apt-file error

[Arash Bijanzadeh]

tryingto search with apt-file gives me this error message:
Can't locate object method "host" via package "URI::_foreign" at /usr/bin/
apt-file line 225

How can I solve it?

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Re: is symlink "linu" necessary while compiling new kernel?

[H. S.]

Travis Crump wrote:

As I wrote above, some instructions suggest deleting it and recreating 
it to my new kernel directory. So if I do not have it, I was wondering 
if I should create it (of course I cannot "re"create it).

In any case, I was also expecting someone who says I *should* have 
that link to also be able to give a reason why.

regards,
->HS

To compile the kernel itself, it is unnecessary, but some third-party 
modules expect the source to be in /usr/src/linux in order to compile
.


Ah! I didn't know that. So in this case, I guess I should make that link 
whenever I compile a kernel. I just compiled it again and figured out 
what were the problems. I will list what I did to solve them in a 
separate message.

Thanks for you input,
I appreciate it.
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Re: Playing "RealOne" clips

[Bill Moseley]

(sorry about the busted thread)

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:36:27PM -0600, Todd Pytel wrote:

> > > > Is it possible to get mplayer to play any of these?
> > > > 
> > > >   http://www.prairiehome.org/performances/20031129/
> > > 
> > > Don't know about mplayer - I never had much luck with that plugin -
> > > but both realplayer and gxine stream the audio just fine from
> > > moz-firebird for me.

Ok, I've installed mozilla-firebird and gxine from Sid and they play.
Yet all the links play the same stream.  I'm not sure if that's a 
problem on my end or on their server.

I can't skip ahead or back in the stream, either.  IIRC, I used to be 
able to do that on Windows with RealPlayer.  (Again, maybe that's an 
issue with the server.)

BTW -- is there a way to download "rtsp://" type of files and then play 
them locally?


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Re: Compiling 2.6: Cannot stat "conf.vars"

[Markku Kellberg]

lör 2003-12-06 klockan 23.47 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> On Saturday 06 December 2003 23:10, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> > lör 2003-12-06 klockan 18.25 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > >   [..] (copied by hand)
> > > install -p -o root -g root -m 644 conf.vars
> > > debian/tmp-image/usr/share/doc/ kernel-image-2.6.0-test9/conf.vars
> > > install: cannot stat "conf.vars": No such file or directory
> > >   [..]
> > I get the same error compiling 2.4.22. I upgraded my unstable today.
> 
> And was it working before?
> 
> Cheers,
> Mariano
> 

This is my first attempt to build the kernel from source. But i used the
old config from my 2.4.21-4-k7. I followed the steps in "Creating custom
kernels with Debian's kernel-package system". 

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[Solved] Re: installed new kernel, but lost internal network

[H. S.]

H. S. wrote:
Hi,

I am doing masquarading using my Debian machine running Sarge. Earlier I 
was running the default kernel that comes with Woody (2.4.18-bf14 or 
something). Today I upgraded to the new kernel:
/var/log# apt-get -u install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 kernel-doc-2.4.22 
kernel-headers-2.4.22-1 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.22-1-686 pcmcia-cs 
hotplug usbutils fxload hotplug-utils

And after this, I lost one of the NICs. I have two NICs, one is 
192.168.0.1 connected to the ADSL moden, and the other is 192.168.0.2 
connected to the internal LAN.  So when I booted into the new kernel, 
the second NIC RLT8139 was not detected. But when I did pppoeconf, it 
listed only 1 NIC and asked if I had more which were not detected. I 
said Yes, and it hen allowed me to install the module for the RLT NIC. 
And after that it reported 2 NICs fine.

So after configuring ppp0, I could browse the net, but my internal LAN 
machine can't. I can't even ping that machine. I am running the same 




Okay, I know what I was doing wrong, or what was going wrong without my 
actually doing it :)

I extracted the bz2 kernel source archive in /usr/src and to prepare for 
a compilation, I copied my config-2.4.18-bf2.4 from /boot to kernel 
source directory (in my case it was kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1/). I 
assumed this would give me the same configuration as I had in my 
previous kernel. It was not so. I had to manually enable ip_forwarding, 
nat filtering, and all the related features in the menuconfig interface. 
These features were enabled in my older kernel, so I would guess 
something has changed between the kernel versions and just copying the 
old config file is not enough, it has to be hand edited to make sure all 
the options are set correctly as desired --  cannot avoid spending that 
half an hour going through that ncurses gui afterall :(

I did that (since everything else was working, I figured it *had* to be 
the kernel) and my network is working perfectly.

I wonder why nobody could suggest this. Nobody has encountered this 
before? Or nobody does masquarading with Debain (extremely unlikely I 
would guess, but possible)? :)

Anyway, I hope this report helps someone else facing this problem,
->HS


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if your mouse does not work in 2.4.22, here is one option worth trying

[H. S.]

Hi,

When I compiled my 2.4.22 kernel with the  new nvidia driver, I had lost 
my mouse in X. The problem was that upon bootup, the error was something 
like "can't locate module mousedev" or something like. I did a "find" in 
/lib/modules and realized that this directory did not exist in my newer 
kernel directory tree: "kernel/drivers/input", but it existed in others:
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1# find /lib/modules/ -name "input"
/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/input
/lib/modules/2.4.22-1-686/kernel/drivers/input
/lib/modules/2.4.22-nvidia/kernel/drivers/input

This I realized only after hours of searching google why a usb mouse 
wouldn't work in 2.4.22. I tried a host of things, but no solution. Only 
a little while ago it occurred to me that the boot process is looking 
for a module mousedev, which doesn't seem to exist. But the little red 
light on the mouse blinked during the boot process and a usb mouse *was* 
being found. And it struck me, I had compiled the input devices support 
(keyboard, mouse, etc) *into* the kernel and not as modules. And usb 
support, at least parts of it, were compiled as modules.  I recompiled 
the kernel with the input devices as modules and sure enough got the 
/kernel/drivers/input directory. Rebooted and tastes sweet taste of 
success when the cute cursor obeyed my commands passed through the sleek 
mouse :)

So, as per my understanding, compile the input devices support as 
modules if your bootup process complains that it couldn't find mousedev.

HTH others too, because while googling I found quite a few messages with 
similar symptoms but with no solutions that seemed to solve the reported 
problem.
regards,
->HS

Keywords:
mousedev input 2.4.22 kernel menuconfig input driver kernel boot can't 
cannot find module linux make-kpkg nvidia 4496
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installed nvidia driver, but permission denied while trying tuxracer

[H. S.]

Installed Nvidia->had problem running tuxrace->solved
the problem. Here's how:


Alright, I admit, I wanted the new nvidia driver only
because I wanted to play tuxracer and chromium :)
(BTW, I followed these steps to install the nvidia
driver:
http://www.leonscape.co.uk/linux/how2-nvg4.html )

Okay, if you look at my earlier posts today, you will
see a sequence of events that finally took me to a
successful kernel upgrade and nvidia driver
installation. But now, when I first started tuxracer,
I got:
$> tuxracer
Tux Racer 0.61 -- a Sunspire Studios Production
(http://www.sunspirestudios.com)
(c) 1999-2000 Jasmin F. Patry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Tux Racer" is a trademark of Jasmin F. Patry
Tux Racer comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is
free software,
and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain
conditions.
See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for details.

