Creating forlders in Gnome Shell 3.12 without Gnome Software

[filorin]

Hi there !

I spent too much time on the Internet to find how to create folders in
Gnome Shell. At the beginning, there was a simple methode, using the
gsettings option, by creating some folders with the name of categories
(appeared in GS 3.8). But, it seems that since Gnome Software exists,
and also since 3.12 that allows to create folders, this method is outdated.

I'd like to find a solution because Gnome Software will probably not be
included in Debian Jessie, and we should propose an other way to create
folders.

Did somebody find a solution to create and organise folders under Gnome
Shell ? (3.12 - 3.14 in Debian Jessie)

Regards,
filorin


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Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

[Curt]

On 2014-10-03, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org  
wrote:
>
>
> I like this one, because it makes me smile. I like pieces of softwares 
> with "play on words" (this translation sounds strange... is it the 
> correct one?)

It's the correct one (jeu de mots).

> Oh, and apart from that, for people (if there are some here) which 
> thinks that systemd's attempt to simplify daemon scripts is interesting, 

But as I pointed out long ago systemd itself is a play on words (le Système
D).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D

Donc, démerde-toi.

;-)


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Re: apt update problems

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 03 oct 14, 22:17:42, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
> On 10/03/2014 03:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >It's important you attach them since your mailer seems to be a little
> >bit too helpful in formating your mails and it's important to for us to
> >see the same files as apt sees them.
>
> I tried this earlier and apparently it didn't go through.  Here are the
> attached files.  I have an empty sources.list.d directory but there is
> nothing in it.  TY

Assuming your mailer didn't interfere (again) your sources.list is messed up.
Comments inline:

> # 
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2 
> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 
> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
> 
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 Update DVD 20140712: i386 DVD 1]/ wheezy 
> contrib main non-free

The cdrom entries are commented out, probably not a bad idea if you have good
internet connectivity.

> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates http://security.debian.org/ 
> wheezy/updates non-free deb-src contrib main
> deb-src ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
> wheezy/updates http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates non-free deb-src 
> contrib main

These two lines are messed up and you probably don't need deb-src line (do you
compile Debian packages?), so replace them with:

deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
 
(all in one line)

> # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
> # A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
> # are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
> # for your mirror of choice.
> #
> # deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main
> deb ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ wheezy-updates 
> contrib deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib 
> non-free
> deb-src ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
> wheezy-updates contrib deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates 
> main contrib non-free
> # deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free

Instead of trying to fix the above I suggest you just remove everything and add
these two lines:

deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free

(.net is not a typo)

The file sources.list.save you should completely ignore, it's probably 
some backup created by a program you used to change your sources.

Here's everything again, with some comments to explain what each line 
does:

---

# This is the security archive for the wheezy release. Every wheezy 
# system should have it and update/upgrade regularly from it.
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free

# This is the 'updates' archive, for packages that most probably will
# be included in the next point release and some special packages that
# need more frequent updates to be useful
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free

# This is the regular archive containing the packages of the latest
# Debian stable release (including all point releases).
deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free

---

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Andrei
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Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Tom Collins]

Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

On google searches debian pages still turn up like this:
Debian -- Mailing Lists - Debian -- The Universal Operating ...

When you go to the page "The Universal Operating System" part is gone.
A reflection of the problem with the scumbag debian developers
failing to explain how "The Universal Operating System" squares
with shoving syst__d, gn_me/gtk3, down our throats, and 
"depreciating" (as if they have the right to do that) many
programs that rely on gtk2 and non-syst__d.

Ofcourse they ban you from posting the mailing list on the 
first critical mention of systemd.
Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.

Give us back the debian packagers of an earlier age.


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(Video) Discussion on lennart poettering, syst__d, sysv

[Tom Collins]

Discussion on lennart poettering, syst__d, sysv:
youtu.be/2toVPMHRo8M


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Pieces placed in juxtaposition.

[Tom Collins]

Pieces placed in juxtaposition:

"Opensource is going mainstream in 2014" -RedHat CEO

Syst__d presents a large attack surface (where as there are few ways
to communicate with init etc), needlessly manages disc cryptography (amongst 
everything else,
normal inits never cared one way or the other),

"Obama Administration Argues For Backdoors In Personal Electronics" 
http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/10/01/186228/obama-administration-argues-for-backdoors-in-personal-electronics

(Think of the children, ignore privacy, and religious freedom (that ship set 
sail in Delaware 1870))
Attorney General Eric Holder called it is "worrisome" that tech companies are 
providing default encryption on consumer electronics, adding that locking 
authorities out of being able to access the contents of devices puts children 
at risk. \u201cIt is fully possible to permit law enforcement to do its job 
while still adequately protecting personal privacy,\u201d Holder said at a 
conference on child sexual abuse, according to a text of his prepared remarks. 
\u201cWhen a child is in danger, law enforcement needs to be able to take every 
legally available step to quickly find and protect the child and to stop those 
that abuse children. It is worrisome to see companies thwarting our ability to 
do so.\u201d


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Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

[Joel Rees]

2014/10/04 17:30 "Curt" :
>
> On 2014-10-03, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org <
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I like this one, because it makes me smile. I like pieces of softwares
> > with "play on words" (this translation sounds strange... is it the
> > correct one?)
>
> It's the correct one (jeu de mots).

also known as "pun".

> > Oh, and apart from that, for people (if there are some here) which
> > thinks that systemd's attempt to simplify daemon scripts is interesting,
>
> But as I pointed out long ago systemd itself is a play on words (le
Système
> D).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D

Ergo, calling themselves hackers.

> Donc, démerde-toi.
>
> ;-)

Hmm. Should that be translated to English as "So make do with yourself." or
"Manage yourself."  or "Hack yourself."?

:-/

Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
> Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.

This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory Smith" by 
another name?

Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.

Lisi


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Removing unwanted language files from texlive.

[Sharon Kimble]

I've installed texlive getting *everything* which also includes getting
many language files that I am never going to use, such as cjk [japanese
I think], etc. How do I go about removing them in a sane way please? Is
it as simple as `sudo apt-get remove texlive-lang-*', and then just
adding back those that I do actually want and need, please? Will this
autorun things like `mktexlsr' which seems to be needed a lot judging by
today’s tex update?

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Terence]

I'll second that!

Saki

On 4 October 2014 12:14, Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
> > Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
>
> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory Smith" by
> another name?
>
> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.
>
> Lisi
>
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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 04 oct 14, 12:14:41, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
> > Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
> 
> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory Smith" by 
> another name?
> 
> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.

You might want to (B)CC listmaster@ in such cases. Doing so now.

(for their info, this is about Msg-Id 
)

Kind regards,
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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 04/10/14 12:14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
>> Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
> 
> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory Smith" by 
> another name?
> 
> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.

It's probably best to just ignore/killfile these trolls, Lisi. They
revelin the attention they get.

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Trolling (was Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System")

[The Wanderer]

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On 10/04/2014 at 07:31 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

> On 04/10/14 12:14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
>> 
>>> Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
>> 
>> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory 
>> Smith" by another name?
>> 
>> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low
>> level.
> 
> It's probably best to just ignore/killfile these trolls, Lisi.
> They revelin the attention they get.

I don't think most of the people who post things like that are "trolls"
in the classic sense. I think it's more likely that most of them are
just very, very angry, or possibly just outraged, to the point that it
overrides both politeness and (at least to some degree) rationality.

Trolling, at least classically speaking, is about "posting to cause a
furor" - i.e., trying to get a rise out of the surrounding community
regardless of what you have to say in order to do it. A fair amount of
what sometimes gets called trolling nowadays doesn't really fit that
description, and I think it's unfortunate to label it the same way.

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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/4/2014 6:44 AM, Tom Collins  wrote:
> and "depreciating" (as if they have the right to do that) many 
> programs that rely on gtk2 and non-syst__d.


It is 'deprecating', not 'depreciating' (an accounting term).



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Re: apt update problems

[John Aten]

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On Oct 4, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Vi, 03 oct 14, 22:17:42, Maureen L Thomas wrote:
>> On 10/03/2014 03:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's important you attach them since your mailer seems to be a little
>>> bit too helpful in formating your mails and it's important to for us to
>>> see the same files as apt sees them.
>> 
>> I tried this earlier and apparently it didn't go through.  Here are the
>> attached files.  I have an empty sources.list.d directory but there is
>> nothing in it.  TY
> 
> Assuming your mailer didn't interfere (again) your sources.list is messed up.
> Comments inline:
> 
>> # 
>> 
>> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
>> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
>> 
>> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
>> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
>> 
>> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2 
>> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
>> 
>> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 
>> 20140712-13:02]/ wheezy contrib main
>> 
>> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.6.0 Update DVD 20140712: i386 DVD 1]/ wheezy 
>> contrib main non-free
> 
> The cdrom entries are commented out, probably not a bad idea if you have good
> internet connectivity.
> 
>> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates http://security.debian.org/ 
>> wheezy/updates non-free deb-src contrib main
>> deb-src ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
>> wheezy/updates http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates non-free deb-src 
>> contrib main
> 
> These two lines are messed up and you probably don't need deb-src line (do you
> compile Debian packages?), so replace them with:
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> (all in one line)
> 
>> # wheezy-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
>> # A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
>> # are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
>> # for your mirror of choice.
>> #
>> # deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
>> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy contrib non-free main
>> deb ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
>> wheezy-updates contrib deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates 
>> main contrib non-free
>> deb-src ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ 
>> wheezy-updates contrib deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates 
>> main contrib non-free
>> # deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
> 
> Instead of trying to fix the above I suggest you just remove everything and 
> add
> these two lines:
> 
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> 
> (.net is not a typo)
> 
> The file sources.list.save you should completely ignore, it's probably 
> some backup created by a program you used to change your sources.
> 
> Here's everything again, with some comments to explain what each line 
> does:
> 
> ---
> 
> # This is the security archive for the wheezy release. Every wheezy 
> # system should have it and update/upgrade regularly from it.
> deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> # This is the 'updates' archive, for packages that most probably will
> # be included in the next point release and some special packages that
> # need more frequent updates to be useful
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
> 
> # This is the regular archive containing the packages of the latest
> # Debian stable release (including all point releases).
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> 
> ---

I had a similar problem recently. Daxko on this list recommended installing 
netselect and netselect-apt, which will select the fastest mirror and generate 
a sources.list file for you. I don't think the syntax of mine was off, I 
believe I was attempting to use an outdated mirror. Anyhow, netselect-apt fixed 
the problem, and then some.
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Re: Removing unwanted language files from texlive.

[John Hasler]

You probably want to remove the texlive package (which pulls in most
texlive packages) and install texlive-lang-european .
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Re: How to install qt5 on Wheezy, and is that even a good idea?

[Andrei POPESCU]

[for the archives]

On Sb, 23 aug 14, 13:43:50, Mark Carroll wrote:
> 
> In my /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences I have,
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=stable
> Pin-Priority: 600

You are increasing priority of stable, from 500 to 600, why?

> and also,
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=testing
> Pin-Priority: 50
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release a=unstable
> Pin-Priority: 40
 
This will make both testing and unstable have a lower priority than 
installed packages. In practice this means you will *never* receive 
updates to packages you installed from testing or unstable. Not even
security updates.

If all one wants to do is install packages from testing on an otherwise 
stable system it's much simpler to use Default-Release in apt.conf:

// this sets 'stable' to priority 990
APT::Default-Release "stable";

If unstable has to be used (are you sure? packages should migrate to 
testing within days anyway) then yes, it makes sense to pin it to 
something lower than 100.

Beware though that the package will not be updated until testing has a 
higher version. This is especially important in case of security 
upgrades.

And don't forget, 'apt-cache policy' (with or without ) is your 
best friend when pinning.

Also, as a general remark, it's much better to use code-names 
everywhere, to avoid surprises whenever there is a release.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Jeff Bauer]

On 10/04/2014 08:44 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 10/4/2014 6:44 AM, Tom Collins  wrote:

and "depreciating" (as if they have the right to do that) many
programs that rely on gtk2 and non-syst__d.


It is 'deprecating', not 'depreciating' (an accounting term).





