Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:08:38AM +0100, Wulfy wrote:
> Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> >It's with shame that I even admit this affects me, but if yall didn't
> >know, the social site myspace.com has just moved all its multimedia
> >content to Flash 9.0 due to security problems they had with the
> >previous version, and Adobe has yet to come up with Flash Player 9.0
> >for Linux.  They have a blog from their "head developer":
> >http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
> >but I can't help thinking it reads like it was written to try to sound
> >chummy with penguinheads while dragging their feet about just
> >programming the damn thing.
> >The Flash Player project manager says that it's expected in early
> >2007.  Seems deliberate to me, but then I'm paranoid.  No doubt it
> >would be done in short order if it were released as FOSS.
> >
> >
> Right now, I wouldn't mind having a v8...
> 
I wanted to go to site with v8 and had to instll wine/firefox and then
v8 as a plugin. It was so so on speed and response. But I agree it sucks not 
because Im not a
myspace users but because it is yet another example of companies
dragging their heels on getting linux apps produced.
If theyd open the source, they'd get the expertise of the FLOSS
community work and I'm sure the app would have LESS security hole!
cheers,
Kev

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 02:24:27 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:47:03AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> > I'm using Etch, with up-to-date CUPS.  I can print fine from most
> > applications (e.g. OpenOffice.org, Firefox) but not from Adobe Acrobat
> > Reader (v7 from the Marillat collection).  In fact, I can print a Social
> > Security form from xpdf, but not Acrobat.  (Unfortunately xpdf screws up the
> > margins and cuts off the edges of each page.)
> 
> I did a poor job of explaining that.  Acrobat prints normally, and a job is
> created in CUPS, but it never actually prints, it just sits in the queue for
> my Laserjet 1012.  (I'm using hplip.)  If I print from another program, that
> job prints fine but the Acrobat-spawned job is still sitting in the queue.

Which printer command are you using in Acrobat? (the first item in the
dialog that pops up when you select "print") You can play with the
parameters there, or you can use your favorite DE's high-level print
command (e.g. "kprinter" for KDE) to make sure that printing from
Acrobat is the same as for your DE's "native" applications. If all else
fails it should be possible to use the exact same command that is shown
in xpdf's print dialog.

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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Leinier C. Salfran
El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 03:06 -0400, Kevin Mark escribió:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:08:38AM +0100, Wulfy wrote:
> > Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> > >It's with shame that I even admit this affects me, but if yall didn't
> > >know, the social site myspace.com has just moved all its multimedia
> > >content to Flash 9.0 due to security problems they had with the
> > >previous version, and Adobe has yet to come up with Flash Player 9.0
> > >for Linux.  They have a blog from their "head developer":
> > >http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
> > >but I can't help thinking it reads like it was written to try to sound
> > >chummy with penguinheads while dragging their feet about just
> > >programming the damn thing.
> > >The Flash Player project manager says that it's expected in early
> > >2007.  Seems deliberate to me, but then I'm paranoid.  No doubt it
> > >would be done in short order if it were released as FOSS.
> > >
> > >
> > Right now, I wouldn't mind having a v8...
> > 
> I wanted to go to site with v8 and had to instll wine/firefox and then
> v8 as a plugin. It was so so on speed and response. But I agree it sucks not 
> because Im not a
> myspace users but because it is yet another example of companies
> dragging their heels on getting linux apps produced.
> If theyd open the source, they'd get the expertise of the FLOSS
> community work and I'm sure the app would have LESS security hole!
> cheers,
> Kev
> 

talking and talking .. where to find flash player v8 plugin for firefox?

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error on keyboard layout change

2006-07-25 Thread H S Rai
When it tried to change keyboard laout to enter data in 
davanagri (Hindi), it reults in error:

"Error changing keyboard layout to in(basic)"

I trie dit in KDE under debian.

How to set things right?

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich

Carl Fink wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:47:03AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:

I'm using Etch, with up-to-date CUPS.  I can print fine from most
applications (e.g. OpenOffice.org, Firefox) but not from Adobe Acrobat
Reader (v7 from the Marillat collection).  In fact, I can print a Social
Security form from xpdf, but not Acrobat.  (Unfortunately xpdf screws up the
margins and cuts off the edges of each page.)


I did a poor job of explaining that.  Acrobat prints normally, and a job is
created in CUPS, but it never actually prints, it just sits in the queue for
my Laserjet 1012.  (I'm using hplip.)  If I print from another program, that
job prints fine but the Acrobat-spawned job is still sitting in the queue.


Printing from Acroread is a pain. In particular it seems to do a really 
bad job at outodetecting our network printers. It also never seems to 
remember my previous settings. I've had best results by manually 
selecting 'custom' (the bottommost printer) and using kprinter as that. 
Once kprinter's dialog is started I have to 'really' select the settings 
I need.


If you print to A4, take extra care. Acroread is notorious for ignoring 
our site-wide settings of A4-paper.


HTH, Johannes

PS: If someone knows a better way, please post!


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Odp: Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Zbigniew Wiech

I also has this problem. There's a lot
of free games attached to childrens' magazines. Most of them are only for
Windows, there is no way to play them on linux. With all respect to WINEs
people, its in very ... beta stage. It failed to open anything I tried.

In my opinion strong standardisation
of linux would help. What's the point for game developper to produce 70
versions of the game for all kinds of linuxes, only to reach 5% of population
?

regards
Zbigniew






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Re: just some thoughts







> Port games to linux and the adoption rate would
skyrocket (IMHO).
>
Linux has a wealth of games and my daughter uses it every day. The only
thing
for which I boot up windows is music production because of all the projects
already on windows software. I look forward to discarding the windows even
for this soon.

What I no longer do in windows is email and browzing.
Everyone knows why.


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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Chuckk Hubbard

Aw, we have minesweeper, that's all anyone really needs.

On 7/24/06, Cybe R. Wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In the Great Book it has Been Written that on Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:57:46
-0600 Art Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst appear within
my Magick Viewing Screen and, being somewhat pleasantly supplicatory,
did polemicize thusly:

> Port games to linux and the adoption rate would skyrocket (IMHO).

In my own (admittedly limited) experience that is very true.  The few
computer users I know personally are all Win gamers.  Until top-notch
NFL, golfing and hunting games come to Linux these fellows won't change
although each have approached me about changing already.

Them:  Can I run my games?
Me: Let me see 'em.
No.
Them: I guess I'll have to stick with Windows.

You can't imagine how frustrating that can be.

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libcairo2 and gimp 2.2.6

2006-07-25 Thread Mumia W.

On 07/24/2006 11:37 PM, djhack wrote:

Results of perl script below:

--- begin ---
/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0


Use dlocate to find out what package 
/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 is in. Then execute "aptitude 
show  | grep Version", e.g.


$ dlocate /lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0
libgimp2.0: /usr/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.6
libgimp2.0: /usr/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0

$ aptitude show libgimp2.0 | grep Version
...

Also, do this:

$ md5sum libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.6

My output from md5sum is this:
b0cb8dfa83ab4600b252ffbb0b24570f  libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.6


And change that perl program from before to this and run it:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

my $examine = '/usr/bin/gimp-2.2';
$examine = '/usr/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0';

for (`ldd $examine`) {
my ($file) = (split ' ')[2];
if (-e $file) {
print $file, "\n";
system('ldd',$file);
} else {
print "Ignoring $file\n";
}
}

__END__


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Re: Mounting iso file as normal user?

2006-07-25 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I created the directory `/mnt/temp', set its permissions to 777,
> then added to fstab the following line:
>
>  image.iso /mnt/temp iso9660 ro,loop=/dev/loop0,user,noauto  0   0
>
> , then rebooted the computer. 
> Then I could mount `image.iso' on `/mnt/temp' simply with:
>
>  $ mount /mnt/temp


This way, though, the iso file *must* be called only `image.iso.
Any way to put stuff in fstab that allow mounting an iso file with:

 $ mount  /mnt/temp

, so being it possible to freely decide the iso file name?

Thanks,
Rodolfo


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Re: Mounting iso file as normal user?

2006-07-25 Thread Mumia W.

On 07/25/2006 05:37 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

Rodolfo Medina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I created the directory `/mnt/temp', set its permissions to 777,
then added to fstab the following line:

 image.iso /mnt/temp iso9660 ro,loop=/dev/loop0,user,noauto  0   0

, then rebooted the computer. 
Then I could mount `image.iso' on `/mnt/temp' simply with:


 $ mount /mnt/temp



This way, though, the iso file *must* be called only `image.iso.
Any way to put stuff in fstab that allow mounting an iso file with:

 $ mount  /mnt/temp

, so being it possible to freely decide the iso file name?
[...]


No, not without using sudo.

I created a zero byte file named something like /mnt/iso.file.
Whenever I need to create an ISO image, I write it to that file.




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Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread John Hasler
Zbigniew writes:
> There's a lot of free games attached to childrens' magazines. Most of
> them are only for Windows, there is no way to play them on linux.

If they are gratis, why do they need to be closed-source?

> In my opinion strong standardisation of linux would help. What's the
> point for game developper to produce 70 versions of the game for all
> kinds of linuxes, only to reach 5% of population ?

That's what LSB is for.
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Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:42:50AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Zbigniew writes:
> > There's a lot of free games attached to childrens' magazines. Most of
> > them are only for Windows, there is no way to play them on linux.
> 
> If they are gratis, why do they need to be closed-source?
> 
That is a good point.  I have emailed the authors of a few Windows-only
utilities (which were closed source freeware) asking them to open source
their apps.  Some don't care and others are fearful of the idea of open
source.  It is sad but true.

> > In my opinion strong standardisation of linux would help. What's the
> > point for game developper to produce 70 versions of the game for all
> > kinds of linuxes, only to reach 5% of population ?
> 
> That's what LSB is for.
> 
If it ony it were that simple :-)

LSB *requires* RPM!  Yuck!

