at least one other option before considering that one, which unfortunately involved this mailing list. >> >> Any suggestions before I blow Debian away? Blow away Ahab, blow it all away. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Keith. Anytime, Arthur -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin5u_l2vl_gklccyuahst2bkc2uwzhcdfy2s...@mail.gmail.com
Signing Email Messages
I just recently setup encrypted mail for my personal mail account, using icedove and enigmail. I'm curious about a general feature of "signing" the email. Why can't I just copy the "signature" portion of the email, which many people on this list attach to their posts, and paste it at the bottom of a fake email? Appreciate any comments or links you may have. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimh0bgcsixx9g-y5xsv9id3lqg-f8m5akxww...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Signing Email Messages
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:52:47 -0500 > Arthur Machlas wrote: > >> I just recently setup encrypted mail for my personal mail account, >> using icedove and enigmail. I'm curious about a general feature of >> "signing" the email. Why can't I just copy the "signature" portion of >> the email, which many people on this list attach to their posts, and >> paste it at the bottom of a fake email? Appreciate any comments or >> links you may have. > > Look at the signatures carefully. Each one, even from the same signer, > is different, and depends on the exact contents of the message. The > whole point of a signature is that if one is improperly attached to a > message, it won't match, and the mail reader or other client will > notice this. > > Celejar Make abundant sense. And I assume they'd need my public key to verify the signature? Thanks Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinfft_3nrlckkojkhhxhk4hvdq3pw9jk3jx4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to automaticaly turn off touchpad using xinput
> The problem is that sometimes the xinput id of the touchpad differs and having > it in .xinputrc sometimes turned off the track point and sometimes even the > keyboard which really hinders its usability. Is there some automatic way to do > this in a secure fasion like using the name returned by input layer and used > by xinput? > > Also after resume/suspend the touchpad is enabled again and I have to manualy > turn it off. Haven't tried this in a while, as I'm using synclient now to do the job, but used to do what you're talking about by removing the psmouse module. If rmmod psmouse turns off your touchpad, and leaves the usb mice working, perhaps that would be a simple solution, with blacklist module, or rmmod script called by rc.local and a sleep.d hook assuming pm-utils. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinbszeqxsn-ednpyyureefnukr1ey8yhnxs7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: installing debian 5 on dell inspiron 580s
> I just got a new dell 580s with windows 7 and I3-530 processor. I > partitioned the drive within windows and proceeded to install debian using > the latest x86 net disk (I burnt the latest 150M ISO to a CD for the > installation). Everythng goes fine except that it fails to detect the > ethernet adapter. I'm then prompted to pick a driver from a long list. Can't help much with your current situation, however since you said "any help" I will offer a couple thoughts: 1) On very new hardware like your shiny new laptop, you may have a better experience using Squeeze, Debian's current "Testing" distro which is actually quite stable right now and only a few months away from freeze. 2) As you realized a netinst disc without a network connection isn't very useful. CD or DVD 1 would be a much better option for you, though with Broadcom you're still likely to encounter problems that may or may-not be alleviated by using a kernel from backports or by simply using Squeeze (see pt.1). Typing "Broadcom 57788" into www.google.com/linux (the linux google search engine) turns up some similar reports of problems getting the native linux drivers to work. E.g., https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/bugme-new/2010-June/025009.html It may be you need to use something called ndsiwrapper, and a windows driver until such time as you can resolve the native linux driver issues, or else focus on getting the wireless to work (if that's an option for you) and forget the ethernet completely for the time being. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimwc9dhbukdp3zal4f70odgh-_8mxnmm6hof...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [info] grub2
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Tom H wrote: > There is now an official grub2 manual: > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html Great news! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikry8kgkf55iwt6qamgbfzclciir-8bzqdur...@mail.gmail.com
Cannot edit "categories" for contacts in Evolution 2.30.2
greetings, Using squeeze, with gnome and evolution 2.30.2, and trying to customize the categories list, no changes can be made to the default categories list. For example, I create a new contact, called "John", then click categories. I delete every category but favorites and anniverssaries. Then I check those two categories, and create a new one called friends. The friends category doesn't show up and can't be checked. I say ok to save my changes so far, re-open the categories, and all the categories I've deleted are restored. I thought maybe this was a permision problem, so I tried: chown -R arthur:arthur /home/arthur but this did not help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinhxur-yw88rjdythmly32vsglq1cx14zj_7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Getting my init-script to run at the correct time
