Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Monique Y. Herman]

On 2004-03-26, Emma Jane Hogbin penned:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 05:12:50PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/
>> 
>> I've been slowly wading through it.  I honestly didn't find anything
>> offensive in the document.  I guess I should re-read it after I finish
>> reading the flameage.
>
> Heh. Neither did I the first time. ... 
>
> Now pretend you're a guy and read it again. Suddenly you can do no right. 
> Everything is the man's fault--whether it's action or a lack of action. 
> According to this document, you can't be a shy male sitting in the corner 
> of a LUG. You have to be watching all the time for things that might be 
> considered offensive to women. It's also uses aggressive (angry?) language. 
> It's fun to read as a woman--at least I get a kick out of it and feel all 
> empowered and bold and (yeah, like I need help with that) I'll stop
> there for fear of starting another flamefest on this list about the very
> same document.

I'll try to re-read it from a guy's perspective.  It definitely sounds
like you have a point there, but I'm too tired to get the full value out
of reading it right now ...

> emma

> PS I'll probably change my last name when I get married because Kent is
> way cooler than Hogbin. Not to mention I've always wanted to have a name
> that's 4+4+4 letters long. Hogbin's too long.

Emma Kent has a nice ring to it =)  Er, no pun intended.

Yeah ... Monique Yvonne Mudama definitely flows better than Monique
Yvonne Herman.  It's just that the latter is so familiar.  I always
thought it would be fun to have the last name Harlequin, but for some
reason that was vetoed =P

And I have to relearn my signature!  Ugh!

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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Leo Spalteholz]

On March 25, 2004 11:04 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-03-26, Leo Spalteholz penned:
> > On March 25, 2004 04:12 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >> On 2004-03-25, s. keeling penned:
> >> > Incoming from Monique Y. Herman:
> >> >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/
> >> >
> >> > That one elicited about the loudest flamefest I've ever seen, in
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If you can find that thread in their archives,
> >> > and stand to wade through it all, you might find your answers
> >> > there.
> >>
> >> I've been slowly wading through it.  I honestly didn't find anything
> >> offensive in the document.  I guess I should re-read it after I
> >> finish reading the flameage.
> >
> > Reading this article I found it not so much offensive as just lacking
> > some important basic facts.  For example, in the section about why
> > there are so few women in technology, there are several reasons
> > listed, most of them placing the blame on men in some way.  I'm not
> > saying that these reasons are not valid, but I believe there is a
> > bigger reason.  Women (in general) are just not that interested in
> > technology and computers.  My university has programs to encourage
> > women to enroll in engineering and women tend to be favoured for jobs
> > here but still the percentage of female engineering students is less
> > than 5%.  Why is that?  No idea but certainly not because they are
> > being "driven out".  Every effort is made to attract them to
> > engineering and CS but there are just not that many interested.
>
> The article addressed this head-on by calling attention to the
> socialization that boys and girls undergo from a very young age.  Women
> (in general) are just not encouraged to explore technology and
> computers.  Did you miss the quote about how studies have found that, in
> homes with computers, the family computer is much more likely to be in
> the son's room than the daughter's?  Sure, statistics can say whatever
> you want, but it's definitely true that there are still many girls being
> raised to believe that technical careers are inappropriate, unfeminine,
> etc.

I did read the quotes about societal pressures on children and how it 
affects career choices for females.  I just don't believe the evidence the 
author presents is particularly convincing. 
For instance, is the computer put into the boy's room because the parents 
don't think it is appropriate for a girl or is it put there because the 
boy uses is more and is more interested in playing with it?
The same goes for the argument about video games.  Many video games are 
marketed using sex and violence because the vast majority of the market is 
male.  Games have evolved in this direction because that's what the target 
audience enjoys.  Then again, there are also games that are marketed 
towards women, such as the Sims.  I really don't see how this is in the 
least bit sexist.

>
> I also have to question the effectiveness of any program designed to
> drag a certain segment of the population into its fold.  After seeing my
> own college's heinous attempts at recruiting black students, I can
> definitely see how such programs can misfire severely.

I can't really comment on the effectiveness of the program.. But it is run 
by female professors and students, so I assume it will not be that bad.
>
> > Another thing that bothers me in the article is when specific posts on
> > mailing lists are pointed out which contain sexist remarks and used to
> > make generalizations about that community.  The fact is that every
> > community has assholes.  This is the consequence of a largely
> > unmoderated medium and really can't be avoided.
>
> Could you provide some quotes?  I don't recall getting a negative
> impression about any community through this article, but maybe I glossed
> over something.  Surely just saying that someone acted like an asshat
> one day on an IRC channel doesn't paint the whole IRC channel as
> asshats?

It was just the impression that I got but perhaps I'm being too sensitive.  
For example, in the introduction, 
(http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x28.html#AEN41) she 
mentions some posts to the SLUG mailing list.  There were 3 polite and 
helpful replies to the original post and yet all the author pointed out 
was the one in bad taste.
I've been flamed and made fun of on mailing lists too but its nothing to 
get really upset about.  One just has to realize that there's always some 
people that have no social skills or are just plain idiots.
Perhaps the difference between a male and a female being flamed is that 
males tend to be more used to it.  Groups of males (even if they are all 
friends) tend to make fun of and insult each other regularly while females 
are not as inclined to.

~leo


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Re: email signatures

[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder]

On Friday 26 March 2004 04.04, Brad Sims wrote:
> On Thursday 25 March 2004 2:45 am, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder 
wrote:
> > 
> > Something around 76 character is considered the polite maximal line
> > length to use in email. Some even argue 72 so that it stays below 80
> > chars even with 2 or 3 levels of quoting.

> Indeed, but Nonbroken email/newsreaders will not quote sigs

Damn. I guess you win this one :-)

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Re: Hardware Support

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Christopher J. Noyes (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I am trying to find hardware support for two items. I wonder if anyone
> can help me HP DeskJet 842C. Just plain DeskJet would work



The printer should work with Cups (and probably with the other systems
as well, but I think Cups is easiest to set up).

> Creative Labs SoundBlaster 16 plug and play

To use sound, add yourself to the audio group, log out and in again.
Next you need to load the right driver - I think the sb module is the
one you need. If it doesn't load, tell us wether you have an ISA or PCI
card.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder]

On Thursday 25 March 2004 19.52, s. keeling wrote:

> I think (eg.) "Networking For Women" workshops are demeaning and
> insulting to women.  "What, you don't think I could handle a real
> networking course?!?  Pig!"  The women I hang with agree.  When I say
> something about it on-line, I'm roundly condemned for it from all
> sides.

I tend to agree. But experience here (Federal Institute of Technology, CS 
dept) has shown some women prefer having women-only groups over having mixed 
groups, which usually means 80-90% male.

(I don't know why Switzerland is so lagging wrt female participation in tech 
professions - AFAIK large part of europe have something like 30% women in CS. 
We are happy that the 10% mark has been hit and are looking at getting to 20% 
soonish.)

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Re: Hardware Support

[Paul Johnson]

"Christopher J. Noyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am trying to find hardware support for two items. I wonder if anyone can
> help me
>
> HP DeskJet 842C. Just plain DeskJet would work

Works perfectly.
http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=file&location=/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Hardware-HOWTO/printers.html

> Creative Labs SoundBlaster 16 plug and play

Supported.
http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=file&location=/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Hardware-HOWTO/sound.html

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Re: [OT] How big are Logitech's balls?

[Clive Menzies]

On (25/03/04 21:31), Andrew Perrin wrote:
> The one in my logitech T-BB18 is 35mm.
> 
> ap
> 
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> 
> > Logitech do some rather neat optical trackballs, called "Marble", with
> > a speckledy ball to give the optical sensor something to work on.
> >
> > Unfortunately they are all very decidedly asymmetrical and
> > right-handed only.
> >
> > I have a Trust Ami Track trackball, which is sensibly designed: it is
> > bilaterally symmetrical and equally suitable for right- or left-handed
> > use. Unfortunately it uses mechanical pickup, with the attendant
> > disadvantage of picking up finger grease which causes it to stop
> > working.
> >
> > So I've whacked an optical sensor in it, and speckled the ball by hand
> > with a felt pen. This took ages, and sooner or later I'm afraid the
> > speckles are going to wear off. No doubt the Logitech speckled balls
> > are more durably marked, so it would be worth my while to get a
> > Logitech optical trackball just for the ball, as long as it's the
> > right size.
> >
> > If anyone on the list has one of the Logitech devices, could you
> > please measure the diameter of the ball and let me know? Please be as
> > accurate as you can. The Trust needs a 40mm diameter ball; the
> > tolerance is something around +/-0.5mm.
Hi Pigeon

I've got a MS Optical Trackball (one of the best things to come out of MS that
I've used) unfortunately it's RH only.  The ball is 38mm.

HTH

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Re: DNS setup

[Anthony Campbell]

On 25 Mar 2004, H. S. wrote:
> Apparently, [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/25/04 18:52,typed:
> >I can connect and ping IPs, but DNS does not resolve. /etc/resolv.conf 
> >exists and the
> >ISPs servers are added automatically.
> >Now have no clue what to check. Any ideas?
> >
> >(I installed from Knoppix with the new Debian installer, and could connect 
> >under
> >Knoppix from CD. So this is Debian unstable.)
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Marcus
> 
> 
> This may be very tiny detail, but what are the permissions of
> /etc/resolv.conf?
> 
> ->HS
> 

I had something similar recently, which turned out to be due to tcp_en.
Look at /etc/sysctl.conf and set net.ipv4.tcp_ecn=0

Amthony


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False positive chkrootkit report for rpc.statd process as 'bindshell' exploit

[Karsten M. Self]

Going through system mail, I found several chkrootkit runs showing a
possible bindshell exploit:

Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  600) 
   
On checking with 'chkrootkit -x bindshell', turns out that I had a
process open on port 600 UDP:

 udp0  0 0.0.0.0:600 0.0.0.0:*

That's output of 'netstat -na'.  Running (thanks, bodq on #debian IRC)
'netstat -nupl', I see this is rpc.statd, which runs as part of my NFS
client configuration.  This process requests an arbitrary port from the
portmapper at startup, and isn't assigned a consistent port on multiple
invocations.

Restarting the nfs-common services (/etc/init.d/nfs-common restart)
reassigned the port and cleared the ckrootkit report.

Seems chkrootkit might want to check against known good services running
on arbitrary ports.


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How to start network _after_ pcmcia drivers load?

[Randy W. Sims]

I recently did a reinstall of Debian (3.0r1 kernel 2.4.18-686). I must 
have done something different this time as the network is trying to come 
up before the pcmcia driver is loaded which is where the network card 
is. The first time I installed on this laptop everything worked fine 
(after changing /etc/default/pcmcia: PCIC=yenta_socket).

Right now I "fix" it by doing a 'ifdown eth0' followed by 'ifup eth0' as 
soon as I log in. After this everything works as expected.

What is the best way to correct this?

Thanks,
Randy.
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aic7xxx kernel freeze...

[Ignacio Más Ivars]

Hi all!

I have a problem that is driving me crazy. I am trying install a custom
version of the 2.4.25 kernel no matter what I do it freezes dead when
trying to load the aic7xxx driver. I have tried to compile the driver in
the kernel, as a module, both the driver and the SCSI support as a
module, I have also tried to use the old aic7xxx driver, and still the
system freezes after displaying the 'SCSI subsystem driver Revision:
1.00' message. If the aic driver is compiled in the kernel then the
system does not boot at all... and if it is a module it freezes
completely when trying to load it. Of course the first idea is that the
card is fried... but a 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel from the installation disks
boots without a glitch and recognizes both the adaptec card and the SCSI
burner:

SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver, Apr 14 2002
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0
spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.
scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.4

aic7892: Ultra160 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 SCBs

  Vendor: PLEXTOR   Model: CD-R   PX-W1210S  Rev: 1.06
  Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
(scsi0:A:4): 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16)

I have also tried to enable the firmware build option  in the kernel...
and even all kind of debug messages, which I cannot see, since the
kernel does not respond and I need to reboot each time...

