Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[Thorsten Ebeling]

Uwe Dippel wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:05:11 +0200, Thorsten Ebeling wrote:
> 
>> I use aptitude on Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable.
> 
> Gimme the *soft cushion* to poke him !
> Debian installs the local settings into ~/office
> On Sarge and Sid.
> 
Sorry, no: ~/office .
But there is: ~/.openoffice .
Saw it with my own eyes.


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Help ! "Kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage."

[Adam Felix Bogacki]

Hi,

   Running a routine 'update' and 'dist-upgrade' in unstable I found 
today that
'kernel-image-2.4.25-1-686' and associated files such as 
'kernel-headers' were
to be upgraded.

   I had previously found 'alsa-modules-2.4.25-1-686'  would not install
because a number of modules (the four files quoted in error messages had 
names ending in '.so') had "characters which could not be resolved".

   I assumed (hopefully) that this could have fixed this..

  At the end of the dist-upgrade I was told that reboot was necessary.

   I did so but found that the LILO screen had the message

"Lilo 22.5.8 (Debian) Boot menu

boot:
Loading Linux EBDA is big; Kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage."
  'df' had shown my /usr partition to be 100% but I thought I may 
be able
to sneak through after deleting 'ppp' & associated files - I use cable 
on this
system.

   I surmise that I should get in there and delete, delete, delete ... 
and try again. But I can't - I'm stuck with the same LILO error message 
whenever I try to reboot. I have had to send this message from my unused 
Win partition -
a bit like going back in time.

   Any constructive ideas appreciated.

Adam Bogacki,
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Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[Uwe Dippel]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:04:30 +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote:

> Debian installs the local settings into ~/office
> On Sarge and Sid.

Me stupid. He's quite right:
~/.openoffice/1.1.1





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Re: digital camera question

[steef]

Mike Chandler wrote:

On Thursday 15 April 2004 08:33 am, steef wrote:
 

H. S. wrote:
   

Apparently, _Mike Chandler_, on 04/15/04 10:09,typed:
 

Now, using Debian testing, with kernel 2.4.25-1-386, have installed
gphoto, (and the front end gtkam).
So I run gtkam and it will detect my camera, however there is an error:
Could not initialize camera.

If I try and use kde control center >peripherals >digital camera:

Unable to initialize camera. Check your port settings and camera
connectivity and try again.
My USB printer/scanner and USB mouse work fine.
I have searched, and searched, and the best I can come up with is USB
permissions, or needing SCSI emulation.
I know this can work, because it works in Mandrake.
Any ideas are appreciated.
Thanks.
   

I am running testing too (2.4.24-1-868), but I have gphoto2, not
gphoto, and I can grab pictures from a Canon A300 quite easily:
$> dpkg -l gphoto2 gtkam
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)

||/ Name   Version Description

+++-=-=-=
=
ii  gphoto2   2.1.4-2   The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client
ii  gtk   0.1.2-2   GTK+ application for digital still cameras
So I guess you should try installing gphoto2 and try again. Should work.

GL,
->HS
 

try usbmgr and usbview (debian) a try and the gphoto2 lib's

maybe it works it did with me.

you never know you never can tell...

g.l.

steef
   

Thanks for that, I tried to apt-get usbmgr, but it wanted to uninstall 
hotplug.
I'm not sure thats what I want to do, do I?
Here's what I have: 
gphoto2
libgphoto2
gtkam
digikam

Now, using digikam I can access the camera as root, but that's it.
gtkam won't access it at all.
Weird.
 

yep. that is exactly why i do not work with gtkam. i do not know 'why' 
but gtkam does not recognize my canon eos 300D. it talks: 'no camera'.

funny that usbmgr tries to uninstall hotplug.  after receipt of this 
message i did <$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug. my machine talked than:  
/sbin/hotplug
so hotplug  plus usbmgr seem to be both on my machine (sarge) without 
biting each other.

being of the adventurous type i should just let usbmgr let uninstall 
hotplug and see what happens. seeing with   as  $ and using 
usbmgr as # . 

i gonna install digikam. gonna see what is does. if it does something at 
all: i 'll let you know.

by the way: in my constellation i can too only as root download pictures 
from my wife's  eos 300D.

cheers,

steef

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Re: Help installing a JVM

[David Baron]

The new J2EE installs into /opt just as the openoffice does.

I have not file, just a .bash_profile.dpkg-dist in /etc/skel and one new user 
account I made. This is all commented.

Where else might PATH be set globaly?

BTW: OpenOffiice works as is, even after I took off the older jdk 
from /usr/share and installed the larger J2EE to /opt.

Jazz (java MIDI) does not come up.

On Friday 16 April 2004 01:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> Make sure you add the Java binary to your PATH environment
> variable or the Java applications will not find it.  I added the following
> to my "~/.bash_profile":
>
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/usr/lib/ICAClient:/usr/local/mozilla:/usr/local/bin/s
>navigator/bin:/home/jortega/Komodo-1.1:/home/jortega/OpenOffice.org1.0.1:/us
>r/java/j2sdk1.4.1_02/bin export JAVA_HOMEDIR="/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1_02"

Overclocked PIII and bootup option

[David Baron]

A fleeting message during bootup is: Assuming 33mhz   enter ide=xx

Since I am overclocking by PIII clunker, the ide is operating at 37.5mhz. 
Should I enter this value and where is it done? Harmful/harmless/leave-it-be?


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Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[steef]

Uwe Dippel wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:26:03 +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote:

 

The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
worked with 1.1.0).
   

Eureka !
This needed some hours of digging, though, therefore I put the recipe here
(for steef, as well).
The dictionaries have been moved to 
/usr/share/myspell/dicts
(Quite intelligent, I confess)

Since most are unavailable from Debian, you must pick
them up through OpenOffice. Roll up your sleeves. 
# /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice (root !) is how you start. 
Probably you'll have to set it up very basically. 
Don't enter any single thing, just make it go through. 
# /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice (root !)
Now OpenOffice opens up

Open the document
DicOOo.sxw
located in
/usr/share/myspell/dicts
This works pretty well; accept it is a macro and you go to your preferred
language (No, there is no documentation for this on www.openoffice.org.
Ooops, there is, but fully outdated. Don't bother.)
The document describes pretty well what to do (I refer to Dutch, at least).
You select the language*s* for which you'd like to add the spellchecker
and click yourself through (I needed 'doorgaan' some 5 times, though.
YMMV. Your language might, as well).
In order to test and use, I selected en-US, nl and Malay. Download and
install proceeded automtically. A great piece of software, this DicOOo.swx !
Once you're done, close down, including all quickstarters.
$ /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice
and the added languages show up. At least here. YMMV, again
Like, in my case, since only Dutch and English(US) can be
selected through Options - Language Settings - Languages
Malay simply isn't on the list of languages in OpenOffice !
It has been installed, though:
$ ls -l /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ms*
-rw-r--r--1 root root0 Apr 16 13:53 
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/ms_MY.aff
-rw-r--r--1 root root   153774 Apr 16 13:53 
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/ms_MY.dic
-rw-r--r--1 root root65052 Apr 16 13:53 
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/ms_MY.zip
I do wonder if this is a problem of Debian-OpenOffice or a generic one ?

Good luck,

Uwe

 

well, well, well, this wondrous electronic world.
that dictooo.swx file i had discovered, after the debian way flipped on 
my machine. 
i installed openoffice.org (debian, sarge) but it not get it to work as 
a . so i got fedup and went to the openoffice-website. further i 
spare you my   i got one version working now without further 
trouble i hope.

w'll see.

thanx for your crusade,

steef

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Re: digital camera question

[steef]

Mike Chandler wrote:

On Thursday 15 April 2004 04:20 pm, Christophe Barbe wrote:
 

Le jeu 15/04/2004 à 19:10, Mike Chandler a écrit :
   

Thanks Christophe!
Where exactly can I find the README.Debian file?
Please.
 

/usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian

Christophe
   

Man, thanks a lot!
That README file had in it what I needed:
Currently on a Debian system, the best way to allow normal users to use
gphoto2 is to add these users to the usb group and set the correct
permission in your /etc/fstab file with the following line:
none  /proc/bus/usb  usbdevfs devuid=0,devgid=102,devmode=0660 0 0

where 102 is the ID for example the usb group ID.
Then add your trusted users in this group:
	adduser user usb

 

thanks mike and christophe. i'll do that too.

steef

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Re: Root Password No Longer Works in KDE

[Scarletdown]

Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
Scarletdown wrote:
I have tried everything I could think of at the moment, short of doing 
the dreaded OS reinstall (apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system 
kde and apt-get --reinstall install kde did not fix it either.)  I 
would really prefer to not have to reinstall, since it took me forever 
the first time around to get the nVidia video drivers configured 
right, and I can't remember whether or not I took down notes on how I 
did it.

So, if anyone here can make sense of my rather rambling description of 
this root password problem, please give some advice on how to get 
things back to normal.  Thanks.


Just a random thought. Did you try changing LDAP (server/client) 
configuration? May be the difference between /etc/pam.d/su and 
/etc/pam.d/ssh would give you an idea.
I checked them out and discovered I had no idea whatsoever about what I 
should be looking for...  If it helps t-shooting this any, here's the 
contents of those files...



#
# The PAM configuration file for the Shadow `su' service
#
# Uncomment this to force users to be a member of group root
# before they can use `su'. You can also add "group=foo" to
# to the end of this line if you want to use a group other
# than the default "root".
# (Replaces the `SU_WHEEL_ONLY' option from login.defs)
# auth   required   pam_wheel.so
# Uncomment this if you want wheel members to be able to
# su without a password.
# auth   sufficient pam_wheel.so trust
# Uncomment this if you want members of a specific group to not
# be allowed to use su at all.
# auth   required   pam_wheel.so deny group=nosu
# This allows root to su without passwords (normal operation)
auth   sufficient pam_rootok.so
# Uncomment and edit /etc/security/time.conf if you need to set
# time restrainst on su usage.
# (Replaces the `PORTTIME_CHECKS_ENAB' option from login.defs
# as well as /etc/porttime)
# accountrequisite  pam_time.so
# The standard Unix authentication modules, used with
# NIS (man nsswitch) as well as normal /etc/passwd and
# /etc/shadow entries.
@include common-auth
@include common-account
@include common-session
# Sets up user limits, please uncomment and read /etc/security/limits.conf
# to enable this functionality.
# (Replaces the use of /etc/limits in old login)
# sessionrequired   pam_limits.so


# PAM configuration for the Secure Shell service

# Disallow non-root logins when /etc/nologin exists.
auth   required pam_nologin.so
# Read environment variables from /etc/environment and
# /etc/security/pam_env.conf.
auth   required pam_env.so # [1]
# Standard Un*x authentication.
@include common-auth
# Standard Un*x authorization.
@include common-account
# Standard Un*x session setup and teardown.
@include common-session
# Print the message of the day upon successful login.
sessionoptional pam_motd.so # [1]
# Print the status of the user's mailbox upon successful login.
sessionoptional pam_mail.so standard noenv # [1]
# Set up user limits from /etc/security/limits.conf.
sessionrequired pam_limits.so
# Standard Un*x password updating.
@include common-password


Additionally, after a little more tinkering, I managed to get gdm set up 
so I could once again log into the KDE desktop.  Just for more 
troubleshooting purposes, I again tried a root login, and this time was 
given the opportunity to see the error log before being dumped back to 
the login screen.  Here is what the error log showed...

/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp
/etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w 
/var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l 
":0" "root"
/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
startkde: Starting up...
The KDE libraries are not designed to run with suid privileges.
QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
The KDE libraries are not designed to run with suid privileges.
kdeinit: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused
The KDE libraries are not designed to run with suid privileges.
startkde: Shutting down...
Warning: connect() failed: : Connection refused
Error: Can't contact kdeinit!
startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
startkde: Done.

I'm suspecting that the bit about the KDE libraries not running with 
suid privileges has something to do with my inability to use su, sudo, 
or anything else requiring the root password while logged in as a 
non-root user.  So then, what needs to be changed so that I can perform 
root-level functions again?

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AW: Will the package search ever be available again?

[Simmel]

> 
> try http://packages.debian.org/
> 
> Frank
> 
> > 

Ah okay, that does it, thanks guys. I'm happy again.


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Re: ssh connection closed

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 04:42:40PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Could someone explain the following behavior, i.e. the fact that the
> ssh connection closes after 10 minutes? Until yesterday, I didn't
> have any problem (but my machine ay isn't connected by the same ADSL
> account). TIA.

Could be you've got an intermediate router that's dropping you, possibly
after ten minutes' idle time.

I'd added the following line to /etc/init.d/networking:


networking: # set keepalives to 5 minutes rather than 3 hours
networking: echo 300 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time

...to counter a similar problem.


If you're dealing with a *hard* session timeout of 10 minutes, I'd
advise you to learn to love screen.

Peace.