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cant compile kernel

2006-07-25 Thread Brent Clark

Hi all

Would anyone please assist me with as I cant compile make menuconfig

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make menuconfig
  HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/mconf.o
scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows 
non-static declaration
scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here
make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8#

I have ncurses installed.

If anyone could assist, I would be most grateful.

Kind Regards
Brent Clark


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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Welly Hartanto

Chuckk Hubbard wrote:

Aw, we have minesweeper, that's all anyone really needs.

On 7/24/06, Cybe R. Wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In the Great Book it has Been Written that on Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:57:46
-0600 Art Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst appear within
my Magick Viewing Screen and, being somewhat pleasantly supplicatory,
did polemicize thusly:

> Port games to linux and the adoption rate would skyrocket (IMHO).

In my own (admittedly limited) experience that is very true.  The few
computer users I know personally are all Win gamers.  Until top-notch
NFL, golfing and hunting games come to Linux these fellows won't change
although each have approached me about changing already.

Them:  Can I run my games?
Me: Let me see 'em.
No.
Them: I guess I'll have to stick with Windows.

You can't imagine how frustrating that can be.

Cedega ... :-|



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Re: possible to merge partitions?

2006-07-25 Thread Deephay

Thanks all, so may be I just add a fstab entry for the formatted partition...


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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 07:04:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
[...]
> > Them:  Can I run my games?
> > Me: Let me see 'em.
> > No.
> > Them: I guess I'll have to stick with Windows.
> >
> > You can't imagine how frustrating that can be.
> 
> Point them in the direction of Cedega and ask them why they're still wasting 
> money on Windows.

That would be because Cedega is still far from supporting all games
that people want to play. For example, I looked up the next game I am
going to get, Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Turns out the
installer works OK, but the game doesn't run at all. And no, I am not
inclined to limit my choice of games based on mostly political
considerations. I guess I'll stick with my tried and true solution: I'll
use my game console for gaming and Linux for the rest.

Just my $0.02
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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:18:21AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Printing from Acroread is a pain. In particular it seems to do a really 
> bad job at outodetecting our network printers. It also never seems to 
> remember my previous settings. I've had best results by manually 
> selecting 'custom' (the bottommost printer) and using kprinter as that. 
> Once kprinter's dialog is started I have to 'really' select the settings 
> I need.

Seemed worth trying, but "apt-file find kprinter" returns nothing.
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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:23:38AM -0400, Leinier C. Salfran wrote:
> El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 03:06 -0400, Kevin Mark escribió:

> > I wanted to go to site with v8 and had to instll wine/firefox and then
> > v8 as a plugin. It was so so on speed and response. But I agree it sucks 
> > not because Im not a
> > myspace users but because it is yet another example of companies
> > dragging their heels on getting linux apps produced.
> > If theyd open the source, they'd get the expertise of the FLOSS
> > community work and I'm sure the app would have LESS security hole!
> > cheers,
> > Kev
> > 
> 
> talking and talking .. where to find flash player v8 plugin for firefox?

At Adobe.com, but only for Windows Firefox.  Kevin installed WINE, which
lets him run Windows software on a Linux box.
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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich

Carl Fink wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:18:21AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Printing from Acroread is a pain. In particular it seems to do a really 
bad job at outodetecting our network printers. It also never seems to 
remember my previous settings. I've had best results by manually 
selecting 'custom' (the bottommost printer) and using kprinter as that. 
Once kprinter's dialog is started I have to 'really' select the settings 
I need.


Seemed worth trying, but "apt-file find kprinter" returns nothing.


kprinter is part of the kdeprint package, the kde printing system that 
for me works nicely and flawlessly with cups. If you have cups installed 
it should work out of the box.


You could probably try another command that prints ps-files from the 
command line, say lpr -P


Johannes

athene:/# dpkg -S kprinter
kde-i18n-ru: /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/kprinter.mo
kdeprint: /usr/lib/kde3/kprinter.la
kdeprint: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/kprinter-kivio.png
kdeprint: /usr/lib/kde3/kprinter.so
kdeprint: 
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/kprinter_called_from_run_command.png

kdeprint: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/kprinter.png
kdeprint: /usr/lib/libkdeinit_kprinter.so
kde-i18n-de: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/kprinter.mo
kdeprint: /usr/bin/kprinter
kdeprint: 
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/kprinter_with_kcron_developer_special.png
kdeprint: 
/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/kprinter-as-netscape-printcommand.png



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Re: If you are running XFS and a 2.6.17(.x) kernel...

2006-07-25 Thread CJ van den Berg
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:35:17PM -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote:
> http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html
> 
> Check the FAQ, there is a 1 line bugfix patch available here:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=115315508506996&w=2
> 
> Discussion here:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-raid&m=115342610512955&w=2

and here is the Debian bug report:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379660

and the kernel.org bug report:
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6757

This bug has caused serious data loss on my systems and no end of headaches
in the last two weeks. I really hope the fix goes into a debian kernel soon
to save others the pain.

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Recursive copy to udf-formatted dvd-ram freezes system

2006-07-25 Thread Eckhard Kosin
Hi,

I formatted a dvd-ram with udf:

mkudffs --media-type=dvdram /dev/scd0

Than after mounting the dvd-ram I can copy files to it and a diff shows
that the copied files are okay. To ensure that the files have really
been written I switched the writer off and on and mounted and ejected
another dvd between cp and diff, and there were no differences.  

But if I try to recursively copy directories to the udf-formatted
dvd-ram:

cp -r /some/dir /media/cdrecord

than after a few seconds the system freezes totally - only a power
off/on to reboot is possible.

The same occurs if I use Nautilus for the copying.

However if I formatted the dvd-ram with ext2 filesystem, all went fine,
no problems.

I run Ubuntu 5.10 with kernel 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic on a Dell OPTIPLEX
GX620 (Intel P4 620, 1G RAM), the dvd-writer is a NEC ND-4550A (Firmware
1.07), connected via USB2 with a Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE
Adapter.

Any suggestions to get udf working?

Thanks

Ecki
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Re: Wireless : best policy / pratice to start it

2006-07-25 Thread Kevin Coyner


On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 08:51:50PM +0200, Bruno Costacurta wrote..

> I'm looking for the best policies / practices to start wireless
> networking.  Briefly I use wireless in following locations:
> 
> -home: wpa via wpa_supplicant
> 
> -public (bars..etc..): no wep/wpa
> 
> Both works fine. Currently I start a console logged with user root
> to call ifup with related params.  Should I used root to call ifup
> ?


I would not log in as root to start ifup.  Instead use sudo.

apt-cache show sudo >>> Sudo is a program designed to allow a
sysadmin to give limited root privileges to users and log root
activity.  The basic philosophy is to give as few privileges as
possible but still allow people to get their work done.

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etch installer on dialup line?

2006-07-25 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hi,

I downloaded the latest business-card image of d-i and tried to install 
sid with it.


Appears not possible on a dialup line: my only access is an external 
robotics modem that works superbly.


D-i keeps looking for a network presence.

Has anybody installed on a dialup line?

H


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Re: Recursive copy to udf-formatted dvd-ram freezes system

2006-07-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich

Eckhard Kosin wrote:

Hi,

I formatted a dvd-ram with udf:

mkudffs --media-type=dvdram /dev/scd0

Than after mounting the dvd-ram I can copy files to it and a diff shows
that the copied files are okay. To ensure that the files have really
been written I switched the writer off and on and mounted and ejected
another dvd between cp and diff, and there were no differences.  


But if I try to recursively copy directories to the udf-formatted
dvd-ram:

cp -r /some/dir /media/cdrecord

than after a few seconds the system freezes totally - only a power
off/on to reboot is possible.

The same occurs if I use Nautilus for the copying.

However if I formatted the dvd-ram with ext2 filesystem, all went fine,
no problems.

I run Ubuntu 5.10 with kernel 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic on a Dell OPTIPLEX
GX620 (Intel P4 620, 1G RAM), the dvd-writer is a NEC ND-4550A (Firmware
1.07), connected via USB2 with a Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE
Adapter.


Strange: why do you run a amd64 kernel on a Pentium 4?

I would check this out before investigating further.

Also check the output of syslog.

Why don't you post to Ubuntu?

Johannes


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Re: If you are running XFS and a 2.6.17(.x) kernel...

2006-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz



On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, CJ van den Berg wrote:


On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:35:17PM -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote:

http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html

Check the FAQ, there is a 1 line bugfix patch available here:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=115315508506996&w=2

Discussion here:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-raid&m=115342610512955&w=2


and here is the Debian bug report:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379660

and the kernel.org bug report:
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6757

This bug has caused serious data loss on my systems and no end of headaches
in the last two weeks. I really hope the fix goes into a debian kernel soon
to save others the pain.

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Not only that, if you use knoppix to fix the problem, make sure you don't 
use 5.0.1!  You need to be using a kernel < 2.6.17 if you run the fixes 
on the FAQ.


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Réponse automatique d'absence du bureau : Wow

2006-07-25 Thread PILON Nathalie
En raison des congés d'été, je suis absente de l'Institut Saint-Simon pour la 
période du 13 Juillet au 4 séptembre 2006

Bonne été, à bientöt.



Re: Odp: Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread John Hasler
Roberto writes:
> LSB *requires* RPM!

So what?
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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Paul Johnson wrote:
> Kopete won't let you do service discovery,

Not true with 0.12.

> GAIM's just plain annoying (why does it open new windows for what should
> be an ignored line in STDERR?) and doesn't have service discovery

I said politely that "it is not that strict about Jabber standards" ;-)

> If you  want Jabber, get a real Jabber client, use the transports to deal
> with the obsolete networks instead.

Two problems:

a) embedding into KDE (connections with KAddressBook, KMail, etc.) -- I can
understand that somebody dislikes kopete just because of that, but not me.
Cool 100% Jabber KDE client would be nice, but there isn't such thing (yes,
I know about psi).
b) IRC over Jabber (irc.netlab.cz among many others) kind of stinks -- you
can use it if necessary, but even kopete client is much better than that.