Either could be accurately used. To wit:


From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:

  deprecate
  v 1: express strong disapproval of; deplore
  2: belittle; "The teacher should not deprecate his student's
 efforts" [syn: {deprecate}, {depreciate}, {vilipend}]

 depreciate
  v 1: belittle; "The teacher should not deprecate his student's
   efforts" [syn: {deprecate}, {depreciate}, {vilipend}]
  2: lower the value of something; "The Fed depreciated the dollar
 once again" [ant: {appreciate}, {apprise}, {apprize}]
  3: lose in value; "The dollar depreciated again" [syn:
 {depreciate}, {undervalue}, {devaluate}, {devalue}] [ant:
 {appreciate}, {apprise}, {apprize}, {revalue}]


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Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

[lee]

"Karl E. Jorgensen"  writes:

> Hi
>
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> how can I create a LVM snapshot of a VM?
>> 
>> 
>> root@heimdall:~# lvcreate -L 4G -s /dev/mapper/vg_guests-lv_jarl -n 
>> lv_snap_jarl /dev/mapper/vg_mydata
>>   Physical Volume "/dev/mapper/vg_mydata" not found in Volume Group 
>> "vg_guests"
>> root@heimdall:~#
>> 
>> 
>> There is no free space in 'vg_guests'.  The only free space is in
>> 'vg_mydata'.
>
> That's a problem.  Snapshots must be in the same volume group - they
> are essentially copy-on-write (sort-of).
>
>> Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another
>> machine?
>
> No

Hm, ok, LVM sucks then.

>> Can I extend 'vg_guests', using the free space of 'vg_mydata'?
>
> Not directly. But you *can* merge the two volume groups - but that
> requires all of the logical volumes in the "old" volume group are
> inactive (i.e. unmounted and closed):
>
> E.g. to merge "oldvg" and "newvg" and end up with a new (larger) "newvg":
>
>lvchange -an oldvg
>vgmerge newvg oldvg

That would make the system disks and the data disks depend on each
other.  I'd like to keep them independent.

>> Or would I have to shrink 'vg_mydata' to have free space to be able
>> to extend 'vg_guests' to be able to create a snapshot?
>
> This is probably possible - depends on whether you can completely free
> up a PV.

Physical volumes are the logical volumes provided by the RAID
controller.  I could delete the data because I have a backup.  If I do
that, I might better run the disks as JBOD (if I can get that to work)
and use btrfs instead.  It wouldn't bring me closer to making backups of
the VMs, though.

> Note that a PV (physical volume) can only belong to *one* volume
> group.  So if you can "shave off" a PV from one volume group, then you
> can attach it to a different volume group instead.

Well, it's like this:


   |-- SATA 2TB --|
   |-- SATA 2TB   |--> LV RAID5 --> LVM: vg_mydata (84GB avail)
   |-- SATA 2TB --|
ServeRaid 8k---|
   |-- SAS 72GB --|
   |  |--> LV RAID1 --> dom0, LVM: vg_guests (full)
   |-- SAS 72GB --|


'vg_guests' is on its own partition.  That's IMHO a very reasonable
setup.  Only LVM is unreasonable in that it doesn't let me make
snapshots, which is one of the two reasons why I used it.  (The other
reason is that it makes it simple and efficient to provide volumes to
the guests which then can be partitioned from within the guests.)

I want to make snapshots of logical volumes in 'vg_guests' to create
backups, and they must go into a LVM-LV in 'vg_mydata' because there are
84GB available for this and no free space anywhere else.

That shouldn't be a problem at all.

Alternatively, I'd be fine with backing up the whole 'vg_guests' while
the guests are shut down.  I just want a backup of them which I can
restore from if I have to.

So could I somehow copy a whole LVM volume group?  This could be done
from dom0, and I could push the data over the network or put it into the
free space of 'vg_mydata'.  It would be very awkward, yet still better
than no backup at all.

I could back up the partition 'vg_guests' is on with dd, but perhaps
there is a better way?

> You can also resize PVs, but since this usually requires messing with
> partition tables and such things may require a reboot, this may not be
> suitable for your situation. 

A reboot would be possible, though I don't want to mess with partition
tables.  The server can be shut down for up to 4 days before I'd have a
problem.

>> I want to back up the VM without shutting it down.  If it can't
>> avoided, I could shut it down to take the backup.  In that case, how
>> would I copy the volume to get a useful backup file?
>> 
>> I think I wish I had used btrfs ...
>
> btrfs is good - if you are working with files.  When working with
> block devices, LVM rules.

In which way would LVM be better than btrfs?  I can't even make a
snapshot with LVM ...

> But... if you had set things up the analogous way with btrfs, you
> would still have the same problem, and you would be asking "Can I
> snapshot from one BTRFS file system into another BTRFS file system?"

Perhaps I would since I cannot reasonably combine 2TB disks and 72GB
disks in a RAID5 across all of them with btrfs, or can I?  Are you
saying I wouldn't be able to make a snapshot or to create a backup with
btrfs, either?

But then, since all disks are evenly sized, why shouldn't I be able to
create a RAID5 with btrfs across all of them (letting aside that I don't
want to mix them and that I'm not sure if I can get the RAID controller
to present them as JBOD)?

> It sounds you have a strange concept of volume groups here though: one
> set of PVs for "data" and another set for "guests" ?  Once you
> segregate things like that, then you have to live with them being
> separate.

What's strange about separating the system from the data?

> The vol

32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Harry Putnam]

I want to download a jessie weekly build for 64 bit PC.

What is the appropriate architecture on the downloads?

My machine has nothing to do with amd but that is the only thing
listed as 64 bit on the pages including jessie or testing.

However, at https://www.debian.org/distrib/  the starting page for
`Getting Debian, at least the netinst images are separated into:

64-bit PC netinst.iso   or  32-bit PC netinst.iso

These are only wheezy far as I can tell.

Surprisingly that page gives no reference to jessie downloads.

You would never know there were jessie downloads by looking at
`Getting Debian' link.

To find anything about debian jessie one must go to: 

 https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/

And if you follow the link to testing you will find no reference
whatever to 64-bit PC.

Maybe we are just supposed to KNOW somehow... but I don't... so is
amd64 what I should download for a 64 bit PC?


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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 October 2014 14:47:46 Harry Putnam wrote:
> is
> amd64 what I should download for a 64 bit PC?

Yes.

Lisi


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Tanstaafl]

On 10/4/2014 9:33 AM, Jeff Bauer  wrote:
> Either could be accurately used. To wit:

Maybe in general/non computer terminology, but not in with respect to
computer software...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/45295/why-is-there-confusion-between-depreciated-and-deprecated

But whatever twists your knickers...


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Re: Re: PHP memory limit upper bound

[Grigor Kolev]

>>

>>
 I need to set the PHP memory limit to more than 512 MB and found 
that I
>>
 can't. Is this caused by the Suhosin patch (my guess), and how to 
get
>>
 around it?
>>

>>
 (I tried to set suhosin.memory_limit to 1024M: no change. Was told 
that
>>
 php5-suhosin might be more configurable, but it breaks some 
package
>>
 dependencies, and I can't afford this easily.)
>
> You run Sid *and* old php. You lead an interesting life!
>>
>>
>>>Did you try edit /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini from:-
>>
>>>;suhosin.memory_limit = 0
>>
>>>to:-
>>
>>>suhosin.memory_limit = 1G
>>
>>
>>>(NOTE the suffix used above)
>>
>>
>>>Don't forget to check php.ini and ensure a similar settings for 
max_post
>>
>>>and memory_limit
>>
>>
>> No file /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini exists on a standard Sid php5-
common
>
> How did you "patch" php?
> What "patch" did you apply?
>
>>
>> install at the moment.
>
> Apologies - I should have pointed out that I don't run Sid servers,
> mostly Squeeze (which does have php5-suhosin) and a few Wheezy - 
which
> doesn't have php5-suhosin. So my experience may *not* translate :(
>
> scottfer@dom003039:~$ lsb_release -d
> Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.10 (squeeze)
> scottfer@dom003039:~$ mlocate suhosin
> /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini
> /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/suhosin.so
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin/CREDITS
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin/changelog.Debian.gz
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin/changelog.gz
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin/copyright
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin/examples
> /usr/share/doc/php5-suhosin/examples/suhosin.ini.gz
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-suhosin.conffiles
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-suhosin.list
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-suhosin.md5sums
> /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-suhosin.postinst
>
>> And no path /etc/php5/conf.d/. There are
>>
>> /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/ and /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/, with no file
>>
>> suhosin.ini in either. (I tried to manually create one with this
>>
>> setting: no result. Same with modifying php.ini.)
>
> scottfer@dom003039:~$ mlocate suhosin | grep .ini$
> /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini
>
> :/
> Try /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini  - it *should* be there, though I'm
> confused by this "patch" and it's effects.
>
> NOTES:
> * if you only have a web hosting account instead of full access you may
> need to modify ~/etc/php.ini or similar. Some web hosting providers will
> not let you set memory limits. I "assume" you have a vps at a minimum.
> * AFAIK ini set won't work if you have safe mode enabled
> * you can't set a memory limit above what is available to the system
>
>> >
>> ini_set ( 'suhosin.memory_limit', '1G' );
>>
>> ini_set ( 'memory_limit', '1G' );
>>
>
>> ini_get ( 'memory_limit' );  // returns '1G' - so far, so good
>
>Unfortunately it will report that even if that amount of memory is not
>available.
>
>>
>>
>> file_put_contents ( $about_520M );
>>
>> // PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 536870912 bytes 
exhausted...
>
>
> What do you get from (as the user running the php process):-
> php -i | grep memory_limit
>>
>> Changing the system to pass data in portions would require a nearly
>>
>> complete rewrite (~70,000 lines of code). Data size never gets over
>>
>> 1G, so with a 2G memory_limit, which is realistic, the system will work
>>
>> fine.
>>
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>>
>> Grigor
>>
>>

>>
 Debian Sid, amd64, php5-common 5.6.0+dfsg-1+b1. If you need 
more info,
>>
 please don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Do you host the server yourself?

Jigdo vs. BitTorrent vs. normal downloads [was: Re: portability of jigdo]

[Andrei POPESCU]

[for the archives]

On Du, 31 aug 14, 18:36:42, Rusi Mody wrote:
> Context:
> On the tex user group, someone was asking/complaining about the difficulties 
> of downloading texlive.
> 
> - One has to download one (few?) large (in GBs) dvd image
> - The user was on a slow/flaky line
> 
> In response the texlive folks admitted that there was a problem without 
> a clear solution.
> 
> It occurred to me that jigdo is made for exactly this kind of issue.

No, it is meant to decrease load and/or space on the servers hosting ISO 
files.

> So the question, how easy is it to port jigdo?
> 
> Two parts to the question:
> 
> 1. Jigdo server can presumably be run on a unix system, specifically 
> debian. So the 'porting' required is not much more than changing the files
> served from debian-installers to texlive-installers

There's no such thing as a jigdo "server", see below.

> 2. Jigdo client should run on all OSes (including windows)
 
It does.

> Looking around the docs I find that the easier part (1) is undocumented (or I 
> didn't find any)

There is no part 1. Jigdo relies on the fact that Debian ISOs contain 
mostly just .deb files. Those .deb files are *also* available from the 
regular package mirrors, which are plenty and might have better 
connectivity to you.

Jigdo takes a template file (the ISO "skeleton" without all the .deb 
files in it) and then adds the .deb files to it. The nice thing about 
jigdo is that it can use .deb files from whatever source:

- other ISO images
- your /var/cache/apt/archives
- Debian mirrors

Because of this one can use jigdo to create ISOs for a new point release 
by using ISO files from a previous point release and just a few 
additional downloads. It won't work so well between stable releases 
because most packages are updated.

Jigdo is also used to "host" ISOs that are used less often (e.g. other 
architectures, BD images, etc.), because one only has to provide the 
template files, all the .debs are already on the mirrors.

This is not possible with BitTorrent because there has to exist at least 
one full copy (usually the initial seed) in the torrent.

If the bottle-neck is the internet connection at home neither technology 
will help, because jigdo, BitTorrent and normal downloads (FTP/HTTP) 
need to download the same amount of data. BitTorrent could be worse than 
the others because it also uploads data.

If the bottle-neck is at the server both jigdo and BitTorrent can help, 
but only provided there exist alternative download sources. Jigdo uses 
other servers hosting files contained in the ISO while BitTorrent uses 
pieces of the ISO already downloaded by other clients.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Lisi Reisz]

There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in particular found 
favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have all failed me.  Can any 
kind person remind me/recommend a suitable inexpensive MP3 player for me to 
take on holiday. 

I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and I don't 
want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it got to, and I 
want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The very cheap one I was 
given last year restarted at the beginning every time it had been turned off.  
Much as I liked the first track, I got very tired of it.