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Re: Dynamically increase/reduce hardware raid partition?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 10:05:25PM -0700, Alvin Oga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> hi ya
> 
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Michael Bellears wrote:
> 
> > I have just installed Debian 3 on a Smart Array 6400 (4 disks (146.8G
> > each) Raid 5) - This gives me a data partition of 409G.
> 
> that's pretty bad ... i'd have expected somewhere around 3x 146gb
> of usable space

That's what he got, Alvin, if you'd do your math:

  146.8 * 3 * 0.95 == 418.38

The results above indicate about an 8% reserve.  That's pretty much
standard.  Of course, a few percent of several hundred GiB is still
several GiB, but my understanding is that you _want_ this reserve to
allow for keeping file fragmentation low.


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Re: iptables

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

dircha (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Umar Draz wrote:
>> i am new to debian! but have experience of redhat and freebsd,
>> solaris now in redhat when i use iptables in redhat a file create in
>  > /etc/sysconfig/iptables where all rules save now my question in
>> debian where iptables rules save?
> 
> [...]
> 
> Alternatively, if you are running stable/woody, there should be a
> script: /etc/init.d/iptables that provides for saving and restoring of
> tables to be automated at system startup and shutdown.

The script loads the saved rules at boot time, but it doesn't save them
automatically. Instead, you can do this yourself. Configure the rules
you wanto to use, and run "/etc/init.d/iptables save active". Running
/etc/init.d/iptables start will load the rules. You should also run
/etc/init.d/iptables save incative with no rules. The "no rules"
configuration will be loaded when "/etc/init.d/iptables stop" is run.
The configurations are saved in /var/lib/iptables.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Debian unstable: X won't run.

[Markus Lindström]

Well, the only thing I changed were the vertical and horizontal refresh 
rates (I got them from my screen manufacturer's website). Once that was 
done, X ran without problems.

Hope this helps!
//Markus.
The Packers wrote:
Hi, I'm having the same problem that you said you fixed in Debian 
unstable. What did you change in XF86Config-4?
 
Thanks for any assistance.
 
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Audio HOWTO?

[Markus Lindström]

Hi there,

I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for 
getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and 
have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know what 
packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to begin.

Thanks in advance,
Markus.
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Re: Audio HOWTO?

[Mike Chandler]

On Friday 16 April 2004 01:52 am, Markus Lindström wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for
> getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and
> have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know what
> packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to begin.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Markus.

Hi Marcus,
I have the same setup as you, and what I have found, by installing and 
re-installing several times, using sarge netinst 100mb CD.
1) My sound card is ALWAYS detected and the proper module (emu10k1) is loaded.
2) In each install, I have had to simply add my user to the "audio" group.
3) no further fussing has been required.

Hope this helps!

Re: Mozilla 1.6 not printing anything

[steef]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:

I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.6-4 on Debian/unstable. When ever 
I print anything through mozilla. nothing goes to printer. In case I 
print to a file, the file is created but if I send the file to printer 
with the command "lpr mozilla.ps", still nothing prints out.

I am able to print normally using lpr command and Openoffice also 
prints without any problem.

Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
JSS

try installing cups. it works for me on sarge, allthough not as perfect 
as under woody

steef

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Need secure kernel for stable/testing machine.

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

I'm running stable/testing (mostly testing), but would like to run a nice,
secure kernel!

The latest kernel security advisory shows the following security matrix:

The following security matrix explains which kernel versions for which
architecture are already fixed.  Kernel images in the unstable Debian
distribution (sid) will be fixed soon.

Architecturestable (woody) unstable (sid)removed in sid
source  2.4.18-14.32.4.25-3  --
alpha   2.4.18-15  soon  --
i3862.4.18-13.1soon  --
i386bf  2.4.18-5woody8 soon  --
powerpc 2.4.18-1woody5 2.4.25-8  2.4.22

The problem is that the woody kernels won't compile with my more recent
versions of gcc. Also I don't know where to get the sid sources (!). Is
it recommended/ok to run sid kernels, or are these truly 'unstable'?

Thanks for any advice. Please cc me off-list as I get the digest.

Thanks
Rory

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RE: branding debian releases

[Simmel]

Hi 2gether,

I read your posts with great interest and I wonder if there might be a
chance to overthink the strategy the Debian People setup once (maybe not at
this moment but in the far future).

You know, I'm also quite a newbie with Debian, and YES the strategy is quite
confusing. And as I read in several posts, even advanced users have
different opinions about what stable/unstable/testing means. Also I would
like to bring back a sentence someone said here (can't find the post now
there are too many already *lol*). If you are into a subject so deep, you
fail to think like the "normal" or "newbie" user. That's a good point here!

So why not think about using a strategy that almost every company uses
(although Debian isn't one), e.g. Redhat, SuSe, even Microdoft...
For me as a user and systems administrator something like this would be much
much better.

Why not do it this way?

enterprise - this is for servers only - not much GUI/ focused on servers/
networking,routing/ multiple cpus/driver support and so on

workstation - this is for home users and workplaces - not much server stuff
here/ focused on multimedia/ x-server/ openoffice and so on

sandbox - (I like that word, Monique :-) this can stay the same and is meant
for people who would like to help the Debian project with further releases,
simply a sandbox to play with to find and report bugs. (maybe there
should be two then, something like E-sandbox, for the enterprise stuff, and
W-sandbox for the workstation part)

THIS would really be a great change for the better in my eyes.

-Everybody who needs a server will choose enterprise
-Everybody who needs a desktop system will choose workstation
-Everybody who would like to be part of the party would choose sandbox

And yes, the enterprise version should really differ from the workstation
one..!

Of course this is a lot of work, but I think it would encourage more people
to use Debian, and I guess that's one of the goals here isn't it?

Just some thoughts I had reading all your posts.

Greets from Germany,
Simmel

P.S.: And while I'm on it, plez enhance the installation routine,
something like a graphical interface. This takes the fear off most users.
Take a look at SuSe and Redaht and you'll know what I mean. I know that
there are also a lot of small things which aren't good, like the package
selection, those are far better in Debian. But the "blue screen" :-P is
really annoying and confusing. My first installtion were more like 3 1/2
installations, if you catch my drift.



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Re: debian to logon ms exchange server

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 01:09:02PM -0400, Adam Aube ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> lunardancer wrote:
> 
> > I'm a new linux user, the first important thing I'm facing is, to access
> > company exchange server.  My company have a web access exchange, I paste
> > the IP http://xx.xx.xx.xx/exchange to mozilla and an authorization window
> > appear, but I cannot get access with my domain/user/passwd.  In windows
> > after I logon to the domain, all ok.
> 
> Sounds like the Exchange web access is set to only allow NTLM (aka Windows
> Integrated) authentication. You'll need to talk with your Exchange server
> admin and see if they will turn on Basic authentication for you.
> 
> If they won't, there is a program called NTLM Authorization Proxy Server
> (apserver.sourceforge.net) that may solve your problem. It converts basic
> authentication to NTLM for use with proxy/web servers that only support
> NTLM authentication.

I'm talking through my hat here, but three bits of possibly useful info:

  - winbind, part of Samba, is used in parts of GNU/Linux / legacy MS
Windows authentication.  This might be of use here, though I think
I'm off on this one.

  - AFAIK, there are only a limited subset of connection methods
available for GNU/Linux <=> Exchange servers, without third-party
add-ons.  That would be POP3 and _possibly_ IMAP support.  Again,
I've got very little experience here.

  - There are third party add-on modules which provide full Exchange <=>
GNU/Linux interoperability, as far as mail and messaging go.
Calendars are still a black art.  Ximian Connector (now from Novell
I suppose) and Samsung Contact (IIRC) are the two leaders.


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Mounting an NTFS partition: users can't access it.

[Markus Lindström]

Hi there again,

I'm having some rouble mounting my NTFS partition. The actual mounting 
problem goes without trouble, the thing is that only the superuser can 
actually access the drive.

How can I change this?

Thanks in advance,
Markus.
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Re: Help installing a JVM

[Alexander Verbovetsky]

> How do I get a JVM to install?  I have only found dummy packages, and
> when I downloaded and ran Sun's SDK, it didn't seem to install
> properly - or at least the Java apps don't see it.

http://z42.de/debian/
works smoothly (for me).

Cheers,
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Re: branding debian releases

[Pete Clarke]

> P.S.: And while I'm on it, plez enhance the installation routine,
> something like a graphical interface. This takes the fear off most users.

Personally I like the current Woody installer :-)
I find it quick and easy to use - runs nicely on older hardware due to not
having the overhead of any kind of GUI.
If you are only brought up in the GUI world of Windows, then I guess it will
be a little disconcerting at first, but it's not hard to pick up.

> Take a look at SuSe and Redaht and you'll know what I mean. I know that
> there are also a lot of small things which aren't good, like the package
> selection, those are far better in Debian. But the "blue screen" :-P is
> really annoying and confusing. My first installtion were more like 3 1/2
> installations, if you catch my drift.

At least the task selector and dselect do a good job of resolving any
dependancies whilst installing - I have had loads of problems with Red Hat
(although I have not installed it recently) and broken packages due to
missing libraries etc.

Also, how many people in the Windows world actually install their own OS? I
suspect *most* buy a computer with it pre-installed, or take it to a shop
for upgrades - the few that do it themsleves would have little problem with
the current installation of Debian.
Without wishing to sound too evangelical, I have had fewer issues installing
Debian on a variety of hardware than I have had installing Windows - in
fact, my main workstation refuses to run with Windows 2000, so has a nice
copy of Woody + backports instead.

...just my 2p :-)

Cheers,



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Re: Mozilla 1.6 not printing anything

[J.S.Sahambi]

steef wrote:
J.S.Sahambi wrote:

I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.6-4 on Debian/unstable. When ever 
I print anything through mozilla. nothing goes to printer. In case I 
print to a file, the file is created but if I send the file to printer 
with the command "lpr mozilla.ps", still nothing prints out.

I am able to print normally using lpr command and Openoffice also 
prints without any problem.



try installing cups. it works for me on sarge, allthough not as perfect 
as under woody

I am already using cups and it functions correctly with other 
applications. Here is the output of "dpkg -l|grep cups"

:~$ dpkg -l|grep cups
ii  cupsys 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD 
comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  libcupsimage2  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
image libs
ii  libcupsys2 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
ii  libcupsys2-dev 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
development



Any suggestions?

thanks
JSS
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Re: system wide fix for 'max user processes'/RLIMIT_NPROC?

[Brian Brazil]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 02:10:37PM -0600, Michael Loftis wrote:
> For whatever reason debian stable somewhere somehow defaults to a 
> RLIMIT_NPROC (max user processes) of 256.  This is fine for a desktop but 
> absurd for a server.  I have yet to find a good way to fix this, but I 
> still don't see what is changing it.  It should be something like 7000 on 
> the machines I'm trying to fix it on, so something inside of debian is 
> changing it.  My unstable boxes do not show this behaviour (they come up 
> with unlimited, which is fine for my servers except my shell server).
> 
> I can't find where the heck this is getting set, nor even where to change 
> it.  Something is setting it different from the kernel default of 
> max_threads / 2 (see kernel/fork.c) but i'll be deviled if i can find what. 
> I can and do use pam_limits.so/limits.conf for logins, but for daemon 
> startup I need to fix this and know it's not ending up at 256.
> 
> any help/ideas?

/etc/pam.d pam_ulimit.so
/etc/security/limits.conf

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Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:08:49PM -0700, wex wrote:
> Actually the  very  first thing I did was download the new sarge 2 weeks
> ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations.  And I will say
> this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta installer.

Yup.

> It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go into; plus; it
> seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy although there was
> an expert mode I did not use.  In particular the bootloader process
> was f$cked

In what way was it broken? There were some errata in beta3, should be
fixed in beta4.

> I don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i
> am sure there is an important underlying reason,

It had become impossible to maintain or significantly extend the old
one, and the old installer was built in such a way as to discourage all
but the most dedicated developers.

> but it is unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution
> to install harder.

We've in fact had many reports saying "this is much easier than the
woody installer". Of course there are bugs, not helped by trying to
track a distribution in development, but they're generally stomped on
pretty quickly.

> By the way what I don't understand is why sarge isn't coming with an
> option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants the 2.4 kernel at this
> point?

Quite a few people, actually. However, 2.6 support has been added
recently; it's still raw, but sarge should release with a 2.6 option at
least on i386, maybe powerpc as well.

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Re: Mounting an NTFS partition: users can't access it.

[Micha Feigin]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Markus Lindstr?m wrote:
> Hi there again,
> 
> I'm having some rouble mounting my NTFS partition. The actual mounting 
> problem goes without trouble, the thing is that only the superuser can 
> actually access the drive.
> 
> How can I change this?
> 

Try adding the umask=0002 option (or possibly umask=).

> Thanks in advance,
> Markus.
> 
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Re: ssh connection closed

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-04-16 01:26:52 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> Could be you've got an intermediate router that's dropping you,
> possibly after ten minutes' idle time.