Matěj

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Re: cp sucks or do I not know enough?

2006-07-25 Thread Larry Irwin

We converted many production shell scripts to dos/windows batch scripts...
(We had to make it possible to run our medical applications under 
windows...)
It was no easy task... We still have no reasonable method to create symbolic 
links...


Things like:
GDATE=`date +%Y%m%d`

Look like:
for /f "tokens=1-4 delims=/.- " %%A in ('date /t') do (set DOW=%%A&set 
MM=%%B&set DD=%%C&set =%%D)

set GDATE=%%%MM%%DD%

Batch syntax and functionality just isn't nearly as rich and compact as 
shell, so after you become familiar with the power of shell scripting, 
you'll find that you install C:\bin, put it in your PATH and fill it full of 
things like vi.exe, tr.exe, sed.exe, today.exe, etc. that you can locate on 
the web to make batch scripting much easier.


If you use today.exe to get the same result, the batch script looks like:
for /f "tokens=1 delims= " %%A in ('today') do (set GDATE=%%A)
Still not as intuitive as VAR=`the output of the execution of this program`,
but it does the same thing.

So... as you work in shell, start building your C:\bin library. You'll be 
glad you did!


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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:58:43PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> >On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:18:21AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> >Seemed worth trying, but "apt-file find kprinter" returns nothing.
> 
> kprinter is part of the kdeprint package, the kde printing system that 
> for me works nicely and flawlessly with cups. If you have cups installed 
> it should work out of the box.

Okay, but shouldn't apt-file find it?  Should I put in a bug on that one? 
Or is kprinter a service with no actual file of that name?
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Re: etch installer on dialup line?

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> D-i keeps looking for a network presence.
> 
> Has anybody installed on a dialup line?

Do you need really real Debian? This https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ may be
interesting alternative if you can survive with (Ku|U)buntu.

Matěj

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Johannes Wiedersich

Carl Fink wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:58:43PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Carl Fink wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:18:21AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:



Seemed worth trying, but "apt-file find kprinter" returns nothing.
kprinter is part of the kdeprint package, the kde printing system that 
for me works nicely and flawlessly with cups. If you have cups installed 
it should work out of the box.


Okay, but shouldn't apt-file find it?  Should I put in a bug on that one? 
Or is kprinter a service with no actual file of that name?


I don't use apt-file, but there have been some people reporting that it 
wouldn't work earlier this month on this list (I don't have the thread 
right now; search apt-file in subject). Maybe there is a bug?


Johannes


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how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread LeVA
Hi!

I want to make my shell's prompt colourful :)

I'm using pdksh. There are tons of information provided by google, but 
none of them are working.

Setting my prompt to:
PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'

makes my prompt:
[EMAIL PROTECTED];33mleva:$\E[0m>

The colour codes gets ignored. Is this only working with the original 
korn shell? Is there colour support for the public domain korn shell?

Thanks!

Daniel

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problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread kenn
Greetings.

I'm having trouble installing tdsodbc from unstable
(http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/tdsodbc) onto my Debian 3.1
stable 

Having edited /etc/apt/sources.list to request unstable, I get the
following when I try to install.

--
servertwo:/etc# apt-get install tdsodbc
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  tdsodbc: Depends: odbcinst1debian1 (>= 2.2.11-3) but it is not going
to be installed
E: Broken packages
--

Since I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, I suspect it's more like
user error on my part than a bug, so I thought I'd ask here before
embarrassing myself with an erroneous bug report.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Kenn



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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:21:50AM -0500, kenn wrote:
[...]
> servertwo:/etc# apt-get install tdsodbc
[...]
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   tdsodbc: Depends: odbcinst1debian1 (>= 2.2.11-3) but it is not going
> to be installed
> E: Broken packages

In my opinion, the next step ought to be 'apt-get install odbcinst1debian1'
to se what it says. There may be a dependency for odbcinst1debian1
that you'll have to resolve.

 Good luck,
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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Marc Shapiro

Carl Fink wrote:


Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that subject line
and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?
 

Count me in!  My first programming was on an IBM 360 in an "Introduction 
to Computing" class, back in 1976.  I was also taking a 'Musical 
Computer' class which ran FOCAL on a DEC PDP 11/15.


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Re: etch installer on dialup line?

2006-07-25 Thread Joey Hess
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> I downloaded the latest business-card image of d-i and tried to install 
> sid with it.

You need a slightly larger CD image. The netinst image contains only
software that you would download anyway during the install, and it also
contains a copy of ppp. You'll be able to install the base system
without going online, then after it reboots into debian, you can install
ppp from the CD, configure it, and pull down whatever else you need over
the modem.

Alternatively, if you want a simpler desktop install, the full CD is a
good choice, since it contains little aside from what you'll need for a
desktop install. Again you can install ppp after the install to pull
down any additional software you need.

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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread kenn
Juergen Fiedler wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:21:50AM -0500, kenn wrote:
> [...]
>> servertwo:/etc# apt-get install tdsodbc
> [...]
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>   tdsodbc: Depends: odbcinst1debian1 (>= 2.2.11-3) but it is not going
>> to be installed
>> E: Broken packages
> 
> In my opinion, the next step ought to be 'apt-get install odbcinst1debian1'
> to se what it says. There may be a dependency for odbcinst1debian1
> that you'll have to resolve.
> 
>  Good luck,
>--j

J --

When I try to install odbcinst1debian1 I get

 apt-get install odbcinst1debian1
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirrors.kernel.org
unstable/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirrors.kernel.org
unstable/main Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)
- stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Couldn't find package odbcinst1debian1
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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Mike McCarty

Carl Fink wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:47:03AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:


I'm using Etch, with up-to-date CUPS.  I can print fine from most
applications (e.g. OpenOffice.org, Firefox) but not from Adobe Acrobat
Reader (v7 from the Marillat collection).  In fact, I can print a Social
Security form from xpdf, but not Acrobat.  (Unfortunately xpdf screws up the
margins and cuts off the edges of each page.)



I did a poor job of explaining that.  Acrobat prints normally, and a job is
created in CUPS, but it never actually prints, it just sits in the queue for
my Laserjet 1012.  (I'm using hplip.)  If I print from another program, that
job prints fine but the Acrobat-spawned job is still sitting in the queue.


It's possible that you are submitting to a queue which is attached
to the given printer, but which is disabled. Check your queues and
their stata.

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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread David Goodenough
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:41, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> >Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that subject line
> >and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?
>
> Count me in!  My first programming was on an IBM 360 in an "Introduction
> to Computing" class, back in 1976.  I was also taking a 'Musical
> Computer' class which ran FOCAL on a DEC PDP 11/15.
and mine was an IBM 360/67 (now there was a machine) running the Michigan
Terminal System (MTS).  That was in 1973.  

It had 2MB real, and an 11MB fixed head drum, and you could feel it slow
down when the total virtual memory requirement went over 13MB and it started
to page out onto 3330 disks.  But it ran lots of golfball terminals and a 
few 2260s and a number of 1130 remote batch terminals.  Now you would be
hard put to find a digital watch with less memory.

David
>
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>
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> What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here.
> Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!
>
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Re: cant compile kernel

2006-07-25 Thread Leinier C. Salfran
El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 14:24 +0200, Brent Clark escribió:
> Hi all
> 
> Would anyone please assist me with as I cant compile make menuconfig
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make menuconfig
>HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/mconf.o
> scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' 
> follows non-static declaration
> scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was 
> here
> make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1
> make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8#
> 
> I have ncurses installed.
> 
> If anyone could assist, I would be most grateful.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Brent Clark
> 
> 

Hi

I suggest you to install 'libc6-dev' 'gcc-3.4' 'autoconf' 'automake1.9'
'libtool' 'ncurses-bin' 'ncurses-base' 'ncurses-term' 'libncurses5'
'libncursesw5' 'dialog'

Then try again .. If someone suggest anything more...

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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Raquel Rice
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:41:57 -0700
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Carl Fink wrote:
> 
> >Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that
> >subject line and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?
> >  
> >
> Count me in!  My first programming was on an IBM 360 in an
> "Introduction  to Computing" class, back in 1976.  I was also
> taking a 'Musical  Computer' class which ran FOCAL on a DEC PDP
> 11/15.
> 
> -- 
> Marc Shapiro
> 

1966.  Just starting out in operations at a major (still) U.S. bank.

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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:02:55AM -0500, kenn wrote:
> Juergen Fiedler wrote:
[...]
> When I try to install odbcinst1debian1 I get
[...]
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> E: Couldn't find package odbcinst1debian1

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Re: cant compile kernel

2006-07-25 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 14:24:49 +0200, Brent Clark wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Would anyone please assist me with as I cant compile make menuconfig
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# make menuconfig
>   HOSTCC  scripts/kconfig/mconf.o
> scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' 
> follows non-static declaration
> scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was 
> here
> make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1
> make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8#

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323059

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Re: No sound support for KDE

2006-07-25 Thread John O'Hagan
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 07:26, Markus Petermann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a problem with the audio output of KDE 3.5.3 (the KDE version
> currently used by Debian Etch Testing): There is absolutely no sound
> output.
>
> After the first launch of KDE I got a pop-up with the error message:
>
> "Sound server information message:
> Error while initializing sound driver:
> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such device)
> The sound server will continue, using the null output device."
>
[...]

I suggest disabling the KDE sound system, to see if you can play 
soundfiles with any apps that don't use it. 

If that works, you know aRTs is the culprit. You can either not use it (this 
works for me); or you can try to find out why the device "default" is not 
found.

Try using the "Override device location" option in "Sound system > Hardware" 
and make it something like "hw:0" or hw:1", (press "Apply" for each attempt 
and see if the error message reappears). If these fail, try putting in the 
path to your actual sound device - you'll have to hunt that down in /dev.

Something that can also help to clearly define sound devices is to have a 
~.asoundrc file, which google will tell you about!