Thanks,
Lisi


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 October 2014 15:05:07 Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/4/2014 9:33 AM, Jeff Bauer  wrote:
> > Either could be accurately used. To wit:
>
> Maybe in general/non computer terminology

Not according to Wiktionary, with which I must day I agree:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/depreciate

> , but not in with respect to 
> computer software...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation
>
> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/45295/why-is-there-confusion-bet
>ween-depreciated-and-deprecated
>
> But whatever twists your knickers...

Lisi


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Re: apt update problems

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 08:05:26 -0500, John Aten wrote:

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> > Here's everything again, with some comments to explain what each line 
> > does:
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > # This is the security archive for the wheezy release. Every wheezy 
> > # system should have it and update/upgrade regularly from it.
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
> > 
> > # This is the 'updates' archive, for packages that most probably will
> > # be included in the next point release and some special packages that
> > # need more frequent updates to be useful
> > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
> > 
> > # This is the regular archive containing the packages of the latest
> > # Debian stable release (including all point releases).
> > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> > 
> > ---
> 
> I had a similar problem recently. Daxko on this list recommended
> installing netselect and netselect-apt, which will select the fastest
> mirror and generate a sources.list file for you. I don't think the
> syntax of mine was off, I believe I was attempting to use an outdated
> mirror. Anyhow, netselect-apt fixed the problem, and then some.

Ok, http://http.debian.net won't write out a sources.list file for you
but one of its functions is to choose a fast mirror. Amongst the reasons for
choosing it instead of specifying a particular geographical mirror are

1. It is easy to remember.

2. It doesn't take long to type in a sources.list.

3. It works the same way anywhere on Earth so there is no need to alter
   sources.list if you travel a lot.

4. It does parallel downloads and will probably max out your connection.

5. Outdated mirrors are avoided.

The developer's introduction to the service is at

   
http://rgeissert.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/introducing-httpdebiannet-debians.html



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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Scott Ferguson]

On 04/10/14 20:44, Tom Collins wrote:
> Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

??

What site where you looking at? Not https://www.debian.org/
Maybe "they" fixed it, or maybe you have a DNS problem too.

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HTH


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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 04 oct 14, 09:47:46, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I want to download a jessie weekly build for 64 bit PC.
> 
> What is the appropriate architecture on the downloads?
> 
> My machine has nothing to do with amd  

Well, AMD created the x86-64 architecture we are all using (Intel's 
IA-64 never became really popular), so actually it does ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64

> However, at https://www.debian.org/distrib/  the starting page for
> `Getting Debian, at least the netinst images are separated into:
> 
> 64-bit PC netinst.iso   or  32-bit PC netinst.iso
> 
> These are only wheezy far as I can tell.
> 
> Surprisingly that page gives no reference to jessie downloads.
 
That's on purpose, since Jessie is still testing.

> You would never know there were jessie downloads by looking at
> `Getting Debian' link.
> 
> To find anything about debian jessie one must go to: 
> 
>  https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
> 
> And if you follow the link to testing you will find no reference
> whatever to 64-bit PC.
> 
> Maybe we are just supposed to KNOW somehow... but I don't... so is
> amd64 what I should download for a 64 bit PC?

Yes.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 09:47:46 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:

> I want to download a jessie weekly build for 64 bit PC.
> 
> What is the appropriate architecture on the downloads?
> 
> My machine has nothing to do with amd but that is the only thing
> listed as 64 bit on the pages including jessie or testing.
> 
> However, at https://www.debian.org/distrib/  the starting page for
> `Getting Debian, at least the netinst images are separated into:
> 
> 64-bit PC netinst.iso   or  32-bit PC netinst.iso
> 
> These are only wheezy far as I can tell.
> 
> Surprisingly that page gives no reference to jessie downloads.

The core of Debian's business is to produce and distribute a solid,
well-tested, secure and reliable OS. That page exists to advertise that
product.

> You would never know there were jessie downloads by looking at
> `Getting Debian' link.

If you want to promote a solid, well-tested, secure  and reliable OS for
people to use it makes little sense to advertise a less desirable and
perhaps unsuitable product on the same page.

> To find anything about debian jessie one must go to: 
> 
>  https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/

Read in conjunction with

   https://www.debian.org/devel/testing

we discover testing is for users who like a little spice in their lives
and are willing to make a little bit of an effort to seek it out.

> And if you follow the link to testing you will find no reference
> whatever to 64-bit PC.

"amd64" and "mult-arch".


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Re: wrong mount point after update

[José Silva]

On 04/10/14 06:00, Marko Randjelovic wrote:

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 00:20:19 +0100
José Silva  wrote:


On 03/10/14 23:44, José Silva wrote:

Hello,

On my Jessie x64, until today, I was used to my usb disks being mounted
at /media/myuser/disklabel.

After today's update, the first disk always get mounted at /media/usb0
and the ones after that, follow the old rule as above.



Further observation, the first usb disk gets mounted read-only,
presumably because it is out of user area. This is really weird.
jss




Type (as root)

grep -E "YYY-mm-dd.* (install|upgrade) " /var/log/dpkg.log

to see which packages were upgraded/installed.

Kind regards



Thank you for your help.

Furthermore to the problem above, the first disk is not exactly mounted 
as read-only but as owned by root by being on /media/usb0, which gives 
the same read-only result.


The log is pasted below since 10/1. Could it be the last installed app 
gnome-disk-utility change the fuse config? May I try to uninstall it to 
check or would you like me to do things before that? I'm using xfce4 as 
DE but I have some gnome libs and apps.


2014-10-01 19:12:04 upgrade libva1:amd64 1.3.1-3 1.4.0-2
2014-10-01 19:12:04 upgrade i965-va-driver:amd64 1.3.2-1 1.4.0-2
2014-10-01 19:12:04 upgrade libgcc-4.8-dev:amd64 4.8.3-11 4.8.3-12
2014-10-01 19:12:04 upgrade gcc-4.8:amd64 4.8.3-11 4.8.3-12
2014-10-01 19:12:05 upgrade cpp-4.8:amd64 4.8.3-11 4.8.3-12
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade libasan0:amd64 4.8.3-11 4.8.3-12
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade gcc-4.8-base:amd64 4.8.3-11 4.8.3-12
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade libaspell15:amd64 0.60.7~20110707-1.1 
0.60.7~20110707-1.2
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade aspell:amd64 0.60.7~20110707-1.1 
0.60.7~20110707-1.2

2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade libva-drm1:amd64 1.3.1-3 1.4.0-2
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade libva-x11-1:amd64 1.3.1-3 1.4.0-2
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade libva-glx1:amd64 1.3.1-3 1.4.0-2
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade libxcb-keysyms1:amd64 0.3.9-2 0.4.0-1
2014-10-01 19:12:06 upgrade python-pycurl:amd64 7.19.3.1-1.2 7.19.5-1
2014-10-01 19:12:07 upgrade ufraw-batch:amd64 0.19.2-3+b1 0.19.2-3.1
2014-10-01 19:12:07 upgrade va-driver-all:amd64 1.3.1-3 1.4.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:38 upgrade libcupsfilters-dev:amd64 1.0.58-1 1.0.59-1
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libcupsimage2-dev:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libcups2-dev:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libcupsimage2:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libdbus-1-dev:amd64 1.8.8-1 1.8.8-1+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libdbus-1-3:amd64 1.8.8-1 1.8.8-1+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libcupsfilters1:amd64 1.0.58-1 1.0.59-1
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade cups-filters-core-drivers:amd64 1.0.58-1 
1.0.59-1

2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade libfontembed1:amd64 1.0.58-1 1.0.59-1
2014-10-02 17:33:39 upgrade cups-browsed:amd64 1.0.58-1 1.0.59-1
2014-10-02 17:33:40 upgrade cups-daemon:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:40 upgrade libcupsppdc1:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:40 upgrade libcupscgi1:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:40 upgrade cups-bsd:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:41 upgrade libcupsmime1:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:41 upgrade cups-core-drivers:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:41 upgrade cups-client:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:41 upgrade libcups2:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:41 upgrade cups-server-common:all 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:42 upgrade cups:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:42 upgrade cups-filters:amd64 1.0.58-1 1.0.59-1
2014-10-02 17:33:42 upgrade cups-common:all 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:42 upgrade cups-ppdc:amd64 1.7.5-3 1.7.5-4
2014-10-02 17:33:42 upgrade libglib2.0-data:all 2.42.0-1 2.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:43 upgrade libglib2.0-dev:amd64 2.42.0-1 2.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:43 upgrade libglib2.0-bin:amd64 2.42.0-1 2.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:44 upgrade libglib2.0-0:amd64 2.42.0-1 2.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:44 upgrade libcolord2:amd64 1.2.1-1 1.2.1-1+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:44 upgrade libcolorhug2:amd64 1.2.1-1 1.2.1-1+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:44 upgrade libgtk-3-common:all 3.14.0-1 3.14.1-1
2014-10-02 17:33:45 upgrade libgirepository-1.0-1:amd64 1.42.0-1 1.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:45 upgrade gir1.2-freedesktop:amd64 1.42.0-1 1.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:45 upgrade gir1.2-glib-2.0:amd64 1.42.0-1 1.42.0-2
2014-10-02 17:33:45 upgrade libgtk-3-dev:amd64 3.14.0-1 3.14.1-1
2014-10-02 17:33:45 upgrade gir1.2-gtk-3.0:amd64 3.14.0-1 3.14.1-1
2014-10-02 17:33:45 upgrade libgail-3-0:amd64 3.14.0-1 3.14.1-1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade libgtk-3-0:amd64 3.14.0-1 3.14.1-1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade pulseaudio-module-zeroconf:amd64 5.0-6 5.0-6+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade pulseaudio-module-gconf:amd64 5.0-6 5.0-6+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade libpulsedsp:amd64 5.0-6 5.0-6+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade pulseaudio-utils:amd64 5.0-6 5.0-6+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade pulseaudio-module-x11:amd64 5.0-6 5.0-6+b1
2014-10-02 17:33:46 upgrade pulseaudio:amd64 5.0-6 5.0-6+b1
2014-

apt update problems

[John Aten]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: John Aten 
> Date: October 4, 2014 10:10:02 AM CDT
> To: Brian 
> Subject: Re: apt update problems
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Brian wrote:
> 
>> On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 08:05:26 -0500, John Aten wrote:
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>> 
 Here's everything again, with some comments to explain what each line 
 does:
 
 ---
 
 # This is the security archive for the wheezy release. Every wheezy 
 # system should have it and update/upgrade regularly from it.
 deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
 
 # This is the 'updates' archive, for packages that most probably will
 # be included in the next point release and some special packages that
 # need more frequent updates to be useful
 deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
 
 # This is the regular archive containing the packages of the latest
 # Debian stable release (including all point releases).
 deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
 
 ---
>>> 
>>> I had a similar problem recently. Daxko on this list recommended
>>> installing netselect and netselect-apt, which will select the fastest
>>> mirror and generate a sources.list file for you. I don't think the
>>> syntax of mine was off, I believe I was attempting to use an outdated
>>> mirror. Anyhow, netselect-apt fixed the problem, and then some.
>> 
>> Ok, http://http.debian.net won't write out a sources.list file for you
>> but one of its functions is to choose a fast mirror. Amongst the reasons for
>> choosing it instead of specifying a particular geographical mirror are
>> 
>> 1. It is easy to remember.
>> 
>> 2. It doesn't take long to type in a sources.list.
>> 
>> 3. It works the same way anywhere on Earth so there is no need to alter
>>  sources.list if you travel a lot.
>> 
>> 4. It does parallel downloads and will probably max out your connection.
>> 
>> 5. Outdated mirrors are avoided.
>> 
>> The developer's introduction to the service is at
>> 
>>  
>> http://rgeissert.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/introducing-httpdebiannet-debians.html
> 
> That's awesome, I had never heard of that before!

Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Harry Putnam]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

>> My machine has nothing to do with amd  
>
> Well, AMD created the x86-64 architecture we are all using (Intel's 
> IA-64 never became really popular), so actually it does ;)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64

That is interesting.  I would not have guessed at that fact.  As we
see online many even thousands of bits that separate architecture in a
sort of quickie non exacting way... as being amd PC PowerPC (maybe
more)

So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture
different from `pc'.

Thanks for the clarity.