Here goes my kernel config, if that helps:

#
# SCSI support
#
CONFIG_SCSI=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=m
CONFIG_SD_EXTRA_DEVS=40
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR=y
CONFIG_SR_EXTRA_DEVS=2
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SCH is not set
CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=m
CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG_QUEUES=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING is not set

#
# SCSI low-level drivers
#
CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=m
CONFIG_AIC7XXX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=8
CONFIG_AIC7XXX_RESET_DELAY_MS=15000

Any hints of what can be wrong? I am running out of ideas!

Please, Cc to my e-mail address...
Thanks in advance!
/Nacho

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Re: Locale requirements for GnuCash

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 25 March 2004 22:40, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> Hello
>
> David Goodenough (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > I am trying to run GnuCash, and it keeps complaining when I start it
> >
> > Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
> >
> > I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected en_GB and en_GB.utf8
> > but I still get the error message.
> >
> > The only effect of this error seems to be that GnuCash does not
> > know that the currency symbol should be £ and uses the letters
> > GBP instead which is fine, but makes invoices look a bit odd.
> >
> > Anyone know how to fix this?
>
> Just a guess: did you log out and in again after changing the locale
> settings?
>
> best regards
> Andreas Janssen
>
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Yes I logged out, turned out that I needed to export LANG=en_GB
before it would work.  So I have written a little wrapper script to 
do this and then invoke gnucash.

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Re: RE: warning

[h.varney]

What does this mean?

Re: RE: warning

[h.varney]

2.6 kernel being less responsive than 2.4

[Caoilte O'Connor]

Hi,
I've been upgraded to the 2.6 kernel a little while now, but 
I must not have things configured properly because the 
performance I get is terrible.

Whenever I'm doing something CPU intensive my mouse becomes 
unresponsive, my mp3 player skips constantly and the like. 
This didn't used to happen for me under 2.4 so I'm 
wondering if it's possible i've done something very wrong.

Can anyone offer any advice? Perhaps a service is set at the 
wrong priority or something. I really wasn't sure what to 
search for under google.

(please cc: me because I'm not subscribed)

caoilte


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KThemeStyle cache seems corrupt!

[Bruno Bieth]

Bonjour,

Lorsque je lance une application kde, j'obtient le message.
KThemeStyle cache seems corrupt!
J'ai l'impression que ceci a à voir avec le crash de nombreuse d'entre-elles ?
( k3b : creation de projet
=>  QMetaObject::findSignal:KFileDetailView: Conflict with 
 
QListView::doubleClicked(QListViewItem*,const QPoint&,int)
kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( 
QObject 
*parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance )
QMetaObject::findSignal:K3bAudioListView: Conflict with 
QListView::doubleClicked(QListViewItem*,const QPoint&,int)
KCrash: Application 'k3b' crashing..

ou kdevelop : creation de projet également )

Merci pour vos réponses.

Bruno

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When I start a kde program, i get the following message :
KThemeStyle cache seems corrupt!
Many of this application crash when i try to do a common thing ( k3b when I 
start a new project, kdevelop when I create a new project etc ... ).
Is there a relation ?

Thanks,

Bruno

Re: Why can't Xfree86 use AGP 8X?

[Werner Mahr]

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Am Freitag, 26. März 2004 06:02 schrieb Marc Wilson:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 01:23:51PM +0100, Bjorn Johansson wrote:
> > If I try AGP ="8" in /etc/XF86Config-4 it says that the mode is invalid.
> > Is it really true that no higher than AGP 4X is supported, not even in
> > the latest Xfree86 4.4?
>
> I suppose everyone gets to guess whether or not your hardware actually
> supports AGP 8x?  Or what the hardware even *is*?

You mean, you don't know, if his Hardware supports 8x AGP?
OK, I have an ASRock K7S8X and a Chaintech GeForce FX 5200. Both Support (x 
and I have the same Problem.

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Inline PGP signatures [was: Re: email signatures]

[Joerg Johannes]

Am Fr, den 26.03.2004 schrieb Paul Johnson um 04:52:
> Joerg Johannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Am Do, den 25.03.2004 schrieb Paul Johnson um 03:03:
> >> For any signature, it's generally considered polite to put in a "-- "
> >> (that is, dash dash space newline) on a line by itself.  See my signature
> >> for an example.
> >> 
> >> See also: http://www.newbie.org/
> >> 
> >> - -- 
> > Errh, your sig starts with "- -- \n". Bad example. Go fix it.
> >
> > joerg
> 
> Not when using inline PGP signatures, then it's considered valid.

OK, sorry for that. But now to something else: I use evolution as mua,
and I don't quite understand what to do with inline PGP signatures. When
the signature is attached, I see a lock symbol at the bottom of the
mail, and when clicking on that lock the signature is checked (if the
key is available). This does not work with inline signed messages: I see
only the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
...
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
signature, but I don't know how to check the validity of such a
signature.
Is this brokenness of evolution? Or am I missing something fundamental?

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Re: Some sox questions.

[Adam Funk]

On Wednesday 24 March 2004 13:40, Chris Metzler wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:27:40 GMT
> Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 08:40, Adam Funk wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 07:40, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> 
 What does "file" say the weird .wav is?
>>> 
>>> RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 32 bit, stereo
>>> 44100 Hz
>> 
>> For comparison, one .wav file that XMMS will play is described thus:
>> RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 8 bit, mono
>> 11025 Hz
> 
> The amplitude resolution may be your problem.  A standard, CD-quality
> WAV is 16 bit.  Try specifying that explicitly on the sox command
> line (I think the command line option is -w with no argument).

That certainly does the trick for getting WAVE files to play in XMMS. 
(I'll just use *.cdr format for CD tracks.)

Some other WAVE files that XMMS won't play are described thus:
RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, ITU G.711 A-law, mono 8000 Hz
But they can be converted to usable version:
sox foo.wav -w foo-w.wav

I'm still curious, however, as to why the WAVE library for XMMS is so
fussy about the exact file type.


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Re: Promise or 3Ware? - booting

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:08:50, Alvin Oga wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> > The problem with software raid is that if the first (boot) disk
> > goes south, the system won't boot anymore. If you're using RAID1
> > just for data integrity and don't care if you have to open up the
> > machine and replace the disk to get it going again, then that's
> > no problem. If you want to maximize uptime, use hardware RAID1/RAID5.
> 
> i've not seen sw raid1 preventing a system boot if either/any disks
> goes down ... 

I have.

>   - just need to config it correctly .. and test it by pulling
>   the ide cable off of the disk under test

That's if the disk is _dead_. What if you have 2 disks in RAID1 mode,
you boot from the first disk, and while the boot sector is OK, the
rest of the disk doesn't respond (bad sectors or whatever). The kernel
won't be started. There, you're dead in the water.

You need to go to the system, and swap the disks physically, before
you can boot again. No data loss, presumably, but downtime.

The only way to fix this is to use either hardware raid, or a form
of software raid supported by the system BIOS. The latter isn't
supported under Linux with 2.6 kernels, so that's not an option.

>   - a properly config'd raid setup should still keep working
>   even if its in degraded mode

Well even if the first (boot) disk is dead completely, if the BIOS
doesn't support booting from the 2nd disk automatically
(90% of the BIOSes out there don't) you're _still_ dead in the water.

> - raid is NOT a reliable data backup
>   raid1 is the worst for data backup..
>   ( "rm filename.foo" and its gone from the other disk too
>   ( in a matter of seconds

You can't say it's not reliable .. it does _exactly_ what it's
supposed to do. You could use LVM snapshots I guess.

> > I think I should convert our internal dutch documentation to an
> > english MINI-HOWTO one of these days.
> 
> whats the url of the dutch version that can be externally accessible ?? 

It's on an internal webserver that isn't accessible from the outside.
Hang on .. http://www.miquels.cistron.nl/bootable-raid1.html

Mike.


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Re: Installing on an SiI680?

[Brian Brazil]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 03:45:49PM -0500, Brad Stockdale wrote:
> Hello all!!
> 
>I'm trying to install Debian on my second computer and have ran into 
> some problems... All my hard disks are connected to my computer via an 
> SiI680 based PCI IDE controller...



>On to the next thing I've been trying... I thought I would compile a 
> 2.4.25 kernel and drop it into the Debian 3.0r1 CD image and try to get it 
> integrated so I could boot the newer kernel and be able to install... 
> Unfortunantly that is proving to be more difficult than I originally 
> anticipated...
> 
>Does anyone have any advice for me? Should I continue on the road of 
> remastering the Debian CD #1 so I can boot? Is there a way to boot from 
> floppies and install from CD? Better still, is there a way to fix the 
> 'Cannot read ELF header' error? Or is there a way to backport the siimage 
> driver to 2.4.18 so I have a real copy of it?

My new computer last September had a SIL680(onboard). With a 160Gb drive. Much
fun.

I'd advise installing on a other system(remembering you'll probably only be able
to access the first 128GB if you have a large drive), compiling 2.4.25
and moving back the HDD. 

Presumably you have an onbroad IDE controller which you could use the
partition(at least the start) of the drive and do the base install.

Another option is that are modules available for the SIL680. Before
2.4.25 came out I was using initrd to load them. IIRC the installer
allows you to use arbitary modules. Otherwise Alt-F2 modprobe with a floppy.

Brian


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chkrootkit finds

[David Baron]

Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for readdir command
You have 1 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed

Is this a true report?
What does this do?
How to get rid of it if true?


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Re: How to start network _after_ pcmcia drivers load?

[Brian Brazil]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 04:10:29AM -0500, Randy W. Sims wrote:
> I recently did a reinstall of Debian (3.0r1 kernel 2.4.18-686). I must 
> have done something different this time as the network is trying to come 
> up before the pcmcia driver is loaded which is where the network card 
> is. The first time I installed on this laptop everything worked fine 
> (after changing /etc/default/pcmcia: PCIC=yenta_socket).
> 
> Right now I "fix" it by doing a 'ifdown eth0' followed by 'ifup eth0' as 
> soon as I log in. After this everything works as expected.

Have you tried putting the pcmcia drivers in /etc/modules?

Might require messing around with modules.conf (or Debian equivilent)

You could also use pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces. Seems messy
though.

While I don't use PCMCIA, all my network drivers are in /etc/modules
and I have never had problems with them (other than me trashing /etc/modules).