NV: could not open control device /dev/nvidiactl
(Permission denied)
Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the
permissions
are too resticitive.  Please see the FREQUENTLY ASKED
QUESTIONS
section of /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README for
steps
to correct.


here is what I had in /dev:
/dev# ls -l nvidia*
crw-rw1 root video195,   0 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia0
crw-rw1 root video195,   1 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia1
crw-rw1 root video195,   2 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia2
crw-rw1 root video195,   3 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia3
crw-rw1 root video195, 255 Dec  6
03:28 nvidiactl


So I made myself a member of video group(thanks to
google groups). But I still got a similar error. So, I
took a deep breadth, and did(thanks to google groups
again):
/dev# chmod o+rw nvidia*

to get:
/dev# ls -l nvidia*
crw-rw-rw-1 root video195,   0 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia0
crw-rw-rw-1 root video195,   1 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia1
crw-rw-rw-1 root video195,   2 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia2
crw-rw-rw-1 root video195,   3 Dec  6
03:28 nvidia3
crw-rw-rw-1 root video195, 255 Dec  6
03:28 nvidiactl


and now tuxracer is working fine. But my questions is,
is this the proper way to do it?

regards,
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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 05:57 GMT, Paul E Condon penned:
> 
> As the most recent user of this phrase on this list, let me join this
> discussion:
> 
> The sense in which I meant 'know history' was to know what has
> happened in prior times when a certain course of action or a certain
> line of reasoning was used. For humans, instincts are stuff like the
> ability to acquire and use language, the ability to engage in thought
> about what others are thinking, etc. Clarke's postulates seeem to me
> foolish, but amusing. We don't have adequate definitions of what we
> mean by altruism in humans. Our lives are rather complex, and what
> might seem altruistic at first sight can be, on more deep examination,
> 'enlightened self-interest', and visa-versa. 
> 

Who are you, Kant? =P

I haven't actually read the book, so I can't really chime in on what
Clarke did or didn't accomplish or intend to accomplish.  

[snip]

> 
> For me, the consistency with which mistakes are repeated, is a proof
> of the ignorance of history on the part of the players, not a disproof
> of the addage. 

I tend to agree here, except that it's not that simple, because the
factors are never *exactly* the same, and some people are better than
others at discerning similar patterns.  In fact, I'd tend to believe
that most folks are pretty bad at it.  Then again, that's probably just
self-aggrandizing fluff, since I consider myself to be pretty good at
it.

... Anyway, point is, it's not as simple as recognizing identical
situations.  It's seeing similar situations, recognizing the pattern,
and being able to extrapolate from there.

> It is hard to determine just exactly what is the special thing that
> makes homo sapiens different from other great apes. Some say there is
> no essential difference, others say that we were create different by
> God. I think we have a special ability to see ourselves from
> 'outside', and to think about how others see us. But others claim that
> this is an illusion. But if one chooses to live within the illusion,
> knowing history is surely better than not knowing it.  And if one
> pretends to reject the illusion, ... whatever ... 

Heh.

Every time scientists have held forth some notion that "humans are
unique because," later scientists have found a variety of "animals" that
do the same thing.  I'm not saying that there might not be some unique
point, but the fact is, without being able to sit down to a pint of
guinness with representatives of other species, it's kind of hard to
really know what, if anything, is going on in their heads.

Just today, I was reading Discover Magazine, and this scientist was
stating as "fact" that animals simply don't feel pain the way humans do.
Maybe that's what he has to tell himself to get through the day, but
last I heard, that was far from accepted Truth, and it's certainly a
concept that I have trouble swallowing, having seen my cats and dogs
seemingly in pain, seemingly panicked, seemingly joyful, seemingly
playful, seemingly sad ... maybe there are other explanations, but they
ring hollow to my ears.


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Re: is symlink "linu" necessary while compiling new kernel?

[Markku Kellberg]

sön 2003-12-07 klockan 00.11 skrev H. S.:
> Hi,
> 
> While doing a google search to read pages on who to compile a new Linux 
> kernel the Debian way, I see some of them mentioning that I should first 
> delete a symlink "linux" in /usr/src if it exists before I untar and 
> unzip a download kernel file, and then recreate it. Some pages do not 
> suggest this. Is this a step crucial?
.
.
.
> Thanks,
> ->HS
> 
> 

This is a good document to read when building your first Debian kernel:

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en


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mousepad kernel 2.6.0-test9

[panda]

Hi,

I installed the 2.6.0-test9-1-i386 kernel on my laptop
HP ZE 5170 
Pentium 4 
512 MB ram
15 inch screen
ATI Radeon mobility graphics card 32 MB
Trident sound card

The problem is that the mousepad stops working along with the sound
card.

I cheched lsmod. It shows mousedev but it is not used.
I tried rmmod mousedev and then insmod mousedev but no effect.

kudzu doesn't detect any new hardware either.

I have a working 2.4.18-bf24 kernel which didn't need to be prodded for
the mouse configuration.

Can I do anything other than compiling the kernel. Should I be trying
something else?
Thanks a lot for all ur help.

Panda



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Re: LILO

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:14:19PM +0100, Hans Olav Eggestad wrote:
> I tried to install debian (v3.0) on my laptop, but LILO did not work. 
> Are there any alternatives? (like GRUB (which do work on my laptop
> (RedHat)))
> 
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Hi Hans,
on random ocassions, Lilo doesn't 'take'. I've had to re-do it 2 or more
times. You can do a 'chroot lilo' or use the 'rescue.bin' disk. with the
resucue, boot with:
'linux root=/dev/hda?' where ? is the partition. then run:
lilo -v
(the -v shows you what it did)
reboot

or if you have a knoppix disk, boot with 'knoppix 2'.
go to the root console.
'mount /dev/hda? /mnt' where ? is the partition. then run:
chroot /mnt
then run:
lilo -v
exit
umount /mnt
reboot

One of these SHOULD work.
HTH
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Re: Howto build source using "dpkg-builpackage"

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On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 05:00:27AM +0100, Alexander Fitterling wrote:
> I fetched source packages and got sure depencies are correct using apt 
> build-deb  [name]; apt source [name]; 
> 
> Secondly, what would be the apropriate step if considering building and 
> install the binary?

You're trying to go the long way here.

apt-get -b build-dep 
apt-get -b source 

Go get some coffee.  By the time you get back, you'll have finished
packages or be well on the way to them.

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Re: apple - Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:10:36PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, csj wrote:
> 
> > Well, we used to own an Apple II that was made in Taiwan and
> > didn't have the Apple logo.  Does that qualify as open enough?
> > If it weren't for the Apple II clones eating into Apple's
> > bottomline, Steve Jobs wouldn't have bothered inventing the Mac.
> 
> apple doesnt allow clones to run their sw ... in those days
>   - pineapple, banana, and few other clones
> 

I fondly recall my friends 'pine'apple. wrote my first game of 'green
screen' golf with apple basic!!!
-Kev


> - today .. it's still closed ... except that today, they are
>   the worlds largest distributor of opensource-based sw
>   ( freebsd/darwin )
> 
> - jobs did a good job of turning apple around from the pepsi daze
> 
> c ya
> alvin
> 
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Re: keep old files

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:52:35PM +0530, Joydeep Bakshi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi list,
> I am a newbie debian user (switched from RH).
> I have faced a strange prob. in woody. whenever I modified any file the 
> previous contents is backedup with a *~* sign and the modified one is saved 
> with the actual name. like *test.kwd* will be *test.kwd* after modification, 
> but there will be an extra *test.kwd~* also.
> 
> plz suggest me how to stop the generation of this second back-up file.

That's an emacs / xemacs config.

As I don't use either, you'll have to have someone else tell you the
setting.


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Re: is symlink "linu" necessary while compiling new kernel?

[H. S.]

Markku Kellberg wrote:
sön 2003-12-07 klockan 00.11 skrev H. S.:

Hi,

While doing a google search to read pages on who to compile a new Linux 
kernel the Debian way, I see some of them mentioning that I should first 
delete a symlink "linux" in /usr/src if it exists before I untar and 
unzip a download kernel file, and then recreate it. Some pages do not 
suggest this. Is this a step crucial?
This is a good document to read when building your first Debian kernel:

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en

/Markku Kellberg

Thanks. I did read it. But I couldn't find where it says why I *should* 
have that link. I do see why I shouldn't leave it there though. If it 
does mention ... well, maybe it was late, I was tired with compiling the 
kernel multiple times or a mixture of all the fact and I missed tha info :)

But as the other poster has suggested, some third party programs may 
need that link.

regards,
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Re: mousepad kernel 2.6.0-test9

[H. S.]

panda wrote:
Hi,

I installed the 2.6.0-test9-1-i386 kernel on my laptop
HP ZE 5170 
Pentium 4 
512 MB ram
15 inch screen
ATI Radeon mobility graphics card 32 MB
Trident sound card

The problem is that the mousepad stops working along with the sound
card.
I cheched lsmod. It shows mousedev but it is not used.
I tried rmmod mousedev and then insmod mousedev but no effect.
kudzu doesn't detect any new hardware either.