Forgot to include this info: Squeeze is parallel by default as well now. I know this because I'm running it. :) It also has insserv installed by default, which handles the ordering of scripts, so manually changing the number will work for a short time, if at all, and be overwritten by any updates to insserv, or basically anytime insserv is called, for example when insalled or removing scripts from /etc/init.d To get it to run at the correct time you need to include some lsb headers in the inti script, then create a new level in insserv.conf. And there is a typo in my original post, insserv.con should be conf. On 7/15/10, Arthur Machlas wrote: > On 7/11/10, Bob Proulx wrote: >> Thue Janus Kristensen wrote: >>> I am having trouble getting it to run at the right place in the shutdown >>> sequence. It used to work, but recently stopped working for no apparent >>> reason. > ## Changes to init script > # Required start: > # Required stop: $custom > > ## Add to insserv.con > $custom script1 script2 script3 > > With script# being scripts that are started under /etc/init.d > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik4wh1aemfdmbzlrc3alsrjokjdlkhuu32rp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Getting my init-script to run at the correct time
On 7/11/10, Bob Proulx wrote: > Thue Janus Kristensen wrote: >> I am having trouble getting it to run at the right place in the shutdown >> sequence. It used to work, but recently stopped working for no apparent >> reason. ## Changes to init script # Required start: # Required stop: $custom ## Add to insserv.con $custom script1 script2 script3 With script# being scripts that are started under /etc/init.d -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimbpmcw4wziubdwqsytatdv3cc4dobvhpstb...@mail.gmail.com
Intel Atom N450 & Kernel Config Options re: SMP
Greetings, According to the spec sheet on the Atom N450 it has a single core, though it does support two threads. However, linuxinfo (replaces cpuinfo I suppose) says two unknown processors. r...@hpm210:/home/arthur/Misc/Linux/2.6.34-1# linuxinfo Linux HPm210 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:59:47 UTC 2010 Two Intel Unknown 1666MHz processors, 6650.42 total bogomips, 1011M RAM Strangely, that's not the correct amount of ram in the system. r...@hpm210:/home/arthur/Misc/Linux/2.6.34-1# free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 2014 1377636 0 6 1186 -/+ buffers/cache:184 1830 Swap: 1972 0 1971 Anyway, as you can see from the current directory, the reason I'm asking about the number of cpu's cores in the atom n450 is that I'm rolling my own kernel hoping a newer version will be able to get the freq down to 800mhz same as windows, currently reporting that it can only go as low as 1000. Also want to optimize for the atom processor and build in all modules needed for hardware. The Linux Kernel in a Nutshell book has got me pretty far, but I can't solve this cpu thing and hoping someone can weigh in with some friendly advice. The help in kernel config says things will run better if I don't enable smp on a single cpu system. Hence, the question to you, lazyweb, with much appreciation in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik2fgupzc7tm+o30hy2mcfo8vd7cixkp+blg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Intel Atom N450 & Kernel Config Options re: SMP
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Arthur Machlas put forth on 7/28/2010 11:14 PM: > In "make menuconfig": > > These last two are probably the reason for the "unknown", especially given > you're running 2.6.34 which has all the CPU models currently on the market. Probably just a problem with linuxinfo, which I'd never heard of before, but installed when cpuinfo was not found and aptitude suggested linuxinfo provided it. In any event, cat /proc/cpuinfo shows all the right information. You can't.. or rather, I can't select SMT support without first checking SMP support. > In "Power management and ACPI options" > > You'll have to figure out all the other menu config settings on your own, as > most of us kernel monkeys have. ;) These are simply the ones that directly > relate to your questions. > > Hope this helped get you closer. Somewhat. All those were pretty much done already. Greg KM's Kernel In A Nutshell book is quite comprehensive and let me build an initrd-less kernel in one try. Things are running nicely, but the problem I hoped to resolve hasn't been. Namely, the lowest frequency my cpu can reach is 1Ghz... instead of the 800Mhz that it reaches on windows and in the spec sheets. Advice on how to proceed from here is greatly appreciated. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikyvdn-by2wlo6pddyhzaosiucgkzagkqjg0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: insserv: Starting 'something' depends on stop-bootlogd and therefore on system facility $all
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:49 AM, hugo vanwoerkom wrote: > Mitchell Laks wrote: >> Hi i have a script in /etc/init.d/ctnscript >> with a symlink >> in /etc/rc2.d/S99ctnscript >> when i tried to install gpm then i got a series of errors >> insserv: Starting ctnscript depends on stop-bootlogd and therefore on >> system facility `$all' which can not be true! >> repeated over and over >> now clearly something has started scanning /etc/init.d for private scripts >> and it does not like this script and it borks my apt-get. >> i removed it from there and and all worked. >> i would like to leave it there. >> What to do? >> I also now have warnings from inserv about other scripts such as >> inserv: warning: script 'S54whatever' missing LSB tags and overrides. >> how to fix that? Post the contents of your script, and of innserv.conf. Regards, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktindc0zhb=_kn2gaf-lgkkmcfz-3xxosfv_r_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installing Squeeze i386
Experienced something similar a week or so ago with a weekly build I think it was. A DVD of squeeze. It couldn't detect hard-disks. Daily netinst worked fine. Meh, broken installers in testing isn't really news, or surprising, is it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikvleze_pd3qs9-amisesac0efijb7v1mecg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Intel Atom N450 & Kernel Config Options re: SMP