Brian


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Re: Promise or 3Ware? - booting

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya mike

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> > i've not seen sw raid1 preventing a system boot if either/any disks
> > goes down ... 
> 
> I have.
> 
> > - just need to config it correctly .. and test it by pulling
> > the ide cable off of the disk under test
> 
> That's if the disk is _dead_. What if you have 2 disks in RAID1 mode,
> you boot from the first disk, and while the boot sector is OK, the
> rest of the disk doesn't respond (bad sectors or whatever). The kernel
> won't be started. There, you're dead in the water.
> 
> You need to go to the system, and swap the disks physically, before
> you can boot again. No data loss, presumably, but downtime.
> 
> The only way to fix this is to use either hardware raid, or a form
> of software raid supported by the system BIOS. The latter isn't
> supported under Linux with 2.6 kernels, so that's not an option.

if the system can boot off /dev/hda  than sw raid can boot off of it
if the system can boot off /dev/hdc  than sw raid can boot off of it
 
sometimes ... if hda dies  the motherboard and/or bios is dumb
such that it also takes hdb offline too ( you lose both hda and hdb )

as long as there is nothing wrong electrically with the other
disk, if one disk of the mirror dies, than you will and should
be able to boot off the remaining disk automatically ( hands off )

if you cannot, you built a raid1 ( mirror ) for NO useful purpose
- buy better hardware -- test it better
- setup sw raid1 properly and test it properly

- tested properly is ( at a minimum ):
- pull hda off and see if you can do hands off boot
from just hdc
( tweek the raid1 subsystem till it boots w/ kb/screen )

as long as you dont reboot ...  a dead drive in a mirror is supposed
to keep working w/o problems in degraded mode
- replace the dead disk and it should all mirror itself 
onto the fresh new disk vs the "blank" disks mirroring onto the
remaining good disk

> > - raid is NOT a reliable data backup
> > raid1 is the worst for data backup..
> > ( "rm filename.foo" and its gone from the other disk too
> > ( in a matter of seconds
> 
> You can't say it's not reliable .. it does _exactly_ what it's
> supposed to do. You could use LVM snapshots I guess.

raid was never intended as backup ... thoush some folks think it is
- with 2 disks .. backup is not such a big deal ..
you acn always recover fairly quickly... minutes-hrs-even-a-day

but if you go offline too long, raid didnt help you
in the first place ;-)

high availability and cluster ( redundancy ) is 10x - 100x
better than raid 

but when you have TB or xxx TB of data in raid setup,
backups ( snapshots ) is not trivial ...

and if you take snapshots... you just confirmed that you/one should
make backups on a regular/irregular basis of important data of the raid
subsystem

thanx
alvin
 


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raid fun in debian (sarge)

[Mauricio]

	I have 2 120GB IDE drives in the second IDE controller of a 
P4 debian box that I would like to set up as a raid1 array.  Using 
info from the following links,

http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/12/05/RAID.html
http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html
I do



laurel:/home/debian# mdadm -Cv /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/hd{c,d}1
mdadm: /dev/hdd1 appears to contain a reiserfs file system
size = 117210208K
mdadm: size set to 117210112K
Continue creating array? y
mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.
laurel:/home/debian#urel:/home/debian# mdadm --detail --scan
ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 
UUID=a9ad3f4b:ec821a50:da01bd3e:1817087d
   devices=/dev/hdc1,/dev/hdd1
laurel:/home/debian#
laurel:/home/debian# mdadm -E /dev/hdc1
/dev/hdc1:
  Magic : a92b4efc
Version : 00.90.00
   UUID : a9ad3f4b:ec821a50:da01bd3e:1817087d
  Creation Time : Fri Mar 26 05:01:20 2004
 Raid Level : raid1
Device Size : 117210112 (111.78 GiB 120.02 GB)
   Raid Devices : 2
  Total Devices : 2
Preferred Minor : 0

Update Time : Fri Mar 26 05:01:20 2004
  State : dirty, no-errors
 Active Devices : 2
Working Devices : 2
 Failed Devices : 0
  Spare Devices : 0
   Checksum : b937ea96 - correct
 Events : 0.1
  Number   Major   Minor   RaidDevice State
this 0  2210  active sync   /dev/hdc1
   0 0  2210  active sync   /dev/hdc1
   1 1  22   651  active sync   /dev/hdd1
laurel:/home/debian#
# fdisk /dev/md0
[...]
Disk /dev/md0: 120.0 GB, 120023154688 bytes
2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 29302528 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/md0p1   129302528   117210110   83  Linux
Command (m for help): w
The partition table has been altered!
Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.

WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument.
The kernel still uses the old table.
The new table will be used at the next reboot.
Syncing disks.
laurel:/home/debian#

laurel:/# mount -o rw /dev/md0 /mnt
laurel:/# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1  18G  3.5G   14G  21% /
tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/md0  112G  177M  112G   1% /mnt
laurel:/#
But, when I try to write something to /mnt, I am told it is a 
read-only filesystem:

laurel:/# cd /mnt
laurel:/mnt# touch m
touch: cannot touch `m': Read-only file system
laurel:/mnt#
What am I missing here?

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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Katipo]

Alex Malinovich wrote:

 On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 16:28, Kent West wrote:

> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
>> I think you'd have to be incredibly smooth to pull off that
>> "husband" line without sounding like a jerk.
They just told him they were married.

> I wouldn't say it to a 20-year old girl; but a 35-year old who's
> beginning to question her fading youthful appeal or a 45-year old
> seems to brighten up on hearing it, if, as you say, it's done
> right. Just a quick comment, and then walk away, so the woman knows
> there's no "come on" or pick-up attempt.
Who was that mysterious masked stranger?

>
> Still, yes, I often suspect that it's going overboard.
Depends on your point of perception. Some people thought 'Titanic' was a 
great movie.

 Strangely enough, this paragraph did NOT get any newlines, while all
 the others did. Quite strange.
 But getting back to the topic at hand, if comments like those are
 inappropriate, then I'm the most sexist, chauvinistic pig ever born.
 In the year I spent working as a server at a restaurant, I probably
 doubled my overall tips through comments like that. (And from
 somewhat facetiously asking for ID before giving a senior citizen
 discount, though I generally did this for both men and women. :) Is
 that wrong? Well, maybe it's not perfectly ethical. But it makes the
 people I'm saying it feel good, and even if that doesn't get me a
 better tip, I'm still happy about making someone feel good.
Nothing wrong with that, in my book. Amazing how giving something away 
for nothing can make you feel so good.
One of the major reasons we are here. In a sociological scenario where 
we are practically forced to do everything in return for money, giving 
without expectation of return can bring spiritual relief.
Regards,

David.

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Re: chkrootkit finds

[Wang WenRui]

Are you running multithread process with NPTL?
It seems to be a false positive of chkrootkit.

Around 12 o'clock on 26 Mar, David Baron wrote:
> Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for readdir command
> You have 1 process hidden for ps command
> Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
> 
> Is this a true report?
> What does this do?
> How to get rid of it if true?
> 
> 


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Re: Config for 2.4.18-bf24

[Alexis Huxley]

> Where can I find the config for 2.4.18-bf24 kernel?

Install it and look in /boot/. There should be a file
called something like config-2.4.18-bf24 there.

Alexis


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Re: kernel-2.4.6 re-build steps

[Alexis Huxley]

> FATAL ERROR: inserting ext3
> (lib/modules/2.6.4-1-386/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.ko) : Invalid module format
> *snip*

Sounds like a mismatch between kernel and module versions. Are you
sure you installed the modules? Are you sure you are booting the
new kernel and not the old ones? Trying moving /etc/modules out
of the way so you don't load any (possibly old) modules at all.

Also try using the Debian kernel builder package instead of
hand-rolling.

Alexis


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Re: How/where does the kernal compute local time

[Alexis Huxley]

> Dos anyone know where or how in the kernal does the machine time gets
> converted to local time? I'm most curious as to how DST gets
> figured.
> For example, the machine runs on UTC, but I can set my TZ=EST.
>
> When I get my local time, it tells me if I'm in DST or not (the kernal
> must
> also be updating my local time by 1 hour if neccessary to). 

The kernel runs on GMT, or UTC, whichever you want to call it. Commands
like 'date' *display* the time in the local time zone, but the clock
they are reading is always in in GMT.

I think there is some low-level C function (maybe localtime() ?) that
consults various sources (environment variables, locale config files)
in order to determine how you would like the time presented to you.
The 'date' command almost certainly uses this.

As you saw, TZ affects this:

dione$ date
Fri Mar 26 12:12:00 CET 2004
dione$ TZ=GMT date
Fri Mar 26 11:12:03 GMT 2004
dione$ 

But normally you want to rely only on the config files to determine
how the time is presented to you. If you want to change these then
run 'tzconfig' as root. If you want to understand what it does then
just use a text editor on /usr/sbin/tzconfig (preferrably not as
root).

Regarding daylight saving time, again, the kernel does *not* change
the clock (if you're dual-booting with some MS-ish OS then this *it*
may change the clock though!). 

Again, the localtime() function knows how to determine when it should
start making adjustments in the way that it presents the time to you.

So just to repeat: the kernel does not convert GMT to local time. It
*only* uses GMT time. It is the *presentation* made by each and
every time-using command that does the conversion of time zone and
daylight saving time *for presentation purposes only*.

Alexis

http://dione.no-ip.org/~alexis/


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Re: USB installation

[Tom Allison]

Paul Johnson wrote:
Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Has anyone tried to do an sarge debian-install from a USB pen-drive?

I tried it but the motherboard doesn't do the USB boot very well.

Do I need to get an install floppy #1 to do this?


If it doesn't boot from the USB device itself, yes, you probably need
some other means to at least get past the booting phase.
I had to set the device to USB-ZIP in the bios and it's working great!

The current version of the sarge-installer is really impressive.

To be brief, it's much easier to use than others I have tried recently 
(YaST2): fast, clean, accurate.
It doesn't have the eye-candy because it's not running X, which can be a 
very good thing.
It doesn't do XFree86 configuration, because it's not supposed to, but 
comparison to other distros one might think it should.  But this can 
also be a good thing.

In short, no surprises, not disappointments.  And I did it all from a 
USB stick.

Compared to earlier debian installers, I was bored.  Not enough questions.

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Re: DNS setup

[Alexis Huxley]

> I can connect and ping IPs, but DNS does not resolve. /etc/resolv.conf exists and 
> the 
> ISPs servers are added automatically.
> Now have no clue what to check. Any ideas?

Move /etc/host.conf to /etc/host.conf.off and post the contents of
running 'grep hosts: /etc/nsswitch.conf'.

Alexis

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Re: Shell pipe command with key pause

[Alexis Huxley]

> I am wondering how to write simple shell script of "more" equivalent:
>
>  1. read from stdin
>  2. write to stdout
>  3. this loop is paused by key
>
> Of course, I know this can be dome by other means but when I was making
> a bit more complicated shell script, I could not find an easy way to stop 
> the script when stdin is redirected.  Is there any trick with exec
> buildin?

Check the comp.unix.shell FAQ and if that doesn't help you, try posting
to comp.unix.shell newsgroup.

Alexis


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Via Epia 5000 Video RAM

[Tom Allison]

I'm trying to install XFree86 and it's asking about video ram.

I don't know how much ram to specify.  The online docs I can find say it 
uses system RAM.

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Re: Inline PGP signatures [was: Re: email signatures]

[Alex Malinovich]

On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 03:59, Joerg Johannes wrote:
> Am Fr, den 26.03.2004 schrieb Paul Johnson um 04:52:
> > Joerg Johannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Am Do, den 25.03.2004 schrieb Paul Johnson um 03:03:
> > >> For any signature, it's generally considered polite to put in a "-- "
> > >> (that is, dash dash space newline) on a line by itself.  See my signature
> > >> for an example.
> > >> 
> > >> See also: http://www.newbie.org/
> > >> 
> > >> - -- 
> > > Errh, your sig starts with "- -- \n". Bad example. Go fix it.
> > >
> > > joerg
> > 
> > Not when using inline PGP signatures, then it's considered valid.
> 
> OK, sorry for that. But now to something else: I use evolution as mua,
> and I don't quite understand what to do with inline PGP signatures. When
> the signature is attached, I see a lock symbol at the bottom of the
> mail, and when clicking on that lock the signature is checked (if the
> key is available). This does not work with inline signed messages: I see
> only the
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> ...
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> signature, but I don't know how to check the validity of such a
> signature.
> Is this brokenness of evolution? Or am I missing something fundamental?
> 
> joerg

What you're seeing is the ASCII armored ('armoured' in the rest of the
English speaking world outside of the US :) PGP signature. I don't know
if there's a way to 'teach' evolution about them, but if there is I've
never found it. If you want to check the validity of a signature that
has been encoded inline like that, you should save the message to disk
and then manually run 'gpg --verify testmessage.txt'.