Hope this helps and good luck,

John


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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread Leinier C. Salfran
El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 17:01 +0200, LeVA escribió:
> Hi!
> 
> I want to make my shell's prompt colourful :)
> 
> I'm using pdksh. There are tons of information provided by google, but 
> none of them are working.
> 
> Setting my prompt to:
> PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
> 
> makes my prompt:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED];33mleva:$\E[0m>
> 
> The colour codes gets ignored. Is this only working with the original 
> korn shell? Is there colour support for the public domain korn shell?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Daniel
> 
> -- 
> LeVA
> 
> 

Hi .. I never used this but I can say you that you are using 'text
strings' in that variable .. Everything you put enclosed in ' and " is a
'text string' in c, perl, php, bash and others.

PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'

The result looks like this 

PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
$ \E[31m  [EMAIL PROTECTED] \E[1;33m  leva:$ \E[0m>

Do you see?

Try to eliminate ' and try .. Maybe it works.


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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread Leinier C. Salfran
El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 10:21 -0500, kenn escribió:
> Greetings.
> 
> I'm having trouble installing tdsodbc from unstable
> (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/tdsodbc) onto my Debian 3.1
> stable 
> 
> Having edited /etc/apt/sources.list to request unstable, I get the
> following when I try to install.
> 
> --
> servertwo:/etc# apt-get install tdsodbc
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   tdsodbc: Depends: odbcinst1debian1 (>= 2.2.11-3) but it is not going
> to be installed
> E: Broken packages
> --
> 
> Since I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, I suspect it's more like
> user error on my part than a bug, so I thought I'd ask here before
> embarrassing myself with an erroneous bug report.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Kenn
> 
> 
> 

Hi.

The first you must to do after change '/etc/apt/sources.list' is execute
'apt-get update' .. After, 'apt-get instal xxx'

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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread kenn
Leinier C. Salfran wrote:
>
> 
> Hi.
> 
> The first you must to do after change '/etc/apt/sources.list' is execute
> 'apt-get update' .. After, 'apt-get instal xxx'
> 

Yes, I did that, and the update was performed without error.


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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread Santhosh Loganathan
hello sir,
    They are different types packages that provides you the solution. if you want in shell to be displayed in color means just use package vim-enhanced(by installing ) and reboot the machine as per linux idea. try to install the latest versions..

 
   thanks for communicating me
    by ,
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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2006 #1632

2006-07-25 Thread Russell L. Harris

From: Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing from Acrobat
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:24:27 -0400

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:47:03AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:

>> I'm using Etch, with up-to-date CUPS.  I can print fine from most
>> applications (e.g. OpenOffice.org, Firefox) but not from Adobe
>> Acrobat Reader (v7 from the Marillat collection).  In fact, I can
>> print a Social Security form from xpdf, but not Acrobat.
>> (Unfortunately xpdf screws up the margins and cuts off the edges of
>> each page.)
>
>I did a poor job of explaining that.  Acrobat prints normally, and a
>job is created in CUPS, but it never actually prints, it just sits in
>the queue for my Laserjet 1012.  (I'm using hplip.)  If I print from
>another program, that job prints fine but the Acrobat-spawned job is
>still sitting in the queue.

I had the same problem with Adobe, and the same thing was happening with
the reader (I think it was Envision) which Debian installed.  I wondered
if Acrobat and Envision are doing something such as generating a
Postscript Level 3 file, which my Postscript Level 2 printer cannot
digest.

Because of spyware concerns regarding the current version of
Acrobat/Adobe Reader, I switched back to Adobe Reader version 5.

I have not checked Envision since reinstalling Etch last week.

%

Can someone tell me how to turn off the cover page/banner page (which
shows user name, host name, and job number) which prints with each print
job?  The Debian package maintainer should have made the default not to
print the cover page; it is appropriate only in a multi-user environment
in which a single printer serves multiple users.



And perhaps is it possible to solve the
CUPS-doesn't-print-until-the-printer-is-reconfigured problem by doing a
command-line installation of the printer, rather than using the web-page
administration tool?

RLH


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Re: Firestarter bug?

2006-07-25 Thread Default User
Thanks to both Florian Kulzer and John Fleming.  Both answers work. 





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Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?

2006-07-25 Thread Default User
Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?  

I tried and tries, but was unable to do a simple Reply to List, using
Evolution 2.0.4 (the default email client) from Debian Stable.  Yet I
can send a new message to the list just fine. 




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Re: Mounting iso file as normal user?

2006-07-25 Thread Santhosh Loganathan
hello mumia,
  for make work easy just create a partition and format it with required file system and try to put label for the partition. just try it


Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2006 #1633

2006-07-25 Thread Russell L. Harris

>From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject:  etch installer on dialup line?
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Date:  Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:54:04 -0500
>
>Hi,
>
>I downloaded the latest business-card image of d-i and tried to install
>sid with it.
>
>Appears not possible on a dialup line: my only access is an external
>robotics modem that works superbly.
>
>D-i keeps looking for a network presence.
>
>Has anybody installed on a dialup line?

A better solution would be to use jigdo-lite to download a set of CD or
DVD images, and install from them.  Jidgo can complete the task, even if
it takes multiple sessions and even if communications are interrupted.

If you need a set of CD images and do not wish to keep running back and
forth to the machine to start jigdo downloading each of the (now 18)
images (very inconvenient if you are downloading overnight and wish also
to sleep), a neat trick is to download DVD images instead, of which there
are only three.  Then, in a single, brief session, you can mount each of
the DVD images as a source and have jigdo create CD images from them.  

RLH


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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-25 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:43:34AM -0500, kenn wrote:
> Leinier C. Salfran wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > The first you must to do after change '/etc/apt/sources.list' is execute
> > 'apt-get update' .. After, 'apt-get instal xxx'
> > 
> 
> Yes, I did that, and the update was performed without error.

Weirdness. Did you try specifying the target repository explicitly
(i.e., 'apt-get -t unstable install ...')?


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Re: Cross-referencing files in a GUI

2006-07-25 Thread John O'Hagan
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 16:56, Ron Johnson wrote:
> John O'Hagan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to be able to browse a set of files according to variable
> > criteria without being restricted to particular directories.
> >
> > A simple model to demonstrate: say I have three folders named "work",
> > "rest" and "play", each containing sub-folders called "pictures",
> > "music", and "text".
> >
> > What if I want to also view the same files as three folders
> > named "pictures", "music", and "text" each containing three sub-folders
> > named "work", "rest" and "play"?
> >
> > Or what if I want to browse my photos in folders according to date
> > ranges, then switch to a view where they are categorised in folders
> > according to whether they are portraits, landscapes, or buildings; or by
> > location, or the name of the subject, etc.?
> >
> > In either case it would be desirable to be able to apply the views over
> > an arbitrary number of directory levels, so that, for example a file does
> > not necessarily appear on the same level (or even the same number of
> > times) in every view.
> >
> > One way of conceptualising this could be as a number of co-existing
> > virtual directory trees, each corresponding to a particular view of the
> > same (or overlapping) sets of files. Perhaps using hard links? Or is
> > there a simpler way?
> >
> > Apart from the greater flexibility, this would eliminate the need for
> > duplicated subdirectories, i.e., each view would only be as complex as
> > necessary for a particular purpose, replacing one complex tree with
> > several simple ones.
> >
> > Is there anything like this available in Debian, or is there a neat way
> > to set it up?
>
> Beagle might be what you want.
>
> Or symlinks.

I've been doing some research on this, and Beagle is one of many projects 
which seem to be working towards the idea of a "semantic desktop", where 
a "heap" of files is viewed according to any number of metadata tags, either 
built-in or added by the user. A file can thus belong to any number 
of "folders", and the "tree" ceases to exist, at least as far as the user is 
concerned. Photo-management programs like digikam already do this: pictures 
can be viewed according to built-in or arbitrary tags to a point where it 
becomes irrelevant what folder they live in. I guess I'm looking for ways to 
extend this to all types of data, using a unified indexing engine and 
interface.

Some of these projects are: Beagle, GLScube, Strigi (for KDE), tracker, 
heap-buddy, and at the filesystem level, lufs, fuse and union-fs.

If anyone is up-to-date on this stuff, I'd be interested to hear about it.

About my initial post where I wanted to be able to rearrange directory trees 
according to various criteria: I've written a short bash script to 
demonstrate this. It creates a folder in ~/ and puts folders in it containing 
hard links to all files from all folders of a given name. You can keep the 
rest of the original directory structure leading down to those files or not. 
It uses the small utility mmv to do the linking. 

I've included it below in case anyone wants to try it. It can't handle 
directory names with spaces, it simply overwrites links to like-named files 
(not the original files!) when the single-directory option is used, and mmv 
generates a lot of screen garbage.

I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions. 

John.


#!/bin/bash

scriptname=altview

usage="\n   Usage: $scriptname [ -a ] DIRECTORY1 [ DIRECTORY2 
DIRECTORY3 ...]\n\n Only use the basename of DIRECTORY (not the full path, 
case insensitive).\n\n  $scriptname -r\n\n  $scriptname -h for help.\n"

help="$usage\n  $scriptname creates a new directory tree under ~/$scriptname 
with DIRECTORY as the root.\n   containing hard links to all the files in any 
folder named DIRECTORY.\n\n This means you can view the contents of all 
subfolders of the same name\n   as a single tree containing only those files.
\n\nBy default, all the original subdirectories are reproduced,\n   but the 
-a 
option puts all the linked files in DIRECTORY.\n\n  The -r option refreshes 
any existing trees in ~/$scriptname\n"

[[ $* ]] || echo -e "$usage"
[[ $1 == '-h' ]] && echo -e "$help" && exit


#For refresh option: set arguments to existing directories

if [[ $1 == -r ]]; then

existing=$(ls -a ~/$scriptname | grep [a-z,0-9])
[[ $existing ]] && set $(echo $existing) || exit
fi


#Get list of folders

contents=$(ls -aR1 | grep / | grep -v $scriptname/ | sed s/://g | sed s/.//)


for i in $*; do 

#Do not process -a option as a folder!