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Arthur Machlas put forth on 7/29/2010 12:01 PM: > >> Things are running nicely, but the problem I hoped >> to resolve hasn't been. Namely, the lowest frequency my cpu can reach >> is 1Ghz... instead of the 800Mhz that it reaches on windows and in the >> spec sheets. >> >> Advice on how to proceed from here is greatly appreciated. > > I led you to the well but it's up to you to drink Arthur. You didn't read the > help screens. All the frequency info you need is there. It is the key to you > succeeding at this. You may have to experiment some, but that's a requirement > when rolling one's own kernels. Welcome to the club. It's rarely "easy". ;) > Asking on here isn't my first attempt at figuring things out. My kernel config work is based on Greg KM's book "The Linux Kernel In A Nutshell". So, not only have I read the help screens, but I've also read a pretty decent book by one of the kernel's prime maintainers. I should have been more clear about the advice I was hoping for, since there is nothing wrong with my kernel config, I was looking for advice about how to go about further debugging this issue of not having full frequency range. I wanted to give fixing it a solid try before filing a bug against the kernel itself. > BTW, I'm curious as to your motivations for this. Is this basically a > "Windows can do 800MHz, so $deity dammit, Linux should be able to do it as > well!" thing? Not as such. More like a my processor is supposed to scale from 800Mhz to 1.6Ghz, and its strange that it doesn't. I wonder why. > In practical terms Arthur, you will not notice a meaningful > difference in thermal output or current draw (battery consumption) between > 800MHz and 1GHz with the n450. The n450 has a TDP of 5.5 watts at 1.66GHz. > Thus you won't even save 1 watt going from 1GHz to 800MHz in power save mode. > It'll be something like 300 milliwatts or less. This exercise of yours is > futile if your goal is a _practical_ difference in system operation. I suppose that will have to count as advice on how to proceed, but I hope you'll forgive me if I continue to search for an answer. Your comments are reassuring to me though, that it isn't a serious problem, and I do thank you for that. At this point, I'm thinking it's a problem with the kernel or a problem with my bios, and I think there are some kernel command line parameters I can use to test the latter in Greg's book. Best wishes, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik4hxnhdffabujjjnpiaksp-b0emrvl3p157...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Intel Atom N450 & Kernel Config Options re: SMP
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Christian Jaeger wrote: > How do you read the possible cpu frequencies? > > Your kernel needs cpufreq support and ondemand, powersave, etc. > governors; check with > cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies > cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors > cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor > > Although with some hardware AFAIK other drivers than cpufreq are used, > I don't know for Atom. > Hi Chris, Available frequencies are taken from /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/freq/available_scaling_frequencies, in addition powertop shows the same information. Governors are all compiled into the kernel, and switching between them by echoing "conservative" or "ondemand" to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/freq/current_scaling_governor works. I haven't tried user space yet, because I don't have any userspace tools installed right now to change cpufreq. I'll remedy that this weekend and see if it makes any difference. Currently I'm using the acpi_cpufreq built into the kernel, however a few other intel related ones like p4 and even those marked as deprecated are built as modules. Appreciate the input, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinwxfwgrmvp+bghixqf8owqgprhrs3d3xt=b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: No Consoles???
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Vi, 06 aug 10, 14:07:43, John W Foster wrote: >> Just got my new AMD 64 bit system to working well. Still have an issue >> with NO CONSOLES using F1 F2 etc. I really miss this ability using >> testing dist. I am VERY used to using a console screen to manage my >> system. Something has disabled thosr consoles. Any tips to correct are >> appreciated. > > What do you get if you run 'chvt 1' as root? > /etc/inittab looks good, what about the contents of /etc/default/console-setup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimq9g8gqea0+0yydzpq40ceykx0rwvhhicu1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: building 2.6.35
> If you've looked at my kernel building web page, > http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm, you will see that I > don't cover this. That's because I don't use it when I build my > own custom kernels. I do use it when building a "regular" > Debian package, but for some reason I've never bothered with it for > creating my own custom kernels. I just log in as root and forget > about it. For some people, this seems to be a "religious" issue. > But I never bother with it. I just login as root and forget about it. > So many of the steps require root authority (real root authority) > that it's simpler for me just to stay root the whole time. > If I ever get burned by it, I'll probably change my lazy ways. > But I've never had a problem with it. > > To each his own. Live and let live. Etc. A less religious explanation, from Greg Kroah-Hartman, author of The Linux Kernel in a Nutshell, and well-known kernel hacker. "This warning is the most important thing to remember while working through the steps in this book. Everything in this book—downloading the kernel source code, uncompressing it, configuring the kernel, and building it—should be done as a normal user on the machine. Only the two or three commands it takes to install a new kernel should be done as the superuser (root). There have been bugs in the kernel build process in the past, causing some special files in the /dev directory to be deleted if the user had superuser permissions while building the Linux kernel.* There are also issues that can easily arise when uncompressing the Linux kernel with superuser rights, as some of the files in the kernel source package will not end up with the proper permissions and will cause build errors later. * This took quite a while to fix, as none of the primary kernel developers build kernels as root, so they did not suffer from the bug. A number of weeks went by before it was finally determined that the act of building the kernel was the problem. A number of kernel developers half-jokingly suggested that the bug remain in, to help prevent anyone from building the kernel as root, but calmer heads prevailed and the bug in the build system was fixed." - Linux Kernel in a Nutshell, p. 4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik1npu8sgoebqabbu4g23b-5al_ouh4xtfo=...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Evolution Backup ??