It's not a solution you're going to want to use on a daily basis, but if
you want to encrypt your mail to someone who prefers it (such as myself,
see sig) you should obviously make sure that you can get a valid
signature from them first before email them off-list with an encrypted
email. Once you've verified that the signature is valid (or at least as
valid as its going to get without having to go to a key signing party),
then you can RELATIVELY safely assume that the key is REASONABLY valid. 

(Of course, when dealing with public key systems, unless you personally
got that key from a TRUSTED individual on some form of non-modifiable
media and have had them verify it, you can't be all THAT sure, but for
day to day communications you can be sure enough.)

-- 
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Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the
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Re: raid fun in debian (sarge)

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya mauricio


On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Mauricio wrote:

>  not needed>

you should move /dev/hdd  to /dev/hde  for reasons
mike and i were saying ... you cant boot or use the other
disk if one of um goes bonkers
- its fairly common if the master disk is whacky,
that the slave on the same cable will be ignored
by the bios and its hardware drivers
 
> laurel:/home/debian# mdadm -Cv /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 /dev/hd{c,d}1
> mdadm: /dev/hdd1 appears to contain a reiserfs file system
>  size = 117210208K
> mdadm: size set to 117210112K
> Continue creating array? y
> mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.

good

> laurel:/home/debian#urel:/home/debian# mdadm --detail --scan
> ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 

good

...

> # fdisk /dev/md0
> [...]
> Disk /dev/md0: 120.0 GB, 120023154688 bytes
> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 29302528 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
> 
>  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/md0p1   129302528   117210110   83  Linux
> 
> Command (m for help): w
> The partition table has been altered!


bad boy ...  ???  or good ... if you really wanted to partition it

now you have to:
mkreiserfs /dev/md0
mount /dev/md0 /raid
touch /raid/anything.txt

> laurel:/# mount -o rw /dev/md0 /mnt

you really should NOT have been able to mount it if
you did a fdisk and write .. and didnt format it

but ... its a nice feature to sometimes fix partition boundries 

> laurel:/# df -h
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda1  18G  3.5G   14G  21% /
> tmpfs 252M 0  252M   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/md0  112G  177M  112G   1% /mnt
> laurel:/#
> 
> But, when I try to write something to /mnt, I am told it is a 
> read-only filesystem:
> 
> laurel:/# cd /mnt
> laurel:/mnt# touch m
> touch: cannot touch `m': Read-only file system
> laurel:/mnt#

its using the old superblock info from when the disk was
individually /dev/hdc  and /dev/hdd ..

c ya
alvin


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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 11:40:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Yeah, hyphenation irritates me because, taken to its logical extreme, it
> can't continue.  I thought it would be cool to invent our own last name,
> but my s.o. is hyper-aware of the fact that he is the only person of his
> generation with his last name *in the entire country*.  So actually, his
> protestations against changing his last name held more merit than most.
> 

You can just follow the Spanish custom: nobody changes the name,
everyone has at least two equally valid family names. Your first
family name is your father's family name, your second family name is
your mother's first family name. The last guy to win the elections in
Spain is (Rodríguez[1st] Zapatero[2nd]), however, he is called either
way, i.e., [1st] or [2nd]. It is even the custom in Spanish speaking
countries that usually in the school they will call you by the most
resounding or pictorial of your family names.


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chkrootkit: many hidden processes

[Kristian Niemi]

Ran chkrootkit, and it found several (over 12) hidden processes.
Checked with chkrproc, and it seems like the following programs create 
(several) hidden processes:

Mozilla Thunderbird: 6 hidden processes
Mozilla Firefox: 4 hidden processes
Clamav-daemon: 1 hidden process
Fireflier-server: 2 hidden processes
Fireflier-client: 3 hidden processes
(I stopped/started the programs, and noted how many hidden processes 
went away / came to being.)

Now, I actually don't have a clue what this means.

Are there bugs in the mentioned software? I assume it can't have 
anything to do with any settings or some such, but that it has to do 
with `how the programs are'? Should it be like this?

What can I do about it? /Should/ I do anything about it? Is it safe to 
keep running them?

h: Kristian

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Re: Via Epia 5000 Video RAM

[Brian Brazil]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:10:09AM -0500, Tom Allison wrote:
> I'm trying to install XFree86 and it's asking about video ram.
> 
> I don't know how much ram to specify.  The online docs I can find say it 
> uses system RAM.
> 

Leave it blank - works fine for me.

Correct answer might be in the BIOS.

Brian


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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Kent West]

Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 10:24:09PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
 

One way I treated one of the women on this list (you? Emma?) differently 
is like I said earlier; I posted something like "Cool! A woman and she's 
a geek! ". It was inappropriate, sure, but even 
at that, I _never_ would have posted that in response to a guy's post.
   

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200301/msg04538.html

It wasn't that bad. Take a look at the context. I knocked my own gender in
jest and someone followed suit. Nothing wrong with that (in my mind
anyway). I don't /remember/ ever being offended by the comment. I'm
pretty sure I thought it was funny and typical of many encounters I've had
with male geeks face-to-face. The big difference was that I got the answer
*before* the slobbering and incoherence struck. ;) 

Did I send you a rude response off-list or something?

No; it's just that this whole thread has caused me to question how 
inappropriate such a response may have been. I may be a politically 
incorrect throwback to the 60's, but that doesn't mean I don't want to 
be socially acceptable :-)

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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Kent West]

Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:

PS I'll probably change my last name when I get married because Kent is
way cooler than Hogbin. Not to mention I've always wanted to have a name
that's 4+4+4 letters long. Hogbin's too long.
 

Emma Jane Kent - Cool. And I'm flattered . . . 
(there goes that politically incorrect '60s throwback again . . .)
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Re: Inline PGP signatures [was: Re: email signatures]

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Joerg Johannes (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Am Fr, den 26.03.2004 schrieb Paul Johnson um 04:52:
>> Joerg Johannes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
>>> Errh, your sig starts with "- -- \n". Bad example. Go fix it.
>> 
>> Not when using inline PGP signatures, then it's considered valid.
> 
> OK, sorry for that. But now to something else: I use evolution as mua,
> and I don't quite understand what to do with inline PGP signatures.
> When the signature is attached, I see a lock symbol at the bottom of
> the mail, and when clicking on that lock the signature is checked (if
> the key is available). This does not work with inline signed messages:
> I see only the
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> ...
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> signature, but I don't know how to check the validity of such a
> signature.
> Is this brokenness of evolution? Or am I missing something
> fundamental?

As far as I know evolution does not support the old (and very common)
inline PGP/GPG signatures. Instead it only supports attatched GPG/PGP
signatures (PGP/MIME). The problem is that many other MUAs only support
inline signatures, but not PGP/MIME, and some need additional software
to support PGP/MIME (like aegypten for kmail). Check ix 03/2004 for an
overview on PGP support in common MUAs.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: OT: last names

[Kent West]

Monique Y. Herman wrote:

If someone tells me I
have to do something, I tend to do the exact opposite, even if I would
originally have done it the way I've been told to.
 

You have to refrain from sending me a check for $100.

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usb broadband modem

[jack kinnon]

Hi folks,
 
I want to upgrade to sid, via network installation. To deal with the download, I have upgraded to broadband service. The USB modem, which comes free with the subscription, is Prolink Hurricane 8000. Just found out from Prolink website this modem does not work with Linux. Hopefully the Linux community have developed a driver for it?
 
Any pointer?
 
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Re: Via Epia 5000 Video RAM

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Tom Allison (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I'm trying to install XFree86 and it's asking about video ram.
> 
> I don't know how much ram to specify.  The online docs I can find say
> it uses system RAM.

Did you try to leave the setting alone? In many cases you do not need to
enter the amount of video RAM, because XFree is able to decect it
automatically. If you want or need to select the size manually, maybe
you should take a look at your BIOS, or at this page:


best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Number Six]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 07:01:50AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Emma Jane Kent - Cool. And I'm flattered . . . 
> (there goes that politically incorrect '60s throwback again . . .)

Actually the 60s parallel may be pretty on-topic here: the way women 
were treated in the Berkley radical movements, the student protests 
sounds very analgous to the TLDP document and the way women are treated 
in the technology area, i.e., both were male-dominated and women were 
rare.  I forget where but I heard a woman say that at speeches, male speakers
would not address whatever was said by the women, but would address whatever
was said by the previous man.  See the scene in "Forrest Gump" for an example.


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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Kent West]

Monique Y. Herman wrote:

I mean, if you were reading through, I dunno, some
female-majority list, would you wonder about the stats of every one of
them?  Seems unlikely.
 

Having never done it, I can't say for sure, but, "probably".

Sitting in a restaurant last night, 7 people walked in; 4 men; 3 women. 
This morning, I could tell you what the women looked like, what they 
wore, which ones had rings on their marriage finger; I couldn't tell you 
a thing about the men.

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Re: chkrootkit: many hidden processes

[Anders Karlsson]

On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 12:07, Kristian Niemi wrote:
> Ran chkrootkit, and it found several (over 12) hidden processes.
> Checked with chkrproc, and it seems like the following programs create 
> (several) hidden processes:
> 
> Mozilla Thunderbird: 6 hidden processes
> Mozilla Firefox: 4 hidden processes
> Clamav-daemon: 1 hidden process
> Fireflier-server: 2 hidden processes
> Fireflier-client: 3 hidden processes
> 
> (I stopped/started the programs, and noted how many hidden processes 
> went away / came to being.)

They are threads. I read yesterday about this when I was trying to find
some other stuff. Was an interesting read. Apparently you can use 'ps
-ef -T' to see the threads as well. 

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Re: usb broadband modem

[Brian Brazil]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 04:49:07AM -0800, jack kinnon wrote:
> Hi folks,
>  
> I want to upgrade to sid, via network installation. To deal with the download, I 
> have upgraded to broadband service. The USB modem, which comes free with the 
> subscription, is Prolink Hurricane 8000. Just found out from Prolink website this 
> modem does not work with Linux. Hopefully the Linux community have developed a 
> driver for it?
>  
> Any pointer?
>  

*(www.google.com)

First result for 'Prolink Hurricane 8000 Linux driver' seems promising.

Brian


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apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[Pete RedHair]

Hi,

i'm running a linux box with debeian stable.

Because of some needed features i've upgrade my
postfix and spamassasin packages to testing and along
with it apt upgraded a lot of other packages.

Everything i tested is working ok except for
mailgraph.

In /var/log/apache/error.log i get the following
messages:

[Fri Mar 26 13:26:12 2004] [error] [client
192.168.10.29] Premature end of script headers:
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi
libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h
from libpng-1.0.12
libpng warning: Application  is  running with png.c
from libpng-1.2.5
libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in
application and library

and now i don't get may mail statistics graphs from
mailgraph.

I've tried to install libpng10-0 but it didn't solve
the problem and since i'm a newbie i don't know what
to do.

Can someone help me to solve this problem ?
I really need the graphs to put them in a
presentation.

Thanks in advance
Pete


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Re: chkrootkit: many hidden processes

[Kristian Niemi]

Er ... Then, should someone tell chkrootkit that as well, or ... ?

h: Kristian

Anders Karlsson wrote:
They are threads. I read yesterday about this when I was trying to find
some other stuff. Was an interesting read. Apparently you can use 'ps
-ef -T' to see the threads as well. 