[[ $i == "-a" ]] && continue 


#Get paths for each folder entered 

paths=$(echo "$contents" | grep -iw "$i")
[[ $paths  ]] || echo "$i: no such folder"

for j in $paths; do

#Rearrange the path to put the entered folder at the top

if [[ $1 == "-a" ]]; then

newpath=~/$s

Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:08:38AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:

[snip]

> ... If I print from another program, that job prints fine but the
> >Acrobat-spawned job is still sitting in the queue.
> 
> It's possible that you are submitting to a queue which is attached
> to the given printer, but which is disabled ...

No, it isn't.  As I wrote, I can print other jobs to the same queue and they
print fine.
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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:58:43PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> You could probably try another command that prints ps-files from the 
> command line, say lpr -P

That *is* the command Acroread was using.
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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread LeVA
2006. July 25. 18:29, Leinier C. Salfran:
> El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 17:01 +0200, LeVA escribió:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I want to make my shell's prompt colourful :)
> >
> > I'm using pdksh. There are tons of information provided by google,
> > but none of them are working.
> >
> > Setting my prompt to:
> > PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
> >
> > makes my prompt:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED];33mleva:$\E[0m>
> >
> > The colour codes gets ignored. Is this only working with the
> > original korn shell? Is there colour support for the public domain
> > korn shell?
> >
> Hi .. I never used this but I can say you that you are using 'text
> strings' in that variable .. Everything you put enclosed in ' and "
> is a 'text string' in c, perl, php, bash and others.
>
> PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
>
> The result looks like this
>
> PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
> $ \E[31m  [EMAIL PROTECTED] \E[1;33m  leva:$ \E[0m>
>
> Do you see?
>
> Try to eliminate ' and try .. Maybe it works.
The colourless version of the prompt is working with '' enclosing, and 
it is supposed to work (not just by accident :). The problem lays 
behind the colour code handling.
My prompt looks like this now:
PS1='@`hostname -s`:$USER($PWD) $ '

This is working, so I started from there. I've added the colour codes, 
but pdksh doesn't handle them.

C'mon, I can't beleive that nobody is using the korn shell :)

Daniel

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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread LeVA
2006. July 25. 18:51, Santhosh Loganathan:
> hello sir,
> They are different types packages that provides you
> the solution. if you want in shell to be displayed in color means
> just use package vim-enhanced(by installing ) and reboot the machine
> as per linux idea. try to install the latest versions..
>
>thanks for communicating
> me by ,
> santhosh

I don't get this :\

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which is
clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On the other
hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly.  Apparently the universe
doesn't want me to print this one stupid page using Linux.
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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Scott

Raquel Rice wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:41:57 -0700
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Carl Fink wrote:


Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that
subject line and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?
  

Count me in!  My first programming was on an IBM 360 in an
"Introduction  to Computing" class, back in 1976.  I was also
taking a 'Musical  Computer' class which ran FOCAL on a DEC PDP
11/15.

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I started the same year but all my programming was on CDC machines and 
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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread LeVA
2006. July 25. 19:48, LeVA:
> 2006. July 25. 18:29, Leinier C. Salfran:
> > El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 17:01 +0200, LeVA escribió:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I want to make my shell's prompt colourful :)
> > >
> > > I'm using pdksh. There are tons of information provided by
> > > google, but none of them are working.
> > >
> > > Setting my prompt to:
> > > PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
> > >
> > > makes my prompt:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED];33mleva:$\E[0m>
> > >
> > > The colour codes gets ignored. Is this only working with the
> > > original korn shell? Is there colour support for the public
> > > domain korn shell?
> >
> > Hi .. I never used this but I can say you that you are using 'text
> > strings' in that variable .. Everything you put enclosed in ' and "
> > is a 'text string' in c, perl, php, bash and others.
> >
> > PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
> >
> > The result looks like this
> >
> > PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
> > $ \E[31m  [EMAIL PROTECTED] \E[1;33m  leva:$ \E[0m>
> >
> > Do you see?
> >
> > Try to eliminate ' and try .. Maybe it works.
>
> The colourless version of the prompt is working with '' enclosing,
> and it is supposed to work (not just by accident :). The problem lays
> behind the colour code handling.
> My prompt looks like this now:
> PS1='@`hostname -s`:$USER($PWD) $ '
>
> This is working, so I started from there. I've added the colour
> codes, but pdksh doesn't handle them.
>
> C'mon, I can't beleive that nobody is using the korn shell :)
Well, maybe someone is using it, but unfortunatelly I've just tested 
this with the "original" korn shell (the package named ksh) and this is 
working with it. It seems pdksh is not just a "bit" different from 
ksh...

Daniel

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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread Mumia W.

On 07/25/2006 11:29 AM, Leinier C. Salfran wrote:

El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 17:01 +0200, LeVA escribió:

Hi!

I want to make my shell's prompt colourful :)

I'm using pdksh. There are tons of information provided by google, but 
none of them are working.


Setting my prompt to:
PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'

makes my prompt:
[EMAIL PROTECTED];33mleva:$\E[0m>

The colour codes gets ignored. Is this only working with the original 
korn shell? Is there colour support for the public domain korn shell?


Thanks!

Daniel

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Hi .. I never used this but I can say you that you are using 'text
strings' in that variable .. Everything you put enclosed in ' and " is a
'text string' in c, perl, php, bash and others.

PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'

The result looks like this 


PS1=$'\E[31m'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'\E[1;33m'`hostname -s`:$'\E[0m>'
$ \E[31m  [EMAIL PROTECTED] \E[1;33m  leva:$ \E[0m>

Do you see?

Try to eliminate ' and try .. Maybe it works.




I know /zip/ about {pd}ksh, but, in bash, $'text' is a special 
syntax that recognizes special character codes such as \E 
(escape). Under bash, that PS1 string works as expected.


LeVA, it looks like you got advice on how to change the prompt 
color in bash, but you're using it for pdksh; pdksh probably 
has a completely different way to change the prompt color.




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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 06:41, Juergen Fiedler wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 07:04:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> [...]
>
> > > Them:  Can I run my games?
> > > Me: Let me see 'em.
> > > No.
> > > Them: I guess I'll have to stick with Windows.
> > >
> > > You can't imagine how frustrating that can be.
> >
> > Point them in the direction of Cedega and ask them why they're still
> > wasting money on Windows.
>
> That would be because Cedega is still far from supporting all games
> that people want to play. For example, I looked up the next game I am
> going to get, Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Turns out the
> installer works OK, but the game doesn't run at all. And no, I am not
> inclined to limit my choice of games based on mostly political
> considerations. I guess I'll stick with my tried and true solution: I'll
> use my game console for gaming and Linux for the rest.

Get coding then.  They let you contribute to their CVS.

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2006 #1632

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Please don't respond to the digest.  Respond to messages in the digest.  
Responding to the digest itself reduces readability of the list for the rest 
of us.

1) It breaks threads, your response appears as a new thread.
2) It breaks the subject, making it even harder to figure out what you're 
babbling on about.

If you don't know how to split the digest into individual messages, you should 
not be using digest mode to read the list.


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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 07:34, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Kopete won't let you do service discovery,
>
> Not true with 0.12.

That's odd, Debian's 3.5.3 version of Kopete still doesn't do it.  0.12 < 
3.5.3...

> > GAIM's just plain annoying (why does it open new windows for what should
> > be an ignored line in STDERR?) and doesn't have service discovery
>
> I said politely that "it is not that strict about Jabber standards" ;-)

It doesn't matter what protocol, GAIM is equally obnoxious on all of them.   I 
don't need or want it to raise to front and harass me because it's 
automatically reconnecting or because it feels the need to randomly tell me 
the progress of something nobody cares about.  STFU and just do it, GAIM!

> > If you  want Jabber, get a real Jabber client, use the transports to deal
> > with the obsolete networks instead.
>
> Two problems:
>
> a) embedding into KDE (connections with KAddressBook, KMail, etc.) -- I can
> understand that somebody dislikes kopete just because of that, but not me.
> Cool 100% Jabber KDE client would be nice, but there isn't such thing (yes,
> I know about psi).

I don't have a problem with it taking advantage of kparts, it's something I 
wish psi did.  I'm just saying the client-side approach to multi-protocol 
support is ass-backwards in general and usually results in a client that 
whose support of half a dozen clients is the world's least funny joke, 
whereas if you let the server handle the connections to the obsolete networks 
(AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, IRC) you get a client that does one protocol really 
really well, and transports that work increasingly well over time.  
Multi-protocol clients violate the "do one thing and do it well" design 
principal.  There's no way to fix this critical bug in all multiple protocol 
clients without just discontinuing them entirely.

> b) IRC over Jabber (irc.netlab.cz among many others) kind of stinks -- you
> can use it if necessary, but even kopete client is much better than that.

Quantify please.  I use the IRC transport on a daily basis without issue.

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Re: just some thoughts

2006-07-25 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:10:20AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Get coding then.  They let you contribute to their CVS.

I don't see the point. There are very few (if any) games I would be
interested in playing for either Windows or Linux that I can't get for
my PS2. Is Katamari Damacy available on Windows yet?


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Gimp 2.2.6 resolved!

2006-07-25 Thread djhack



Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:21:50 -0500
From: "Mumia W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian User 
Subject: libcairo2 and gimp 2.2.6
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On 07/24/2006 11:37 PM, djhack wrote:
> Results of perl script below:
>
> --- begin ---
> /lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0

Use dlocate to find out what package
/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 is in. Then execute "aptitude
show  | grep Version", e.g.

$ dlocate /lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0
libgimp2.0: /usr/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.6
libgimp2.0: /usr/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0

$ aptitude show libgimp2.0 | grep Version
...

Also, do this:

$ md5sum libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.6

My output from md5sum is this:
b0cb8dfa83ab4600b252ffbb0b24570f  libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.6





Many many many thanks to all, and I apologize that I can't figure out  
how to properly reply to the thread with the "balsa" email program I  
currently use.