If this is possible, then it could probably be the case, since the
problems appeared after moving to a different ADSL connection (using
a different ADSL router) -- but last time such a problem appeared
with this router, this was just a coincidence.

> I'd added the following line to /etc/init.d/networking:
> 
> networking: # set keepalives to 5 minutes rather than 3 hours
> networking: echo 300 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time
> 
> ...to counter a similar problem.

But the problem with keepalive is that the ssh connection is dropped
after an ADSL reconnection (every 24 hours). That's why I disabled it
several months ago (though it didn't always work).

> If you're dealing with a *hard* session timeout of 10 minutes, I'd
> advise you to learn to love screen.

Yes, I already use it, but these closed connections are still annoying.

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Mozilla 1.6-5 not printing anything

[J.S.Sahambi]

I am using Debian/unstable.
Recently after an upgrade, mozilla has stopped printing. When I print a 
page from mozilla, it sends a ps file to printer and nothing gets 
printed. My printer is HP2300TN and I am using cups for printing. The 
output of dpkg -l|grep cups is given below:

$ dpkg -l |grep cups

ii  cupsys 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD 
comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  libcupsimage2  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
image libs
ii  libcupsys2 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
ii  libcupsys2-dev 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
developmen

The output of dpkg -l|grep mozilla is given below:

$ dpkg -l |grep mozilla

ii  acroread-plugi 5.08-woody0.0  Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader plugin for 
mozilla /
ii  mozilla1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - dummy package
ii  mozilla-browse 1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
rc  mozilla-firefo 0.8-8  lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
ii  mozilla-mailne 1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - mail and news 
support
ii  mozilla-psm1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - Personal 
Security Mana
ii  mozilla-xft1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - Xft support files
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/files/doc/dept/ec320-syllabus-revision$

The commandline print (lpr) works very fine. Other applications like 
openoffice, etc., can print without a problem.

The interesting point is that if I print a webpage to "file" and then 
send that ps file to printer with lpr, the printer then also does not 
prints anything.

All I can understand is that mozilla is sending some thing into the ps 
file which the pritner cannot understand and so it prints nothing(Am I 
right?).

Is any other person facing the same problem?

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
JSS
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Re: Mozilla 1.6 not printing anything

[Adam Funk]

On Friday 16 April 2004 11:20, J.S.Sahambi wrote:

> steef wrote:
>> J.S.Sahambi wrote:
>> 
>>> I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.6-4 on Debian/unstable. When
>>> ever I print anything through mozilla. nothing goes to printer. In
>>> case I print to a file, the file is created but if I send the file
>>> to printer with the command "lpr mozilla.ps", still nothing prints
>>> out.
>>>
>>> I am able to print normally using lpr command and Openoffice also
>>> prints without any problem.
>>>
> 
> 
>> try installing cups. it works for me on sarge, allthough not as
>> perfect as under woody
>> 
> I am already using cups and it functions correctly with other
> applications. Here is the output of "dpkg -l|grep cups"

I had various printing problems and settled on the combination of
cupsys, cupsys-bsd and magicfilter.  Do you have apsfilter or
magicfilter installed?

After installing magicfilter, you have to
run /usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig (as root) to set up /etc/printcap.


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Re: Mozilla 1.6 not printing anything

[hugo vanwoerkom]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:
I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.6-4 on Debian/unstable. When ever I 
print anything through mozilla. nothing goes to printer. In case I print 
to a file, the file is created but if I send the file to printer with 
the command "lpr mozilla.ps", still nothing prints out.

I am able to print normally using lpr command and Openoffice also prints 
without any problem.

Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
JSS

What does /var/log/cups/error.log have in it?
If nothing set /etc/cups/cupsd.conf loglevel to "debug" and try again.
Does Mozilla show a popup saying something like "Composing..." when you 
print or nothing?

If nothing have you tried installing xprt-xprintorg?

Hugo

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Re: xfree and windowmaker

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 08:15:35PM +0200, kevin thackray wrote:
> not load font 
> -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,-*-*-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*. 
> Trying fixed.
> /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/WPrefs.app/WPrefs warning: could 
> not load font 
> -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,-*-*-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*. 
> Trying fixed.
> /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/WPrefs.app/WPrefs warning: could 
> not load font 
> -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,-*-*-medium-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-*. 
> Trying fixed.
> Eterm:  Error:  Unable to load font 
> "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-56-iso8859-1".  
> Falling back on "fixed"
> 
> 
> 

I have noticed that this has to do with locales also. If I have
latin-15, then forget it, several window managers (afterstep, fvwm,
etc) will refuse with the same  crap. Windowmaker
refuses also, but is the less picky.
Don know any more.


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Re: Module /usr/src/modules/bcm4400 failed (ahh no network)

[Katipo]

wex wrote:

 Actually the very first thing I did was download the new sarge 2
 weeks ago, and I did so with excitement and high expectations. And I
 will say this for other people's benefit it is definitely a beta
 installer. It gave me a various range of problems that I won't go
 into; plus; it seems as though it actually gave me less autonomy
 although there was an expert mode I did not use.
Hello Wex,

I'm doing the same thing at the moment.
I didn't discover tha various boot options initially, because they were 
hidden behind a 'help' menu.
I think this is a bug. 'Help' should be one of the options listed in a 
'Boot Options' menu.
There is an installer report which I am filling out and forwarding.
Perhaps you should do the same.
Debian-boot, the list/group whose main objective is the implementation 
of this installer, are after all the feedback they can get.
I think that relatively inexperienced users like you and I have a part 
to play in this, because those that are continuously immersed in an 
environment, quite often don't see the forest for the trees, and are 
hunting feedback from the perception of those users who more closely 
resemble the typical enduser, in order that the installer has as wide an 
application as possible.

 In particular the bootloader process was f$cked and it caused me some
 serious annoyances as it either would not work at all
Yes, this one caused me problems also.
When it came to loading Grub, the screen 'progression meter' started at 
40%, and stayed there.
I thought that I must have burnt a bad disc, or got a bad iso, so I 
downloaded again (109MB on 56K), and burnt it to another brand new disc, 
to eradicate variables. Same thing. On the sixth install, (in the 
meantime finding 'expert' and trying to bypass the problem by loading 
Lilo, which failed, throwing me back into the Grub install), I decided 
to give it some serious time, and went and made a pot of tea. Came back 
in time to see the screen throw over into the end of the install.
But when you have a means of marking progress in a situation, and it 
starts at 40%, stays there, and then goes into the next phase of the 
operation without moving, it's useless. You may as well get rid of it, 
and just put something like,-"Grub is being loaded now. This may take 
some time. Please wait..."
A meter is  useless if it doesn't meter.

 which really becomes a problem when you are working with a laptop
 that has no floppy to boot from or when it did work it over wrote my
 windows MBR screwing up my windows(shh don't tell anyone) install. I
 don't know what the exact intent was in re-doing the installer and i
 am sure there is an important underlying reason, but it is
 unfortunate that it makes the already hardest distribution to install
 harder. Debian vexes me so...Such a great distribution yet sometimes
 it can be such a hassle to install. I hope the end result of this
 revamp will prove to be worthy. Maybe it is just my own lack of
 knowledge but I just don't believe it should be this hard...Anyways I
 could go on and onBy the way what I don't understand is why sarge
 isn't coming with an option to load the 2.6 kernel, who really wants
 the 2.4 kernel at this point?
The 2.4.25 does come with some nice options.

Regards,

David.

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Re: Audio HOWTO?

[Markus Lindström]

Hmmm... Doesn't seem to work! I don't get any sound, even as root.
Which kernel modules are needed to make it work? And what else could be 
the trouble?

//Markus.

Mike Chandler wrote:
On Friday 16 April 2004 01:52 am, Markus Lindström wrote:

Hi there,

I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for
getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and
have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know what
packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to begin.
Thanks in advance,
Markus.


Hi Marcus,
I have the same setup as you, and what I have found, by installing and 
re-installing several times, using sarge netinst 100mb CD.
1) My sound card is ALWAYS detected and the proper module (emu10k1) is loaded.
2) In each install, I have had to simply add my user to the "audio" group.
3) no further fussing has been required.

Hope this helps!


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Can't use synaptic and other stuff as regular user

[Markus Lindström]

Hi there,

I have another problem. I've installed KDE, and I've installed Synaptic. 
The problem that occurs is that I can only launch Synaptic if I've 
logged in as root, it doesn't work even if I've used 'su' in a Konsole 
session on my own account. It seems X can only generate the windows if 
I'm logged in as root.

Any way to circumvent this?

Thanks in advance,
//Markus.
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Re: Can't use synaptic and other stuff as regular user

[John Harrold]

Sometime in April Markus Lindström assaulted the keyboard and produced:

| Hi there,
| 
| I have another problem. I've installed KDE, and I've installed Synaptic. 
| The problem that occurs is that I can only launch Synaptic if I've 
| logged in as root, it doesn't work even if I've used 'su' in a Konsole 
| session on my own account. It seems X can only generate the windows if 
| I'm logged in as root.

are you sure you exported your display as root and xhosted the computer?

#as root:
export DISPLAY=localhost:0

#as a normal user:
xhost +localhost

also, have you tried sshing to the computer with xforwarding?

ssh -X localhost

you might have to change the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

#from:
X11Forwarding no

#to:
X11Forwarding yes


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Re: branding debian releases

[Antony Gelberg]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:22:22AM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:59:49 -0600
> "Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My understanding of the 'testing' distribution is in conflict with your
> > description.  Testing is the last to receive security updates, and I
> > believe it is more prone to wide-ranging package bugs than is unstable.
> > I see it more as a developer sandbox than a live distribution.
> > 
> > Am I wrong?
> 
> No, you're quite correct; and it's a point that's missing from most
> of this discussion.  Testing is a box into which the components of
> the next release are being collected; at any given time, some of the
> components -- even ones which will be vital to the release -- may
> not be present at all, or may not be useful because of problems
> (security bugs) where the fixed component is still being tested
> (is still in unstable and hasn't made it down to testing yet).
> This is less true as we get close to release; but in the middle
> of the release cycle, it's quite common.  All one has to do is
> search the archives of this list to find many many posts asking
> why GNOME in testing doesn't work right, why KDE in testing is
> completely unusable at all, etc.; followed by the usual explanations
> of what testing is.

I concur totally.  I think that this point could really do
with some explanation on http://www.debian.org/releases [1] and
http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/ [2] which if anything, perpetuate
the myth that testing is more stable than unstable.  I think the only
good reason to run testing is if you are willing to help find problems
in a potential release.

A

[1] testing: The testing distribution contains packages that haven't
been accepted into a stable release yet, but they are in the queue for
that. The main advantage of using this distribution is that it has more
recent versions of software, and the main disadvantage is that it's not
completely tested and has no official support from Debian security team.

unstable: The unstable distribution is where active development of
Debian occurs. Generally, this distribution is run by developers and
those who like to live on the edge.

[2] This release started as a copy of woody, and is currently in a state
called testing. That means that things should not break as bad as in
unstable or experimental distributions, because packages are allowed to
enter this distribution only after a certain period of time has passed,
and when they don't have any release-critical bugs filed against them.


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Mail Server Design

[Mariano Wahlmann]

I need some help, on designing a mail server solution (structure), my
request are:

-Users 4000+ aprox. with a growth rate of 20/users by month.
-Each user has 15Mb of inbox.
-Accesible by POP3 / IMAP (Only for Webmail who resides in other server)
-Mail list (some of 4000+ users)

I need a design solution for the server in wich resides mailboxes.

I have two proposal:

1- One big expensive server with 1 SCSI disk, two processors.
2- Several cheaps servers, dividing mailboxes across servers.

which is best solution?

Thanks.


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AW: branding debian releases

[Simmel]

Hi Pete :-)

>
> Personally I like the current Woody installer :-)

I dislike the old and miserable/poor look of it, reminds me of old dos boxes
or a blue screen :-)
I dislike the poor information you sometimes get out of it (not true for
every inst. step though)

> I find it quick and easy to use - runs nicely on older
> hardware due to not
> having the overhead of any kind of GUI.

You got me there, keep the old look for old systems, bring up a new look for
new systems with 128mb gfx memory, a nice optical mouse and enough sys mem
to run 15 xservers at a time.

> If you are only brought up in the GUI world of Windows, then
> I guess it will
> be a little disconcerting at first, but it's not hard to pick up.
>

No I'm not I used VC20, C64, Amiga500, HP-UX Systems, Macintosh, PPC and
PC's... but I'm glad that we have such powerful systems now, so why stick to
the old crap?

>
> At least the task selector and dselect do a good job of resolving any
> dependancies whilst installing - I have had loads of problems
> with Red Hat
> (although I have not installed it recently) and broken packages due to
> missing libraries etc.
>

I don't argue only on the functionality I argue on the looks. I never used
dselect because I still fear doing something wrong. I'm a little bit angry
when I know that on other systems like rh I simply press the mouse button
and i can (de)select packages without writing down 10 fancy keystrokes, this
is too time consuming. Reminds me of my first experiences with vi. Time is
an issue and also the easy-to-install thing. So whenever dselect pops up and
asks if it should be run I'm like "HELL NO!!!"