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RE: Make your own Debian Woody Dist. Server on Apache - AGAIN

[Simmel]

Hi List,

I already asked this question, but the answers weren't of any use for me
I looked @ this apt-cache and apt-proxy stuff and it's far too much.

I don't need to drive a Ferrari to get some cigarettes from the corner, if a
bicycle will do the job!
Okay I'll go back to the start and ask my question in another way. I'll
try to be more precisley ^^


1. Is it possible to use apache or ftp proggies for my debian-cd's, so I can
use them for client installation?


2. Assuming the answer is yes on the first question, HOW do I have to copy
the cds onto apache or the ftp?
Simply copy disc by disc or do I need to take care of special files, which
might be overwritten and make the copying more or less useless?


3. Assuming the copying is possible without any hassle, do I have to use
special directories or can I use my own directory tree?


I think it should be possible, but before copying nearly 7 CD's with around
650 MB, which might be worthless afterwards, I'd first like to know if there
are any tasks which need to be done, before copying?

Thank you,
Simmel



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Re: chkrootkit finds

[Chris Metzler]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:33:01 +0200
David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for readdir command
> You have 1 process hidden for ps command
> Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
> 
> Is this a true report?
> What does this do?
> How to get rid of it if true?

You may wish to read the documentation and/or search the web.

Specifically, /usr/share/doc/chkrootkit/README.Debian , the chkrootkit
open bug reports, what Wichart Akkerman wrote about this at
http://www.wiggy.net/debian/developer-securing/ , and especially the
archives of this mailing list.

There, you can find links to info on when and why this can produce a false
positive.

-c

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Re: Dual Display on a Laptop?

[Andy Firman]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 02:58:52PM +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote:
> > Nicolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-26 04:55]:
> >
> > On Thursday 25 March 2004 22:37, arief# wrote:
> > >
> > > I mean, can I make it viewing different view than the ones coming up on
> > > my LCD?
> > >
> >
> > Sure you can, just like a dualhead.  I use this configuration at work.  One
> > server on my laptop LCD and another one on an external CRT.  Both have the
> > same window manager and one mouse, one keyboard, but with different
> > resolution/refreshrate.
> >
> > All you need to do is declare two screens and make your server something like
> > that :
> > Section "ServerLayout"
> > Identifier  "DualJob"
> > Screen  "Screen0" 0 0
> > Screen  "Screen2" RightOf "Screen0"
> > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
> > InputDevice "Mouse1" "SendCoreEvents"
> > InputDevice "Mouse2" "SendCoreEvents"
> > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
> > EndSection
> >
> >
> 
> Great thing!  This would be the solution I've always wanted for my
> laptop and Linux!
> 
> Can you send me (us) some more hints, how this works?
> - Configuration of the two screens
> - Are both displays active all the time or is it possible to switch
>   them on and off independently?

Here is my XF86Config-4 file pasted below.
I use a Thinkpad A31 with 15" screen and external 15" Flat panel monitor.
My setup has 2 complete desktops...one for each screen.
The mouse freely travels between each. This is a great setup.
But I can't drag applications across to each other because they are
independant desktops.
The laptop display runs at 1400x1050 and the external runs at 1024x768.
I am not an expert at all and this was put together by researching
the web for a couple of hours so there may be stuff in here that's not right.

--
Section "Files"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"record"
Load"speedo"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xfree86"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "PS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "SendCoreEvents""true"
Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Device[0]"
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Screen  0
Option  "NoDDC"
Option  "Rotate" "off"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Device[1]
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Screen  1
Option  "Rotate" "off"
Option  "NoDDC"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Monitor[0]"
HorizSync   30-90
VertRefresh 40-80
Option  "DPMS"
UseModes"Modes[0]"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Monitor[1]"
HorizSync   30-90
VertRefresh 40-80
Option  "DPMS"
UseModes"Modes[1]"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
  Identifier   "Modes[0]"
  Modeline  "1400x1050" 61.19 1024 1040 1216 1400 768 768 777 802
  Modeline  "1024x768" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
  Modeline  "1400x1050" 162.08 1400 1480 1768 1896 1050 1050 1063 1097 -hsync 
-vsync
EndSection

Section "Modes"
  Identifier   "Mo

Re: Make your own Debian Woody Dist. Server on Apache - AGAIN

[Florian Ernst]

Hello 'Simmel'!

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 03:06:09PM +0100, Simmel wrote:
> I already asked this question, but the answers weren't of any use for me
> I looked @ this apt-cache and apt-proxy stuff and it's far too much.

I personally think the answers were well suited _for the question you
asked_.

> 1. Is it possible to use apache or ftp proggies for my debian-cd's, so I can
> use them for client installation?

Please take a look at the 'Frequently Asked Questions about Debian
CDs' at
http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#lan-install

> 2. Assuming the answer is yes on the first question, HOW do I have to copy
> the cds onto apache or the ftp?
> Simply copy disc by disc or do I need to take care of special files, which
> might be overwritten and make the copying more or less useless?

One CD, one dir.

> 3. Assuming the copying is possible without any hassle, do I have to use
> special directories or can I use my own directory tree?

Just copy them in a way you like them to get accessed later on.
ftp-servers and web-servers are quite flexible these days, so pick
your layout and correctly setup your servers.

HTH,
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Re: Some sox questions.

[Chris Metzler]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:00:38 GMT
Adam Funk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Some other WAVE files that XMMS won't play are described thus:
> RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, ITU G.711 A-law, mono 8000 Hz
> But they can be converted to usable version:
> sox foo.wav -w foo-w.wav

Right.  8000Hz A-law and u-law (.au) files are (were?) intended for use in
digital telephony applications.  You saw them all the time 10 or 15
years ago (u-law especially on Sun boxes), and I guess some applications
still use them; but not many create them anymore.  It's not WAVE
audio in the way most people refer to ".wav" files these days.

xmms' documentation (in /usr/share/doc/xmms/) states what file formats
it supports:

} 5.1 Supported File formats
} -
} 
} OGG Vorbis
} MP2 and MP3 streams
} WAV/AU samples

. . .which tells me that A-law support wasn't put in.


> I'm still curious, however, as to why the WAVE library for XMMS is so
> fussy about the exact file type.

In general, because it needs to know how to convert the audio data into
a PCM stream that a soundcard would know what to do with; that, in turn,
means the developer of xmms has to encode that capability into xmms
(or use a library that provides the needed capability).  If he/she
didn't, then xmms won't know what to do with the data.

I am a little surprised that xmms couldn't do anything with 32-bit, when
it can handle 16-bit.

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Re: x-crash (please decipher my log file)

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Niels L. Ellegaard wrote:
I recently updated my xfree from 4.0 to 4.3 (sarge). Suddenly my x
stopped working. I would be grateful if someone could help me decipher
my log file. 

My XF86Conf-4 is almost directly created by dpkg-reconfigure. However
I removed the part about the generic mouse because I got a complaint
that I did not have the device /dev/input/mice (I don't know how to
create it... I make a symbolic link, and it get's deleted)
When I write dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I get an error saying
"open_sock() No such device". Afterwards I get errors saying that the
configlets ofxserver-common and timezoneconf are bad.
In dmesg I have a lot of messages like the following
atkdb.c: Unknown key released (tanslated set 2, code 0x7 on isa0060/serio0)
atkbd.c: This is an XFREE86 bug. It shouldn't access hardware directly
Would it help if I started XFree86 in gdb to create a log?

  Thanks in advance

  Niels

Well, I think it is a bug. No (EE) and just segfault!? So what I would 
do is use the Nvidia closed-source driver. I always use it and always 
have good results. Just download:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_archive.html

and pick 4496 or 4363. The reason I say that is because I am running now 
with 4620 and I don't see that one.

The only hitch with running their script is that they need your 
kernel-headers, so install them. It will install nvidia.o into 
../kernel/drivers/video so put nvidia into /etc/modules.

Then in your XF86Config-4 change "nv" to "nvidia".

I don't get the kernel-headers because I roll my own kernel, also run 
the latest Sarge and X-4.3.0

Hugo.



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Re: Inline PGP signatures [was: Re: email signatures]

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 10:59:24AM +0100, Joerg Johannes wrote:

| > Not when using inline PGP signatures, then it's considered valid.
| 
| OK, sorry for that. But now to something else: I use evolution as mua,
| and I don't quite understand what to do with inline PGP signatures.

Upgrade them to PGP/MIME.

This configuration is for maildrop, translation to procmail (if
desired) is an exercise for the reader :

## -
# Fix the old-school PGP signatures
if ( ${Content-Type:} =~ /text\/plain/ && !(${Content-Type:} =~ /multipart/) && 
!(${Content-Type:} =~ /application\/pgp/) )
{

if ( /^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-/:bD && \
 /^-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-/:bD && \
 /^-END PGP SIGNATURE-/:bD \
   )
{
xfilter "reformail -i \"Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; 
x-action=sign\""
}

if ( /^-BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-/:bD && /^-END PGP MESSAGE-/:bD )
{
xfilter "reformail -i \"Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; 
x-action=encrypt\""
}
}

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Re: apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[Pete RedHair]

--- Robert Harris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete RedHair wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > i'm running a linux box with debeian stable.
> > 
> > Because of some needed features i've upgrade my
> > postfix and spamassasin packages to testing and
> along
> > with it apt upgraded a lot of other packages.
> > 
> > Everything i tested is working ok except for
> > mailgraph.
> 
> > Can someone help me to solve this problem ?
> > I really need the graphs to put them in a
> > presentation.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > Pete
> > 
> I suggest you change your /etc/apt/sources.list so
> that it references 
> just testing (or sarge) instead of woody or stable
> and then do a:
> 
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> Running with a mixture of woody and sarge is always
> going to lead to 
> problems.
> 
> Robert

Thanks for the advice Robert.

Although i was thinking about it i don't want to do it
now because the server is in production and i don't
have a way of restoring everything very quickly if
something goes wrong or broken.

I was hopping that there was a way of fixing this and
when i have the necessary resources (time, another hd,
...) i would do this upgrade.

I think that testing is now "stable" enough to be used
on a internal server, do you agree ?


=
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Re: OT: last names

[Katipo]

Kent West wrote:

Monique Y. Herman wrote:

If someone tells me I
have to do something, I tend to do the exact opposite, even if I would
originally have done it the way I've been told to.
 

You have to refrain from sending me a check for $100.

You're cheap.
I insist she doesn't send me one for a $1000.00.
Regards,
David.

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Re: apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Pete RedHair wrote:
Hi,

i'm running a linux box with debeian stable.

Because of some needed features i've upgrade my
postfix and spamassasin packages to testing and along
with it apt upgraded a lot of other packages.
You mean you upgraded your system from woody to sarge.


Everything i tested is working ok except for
mailgraph.
In /var/log/apache/error.log i get the following
messages:
[Fri Mar 26 13:26:12 2004] [error] [client
192.168.10.29] Premature end of script headers:
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi
libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h
from libpng-1.0.12
libpng warning: Application  is  running with png.c
from libpng-1.2.5
libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in
application and library
and now i don't get may mail statistics graphs from
mailgraph.
I've tried to install libpng10-0 but it didn't solve
the problem and since i'm a newbie i don't know what
to do.
Can someone help me to solve this problem ?
I really need the graphs to put them in a
presentation.
In the upgrade did you use "script ... exit" so you kept a record of 
what all was upgraded?
Was mailgraph upgraded also?
Are there bugs against mailgraph in the buglist?
So what happens if you apt-get remove mailgraph and install it again?