Anyway, I have solved my problem with gimp 2.2.6. In a nutshell it  
appears that, a while back, when I was trying to compile gimp-shop,  
that package had links to libcairo2 and libpangocairo in its  
gimpwidgets library. I never got gimp-shop to compile, and in the  
process broke a lot of stuff which I spent a week fixing. I thought I  
had removed every trace of it and its related packages from my machine.  
Aparently not. Thus gimp choked on these non-existent files that gtk  
thought it needed.


Even more evil as that goes was that gimp's final installer script was  
looking for gimp's default configuration in the home directory of the  
person who created the debian installer for gimp-shop! I don't know who  
"suramya" is but they surely don't exist on my machine. Be careful you  
package maker people!


I have learned volumes from all of your help. And you can be sure that  
I will be bugging you again about something or other. All this is a  
good reason to stay with stable for me.


DJ...


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Re: Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?

2006-07-25 Thread Owen Heisler
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 12:13 -0500, Default User wrote:
> Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?  
> 
> I tried and tries, but was unable to do a simple Reply to List, using
> Evolution 2.0.4 (the default email client) from Debian Stable.  Yet I
> can send a new message to the list just fine.

It works fine for me.  Are you using Ctrl+L?


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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Arthur Marsh

Carl Fink wrote:

This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which is
clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On the other
hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly.  Apparently the universe
doesn't want me to print this one stupid page using Linux.


See my previous "fun" with CUPS and KDE in a few different bug reports.

Running Sid, I had to comment out the line in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:

#Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock

then restart CUPS in order for my local printer to be visible under 
KDE's printers, and after setting the CUPS printer as the local default 
there, all was well.


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Re: Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?

2006-07-25 Thread Default User
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:02 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 12:13 -0500, Default User wrote:
> > Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?  
> > 
> > I tried and tries, but was unable to do a simple Reply to List, using
> > Evolution 2.0.4 (the default email client) from Debian Stable.  Yet I
> > can send a new message to the list just fine.
> 
> It works fine for me.  Are you using Ctrl+L?
> 
> 

I used the Relpy to List menu selection, didn't work. Now let me try
Ctrl-L.  If the list got this, it worked. 




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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread James Strandboge
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 19:48 +0200, LeVA wrote:
...
> This is working, so I started from there. I've added the colour codes, 
> but pdksh doesn't handle them.
> 
> C'mon, I can't beleive that nobody is using the korn shell :)

This is not a tutorial or anything and most of this can be found
googling, but this is my prompt:
PS1='^[]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}^G^M^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
${PWD##*/}]$^[[m '

Note that the ^[ and ^G in the prompt string are single characters for
ESC and BEL (can be entered in emacs using C-q ESC and C-q C-g).  The
^M is a carriage return (C-q C-m in emacs), and needs to be used after
other escape characters in the prompt, so ksh can determine the screen
width properly.  I couldn't figure out a way to enter these control
characters with vi, but I didn't try too terribly hard either.  The
${PWD##*/} is a ksh construct to get the basename of the directory you
are in.

This part sets the title: 
^[]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}^G^M

This part set the prompt (with color): 
^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}]$^[[m 


So a no frills color prompt without the title might be:
PS1='^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}]$^[[m '

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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook

Wulfy wrote:

Carl Fink wrote:
Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that 
subject line and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?



I learned to program on that beast in 1975...  now I feel old...


Relax. You're not! 1967 on an English Electric 4-50 (derived from the
RCA Spectra 70/45):-)

Peter HB


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Re: Sarge: FIrefox: Register: segfault: just me?

2006-07-25 Thread Angelina Carlton
Alexander Sack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 07:02:33PM -0400, Angelina Carlton wrote:
>> "Dr Adrian Midgley (In th e office)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> > Loading TheRegister in Firefox as came with Sarge is followed by a
>> > segfault.  This is new.
>> >
>> > Anyone else?
>> 
>> Yeah I am getting regular segfaults with the following message
>> 
>
> Do you have extensions installed?
>
> Try starting like this:
>mozilla-firefox -safe-mode
>
> ... and see if it helps.

It doesn't seem to crash so it must be one of my extensions, however I
just noticed the original poster is on Sarge and I am on Sid so it might
not be related. Thanks!

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread David Baron
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 21:59, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> > This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
> > printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which is
> > clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On the
> > other hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly.  Apparently the
> > universe doesn't want me to print this one stupid page using Linux.
>
> See my previous "fun" with CUPS and KDE in a few different bug reports.
>
> Running Sid, I had to comment out the line in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:
>
> #Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock
>
> then restart CUPS in order for my local printer to be visible under
> KDE's printers, and after setting the CUPS printer as the local default
> there, all was well.

Yup. kprinter will not accept cups.sock "on line".


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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Paul Johnson wrote:
> That's odd, Debian's 3.5.3 version of Kopete still doesn't do it.  0.12 <
> 3.5.3...

I said, that it has not been packaged for Debian yet. (3.5.3 is version of
KDE, not Kopete which is there in version 0.10).

> I don't have a problem with it taking advantage of kparts, it's something
> I wish psi did.

And yes, before I switched to kopete 0.12 (0.10 was with Jabber really
unusable) I was using psi.

> I'm just saying the client-side approach to multi-protocol 
> support is ass-backwards in general and usually results in a client that
> whose support of half a dozen clients is the world's least funny joke,

I don't use any other client than Jabber and IRC (all legacy IM systems are
through transports).

> Multi-protocol clients violate the "do one thing and do it well" design
> principal.
  ^
  principle

However, I think that this partially a matter of definition. What is the
client? If you look at a client as library which provides translation from
one particular protocol to the shared user interface, then kopete/Jabber
client is getting pretty good, and that kopete/shared interface was pretty
good for some time already. Of course, it cannot be just one way street
(shared user interface must accommodate different functions of different
protocols), but it seems to me that it is not impossible to create decent
multi-protocol IM program (and, no, I agree with you, gaim is not the one).

But this would be a long discussion. Try to thing about kopete as a
collection of individual clients using shared user interface, and things
are then quite different.

>> b) IRC over Jabber (irc.netlab.cz among many others) kind of stinks --
>> you can use it if necessary, but even kopete client is much better than
>> that.
> 
> Quantify please.  I use the IRC transport on a daily basis without issue.

1) OK, when entering IRC over true IRC client, I don't get 49 messages about
status of individual participants in the discussion (that's the current
situation at [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
2) Things like /join #debian work.
3) I can have automatic commands (/msg Nickserv identify ###) on connection.
4) I can add participants to my roster and check their status

I am not saying that principally it is not possible to do this with
IRC-transport, but I haven't seen it done yet. For me IRC native client in
kopete Just Works(TM), IRC-transport is useable, but not pleasant.

Best,

Matěj

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JFS stability [Was: Re: If you are running XFS and a 2.6.17(.x) kernel...]

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
CJ van den Berg wrote:
> This bug has caused serious data loss on my systems and no end of
> headaches in the last two weeks. I really hope the fix goes into a debian
> kernel soon to save others the pain.

Just curious -- this is not the first report about crash and loss of data I
heard about XFS. Is JFS similarly unstable? Why it seems to be so little
used (or there is nobody complaining about that, because it just
works :-))?

Best,

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:11:19PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 21:59, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> > Carl Fink wrote:
> > > This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
> > > printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which is
> > > clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On the
> > > other hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly.  Apparently the
> > > universe doesn't want me to print this one stupid page using Linux.
> >
> > See my previous "fun" with CUPS and KDE in a few different bug reports.
> >
> > Running Sid, I had to comment out the line in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:
> >
> > #Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock
> >
> > then restart CUPS in order for my local printer to be visible under
> > KDE's printers, and after setting the CUPS printer as the local default
> > there, all was well.
> 
> Yup. kprinter will not accept cups.sock "on line".

So by default, kprinter doesn't work.  That would be a bug, right?

Okay, according to bugs.debian.org it was reported six weeks ago, still not
fixed in Sid.
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Re: JFS stability [Was: Re: If you are running XFS and a 2.6.17(.x) kernel...]

2006-07-25 Thread Justin Piszcz



On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Matej Cepl wrote:


CJ van den Berg wrote:

This bug has caused serious data loss on my systems and no end of
headaches in the last two weeks. I really hope the fix goes into a debian
kernel soon to save others the pain.


Just curious -- this is not the first report about crash and loss of data I
heard about XFS. Is JFS similarly unstable? Why it seems to be so little
used (or there is nobody complaining about that, because it just
works :-))?

Best,

Matěj

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Read the JFS mailing list, all FS have issues.

Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-25 Thread LeVA
2006. July 25. 21:20, James Strandboge:
> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 19:48 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> ...
>
> > This is working, so I started from there. I've added the colour
> > codes, but pdksh doesn't handle them.
> >
> > C'mon, I can't beleive that nobody is using the korn shell :)
>
> This is not a tutorial or anything and most of this can be found
> googling, but this is my prompt:
> PS1='^[]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}^G^M^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ${PWD##*/}]$^[[m '
>
> Note that the ^[ and ^G in the prompt string are single characters
> for ESC and BEL (can be entered in emacs using C-q ESC and C-q C-g). 
> The ^M is a carriage return (C-q C-m in emacs), and needs to be used
> after other escape characters in the prompt, so ksh can determine the
> screen width properly.  I couldn't figure out a way to enter these
> control characters with vi, but I didn't try too terribly hard
> either.  The ${PWD##*/} is a ksh construct to get the basename of the
> directory you are in.
>
> This part sets the title:
> ^[]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}^G^M
>
> This part set the prompt (with color):
> ^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}]$^[[m
>
>
> So a no frills color prompt without the title might be:
> PS1='^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}]$^[[m '
>
Thanks a lot for the reply, I've tried it and it stays the same :\ just 
spits out the characters, and no colours.
I've tried it with ksh (the original, not the public domain) and it is 
working as expected. So it seems to me that pdksh is broken; or not... 
I don't know. I thought that pdksh wants to "clone" ksh88 and ksh93. 
This rewrite indeed implements some features from ksh88 and some from 
ksh93, but surely not all, and some of them are broken. The 
maintainer's latest version dates back to '99 and I just saw the 
existing bugs' page... I could've passed over this colour trouble, but 
the alias exporting is not working which I surely need.
As I don't want to use the original ksh (although it is working :) I 
guess I'm just stuck with the good old bash, and use pdksh on my bsds.