At the moment I even won't use tasksel but only install basic system and
then run the apt-get. But remember, I'm talking about the first experience
with debian, not people like you who are used to it.

May sound lazy too, and yes I'm a lazy guy. If my boss tells me to setup an
apache server and tells me to use debian because the cust would like to have
especially this distri well heck I'm stuck in the installation routine for
hours trying to figure out how dselect works. GREAT :-( And the main part,
installing apache, isn't even done yet (this was my first experience with
Debian). I know to work with apache, but I don'T know how to install Debian,
never seen it before. First time I saw RH and SuSe using X-Server installs I
was like YES M$ gets their ASS kicked, this is almost too simple! Everybody
can handle that easily!


> Also, how many people in the Windows world actually install
> their own OS? I
> suspect *most* buy a computer with it pre-installed, or take
> it to a shop
> for upgrades - the few that do it themsleves would have
> little problem with
> the current installation of Debian.
> Without wishing to sound too evangelical, I have had fewer
> issues installing
> Debian on a variety of hardware than I have had installing
> Windows - in
> fact, my main workstation refuses to run with Windows 2000,
> so has a nice
> copy of Woody + backports instead.

I install every system on my own and I doubt that someone like my sister
would be able to do a successfull installtion with debian and X. But she
succesfully reinstalled win2000 on her own, without me even knowing it
sorry you can't seriously tell me that it's simpler to install debian then
wintendo, ah c'mon ;o) (we don't have to talk about the os itself,
I'm on your side I hate this crash and burn system ;-)

And to get away from M$ ("winzigweich") you should try a RH and SuSe install
and then judge for yourself. which install looks nicer? which installer
is simpler to use for the average user? which installer has tons of
information on any subject you can click with your mouse?

but when it comes to the question which distri is the better one, I'm the
first one screaming DEBIAN, because it's a hell of a distri, but still the
installer is a thorn in my eye and as I remember there was an article
posted recently, and the guy there also said that the installer is crappy,
I'd have to agree here

To make this ONTOPIC again, THEREFORE I wrote my mail to all of you and I
think if you see this from the User's view without any politics in it, just
count the facts, the debian installer looks like a golden girl amongst
teenagers... and also the debian distribution looks "old-fashioned"
then, for people who are not willing to spend hours just to get it
installed. and that's a shame, because the spirit behind this whole
project is really really good...

Well just my personal thought,
Simmel


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Re: 2.6 kernel causing X to hang?

[Bob Billson]

> > a couple days ago, i upgraded from the 2.4.6 kernel to the 2.6.4
> > kernel.  figured out a couple problems, and all seemed smooth.
> >
> > however, twice today -- both initially while using a java IDE -- X has
> > frozen, leaving whatever was last on the screen displayed up there and
> > not showing the results of me doing anything to it. 

I can echo similar problems since switching to 2.6.4 and now 2.6.5.  This
is on a Debian box running the testing tree.  I more often experience the
lock-up when GDM is running and no users logged it.  Sometimes when I try
to log in via X the machine will lock up tight as soon as I hit ENTER after
entering my password.  GDM never exits and I can't get to any virtual
console.  Sometimes the magic SysRq works to reboot, sometimes not.  And
sometimes the machine is locked up and I can't type my user name.
It seems to be totally random when it happens.

And to make it more interesting, sometimes (though less often) X will lock
up while I'm using it.

I'm not sure if this is a kernel or X problem.  It never happens if I
switch back to 2.4.25.

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Re: Audio HOWTO?

[Olle Eriksson]

> >>I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for
> >>getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and
> >>have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know
> >> what packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to
> >> begin.
> >
> > Hi Marcus,
> > I have the same setup as you, and what I have found, by installing
> > and re-installing several times, using sarge netinst 100mb CD.
> > 1) My sound card is ALWAYS detected and the proper module (emu10k1)
> > is loaded. 2) In each install, I have had to simply add my user to
> > the "audio" group. 3) no further fussing has been required.
>
> Hmmm... Doesn't seem to work! I don't get any sound, even as root.
> Which kernel modules are needed to make it work? And what else could be
> the trouble?

If you are using ALSA, remember to run alsamixer and unmute the channels 
that are muted.

Olle


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Re: Antivirus (with exim+courier-imap+fetchmail)

[Andy Firman]

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 03:56:06PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Thomas Halahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > 4) Probably more configurations I had not thought of.
> >
> > My budget is small, maybe $100.  
> > My question is therefore, what sort of suggestions people have to apply 
> > antivirus scanning?
> 
> This is the one I've been mailing to idiots who bounce viruses instead
> of rejecting them...
> 
> http://ursine.ca/article.pl?sid=04/04/11/1127234

If one has exim4-daemon-heavy and denies any MS executeables with 
this in the /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/40_exim4-config_check_data:
deny message = $found_extension files are not accepted here
  demime = bat:btm:cmd:com:cpl:dll:exe:lnk:msi:pif:prf:reg:scr:vbs:url:zip

Isn't that good enough for small Windows networks and users that don't
use zip files?  (my users certainly don't need .exe files, .bat files, etc...)

Or should I learn how to use clamav?
Just wondering if I am missing something. 

Andy



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Re: Audio HOWTO?

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Markus Lindström (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> Mike Chandler wrote:
>> On Friday 16 April 2004 01:52 am, Markus Lindström wrote:
>> 
>>>I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for
>>>getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and
>>>have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know
>>>what packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to
>>>begin.
>>>
>> I have the same setup as you, and what I have found, by installing
>> and re-installing several times, using sarge netinst 100mb CD.
>> 1) My sound card is ALWAYS detected and the proper module (emu10k1)
>> is loaded. 2) In each install, I have had to simply add my user to
>> the "audio" group. 3) no further fussing has been required.
>>
> Hmmm... Doesn't seem to work! I don't get any sound, even as root.
> Which kernel modules are needed to make it work? And what else could
> be the trouble?

You need the emu10k1 module. Try to load it:
modprobe emu10k1

To load it at boot time, try

echo emu10k1 >> /etc/modules

To load it when it is needed, add a line

alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1

to /etc/modutils/aliases (Kernel 2.4) or /etc/modprobe.d/aliases (Kernel
2.6) and run update-modules

Grüße
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Can't use synaptic and other stuff as regular user

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

John Harrold (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Sometime in April Markus Lindström assaulted the keyboard and
> produced:
> 
> | I have another problem. I've installed KDE, and I've installed
> | Synaptic. The problem that occurs is that I can only launch Synaptic
> | if I've logged in as root, it doesn't work even if I've used 'su' in
> | a Konsole session on my own account. It seems X can only generate
> | the windows if I'm logged in as root.
> 
> are you sure you exported your display as root and xhosted the
> computer?
> 
> #as root:
> export DISPLAY=localhost:0
> 
> #as a normal user:
> xhost +localhost

Instead, you could try this:

export XAUTHORITY=/home/markus/.Xauthority

If su doesn't open a login shell (su -), DISPLAY is already set.

> also, have you tried sshing to the computer with xforwarding?
> 
> ssh -X localhost
> 
> you might have to change the line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
> 
> #from:
> X11Forwarding no
> 
> #to:
> X11Forwarding yes

This should work, but for KDE users, there is much better way. Simply
run

kdesu synaptic

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Audio HOWTO?

[Katipo]

On Friday 16 April 2004 01:52 am, Markus Lindström wrote:

Hi there,

I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for
getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and
have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know what
packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to begin.
Hello Markus,

Download the alsa packages.
Synaptic will give you fairly full descriptions of them.
Run alsaconf, which will install the snd_emu10k1 module for you.
I think the straight emu10k1 only works with the OSS setup, which is 
inferior, and I had a lot of trouble installing, anyway.
Then run alsamixer, unmuting the channels appropriate for your 
particular setup.
There is another package called alsamixergui, which will give you handy 
access from the desktop if you think you need it.
Make sure you are added to the user group, log out and back in again, 
and you should have sound.
There is some good information on the alsa site, which google will give you.
Regards,

David.

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Re: branding debian releases

[Pete Clarke]

> I dislike the old and miserable/poor look of it, reminds me of old dos
boxes
> or a blue screen :-)
> I dislike the poor information you sometimes get out of it (not true for
> every inst. step though)

Isn't this down to personal preference tho' - the last time I installed RH
or Mandrake it had a console only mode as an option...

> No I'm not I used VC20, C64, Amiga500, HP-UX Systems, Macintosh, PPC and
> PC's... but I'm glad that we have such powerful systems now, so why stick
to
> the old crap?

:-) The "old crap" really flies on new hardware, this is the same as having
faster CPU's and loading the latest M$ OS that requires more resources...

> I don't argue only on the functionality I argue on the looks. I never used
> dselect because I still fear doing something wrong. I'm a little bit angry

Wrong in what way?? I always found dselect very straightforward..
Select a package, read the description and choose to install it or not .. it
automatically tells you if there are
dependencies and resolves them for you. Nice and simple.

> when I know that on other systems like rh I simply press the mouse button
> and i can (de)select packages without writing down 10 fancy keystrokes,
this
> is too time consuming. Reminds me of my first experiences with vi. Time is

But I don't have a mouse on my headless servers... :-)

> an issue and also the easy-to-install thing. So whenever dselect pops up
and
> asks if it should be run I'm like "HELL NO!!!"
>At the moment I even won't use tasksel but only install basic system and
> then run the apt-get. But remember, I'm talking about the first experience
> with debian, not people like you who are used to it.

To be honest I don't use Tasksel either ... I also do the basic install then
dselect or apt-get (depending on what I am installing).  But I don't see it
being a problem.

> May sound lazy too, and yes I'm a lazy guy. If my boss tells me to setup
an
> apache server and tells me to use debian because the cust would like to
have
> especially this distri well heck I'm stuck in the installation routine for
> hours trying to figure out how dselect works. GREAT :-( And the main part,

..install a basic system (< 10 mins) then apt-get install apache! :-)

> I install every system on my own and I doubt that someone like my sister

Likewise .. I have installed every computer I have owned since 1995 (ish)..

> would be able to do a successfull installtion with debian and X. But she
> succesfully reinstalled win2000 on her own, without me even knowing it

My wife managed to install Debian, and she is not the most computer literate
person around...she likes to play Majong and a few other things, writes the
odd letter etc. - doesn't know about the internals, just a regular user.

> sorry you can't seriously tell me that it's simpler to install debian then
> wintendo, ah c'mon ;o) (we don't have to talk about the os itself,
> I'm on your side I hate this crash and burn system ;-)

I believe it is ... I can install a fully functional debian system in less
time than a Windows 2000 one.
All hardware detected and running, no extrenous crap to remove - no constant
reboots for each security update - the list goes on!

> And to get away from M$ ("winzigweich") you should try a RH and SuSe
install
> and then judge for yourself. which install looks nicer? which
installer
> is simpler to use for the average user? which installer has tons of
> information on any subject you can click with your mouse?

Just because the installer is prettier, doesn't make it better..
I have installed SUSE 9 today, yes it looks good - but I don't need a GUI to
install an OS.
I agree that these things have their place, but then we all have a choice
too - personally, like I stated before, I like the current installer and
find it quick and easy to use & get a systemup and running in as short a
period of time as possible.

I agree that some people may be initially disorientated when presented with
a console screen for installation, but then I think we have been spoilt by
fancy graphics, mice and windows! :-)

This, like so many other things, comes down to personal choice I guess - and
right now there is no choice. Having said that, one of the reasons I
initially chose Debian was that the installation was clean and simple! Goes
to show how much attitudes towards this sort of thing have changed over the
past few years.

Cheers,



Pete.


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Disc usage monitors

[hansdp]

Hi guys

I'm looking for a tool to monitor and log the level of disc usage.
Something like the disc tabs in gkrellm, but that doesn't require a gui
and that can log the usage and possible generate reports or graphs of some
sort.  I've googled, but couln't find anything useful
Any ideas?

Thanks
Hans



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Re: fvwm and post.hook problem

[Kirk Hilliard]

Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> Unfortunately the new DebianMenu file does not read
> main-menu-pre.hook, so it is not possible to put your own stuff at
> the start of the menu, so my customised menu has my stuff after the
> standard debian stuff now.  This I had to do in menudefs.hook where
> I used to do it in main-menu-pre.hook.

The new approach is disappointing, but it looks like everything but the
missing main-menu-pre.hook read can be worked around, so I filed a bug
asking for its reinstatement.

  http://bugs.debian.org/243985

You may want to add onto this bug if you think more is called for.