Hugo.



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Mozilla FireFox and extensions

[Magnus Therning]

I was trying to update the RSS reader extension to my FireFox today[1],
but ran into an error:

XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: chrome:// mozapps/content/xpinstall/xpinstallConfirm.xul
Line Number 1, Column 3:

id="itmeList" flex="1" style="height" 16em; overflow; auto;"/>
--^

/M
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Re: Gnome battery applet don't work with normal user account

[Mark Roach]

On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 18:34 +0100, Sascha Petranka wrote:
> ON my Notebook ASUS L8400B, I've installed Debian Sarge with Gnome 2.4
> The Battery Applet works fine, when I'm logged in as root, but not with a
> normal user account. Then the following Error message appears:
> 
> Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket!
> 
> Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and
> the acpid daemon is running.
> 
> There is no acpid runnig (in both scenarios) and the doesn't exists
> in both situations.

Why don't you just install acpid?

-Mark


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Re: linux 2.6.X and dri-trunk

[csj]

On 24. March 2004 at 10:51AM +0100,
Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 08:44:09AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > On 17. March 2004 at 12:29AM +0800,
> > csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 15. March 2004 at 5:04PM +0100,
> > > Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Okay, I removed drm-trunk so I can use the "native" 2.6
> > > driver.  But still no DRI.  Since my radeonfb is a module,
> > > I tried modprobe'ing radeonfb but I get an error message
> > > like "cannot reserve FB region".  Does radeonfb have to be
> > > compiled in?  Does it make a difference if I have only
> > > generic vesa FB support?

[...]

> You can compile in more than one fb driver. If there is no
> radeon card, the radeonfb driver just won't be used.  I
> wouldn't be surprised if this makes a difference.

Well I compiled it in and it didn't make a difference.  On
hindsight I think it would be suprising if it did make a
difference.  I had "radeonfb" compiled as a module for both 2.4
and 2.6.  And for both kernels I don't have "radeonfb: loaded.
Or I could unload it while X is running

> > I just found out something suspicious with the radeon kernel
> > module in 2.6.  I could rmmod it even when X is running!  Under
> > 2.4, I get a resource busy error.
> 
> Looks like X is not using dri then. Did you look for errors in
> /var/log/XFree86.log, or in the dmesg output ?

This is the best I can come up with:

$ grep -A 10 'Option "dri" is not used' kernel-2.6-XFree86.0.log
(WW) RADEON(0): Option "dri" is not used
(II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
(==) RandR enabled
(II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
(II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
(II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
(II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
(II) Initializing built-in extension LBX
(II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP
(II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
(II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA

$ grep -A 10 'Option "dri" is not used' kernel-2.4-XFree86.0.log
(WW) RADEON(0): Option "dri" is not used
(II) RADEON(0): X context handle = 0x0001
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] installed DRM signal handler
(II) RADEON(0): [DRI] installation complete
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] Added 32 65536 byte vertex/indirect buffers
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] Mapped 32 vertex/indirect buffers
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] dma control initialized, using IRQ 11
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] Initialized kernel GART heap manager, 5111808
(II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
(==) RandR enabled
(II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM

Apparently with kernel 2.6 DRI is disabled after the driver
detects that DRI is not being used.


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AW: Make your own Debian Woody Dist. Server on Apache - AGAIN

[Simmel]

Hello 'Simmel'!


>> I already asked this question, but the answers weren't of any use for
me
>> I looked @ this apt-cache and apt-proxy stuff and it's far too much.

>I personally think the answers were well suited _for the question you
>asked_.

As I said before, I don't go into the Dusseldorf Oldtown with an Armani
Suite to enter a students pub
these answers were "overdressed" for me. Pretty good indeed, but more then I
(personally) was looking for.
I like to keep it simple point


>Please take a look at the 'Frequently Asked Questions about Debian
>CDs' at
>http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#lan-install

Ops, where did you get that FAQ? Oh, http://www.de.debian.org/CD/ also
exists,
why didn't I see this before? Where's the link from?
I found lots of FAQs and HowTos, but it seems I missed that one in
particular :/
but those were under http://www.de.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ 

>> 2. Assuming the answer is yes on the first question, HOW do I have to
copy
>> the cds onto apache or the ftp?
>> Simply copy disc by disc or do I need to take care of special files,
which
>> might be overwritten and make the copying more or less useless?

>One CD, one dir.

Thanks :-)


>> 3. Assuming the copying is possible without any hassle, do I have to use
>> special directories or can I use my own directory tree?

>Just copy them in a way you like them to get accessed later on.
>ftp-servers and web-servers are quite flexible these days, so pick
>your layout and correctly setup your servers.

>HTH,
>Flo

That HTH's 150%!! thanks Flo, exactly this answer would have been enough for
me, next time
I'll try to be more precisely (I'll try to remember that :-).

Nevertheless I've bookmarked the apt-proxy and apt-cache and will get back
on them when I got more time...
but to be honest I got a lot of test servers here, so there would be no need
to keep track which package on
which server, which version, blablabla, because they're reinstall every 2
weeks, also with other distributions, etc

Whatever man, that definitely solved my headache and lot's of time I can use
on other more important stuff...

Thanks once again mate :-)
Simmel (that's my nickname from 5th class on, nobody calls me Jens :-)



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Re: how to do/repair a raid1 missing disk install (was: Re: lilo + raid = disaster (again))

[Antony Gelberg]

Awesome post Henrique.  This is worth structuring into a howto.  This is
the third time I've tried this, and the third time I've hosed the boot
sector, and I'm tired of it.  If you don't have time to make it into a
howto, let me know and I'll do it.

At this point, I have managed to recover to the point where I'm booting
off /dev/hda, and mounted /dev/md0 as /.  I've changed the partition
type of /dev/hda1 to fd, and added it.  My raid array is now syncing
nicely.

I've now amended lilo.conf so that boot and root are both /dev/md0, and
I have raid-extra-boot=mbr-only.

However, lilo -tv reports:
Warning: using BIOS device code 0x80 for RAID boot blocks
Warning: /dev/hdc is not on the first disk
Fatal: map file must be on the boot RAID partition

Is this because the array hasn't finished syncing, or is something
sinister going on?

I do have a system where I don't have the raid-extra-boot line in there,
and it works great.  Why could this be?  Am I living on the edge with
that box?

A


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Re: OT: last names

[Raiz-mpx]

>> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>>If someone tells me I
>>have to do something, I tend to do the exact opposite, even if I 
>>would
>>originally have done it the way I've been told to.
>>
>>
>Kent wrote:
>You have to refrain from sending me a check for $100.

Thats funny!

This all makes me think about political correctness how its un proper 
to use certain words in public.  But in private the group calls each 
other the same name.  Or the hoopla a few years ago about the use of 
words that are perfectly legal, but due to ignorance some think it 
is racist, like niggardly.

What ever happend to people with thick skin, where is the tolerance 
that so many claim to have?

Rthoreau


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Re: locale errors

[Conall O'Brien]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 11:17:52PM GMT, Al Davis 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> incoherently babbled:

> If someone can explain why this happens, that would be nice.  I am 
> guessing that it has something to do with locale being updated, but 
> some applications or dynamic libraries or something like that are 
> already running with the old one, so it gets a mix and complains.

The enviromental variable $LC_CTYPE is one of the shell variables that
people like myself set ourselves if we want to use Unicode or another
system locale. Run locale -a for a list of locales available on your
system.


Unfortunately, Perl has issues with Unicode, and so throws up errors as
the one initially mentioned. Since debconf is written in Perl, this
error occurs.


There are 3 options to stop the error occurring:


o Unset all the locale variables so your account used the system
default. See the locale man page for the list of envirmental variables.

o Recompile your kernel with UTF8 as the standard locale.

o Use zsh and set $PERL_BADLANG to "0" by adding this line to
$HOME/.zshenv: "export PERL_BADLANG=0"

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SecureID cards?

[Robert L. Harris]

Is anyone using SecurID cards with Linux or preferably DebianLinux?


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nut 2.0 startup script needed]

[Rudy Gevaert]

Hi,

If anybody has a start up script for nut 2.0, could you then send it
to me?  I compiled it from source.

Thanks in advance,

Rudy Gevaert


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Re: how to do/repair a raid1 missing disk install (was: Re: lilo + raid = disaster (again))

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> sector, and I'm tired of it.  If you don't have time to make it into a
> howto, let me know and I'll do it.

Please do it :-)  I lack the time to write (and maintain) such a howto.

> At this point, I have managed to recover to the point where I'm booting
> off /dev/hda, and mounted /dev/md0 as /.  I've changed the partition
> type of /dev/hda1 to fd, and added it.  My raid array is now syncing
> nicely.

So, I believe all partitions that make part of the RAID array are now
of type 0xFD, correct?

> However, lilo -tv reports:
> Warning: using BIOS device code 0x80 for RAID boot blocks
Ignore.  This is what you want for any new BIOS, and for all SCSI BIOSes.

> Warning: /dev/hdc is not on the first disk
This is usual lilo braindamage. Ignore it. /dev/hdc will become the
first disk if /dev/hda goes kaput (and your BIOS isn't crap from 5 years
ago).

> Fatal: map file must be on the boot RAID partition
Well, /boot (or wherever your map file AND kernel happens to live) must be
in /dev/md0 for boot=/dev/md0 to work :)

Other than that, make sure you are using a new enough LILO. The one in
Debian testing should be OK.  The one in stable probably isn't, although
if that's the case, I wonder why it didn't bork on raid-extra-boot=mbr-only...

> Is this because the array hasn't finished syncing, or is something
> sinister going on?

Something sinister is going on.  You should get something like this:

Warning: /dev/sdb is not on the first disk
The Master boot record of  /dev/sdb  has been updated.
The Master boot record of  /dev/sda  has been updated.

(I use SATA with libata, and thus my disks show up as SCSI disks).

> I do have a system where I don't have the raid-extra-boot line in there,
> and it works great.  Why could this be?  Am I living on the edge with
> that box?

You only have a LILO loader in the first disk of that system, so yes,
you are living on the edge :-)

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: OT: last names

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Kent West:
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> 
> >If someone tells me I
> >have to do something, I tend to do the exact opposite, even if I would
> >originally have done it the way I've been told to.
> 
> You have to refrain from sending me a check for $100.

If you purposely get into the other line when it's moving slower than
the one you're in (in an attempt to trick Murphy's Law), that other
line will then be the slower moving line.

I think that means you owe her $100, but I could be wrong.


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Re: [OT] How big are Logitech's balls?

[Mike Dresser]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Pigeon wrote:

> Unfortunately they are all very decidedly asymmetrical and
> right-handed only.

Odd, I'm left handed, and I can't properly use a mouse in that hand.

However, the fact that anything I draw or trace with the righthand-using
mouse/trackball looks like a Kindergarten child's scribblings might be
related.

Must be training from using a mouse for nearly 15 years. :)

I'm using a Trackman Wheel at work, and an old Trackman at home that has
worn out buttons. (it either doesn't click, or it double clicks)  Someday
I'll get around to replacing it.

Mike


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Re: Gnome battery applet don't work with normal user account

[Sascha Petranka]

Am Fri, 26 Mar 2004 16:30:18 +0100 schrieb Mark Roach:

> On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 18:34 +0100, Sascha Petranka wrote:
>> ON my Notebook ASUS L8400B, I've installed Debian Sarge with Gnome 2.4
>> The Battery Applet works fine, when I'm logged in as root, but not with a
>> normal user account. Then the following Error message appears:
>> 
>> Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket!
>> 
>> Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and
>> the acpid daemon is running.
>> 
>> There is no acpid runnig (in both scenarios) and the doesn't exists
>> in both situations.
> 
> Why don't you just install acpid?
> 
> -Mark


Hi,

I've installed the acpid but, it still doesn't work.
And there IS a file named /var/run/.acpid.socket

But why does it work with root. So think installing the acpid 
is not necessary...