Thanks for your efforts, and help.

Daniel

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Re: newbie question -- Using Bootlog, Startup Messages, Console

2006-07-25 Thread Willie Wonka

[ apologies for the long time since replying ]

Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Willie Wonka wrote:
> > Mumia W. wrote:
> >> AFAIK, that's not the way you enable boot-logging. Just edit
> >> /etc/default/bootlogd.
> >>
> > 
> > It did not take affect after a warm (re)boot -- so I'll try your suggestion
-
> > but why wouldn't the man page say how to enable it? Or where should I look
for
> > that kind of info instead?
> 
> Worked for me after a reboot.

I see - I think -- what worked? My method (sbin/bootlogd) ...or Mumia's method
listed above. I had stated that _my_ method did *not* take effect after a warm
boot.

> I'll echo the question about where to find that out other than a helpful 
> reply on this list.

Florian does pretty good in answering that ...I think
Thanks

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Re: newbie question -- Using Bootlog, Startup Messages, Console

2006-07-25 Thread Willie Wonka

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > I'll echo the question about where to find that out other than a helpful 
> > reply on this list.
> 
> A manpage does not always include specific info about how things are set
> up in Debian, unfortunately. (You can file a wishlist bug asking the
> package maintainer to include a brief statement about where to find the
> configuration files.)
> 
> In such cases it often helps to look for all system files with a
> suspicious name; so you would try
> 
> dpkg -S bootlogd
> 
> Then you can have a look at the files which are reported. This command
> will also tell you which package contains bootlogd, so you can run
> 
> dpkg -L initscripts
> 
> to find out where other important information might be. (Often it is in
> the /usr/share/doc/packagename directory.)
 
Thanks for the enlightening info ... here's what I've done so far to obtain a
Bootlog (/var/log/boot) and then subsequently that gets moved to boot.0, boot.1
and so on...as a new one /var/log/boot gets created -- and the older ones moved
down a notch.

I did what Mumia suggested -- here's my /etc/default/bootlogd file now;
---
$ cat /etc/default/bootlogd

# Run bootlogd at startup ?
BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
---

It *seems* to possibly needed a few boots to kick in (atleast for me it did) ..
I have also now used 'tune2fs' to Enable a fsck (/sbin/fsck.ext3) at every 3rd
mount -  rather than the default of every 30(?) mounts. IIRC, I did 'tune2fs c3
C3' I can't exactly pinpoint which one (syntax) actually took effect correctly,
but the Bootlog file (/var/log/boot) shows me the actual events that occurred
(as it should) and tells one where to look for other info concerning those
events and their respective logfiles.

Ex:
>From Bootlog we see;
--
~$ sudo cat /var/log/boot

Tue Jul 25 12:12:43 2006: Done checking root file system.
Tue Jul 25 12:12:43 2006: A log will be saved in /var/log/fsck/checkroot
if that location is writable.
.
--

So then I do;

--
$ sudo cat /var/log/fsck/checkroot

Log of fsck -C -a -V -t ext3 /dev/hdc1
Tue Jul 25 12:12:42 2006

fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005)
[/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /] fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/hdc1
/: clean, 150213/1062880 files, 1280289/2124588 blocks (check in 2 
mounts)


And then i do;

-
~$ sudo cat /var/log/fsck/checkfs

'Log of fsck -C -V -R -A -a
Tue Jul 25 16:12:45 2006

fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005)
Checking all file systems.

Tue Jul 25 16:12:45 2006
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I'd say that's pretty darn sweet ;-)

Thanks to all: for your help and guidance -- I hope the OP finds this info
useful as well...

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

2006-07-25 Thread David Baron
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 23:21, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:11:19PM +0300, David Baron wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 July 2006 21:59, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> > > Carl Fink wrote:
> > > > This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
> > > > printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which
> > > > is clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On
> > > > the other hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly. 
> > > > Apparently the universe doesn't want me to print this one stupid page
> > > > using Linux.
> > >
> > > See my previous "fun" with CUPS and KDE in a few different bug reports.
> > >
> > > Running Sid, I had to comment out the line in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:
> > >
> > > #Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock
> > >
> > > then restart CUPS in order for my local printer to be visible under
> > > KDE's printers, and after setting the CUPS printer as the local default
> > > there, all was well.
> >
> > Yup. kprinter will not accept cups.sock "on line".
>
> So by default, kprinter doesn't work.  That would be a bug, right?
>
> Okay, according to bugs.debian.org it was reported six weeks ago, still not
> fixed in Sid.

Kprinter works. The default cups.conf is not compatable with it.
They should fix this, give a choice on install, or whatever. Bug? 


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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 13:37, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > That's odd, Debian's 3.5.3 version of Kopete still doesn't do it.  0.12 <
> > 3.5.3...
>
> I said, that it has not been packaged for Debian yet. (3.5.3 is version of
> KDE, not Kopete which is there in version 0.10).

Hmm, what's the deal with the kopete package version being radically wrong 
then?

> > Multi-protocol clients violate the "do one thing and do it well" design
> > principal.
>
>   ^
>   principle

Spelling lame noted.

> However, I think that this partially a matter of definition. What is the
> client? If you look at a client as library which provides translation from
> one particular protocol to the shared user interface, then kopete/Jabber
> client is getting pretty good, and that kopete/shared interface was pretty
> good for some time already. Of course, it cannot be just one way street
> (shared user interface must accommodate different functions of different
> protocols), but it seems to me that it is not impossible to create decent
> multi-protocol IM program (and, no, I agree with you, gaim is not the one).

How long have multiple-IM clients been around now?  6 or 8 years?  Even DOS 
had more progress made over the same timespan in terms of usability.  I think 
that says more about the utter lack of effort or the impossibility of a 
reasonably functional multi-protocol client than it does about DOS.  I no 
longer think it's a matter of "Shit or get off the toilet," it's time to just 
get off the toilet already.  :o)

> But this would be a long discussion. Try to thing about kopete as a
> collection of individual clients using shared user interface, and things
> are then quite different.

That makes the situation that much sadder, really.

> >> b) IRC over Jabber (irc.netlab.cz among many others) kind of stinks --
> >> you can use it if necessary, but even kopete client is much better than
> >> that.
> >
> > Quantify please.  I use the IRC transport on a daily basis without issue.
>
> 1) OK, when entering IRC over true IRC client, I don't get 49 messages
> about status of individual participants in the discussion (that's the
> current situation at [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

That would be a client issue, the network isn't sending those messages.  Case 
in point, Psi 0.10 doesn't tell you when others join or leave chatgroups and 
IRC channels, Psi 0.11 does unless you've just joined, then it waits until 
the list stops filling up before it starts giving chat status inline.

> 2) Things like /join #debian work.

Client issue, I can join #debian no problem, though with a little lag until 
Psi finishes adding all users in the chat to the participants frame.

> 3) I can have automatic commands (/msg Nickserv identify ###) on
> connection.
> 4) I can add participants to my roster and check their status 

OK, these could be worked out better, I agree, and this would be a server side 
problem.  I would like to see ejabberd's mod_irc allow you to register with 
it so it'll identify for you, and pass people's status back a-la the other 
transports to obsolete protocols.

OTOH, IRC is starting to take the same hit the other obsolete networks are, so 
I'm not sure this will even be an issue in five years...

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Re: [OT] Gimp 2.2.6 resolved!

2006-07-25 Thread Mumia W.

On 07/25/2006 01:43 PM, djhack wrote:


Many many many thanks to all, and I apologize that I can't
figure out how to properly reply to the thread with the
"balsa" email program I currently use.
[...]


I'm glad it worked out. To reply to the list/thread in balsa,
hit the reply button then replace the address of the recipient
with the address of the list.

If you put the list address in the address book and give it a
nickname, you only have to type in the nickname on the To: line.

Also, if you go into Settings/Toolbars... you'll see a "Reply 
to Group" button that you can add to the toolbar. I haven't 
been able to test it, but it might work.



HTH




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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Simon

Wulfmann,

No, not the mainframe :)

http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=-840&storeId=1&categoryId=2344267&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73

On 7/25/06, Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Carl Fink wrote:
> Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that subject line
> and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?
>
I learned to program on that beast in 1975...  now I feel old...

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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Paul Johnson wrote:
> Hmm, what's the deal with the kopete package version being radically wrong
> then?

kopete is still just part of kdenetwork package, except that now they
decided that they want to make swifter development cycle than KDE itself so
they declared independence. Except that KDE-Qt Debian team is overloaded
and packaging kopete is not exactly piece of cake, so there is no available
package yet.

> How long have multiple-IM clients been around now?  6 or 8 years?  Even

I think that kopete is actually quite younger -- they begun to work on it
somewhere in KDE 3.* cycle.

> That makes the situation that much sadder, really.

Why?

> That would be a client issue, the network isn't sending those messages. 
> Case in point, Psi 0.10 doesn't tell you when others join or leave
> chatgroups and IRC channels, Psi 0.11 does unless you've just joined, then
> it waits until the list stops filling up before it starts giving chat
> status inline.

I talked about that with some devs on jdev MUC, and the conclusion was that
you would need to make substantial changes to mod_irc and no-one is willing
to do that--Erlang and all that stuff.

> Client issue, I can join #debian no problem, though with a little lag
> until Psi finishes adding all users in the chat to the participants frame.

Can you write /join #debian in one IRC channel so that new tab with other
channel would open? That's what I meant.