As an immediate workaround I, like you, copied
  cp /etc/X11/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc.dpkg-old ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc

Then, to get the main-menu-pre.hook read back in, I edited
/etc/menu-methods/fvwm, adding a few lines back in:
-- 8< --
--- fvwm.orig   2004-04-08 14:48:28.0 -0400
+++ fvwm2004-04-15 19:30:27.0 -0400
@@ -35,6 +35,9 @@
 # 3. We add a trailing newline to the lot.
 
 startmenu=   "DestroyMenu \"" replacewith($section," ","_") "\"\n" \
+   ifeq($section, "/Debian", \
+ "AddToMenu \"/Debian\"\n" \
+ "Read main-menu-pre.hook Quiet\n") \
  "AddToMenu   \"" replacewith($section," ","_") "\" \"" \
  title() "\" Title Top\n"
 endmenu= "\n"
-- >8 --

and then ran update-menus.  Remember that the menus are automatically
generated.


Kirk Hilliard


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Re: Disc usage monitors

[Albert Dengg]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:25:08 +0200 (SAST)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...
> I'm looking for a tool to monitor and log the level of disc usage.
> Something like the disc tabs in gkrellm, but that doesn't require a
> gui and that can log the usage and possible generate reports or graphs
> of some sort.  I've googled, but couln't find anything useful
> Any ideas?
...
What about df ?
for contious monitoring, try:
while true; do clear; df -h; sleep 60; done

yours
Albert

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Re: Mozilla 1.6 not printing anything

[steef]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:

steef wrote:

J.S.Sahambi wrote:

I am using Mozilla Debian Package 1.6-4 on Debian/unstable. When 
ever I print anything through mozilla. nothing goes to printer. In 
case I print to a file, the file is created but if I send the file 
to printer with the command "lpr mozilla.ps", still nothing prints out.

I am able to print normally using lpr command and Openoffice also 
prints without any problem.



try installing cups. it works for me on sarge, allthough not as 
perfect as under woody

I am already using cups and it functions correctly with other 
applications. Here is the output of "dpkg -l|grep cups"

:~$ dpkg -l|grep cups
ii  cupsys 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
BSD comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  libcupsimage2  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
image libs
ii  libcupsys2 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
ii  libcupsys2-dev 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
development



Any suggestions?

thanks
JSS

you could add . under ' sarge'  you get in that case 
installed div.  foomatic-files.  except  cupsys-pt (printing in c)  is 
that the only difference with my installed cups-system. (hugo vanwoerkom 
told you the other things of which some passed my mind too.

for me this combination prints mozilla-files/messages fine.

please ler me whether this works, or not.

k.r.

steef

bijlage:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -l |grep cups
ii  cupsomatic-ppd 20040220-1 linuxprinting.org printer support - 
transiti
ii  cupsys 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD 
comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-pt  1.2.4-1Tool for viewing/managing print jobs 
under C
ii  libcupsimage2  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
image libs
ii  libcupsys2 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
ii  libcupsys2-dev 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
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Re: 2.6 kernel causing X to hang?

[Andrew Schulman]

> a couple days ago, i upgraded from the 2.4.6 kernel to the 2.6.4
> kernel.  figured out a couple problems, and all seemed smooth.
> 
> however, twice today -- both initially while using a java IDE -- X has
> frozen, leaving whatever was last on the screen displayed up there and
> not showing the results of me doing anything to it.

What's your video hardware?  What driver are you using?


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Re: Antivirus (with exim+courier-imap+fetchmail)

[Andy Firman]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 08:30:09AM -0400, Andy Firman wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 03:56:06PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Thomas Halahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > 4) Probably more configurations I had not thought of.
> > >
> > > My budget is small, maybe $100.  
> > > My question is therefore, what sort of suggestions people have to apply 
> > > antivirus scanning?
> > 
> > This is the one I've been mailing to idiots who bounce viruses instead
> > of rejecting them...
> > 
> > http://ursine.ca/article.pl?sid=04/04/11/1127234
> 
> If one has exim4-daemon-heavy and denies any MS executeables with 
> this in the /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/40_exim4-config_check_data:
> deny message = $found_extension files are not accepted here
>   demime = bat:btm:cmd:com:cpl:dll:exe:lnk:msi:pif:prf:reg:scr:vbs:url:zip
> 
> Isn't that good enough for small Windows networks and users that don't
> use zip files?  (my users certainly don't need .exe files, .bat files, etc...)
> 
> Or should I learn how to use clamav?
> Just wondering if I am missing something. 

A quick follow up to my post.  I AM missing something.  

Right after I sent the above message (figures), I learned about

http://www.testvirus.org/

and my system failed about 10 of the tests.

So I better get clamav installed and configured.


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Re: Disc usage monitors

[Brian Brazil]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 03:00:44PM +0200, Albert Dengg wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:25:08 +0200 (SAST)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> ...
> > I'm looking for a tool to monitor and log the level of disc usage.
> > Something like the disc tabs in gkrellm, but that doesn't require a
> > gui and that can log the usage and possible generate reports or graphs
> > of some sort.  I've googled, but couln't find anything useful
> > Any ideas?
> ...
> What about df ?
> for contious monitoring, try:
> while true; do clear; df -h; sleep 60; done

watch -n 60 df -h

man 1 watch for the other options. -d is handy

Brian


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Re: Mozilla 1.6-5 not printing anything

[steef]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:

I am using Debian/unstable.
Recently after an upgrade, mozilla has stopped printing. When I print 
a page from mozilla, it sends a ps file to printer and nothing gets 
printed. My printer is HP2300TN and I am using cups for printing. The 
output of dpkg -l|grep cups is given below:

$ dpkg -l |grep cups

ii  cupsys 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
BSD comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.6-4Gimp-Print printer drivers for CUPS
ii  libcupsimage2  1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
image libs
ii  libcupsys2 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
ii  libcupsys2-dev 1.1.20final+cv Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - 
developmen

The output of dpkg -l|grep mozilla is given below:

$ dpkg -l |grep mozilla

ii  acroread-plugi 5.08-woody0.0  Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader plugin for 
mozilla /
ii  mozilla1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - dummy package
ii  mozilla-browse 1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - core and browser
rc  mozilla-firefo 0.8-8  lightweight web browser based on 
Mozilla
ii  mozilla-mailne 1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - mail and news 
support
ii  mozilla-psm1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - Personal 
Security Mana
ii  mozilla-xft1.6-5  Mozilla Web Browser - Xft support files
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The commandline print (lpr) works very fine. Other applications like 
openoffice, etc., can print without a problem.

The interesting point is that if I print a webpage to "file" and then 
send that ps file to printer with lpr, the printer then also does not 
prints anything.

All I can understand is that mozilla is sending some thing into the ps 
file which the pritner cannot understand and so it prints nothing(Am I 
right?).

Is any other person facing the same problem?

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
JSS

add some foomatic-files: maybe good under unstable too??

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database
ii  foomatic-db-en 3.0.1-20040312 linuxprinting.org printer support - 
programs
ii  foomatic-filte 3.0.1-6linuxprinting.org printer support - 
filters
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Re: branding debian releases

[Antony Gelberg]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 02:18:37PM +0200, Simmel wrote:
> Hi Pete :-)
> 
> >
> > Personally I like the current Woody installer :-)
> 
> I dislike the old and miserable/poor look of it, reminds me of old dos boxes
> or a blue screen :-)
> I dislike the poor information you sometimes get out of it (not true for
> every inst. step though)
> 
> > I find it quick and easy to use - runs nicely on older
> > hardware due to not
> > having the overhead of any kind of GUI.
> 
> You got me there, keep the old look for old systems, bring up a new look for
> new systems with 128mb gfx memory, a nice optical mouse and enough sys mem
> to run 15 xservers at a time.

I don't mean this to sound rude, but it probably will do.  If you need
it and no-one else is willing to do it, we look forward to submission of
your patch.  If no-one else is willing to devote resources to it, then
take a step back and ask why.

Also, please note that Debian doesn't only run on PC's, which makes the
install significantly more complex under the bonnet.

> > If you are only brought up in the GUI world of Windows, then
> > I guess it will
> > be a little disconcerting at first, but it's not hard to pick up.
> >
> 
> No I'm not I used VC20, C64, Amiga500, HP-UX Systems, Macintosh, PPC and
> PC's... but I'm glad that we have such powerful systems now, so why stick to
> the old crap?

Because the old crap works, and is quick and functional.  Bloating the
OS to fit into newer systems is much more of a MS approach.

> > At least the task selector and dselect do a good job of resolving any
> > dependancies whilst installing - I have had loads of problems
> > with Red Hat
> > (although I have not installed it recently) and broken packages due to
> > missing libraries etc.
> >
> 
> I don't argue only on the functionality I argue on the looks. I never used
> dselect because I still fear doing something wrong. I'm a little bit angry
> when I know that on other systems like rh I simply press the mouse button
> and i can (de)select packages without writing down 10 fancy keystrokes, this
> is too time consuming. Reminds me of my first experiences with vi. Time is
> an issue and also the easy-to-install thing. So whenever dselect pops up and
> asks if it should be run I'm like "HELL NO!!!"
> 
> At the moment I even won't use tasksel but only install basic system and
> then run the apt-get. But remember, I'm talking about the first experience
> with debian, not people like you who are used to it.

Perhaps you should try aptitude.  Lots of people don't use tasksel or
dselect after install, or ever.  Aptitude has a GUI, and can be run from
the command line like apt-get.

> May sound lazy too, and yes I'm a lazy guy. If my boss tells me to setup an
> apache server and tells me to use debian because the cust would like to have
> especially this distri well heck I'm stuck in the installation routine for
> hours trying to figure out how dselect works. GREAT :-( And the main part,
> installing apache, isn't even done yet (this was my first experience with
> Debian). I know to work with apache, but I don'T know how to install Debian,
> never seen it before. First time I saw RH and SuSe using X-Server installs I
> was like YES M$ gets their ASS kicked, this is almost too simple! Everybody
> can handle that easily!

Different people have different criteria for what constitutes an
arse-kicking.  Some people want more bells and whistles, some want
reliability etc.

> > Also, how many people in the Windows world actually install
> > their own OS? I
> > suspect *most* buy a computer with it pre-installed, or take
> > it to a shop
> > for upgrades - the few that do it themsleves would have
> > little problem with
> > the current installation of Debian.
> > Without wishing to sound too evangelical, I have had fewer
> > issues installing
> > Debian on a variety of hardware than I have had installing
> > Windows - in
> > fact, my main workstation refuses to run with Windows 2000,
> > so has a nice
> > copy of Woody + backports instead.
> 
> I install every system on my own and I doubt that someone like my sister
> would be able to do a successfull installtion with debian and X. But she
> succesfully reinstalled win2000 on her own, without me even knowing it
> sorry you can't seriously tell me that it's simpler to install debian then
> wintendo, ah c'mon ;o) (we don't have to talk about the os itself,
> I'm on your side I hate this crash and burn system ;-)
> 
> And to get away from M$ ("winzigweich") you should try a RH and SuSe install
> and then judge for yourself. which install looks nicer? which installer
> is simpler to use for the average user? which installer has tons of
> information on any subject you can click with your mouse?
> 
> but when it comes to the question which distri is the better one, I'm the
> first one screaming DEBIAN, because it's a hell of a distri, but still the
> installer is a thorn in my eye and as I remember there was 

Re: Mail Server Design

[Nicos Gollan]

On 16 Apr 2004 09:16:11 -0300
Mariano Wahlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need some help, on designing a mail server solution (structure), my
> request are:
> 
> -Users 4000+ aprox. with a growth rate of 20/users by month.
> -Each user has 15Mb of inbox.
> -Accesible by POP3 / IMAP (Only for Webmail who resides in other
> server)-Mail list (some of 4000+ users)

Do you need filtering? (AV, Spam?)

> I have two proposal:
> 
> 1- One big expensive server with 1 SCSI disk, two processors.

Bad solution, no failsafe storage. I'd say at least two disks as RAID1,
or even 3+ as RAID5. If you can get expensive HW, do it right and get
hot-swappable drives and a suitable controller.

> 2- Several cheaps servers, dividing mailboxes across servers.

I think one server could handle all storage needs easily. However, you
might want to have a second (or even several other) machine(s)  to do
stuff like virus scanning and spam filtering.

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Re: debian to logon ms exchange server

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

On 16/04/04, Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> on Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 01:09:02PM -0400, Adam Aube ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> > > I'm a new linux user, the first important thing I'm facing is, to
> > > access company exchange server.  My company have a web access
> > > exchange, I paste the IP http://xx.xx.xx.xx/exchange to mozilla
> > > and an authorization window appear, but I cannot get access with
> > > my domain/user/passwd.  In windows after I logon to the domain,
> > > all ok.

> I'm talking through my hat here, but three bits of possibly useful info:
...
>   - AFAIK, there are only a limited subset of connection methods
> available for GNU/Linux <=> Exchange servers, without third-party
> add-ons.  That would be POP3 and _possibly_ IMAP support.  Again,
> I've got very little experience here.