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Tixy wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 15:44 -0500, John W Foster wrote: >> Anyone know the best way to completely back up Evolutions files mail, >> contacts etc. There does not seem to be a way built in. Will gladly be >> proven wrong. I, lost all my files 2 times in the last few years & its a >> PITA. > > Isn't that what "Backup Settings" in the "File" menu does? > On debian at least, this is a plugin. Not sure what package its in. Don't think this is built into evolution itself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimwuchtu74e78zwzjbbtrces3hsbl-pzmazd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: building 2.6.35
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:33:12 -0400 (EDT), Bob Proulx wrote: >> Then log out. At login you will be set to those additional groups. >> With those in place you can work as yourself in those areas. Safer >> than using root since as yourself you can't smash anything in the >> system directories /etc or /bin or /var or other system locations. >> This makes installing local software through 'make install' much safer >> and more contained when not done as root. If one were to crawl out of >> /usr/local for example you would see the failure. If you were running >> as root then you would not. Isn't there a risk in granting user access to src, adm, and such if ever your user account is compromised? My uninformed opinion is that it's a question of relative risk; the 'risk' involved in building kernels as root, versus the risk involved in giving access to these dirs and tools should your account become compromised. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikqrfh+fg3zvs3qynpmfieskpzes0j-sw_t=...@mail.gmail.com
Re: building 2.6.35
> The latest version of my kernel building web page, revised yesterday > (http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm), recommends unpacking, > configuring, and compiling the kernel from its default location > as a non-root user which is a member of group src. It can be the > system administrator's non-superuser self or an id created > specifically for kernel building that is enrolled in group src, > at the administrator's discretion. I have tested the procedure, > and it works. That's my current recommendation. Obviously, you > are entitled to disagree if you like. It's a pretty great document Stephen, and I don't think I mentioned earlier that it was my first and authoritative reference when first starting to build kernels, for exactly the reason you noted, much documentation is out-of-date or not debian specific. So thanks for that, belatedly. One thing I think is missing, that I had to discover myself, and perhaps is related to the OPs question, is that sometimes you need the headers and even the source for the custom kernels, e.g., Virtualbox from upstream. In which case, adding kernel_headers and/or kernel_source to the make-kpkg build line is a noteworthy item, since it will build debs' and take care of installing them correctly without linking back to the build directory when searching for source. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikefal 6oacqw9j_pe03fqr6wgyeymmkru...@mail.gmail.com
Re: building 2.6.35
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Angus Hedger wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:27:50 -0400 (EDT), Arthur Machlas wrote: > The only issues I ran into when building headers via make-kpkg where as > follows, > > Make sure you use the same "-append-to-version -stuff-here" line as > you do when building your kernel, or they wont match up and it wont > find the k-headers. > > And, I have found that the packages made by make-kpkg are setting the > wrong "/lib/modules//build" symlink, pointing it to my > the dir where i build the kernel rather than the correct > /usr/src/ dir. > > (I think i need to bug report the 2nd, but I don't know if its > something I am doing wrong). > > This is the line i used to build my last load of headers, > > # make-kpkg kernel_headers --append-to-version -2.6.35amd64-bfq-iowait -j3 > You can just put them all on the same line, i.e., make-kpkg --append-to-version -2.635amd64_custom kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source I don't use the -j3 switch, and I don't think that -j3 switch works like you think it does when using make-kpkg, at least, not if that's meant to utilize multiple processors when building. I'm at work right so this is all from memory, but I think the correct way to do it is to do export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 where the number you provide is 1 + the number of processors you have. So if you have a duo-core, it's 3. If a single processor it would be two. And so forth. I seem to recall something in the make-kpkg documentation saying not to use the -j switch. Hopefully someone will correct me or provide more authoritative sources than this sorry excuse for a memory I have. As for your sources bug being symlinked incorrectly, I think I can confirm, however it hasn't negatively affected anything. Things still build properly against the headers / sources on custom kernels even when the build directory in my home dir is removed. But yes, I'm pretty sure I've seen warnings about it not being able to find sources in /home/arthur/linux/kernel/2.6.35/, though they are just strange warnings and I haven't bothered looking into it further since everything seems to still work fine. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=rbhqn7uskda3lf1g67yqpqs2cquvwumgw8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: building 2.6.35
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Angus Hedger wrote: > Hey! > >> I don't use the -j3 switch, and I don't think that -j3 switch works >> like you think it does when using make-kpkg, at least, not if that's >> meant to utilize multiple processors when building. I'm at work right >> so this is all from memory, but I think the correct way to do it is to >> do >> >> export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 >> >> where the number you provide is 1 + the number of processors you have. >> So if you have a duo-core, it's 3. If a single processor it would be >> two. And so forth. I seem to recall something in the make-kpkg >> documentation saying not to use the -j switch. > > As far as i know, -j3 sets that option just for this instance of > make-kpkg, I think i got it off the man page! > > Oh here we go: > > man kpkg > > --jobs number > -j number Set the environment variable CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to > "number". > > I have a quad but use -j3 as I have to run other cpu heavy tasks while > compiling and that stops my whole computer from slowing right down! > And thanks for that authoritative clarification! Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik+objypzh2euuutkbk1stxogconu70vq+f9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sid: Packages held back during upgrade