I have a working 2.4.18-bf24 kernel which didn't need to be prodded for
the mouse configuration.
Can I do anything other than compiling the kernel. Should I be trying
something else?
How about trying what I have described in my earlier post just under an 
hour ago with the subject:
if your mouse does not work in 2.4.22, here is one option worth trying

It just might work :)

HTH,
->HS
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Re: Using aide for detection

[Alvin Oga]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, ScruLoose wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:36:07AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> 
> > 1) For a machine that doesn't have a cdrom and/or is physically 
> > available to me, is there any other trick to make sure the database is 
> > secure?  The machine I'm thinking about doesn't have nfs mounts 
> > available to it, either.
> 
> Entirely secure? I don't think so.
> Unless you can make the database fit on a floppy, then flip the
> read-only tab on the floppy.

some sw and drives ignores the "read only tab" ...
- dont use "off the shelf" stuff ... and your can still write
the floppy

> > 2) From initial setup of aide, I'm getting daily reports about changes in 
> > log files.  Is there any reason to monitory the log files with aide 
> > since they are suppose to change?
> 
> I see no reason to have them monitored ... Of course that could just be
> my ignorance.

if you're looking in your logs for signs of a cracker or rootkit ..
- a good rootkit will erase itself .. no signs ..
and still leave a back door for itself
 
> > 3) What if an attacker that broke into the machine simply disables the
> > cron job for aide?  How would that be detected?  
>
> When you don't get the daily report, start worrying.

one the cracker gets in .. why tell the user, "hey buddy, i'm in your box"
( i would leave things alone till its ready to be used and rm -rf'd

use MachineA to check machineB and MachineC.. and vice versa
- its less likely they would break into both/all boxes
that is NOT on the same subnet

and when it does do the checking... update your "i visited here
at this time" log entries

- lots of other ways to do system sanity checks too ...
even w/o cron  on the cracked box

-- you really realy do NOT want to get daily/hourly status emails..
--
-- you do really want to kow if its dead or hacked
--
-- you do want to poke it, and see if it flaggs the simulated
-- intruder  ( so you know cron and the ids is working )
--  do that as often as time is floating around --
--

> > Or, could a root kit manage to still report to aide that all files were
> > un-modified?

youp ...and for those crackers... forget it ... if they can modify
the binaries to give the same md5sum as the originals ... 
- go find a security professional of the equivalent calibur to
figure out why they are playing with your boxes instead of the
bank and police and otehr fun targets

- if its a script kiddie using the "perfect rootkit",
than you'd still need the security pro to find out where it
came from and who it was

- most all rootkits leave lots of little hints all over the place
  and better ones makes it harder to find those "signs"

>   Not to be too gloomy, but it seems like once someone gets
> > root that the machine is hosed, and worse, with a good root kit it could
> > be impossible to detect.
> 
> If you want that level of paranoia, put the aide binary on a CD, along
> with the checksum database.  Make sure the binary is statically
> compiled, (or put all libs it links to on the CD too) so there's no way
> to sneak anything in through linked libraries. Even root can't tamper
> with physically read-only media.

there's always a way to sneak things thru little holes here and there

- you're assuming you have "perfectly configured/defined read only media"
  which is not always the case ..

c ya
alvin


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could not eject CDROM as a normal user: [solved]

[H. S.]

Earlier, I couldn't eject my CDROM as a normal user by using the "eject" 
command. I could mount it though. I could but eject the CDROM as root. I 
used to get:
$> eject /cdrom
eject: unable to open `/dev/cdrom'

The problem was the group owner ship of my cdrom(it is linked to 
/dev/hdc in my case):

earlier:
usr/src# ls -l /dev/hdc
brw-rw1 root disk  22,   0 Mar 14  2002 /dev/hdc
Then, (thanks to:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/debian-user-200012/msg04202.html 
where it is suggested *NEVER* to make a normal user a member of the 
'disk' group), I changed it to:
/usr/src# chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc
/usr/src# ls -l /dev/hdc
brw-rw1 root cdrom 22,   0 Mar 14  2002 /dev/hdc

And I am already a member of 'cdrom' group. Now I can use the eject the 
command as a normal user to open/close the CD tray.

HTH somebody, since I don't recall getting a satisfactory answer when I 
asked this earlier a few weeks ago.
regards,
->HS

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rosettastone

[Wayne Sitton]

I have done away with my windows drive all together. I have found no
reason to use winblows except for games, witch I now play on my
playstation2.

but my latest interupt is a problem...I would like to use
rosettastone.com for learning another language, unfortunately, the
online teaching uses macrmedia's shockwave,


is there a way for me to use this service under linux?


Wayne


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Re: [Solved] Re: installed new kernel, but lost internal network

[Kristian Niemi]

I'm not at all sure about this, but when you copied the config from 
/boot, did you copy it to .config? .../kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1/.config, 
that is. Might be that it have to be called that, in order for you to be 
able to do a `make oldconfig', which I suppose is what you tried to do?

Good it worked out for the best anyway. ;)

h: Krisse



H. S. wrote:





Okay, I know what I was doing wrong, or what was going wrong without my 
actually doing it :)

I extracted the bz2 kernel source archive in /usr/src and to prepare for 
a compilation, I copied my config-2.4.18-bf2.4 from /boot to kernel 
source directory (in my case it was kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1/). I 
assumed this would give me the same configuration as I had in my 
previous kernel. It was not so. I had to manually enable ip_forwarding, 
nat filtering, and all the related features in the menuconfig interface. 
These features were enabled in my older kernel, so I would guess 
something has changed between the kernel versions and just copying the 
old config file is not enough, it has to be hand edited to make sure all 
the options are set correctly as desired --  cannot avoid spending that 
half an hour going through that ncurses gui afterall :(

I did that (since everything else was working, I figured it *had* to be 
the kernel) and my network is working perfectly.

I wonder why nobody could suggest this. Nobody has encountered this 
before? Or nobody does masquarading with Debain (extremely unlikely I 
would guess, but possible)? :)

Anyway, I hope this report helps someone else facing this problem,
->HS




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Re: problems installing java

[Kristian Niemi]

I still don't have java working; Firebird just crashes, so I'm probably 
/not/ the best one to give any suggestions here -- *but* my first 
question to you would be, do you *have* those directories dpkg mentions, 
particularly the latter one? ;)

h: Krisse

tripolar wrote:
well back in town and trying to install java on mothers pc so she can
goto websites with java.
I first upgraded her system to sid ( because that is what mine is)
then added a site from apt-get.org for j2re1.4
did apt-get install j2re1.4
then this-
Setting up j2re1.4 (1.4.0.99beta-1) ...
update-alternatives: unable to make
/usr/lib/mozilla-cvs/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to
/etc/alternatives/javaplugin_oji-mozilla-cvs.so: No such
file or directory
dpkg: error processing j2re1.4 (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 j2re1.4
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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Re: installed nvidia driver, but permission denied while trying tuxracer

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

H. S. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Okay, if you look at my earlier posts today, you will
> see a sequence of events that finally took me to a
> successful kernel upgrade and nvidia driver
> installation. But now, when I first started tuxracer,
> I got:
> $> tuxracer
> [...]
> 
> NV: could not open control device /dev/nvidiactl
> (Permission denied)
> Error: Could not open /dev/nvidiactl because the
> permissions
> are too resticitive.  Please see the FREQUENTLY ASKED
> QUESTIONS
> section of /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README for
> steps
> to correct.
> 
> here is what I had in /dev:
> [...]
> crw-rw1 root video195, 255 Dec  6
> 03:28 nvidiactl
> 
> 
> So I made myself a member of video group(thanks to
> google groups). But I still got a similar error. So, I
> took a deep breadth, and did(thanks to google groups
> again):
> /dev# chmod o+rw nvidia*
> 
> to get:
> /dev# ls -l nvidia*
> [...]
> crw-rw-rw-1 root video195, 255 Dec  6
> 03:28 nvidiactl
> 
> and now tuxracer is working fine. But my questions is,
> is this the proper way to do it?