We use squirrelmail to hit Exchange over IMAP and it works well.
Obviously IMAP has to be enabled on the server. I don't know about
security token mechanisms though.

Rory
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KDE 3.2, Gnome 2.6 , Xfree86 4.2

[Tomy Alarie]

Hi, i did search on the internet for these three "packages" and installation 
notes, i found them all KDE 3.2 install &packages, Gnome 2.6 install & 
packages and XFree86 4.2 install & packages. I just want to know if anyone 
did it before.. And if i need to have these 3 "packages" pre-installed ? I 
want to know , if i test it and works fine, if anyone is interested to have 
a site where it explains all the steps and the sources and instructions ?

Thanks,
tomy
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Gdm X and nvidia

[paul]

Hello all,
I have been running into this issue with both woody and sid and I am not quite
certain what the issue may be.  I am relatively new to debian so I am not sure
what I am doing wrong.  Basically I want to install X on my toshiba laptop. 
However I believe I get everything working fine but I just get the NVidia logo
and then gdm crashes and goes back to NVidia again.  Here is essentially what I
do.
   apt-get update
   apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-
   apt-get install xserver-xfree86
 Now I would think startx command would work at this time but it doesn't so I
try installing gdm
   apt-get install gdm
 this whole process actually took me a couple of tries, apt-get it weird
sometimes it chokes and you just to re-update it and try again, Am I doing
soemthing wrong?  
   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
 this is what I use to configure X

   I put in all the required info, guessing only on my horizsync and
verticalsync from postings on the web (I would think it's ok cause the NVidia
logo is perfect) But then gdm just chokes.

I just want x to work.

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Hi, i use sympatico as dsl provider , i want to know if any user from Canada 
uses pppoe to connect it and can send me a copy of his dsl-provider file ? I 
can't make it works and i really wants to ..

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Re: branding debian releases

[Pete Clarke]

> I don't mean this to sound rude, but it probably will do.  If you need
> it and no-one else is willing to do it, we look forward to submission of
> your patch.  If no-one else is willing to devote resources to it, then
> take a step back and ask why.

:-) well said.

> Also, please note that Debian doesn't only run on PC's, which makes the
> install significantly more complex under the bonnet.

Indeed ... I believe the PPC & PA-Risc ports are particularily good.

> Because the old crap works, and is quick and functional.  Bloating the
> OS to fit into newer systems is much more of a MS approach.

I run a couple of Compaq 850's (Pentium Pro) which make superb servers under
Woody and an old Compaq Professional Workstation 5000 (again, PPro) as an X
terminal - Debian works flawlessly for this, try getting Windows XX to run
reliably and effeciently on that hardware..

I used to sell computers for a living, and most people who bought the most
up-to-date computers only wanted to write the odd letter, email and surf the
web - not the best use of system resources.  Just because your hardware is
not the latest/greatest, doesn't mean it's useless...

> Different people have different criteria for what constitutes an
> arse-kicking.  Some people want more bells and whistles, some want
> reliability etc.

For me, the ability to install a system from scratch in less time than it
takes the Windows 2000 installation to format a 40gb disc is arse-kicking!
:-)

> Working on beautifying something that is rarely used is possibly not the
> best use of resources.  If you disagree, like I said before, then please
> contribute your resources!  :)

I would say that the Debian installer is used (on a per-system basis) less
than M$'s one anyway ;-) regardless of how many machines you have.

Cheers,



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Re: Mail Server Design

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

A couple of comments:

What is your backup strategy? On the physical hardware side you may wish
to look into supporting a redundant disk over RAID for at least the
single server approach, to help deal with the inevitable disk crash :).
If you want to mirror numbers of other servers for backup purposes you
may have problems with synchronisation unless you do it through backup
rather than, say, mirroring via your smtp daemon, as imap/pop3 usage
will obviously change the contents of each mail area.

You need to choose a mail daemon that can easily farm off subsets of
users to seocndary servers, if you wish to go for version 2 scenario.
Exim4 seems to me to be a good choice.

Rory

On 16/04/04, Mariano Wahlmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I need some help, on designing a mail server solution (structure), my
> request are:
> 
> -Users 4000+ aprox. with a growth rate of 20/users by month.
> -Each user has 15Mb of inbox.
> -Accesible by POP3 / IMAP (Only for Webmail who resides in other server)
> -Mail list (some of 4000+ users)
> 
> I need a design solution for the server in wich resides mailboxes.
> 
> I have two proposal:
> 
> 1- One big expensive server with 1 SCSI disk, two processors.
> 2- Several cheaps servers, dividing mailboxes across servers.

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Re: Mail Server Design

[Mariano Wahlmann]

My backup strategy, is every day at 3AM, y make a tar of
/var/spool/mail. and passes to another server. There is no need of
having mirrors, because users knows that mail server could crash, and i
will be restore on 4 hours.
I make Spam filtering / AV checks, on other SMTP server, and then it
passes to this server.

On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 10:12, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> A couple of comments:
> 
> What is your backup strategy? On the physical hardware side you may wish
> to look into supporting a redundant disk over RAID for at least the
> single server approach, to help deal with the inevitable disk crash :).
> If you want to mirror numbers of other servers for backup purposes you
> may have problems with synchronisation unless you do it through backup
> rather than, say, mirroring via your smtp daemon, as imap/pop3 usage
> will obviously change the contents of each mail area.
> 
> You need to choose a mail daemon that can easily farm off subsets of
> users to seocndary servers, if you wish to go for version 2 scenario.
> Exim4 seems to me to be a good choice.
> 
> Rory
> 
> On 16/04/04, Mariano Wahlmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I need some help, on designing a mail server solution (structure), my
> > request are:
> > 
> > -Users 4000+ aprox. with a growth rate of 20/users by month.
> > -Each user has 15Mb of inbox.
> > -Accesible by POP3 / IMAP (Only for Webmail who resides in other server)
> > -Mail list (some of 4000+ users)
> > 
> > I need a design solution for the server in wich resides mailboxes.
> > 
> > I have two proposal:
> > 
> > 1- One big expensive server with 1 SCSI disk, two processors.
> > 2- Several cheaps servers, dividing mailboxes across servers.
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Re: Antivirus (with exim+courier-imap+fetchmail)

[Rory Campbell-Lange]

On 16/04/04, Andy Firman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 03:56:06PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Thomas Halahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > > My budget is small, maybe $100.  
> > > My question is therefore, what sort of suggestions people have to apply 
> > > antivirus scanning?

> If one has exim4-daemon-heavy and denies any MS executeables with 
> this in the /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/40_exim4-config_check_data:
> deny message = $found_extension files are not accepted here
>   demime = bat:btm:cmd:com:cpl:dll:exe:lnk:msi:pif:prf:reg:scr:vbs:url:zip
> 
> Isn't that good enough for small Windows networks and users that don't
> use zip files?  (my users certainly don't need .exe files, .bat files,
> etc...)

Stopping all executables coming through is a great idea. The option
above in exim4-daemon-heavy is through its support for exiscan (the
demime option).

The exiscan patch also supports though a single-line of configuration
pluggin into the clamav anti-virus system.

av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamd.ctl

Check out duncanthrax.net for more info.

Package: exim4-daemon-heavy
Source: exim4
Version: 4.30-8
...
 This package features the exiscan-acl patch
 http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan-acl/ for integration of virus-scanners
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Re: Audio HOWTO?

[Tom Simnett]

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On Friday 16 April 2004 14:05, Katipo wrote:
> >> On Friday 16 April 2004 01:52 am, Markus Lindström wrote:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering if someone could pinpoint me to some (easy) guide for
> >>> getting the audio to work in Debian. I'm currently running Sarge, and
> >>> have a SBLive card (should use the emu10k1 module). I need to know what
> >>> packages are needed and so on, because I have no idea where to begin.

Using ALSA, run alsamixer from commandline, and make sure that PCM is up. Not
just Master volume.

Tom
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Re: Antivirus (with exim+courier-imap+fetchmail)

[Michael Graham]

Andy wrote:
> A quick follow up to my post.  I AM missing something.  
> 
> Right after I sent the above message (figures), I learned about
> 
> http://www.testvirus.org/
> 
> and my system failed about 10 of the tests.
> 
> So I better get clamav installed and configured.

I have clamav installed and it failed on tests 10 12 16 19 23 24 25. 24
and 25 have no virus part only look for possible vulnerabilities with
split files and hiding real extensions.

But it is worrying that the others are getting past. Can anyone do any
better?


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Re: Mail Server Design

[Adam Aube]

Mariano Wahlmann wrote:

> I need some help, on designing a mail server solution (structure)

> I have two proposal:
> 
> 1- One big expensive server with 1 SCSI disk, two processors.
> 2- Several cheaps servers, dividing mailboxes across servers.

I would say go with (2). This system would have 3 parts:

1) Mail store server - mail store is in maildir format and shared using NFS
2) POP/IMAP server
3) SMTP server - also provides spam/virus filtering

Distributes the load, limits effects of a failure, and scales well. Just
make sure the mail store has some redundancy - either use one server with
redundant disks, or two servers in a cluster using drdb or some other live
replication tool.

Adam


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Re: Disc usage monitors

[Aurel]

Albert Dengg wrote:

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:25:08 +0200 (SAST)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
 

I'm looking for a tool to monitor and log the level of disc usage.
Something like the disc tabs in gkrellm, but that doesn't require a
gui and that can log the usage and possible generate reports or graphs
of some sort.  I've googled, but couln't find anything useful
Any ideas?
   

...
What about df ?
for contious monitoring, try:
while true; do clear; df -h; sleep 60; done
yours
Albert
 

and du.

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Re: branding debian releases

[Rex Chan]

-  Simmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-04-16 14:18:37 +0200]:

> May sound lazy too, and yes I'm a lazy guy. If my boss tells me to setup an
> apache server and tells me to use debian because the cust would like to have
> especially this distri well heck I'm stuck in the installation routine for
> hours trying to figure out how dselect works. GREAT :-( And the main part,
> installing apache, isn't even done yet (this was my first experience with
> Debian). I know to work with apache, but I don'T know how to install Debian,
> never seen it before. First time I saw RH and SuSe using X-Server installs I
> was like YES M$ gets their ASS kicked, this is almost too simple! Everybody
> can handle that easily!

You might like to try the new debian installer
(http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) which is in development
at the moment. It's at beta 3. It autodetects a lot of hardware, 
and if you're lucky consists of mostly pressing enter.

> And to get away from M$ ("winzigweich") you should try a RH and SuSe install
> and then judge for yourself. which install looks nicer? which installer
> is simpler to use for the average user? which installer has tons of
> information on any subject you can click with your mouse?

The installer is currently all text based, but it's modularised and will
allow people to write a graphical frontend to it really quickly. I'll
assume there will be lots of information in the frontend on the
particular options that presented.


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flash sound in galeon behind picture

[Nori Heikkinen]

at the request of my roommate, who's been desperately missing her
weekly dose of strong bad's email, i reÄnstalled flash for galeon on
my computer.  in so doing, i noticed a problem i'd had before -- the
sound in any flash movie gets progressively more and more behind the
picture as the movie goes on.

i've got:

ii  libflash0  0.4.10-6 
ii  flashplayer-mo 6.0.79-woody0.
ii  galeon 1.2.5-0.woody.

anyone else noticed this problem?  should i file a bug?  if so,
against what package?

thanks!



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Re: Sympatico user from canada

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Tomy Alarie_, on 04/16/04 09:23,typed:
Hi, i use sympatico as dsl provider , i want to know if any user from 
Canada uses pppoe to connect it and can send me a copy of his 
dsl-provider file ? I can't make it works and i really wants to ..

Thanks,
tomy
I am running Debian Sarge on Bell Sympatico High Speed connection in 
Quebec. Works pretty nicely.

Have you tried running pppoeconf as root? It will:
1) IIRC, first detect the presence of a connection on your NIC cards 
(provided the modem is connected and powered ON -- and you are not using 
USB*).
2) Then ask you for user name and password plus some other questions 
about some settings which you should accept.
3) After that, 'pon' and 'poff' commands should work.

If that doesn' work, report what happened and we can see what could be 
the problem.

GL,
->HS
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Re: Sympatico user from canada

[Aurel]

I lived in Canada last year and used sympatico too.
I used rp-pppoe and it worked just fine.
I suppose you can read french (you're in Quebec, no?) so go to: 
http://linux.gegeweb.net/adsl-pppoe_7.html

Aurel



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Hi, i use sympatico as dsl provider , i want to know if any user from 
Canada uses pppoe to connect it and can send me a copy of his 
dsl-provider file ? I can't make it works and i really wants to ..

Thanks,
tomy
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AW: branding debian releases

[Simmel]

Look guys,

I think we're talking on different subjects here I'm talking about
getting newbies into Linux, especially Debian. And if you tell me that it
can't get more popular with a nice installer, well, erm, I dunno what else
to say, I'm stunned!?! And if you then tell me it would make no sense to
divide Debian into a workstation part and into a more special enterprise or
server version to make it even more visible to users, well then I scratch my
head in disbelieve.