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 01:57:01AM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: >> On 8/30/2010 1:05 AM, Joel Roth wrote: >> >I just did an apt-get upgrade. Hundreds of packages >> >were held back. > > [snip] > >> apt-get dist-upgrade Aptitude equivilant is ... aptitude full-upgrade? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=arhnmk0o_u_ve2ezj7csxahuwcdrwhle+=...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Stable, light-weighted, lighting-fast and actively-developed WM
>> > The reason being, on my laptop, the >> > >> > - Fn-F4 key suspend >> > - lid close >> > lid close is dealt with by the acpi-support package AFAIRemeber, gonna have to look into it myself tonight since I just switched to openbox. xfce's powermanagement is a mess. with fluxbox you don't need any "keys" program beyond what flux already provides and xev. Run xev (part of xorg-utils I think) and press function and f4, key code is output. Install sudo, and give yourself the ability to run sudo without password for the following command only "sudo pm-suspend", bind it to the keycode using fluxkeys. I've used that setting with great success, plus it's nice to know what's happening when you press f4 to sleep, rather than relying on gnome magic, don't you think? Oh and you'll have to specifiy the full path when adding the command to your alias in sudo, using visudo of course. I'll be doing this myself tonight probably, so I'll post again with more detailed instructions if you don't feel like googling around based on these hints. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinzsjd7pmp6lttqh39qv41iodntcu=hkcion...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New kernel-building web page with Nvidia example
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > I welcome > further review and feedback, especially from those who wanted an Nvidia > example. Is this the kind of thing you were looking for? Or did I miss > the mark? Under Introduction: "...recommendation was *make* for simplicity's sake, not for philosophical reasons." Should be "made". Under Step 3, you recommend "aptitude full-upgrade", but "aptitude safe-upgrade" might be preferable for stable systems (i.e., Lenny or soon Squeeze). safe-upgrade will "install candidate version of installed packages without removing any other packages " while full-upgrade will "install candidate version of installed packages while removing other packages if needed" [1] Just a thought, since I suspect this document will be something of a defacto standard referred to by many. "That's like buying Maxwell House to get a cup of coffee" ... I lol'd. But seriously, this whole history section on make-kpkg versus official debian maintainer scripts is very interesting reading. Under Customizing the Lenny Environment: "When installing a kernel image package created by make-kpkg, one will be created if the --initrd option was specified on the make-kpkg command line when the kernel image package was created" I'm going to be building again tonight, but IIRC this didn't work for me. That is, I did not specify the --initrd option on the make-kpkg command, yet one was still created. I mistakenly then tried to change the make-kpkg.conf to "do_initrd = no", and it's nice to finally understand why that didn't work either. Anywho, I'll be going through it in more detail tonight or tomorrow when I build new kernel from upstream, but all in all it looks like a major revision and a significant contribution to the community. Thanks much for this information! Best, AM [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikpztbv5-wewondkubagm+aczhxhwgvn1vah...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Distributed Debian Distribution Development
I'm glad this was cross posted otherwise I would've missed it. Even if there are technical hurdles it's an exciting idea and I'm looking forward to reading the devel mailing list for follow-ups. The point about eating your own dog food is well made i thought, though whether there is any interest in moving this forward duing a squeeze freeze will be interesting to see. Hopefully this also makes it into the debian news to give it some more reach for discussion. Personally though, as much as I find the idea interesting, I won't be having a torrent application running all the time to assist with the project. Nor would I want to get mail through torrent, or a wiki... I guess us "users" will have a better idea how such things can look once diaspora is alpha released in October - November or so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimkfn2hn+gzaixn8nyqebz0mvr4s9jzlapus...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
The thing of it is, this doesn't sound like a Debian problem/question. And most every suggestion is given with that in mind. So if you wanted to see if it was a Debian problem, then you'd do things like try it in another VM. Of course, this isn't possible for whatever reason - doesn't matter - therefore we must rely on best guess. And best guess would seem to be its a problem with VPC. You may get lucky and find someone on this list has had the exact same problem and solved it, but it's far more likely that you'll get assistance from the VPC people for this, either their forums or mailing list or irc channel. Maybe this has already been explained though, I haven't followed the entire thread. Regards, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktim=cl4dksqroldqv-t0e-m03eifvhvxkvbjs...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 9/20/2010 11:29 AM, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> >> The thing of it is, this doesn't sound like a Debian problem/question. >> And most every suggestion is given with that in mind. So if you wanted >> to see if it was a Debian problem, then you'd do things like try it in >> another VM. Of course, this isn't possible for whatever reason - >> doesn't matter - therefore we must rely on best guess. And best guess >> would seem to be its a problem with VPC. >> >> You may get lucky and find someone on this list has had the exact same >> problem and solved it, but it's far more likely that you'll get >> assistance from the VPC people for this, either their forums or >> mailing list or irc channel. >> >> Maybe this has already been explained though, I haven't followed the >> entire thread. >> >> Regards, >> AM >> >> > > The VPC people won't help - they don't support non-MS OS's. And I'm not > necessarily looking for someone who has had the problem before, but some > clues as to how to find the problem. > > As I said - I am a Debian noob, but I am not a noob to programming or > computers. I just don't know the code or debugging aids available to me > here. > Please reply to list. It's a mistake I've often made, but is generally frowned upon. As for the code or debugging aids available, the answer is simple; none at all. I'm sure I've seen this mentioned already though, and the 'blame' for this lies with Microsoft for going closed source, or whoever in your organization made the decision to use it. Regardless, I think your only realistic option at this point is to abandon running a Virtualized Debian. Perhaps you'll have greater success with some other distro, Red-Hat, Cent-Os come to mind. Kind regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=jows_5jreaege7v=k_cf-wjapjdwfwpxdq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ps - Illegal Instruction