I installed the driver using the installer from nvidia.com and the
permissions are crw-rw-rw-, only owner.group is root.root, so I think
it should be okay. By the way, did you log out and in again after
adding yourself to the video group? Otherwise the system won't know
that you added yourself to that group.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: [Solved] Re: installed new kernel, but lost internal network

[H. S.]

Kristian Niemi wrote:
I'm not at all sure about this, but when you copied the config from 
/boot, did you copy it to .config? .../kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1/.config, 
Yes, that is what I did.


that is. Might be that it have to be called that, in order for you to be 
able to do a `make oldconfig', which I suppose is what you tried to do?

Good it worked out for the best anyway. ;)


:)
->HS



h: Krisse



H. S. wrote:





Okay, I know what I was doing wrong, or what was going wrong without 
my actually doing it :)

I extracted the bz2 kernel source archive in /usr/src and to prepare 
for a compilation, I copied my config-2.4.18-bf2.4 from /boot to 
kernel source directory (in my case it was kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1/). 
I assumed this would give me the same configuration as I had in my 
previous kernel. It was not so. I had to manually enable 
ip_forwarding, nat filtering, and all the related features in the 
menuconfig interface. These features were enabled in my older kernel, 
so I would guess something has changed between the kernel versions and 
just copying the old config file is not enough, it has to be hand 
edited to make sure all the options are set correctly as desired --  
cannot avoid spending that half an hour going through that ncurses gui 
afterall :(

I did that (since everything else was working, I figured it *had* to 
be the kernel) and my network is working perfectly.

I wonder why nobody could suggest this. Nobody has encountered this 
before? Or nobody does masquarading with Debain (extremely unlikely I 
would guess, but possible)? :)

Anyway, I hope this report helps someone else facing this problem,
->HS






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Re: rosettastone

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Possibly- go to http://www.macromedia.com/downloads/

I believe that the flashplayer for Mozilla/Linux also has shockwave. 
Download, install, and try it with rosettastone and see how well it 
works.  I've never used rosetta, but other sites have been fine with 
flash for linux.

Wayne Sitton wrote:
I have done away with my windows drive all together. I have found no
reason to use winblows except for games, witch I now play on my
playstation2.
but my latest interupt is a problem...I would like to use
rosettastone.com for learning another language, unfortunately, the
online teaching uses macrmedia's shockwave,
is there a way for me to use this service under linux?

Wayne




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Re: problems installing java

[Kristian Niemi]

Heh heh ... Now I actually got it to work. The problem was the java, 
after all ...

So I uninstalled the java I had installed from sun's website, added the 
following to my sources.list

deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./

Then apt-got j2re1.4; j2se as well as java-common got installed as well.

Then, I went to FB's plugin-folder, /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/plugin/, 
and did `ln -s 
usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so', restarted 
FB, and lo and behold --- it worked like a charm.

h: Krisse

tripolar wrote:
having problems installing java
first using apt-get or aptitude what should I install?
2) any tricks to have konqueror, mozilla,& netscape find java?
3. Any links I should set up and how?
I have main non-free & contrib in my sources.list
unstable
thanks



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Re: installed nvidia driver, but permission denied while trying tuxracer

[H. S.]

Andreas Janssen wrote:
Hello

I installed the driver using the installer from nvidia.com and the
permissions are crw-rw-rw-, only owner.group is root.root, so I think
it should be okay. By the way, did you log out and in again after
adding yourself to the video group? Otherwise the system won't know
that you added yourself to that group.
Yes, that was it. How dumb of me :(
I have now changed back the permission where 'others' do not have any:
> ls -l /dev/nvidia*
crw-rw1 root video195,   0 Dec  6 03:28 /dev/nvidia0
crw-rw1 root video195,   1 Dec  6 03:28 /dev/nvidia1
crw-rw1 root video195,   2 Dec  6 03:28 /dev/nvidia2
crw-rw1 root video195,   3 Dec  6 03:28 /dev/nvidia3
crw-rw1 root video195, 255 Dec  6 03:28 /dev/nvidiactl
and I am able to use the driver as a video group member. This makes feel 
a *lot* better :)

Well, it is 4:41 in the morning, when I was trying tuxracer it was a 
little after 3am :(  The kernel, nvidia, mousedev, cdrom  I guess 
enough for today ;)

I off to hit the sack,
regards,
->HS
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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[David Palmer.]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:14:16 -0700
Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 05:40:32AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:25:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
> > > >> 
> > > >> As usual, science fiction was here before.  C.F., _The Songs of
> > > >> Distant Earth_ by Arthur C. Clarke.
> > > > 
> > > > You do remember that the first generation colonists in the novel
> > > > were"manufactured" from gene samples and raised by machines that
> > > > taught them a sanitized version of human history and culture? 
> > > > They were genetically and culturally engineered to be
> > > > altruistic.  So maybe our best hope lies in breeding out our
> > > > baser instincts.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Somehow, I doubt that "baser insticts" can be bred out, especially
> > > by just not teaching about them.
> > > 
> > > That whole "those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it"
> > > line...
> > > 
> > >
> > given the consistency with which the old mistakes are repreated, i
> > seriously wonder if that adage holds true.
> > 
> 
> I have another thought. This, and my last post, and lots of other
> stuff of this nature, should really not be here. I'm subscribing to
> debian-curiosa. I think everyone who want to talk about 'the meaning
> of life', or other OT things should either move there, or post a
> message there as to where they are moving. Its fun, but lets not do
> it here.
> 
> -- 
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> 
Seconded.
See you there.
Regards,

David.


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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[David Palmer.]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:32:46 -0700
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 05:57 GMT, Paul E Condon penned:
> > 
> > As the most recent user of this phrase on this list, let me join
> > this discussion:
> > 
> > The sense in which I meant 'know history' was to know what has
> > happened in prior times when a certain course of action or a certain
> > line of reasoning was used. For humans, instincts are stuff like the
> > ability to acquire and use language, the ability to engage in
> > thought about what others are thinking, etc. Clarke's postulates
> > seeem to me foolish, but amusing. We don't have adequate definitions
> > of what we mean by altruism in humans. Our lives are rather complex,
> > and what might seem altruistic at first sight can be, on more deep
> > examination,'enlightened self-interest', and visa-versa. 
> > 
> 
> Who are you, Kant? =P
> 
> I haven't actually read the book, so I can't really chime in on what
> Clarke did or didn't accomplish or intend to accomplish.  
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > 
> > For me, the consistency with which mistakes are repeated, is a proof
> > of the ignorance of history on the part of the players, not a
> > disproof of the addage. 
> 
> I tend to agree here, except that it's not that simple, because the
> factors are never *exactly* the same, and some people are better than
> others at discerning similar patterns.  In fact, I'd tend to believe
> that most folks are pretty bad at it.  Then again, that's probably
> just self-aggrandizing fluff, since I consider myself to be pretty
> good at it.
> 
> ... Anyway, point is, it's not as simple as recognizing identical
> situations.  It's seeing similar situations, recognizing the pattern,
> and being able to extrapolate from there.
> 
> > It is hard to determine just exactly what is the special thing that
> > makes homo sapiens different from other great apes. Some say there
> > is no essential difference, others say that we were create different
> > by God. I think we have a special ability to see ourselves from
> > 'outside', and to think about how others see us. But others claim
> > that this is an illusion. But if one chooses to live within the
> > illusion, knowing history is surely better than not knowing it.  And
> > if one pretends to reject the illusion, ... whatever ... 
> 
> Heh.
> 
> Every time scientists have held forth some notion that "humans are
> unique because," later scientists have found a variety of "animals"
> that do the same thing.  I'm not saying that there might not be some
> unique point, but the fact is, without being able to sit down to a
> pint of guinness with representatives of other species, it's kind of
> hard to really know what, if anything, is going on in their heads.
> 
> Just today, I was reading Discover Magazine, and this scientist was
> stating as "fact" that animals simply don't feel pain the way humans
> do. Maybe that's what he has to tell himself to get through the day,
> but last I heard, that was far from accepted Truth, and it's certainly
> a concept that I have trouble swallowing, having seen my cats and dogs
> seemingly in pain, seemingly panicked, seemingly joyful, seemingly
> playful, seemingly sad ... maybe there are other explanations, but
> they ring hollow to my ears.
> 
Heidegger, not Kant is the one with the answer here.
'Dasein', - Man, the being for whom being is a question.
With all due respect to cats and dogs.
Regards,

David.