And I don'T say DO IT NOW, I'm more like "Ever had a thought about it?"
thats what discussions are for :-)

>
> :-) The "old crap" really flies on new hardware, this is the
> same as having
> faster CPU's and loading the latest M$ OS that requires more
> resources...
>

Huh, I'm talking about installation NOT the OS itself, pls. read more
careful :-) And as much as I hate M$ the installer is pretty nice. Much
easier to handle and better to get along with then the debian installer. XP
is neat, doesn't take that long and you have all the drivers you need, even
for older crap. The system itself is a pile of crap indeed, takes up lots of
mem, yes. Well, I installed more systems with Windows, but that doesn't mean
I can't get along with other stuff, at least I managed to get more then 15
machines running with Debian. But my first installtion was a mess and I was
sweating the whole day long.

>
> Wrong in what way?? I always found dselect very straightforward..
> Select a package, read the description and choose to install
> it or not .. it
> automatically tells you if there are
> dependencies and resolves them for you. Nice and simple.
>

Really? I may be not so sophistacted but I have had it with dselect after 15
minutes, I've even wrote down the keys, but this is not straight forward.
Dselect is very confusing and ugly looking. The explanation
a mess in my eyes.

>
> But I don't have a mouse on my headless servers... :-)
>

See here we go again, I'm talking about MAINSTREAM, not server
administrators. I also have about 15 systems here running debian on them, no
mice, no keyboard, no monitor, no x, nothingjust plain console and
ssh ;)


> To be honest I don't use Tasksel either ... I also do the
> basic install then
> dselect or apt-get (depending on what I am installing).  But
> I don't see it
> being a problem.
>


Yeah, if you google around for about half an hour, here we go again. There'S
not even a hint in the isntaller that something like aptitude can be used,
isn't even installed by default if you install x, as far as I know? So how
can that be userfriendly and helping and convincing people to use debian?
And that'S what I also meant when I told you about Suse and RH, on the right
side you always have info WHATs happening WHAT you are doing.

>
> ..install a basic system (< 10 mins) then apt-get install apache! :-)
>

Well after 15 installations okay, but the first time I installed,
reinstalled, reinstalled and reinstalled, I don'T like it when I'm "not in
charge" @ inst time. I'd like to get more info from the inst routine.

>
> My wife managed to install Debian, and she is not the most
> computer literate
> person around...she likes to play Majong and a few other
> things, writes the
> odd letter etc. - doesn't know about the internals, just a
> regular user.
>

Okay then your wife's more clever then me, the first time I tried to isntall
my "workstation" I had to use 2 days to get X running. Never used X before,
or only from a SuSe or RH Inst. and they worked the very first time my
system fired up.

>
> I believe it is ... I can install a fully functional debian
> system in less
> time than a Windows 2000 one.
> All hardware detected and running, no extrenous crap to
> remove - no constant
> reboots for each security update - the list goes on!
>

Here we are again YOU, yes but an average user? I still doubt that, sorry!
And I had no sound in my X, I had no | becuase it wouldn't select my keymap,
I dunno where this is helpful?

>
> Just because the installer is prettier, doesn't make it better..
> I have installed SUSE 9 today, yes it looks good - but I
> don't need a GUI to
> install an OS.

That's okay so ... *laugh*. Personally yes I think it's more comfortable
to do 200 klicks when the system is capable to do so, then e.g. writing down
the help page from dselect.

> I agree that some people may be initially disorientated when
> presented with
> a console screen for installation, but then I think we have
> been spoilt by
> fancy graphics, mice and windows! :-)
>

Aha, gotcha Pete :-) Nice to see that you at least agree a bit *giggle*. But
why are you so negative about it? Sounds you prefer riding a horse rather
then a car, if the comparison is not too much out of the way :-)

Isn't it a good thing to have a workstation with an X-Server, a mouse and
fancy gfx? I like to have an evironement where I feel at home. And before
you reply I say YES this is nothing for servers. Eats up mem, X can be
dangero

Re: Mail Server Design

[Mariano Wahlmann]

do you have any clue? about what is the propper File System for mail
storage server (by performance). Ext3, Ext2, ReiserFS, etc etc.


On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 10:59, Adam Aube wrote:
> Mariano Wahlmann wrote:
> 
> > I need some help, on designing a mail server solution (structure)
> 
> > I have two proposal:
> > 
> > 1- One big expensive server with 1 SCSI disk, two processors.
> > 2- Several cheaps servers, dividing mailboxes across servers.
> 
> I would say go with (2). This system would have 3 parts:
> 
> 1) Mail store server - mail store is in maildir format and shared using NFS
> 2) POP/IMAP server
> 3) SMTP server - also provides spam/virus filtering
> 
> Distributes the load, limits effects of a failure, and scales well. Just
> make sure the mail store has some redundancy - either use one server with
> redundant disks, or two servers in a cluster using drdb or some other live
> replication tool.
> 
> Adam
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Re: Help ! "Kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage."

[Justin Guerin]

On Friday 16 April 2004 00:54, Adam Felix Bogacki wrote:
> Hi,
>[snip]
>
> "Lilo 22.5.8 (Debian) Boot menu
> 
> boot:
> Loading Linux EBDA is big; Kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second
> stage."
>
>'df' had shown my /usr partition to be 100% but I thought I may
> be able
> to sneak through after deleting 'ppp' & associated files - I use cable
> on this
> system.
>
> I surmise that I should get in there and delete, delete, delete ...
> and try again. But I can't - I'm stuck with the same LILO error message
> whenever I try to reboot. I have had to send this message from my unused
> Win partition -
> a bit like going back in time.
>
> Any constructive ideas appreciated.
>
> Adam Bogacki,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Adam,

I'm not sure where you're stuck.  If you're trying to reboot to fix your 
system, there's the standard routes of a boot disk, rescue floppy, using 
your install CD, or even Knoppix.

If you've already booted and freed some space on /usr, I suggest you run 
lilo within a chroot environment before you reboot.  If it works without 
errors, you should be fine.  If it doesn't, and you can't / don't know how 
to correct the errors, post them, and hopefully someone on this list can 
help.

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Aiptek Hyperpen 6000U

[Glyn Edwards]

Hi

Has anyone managed to get the Aiptek usb Hyperpen graphics tablet working
in debian?

I've been looking at the drivers on sourceforge and experimenting with the
2.4.22 kernel (which has areasonable recent version in) but hotplug loads
a usbmouse module first which interferes with it. I don't have much
experience with hotplug so any help would be great

Thanks

Glyn


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RE: branding debian releases

[Simmel]

> You might like to try the new debian installer
> (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) which is in
> development
> at the moment. It's at beta 3. It autodetects a lot of hardware,
> and if you're lucky consists of mostly pressing enter.
>
> > And to get away from M$ ("winzigweich") you should try a RH
> and SuSe install
> > and then judge for yourself. which install looks nicer?
> which installer
> > is simpler to use for the average user? which installer has tons of
> > information on any subject you can click with your mouse?
>
> The installer is currently all text based, but it's
> modularised and will
> allow people to write a graphical frontend to it really quickly. I'll
> assume there will be lots of information in the frontend on the
> particular options that presented.
>
>

Hey Hey, sounds nice. I'll take a look at it next week and try it out for
sure...


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Re: Really, I still don't have sound

[Justin Guerin]

On Thursday 15 April 2004 20:23, Mark Healey wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:05:16 -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> >On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 11:01:43AM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> Mark Healey (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >> >[snip]
> >> > I installed woody stable kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4
> >> >[snip]
>
> I did "apt-cache search alsa-source" and got
>
> alsa-source
> alsa-source-0.4
> alsa-source-0.5
>
> Which is the latest, the one with no version number or 0.5
>
> -
> Please leave this.  It is a filter term.
> ferulebezel
> -
> Mark Healey

Hi Mark,

apt-cache show should show you the answer.  I don't have access to a woody 
system right now, but according to packages.debian.org, the one without the 
version number is actually version 0.9+0beta12-3.

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Re: EIO 8212

[Justin Guerin]

On Thursday 15 April 2004 19:07, Paypal wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Is there a driver for this EIO ATA Raid card (8212)?
> The output from lspci -vv is:
>
> 00:0e.0 RAID bus controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc.: Unknown
> device 8212 (rev 11)
> Subsystem: Integrated Technology Express, Inc.: Unknown device
> 0001 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
> Status: Cap+ 66Mhz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort-
> SERR-  Latency: 0 (2000ns min, 2000ns max)
> Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5
> Region 0: I/O ports at 10d0 [size=8]
> Region 1: I/O ports at 10c4 [size=4]
> Region 2: I/O ports at 10c8 [size=8]
> Region 3: I/O ports at 10c0 [size=4]
> Region 4: I/O ports at 10b0 [size=16]
> Expansion ROM at  [disabled] [size=128K]
> Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2
> Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA
> PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
> Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
>
> I can't find a compatible driver in the kernel source tree
> (2.4.18-686)...
>
> Cheers people,
>
>
>
> Pete.

Does this help:
http://www.ite.com.tw/productInfo/Download.html#IT8212%20ATA133%20Controller

I couldn't tell for sure that's the right hardware, but it seems to be.  Be 
aware, though, that at least one person thinks the driver is lousy:

From: Sergey Vlasov 
...
The driver is complete shit... they do locking this way:

...
static spinlock_t io_request_lock   = SPIN_LOCK_UNLOCKED;
...

-
That was from 30 Oct. 2003.  Perhaps things have changed since then.

Hope that helps.

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2004 #1253

[Daniel Guido]

does anyone know how to build php-mysql with the new mysql 4.0 client 
libs instead of the old 3.23 ones like they are on unstable?

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Re: Mail Server Design

[Adam Aube]

Mariano Wahlmann wrote:

> do you have any clue? about what is the propper File System for mail
> storage server (by performance). Ext3, Ext2, ReiserFS, etc etc.

Any stable journalling filesystem will work fine. The biggest performance
issue will likely be the speed of your disks.

I would suggest reading up on the MTA and POP/IMAP server(s) you plan to use
to see if any benchmarks have been done to see which file system gives the
best performance.

Personally, I prefer ext3 - its stable, performs well, and works will all
the standard filesystem tools in Linux. I also know that ext3 with
data=journalled beat out ReiserFS in performance benchmarks for qmail (my
preferred MTA). YMMV.

Adam


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Re: digital camera question

[Wayne Topa]

Mike Chandler([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Thursday 15 April 2004 08:33 am, steef wrote:
> > H. S. wrote:
> > > Apparently, _Mike Chandler_, on 04/15/04 10:09,typed:
[-Big Snip-] 
> Thanks for that, I tried to apt-get usbmgr, but it wanted to uninstall 
> hotplug.
> I'm not sure thats what I want to do, do I?
> Here's what I have: 
> gphoto2
> libgphoto2
> gtkam
> digikam
> 
> Now, using digikam I can access the camera as root, but that's it.
> gtkam won't access it at all.
> Weird.


I did this a few months back so can't remember (Old Age) where I read
it.  You have to edit /etc/hotplug/usb/usbcam to get users priviliges.

Change USER=root to the user you want to run as.

:-) HTH, YMMV, HAND :-)

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Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[Wayne Topa]

Uwe Dippel([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:26:03 +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote:
> 
> > The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
> > worked with 1.1.0).
> 
> Eureka !
> This needed some hours of digging, though, therefore I put the recipe here
> (for steef, as well).
> The dictionaries have been moved to 
> /usr/share/myspell/dicts
> (Quite intelligent, I confess)
> 
Uwe

  Thanks!  I did not have a problem with my en_US dicts but am
  thankful that you were able to find this.  I want to add some other
  dicts and this looks like a great way to do that.

  I'm sure you have helped many with your post.  Great work!


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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2004 #1253

[Daniel Guido]

can someone tell me how libapache2-mod-php4 works?  i installed it but i 
still cant get php to display when loading pages.

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Re: Disc usage monitors

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-04-16 14:25:08 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm looking for a tool to monitor and log the level of disc usage.
> Something like the disc tabs in gkrellm, but that doesn't require a gui
> and that can log the usage and possible generate reports or graphs of some
> sort.  I've googled, but couln't find anything useful
> Any ideas?

I'm using a small Perl script with the Filesys::DiskSpace package
to get the disk usage and the RRDs (RRDtool) package to log it to
a round robin database.