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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[John Hasler]

Harry Putnam writes:
> So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture
> different from `pc'.

"pc" doesn't mean an architecture.
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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 03:19:26PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in particular found 
> favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have all failed me.  Can any 
> kind person remind me/recommend a suitable inexpensive MP3 player for me to 
> take on holiday. 
> 
> I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and I don't 
> want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it got to, and I 
> want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The very cheap one I was 
> given last year restarted at the beginning every time it had been turned off. 
>  
> Much as I liked the first track, I got very tired of it.

The Sandisk Sansa family is quite good[1]. I personally use the Sansa
Clip+, but have used the old Fuze in the past. While they work out of
the box, many of them support the free alternative firmware Rockbox
for extra goodnessp[2].

Kumar

[1]: http://www.sandisk.com/products/music-video-players/
[2]: http://www.rockbox.com/
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gnome: cannot use the applets (power, network settings, etc)

[H.S.]

Folks,

Since a few months now, I have not been able to use some settings from 
the applets (top right corner of screen, gnome). The log off button 
works, but reboot/shutdown doesn't. I am also not able to configure my 
wired network connection from the applet. Any change I make does not 
stick. Suspiciously seems like a permissions issue, but I can't track it 
down. It used to work smoothly earlier.


Running Debian Testing. This is what I have:
~$ dpkg -l network-m*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| 
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend

|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionArchitecture 
Description

+++-==-==-==-=
ii  network-manager0.9.10.0-2 amd64 
network management framework (daemon and userspace tools)
ii  network-manager-gnome  0.9.10.0-2 amd64 
network management framework (GNOME frontend)
un  network-manager-kde  (no 
description available)
ii  network-manager-openconnec 0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (OpenConnect plugin)
ii  network-manager-openconnec 0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (OpenConnect plugin GNOME GU
ii  network-manager-openvpn0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (OpenVPN plugin core)
ii  network-manager-openvpn-gn 0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (OpenVPN plugin GNOME GUI)
ii  network-manager-pptp   0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (PPTP plugin core)
ii  network-manager-pptp-gnome 0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (PPTP plugin GNOME GUI)
ii  network-manager-vpnc   0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (VPNC plugin core)
ii  network-manager-vpnc-gnome 0.9.10.0-1 amd64 
network management framework (VPNC plugin GNOME GUI)


Suggestions on how to go about debugging and fixing this issue?

Thanks.

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Re: [Startubuntu] Throw clarity to the world

[Felipe de Andrade Neves Lavratti]

It seems to be fully flat graphics. I wonder if Linux distros should
follow this trend.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella
 wrote:
> Windows 10 has just been launched, so perhaps you'll want to make sure some
> people gets educated by giving your insight:
>
> 
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Re: How to install qt5 on Wheezy, and is that even a good idea?

[Mark Carroll]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> On Sb, 23 aug 14, 13:43:50, Mark Carroll wrote:
>> 
>> In my /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences I have,
>> 
>> Package: *
>> Pin: release a=stable
>> Pin-Priority: 600
>
> You are increasing priority of stable, from 500 to 600, why?

I can't remember; it never seemed to be a problem anyway. Maybe I wanted
to leave more room below it!

(Broadly, the file arises from when I grudgingly had to change from
dselect's FTP method because repositories I wanted were being offered
HTTP-only: I probably read the apt-get manpage back then approximately
once and found that similar files have worked fine since.)

>> and also,
>> 
>> Package: *
>> Pin: release a=testing
>> Pin-Priority: 50
>> 
>> Package: *
>> Pin: release a=unstable
>> Pin-Priority: 40
>  
> This will make both testing and unstable have a lower priority than 
> installed packages. In practice this means you will *never* receive 
> updates to packages you installed from testing or unstable. Not even
> security updates.

Yes, I want to give chance for stable updates and suchlike to catch up
with them over time: I generally don't want to be using packages from
testing and unstable unless I have to, and I'd like them not to stay
ahead in the longer term. Security updates aren't an issue because I
subscribe to debian-security-announce and manually make sure that
anything applicable does get updated, and so far I don't think that's
been anything I actually had from later than "stable".

(Annoyingly, apt seems to get upset if I want to force the later
packages into trying to use older dependencies to see if they work well
enough, so I can end up pulling in more later packages than I want to,
but it tends to work well enough to uncompress the package and tweak
its metadata and install that adjusted version instead.)

> If unstable has to be used (are you sure? packages should migrate to 
> testing within days anyway) then yes, it makes sense to pin it to 
> something lower than 100.

I guess they don't always so quickly, because I do try the "testing"
version before the even later ones, but I certainly do sometimes end up
having to use the "unstable" or, admittedly rarely, experimental. My
guess is that "unstable" might be for a couple of reasons: something it
interacts with, some service on the Internet or whatever, changed, and
the package is just suddenly unexpectedly broken without a patch that
quickly appeared upstream; or, I had a bug where the package maintainer
didn't really care unless I could confirm it also occurs with the
latest. Actually, fairly often I have software that just really doesn't
work so well, and I try progressively later versions to see if I am
lucky enough to hit one that has the bug or annoyance actually fixed,
which of course sometimes has me go all the way before finding it isn't.

> Beware though that the package will not be updated until testing has a 
> higher version. This is especially important in case of security 
> upgrades.

I actually usually assume that "testing" doesn't much enjoy security
upgrades: they'll hit "stable" and "unstable" first, so that's partly
why I use the mailing list to help make sure I'm on top of things. My
system's core services are pretty much all from "stable" anyway, it's
usually just the occasional utility or connector that isn't.

> Also, as a general remark, it's much better to use code-names 
> everywhere, to avoid surprises whenever there is a release.

That means I have to change them all when there is a new major release,
of course, if I want to upgrade! Though, while in the past I have always
pretty much done so automatically, in this case you might be right: I'm
keeping out of the systemd debate, but I certainly don't want to switch
to jessie until I see that people are generally finding it perfectly
viable to avoid systemd. (If it helps, I don't think I need any GNOME
stuff since I stopped using Ekiga.)

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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:14:41 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
> > Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
> 
> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory
> Smith" by another name?
> 
> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.
> 
> Lisi

Yeah, go ahead. And then three more will pop up for each one you
silence.

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Re: Serial Port Problems

[Markos]

Dear Ethan,

Your scale has a DB9, DB25 or USB connector?

It is important to make sure that the cable you are using has the 
correct pinout.


Your scale has come with a cable from manufacturer or you set up the 
communication cable yourself?


The DB9 serial cable for communication use, in general, only 3 pins, Tx, 
Rx and Gnd. If your instrument follows the standard RS232.


Then you need to know what are the serial communication parameters that 
the scale are using (data bits, parity, stop bit, bps) to be able to 
configure your acquisition program correctly.


Some instruments send information over the serial port automatically as 
soon as they are turned on, others send after setting the instrument by 
typing some commands at the keyboard, and there are some instruments 
which send information only after receiving commands by the computer.


The manufacturer's manual should provide this information.

And finally use an acquisition program to verify that data is being 
received correctly to be processed.


I have some information about serial communication on these sites:

http://www.c2o.pro.br/automacao/x834.html
http://www.c2o.pro.br/automacao/x2467.html

Are in Portuguese. Use Google translator.

Any question, email-me,
Markos



On 03-10-2014 09:43, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:

Dear List -

I am trying to capture data from a serial port and write it to a file.

ethan@meow:/var/www$ cat /dev/ttyS0 > scale_value.html
cat: /dev/ttyS0: Device or resource busy

root@meow:/var/www#  cat /proc/tty/driver/serial
serinfo:1.0 driver revision:

0: uart:16550A port:03F8 irq:4 tx:90 rx:270 brk:2 RTS|CTS|DTR|DSR|CD
1: uart:16550A port:1C90 irq:17 tx:19 rx:0 CTS|DSR|CD
2: uart:unknown port:03E8 irq:4
3: uart:unknown port:02E8 irq:3

root@meow:/var/www# cat /proc/interrupts
   CPU0   CPU1
  0: 42  0   IO-APIC-edge  timer
  1:  3  0   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
  4: 74 89   IO-APIC-edge  serial
  6:  2  1   IO-APIC-edge  floppy
  8:  0  1   IO-APIC-edge  rtc0
  9:  1  2   IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
 12:  5  0   IO-APIC-edge  i8042
 16: 148679 155632   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb1, 
uhci_hcd:usb4, ehci_hcd:usb7
 17:  9  8   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb2, 
uhci_hcd:usb5, i801_smbus
 18:131143   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb3, 
ehci_hcd:usb6, uhci_hcd:usb8

 40:   54993721  0  HPET_MSI-edge  hpet2
 41:  0   53507648  HPET_MSI-edge  hpet3
 42:1041026 920449   PCI-MSI-edge  eth0
 43: 524549 476624   PCI-MSI-edge  ahci
 44: 11  9   PCI-MSI-edge  mei_me
 45:  46800  46570   PCI-MSI-edge  i915
 46:   1488   1583   PCI-MSI-edge  snd_hda_intel
NMI:  37245  37177   Non-maskable interrupts
LOC: 16 12   Local timer interrupts
SPU:  0  0   Spurious interrupts
PMI:  37245  37177   Performance monitoring interrupts
IWI: 258822 264271   IRQ work interrupts
RTR:  0  0   APIC ICR read retries
RES:52712095278411   Rescheduling interrupts
CAL:433693   Function call interrupts
TLB:29170132903216   TLB shootdowns
TRM:  0  0   Thermal event interrupts
THR:  0  0   Threshold APIC interrupts
MCE:  0  0   Machine check exceptions
MCP:   1061   1061   Machine check polls
ERR:  0
MIS:  0

/dev/ttyS1, Line 1, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x1c90, IRQ: 17
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: none
Flags: spd_normal skip_test

root@meow:/var/www#  setserial /dev/ttyS0 -a
/dev/ttyS0, Line 0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0
closing_wait: 3000
Flags: spd_normal skip_test

How do I get rid of the busy message?

TIA

Ethan





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Re: How to install qt5 on Wheezy, and is that even a good idea?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 04 oct 14, 16:44:17, Mark Carroll wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU  writes:
> > On Sb, 23 aug 14, 13:43:50, Mark Carroll wrote:
> >> 
> >> Package: *
> >> Pin: release a=testing
> >> Pin-Priority: 50
> >> 
> >> Package: *
> >> Pin: release a=unstable
> >> Pin-Priority: 40
> >  
> > This will make both testing and unstable have a lower priority than 
> > installed packages. In practice this means you will *never* receive 
> > updates to packages you installed from testing or unstable. Not even
> > security updates.
> 
> Yes, I want to give chance for stable updates and suchlike to catch up
> with them over time: I generally don't want to be using packages from
> testing and unstable unless I have to, and I'd like them not to stay
> ahead in the longer term. Security updates aren't an issue because I
> subscribe to debian-security-announce and manually make sure that
> anything applicable does get updated, and so far I don't think that's
> been anything I actually had from later than "stable".
 
The only time one could say stable is "catching up to testing" is the 
moment of a stable release, but even then, it's not quite accurate since 
the current testing *becomes* stable, the next testing is started as a 
"copy" of stable[1] and testing migration is enabled (again) to allow 
packages from unstable to migrate to it.

But as long as you watch for security updates you should be fine.

[1] in practice each package version exists only once in the pool

> (Annoyingly, apt seems to get upset if I want to force the later
> packages into trying to use older dependencies to see if they work well
> enough, so I can end up pulling in more later packages than I want to,
> but it tends to work well enough to uncompress the package and tweak
> its metadata and install that adjusted version instead.)

Ugh! Did you consider local backports instead?

> > If unstable has to be used (are you sure? packages should migrate to 
> > testing within days anyway) then yes, it makes sense to pin it to 
> > something lower than 100.
> 
> I guess they don't always so quickly, because I do try the "testing"
> version before the even later ones, but I certainly do sometimes end up
> having to use the "unstable" or, admittedly rarely, experimental. My
> guess is that "unstable" might be for a couple of reasons: something it
> interacts with, some service on the Internet or whatever, changed, and
> the package is just suddenly unexpectedly broken without a patch that
> quickly appeared upstream; or, I had a bug where the package maintainer
> didn't really care unless I could confirm it also occurs with the
> latest. Actually, fairly often I have software that just really doesn't
> work so well, and I try progressively later versions to see if I am
> lucky enough to hit one that has the bug or annoyance actually fixed,
> which of course sometimes has me go all the way before finding it isn't.