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 20/09/10 10:15, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> This is a new install of Lenny on Windows 7 Virtual PC. I basically > Perhaps some of the links off this link might be useful > http://blogs.msdn.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=linux§ions=4122 Nice links. Basically says Enterprise versions of Linux are supported, Red Hat and Suse. Debian is not listed as supported. AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikg0bfvjqwc=h2wlpimqe-wrgyjnsn9gwgnc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Mainline kernel source curiosity
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Curt Howland wrote: > Hi. Up to date Squeeze, compiling the latest 2.6.36-rc4 kernel. > > Last time the problem was compiling the kernel at all, which is > working just fine now thank you Debian-User. > > fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -curt1.0 --initrd kernel_image > My guess is you need to build the header at least, and perhaps the source. It depends on how you're building the modules I suppose. In any case, you'll have to run either fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -curt1.0 kernel_headers fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -curt1.0 kernel_image And install the debs. Alternatively, build both just to be safe fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -curt1.0 kernel_headers kernel_image -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikjm7_zjg48lafvuqa0omvac_lmggazsvhbj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: directly install RH packages using rpm instead of alien
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:16 PM, T o n g wrote: > However, I'm wondering if it OK to install RH packages directly using rpm > instead of going through alien convention. > Do you have any similar experiences? Yes, one time my girlfriend put diesel into our gasoline powered car. I didn't think this was possible, but she managed to find a way. Regardless of whether you can or cannot do the same with your car, I would advise against it. The results were not pretty. Best, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinvsvfp1fk+bil-it899ssb7ynfymez5ppnj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: gdm3 exclude certain usernames
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 22 September 2010 08:33:41 Scott Ferguson wrote: >> Which remembers me > > Scott, > > That's not fair. :-( > > Lisi Yes, to which I would add that even though Scott's command of the English language is far superior, or so I am given to understand, as the only people I know who use such phrases as "I am given to understand" are scholars or pretentious or both, however the OP can take solace in the fact that he was able to more clearly communicate his meaning, despite his apparent disadvantage to the learned scholar Scott, whose "mouse house" comments remain a mystery to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin6kges8n1wndc+h1qvrthc7m0_2mzz=crw4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: What pm-utils depends
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:10 AM, T o n g wrote: > On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:25:58 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> Huh? AFAIK, pm-utils never depended on HAL; it used to recommend it, >> but it does not do this anymore. > > "pm-utils is the new suspend and powerstate setting framework. It is > usually used by HAL to execute the various hacks. . . Both pm-suspend and > pm-hibernate are usually called from HAL, initiated by desktop applets as > gnome-power-manager or kpowersave... " That says that HAL can use the pm-utils package. Not that pm-utils depends on HAL. Systems without HAL installed can use other mechanisms to call pm-utils, like acpi, udisks, udev, etc. > "A key package for Lenny's power management is HAL (hal)which watches for > ACPI events. . . The package pm-utils is a package of power management > software. It stands between HAL and actually suspending the system..." > > So, what's the latest update on this? That is referring to Gnome's power management on Lenny. It uses acpi, pm-utils and hal. Squeeze may or may not do the same, I'm not sure. But again, that says nothing about pm-utils needing HAL to work. Merely that HAL is the mechanism used to watch for ACPI events, but others are available to do that job as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinux755a6gauf9s6m=ugv8pca2hfx7gj5uce...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Goldshtein > wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Javier Vasquez >> wrote: >>... >> >> If you have couple of minutes, would you, please, to expand your >> comments about a system without desktop environment? Targeting a >> laptop. > > In both the laptops I manage: > > 1.- Dell Inspiron 600M (my dad's). > 2.- Compaq 8510w (from work). > > I don't have a desktop environment such as kde, gnome, xfce, or any > other. In my dad's I call startfluxbox from ~/.xsession, and have xdm > installed and working, that's it. > > For the one from work, as I'm the only one using it, I don't even have > a session loader installed, to start X I just call startx, and again, > I just call startfluxbox from ~/.xsession. > > I've lived that way for so long that I don't like bloated (my opinion, > not to start a discussion) desktop environments... Things might > change, but I still feel confortable this way... > >> Is that enough to install a base system, bootloader, then reboot, > > I don't know what a base system is. For squeeze (I had recently to > install it in other boxes, also without desktop environment) the first > thing I did was to change the configuration that by default now sets > APT to always install "recommended packages": > > % cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends > APT::Install-Recommends "false"; > > That I did through the installation process, since