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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Tom]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:16:15PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> > 
> Heidegger, not Kant is the one with the answer here.
> 'Dasein', - Man, the being for whom being is a question.
> With all due respect to cats and dogs.

Have you ever seen the "Intelligence" episode of "Trials of Life" ?
Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?

I saw this dog snag a mouse.  At first it would run away, so he'd grab 
it and shake it.  After a while its back was broken, and couldn't run 
much.  So when it would try a bit it would knock it with its paw to make 
it look like it was trying to run, at which point it would pick it up 
and shake it some more.  He gave up when it was dead.

How about the "Hunting and Killing" episode of trials of life?

And on a more spirtual note: have you ever heard the trees talking to 
you?  They wonder why we run around so much...

I think "being a soul" is a contiuum.  I certainly slide up and down it 
all the time -- sometimes I'm an angel, sometimes I'm dog, sometimes I'm 
green slime.  I think what separates us from animals is our "range" :: 
animals inhabit a narrower spectrum of the states of consciousness which 
are common to ours.


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Re: Linux vs. SCO: 1-0

[Sneferu]

Plus that Linus Torwalds was subpoenaed in trial.

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/14/155201.shtml?tid=106&tid=185&tid=187&tid=88

Still my bad.

At 06:08 07.12.2003, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:41:39 -0700,
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 01:29 GMT, Sneferu penned:
> >
> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1405711,00.asp
> >
> >
> > It looks like the 1st round was good for us ;-)
> >
> > The "show me yours I'll show you main" game has started anyway.
> >
>
> Strange.  I thought it was IBM vs SCO.
..technically, it is, but we all know it's us vs the Evil Empire.  ;-)

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Re: Debian instalation

[Mariano Kamp]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 02:46, king kong wrote:
[ .. ]
> Oh, and don't get me go into the installer. It just
> plain
> sucks (Yeah, shoot me, I said it!). For god sake, we
> are almost passed half of the first decaded of the 21
> century, and we still can't have a good installer that
> recognizes the hardware properly. For my server, I
> didn't dare to buy any new hardware, only those that
> are at least 2 years old, and it still can't get it.
> E.g.
> DLink DFE-530TX, PT-Link cards, and some old
> ATI cards. I can pop Knoppix and Mepis in, and they
> just works fine. Same for RH, Mandrake and Suse.
> The package management is cool and fine, but if you
> can't get pass the installation, you can't use it.
Did you ever try the beta-1 of the new installer? Just curious ...
It worked very well for me and detected all the right stuff. Apart from having 
to use fdisk I believe almost everybody will be able to install Linux with 
it. 
And regarding the fdisk thing. I am not sure, but I believe to remember that 
there might have been an option to let the installer do the partitioning.

[..]
> Actually, we are evaluating
> the
> distros for a client with a 50-server installation in
> a
> data center. They gave the hardware specs, and I'm
> really concerned about the debian installation
> process.
That's very interesting. Especially for installing 50 systems with a common 
set of software it is debian coming to my mind, not any other distribution.

Cheers,
Mariani


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Re: Debian instalation

[Mariano Kamp]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 13:18, Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote:
> There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so
> experimented to keep track of the files by myself.
>
> I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with
> XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader.
Hi,

  welcome to Debian. A great choice ;-)

  The 128KBits line is a burden, but that should only be a problem if you are 
tracking unstable/sid. From yesterday to today I got 140 MB download (that is 
one day), but this won't happen if you go for testing/sarge. Between two 
releases of a package is a minimum gap of 10 days (afaik). 

  What kind of system are you setting up? A webserver you want to put on the 
net and never want to spare a second thought on it? Woody is probably good 
for you here. 
If you want more current software and are willing to take a little risk go for 
testing/sarge. Go to /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all "stable" with 
"sarge". Enter "apt-get update" to update your package database and "apt-get 
dist-upgrade" for upgrading the whole installation. This will also add new 
packages which you haven't had before, but are now available in the "stock" 
sarge distro. You likely will have to download more than 100 MB. The good 
thing is that you can interrupt the download process at any time and resume 
just there when doing an dist-upgrade again.

Only problem with sarge is, that for some package with loads of dependencies 
it takes a long time to trach it. KDE 3.1 has taken ages.

Cheers,
Mariano


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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Klaus Imgrund]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:23 am, Tom wrote:


> Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?

Animals don't have a concept of torture.
Most pets rarely kill anything and are almost as clueless how to go about it 
as I am with fixing my box.
They are merely what appears to be cruel at times to the human bystander.
Actually I don't care how my dogs send beings on to the next world as long as 
they do - all in a days work.

Klaus


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HELP ... Compiling kernel fails with "cannot stat 'conf.vars'". Was: Re: Compiling 2.6: Cannot stat "conf.vars"

[Mariano Kamp]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 08:35, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> lör 2003-12-06 klockan 23.47 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > On Saturday 06 December 2003 23:10, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> > > lör 2003-12-06 klockan 18.25 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > > >   [..] (copied by hand)
> > > > install -p -o root -g root -m 644 conf.vars
> > > > debian/tmp-image/usr/share/doc/ kernel-image-2.6.0-test9/conf.vars
> > > > install: cannot stat "conf.vars": No such file or directory
> > > >   [..]
> > >
> > > I get the same error compiling 2.4.22. I upgraded my unstable today.
> >
> > And was it working before?
> This is my first attempt to build the kernel from source. But i used the
> old config from my 2.4.21-4-k7. I followed the steps in "Creating custom
> kernels with Debian's kernel-package system".

Mmh. In unstable came a new version of the kernel-package this night, but that 
didn't help either..

Anybody any ideas? It breaks compiles with 2.4 and 2.6.

Cheers,
Mariano 


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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Nicos Gollan]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:33:45 -0800
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > A spammer harvesting replies.
> 
> Any particular reason to feel that's the case?  Are you seeing this
> behavior elsewhere?

I'm getting some of those lately between all the other trash, and
frankly I can't think of any other reason for those messages (other than
some {m|w}ildly disturbed freak).

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Re: Character set weirdness

[Nicos Gollan]

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:30:32 -0200
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Em Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:00:59 +0100, Nicos Gollan escreveu:
> 
> > With LANG set to en_US.UTF-8, konsole even accepts and prints
> > umlauts on the command line.
> 
>   Do you have .UTF-8 in your /etc/environment or
>   something
> the like?  Looks like you don't, then you set it in konsole.  That way
> only konsole works properly.

/etc/environment:
LANG=en_US.UTF-8

The locale is generated, but still konsole refuses to print the
filenames properly. Could this be a problem with some Xserver/xlib
setting?

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Re: Unidentified subject!

[David Palmer.]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:15:50 +0100
Nicos Gollan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:33:45 -0800
> "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > A spammer harvesting replies.
> > 
> > Any particular reason to feel that's the case?  Are you seeing this
> > behavior elsewhere?
> 
> I'm getting some of those lately between all the other trash, and
> frankly I can't think of any other reason for those messages (other
> than some {m|w}ildly disturbed freak).
> 
Hmmm...
Have you asked Tom if he knows anything about this?
Regards,

David.


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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Tom]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 06:17:12AM -0500, Klaus Imgrund wrote:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:23 am, Tom wrote:
> 
> 
> > Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?
> 
> Animals don't have a concept of torture.

I don't much care what you want to call it -- point is they do it.
Killer whales will also play with and torture seals before they eat 
them.

But the point wasn't to say that Animals == Man or "gee ain't animals 
gruesome", the point was to say that rocks = 0.0; man = 1.0; and animals 
are somewhere in the middle.  It's an attenuated form of what we do.


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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Tom]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:39:18PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> Have you asked Tom if he knows anything about this?

I'd rather be me than you.  There's a lot of you.


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Re: The lost cramfs patch (was: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises)

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Benedict!