Have you considered using chroots instead?

> > Beware though that the package will not be updated until testing has a 
> > higher version. This is especially important in case of security 
> > upgrades.
> 
> I actually usually assume that "testing" doesn't much enjoy security
> upgrades: they'll hit "stable" and "unstable" first, so that's partly
> why I use the mailing list to help make sure I'm on top of things. My
> system's core services are pretty much all from "stable" anyway, it's
> usually just the occasional utility or connector that isn't.

Security fixes for testing usually go through unstable, but with reduced 
migration times (2 days?).

Kind regards,
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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 12:31:43 +0100
Tony van der Hoff  wrote:

> On 04/10/14 12:14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
> >> Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
> > 
> > This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory
> > Smith" by another name?
> > 
> > Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.
> 
> It's probably best to just ignore/killfile these trolls, Lisi. They
> revelin the attention they get.

You know, Tony's right (in every respect except characterizing
anti-systemd people as trolls). If you really can't stand their
messages, why in the WORLD would you subject yourself to their posts?
Why you don't redirect my email to /dev/null is a mystery to me.

###
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* ^List-Id.*\debian-user.lists.debian.org
/dev/null
###

I think we can all admit it, Debian-User is a rather mean, rude list.
Within one or two replies, the discussion is on the poster's
personality, not on what he/she is saying. The first thing I did when I
got here was redirect about ten people to /dev/null. That was the only
way I could have stayed here.

If your true desire were to hear nothing more about systemd, you could
simply killfile me, both Joels, Jerry, lee, Reco, Gregory, and maybe 10
more people, and your hearing about systemd would decrease by a factor
of four. Additionally, your continuing protestations couldn't be used as
a recruiting tool for the anti-systemd folks.

But nooo!

What am I missing?

SteveT

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Re: How to install qt5 on Wheezy, and is that even a good idea?

[Mark Carroll]

Andrei POPESCU  writes:

> On Sb, 04 oct 14, 16:44:17, Mark Carroll wrote:
(snip)
> The only time one could say stable is "catching up to testing" is the 
> moment of a stable release, but even then, it's not quite accurate since 
> the current testing *becomes* stable, the next testing is started as a 
> "copy" of stable[1] and testing migration is enabled (again) to allow 
> packages from unstable to migrate to it.

Well, in not upgrading the testing packages, they at least don't keep
moving away from "stable" in version number as testing moves away and
stable-updates advances some things. (-:

> But as long as you watch for security updates you should be fine.

Yes: I tend to avoid the automatic update utilities anyway because I
want to check that the update actually went okay, so I have to watch the
mailing list anyway. (Security messages about packages I might have
installed somewhere are often actually a nice few-minutes break from
whatever other work I was doing.)

(snip)
> Ugh! Did you consider local backports instead?

Sometimes they're convenient, sometimes not. backports.debian does
occasionally have useful stuff but what would be nice if apt build-dep
made it easy to remove all those build dependencies afterward.

I sometimes do. I don't always feel comfortable rolling out new ones, in
thinking about which devices / directories to have reappear in them,
more usually I have a 32-bit one for when multi-arch isn't quite enough.
I guess I'm just not used enough to creating them. For longer-lived ones
of course I always have to remember to do security updates there too.

One thing I sometimes find easier is to have a virtualbox image, though
most commonly I have older ones in those, for testing that my own
software still works with older versions of dependencies like PostgreSQL
8.4. Maybe that'd sometimes be useful for testing newer versions of
things too.

> Security fixes for testing usually go through unstable, but with reduced 
> migration times (2 days?).

Good to hear, though I worry at how quickly exploits can start to appear
these days. With the latest bashocalypse I certainly had a few sshd's
visible to the Internet. At least I was happy to see that on Debian
systems I tend to find that /bin/sh is dash, not bash.

Thanks for your comments! All good stuff to be aware of.

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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 October 2014 17:07:21 Steve Litt wrote:
> Why you don't redirect my email to /dev/null is a mystery to me.

As you wish.  But you have never descended to calling those you disagree 
with "worthless trash".

Lisi


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Curt]

On 2014-10-04, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>
> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory Smith" by 
> another name?
>

It's a cocktail.


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 04/10/14 17:07, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 12:31:43 +0100
> Tony van der Hoff  wrote:
> 
>> On 04/10/14 12:14, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> On Saturday 04 October 2014 11:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
 Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
>>>
>>> This sort of thing makes me so angry.  Is "Tom Collins" "Gregory
>>> Smith" by another name?
>>>
>>> Please, ban anyone whose "discussion" descends to this low level.
>>
>> It's probably best to just ignore/killfile these trolls, Lisi. They
>> revelin the attention they get.
> 
> You know, Tony's right (in every respect except characterizing
> anti-systemd people as trolls). If you really can't stand their
> messages, why in the WORLD would you subject yourself to their posts?
> Why you don't redirect my email to /dev/null is a mystery to me.
> 
> ###
> :0:
> * ^From:.*sl...@troubleshooters.com
> * ^List-Id.*\debian-user.lists.debian.org
> /dev/null
> ###
> 
> I think we can all admit it, Debian-User is a rather mean, rude list.
> Within one or two replies, the discussion is on the poster's
> personality, not on what he/she is saying. The first thing I did when I
> got here was redirect about ten people to /dev/null. That was the only
> way I could have stayed here.
> 
> If your true desire were to hear nothing more about systemd, you could
> simply killfile me, both Joels, Jerry, lee, Reco, Gregory, and maybe 10
> more people, and your hearing about systemd would decrease by a factor
> of four. Additionally, your continuing protestations couldn't be used as
> a recruiting tool for the anti-systemd folks.
> 
> But nooo!
> 
> What am I missing?

What you are missing is that it's not the anti-systemd sentiment that we
object to, but the way it's put across.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but to repeat it ad nauseam
in the hope that you will eventually convince the doubters is not only
counterproductive, it reeks of proselytizing.

Further, the use of language that's not acceptable in a mixed society,
or outbursts of hatred is further reason to object.

These people, not the anti-systemd advocates, ARE trolls, and are best
ignored.

You yourself have in the past fallen prey to repetition, which you have
mostly given up.

Personally, I'm quite interested to learn about systemd, but from a
rational, technical, discussion, not a rant. Unfortunately, the
rationality seems to be sadly lacking from the antis, giving the
impression that they have nothing sensible to say. The (very few)
pro-systemd posts have only been sensible. Their rarity suggests that
the proponents have better things to do with their time.


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Re: apt update problems

[Curt]

On 2014-10-04, Brian  wrote:
>
> Ok, http://http.debian.net won't write out a sources.list file for you
> but one of its functions is to choose a fast mirror. Amongst the reasons for
> choosing it instead of specifying a particular geographical mirror are
>

I guess everybody knows about this site:

http://debgen.simplylinux.ch

which the newbie might find convenient and instructive, if only for the
proper syntax.


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(Song) Fk SystemD

[Tom Collins]

youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8

Fuck Systemd. It is passionless static, worthless.
Only here to force us in a direction.

And Linus Trovalds agrees 100% with that direction.
But he never claimed to be brilliant
nor have good taste in women
nor be uncorruptable
(got to keep that RedHat stock valuable)
 
This was recorded in the morning
Fuck Systemd.
Fuck Lennart Poettering.


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Jonathan Dowland]

> On 4 Oct 2014, at 16:47, Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, go ahead. And then three more will pop up for each one you
> silence.

Are you endorsing the original message in this thread, or am I misinterpreting 
you?

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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Jonathan Dowland]

> On 4 Oct 2014, at 16:13, Kumar Appaiah  wrote:
> 
> The Sandisk Sansa family is quite good[1]. I personally use the Sansa
> Clip+, but have used the old Fuze in the past. While they work out of
> the box, many of them support the free alternative firmware Rockbox
> for extra goodnessp[2].

Seconded.

Avoid the fuze+ or the clip sport, but the fuze (v2), clip+ and clip zip are 
excellent players and are fully usable from debian. If you get a large capacity 
microsd card, put a fat32 file system on it to use with the sansas. I use a 64G 
but I believe 128G are compatible too.

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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Curt]

On 2014-10-04, Harry Putnam  wrote:
>
> So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture
> different from `pc'.

PC stands for Personal Computer.


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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[David Gonzalez]

I'm using Sansa Clip+ and it's been great. Additionally I also changed 
the firmware to Rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/) which has been a 
wonderful experience.



On 10/04/2014 01:11 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:





On 4 Oct 2014, at 16:13, Kumar Appaiah  wrote:

The Sandisk Sansa family is quite good[1]. I personally use the Sansa
Clip+, but have used the old Fuze in the past. While they work out of
the box, many of them support the free alternative firmware Rockbox
for extra goodnessp[2].

Seconded.

Avoid the fuze+ or the clip sport, but the fuze (v2), clip+ and clip zip are 
excellent players and are fully usable from debian. If you get a large capacity 
microsd card, put a fat32 file system on it to use with the sansas. I use a 64G 
but I believe 128G are compatible too.




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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 17:37:19 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 04 October 2014 17:07:21 Steve Litt wrote:
> > Why you don't redirect my email to /dev/null is a mystery to me.
> 
> As you wish.  But you have never descended to calling those you disagree 
> with "worthless trash".

But, as the man said on 5 Jul 2014 in

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/07/msg00163.html

  > ...you're an utter piece of shit.

Could just be fall from grace.


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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Joe]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:19:26 +0100
Lisi Reisz  wrote:

> There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in
> particular found favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have
> all failed me.  Can any kind person remind me/recommend a suitable
> inexpensive MP3 player for me to take on holiday. 
> 
For which value of 'inexpensive'?

> I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and
> I don't want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it
> got to, and I want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The
> very cheap one I was given last year restarted at the beginning every
> time it had been turned off. Much as I liked the first track, I got
> very tired of it.
> 

I don't think you'll get a decent one for less than about £25. My wife
needed to move on from 'cheap' last year, and we settled on one of the
Sandisk Clip series, 4GB plus microSD slot.

Two tips (that probably work for any player): if there is a choice of
USB modes, you want MSC, not MTP. The latter is aimed at Windows Media
Player users and uses auxiliary files. MSC is Mass Storage Class which
treats the player as an external USB drive, which is what you want.

Set the region to Rest Of The World, not Europe, or you won't be able
to hear it. The EU has somewhat restrictive ideas about noise levels.

OK, three tips: make sure the MP3 tags carry artist and album
information, as the player uses these rather than file and directory
names. If the MP3s have come from a non-standard source, they may not
have tags, or not the ones you need.

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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Mike McGinn]

On Saturday, October 04, 2014 06:44:43 Tom Collins wrote:
> Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"
> 
> On google searches debian pages still turn up like this:
> Debian -- Mailing Lists - Debian -- The Universal Operating ...
> 
> When you go to the page "The Universal Operating System" part is gone.
> A reflection of the problem with the scumbag debian developers
> failing to explain how "The Universal Operating System" squares
> with shoving syst__d, gn_me/gtk3, down our throats, and
> "depreciating" (as if they have the right to do that) many
> programs that rely on gtk2 and non-syst__d.
> 
> Ofcourse they ban you from posting the mailing list on the
> first critical mention of systemd.
> Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.
> 
> Give us back the debian packagers of an earlier age.

Where do you get the nerve? What have YOU done besides complain? These 
developers who VOLUNTEER their time, you dare call them a name. 

We know who the scumbag is. It is you.


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Brian]

On Sun 05 Oct 2014 at 00:34:33 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> On 04/10/14 20:44, Tom Collins wrote:
> > Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"
> 
> ??
> 
> What site where you looking at? Not https://www.debian.org/
> Maybe "they" fixed it, or maybe you have a DNS problem too.

If DNS stands for "Daft 'n Stupid" there is very little we can do on
debian-user to remedy the situation. Apologies if I have misunderstood
which protocol you had in mind.


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Re: Trolling (was Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System")

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 07:42:24 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:

> I don't think most of the people who post things like that are "trolls"
> in the classic sense. I think it's more likely that most of them are
> just very, very angry, or possibly just outraged, to the point that it
> overrides both politeness and (at least to some degree) rationality.
> 
> Trolling, at least classically speaking, is about "posting to cause a
> furor" - i.e., trying to get a rise out of the surrounding community
> regardless of what you have to say in order to do it. A fair amount of
> what sometimes gets called trolling nowadays doesn't really fit that
> description, and I think it's unfortunate to label it the same way.