with "recommends" > there's a lot of unnecessary (according to me) software installed. > Then I didn't install anything else than the minimum required. The > default coming from squeeze might do. Then I start installing the > applications I want, including power management, fluxbox, X, alsa > stuff, etc... Without using tasksel, since most of such tasks are not > good for me. I always install build-essential, and some additional > compilation stuff, plus other applications for office, web browsing > etc. > > This is my approach, doesn't mean you have to follow though. BTW, I > use aptitude in ncurses mode to install, and select/unselect some > dependencies... > >> install "acpi" packages you have mentioned, xorg and then a window >> manager? >> Is there dependences on 'xorg', which allow a proper xorg installation? > > There's a package Xorg which automatically triggers lots of > dependencies such as xserver-xorg. I do install more stuff. I don't > like xserver-xorg-*-all, I go and unselect them, and instead select > just the input devices, video devices etc that I need. I don't like > installing everything. Then I also shoot for several fonts not > automatically selected by Xorg, like TTFs, and terminus (the one I use > for console and X terminals)... > >> Please, correct me, I am sure I have missed a lot of useful system >> components. Like xscreensaver, for example. > > Xorg was having lots of problems with memory management with > Xscreensaver on the Dell inspiron laptop. There's a reported and > unfixed bug about it, so I completely dropped xscreensaver. I use > instead a combination of: > > xlockmore > xautolock > > I think that provides all I need in terms of screen saving. And more > now that I'm trying to play green a bit, :-) So I just have blank > screen to minimize power consuption, :-) > > Please notice that what works for one, doesn't mean works for > everyone. A lot of people is happy with desktop environments, so it > might be they work OK for you... > > -- > Javier. Lots of useful info in there Javier. Also worth mentioning, though it doesn't seem you use it, is laptop-mode-tools. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikp8zg0b4zuvqvmx-lvi0gays-pqtaiy3=gn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: To enable the power management mechanism
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Javier Vasquez wrote: >> Lots of useful info in there Javier. Also worth mentioning, though it >> doesn't seem you use it, is laptop-mode-tools. > > I did include it in the ones I have installed, :-) The original list > had it with some words as well, so I thought it was not necessary to > make additional comments... See this was my list: Ah, my mistake. > When you install it, I don't remember if hdparm and sdparm are > automatically triggered as dependencies, but then if not it's pretty > good idea to have them installed, so that laptop-mode can play with > the HDs speeds... It can handle as well CPU frequency, but I prefer > cpufreqd for that purpose. By default in debian laptop-mode doesn't > handle CPU frequency, so it coexists pretty well with cpufreqd in > debian... > They are both recommends, and depending on whether you have a modern sata, thus scsi to the kernel, or older ide drive, you just need either sdparm or hdparm respectively. At least, I only install sdparm and things seem to work well on my sata drive. YMMV. I have never installed cpufreqd, or at least, not intentionally. I install cpufrequtils, which sets one governor on boot, however if you wish to switch between different governors based on whether you are on ac or battery, laptopmode can switch that for you. But perhaps I am misinformed and cpufrequtils is just another daemon like cpufreqd... or maybe I am badly misinformed and they are the same thing. In either case, it's almost a certainty that I'm misinformed. ;) > One can do several configurations with laptop-mode-tools, cpufreqd, > and several other power saving stuff. They should also work out of > the box (that has been my experience), but if one doesn't have desktop > environment, one must agree with the idea of doing some tweaks to > configuration files if necessary, :-)... The last time I setup laptopmode-tools under squeeze it is disabled by default and does nothing. You need to edit its conf file in /etc/deault/laptoop mode and set it to be enabled at boot. And then yes, there are a great many things to play with, however I've mainly just used it for spindowns of hd's. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikeapbwqz+ext5raoycuz+18=povzcemsttr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Provide the default GNOME theme in gnome-core please
>>> FYI, the request has been rejected with >>> >>> - I don’t think it is worth splitting. - need a better rationale >>> - WTF is that debian-user Cc? >>> >>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598448 >> >> Mmm, it hasn't been rejected (at least by now). DD asks you a reason for >> achieve the change... >> >>> So I plead anyone who don't like junks in your system please follow up >>> to 598...@bugs.debian.org, and try to convince the DD. >> >> Ugh, convince developers is a hard (and consuming) task :-P >> >> Anyway, I'll add my comments to the bug (time permitting), but have no >> expectations at all. > Although I disagree with your bug report, and think the DD is right on this one, if you insist on pressing your case I would make an argument along the lines of "A default icon theme is included as part of the gnome-core package, however no gtk theme is included." It's a losing argument IMHO, but at least it's an argument. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik_rgxr+2keqw43pekbzq=vxs_fdk4oogrjz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Postgrad research tools - any recommendations
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, James Allsopp wrote: > Instead of Word and Endnotes, use Latex and bibtex, bit of a learning > curve, but much better results, > James I'd recommend iceweasel with the zotero extension, and openoffice with the zotero plugin. There is always R for your statistical needs, but SPSS, or rather PSAS or PSTHS or something, whatever they call themselves these days, they have an linux package available for the same great price of $2000 dollars or so to do things that excel can do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinrmuckglo1zn3-gtuktqwrydn3hekxxlxvx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Behavior of aptitude and autoremoving
>> I'm struggling to understand the autoremoval behavior of aptitude >> 0.6.3. Let's say I have a virtual package A provided by A1 and AFAIK, it gets autoremoved it it was automatically installed AND if there are no other packages on the system that depend AND/OR recommend it, depending on your preferences. Otherwise it gets left on there. Does aptitude purge ~c get rid of them though? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik2ps6s4pvkdcwu3ywvlkk1amlu0lkzlv5ey...@mail.gmail.com