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:15:22AM +0100, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
I found a mail on the developers mailing list that shows how to make
an initrd without the cramfs patch. One can use the following in the
mkinitrd.conf file:
MKIMAGE="genromfs -d %s -f %s"

This would mean that the "lost" cramfs patch can remain lost since
one doesn't really need it :)
Right :)

BTW, I just read on current debian-devel about this:
|MKIMAGE='genromfs -f /dev/fd/1 -d %s | gzip -9 > %s'
|The above is a better option.
I guess you meant the "Initrd rocks!"-subthread...

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Re: Unidentified subject!

[David Palmer.]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 03:35:12 -0800
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:39:18PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> > Have you asked Tom if he knows anything about this?
> 
> I'd rather be me than you.  There's a lot of you.
> 
Oh...
Hello, Tom.
How are you?
Come to mess with my head, have we?
Regards,

David.


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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Tom]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:39:18PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> > than some {m|w}ildly disturbed freak).
> > 
> Hmmm...
> Have you asked Tom if he knows anything about this?
> Regards,

I like your style man.  The thing I like about you, is, you're not 
afraid to just say "bleah; here's what I think; I might say something 
wrong" but dammit I'll say it anyway.

Too many other of these computer people grew up being hurt and they 
practiced their stinging barbs, and if they can't just cut you to shreds 
they clam up.  Thanks man, you're one of the good ones.


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[Tom]

What can I do to mutt to make it stop CC-ing the list when I hit "g" and 
only want to reply to the sender?  I always forget to check the CCs 
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Re: silly ALSA sound problem

[Alexander Fitterling]

Am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2003 10:41 schrieb michelle:

I am not sure if I can help. I believe ALSA mutes the mixer device, you have 
to reset it to other values.

Getting ALSA to work in particular seemed easy to me. But I suggest you refere 
to ALSA project page. See the soundcard matrix. In the last column 
installation hints for each soundcard are givien via link. As I remember all 
you would need is the driver tarball and alsa-lib. You don't even need 
utitlities.

But I presume that's not what you want. If you rather think of a mixer 
problem, you can use the setmixer tool coming with Debian. For that case and 
in case your mixer is muted by default perform a apt-get install setmixer. It 
sets mixer device during system startup and does not mute it by default.

Another source of error could be that you do not own access right to the dsp 
and mixer device. Usually in Debian you can do a adduser [username] audio (as 
root) and logout and login again. Now your user should get access to the 
sound devices since they belong to group audio and root. No one else can. 

To get sound very quick I best suggest you refering to ALSA project page. 
Depend on compilation time of the source you have sound access in almost 
10min of time.(Be aware you need a proper kernel tree to be able to build 
alsa. It has to be got compiled least once)

> I can't get any sound to play. I'm using sarge, with ALSA 0.96
> /proc shows 3 "sound cards"
>         0  Dummy
>         1  Virtual MIDI
>         2  Live
>
> 2 is my SBLive card. However, there's no sound, perhaps because it's muted
> by default? But with alsamixer all I can bring up is Dummy. So how do I get
> this to work?


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Wvdial and mysterious /dev/ttyS0 permission change

[Alexander Fitterling]

Everyone.

Debian has some setting like this for my modem device

crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64  7. Jan 2002  /dev/ttyS0

I added all necessary users to group "dialout" at least to have them access 
our modem.

But when some users start wvdial and the line breaks if maximum idle time is 
reached wvdial still seems busy and still gets hold of /dev/ttyS0. After a 
user sends Ctrl+C the /dev/ttyS0 looks like this:

crw-r-1 root dialout4,  64  7. Jan 2002  /dev/ttyS0

... and no one can dial in again. I have to change this as root.

What actually does go wrong here? If one would use kppp the problem does 
occur.

Regards,
Alex



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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[John L. Fjellstad]

Magnus von Koeller wrote:

> I mean, after all, you can still boot to the old kernel with LinuxOLD,
> can't you? Or is your machine that uptime-critical?

No, I'm just worried because I have unplugged everything on it (monitor,
keyboard etc). So the only way I will find out something is wrong is if it
doesn't come up after a couple of minutes (and then I have to spend some
time plugging stuff in etc).

Basically, I'm just trying to understand the reason why I get the missing
symbols... (it would be more reassuring if I understood the why:-)

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Re: segmented mem - Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[Paul Morgan]

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:54:39 -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Paul Morgan wrote:
> 
>> IBM did popularize the term "PC", but they sure as heck didn't invent the
>> personal computer.  And, because they'd bought the rights to the Intel
>> 8086, and because of the sheer economic power and brand recognition of
>> IBM, we all got stuck with the dreadful Intel segmented memory
>> architecture.
> 
> my understanding is that segmented mem like the x86 makes it easy
> for context swap and page fault recovery ??
>   - 68000 and  Z8000 has a harder time to do "recovery"
>   but easier to write code and faster for general aps
> 
> i like pdp-style apps ... everything directly accessible as memory ...
>   
> c ya
> alvin
>  
> - google just had a party at the computer museum ..
> - computer museum happen to have all these old toys
>   ( pdp-8, cray-1, ... all working ... 
>   ( paper tape, catridges, punch cards too

Segmented memory addressing is cheaper, don't need as wide an address bus,
and it certainly adds a level of complexity to asm programming, and of
course it's slower.  I didn't do any asm programming after the 8086/8088,
but there was no hardware memory management as you suggest until the
80386. The big downside of that is that all memory was available to all
processes; all you had to do was just not play by the OS's rules.

I'm digging back in my memory for this, so please read IIRC for every
statement :)

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Xprint observations

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

Using sid, I installed mozilla-browser-snapshot and xprint.

1. Printing web pages is not 'wysiwig'; the default text (without
   font tags in the HTML) which is printed is not the same as it
   is on the screen. Mostly it is some kind of sans-serif font. R.
   Chandrasekhar mentioned the same problem a few months ago; in
   his case everything was printed in Courier.

2. Following R. Chandrasekhar, I downloaded Mozilla from
   mozilla.org and installed it in /usr/local. That version does
   print whatever text is on the screen completely 'wysiwig', by
   constructing Postscript files with lots of bitmaps. Often the
   bitmaps look awful when viewed in gv, but they look fine on
   paper. However, Mozilla from mozilla.org does not display
   anti-aliased fonts in the browser screen. R. Chandrasekhar
   mentioned this also.

3. By some tweaking (setting "font.FreeType2.enable" to "true" in
   /usr/local/mozilla/defaults/pref/unix.js), it is possible to
   get anti-aliased fonts also in the mozilla.org version. The
   anti-aliasing is much less beautiful than in Debian
   mozilla-snapshot, but anti-aliased it is. In the mozilla.org
   version, in preferences/appearance/fonts, the names of AA
   fonts start with a capital letter, the non-AA versions with
   a lowercase letter.

4. But if you select AA fonts for display in the mozilla.org
   version, xprint no longer prints 'wysiwig'. Just like in the
   Debian version.

So there seems to be some incompatibility between AA display and
'wysiwig' printing through xprint. This could be a fundamental
problem; if so, it would seriously limit the usefulness of xprint.
But I wonder if anyone has been able to set it up in such a way
as to have AA display and 'wysiwig' printing at the same time.

Regards, Jan





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Re: Wvdial and mysterious /dev/ttyS0 permission change

[Alexander Fitterling]

Am Sonntag, 7. Dezember 2003 13:18 schrieb Alexander Fitterling:

[...]

What actually does go wrong here? If one would use kppp the problem
does NOT occur.

>
> Regards,
> Alex





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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Magnus von Koeller]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 01:46, John L. Fjellstad wrote:
> No, I'm just worried because I have unplugged everything on it
> (monitor, keyboard etc). So the only way I will find out something
> is wrong is if it doesn't come up after a couple of minutes (and
> then I have to spend some time plugging stuff in etc).

Well, true, I had the exact same setup w/o keyboard and monitor. I was 
also pretty worried. And I still don't understand it. So if you do 
find out what's causing it, it would still be interesting to know.

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[Paul Morgan]

Anyone connecting to their corporate intranet TCP/IP using ATT
Globalnet fixedIP service?

It is often inconvenient for me to reboot to XP in order to access my
corp's intranet TCP/IP, but I have had no success in getting the ATT Linux
dialer to work properly on Linux, so I am going to have to set it up
manually, I guess.  I would prefer to do this, as the ATT dialer seems to
be pretty brutal in terms of scribbling over other stuff and messing up
/etc/resolv.conf.