Who is it unfortunate for? The "real" trolls? It's nice to have someone
speak up for them and explain their actions. but it is quite possible
they will get by with or without being accorded the label of "classical".

How about these angry, impolite, irrational and insulting non-classical
trolls? Where do they fit in? How should they be treated? I hope after
reading

  
https://lists.debian.org/trinity-cc489298-336a-4100-85b8-84c43c620c90-1412441370324@3capp-mailcom-lxa16

you are not thinking of saying "with deference".


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Re: (Song) Fk SystemD

[Al Viro]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Tom Collins wrote:

[snip masturbation]

To quote Jordan Hubbard,

Your brand of "advocacy" is akin to having the KKK show up at one's
wedding to congradulate the happy couple on their choice of marrying
within their race.  Some kinds of "support" you just don't need if
all it leaves you with the desire to take a couple of dozen showers.

That was about a different dipshit in a different flamefest, but it applies
to you nicely.  Incidentally, as you obviously understand and don't give
a fuck about, you are actively helping the Fine Piece Of Software in question,
letting the pushers of said FPOS to paint everyone who has objections with
your, er, output...

Go play in the traffic, kid.  Remember to arrange a video...


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Re: Debian nolonger claims to be the "Universal Operating System"

[Buntunub]

Tom Collins wrote
> Worthless trash. They need to be stopped, deposed.

While many do agree with your sentiment, there is no need to post
inflammatory comments such as this. In fact, you do a lot to detract from
the cause of those who feel as you do by doing this, so stop, please. If you
can't say what you need to say respectfully and politely, then do not post
until you calm down and think things through a little better.



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(Song) About FK Sys___d. Link Enclosed

[Brad Townshend]

Hey, Looks like I was banned from the mailing list for questioning sys___d!
Cool, debate and such.
 
Here's a song I recorded earlier today.
I was thinking negative thoughts about "sys___D" when doing so:
http://youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8
 
It is GPL v2 Licensed ofcourse.
Fk your system.
and Fk you those who make us choke on it.
 


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Re: (Song) About FK Sys___d. Link Enclosed

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 October 2014 19:46:12 Brad Townshend wrote:
> Hey, Looks like I was banned from the mailing list for questioning sys___d!
> Cool, debate and such.
>  
> Here's a song I recorded earlier today.
> I was thinking negative thoughts about "sys___D" when doing so:
> http://youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8
>  
> It is GPL v2 Licensed ofcourse.
> Fk your system.
> and Fk you those who make us choke on it.
>  

It is!  It's Gregory Smith by another name!!

Lisi


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Expletives Deleted

[David Baron]

I come to this list for new, advice, discussion on Debian installation, 
software, packages, problems, advice. It has help and saved my skin (system) 
times in the past. Do not read every word of every post but those of interest 
as this is a very active list. Some claim systemd has ruined Debian. Maybe, 
maybe not, but it has ruined this list.

Comeon, folks, I take it we are at least pretending to be professionals. That 
means a modicum of decorum, common good taste, self-restraint when called-for. 
When I grew up, the word "sucks," which peppers these lists without letup, was 
considered and expletive. The various F and S words and their variations, how 
much more so.

Comeon, folks. Enough.


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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Ric Moore]

On 10/04/2014 11:12 AM, Harry Putnam wrote:

Andrei POPESCU  writes:


My machine has nothing to do with amd


Well, AMD created the x86-64 architecture we are all using (Intel's
IA-64 never became really popular), so actually it does ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64


That is interesting.  I would not have guessed at that fact.  As we
see online many even thousands of bits that separate architecture in a
sort of quickie non exacting way... as being amd PC PowerPC (maybe
more)

So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture
different from `pc'.

Thanks for the clarity.


It's a geek thing, once you know the "History of Computing", so just go 
with it. :) Ric



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Re: (Song) About FK Sys___d. Link Enclosed

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 19:52:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 04 October 2014 19:46:12 Brad Townshend wrote:
> > Hey, Looks like I was banned from the mailing list for questioning sys___d!
> > Cool, debate and such.
> >  
> > Here's a song I recorded earlier today.
> > I was thinking negative thoughts about "sys___D" when doing so:
> > http://youtu.be/JbRztcLaQa8
> >  
> > It is GPL v2 Licensed ofcourse.
> > Fk your system.
> > and Fk you those who make us choke on it.
> >  
> 
> It is!  It's Gregory Smith by another name!!

Yes, indeed it is.

He came here, was seen off and then invited to join and post to another
place. This he did.

After a litle while and more than a few postings in the benevolent forum
he was was eventually reprimanded for his "incoherent rantings". Which
didn't deter him because he continued to spout.

Now, one of his minders has been especially flown in to try to curb his
ramblings, They are terrified it will damage their already unsustainable
case.

   https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg00227.html

  While many do agree with your sentiment, there is no need to post
  inflammatory comments such as this. In fact, you do a lot to detract from
  the cause of those who feel as you do by doing this, so stop, please. If you
  can't say what you need to say respectfully and politely, then do not post
  until you calm down and think things through a little better.

Getting him back in his box may not be easy to achieve. But we can hope.


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[Don Armstrong]

On Sat, 04 Oct 2014, David Baron wrote:
> Comeon, folks, I take it we are at least pretending to be
> professionals. That means a modicum of decorum, common good taste,
> self-restraint when called-for.

As a side note, behavior which violates the Code of Conduct and the
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systemd

[Andrew McGlashan]

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Do I want systemd ?
  - definitely and absolutely NO.

Is there any point arguing here in debian-user ?
  - definitely NOT.

My view is that systemd is a forgone conclusion and no-one whom has
decided that it should be will be convinced otherwise.

I cannot agree that systemd is better over sysvinit and I don't expect
that to ever change.  There is NOTHING wrong with sysvinit, there is
something wrong with blaming sysvinit for other startup issues that
had/have been done incorrectly.

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Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

[Don Armstrong]

On Fri, 03 Oct 2014, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote:
> > Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another
> > machine?
> 
> No

You can, but not trivially. Use nbd, iscsi or similar to share a block
device over the network, and then use lvm on top of that.


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Re: Expletives Deleted

[Curt]

On 2014-10-04, David Baron  wrote:
>
> Comeon, folks, I take it we are at least pretending to be professionals. That 

Professionals?


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Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

[John Holland]

Zfsonlinux.org has info on using ZFS  with debian. I create vm images and 
snapshot them and clone the snapshots all the time. The clones are writable and 
only use as much space as corresponds to the difference from the source. The 
volumes have to be ZVOL s, not regular files. I have found this very reliable.
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- Original Message -
From: lee 
Sent: 10/04/2014 - 9:31 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

> "Karl E. Jorgensen"  writes:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> how can I create a LVM snapshot of a VM?
>>>
>>>
>>> root@heimdall:~# lvcreate -L 4G -s /dev/mapper/vg_guests-lv_jarl -n 
>>> lv_snap_jarl /dev/mapper/vg_mydata
>>>   Physical Volume "/dev/mapper/vg_mydata" not found in Volume Group 
>>> "vg_guests"
>>> root@heimdall:~#
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no free space in 'vg_guests'.  The only free space is in
>>> 'vg_mydata'.
>>
>> That's a problem.  Snapshots must be in the same volume group - they
>> are essentially copy-on-write (sort-of).
>>
>>> Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another
>>> machine?
>>
>> No
>
> Hm, ok, LVM sucks then.
>
>>> Can I extend 'vg_guests', using the free space of 'vg_mydata'?
>>
>> Not directly. But you *can* merge the two volume groups - but that
>> requires all of the logical volumes in the "old" volume group are
>> inactive (i.e. unmounted and closed):
>>
>> E.g. to merge "oldvg" and "newvg" and end up with a new (larger) "newvg":
>>
>>lvchange -an oldvg
>>vgmerge newvg oldvg
>
> That would make the system disks and the data disks depend on each
> other.  I'd like to keep them independent.
>
>>> Or would I have to shrink 'vg_mydata' to have free space to be able
>>> to extend 'vg_guests' to be able to create a snapshot?
>>
>> This is probably possible - depends on whether you can completely free
>> up a PV.
>
> Physical volumes are the logical volumes provided by the RAID
> controller.  I could delete the data because I have a backup.  If I do
> that, I might better run the disks as JBOD (if I can get that to work)
> and use btrfs instead.  It wouldn't bring me closer to making backups of
> the VMs, though.
>
>> Note that a PV (physical volume) can only belong to *one* volume
>> group.  So if you can "shave off" a PV from one volume group, then you
>> can attach it to a different volume group instead.
>
> Well, it's like this:
>
>
>|-- SATA 2TB --|
>|-- SATA 2TB   |--> LV RAID5 --> LVM: vg_mydata (84GB avail)
>|-- SATA 2TB --|
> ServeRaid 8k---|
>|-- SAS 72GB --|
>|  |--> LV RAID1 --> dom0, LVM: vg_guests (full)
>|-- SAS 72GB --|
>
>
> 'vg_guests' is on its own partition.  That's IMHO a very reasonable
> setup.  Only LVM is unreasonable in that it doesn't let me make
> snapshots, which is one of the two reasons why I used it.  (The other
> reason is that it makes it simple and efficient to provide volumes to
> the guests which then can be partitioned from within the guests.)
>
> I want to make snapshots of logical volumes in 'vg_guests' to create
> backups, and they must go into a LVM-LV in 'vg_mydata' because there are
> 84GB available for this and no free space anywhere else.
>
> That shouldn't be a problem at all.
>
> Alternatively, I'd be fine with backing up the whole 'vg_guests' while
> the guests are shut down.  I just want a backup of them which I can
> restore from if I have to.
>
> So could I somehow copy a whole LVM volume group?  This could be done
> from dom0, and I could push the data over the network or put it into the
> free space of 'vg_mydata'.  It would be very awkward, yet still better
> than no backup at all.
>
> I could back up the partition 'vg_guests' is on with dd, but perhaps
> there is a better way?
>
>> You can also resize PVs, but since this usually requires messing with
>> partition tables and such things may require a reboot, this may not be
>> suitable for your situation.
>
> A reboot would be possible, though I don't want to mess with partition
> tables.  The server can be shut down for up to 4 days before I'd have a
> problem.
>
>>> I want to back up the VM without shutting it down.  If it can't
>>> avoided, I could shut it down to take the backup.  In that case, how
>>> would I copy the volume to get a useful backup file?
>>>
>>> I think I wish I had used btrfs ...
>>
>> btrfs is good - if you are working with files.  When working with
>> block devices, LVM rules.
>
> In which way would LVM be better than btrfs?  I can't even make a
> snapshot with LVM ...
>
>> But... if you had set things up the analogous way with btrfs, you
>> would still have the same problem, and you would be asking "Can I
>> snapshot from one BTRFS file system into another BTRFS file system?"
>
> Perhaps I would since I cannot reasonably combine 2TB disks and 72GB
> disks in

Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Doug]

On 10/04/2014 11:25 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> Harry Putnam writes:
>> So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture
>> different from `pc'.
> 
> "pc" doesn't mean an architecture.
> 
This is probably not much help to the person who provoked the question.

"PC" normally means a computer having an Intel or AMD processor, and
capable of running DOS, Windows, Linux, and some Unix's. It would be 
applied to a desktop or laptop computer, not a mainframe, which also
might run those operating systems.
 
As opposed to "MAC" which is a computer designed to run Apple Macintosh 
software.

Computers that run other systems are usually named specifically, like PDP-11, 
etc.

"Architecture" means the way the individual blocks of the computer are 
connected,
as well as the hard-coded instructions that tell the blocks what to do, and how 
to
do it. This would include the input/output connections, etc. You need a 
particular 
architecture to run Windows, for instance, and a slightly different 
architecture 
to run the old Apple software. (OS-X could probably be made to run on a "PC," 
since it is very similar to a Unix variant called BCD.)

Hope that helps.