Sascha


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Kernel recompile woes

[stdPikachu]

Hello there, long time lurker, first time poster.

As you may have gathered, I'm having trouble getting a new kernel working 
on my (pretty bog standard) Woody install, which after much trial and 
tribulation got downgraded back to 2.4.18-bf2.4. I'd love to use one of the 
stock kernel images, but can't for several reasons:
Most don't have support for my 3ware RAID card built in
None that I've used have support for my motherboard chipset(s) - it's a 
(single K7 CPU) Tyan 2466 with an AMD 460 MPX nbridge and a 462 sbridge 
IIRC, so I'm stuck with PIO for IDE access (argh!) - trying to activate DMA 
with hdparm gives me an error
I'd like to disable loadable modules support in the interest of security; 
this isn't a prerequisite, but would be nice.

Obviously, the PIO-only is a major issue. Although the bulk of disk access 
is done via the 3ware, the system disk is a bog-standard 30GB IDE drive, 
and any access to it at all thrashes the CPU. So I took the plunge and 
started downloading kernel sources - I've compiled million and one kernels 
for Gentoo, and on the face of it the Debian method seemed much easier.

Kernel sources I've tried include Debian 2.4.18, vanilla 2.4.22 and vanilla 
2.4.25 (kernels above 2.4.20 supposedly support both my mobo and 3ware card 
better). Kernel configuration was always based on the 2.4.18-bf2.4 .config 
so that I didn't fail to turn on something vital; most modules were 
removed, the few I needed (SMBFS, 3com driver and Natsemi 83820 driver, 
ext2&3) were compiled in statically.

As I couldn't find any "official" guides for kernel compile, Google offered 
a wealth of HOWTO's, including:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949
http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html
http://members.datafast.net.au/tmccoy/kernel_compile.html
http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/debian_kernel_compile.html
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
None of these tuts give the same set of instructions, but the Newbiedoc one 
seemed the best of all, so it was that one I followed the most. So on to 
how I compiled my kernel...

Download and untar the kernel to /usr/src/linux-2.4.xx-blah, create linux 
symlink
make menuconfig, load old config file from /boot, reconfigure to my 
requirements (e.g. K7 rather than P3, blahblahblah)
Save kernel config, quit
fakeroot make-mpkg clean
fakeroot make-mpkg --append-to-version=.hostname040325 kernel_image
cd ../ && dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.xx-blahblah

If the install script moaned, I would move /lib/modules/2.4.xx out of the way
New kernel image installed at /boot
Create boot floppy? No (no floppy on this machine - must figure out a way 
of kludging the script to output to file rather than floppy, so I can make 
a bootable CD)
Install boot block using existing lilo.conf? Yes
Installation successful (Hah!)

This would usually result in either an unbootable system (where LILO 
doesn't even run), or a kernel that panic at boot (unable to mount root fs, 
which is ext3). I've also tried using the --initrd option when I build the 
package, again with no success. After yet another reinstall (sometimes I am 
unable to rescue the system as even the rescue mode on the Debian CD 
doesn't let me boot properly either), I read (again) the man pages for 
kernel packaging, and it told me that vanilla kernels used a different 
version of cramfs for initrd to the stock Debian sources, which led me to 
believe that if I tried the whole thing again with Deb sources (or patched 
vanilla) it would all work fine; alas no.

The only thing I could think of that could have resulted in these problems 
is that my version of modutils is slightly behind the minimal requirements 
for the vanilla kernels, but since I wasn't compiling any modules, I didn't 
think it'd be much bother. Sorry I've not documented this thing properly, 
but it's just going to be a file server and as such I didn't see the point 
in installing X, web browsers et al on it, esp as plugging this thing into 
a monitor is a serious PITA. On a "maybe this is what's wrong...?" note, 
there was an unanswered post on google groups with a guy with similar probs 
to mine, in that he had unbootable kernels in combination with his boot 
drive light on permanently, which he though might be a DMA problem (ie he'd 
enabled DMA, and thought that the drive might be failing mount as DMA, 
hence the unreadable root fs - anyone else had experiences like this?).

If anyone has any idea what I'm doing wrong, any help would be much 
appreciated! I'd really love to figure out how the hell to get this whole 
thing working, and ad yet another "Here's the One True Way to compile a 
Debian kernel!" page to the fray... failing that, is there anything 
stopping me from installing a kernel the "Gentoo way"?

Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this murky matter!

Tait

P.S. if anyone has any 733t-haXx0r3d kernel debs for my exact hardware, I 
will pay you in mortal souls to get one ;^)

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Re: False positive chkrootkit report for rpc.statd process as 'bindshell' exploit

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Karsten M. Self:
> Going through system mail, I found several chkrootkit runs showing a
> possible bindshell exploit:
> 
> Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  600)   
>  
> On checking with 'chkrootkit -x bindshell', turns out that I had a
> process open on port 600 UDP:
> 
>  udp0  0 0.0.0.0:600 0.0.0.0:*
> 
> That's output of 'netstat -na'.  Running (thanks, bodq on #debian IRC)
> 'netstat -nupl', I see this is rpc.statd, which runs as part of my NFS
> client configuration.  This process requests an arbitrary port from the
> portmapper at startup, and isn't assigned a consistent port on multiple
> invocations.
> 
> Restarting the nfs-common services (/etc/init.d/nfs-common restart)
> reassigned the port and cleared the ckrootkit report.
> 
> Seems chkrootkit might want to check against known good services running
> on arbitrary ports.

Perhaps I'm missing your point, but I've got something like that
happening here and chkrootkit's never complained about it:

  ---
(0) root /root_ netstat -nupl
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
PID/Program name   
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:53  0.0.0.0:*   374/   
 
(0) root /root_ ps -ef | grep 374
nobody 374 1  0 Mar19 ?00:00:00 [maradns]
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I've no idea why it would be complaining about yours, except for the
"arbitrary port" bit.  Have you reported this to chkrootkit?


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Re: apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[Pete RedHair]

> Hi,
> 
> i'm running a linux box with debeian stable.
> 
> Because of some needed features i've upgrade my
> postfix and spamassasin packages to testing and
along
> with it apt upgraded a lot of other packages.

>You mean you upgraded your system from woody to
sarge.


> 
> Everything i tested is working ok except for
> mailgraph.
> 
> In /var/log/apache/error.log i get the following
> messages:
> 
> [Fri Mar 26 13:26:12 2004] [error] [client
> 192.168.10.29] Premature end of script headers: 
> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi libpng warning:
Application was 
> compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.12
> libpng warning: Application  is  running with png.c
> from libpng-1.2.5
> libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in
> application and library
> 
> and now i don't get may mail statistics graphs from
mailgraph.
> 
> I've tried to install libpng10-0 but it didn't solve
> the problem and since i'm a newbie i don't know what
> to do.
> 
> Can someone help me to solve this problem ?
> I really need the graphs to put them in a
> presentation.
> 

>In the upgrade did you use "script ... exit" so you
>kept a record of 
>what all was upgraded?
>Was mailgraph upgraded also?
>Are there bugs against mailgraph in the buglist?
>So what happens if you apt-get remove mailgraph and
>install it again?

>Hugo.

I didn't kept a record of what was upgraded
(overconfidance) so i really don't know if mailgraph
was upgraded.

I did remove and installed again the mailgraph package
(from testing) and got the same result.

Couldn't find bugs against the mailgraph package that
would relate to this problem but i there is bug#
231215 which says that changing the images to gif
instead of png solved a zero size image file problem.

I guess i'll try that.

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Re: chkrootkit finds

[Paul Johnson]

David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Checking `lkm'... You have 1 process hidden for readdir command
> You have 1 process hidden for ps command
> Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
>
> Is this a true report?
> What does this do?
> How to get rid of it if true?

STFW, it's already been answered many times over.

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Re: apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[Pete RedHair]

--- Robert Harris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete RedHair wrote:
> 
> > I was hopping that there was a way of fixing this
> and
> > when i have the necessary resources (time, another
> hd,
> > ...) i would do this upgrade.
> > 
> > I think that testing is now "stable" enough to be
> used
> > on a internal server, do you agree ?
> > 
> > 
> > =
> > ---
> > Thanks
> > Pete
> 
> Probably. You pay your money and take your choice.
> If you need 100% 
> reliability, then you never upgrade or, at least,
> have a standby server. 
> If you don't, you could try upgrading a spare
> machine with the same 
> configuration as your server from woody to sarge. Or
> you could hope for 
> the best and just do it.
> 
> If you just do it, it is a "weekend" job - have
> plenty of time in hand 
> for unanticipated problems. The most likely problems
> you might encounter 
> are that:
> 
> 1. You will have to reconfigure your mail server
> 2. You will have to reconfigure your print server
> 3. You will have to reconfigure some network
> settings, e.g. DHCP, DNS
> 
> But if you are going to do it sooner or later, now
> is not a bad time to 
> choose.
> 
> Regards and Good luck!
> 
> Robert

I guess i'll leave it for the weekend, do it after a
full file systemn dump and save on some other server.

It's best to do it ASAP eor i guess i'll always be
thriving with these problems.

Thanks

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apt-get segmentation fault

[abhijit Brahme]

When I run the apt-get tool or for that matter of fact apt-* I get 
segmentation fault. Is there any way to repaire this.

thanks

abhijit

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Re: Inline PGP signatures

[Paul Johnson]

Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> As far as I know evolution does not support the old (and very common)
> inline PGP/GPG signatures. Instead it only supports attatched GPG/PGP
> signatures (PGP/MIME). 

Inline PGP is fading from popularity, broken clients be damned.

> The problem is that many other MUAs only support inline signatures,
> but not PGP/MIME, and some need additional software to support
> PGP/MIME (like aegypten for kmail). Check ix 03/2004 for an overview
> on PGP support in common MUAs.

And some clients are so broken that they don't even show MIME messages
correctly (OE...)

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Re: chkrootkit: many hidden processes

[Paul Johnson]

Kristian Niemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Are there bugs in the mentioned software? 

Yes.  If you bothered to check reportbug or search the fscking web
before asking, you would already know this.

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Re: usb broadband modem

[Paul Johnson]

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jack kinnon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I want to upgrade to sid, via network installation. To deal with the
> download, I have upgraded to broadband service. The USB modem, which
> comes free with the subscription, is Prolink Hurricane 8000. Just
> found out from Prolink website this modem does not work with
> Linux. Hopefully the Linux community have developed a driver for it?
>
>  
>
> Any pointer?

Get a real (as in, ethernet based) DSL bridge (calling them modems is
pretty marketroidial).

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Which files contain monospace and sans font?

[Jaap A. Haitsma]

Hi,

I'm trying to find out which files contain the monospace and sans font.
If in nautilus I show all the fonts by going to fonts:/// these two fonts
are not listed, but if I go and select for example fonts in the desktop
preferences they are there.

The reason I'm asking is that I like the monospace and sans font that are
being used in fedora more then the standard ones. So I want to copy them
from fedora to Debian

Thanks

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Re: howto get connected to internet?

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Paul Johnson_, on 03/25/04 23:52,typed:
Ajith R Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I am new to knoppix and I am just wondering how do I get connected with
knoppix.


If you can read this, you're connected.

Not if the OP is using another computer to get help from here.