This post is just a feeler to see if anyone's already doing it.

TIA

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Re: segmented mem - Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[John Hasler]

Paul Morgan writes:
> ...but there was no hardware memory management as you suggest until the
> 80386.

The 80286 had memory management.
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Re: rosettastone

[Kent West]

Wayne Sitton wrote:

I have done away with my windows drive all together. I have found no
reason to use winblows except for games, witch I now play on my
playstation2.
but my latest interupt is a problem...I would like to use
rosettastone.com for learning another language, unfortunately, the
online teaching uses macrmedia's shockwave,
is there a way for me to use this service under linux?

Wayne

 

I've got "Shockwave Flash" installed according to my "about:plugins" in 
mozilla-firebird, and the site's online demo does not work for me, 
complaining that I need "director".

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Re: App for making invitation cards

[Andy Firman]

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:57:46AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> I've had my mom running Debian for a couple of years, but she's just 
> doing the minimal stuff of email/web browsing, and is not computer literate.
> 
> Now she wants to create party invitations. Any suggestions as to the 
> best direction to steer her? (Solving some of these issues would really 
> be easier in the Windows world, but I _really_ want to avoid going that 
> route. _Really_!)

I just discoverd Scribus.  Desktop publishing for Linux.
It is a great program.  Similar to MS Publisher.

Description: a free software desktop publishing program
 Scribus is a free software layout program for GNU/Linux similar to a
 couple of proprietary programs from Adobe and Quark.
 .
 Unlike other programs Scribus uses only Type1 fonts of the X-Server.
 Therefore there is no fiddling around with installing extra fonts. For
 this reason the number of fonts is a little bit limited, but you can be
 sure that your monitor shows exactly the same as the printed output is.
 .
 Documentation for this package is available in either French, German or
 English. Please choose your appropriate scribus-doc-XX documentation package.


Andy


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Re: printer icon

[SongerMH]

I just installed 9.0 and cannot find my printer icon, can you please help me

Re: mousepad kernel 2.6.0-test9

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 12:21:08AM -0800, panda wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I installed the 2.6.0-test9-1-i386 kernel on my laptop
> HP ZE 5170 
> Pentium 4 
> 512 MB ram
> 15 inch screen
> ATI Radeon mobility graphics card 32 MB
> Trident sound card
> 
> The problem is that the mousepad stops working along with the sound
> card.
> 
> I cheched lsmod. It shows mousedev but it is not used.
> I tried rmmod mousedev and then insmod mousedev but no effect.
> 
> kudzu doesn't detect any new hardware either.
> 
> I have a working 2.4.18-bf24 kernel which didn't need to be prodded for
> the mouse configuration.
> 
> Can I do anything other than compiling the kernel. Should I be trying
> something else?
> Thanks a lot for all ur help.
> 

Try using /dev/input/mice instead of /dev/psaux or whatever you are using
under the X configuration.

> Panda
> 
> 
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Housecleaning

[Mauricio]

Now that I have in my closet one linux (Sun IPX, debian 3.0), 
one netbsd (DEC 5000/25, netbsd 1.6.1), and one solaris (Sun SS20, 
Solaris 9) box, I start wondering about keeping everybody playing 
nice with each other.  For instance, take /etc/hosts: should I use 
NIS/YP so I have to change only one file?  What about LDAP?  Or, 
should I physically copy the file in case the machine hosting the 
main file is down?  Or, should I have one machine as the internal DNS 
and go from there (probably this one can be done independently from 
the above issue ;)?

How about sharing files between then?  Since the SS20/Sol9 box has 
the largest HD, should I just mount its /home in the other machines? 
If so, NFS is the way or I can use another approach... including 
perhaps even samba so I can mount the very same partition in the PCs 
without having another service running?

Decisions... decisions...

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Re: Mutt, stop CC-ing the list

[Jason Stechschulte]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:54:44AM -0800, Tom wrote:
> What can I do to mutt to make it stop CC-ing the list when I hit "g" and 
> only want to reply to the sender?  I always forget to check the CCs 
> before I hit Y.

The easiest way is to use the subscribe syntax in your muttrc, and then
use L to reply to the list.  Something like:

subscribe debian-user

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Re: Xprint observations

[R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar]

Dear Jan,

I have an interesting footnote to add to your observations.

If you install mozilla-browser_1.5-3 and include mozilla-xft_1.5-3 from 
unstable, and in Mozilla, under Edit/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts, 
select the fonts serif, sans-serif and monospace, without foundry 
affiliation (probably from Xft?) you can see rather impressive 
anti-aliased fonts on-screen and also get good looking serif, sans-serif 
and monospace printout from Xprint under Mozilla.

However, if you change to any other fonts such as, for instance, 
verdana, the Xprint output will default to courier.

My suspicion is that the re-direction activated by the mozilla-xft 
package in some way (through the default preferences, or perhaps through 
GTK?) affects the ability of Xprint to locate all truetype anti-aliased 
fonts other than those called serif, sans-serif and monospace (from 
Xft?), even though these other fonts are obviously recognized by both 
Mozilla and the system.

I hope someone responsible and more knowledgeable in these matters will 
clean this up.

Thanks.

--Chandra
  07 Dec 03
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
Using sid, I installed mozilla-browser-snapshot and xprint.

1. Printing web pages is not 'wysiwig'; the default text (without
   font tags in the HTML) which is printed is not the same as it
   is on the screen. Mostly it is some kind of sans-serif font. R.
   Chandrasekhar mentioned the same problem a few months ago; in
   his case everything was printed in Courier.
2. Following R. Chandrasekhar, I downloaded Mozilla from
   mozilla.org and installed it in /usr/local. That version does
   print whatever text is on the screen completely 'wysiwig', by
   constructing Postscript files with lots of bitmaps. Often the
   bitmaps look awful when viewed in gv, but they look fine on
   paper. However, Mozilla from mozilla.org does not display
   anti-aliased fonts in the browser screen. R. Chandrasekhar
   mentioned this also.
3. By some tweaking (setting "font.FreeType2.enable" to "true" in
   /usr/local/mozilla/defaults/pref/unix.js), it is possible to
   get anti-aliased fonts also in the mozilla.org version. The
   anti-aliasing is much less beautiful than in Debian
   mozilla-snapshot, but anti-aliased it is. In the mozilla.org
   version, in preferences/appearance/fonts, the names of AA
   fonts start with a capital letter, the non-AA versions with
   a lowercase letter.
4. But if you select AA fonts for display in the mozilla.org
   version, xprint no longer prints 'wysiwig'. Just like in the
   Debian version.
So there seems to be some incompatibility between AA display and
'wysiwig' printing through xprint. This could be a fundamental
problem; if so, it would seriously limit the usefulness of xprint.
But I wonder if anyone has been able to set it up in such a way
as to have AA display and 'wysiwig' printing at the same time.
Regards, Jan







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..D-C, was: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:09:01 +0800, 
"David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:14:16 -0700
> Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 05:40:32AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 02:25:18PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 at 21:13 GMT, csj penned:
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> As usual, science fiction was here before.  C.F., _The Songs
> > > > >of> Distant Earth_ by Arthur C. Clarke.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You do remember that the first generation colonists in the
> > > > > novel were"manufactured" from gene samples and raised by
> > > > > machines that taught them a sanitized version of human history
> > > > > and culture? They were genetically and culturally engineered
> > > > > to be altruistic.  So maybe our best hope lies in breeding out
> > > > > our baser instincts.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Somehow, I doubt that "baser insticts" can be bred out,
> > > > especially by just not teaching about them.
> > > > 
> > > > That whole "those who do not know history are doomed to repeat
> > > > it" line...
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > given the consistency with which the old mistakes are repreated, i
> > > seriously wonder if that adage holds true.
> > > 
> > 
> > I have another thought. This, and my last post, and lots of other
> > stuff of this nature, should really not be here. I'm subscribing to
> > debian-curiosa. I think everyone who want to talk about 'the meaning
> > of life', or other OT things should either move there, or post a
> > message there as to where they are moving. Its fun, but lets not do
> > it here.
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
> Seconded.
> See you there.
> Regards,

..yes?  ;-)  I have seen just 4 posts here in  d-c since 
Karsten plonked me.   ;-)

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Re: rosettastone

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 08:23:27AM -0600, Kent West wrote:

> I've got "Shockwave Flash" installed according to my "about:plugins" in 
> mozilla-firebird, and the site's online demo does not work for me, 
> complaining that I need "director".