--doug


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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[John Holland]

Its More Like 200$, But The fiio X3 is very nice.plays audiophile formats like 
FLAC as well as mp3.  Fiio is a Chinese company.
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- Original Message -
From: Joe 
Sent: 10/04/2014 - 1:39 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:19:26 +0100
> Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>
>> There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in
>> particular found favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have
>> all failed me.  Can any kind person remind me/recommend a suitable
>> inexpensive MP3 player for me to take on holiday.
>>
> For which value of 'inexpensive'?
>
>> I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and
>> I don't want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it
>> got to, and I want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The
>> very cheap one I was given last year restarted at the beginning every
>> time it had been turned off. Much as I liked the first track, I got
>> very tired of it.
>>
>
> I don't think you'll get a decent one for less than about £25. My wife
> needed to move on from 'cheap' last year, and we settled on one of the
> Sandisk Clip series, 4GB plus microSD slot.
>
> Two tips (that probably work for any player): if there is a choice of
> USB modes, you want MSC, not MTP. The latter is aimed at Windows Media
> Player users and uses auxiliary files. MSC is Mass Storage Class which
> treats the player as an external USB drive, which is what you want.
>
> Set the region to Rest Of The World, not Europe, or you won't be able
> to hear it. The EU has somewhat restrictive ideas about noise levels.
>
> OK, three tips: make sure the MP3 tags carry artist and album
> information, as the player uses these rather than file and directory
> names. If the MP3s have come from a non-standard source, they may not
> have tags, or not the ones you need.
>
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Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

[John Holland]

I think you can pipe output of dd on the source to netcat, going to a netcat  
on the destination  machine which is piped to dd going to a device or file on 
that machine.
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- Original Message -
From: Don Armstrong 
Sent: 10/04/2014 - 4:09 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote:
>> > Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another
>> > machine?
>>
>> No
>
> You can, but not trivially. Use nbd, iscsi or similar to share a block
> device over the network, and then use lvm on top of that.
>
>
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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[PaulNM]

On 10/04/2014 04:15 PM, John Holland wrote:
> Its More Like 200$, But The fiio X3 is very nice.plays audiophile formats 
> like FLAC as well as mp3.  Fiio is a Chinese company.
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> 

Respectfully, once you're getting above $100 USD, you're better off
getting an cheap android phone/tablet.  Plenty of free apps to play
whatever formats you like, plus other capabilities. Just don't bother
with connecting it to a cellular network.

- PaulNM



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Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

[PaulNM]

On 10/04/2014 04:09 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:06PM +0200, lee wrote:
>>> Can I create a snapshot over the network on disks an another
>>> machine?
>>
>> No
> 
> You can, but not trivially. Use nbd, iscsi or similar to share a block
> device over the network, and then use lvm on top of that.
> 

The problem is the OP expects to make a snapshot of something in one
pool, reside on a different pool.  That's a mutually exclusive concept,
regardless of what technology you're using.

Just make a copy of the logical volume onto another volume group, or
better yet, some other type of backup.

Reading the OP's posts, I think they're a little confused about what
volume groups are, and how to use logical volumes. There might also be
some confusion over snapshot vs backup copy.  It's hard to tell, because
I think they mostly get the concepts involved.

- PaulNM


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Re: Expletives Deleted

[Ric Moore]

On 10/04/2014 04:16 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-10-04, David Baron  wrote:


Comeon, folks, I take it we are at least pretending to be professionals. That


Professionals?


Yeah, or something like that! :) Ric



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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Intense Red]

> Respectfully, once you're getting above $100 USD, you're better off
> getting an cheap android phone/tablet.

   I didn't catch the first part of this thread, but I agree with you. What I 
have to wonder about is what is meant by "compatible with Debian".

   I use a Sansa Clip (e.g. 
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B002MAPT7U/). It's 
~$30, plays MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC files, and has a built-in FM radio. 
I stuck a 16GB memory card in it to hold more music than I'll ever listen to 
in a day.

   Like any sane MP3 player or camera or other device, when I plug the Sansa 
player into its microUSB cable on my Debian box, a window pops open in KDE and 
it's a drag-and-drop operation to copy/delete files to/from the player.

   Definitely recommended.


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Re: systemd

[John Hasler]

Andrew McGlashan writes:
> My view is that systemd is a forgone conclusion and no-one whom has
> decided that it should be will be convinced otherwise.

Systemd as *default* is decided.  Systemd as *required* most certainly
is not: quite the contrary.  There will be alternatives as long as there
are developers willing to support them (of course if no one uses those
alternatives no one will support them).  There may be packages into
which the upstream authors have twisted Systemd dependencies
inextricably, but that is not anything Debian can change.
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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Ric Moore]

On 10/04/2014 04:52 PM, Intense Red wrote:

Respectfully, once you're getting above $100 USD, you're better off
getting an cheap android phone/tablet.


I didn't catch the first part of this thread, but I agree with you. What I
have to wonder about is what is meant by "compatible with Debian".

I use a Sansa Clip (e.g.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B002MAPT7U/). It's
~$30, plays MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC files, and has a built-in FM radio.
I stuck a 16GB memory card in it to hold more music than I'll ever listen to
in a day.

Like any sane MP3 player or camera or other device, when I plug the Sansa
player into its microUSB cable on my Debian box, a window pops open in KDE and
it's a drag-and-drop operation to copy/delete files to/from the player.

Definitely recommended.


I have one that is at least 5 years old, and still works a charm, when I 
remember to use it. Ric




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Re: Serial Port Problems

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 10/4/2014 10:48 AM, Markos wrote:
> Dear Ethan,
> 
> Your scale has a DB9, DB25 or USB connector?
> 
> It is important to make sure that the cable you are using has the
> correct pinout.
> 
> Your scale has come with a cable from manufacturer or you set up the
> communication cable yourself?
> 
> The DB9 serial cable for communication use, in general, only 3 pins, Tx,
> Rx and Gnd. If your instrument follows the standard RS232.
>

The "standard" for RS232 also includes Data Set Ready (DSR), Data
Terminal Ready (DTR), Request To Send (RTS) and Clear To Send (CTS).
Many consumer equipment doesn't use these - but a significant percentage
of commercial equipment does.

Data Carrier Detect (DCE) and Ring Indicate (RI) are also available, but
generally only used in Modems (although some commercial equipment can
use DCE).

> Then you need to know what are the serial communication parameters that
> the scale are using (data bits, parity, stop bit, bps) to be able to
> configure your acquisition program correctly.
> 

> Any question, email-me,
> Markos
> 

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Re: apt update problems

[Charlie]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:21:40 +0100 Brian sent:

> On Sat 04 Oct 2014 at 08:05:26 -0500, John Aten wrote:
> 
> > On Oct 4, 2014, at 5:25 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > > Here's everything again, with some comments to explain what each
> > > line does:
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > # This is the security archive for the wheezy release. Every
> > > wheezy # system should have it and update/upgrade regularly from
> > > it. deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > # This is the 'updates' archive, for packages that most probably
> > > will # be included in the next point release and some special
> > > packages that # need more frequent updates to be useful
> > > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib
> > > non-free
> > > 
> > > # This is the regular archive containing the packages of the
> > > latest # Debian stable release (including all point releases).
> > > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
> > > 
> > > ---
> > 
> > I had a similar problem recently. Daxko on this list recommended
> > installing netselect and netselect-apt, which will select the
> > fastest mirror and generate a sources.list file for you. I don't
> > think the syntax of mine was off, I believe I was attempting to use
> > an outdated mirror. Anyhow, netselect-apt fixed the problem, and
> > then some.
> 
> Ok, http://http.debian.net won't write out a sources.list file for you
> but one of its functions is to choose a fast mirror. Amongst the
> reasons for choosing it instead of specifying a particular
> geographical mirror are
> 
> 1. It is easy to remember.
> 
> 2. It doesn't take long to type in a sources.list.
> 
> 3. It works the same way anywhere on Earth so there is no need to
> alter sources.list if you travel a lot.
> 
> 4. It does parallel downloads and will probably max out your
> connection.
> 
> 5. Outdated mirrors are avoided.
> 
> The developer's introduction to the service is at
> 
>
> http://rgeissert.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/introducing-httpdebiannet-debians.html
> 

Just tried it to see how it worked, but it doesn't work for me.

W: Failed to fetch
http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found

W: Failed to fetch
http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found

E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

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Re: Expletives Deleted

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:17 PM, David Baron  wrote:

> I come to this list for new, advice, discussion on Debian installation,
> software, packages, problems, advice. It has help and saved my skin
> (system)
> times in the past. Do not read every word of every post but those of
> interest
> as this is a very active list. Some claim systemd has ruined Debian. Maybe,
> maybe not, but it has ruined this list.
>

I'd say the professionals have been muting threads that are just trolling,
busy working.  The wannabes have been pounding on systemd (even though it's
easily and readily replaceable) every 15 minutes for the last three months.

Re: apt update problems

[Brian]

On Sun 05 Oct 2014 at 08:46:12 +1100, Charlie wrote:

> Just tried it to see how it worked, but it doesn't work for me.

That's because you have done something incorrectly.
 
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages
> 404  Not Found

There you are. Confirmation you have done something incorrectly. 

> W: Failed to fetch
> http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
> 404  Not Found

"Not found" again. You should now begin to wonder what it is you are
doing wrong. You could also question whether a Debian archive would be
structured to have "/main/non-free" and "main/contrib" components. The
"main" part of the archive contains only free software.

> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
> ones used instead.

This is the correct response when you have done something incorrectly.

Knowing what was in your sources.list would save having to guess what
you have done incorrectly.


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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 October 2014 15:19:26 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in particular
> found favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have all failed me. 
> Can any kind person remind me/recommend a suitable inexpensive MP3 player
> for me to take on holiday.
>
> I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and I
> don't want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it got to,
> and I want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The very cheap one
> I was given last year restarted at the beginning every time it had been
> turned off. Much as I liked the first track, I got very tired of it.
>
> Thanks,
> Lisi

Thanks for all the helpful answers.  I have ordered one of these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005LFSYZ2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I shall add a microsdcard at some point to increase the memory.

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Re: Throw clarity to the world

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

Alberto Salvia Novella:
> Windows 10 has just been launched, so perhaps you'll want to make
> sure some people gets educated by giving your insight:
>
> 

Felipe de Andrade Neves Lavratti:

It seems to be fully flat graphics. I wonder if Linux distros should
follow this trend.


I mean comment on videos :-)





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Re: apt update problems

[Ric Moore]

On 10/04/2014 05:46 PM, Charlie wrote:


Just tried it to see how it worked, but it doesn't work for me.

W: Failed to fetch
http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found

W: Failed to fetch
http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
404  Not Found

E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.

Charlie


I was about to the try the very same thing. Maybe use "testing" instead 
of "jessie"? Ric




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Re: apt update problems

[Sven Hartge]

Ric Moore  wrote:
> On 10/04/2014 05:46 PM, Charlie wrote:

>> Just tried it to see how it worked, but it doesn't work for me.
>>
>> W: Failed to fetch 
>> http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404  
>> Not Found
>>
>> W: Failed to fetch 
>> http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 404  
>> Not Found

>> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
>> ones used instead.

> I was about to the try the very same thing. Maybe use "testing" instead 
> of "jessie"? Ric

No, that's not it.

The final URL should look like this:

http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2

Spot the missing "/debian/ in the original 404 URL and the strange
"main/non-free" part.

Whatever Charlie has in his/her sources.list, it is totally wrong.

Grüße,
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RE: squeeze-lts problem with debian's keyrings or apt

[Tobias Weiß]

Howdy,

> A little concerning that one has to go through that.
> :-(
 
I feel releaved that I was not the only one with that problem :)
I took another approach, which worked for me: I installed in a virtual maschine 
a fresh Squeeze version, added squeeze lts-repo and tar-zipped /etc/apt/ and 
replaced the files on the machine that I had that problem with. Maybe kind of 
dirty trick, but also effective though. 

But still I do not know what went wrong :(

Tobias
  

Re: Serial Port Problems

[Ethan Rosenberg]

On 10/03/2014 03:33 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:43:50AM -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:

Dear List -

I am trying to capture data from a serial port and write it to a file.

ethan@meow:/var/www$ cat /dev/ttyS0 > scale_value.html
cat: /dev/ttyS0: Device or resource busy



lsof /dev/ttyS0

(tells you what is holding that port open)

-dsr-



Dan -

Thanks.

root@meow:/var/www# lsof /dev/ttyS0
COMMAND   PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
screen  28323 root6u   CHR   4,64  0t0 1119 /dev/ttyS0

TIA

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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 04:22:21PM -0400, Doug wrote:
> On 10/04/2014 11:25 AM, John Hasler wrote:
> > Harry Putnam writes:
> >> So the unwary reader is led to believe that amd means an architecture
> >> different from `pc'.
> > 
> > "pc" doesn't mean an architecture.
> > 
> This is probably not much help to the person who provoked the question.
> 
> "PC" normally means a computer having an Intel or AMD processor, and
> capable of running DOS, Windows, Linux, and some Unix's. It would be 
> applied to a desktop or laptop computer, not a mainframe, which also
> might run those operating systems.
>  
> As opposed to "MAC" which is a computer designed to run Apple Macintosh 
> software.