->HS

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Re: OT: last names (was: Re: debian and women? from DWN #10)

[CW Harris]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 11:34:56PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-03-26, s. keeling penned:
> > Incoming from Monique Y. Herman:
> >> 

> > Marriage shouldn't have to mean becoming someone else's property!
> 
> Indeed, and it doesn't.  There's a huge difference between choosing to
> do something because you know it would mean a lot to your s.o., and
> being forced/railroaded into doing something.  If someone tells me I
> have to do something, I tend to do the exact opposite, even if I would
> originally have done it the way I've been told to.
> 
> But just because I've chosen a particular route doesn't mean I'm yet
> fully comfortable with it.  That will take a while.

Maybe a compromise would be to take on your s.o.'s last name, as you say
you probably will, and in recognition of that your s.o. recognizes you
as the c.s.o. =P


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Re: Kernel recompile woes

[Andy Firman]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 04:35:16PM +, stdPikachu wrote:
> Hello there, long time lurker, first time poster.
> 
> As you may have gathered, I'm having trouble getting a new kernel working 
> on my (pretty bog standard) Woody install, which after much trial and 
> tribulation got downgraded back to 2.4.18-bf2.4. I'd love to use one of the 
> stock kernel images, but can't for several reasons:
> Most don't have support for my 3ware RAID card built in
> None that I've used have support for my motherboard chipset(s) - it's a 
> (single K7 CPU) Tyan 2466 with an AMD 460 MPX nbridge and a 462 sbridge 
> IIRC, so I'm stuck with PIO for IDE access (argh!) - trying to activate DMA 
> with hdparm gives me an error
> I'd like to disable loadable modules support in the interest of security; 
> this isn't a prerequisite, but would be nice.
> 
> Obviously, the PIO-only is a major issue. Although the bulk of disk access 
> is done via the 3ware, the system disk is a bog-standard 30GB IDE drive, 
> and any access to it at all thrashes the CPU. So I took the plunge and 
> started downloading kernel sources - I've compiled million and one kernels 
> for Gentoo, and on the face of it the Debian method seemed much easier.
> 
> Kernel sources I've tried include Debian 2.4.18, vanilla 2.4.22 and vanilla 
> 2.4.25 (kernels above 2.4.20 supposedly support both my mobo and 3ware card 
> better). Kernel configuration was always based on the 2.4.18-bf2.4 .config 
> so that I didn't fail to turn on something vital; most modules were 
> removed, the few I needed (SMBFS, 3com driver and Natsemi 83820 driver, 
> ext2&3) were compiled in statically.

It sounds like you know what you are doing since you have done kernels with
Gentoo.  Why don't you try the 2.4.25 from kernel.org, 
take exact notes, and post back here again.

Recently, I have been installing Debian on brand new Dell Poweredge 400SC's
with the gigabit ethernet which requires the e1000 module so I went
straight to 2.4.25 and did not use the Debian kernel-package system.

Something you might try is "make oldconfig" as I have been burned in the
past by not doing this.  By doing make oldconfig, you are made aware of
anything new in 2.4.25.  I bet you find something that you are missing.

The command I then use is:
make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && make 
install

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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:46:09 -0700
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe because not everyone agrees it has nothing to do with debian, at
> least no more so than exim and postgres and NFS questions have nothing
> to do with debian?
If I'm not mistaken, this list is supposed to be a technical list discussing issues 
specific to the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution.  
Your post has already made posts (in total ) around 50 which are completely useless 
for the motto of the list. The > 50 msgs archive will never be helpful in the future.
Initiating such offtopic useless discussions on a technical list is one of the 
difference between men and women. Might be.


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Re: apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[Katipo]

Pete RedHair wrote:

--- Robert Harris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Pete RedHair wrote:
   


 

I suggest you change your /etc/apt/sources.list so
that it references 
just testing (or sarge) instead of woody or stable
and then do a:
   

apt-get update
apt-get -u dist-upgrade


Running with a mixture of woody and sarge is always
going to lead to 
problems.

Robert
   

Thanks for the advice Robert.

Although i was thinking about it i don't want to do it
now because the server is in production and i don't
have a way of restoring everything very quickly if
something goes wrong or broken.
 

Everything will be fine if you just make sure to get your sources list 
right.

I was hopping that there was a way of fixing this and
when i have the necessary resources (time, another hd,
...) i would do this upgrade.
 

Roberts' advice is the best way to fix it. It takes a lot of 
coordination and planning to keep a mixed system together, and for a 
server, it simply isn't worth it.
Make it either stable or testing otherwise you are always going to be 
coming up with these inconsistencies with all your applications.

I think that testing is now "stable" enough to be used
on a internal server, do you agree ?
 

Yes.
Regards,
David.

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Re: apt-get install from testing got me into trouble with perl and libpng

[Pete RedHair]

--- Pete RedHair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > i'm running a linux box with debeian stable.
> > 
> > Because of some needed features i've upgrade my
> > postfix and spamassasin packages to testing and
> along
> > with it apt upgraded a lot of other packages.
> 
> >You mean you upgraded your system from woody to
> sarge.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Everything i tested is working ok except for
> > mailgraph.
> > 
> > In /var/log/apache/error.log i get the following
> > messages:
> > 
> > [Fri Mar 26 13:26:12 2004] [error] [client
> > 192.168.10.29] Premature end of script headers: 
> > /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailgraph.cgi libpng warning:
> Application was 
> > compiled with png.h from libpng-1.0.12
> > libpng warning: Application  is  running with
> png.c
> > from libpng-1.2.5
> > libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in
> > application and library
> > 
> > and now i don't get may mail statistics graphs
> from
> mailgraph.
> > 
> > I've tried to install libpng10-0 but it didn't
> solve
> > the problem and since i'm a newbie i don't know
> what
> > to do.
> > 
> > Can someone help me to solve this problem ?
> > I really need the graphs to put them in a
> > presentation.
> > 
> 
> >In the upgrade did you use "script ... exit" so you
> >kept a record of 
> >what all was upgraded?
> >Was mailgraph upgraded also?
> >Are there bugs against mailgraph in the buglist?
> >So what happens if you apt-get remove mailgraph and
> >install it again?
> 
> >Hugo.
> 
> I didn't kept a record of what was upgraded
> (overconfidance) so i really don't know if mailgraph
> was upgraded.
> 
> I did remove and installed again the mailgraph
> package
> (from testing) and got the same result.
> 
> Couldn't find bugs against the mailgraph package
> that
> would relate to this problem but i there is bug#
> 231215 which says that changing the images to gif
> instead of png solved a zero size image file
> problem.
> 
> I guess i'll try that.
> 
> =
> ---
> Thanks
> Pete

Changing the generated image from png to gif solved
the problem.

It doen't depend on libpng so it worked.

Nevertheless i'll dist-upgrade, surely other problems
may arise.

Thanks

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Re: Which files contain monospace and sans font?

[Hamilton Coutinho]

On 03/26/2004 01:59 PM, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote:
I'm trying to find out which files contain the monospace and sans font.
If in nautilus I show all the fonts by going to fonts:/// these two fonts
are not listed, but if I go and select for example fonts in the desktop
preferences they are there.
The reason I'm asking is that I like the monospace and sans font that are
being used in fedora more then the standard ones. So I want to copy them
from fedora to Debian
These are aliases to bitstream vera fonts in my system (package 
ttf-bitstream-vera).

HTH.

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Re: Via Epia 5000 Video RAM

[Ruben Lopez]

Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to install XFree86 and it's asking about video ram.
> 
> I don't know how much ram to specify.  The online docs I can find say it
> uses system RAM.

Not sure if this is what you mean, but...

Alot of video cards display a quick graphic as the computer starts - it's
usually the first graphic that you see. In most of these I have seen the
graphic displays the amount of RAM the the video card has. And it also
should be displayed in the BIOS.


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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Steve Lamb]

Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, this list is supposed to be a technical list
discussing issues specific to the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution. 
You're mistaken.

debian-user mailing list
Help and discussion among users of Debian
Help *and discussion* among users of Debian.

The > 50 msgs archive will never be helpful in
the future. Initiating such offtopic useless discussions on a technical
list is one of the difference between men and women. Might be.
Nope, just look at the many male-heavy political discussions that pop up 
about once a week.

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RE: multiple inputs... one computer... math teacher

[Wilson Morris]

Hello,
   I am a fairly new math teacher, with some programming, computer background. One of 
the keys to teaching is CFU which means checking for understanding, which is supposed 
to be done constantly during the course of a lecture.  Traditionally, teachers give a 
quiz, or class-work (time consuming) at the end of the class, or homework, check it at 
night, then by the next day, they know if the class got the concept / or teaching.
 I envision having 32 to 36 wireless keyboards (only) on students desks, attached to 
one computer, with input going into an Access or Excel file where answers could be 
quickly tabulated, to immediately check for % of correct responses, so I as a teacher 
could either go on to the next point, or stop, and revisit material that was not 
grasped.
My question is, where would you suggest I start looking for such a way to make this a 
reality??
   
  Wondering in Oxnard, Cal
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Re: debian and women? from DWN #10

[Chris Metzler]

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:59:11 +0530
Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If I'm not mistaken, this list is supposed to be a technical list
> discussing issues specific to the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution.

>From http://lists.debian.org/users.html :

} debian-user: Help and discussion among users of Debian

Do gender issues among posters to technical lists apply?  IMHO, since they
affect the comfort level of people posting here, they apply just fine.
They apply more than e.g. posts about the SCO suits, or MS being fined
by the EU, or a zillion other topics that get discussed here.

But that's my opinion.  And your opinion is that this thread doesn't
belong here.  And you believe that strongly And that's fine.  You were
doing just fine until you wrote. . .

> Initiating such offtopic useless discussions on a
> technical list is one of the difference between men and women. Might be.

Of course, it's wonderfully ironic you ended your email this way, since
it's an example of exactly the kind of immaturity that brought this issue
to the attention of people here in the first place.

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Re: nut 2.0 startup script needed]

[CW Harris]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 04:37:18PM +0100, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If anybody has a start up script for nut 2.0, could you then send it
> to me?  I compiled it from source.

I don't have one, but I think there is a debian package of (possibly
earlier version) of it.  Why not download the package and extract the
script from there?

> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Rudy Gevaert

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Installation of Sarge on IBMs with i845 video chipset?

[Robert Maynord]

I work at a school where we have multiple IBM 8310 desktop computers for 
student and teacher use.  I have been attempting to install Sarge (using 
the network install), but have had difficulty with the i845 video 
chipset.  I understand that there are some modules to load, and perhaps 
issues regarding the kernal and the version of xfree86.
Does anyone know where I might find step-by-step instructions for this 
process? Will Sid load the i845 stuff automatically? Can I get what I 
need by using apt-get, or do I need to download files from Intel? I know 
that Knoppix works on these machines without any configuration problems, 
but I want to run "pure" Debian on all machines.

Your help is much appreciated

Robert Maynord

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Installation of Sarge on IBMs with i845 video chipset?

[Robert Maynord]

I work at a school where we have multiple IBM 8310 desktop computers for 
student and teacher use.  I have been attempting to install Sarge (using 
the network install), but have had difficulty with the i845 video 
chipset.  I understand that there are some modules to load, and perhaps 
issues regarding the kernal and the version of xfree86. 

Does anyone know where I might find step-by-step instructions for this 
process? Will Sid load the i845 stuff automatically? Can I get what I 
need by using apt-get, or do I need to download files from Intel? I know 
that Knoppix works on these machines without any configuration problems, 
but I want to run "pure" Debian on all machines.

Your help is much appreciated

Robert Maynord



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