Re: WiFi: nm-applet, nm-editor, replace NetworkManager
2010/10/12 Stanisław Findeisen : > 3. This is not the first time I am having problems with NetworkManager > here on Debian, so I think I will get rid of it. The question is how to > switch between available WiFi connections without NetworkManager. > > For instance I could store network connection parameters unencrypted in > /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf (-rw---, root:root). How to make WPA > Supplicant select the network I want? wpa_supplicant in roaming mode might be suitable. /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant has everything you need. Coles notes: 1. copy the example configuration to /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf 2. Define your networks in wpa_supplicant.conf as described in example file and /usr/share/doc 2b. Use network definition order, and priority keyword to have preferred assocation 3. Add defined networks to /etc/network/interfaces 4. restart network (I do a reboot to make sure everything is restarted. 5. (optional) install wpa_gui to manage from the desktop. I find it's buggy, but unless you're running conky, it's a good way to see what you're connected to, and switch it if it happens to grab the wrong one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikd-hwvybis19pfhgjnu_2r_top9ogvde4do...@mail.gmail.com
Re: WiFi: nm-applet, nm-editor, replace NetworkManager
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Wolodja Wentland wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 22:48 +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: >> It works perfectly with eduroam and > Let me elaborate on the eduroam configuration. > > For eduroam you choose "PEAP with TKIP/MSCHAPV2 > > Identity: u...@host.tld > Password: YourPassword > > You should also obtain the "GTE Cybertrust Global Root certificate" and > save it to (for example) /etc/wpa_supplicant/cert/gte_cybertrust_root.crt > > You might also want to refer to your university's documentation, which > might provide further details. > > Good luck > -- I only used wicd for a short time, but my understanding was that it supported anything that wpa_supplicant does. Thing is, you have to write your own profile/template, which requires an understanding of how to do it in wpa_supplicant, and then how to modify it as a wicd template. At that point I gave up and said why learn it twice? The wicd forums can probably give you a more definitive answer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin8ax_2kbmdadka3ysek-w5pq8v_+8i7f1tv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
For those wanting to "lighten up" the gnome desktop, alt+f2, gconf-editor, ctrl+f the following: low_resource (enable) workarounds (disable) animation (disable all that come up) The difference between xfce and gnome, for me is negligible, and losing a decent screensaver, gdm and powermanager not worth it. Once you install gnome-screensaver, you may as well just install gnome as it pulls in about 60% of the core components anyway. For those who want a light-de, LXDE is taking over from XFCE. On the other hand, when Jack Bauer visited Tony at his home to ask for help, his computer was running XFCE. So it's got some "cool" factor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinxktg0bs__qh30pwz338l_z2z0fmgef0xhf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Wed October 13 2010, Arthur Machlas wrote: >> For those wanting to "lighten up" the gnome desktop, alt+f2, >> gconf-editor, ctrl+f the following: >> >> low_resource (enable) >> workarounds (disable) >> animation (disable all that come up) > > when I found those, the value on all said . > it didn't find any low_resource, and it found 2 workarounds: > /schema/apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds > /apps/metacity/general/disable_workarounds Sorry, was going from memory. It's "reduced_resources". And you never touch schema. Therefore, the /apps is the one you want. Oh and check 'include key name' when searching. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=aup-_dx4kicxm5n-6qqqb3xv14um1fsdb6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:18:12 -0500 > Arthur Machlas wrote: > > ... > >> The difference between xfce and gnome, for me is negligible, and >> losing a decent screensaver, gdm and powermanager not worth it. Once > > Never really used Gnome or its screensaver - what does it do that > Xscreensaver doesn't? And what does powermanager do that Xfce's > power manager doesn't? Gnome's screensaver can switch users, leave messages, unlock with fingerprint scanner, and as a bonus, doesn't look like its running on an Atari system from 1983. C'mon, update the icon already. Gnome's powermanager work for me. XFCE's doesn't. No idea why, or what magic they are employing. More substantively, not sure that XFCe can spin down hard drives. Is this a threadjack, or is this now a desktop war thread? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTi=uF8c6wKuggUVhWOkzx7h4A4soDF7uEu0oP:@mail.gmail.com
Re: KDE Question
> There is something to be said about stuff that puts functionality over form. > XFCE is likely to be more stable and safer than anything KDE or Gnome. 1. The two are not mutually exclusive. A!!Y being a good example, which gnome wins hands down over XFCE. 2. The biggest threat to a system, IMHO, tends to be the owner/user. Adding "complexity" that reduces the chances/opportunities for errors may be a good thing. 3. Given Red Hats deep involvement in gnome, I'd put my money on Gnome being "safer" than kde and xfce. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikrkocaahphueo6nnmeuh40xrqgx=zyyz7hv...@mail.gmail.com
Debian Squeeze Boot-up stalls waiting for dhcp to obtain address
Did a network install of Squeeze the other day, on a computer without wireless. Normally I remove everything but lo in /etc/network/interfaces, but after resume from suspend network-manager reported disabling device eth0 for reason 2, whatever that meant, and the only way to bring it back up was to reboot. It was gone from ifconfig! I found that adding eth0 back into /etc/network/interfaces prevented this strange disabling of hardware by network-manager when coming out of suspend, however, at boot now if the network cable isn't plugged in, as it sometimes isn't, the boot process will stalll as dhcp tries and tries and tries to obtain an ip address. Hoping someone can help move me along here a bit quicker at boot-up. Many thanks, AM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinpf6usg-8wsett99re1p+sltbbo1ww5hh4c...@mail.gmail.com