A MAC is still a PC. PC is short for Personal Computer.

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Re: apt update problems

[Charlie]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 23:13:51 +0100 Brian sent:

> On Sun 05 Oct 2014 at 08:46:12 +1100, Charlie wrote:
> 
> > Just tried it to see how it worked, but it doesn't work for me.
> 
> That's because you have done something incorrectly.
>  
> > W: Failed to fetch
> > http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages
> > 404  Not Found
> 
> There you are. Confirmation you have done something incorrectly. 
> 
> > W: Failed to fetch
> > http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages
> > 404  Not Found
> 
> "Not found" again. You should now begin to wonder what it is you are
> doing wrong. You could also question whether a Debian archive would be
> structured to have "/main/non-free" and "main/contrib" components. The
> "main" part of the archive contains only free software.
> 
> > E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or
> > old ones used instead.
> 
> This is the correct response when you have done something incorrectly.
> 
> Knowing what was in your sources.list would save having to guess what
> you have done incorrectly.

This is how it was, a single line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://http.debian.net/jessie main non-free contrib

I think I read that that was the way it should be written, but as you
say, obviously incorrect.

Thank you.
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Jessie netinstall CD on very limited internet connection.......

[Charlie]

Just curious:

I used a Jessie netinstall CD, downloaded some time ago, on a
computer belonging to a friend, who has a very limited internet
connection. It gave me an error message after reading the CD and I
think at the step of installing the base system or just before that.

It was something about not finding any kernel modules probably due to
this version of the installer having the wrong kernel. That's what it
posted on the screen something akin to that anyway.

I tried to go on, but there were just too many things not right, so
aborted.

It didn't matter, as I used an early wheezy net installer for a minimal
system, changed the sources list accordingly. It booted, read the
updates for Jessie correctly and now I just have to get it to a better
internet connection and upgrade it, bring in the required packages and
we're done.

But it was just a weird thing? Why would a net install CD come with the
wrong kernel? Maybe I downloaded it at a time when it was incomplete.

Nothing drastic, but I just wondered.
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Re: 32/64 bit ... downloading install images

[John Hasler]

Chris Bannister writes:
> A MAC is still a PC. PC is short for Personal Computer.

Yes.  Unfortunately, in common parlance a "peecee" is a desktop computer
running Microsoft Windows.  As in "Do you have a peecee?"  "No.  I have
a Mac."

The "Getting Debian" page refers specifically to "64 bit PC" and "32 bit
PC" but I suppose clarification of exactly what "AMD64" means could be
added.  File a bug.  With a patch.
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Re: apt update problems

[Sven Hartge]

Charlie  wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 23:13:51 +0100 Brian sent:
>> On Sun 05 Oct 2014 at 08:46:12 +1100, Charlie wrote:

>>> W: Failed to fetch 
>>> http://http.debian.net/jessie/dists/main/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 
>>>  Not Found

>> Knowing what was in your sources.list would save having to guess what
>> you have done incorrectly.

> This is how it was, a single line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:

> deb http://http.debian.net/jessie main non-free contrib

> I think I read that that was the way it should be written, but as you
> say, obviously incorrect.

The correct line is:

deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main contrib non-free

Your line is missing the "/debian " before "jessie". This is why apt-get
tries to download nonsensical URLs.

There are four parts to a line in sources list:

type URL suite/release components...

- Type is in most cases "deb" or "deb-src".

- URL is the base-URL for the mirror, in most cases
  "http://hostname/debian";.

- suite/release is something like "stable" or "testing" or
  "wheezy-backports" or "jessie"

- componentens then are "main", "contrib" etc.

Your line had the intended suite/release munged into the base-URL of the
mirror. Thus apt parsed "main" as your wanted release and "non-free" and
"contrib" as wanted componentens. This is of course incorrect and you
got your 404 during "apt-get update".

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: systemd

[Buntunub]

John Hasler-3 wrote
> There may be packages into
> which the upstream authors have twisted Systemd dependencies
> inextricably, but that is not anything Debian can change.
> -- 
> John Hasler 

> jhasler@

> Elmwood, WI USA

And sir, that is the problem with Systemd and Debians acceptance of it as
default. Were Systemd just an Init system then there would not be the
controversy about it at all, and in fact, I don't think anyone would have a
problem with it. It purposely limits freedom of choice with dependencies. I
think this deserves some additional thought on the part of the Debian DDs if
this should be the way forward for a Distro which has carried the torch for
freedom for 20+ years.

We all understand the difficulty with maintaining alternative Init systems
in this environment, so the real question is, IF Debian DDs call a vote and
move away from the decision to adopt Systemd as default, OR decide to fully
support alternative Init systems, can they do so? Will more volunteers be
needed to keep a working version of SysV with dependency resolution?



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Re: Cannot boot when /sbin/init is linked to /lib/systemd/systemd, but works with ../lib/systemd/systemd [SOLVED]

[Steve M. Robbins]

> On September 21, 2014 10:45:44 PM Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> > Is anyone else in the same boat (absolute symlink fails even though / is
> > not nfs)?

Final update: the issue vanished after updating to initramfs-tools 0.118.

Thanks, Ben Hutchings!!

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Re: apt update problems

[Charlie]

On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 06:24:18 +0200 Sven Hartge sent:

> >> Knowing what was in your sources.list would save having to guess
> >> what you have done incorrectly.  
> 
> > This is how it was, a single line in my /etc/apt/sources.list:  
> 
> > deb http://http.debian.net/jessie main non-free contrib  
> 
> > I think I read that that was the way it should be written, but as
> > you say, obviously incorrect.  
> 
> The correct line is:
> 
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main contrib non-free
> 
> Your line is missing the "/debian " before "jessie". This is why
> apt-get tries to download nonsensical URLs.

Thanks Sven,

I can see it now - when it's pointed out to me. If it had teeth it would
have bitten me.

Thank you,
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Re: PHP memory limit upper bound

[Scott Ferguson]

Your posts are very hard to follow - perhaps Kmail is a little broken?
I've re-edited this post accordingly - though it still incorrectly shows
comment precedence.
Perhaps you are not simply selecting a response from the list and
choosing "reply to" as an option??


On 04/10/14 23:53, Grigor Kolev wrote:
> Hi all, I need to set the PHP memory limit to more than 512 
> MB and found that I can't. Is this caused by the Suhosin 
> patch (my guess), and how to get around it?
8<>8--
 Did you try edit /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini from:- 
 ;suhosin.memory_limit = 0 suhosin.memory_limit = 1G (NOTE the 
 suffix used above) Don't forget to check php.ini and ensure a 
 similar settings for max_post and memory_limit
> 
>>> No file /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini exists on a standard Sid 
>>> php5-common
> 
8<>8--
>> /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-suhosin.md5sums
> 
>> /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-suhosin.postinst
> 
8<>8--
> 
>>> >> 'memory_limit', '1G' ); ini_get ( 'memory_limit' );  // returns 
>>> '1G' - so far, so good
> 

Did you restart the webserver after doing this? (any changes won't take
effect until after restarting the webserver)

e.g. # service apache2 restart

> 
>> Unfortunately it will report that even if that amount of memory is 
>> not available.
> 
>>> file_put_contents ( $about_520M );
>>> 
>>> // PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 536870912 bytes 
>>> exhausted...

I'm not sure how file_put_contents would be affected by memory_limit
(and visa versa). max_input_time and max_execution_time might.


http://php.net/manual/en/function.file-put-contents.php

> 
>> What do you get from (as the user running the php process):- php
>> -i | grep memory_limit
> 
8<>8--
> 
> Debian Sid, amd64, php5-common 5.6.0+dfsg-1+b1. If you need 
> more info,
> 
8<>8-- >
> 5.6.0+dfsg-1+b1 is the current php-common version for Sid.
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't applied any patch to it. What I discuss as a possible 
> problem origin is the Suhosin patch applied by the package 
> maintainers. (Applying a patch of mine would solve the problem, but 
> that would be washed away by the package flow in Sid. Also, it won't 
> solve the problem at potential software users: I need a solution to 
> describe for these.) Squeeze and Wheezy PHP5 experience might not 
> translate directly into Sid one, as the package maintainers have
> made meanwhile some changes (useful and needed ones, I think). Part
> of these changes is that /etc/php5/conf.d doesn't exist anymore -
> there are already separate /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d and 
> /etc/php5/cli/conf.d. (Using a suhosin.ini there doesn't work, as 
> well as posting the suhosin settings in the code or in any php.ini 
> file.)


Makes sense.
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe I need some counsel on what Suhosin patches the package 
> maintainers apply, and is there another way to configure it besides 
> fixing directly the code and recompiling it.
> 
> 
> From what I have heard, php5-common carries a Suhosin patch that
> does few things (limiting RAM is one of them), but might not be 
> configurable. The full patch, which is configurable, is said to be
> in php5-suhosin, but that breaks most other PHP packages, which I
> can't afford. Is there anyone around who would know something about
> this?


php.net ??
I included the link to the memory_limit documentation in a previous post.


> 
> 
> 
> The 'server' is my home PC. 16G RAM, over 12 of them free and 
> available to the process.

Thanks

> 
> 
> php -i | grep memory_limit returns "memory_limit => -1 => -1".

Which means you have *no* memory limits set in php.ini
Try restarting the webserver - if that doesn't fix the problem then the
limit is being set by an application. .htaccess is the first place I'd
look, 2nd would be any application's config.php.

So, any limit is being set somewhere in your application, here's some
examples where that happened with a slightly earlier version of suhosin
patched php:-
http://serverfault.com/questions/526987/how-comes-php-throws-a-memory-limit-exhausted-when-memory-limit-is-set-to-1
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1634625

Slightly different:-
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26098618/php-not-recognizing-memory-limit-changes

HTH

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audio bug

[nanohard]

Jessie and Wheezy
Reproducible
PulseAudio

It should be noted that Audacious was set to use PulseAudio, and that 
when set to Alsa instead, Audacious lowers the system volume as well as 
increases it and this decibel bug as reported below does not happen.


Circumstance:
Audacious is open.
When adjusting the volume in Audacious music player it affects the 
PulseAudio volume, but only when increasing volume; the volume in 
PulseAudio (the taskbar) increases to the same percentage that Audacious 
is set to.


Jessie only:
When the volume is then decreased in the taskbar, the volume output 
(decibel) is lower than it should be by Jessie standards.
I noticed this when viewing a flash video in Iceweasel; I had to turn 
the volume up to double what it was at to hear it. However, this was 
while the flash video was playing (I was taking advantage of Audacious' 
multimedia hotkeys plugin to increase the volume). When I stopped all 
sound output and then refreshed the flash video's page it was back to 
Jessie's decibel levels. I could hear a sharp crack when the decibel 
level reset.


I reproduced this 3 times.
I'm not entirely sure this is a bug, since I was taking advantage of 
Audacious to raise my system sound, but this is not an issue when 
Audacious is using Alsa.


I noticed that in Jessie the volume output is higher than in Wheezy at a 
lower percentage; I favor Jessie's volume/decibel output levels.



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Re: Jessie netinstall CD on very limited internet connection.......

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Charlie  wrote:
>
> Just curious:
>
> I used a Jessie netinstall CD, downloaded some time ago, on a
> computer belonging to a friend, who has a very limited internet
> connection. It gave me an error message after reading the CD and I
> think at the step of installing the base system or just before that.
>
> It was something about not finding any kernel modules probably due to
> this version of the installer having the wrong kernel. That's what it
> posted on the screen something akin to that anyway.
>
> I tried to go on, but there were just too many things not right, so
> aborted.
>
> It didn't matter, as I used an early wheezy net installer for a minimal
> system, changed the sources list accordingly. It booted, read the
> updates for Jessie correctly and now I just have to get it to a better
> internet connection and upgrade it, bring in the required packages and
> we're done.
>
> But it was just a weird thing? Why would a net install CD come with the
> wrong kernel? Maybe I downloaded it at a time when it was incomplete.

Jessie being what it is until it becomes the new stable, I would be
less than surprised if I got such errors.

It might also be due to errors in the download. Slow connections can
sometimes be less reliable -- old equipment, etc., and checksums are
statistical objects.

> Nothing drastic, but I just wondered.
> Charlie

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