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Re: branding debian releases

[Chris Metzler]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:40:19 +0200
"Simmel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So why not think about using a strategy that almost every company uses
> (although Debian isn't one), e.g. Redhat, SuSe, even
> Microdoft... For me as a user and systems administrator
> something like this would be much much better.
> 
> Why not do it this way?
> 
> enterprise - this is for servers only - not much GUI/ focused on
> servers/ networking,routing/ multiple cpus/driver support and so on
> 
> workstation - this is for home users and workplaces - not much server
> stuff here/ focused on multimedia/ x-server/ openoffice and so on
> 
> sandbox - (I like that word, Monique :-) this can stay the same and is
> meant for people who would like to help the Debian project with further
> releases, simply a sandbox to play with to find and report bugs.
> (maybe there should be two then, something like E-sandbox, for the
> enterprise stuff, and W-sandbox for the workstation part)

[ snip ]

In making suggestions like this, and like many others in this thread,
the implicit assumption is that the reason the three distros (stable,
testing and unstable) exist is so that users have a choice of distros,
and can then choose the one that suits their needs best.  With that
assumption, it is of course very important that the explanations be as
clear to users as they possibly can; and it would make sense to even
consider structuring the contents (and thus titles) of the distros
differently, so that they'd better achieve that goal of giving users
choices.

But this assumption is wrong.  The purpose of the existence of testing
and unstable is *not* to give users choices.  It may also be true that
their existence gives users choices; but that's not what they're
fundamentally for.  The purpose of their existence is to facilitate the
development process that produces stable releases.  Users may decide to
track unstable or testing (and many of us do); but the existence of
those distros is to help the developers do what needs to be done to get
packages into good shape and get releases out.  Period.  And thus,
the most important thing is that the descriptions of these distros
be clear to developers, and that their functions be useful for
developers.  "Re-branding" the distros, and changing their descriptions,
isn't sensible:  testing and unstable don't cleanly fall into categories
that are sensible for users, and trying to label them that way is (as
Monique said) trying to assign characteristics that don't exist.  But
that's not a bug; that's a feature.  It's intentional.  Their purpose
is to facilitate the job of the developers.

Looked at this way, the problem with your suggestion above is that
it doesn't accomplish the goal of facilitating the next release.  It
tears down some of the infrastructure the developers use without
replacing it with something that helps them do their job as well or
better.

"Well, OK," you may be saying, "but what's wrong with giving users
choices as well?  Instead of having unstable, testing, and stable, why
not have unstable and testing to help developers (and helpful users),
and also distros like `server' and `workstation' and so on?"  But this
is a false dichotomy:  users already have the choices that other
distributions provide with such focussed releases.  Put another way,
what people are concerned about in this thread is getting more recent
versions of packages than stable provides; creating "server" and
"workstation" releases of Debian like other distributions do wouldn't
solve this.  "Server" and "workstation" releases of other Linux
distributions don't typically differ in the versions of the packages
they provide.  Rather, they differ in *which* packages are provided.
The "server" release may include apache but not frozen-bubble; while
the "workstation" release may include frozen-bubble but not apache.
But they'll both typically have the same version of X (provided the
server has X at all, of course).  So functional releases wouldn't
obviously address the thing that people have been concerned about
in this thread -- more current versions of software.

Furthermore, functional releases would go against Debian's philosophy.
Perhaps you want a machine with one or the other, or perhaps *both*, or
perhaps *neither*.  Rather than decide for you what you'll need, Debian
lets you decide.  The purpose of tasksel is to make that a little less
onerous, so that you don't have build your system up entirely from
scratch; you can select "Web server" or "Java development" and get a
bunch of packages relevant to whatever you need.  But you can install
whatever you want.  Want server packages?  Install them.  Want
workstation packages?  Install them.  It's your machine; do what you
want with it.


> P.S.: And while I'm on it, plez enhance the installation routine,
> something like a graphical interface. This takes the fear off most
> users. Take a look at SuSe and Redaht and you'll know what I

mzscheme.deb not clean [was: Re: chkrootkit gives this message, should I be worried?]

[H. S.]

Apparently, _H. S._, on 04/15/04 14:48,typed:
I am running Debian Sarge (kernel 2.4.24-1-686). I ran chkrootkit (v 
0.42b) and got this message (along with all other "nothing found" 
messages):

Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while...
/usr/lib/plt/collects/readline/.DS_Store
What does this mean? Should I be worried?

thanks,
->HS

Tim Haynes in comp.os.linux.security was very helpful in pointing out 
that the .DS_Store file though not listed in the "files" list on 
Debian's website for mzscheme package, it is nevertheless in the .deb 
file 
(http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/drscheme/mzscheme_206p1-1_i386.deb).

His message has the subject: Re: chkrootkit gives this message, should I 
be worried?

So this kind of ends my worries, but I wanted to report this here just 
to inform that the package needs some cleaning.

Thanks to Tim.
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dpkg: error processing libpam-runtime (--configure):

[Michael Linton]

I recently took over a Debian system whose previous owner had been using 
"testing" apt-get sources.   For reasons that now make no sense even to me I 
switched to "unstable" sources I had been using (without any apparent 
problems) on my laptop for a year.

So - apt-get upgrade failed 

Preconfiguring packages ...
Setting up libpam-runtime (0.76-18) ...
dpkg: error processing libpam-runtime (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation scritp returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 libpam-runtime

I'm now pointing to "testing" again but getting the same result.  I tried 
running dpkg -i libpam-runtime.. from the command line and got
the same result. 

# apt-get dist-upgrade does the same.

What could I do to elucidate the actual error message (from post-installation 
script) itself?

# dpkg -l libpam-runtime\*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name  Version   Description
+++-=-=-==
iF  libpam-runtime0.76-18   Runtime support for 
the PAM library

There's not much space in /var - 15Meg

I realise it's unlikely that anyone can answer such an unspecified question, 
but maybe someone has an idea?  

Michael


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Re: 2.6 kernel causing X to hang?

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:48:09AM -0400, Andrew Schulman insinuated:
> > a couple days ago, i upgraded from the 2.4.6 kernel to the 2.6.4
> > kernel.  figured out a couple problems, and all seemed smooth.
> > 
> > however, twice today -- both initially while using a java IDE -- X
> > has frozen, leaving whatever was last on the screen displayed up
> > there and not showing the results of me doing anything to it.
> 
> What's your video hardware?  What driver are you using?

right, should have said:

VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro TF

using the r128 driver, i'm pretty sure.



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HP Glance 4.00

[Philip Pinkerton]

I need to install Glance on several Linux systems we use Debian on all
our systems. After update & upgrade to 2.4.25-1-686 (sid) I tried to
install HP Glance 4.00. It install ok but won't run.

glance: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.4
xglance: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2

which packages do I need to install?


Philip



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Re: branding debian releases

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Chris Metzler:
> 
> But this assumption is wrong.  The purpose of the existence of testing
> and unstable is *not* to give users choices.  It may also be true that
> their existence gives users choices; but that's not what they're
> fundamentally for.  The purpose of their existence is to facilitate the
> development process that produces stable releases.  Users may decide to

I was around when Ian Murdock first introduced Debian.  Back then, we
had SLS and Slackware, the latter having been produced because the
same un-fixed problems tended to be reproduced in subsequent issues of
SLS.  Debian's raison d'etre was stability in response to the lack of
it in existing distributions.

I still think that's what Debian should be striving for.  I don't see
any point in catering to bleeding-edge-itis in Debian.  If the user
wants/needs newer software than stable provides, the Debian system can
accomodate that through the installation of backports or even
/usr/local.  Debian has proven itself robust enough to support the
creation of dependent distributions like Libranet and Knoppix.  If the
user demands bleeding edge, that's where they should be looking.

No change is necessary.  If the user thinks stable is obsolete, it
should be up to them to deal with that, and that means they should
learn to add what they want onto stable, or go elsewhere.  testing and
unstable are for those who know what they're doing and are willing and
able to understand the consequences, in the spirit of wanting to help
Debian produce a future stable distribution.  Debian should not be
bothering to cater to bleeding-edge-itis in a misguided attempt to
open up Debian to more users.  Leave that to the Libranets and
Knoppixes.


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Re: dpkg: error processing libpam-runtime (--configure):

[Clive Menzies]

On (16/04/04 17:11), Michael Linton wrote:
> I recently took over a Debian system whose previous owner had been using 
> "testing" apt-get sources.   For reasons that now make no sense even to me I 
> switched to "unstable" sources I had been using (without any apparent 
> problems) on my laptop for a year.
> 
> So - apt-get upgrade failed 
> 
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> Setting up libpam-runtime (0.76-18) ...
> dpkg: error processing libpam-runtime (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation scritp returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  libpam-runtime
> 
> I'm now pointing to "testing" again but getting the same result.  I tried 
> running dpkg -i libpam-runtime.. from the command line and got
> the same result. 
> 
> # apt-get dist-upgrade does the same.
> 
> What could I do to elucidate the actual error message (from post-installation 
> script) itself?
If you search the archives http://lists.debian.org/search.html there was
a thread on this recently.  Subject: libpam-runtime is broken in
unstable

Go to: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=243426

The fix is to touch /etc/pam.d/other.pre-upgrade and then your upgrade
will continue.

HTH

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Re: KDE 3.2, Gnome 2.6 , Xfree86 4.2

[Greg Madden]

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On Friday 16 April 2004 05:21 am, Tomy Alarie wrote:
> Hi, i did search on the internet for these three "packages" and
> installation notes, i found them all KDE 3.2 install &packages, Gnome
> 2.6 install & packages and XFree86 4.2 install & packages. I just
> want to know if anyone did it before.. And if i need to have these 3
> "packages" pre-installed ? I want to know , if i test it and works
> fine, if anyone is interested to have a site where it explains all
> the steps and the sources and instructions ?
>
> Thanks,
> tomy

That would be Xfree86 4.3 since KDE 3.2 depends on it. You can proably 
do all three in Unstable, Gnome 2.6 is in experimental, though I have 
never tried it. KDE3.2.1 & X 4.3 work well in Testing now, using 
Unstable sources. I don't know about trying it with backports, if any, 
for Woody, though I don't think Woody would be the place to do ,imho.

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Re: Before going with debian questions.

[Feanor]

Take a look on this
http://www.distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian

feanor7

On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 13:26, Robin Lynn Frank wrote:
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> We've been using Mandrake Linux for a number of years and have come accross 
> problems with the way its library packages are set up.  (We encounter 
> problems compiling certain software because of this.)
> 
> It was suggested to us that debian might be more to our liking.  Before biting 
> the bullet, I have a couple of questions.
> 
> 1) What are debian's strong and weak points as a server?
> 2) What are debian's strong and weak points as a desktop workstation?
> 3) Any caveats I should be aware of?
> 4) Any ease of installation/use problems?
> 
> Any information is appreciated as I would have 50 boxes to switch over.
> 
> TIA.
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Re: Before going with debian questions.

[Chris Metzler]

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:26:53 -0700
Robin Lynn Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> We've been using Mandrake Linux for a number of years and have come
> accross problems with the way its library packages are set up.  (We
> encounter problems compiling certain software because of this.)
> 
> It was suggested to us that debian might be more to our liking.  Before
> biting the bullet, I have a couple of questions.
> 
> 1) What are debian's strong and weak points as a server?
> 2) What are debian's strong and weak points as a desktop workstation?
> 3) Any caveats I should be aware of?
> 4) Any ease of installation/use problems?
> 
> Any information is appreciated as I would have 50 boxes to switch over.

I don't have as much time as I wish I had to answer this right now,
and other people here would be better at answering parts of it (e.g.
server issues).  But you might wanna take a look at:

http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks

. . .which is a nice description of what is probably Debian's single
strongest feature.

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help setting up a home network

[abdoulaye kebe]

Hello everybody, I' am trying to set up a home network . I have a pc 
running 2000 pro and a new one running XP. I have a linksys router and a high 
speed connection, but I cannot transfer files from pc to pc.
N.B I have created a workgroup between both pc; they have different names 
and the workgroup name is different too; but I just cannot have the 2 pc talk to 
each other I need help!

Re: help setting up a home network

[Bradley Alexander]

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This list is the Debian-user list. If you are running XP and 2000, aren't you 
looking in the wrong place?

On Friday 16 April 2004 12:23, abdoulaye kebe wrote:
> Hello everybody, I' am trying to set up a home network . I have a pc
> running 2000 pro and a new one running XP. I have a linksys router and a
> high speed connection, but I cannot transfer files from pc to pc. N.B I
> have created a workgroup between both pc; they have different names and the
> workgroup name is different too; but I just cannot have the 2 pc talk to
> each other I need help!

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Re: 2.6 kernel causing X to hang?

[Andrew Schulman]

> on Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:48:09AM -0400, Andrew Schulman insinuated:
> > > a couple days ago, i upgraded from the 2.4.6 kernel to the 2.6.4
> > > kernel.  figured out a couple problems, and all seemed smooth.
> > > 
> > > however, twice today -- both initially while using a java IDE -- X
> > > has frozen, leaving whatever was last on the screen displayed up
> > > there and not showing the results of me doing anything to it.
> > 
> > What's your video hardware?  What driver are you using?
> 
> right, should have said:
> 
> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro TF
> 
> using the r128 driver, i'm pretty sure.

OK.  Sorry, I know several things that can cause an Nvidia card to do 
what you describe, but I don't know anything about ATI cards.


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