>> 4) I can add participants to my roster and check their status
> 
> OK, these could be worked out better, I agree, and this would be a server
> side problem. I would like to see ejabberd's mod_irc allow you to register
> with it so it'll identify for you, and pass people's status back a-la the
> other transports to obsolete protocols.

Which unfortunately leads back to mod_irc and Erlang.

> OTOH, IRC is starting to take the same hit the other obsolete networks
> are, so I'm not sure this will even be an issue in five years...

What do you mean?

Thanks for reply,

Matěj

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Re: No sound on flash movies

2006-07-25 Thread [KS]
Ice wrote:
> Is anythin else using /dev/dsp while you are trying to play sound on flash
> movies in Firefox?  That would stop the sound from working as only one prog
> can ouput to /dev/dsp with the OSS driver.  Try replaceing "aoss" to "alsa"
> if your card supports the alsa protocol.  or try turning off all apps that
> use dev dsp then restarting firefox.  then try to play flash movies in
> firefox.
> 

Hmm replacing "aoss" with "alsa" didn't make a difference. I haven't
 been able to hear sound on flash movies again. Not that I really need
the sound as I seldom view flash movies but it would be wonderful to
work the "once in while" when I watch something.

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VPN MS-CHAPv2 MPPE

2006-07-25 Thread Yura

VPN MS-CHAPv2 MPPE
Hi,

Can you know how to be connected Debian to to the internet for to protocols:
MS-CHAPv2 - protocol of authentification (widely utillized in products
from Microsoft),
MPPE - Microsoft Point-to-Point Encryption (method of coding of
information at a transmission on a VPN-channel)
to the device :
Device name WAN Miniport (PPPOE)
Device type   PPPoE

It will be beholden for dear information.

Yura. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ukraine)


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Re: VPN MS-CHAPv2 MPPE

2006-07-25 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Yura wrote:
> VPN MS-CHAPv2 MPPE
> Hi,
> 
> Can you know how to be connected Debian to to the internet for to
> protocols:
> MS-CHAPv2 - protocol of authentification (widely utillized in products
> from Microsoft),
> MPPE - Microsoft Point-to-Point Encryption (method of coding of
> information at a transmission on a VPN-channel)
> to the device :
> Device name WAN Miniport (PPPOE)
> Device type   PPPoE
> 
> It will be beholden for dear information.
> 
> Yura. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ukraine)
> 
> 

This requires a patched kernel.  There are also some other configuration
issues, though I forget the particulars.  The one I do remember is that
if you don't disable the low-end 40-bit version (PAP?) then it will have
problem with some VPN servers which refuse it.  I think that the pptp
page on sourceforge is a good place to start.

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PostgreSQL & ODBC & OpenOffice

2006-07-25 Thread gustavo halperin

Hello
I'm new with PostgreSQL, more over I'm new with DB at all.
I'm currently successfully connect to the DB "mydb" with owner "gusti" 
in three different modes.

   1: Locally from the system user "gusti".
   2: From another user in the next form: "psql -h localhost mydb 
gusti" and giving the correct password after well.

   3: Using the library "libsqlxx-dev" with the next settings:
   SQL.setUsername("gusti");
   SQL.setPassword("thePassw");
   SQL.setHostname("localhost");
   SQL.setPort(5432);//don't must
   SQL.setDatabase("mydb");
   SQL.setType(SQLXX_ODBC);
   SQL.setDriver("/usr/lib/postgresql/lib/psqlodbc.so");
   SQL.connect();

My problem start when I use OpenOffice. Almost the same error: 
"[unixODBC][Driver Manager]Data source name not found, and no default 
driver specified"
There aren't to much values in the OpenOffice->tool->Data Sources ... 
Can you please help me with this ?
In the connection using "ODBC" I use in the "Data source URL" the next 
source "//localhost:5432/mydb", and nothing for the "Driver setting", 
and the "user name" is "gusti" and when pick the Tab "Tables" I request 
for a Password and then I receive the error. So, What is the problem?


My file odbc user files are:
~/.odbcinst.ini
   [PostgreSQL]
   Description = PostgreSQL ODBC driver
   Driver  = /usr/lib/odbc/psqlodbc.so
   Setup   = /usr/lib/odbc/libodbcpsqlS.so
   Debug   = 0
   CommLog = 1
   FileUsage   = 1

~/.odbc.ini is:
   [PostgreSQL]
   Description = PostgreSQL gusti user
   Driver  = PostgreSQL
   Trace   = No
   TraceFile   = /tmp/psqlodbc.log
   Database= mydb
   Servername  = localhost
   UserName= gusti
   Password= 
   Port= 5432

   Protocol= 6.4
   ReadOnly= Yes
   RowVersioning   = No
   ShowSystemTables= No
   ShowOidColumn   = No
   FakeOidIndex= No
   ConnSettings=


 Thank you,
   Gustavo

B.W. If you know how to use JDBC driver , almost can help. Thank you 
again, Gustavo



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Re: No sound support for KDE

2006-07-25 Thread Markus Petermann
Hi,

Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> "Sound server information message:
>> Error while initializing sound driver:
>> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such device)
>> The sound server will continue, using the null output device."
> 
> Make sure your username is a member of the 'audio' group.

My user is in the group audio. Precautionly a changed the access rights
for owner, group and all to rwx for the devices
/dev/dsp
/dev/dsp1
/dev/mixer
/dev/mixer1
/dev/rtc
/dev/snd/*

After this I started alsaconf again - without effect.

Greetings,
Markus


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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-25 Thread Wulfy

Simon wrote:

Wulfmann,

No, not the mainframe :)

http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=-840&storeId=1&categoryId=2344267&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73 


Yeah...  I think the one I learned on was a little larger than that...  
like "fill the air-conditioned room with an airlock" size...  :)


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Re: Re: Recursive copy to udf-formatted dvd-ram freezes system

2006-07-25 Thread Eckhard Kosin
Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Eckhard Kosin wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I formatted a dvd-ram with udf:
> > 
> > mkudffs --media-type=dvdram /dev/scd0
> > 
> > Than after mounting the dvd-ram I can copy files to it and a
> > diff shows
> > that the copied files are okay. To ensure that the files
> > have really
> > been written I switched the writer off and on and mounted
> > and ejected
> > another dvd between cp and diff, and there were no
> > differences. 
> > 
> > But if I try to recursively copy directories to the udf-formatted
> > dvd-ram:
> > 
> > cp -r /some/dir /media/cdrecord
> > 
> > than after a few seconds the system freezes totally - only a power
> > off/on to reboot is possible.
> > 
> > The same occurs if I use Nautilus for the copying.
> > 
> > However if I formatted the dvd-ram with ext2 filesystem, all went 
> > fine,
> > no problems.
> > 
> > I run Ubuntu 5.10 with kernel 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic on a Dell 
> > OPTIPLEX
> > GX620 (Intel P4 620, 1G RAM), the dvd-writer is a NEC ND-4550A 
> > (Firmware
> > 1.07), connected via USB2 with a Cypress Semiconductor Corp. 
> > USB-2.0 IDE
> > Adapter.
> 
> Strange: why do you run a amd64 kernel on a Pentium 4?

The Intel P4 630 (sic, the 620 in my original post was an error of mine,
sorry) has EM64T (Extended Memory 64 Technology) and the download page
of Ubuntu says that amd64 is the right architecture.

> I would check this out before investigating further.
> 
> Also check the output of syslog.

The system freezes a few seconds after starting the copying and after
reboot there is no specific entry in syslog.

> Why don't you post to Ubuntu?

I did in the forum but I didn't receive any answer. Perhaps I'll try in
the Ubuntu mailing list, too.

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Debian on i486

2006-07-25 Thread Leonid Grinberg

Hello,

I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I
thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how
I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should
expect to get? Obviously, Debian no longer supports i486, but perhaps
there is a way? I would prefer to run Testing, but considering the
cirumstances, I may have to settle for something else.

I would just like to get some advice about the project.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: No sound support for KDE

2006-07-25 Thread Markus Petermann
Hello,

John O'Hagan wrote:
> I suggest disabling the KDE sound system, to see if you can play 
> soundfiles with any apps that don't use it. 

I shutdowned KDE with "/etc/init.d/kdm" stop and tried "aplay
/usr/share/sound/...". Did not work.

> Try using the "Override device location" option in "Sound system > Hardware" 
> and make it something like "hw:0" or hw:1", (press "Apply" for each attempt 
> and see if the error message reappears). If these fail, try putting in the 
> path to your actual sound device - you'll have to hunt that down in /dev.

When I type "hw:1" I get the reported error message again. No effect
with "hw:0", but also no sound.

> Something that can also help to clearly define sound devices is to have a 
> ~.asoundrc file, which google will tell you about!

I have to check this one first. I tried the default configuration from

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php

and used aplay to play a WAV file, but this only causes an error:

aplay: set_params:906: Channels count non available

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Re: Debian on i486

2006-07-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Leonid Grinberg wrote:
> I am hopefully going to recieve an old i486 machine, and for kicks, I
> thought that it would be nice to install Debian. Does anyone know how
> I would go about doing this, as well as how much success I should
> expect to get? Obviously, Debian no longer supports i486, but perhaps
> there is a way? I would prefer to run Testing, but considering the
> cirumstances, I may have to settle for something else.

Install some older distribution from http://archive.debian.org/ and then you
can recompile for your computer.

Matej

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Re: Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?

2006-07-25 Thread Owen Heisler
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:20 -0500, Default User wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:02 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 12:13 -0500, Default User wrote:
> > > Is "Reply to List" blocked for "debian-user@lists.debian.org"?  
> > > 
> > > I tried and tries, but was unable to do a simple Reply to List, using
> > > Evolution 2.0.4 (the default email client) from Debian Stable.  Yet I
> > > can send a new message to the list just fine.
> > 
> > It works fine for me.  Are you using Ctrl+L?
> 
> I used the Relpy to List menu selection, didn't work. Now let me try
> Ctrl-L.  If the list got this, it worked. 

Heh heh, Evolution certainly isn't bug-free...


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