Shockwave, Flash, and Director are three separate products of Macromedia's
(although they make it especially confusing by calling the Flash player
"Shockwave Flash", even though the two are quite different).

The Macromedia site only lists a Flash player for Linux, no Shockwave
player.  (I don't believe there's such a thing as a Director player.)
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Re: frozen-bubble won't load after moving to unstable

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:02:25 -0500, 
Benjamin Rutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ever since I upgraded from stable to unstable recently, I have been
> unable to execute frozen-bubble anymore.  I've been getting the
> following errors:

..
 
> Does anyone have any idea how to solve my problem?  

..no problem, feature.  I the 4 time 100-level tour vet, says 
God meant Frozen-Bubble to be ported to wintendo to tie 
up wintendoshill time.  Now, for a real challenging useful 
experience, I refer you to http://flightgear.org/  .  ;-)

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Re: HELP ... Compiling kernel fails with "cannot stat 'conf.vars'". Was: Re: Compiling 2.6: Cannot stat "conf.vars"

[Mariano Kamp]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:07, Mariano Kamp wrote:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 08:35, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> > lör 2003-12-06 klockan 23.47 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > > On Saturday 06 December 2003 23:10, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> > > > lör 2003-12-06 klockan 18.25 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > > > >   [..] (copied by hand)
> > > > > install -p -o root -g root -m 644 conf.vars
> > > > > debian/tmp-image/usr/share/doc/ kernel-image-2.6.0-test9/conf.vars
> > > > > install: cannot stat "conf.vars": No such file or directory
> > > > >   [..]
> > > >
> > > > I get the same error compiling 2.4.22. I upgraded my unstable today.
> > >
> > > And was it working before?
> >
> > This is my first attempt to build the kernel from source. But i used the
> > old config from my 2.4.21-4-k7. I followed the steps in "Creating custom
> > kernels with Debian's kernel-package system".
>
> Mmh. In unstable came a new version of the kernel-package this night, but
> that didn't help either..
>
> Anybody any ideas? It breaks compiles with 2.4 and 2.6.

I filed a bug report: 

Hopefully it is a bug and I didn't waste the maintainers time.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=223233

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Re: segmented mem - Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[Paul Morgan]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:15:33 -0600, John Hasler wrote:

> Paul Morgan writes:
>> ...but there was no hardware memory management as you suggest until the
>> 80386.
> 
> The 80286 had memory management.

Thanks, John, I wasn't sure, I personally skipped the 80286 :)

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Re: silly ALSA sound problem

[ScruLoose]

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:46:28AM -0500, michelle wrote:
> 
> I can't get any sound to play. I'm using sarge, with ALSA 0.96
> /proc shows 3 "sound cards"
> 0  Dummy
> 1  Virtual MIDI
> 2  Live
> 
> 2 is my SBLive card. However, there's no sound, perhaps because it's muted 
> by default? But with alsamixer all I can bring up is Dummy. So how do I get 
> this to work?

man alsamixer

In particular, check out the -c and -D options ... Off the top of my
head,I suspect you're looking for something like "alsamixer -c 2"

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Re: printer icon

[Paul Morgan]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:12:01 -0500, SongerMH wrote:

> I just installed 9.0 and cannot find my printer icon, can you please help me
> 
> 
> 
> I just 
> installed 9.0 and cannot find my printer icon, can you please help me

Sometimes AOL icons don't stick too well and fall off.  Did you check the
floor under your PC?

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Re: frozen-bubble won't load after moving to unstable

[Paul Morgan]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:39:46 +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:02:25 -0500, 
> Benjamin Rutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Ever since I upgraded from stable to unstable recently, I have been
>> unable to execute frozen-bubble anymore.  I've been getting the
>> following errors:
> 
> ..
>  
>> Does anyone have any idea how to solve my problem?  
> 
> ..no problem, feature.  I the 4 time 100-level tour vet, says 
> God meant Frozen-Bubble to be ported to wintendo to tie 
> up wintendoshill time.  Now, for a real challenging useful 
> experience, I refer you to http://flightgear.org/  .  ;-)

Just took a look at the link you provided.  Arnt, that is cool.  I had no
idea that there was such a great free flight simulator.  I'll have
to get it and fly the Cessna 172 into a cross-control stall on short
final.. if it makes me yell and fall off my chair, I'll know it's good :)

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Mutt, stop CC-ing the list

[ScruLoose]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:54:44AM -0800, Tom wrote:

> What can I do to mutt to make it stop CC-ing the list when I hit "g" and 
> only want to reply to the sender?  I always forget to check the CCs 
> before I hit Y.

If you just want to reply to the sender, the key you want is "r".
The "g" key is specifically intended to reply to all recipients as well
as the sender. "g" stands for "group"-reply, "r" stands for "reply".

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Re: No need for 2.4.23 - How to do it?

[Thomas H. George]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 12:35:06AM +0100, Andreas Goesele wrote:
> Mark C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > same here from the debian sources, but with a few added patches, 
> > there is no need to download a new kernel, just get the source you have
> > for the currently running kernel, apply this patch:
> > 
> > -- cut -
> > --- 1.31/mm/mmap.c  Fri Sep 12 06:44:06 2003
> > +++ 1.32/mm/mmap.c  Thu Oct  2 01:18:19 2003
> > @@ -1041,6 +1041,9 @@
> > if (!len)
> > return addr;
> >   
> > +   if ((addr + len) > TASK_SIZE || (addr + len) < addr)
> > +   return -EINVAL;
> > +
> > /*
> >  * mlock MCL_FUTURE?
> >  */
> > -- cut -
> > 
> > and recompile, this was taken originally from, Debian Planet.
> 
> With 2.4.21 I get:
> 
> $ patch -p1 < mm.patch
> patching file mm/mmap.c
> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1041.
> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file mm/mmap.c.rej
> 
> In mmap.c.rej I find:
> 
> 
> **
> *** 1041,1046 
>  if (!len)
>  return addr;
> 
>  /*
>   * mlock MCL_FUTURE?
>   */
> --- 1041,1049 
>  if (!len)
>  return addr;
> 
> +if ((addr + len) > TASK_SIZE || (addr + len) < addr)
> +return -EINVAL;
> +
>  /*
>   * mlock MCL_FUTURE?
>   */
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Andreas Goesele
> 
> -- 
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> nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est.
>   Augustinus, De doctrina christiana
> 
I would like to apply this patch but have no idea how to do it.  I
frequently compile kernels from the already patched kernel-source's so
kernel-source-2.4.22 is on hand.  Are there instructions somewhere which
show step-by-step how and where to insert the above instructions?

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Re: keep old files

[Marc Wilson]

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:52:35PM +0530, Joydeep Bakshi wrote:
> I have faced a strange prob. in woody. whenever I modified any file the 
> previous contents is backedup with a *~* sign and the modified one is saved 
> with the actual name.

Yes, that's the default behavior for vim.  I imagine that it's also the
default for emacs and xemacs, but I'm not going to install them just to
find out.

> plz suggest me how to stop the generation of this second back-up file.

You mean first backup file, don't you?

In vim, see ':he backup'.

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Re: [Solved] Re: installed new kernel, but lost internal network

[Paul E Condon]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 02:36:09AM -0500, H. S. wrote:
> H. S. wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am doing masquarading using my Debian machine running Sarge. Earlier I 
> >was running the default kernel that comes with Woody (2.4.18-bf14 or 
> >something). Today I upgraded to the new kernel:
> >/var/log# apt-get -u install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 kernel-doc-2.4.22 
> >kernel-headers-2.4.22-1 kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.22-1-686 pcmcia-cs 
> >hotplug usbutils fxload hotplug-utils
> >
> >
> >And after this, I lost one of the NICs. I have two NICs, one is 
> >192.168.0.1 connected to the ADSL moden, and the other is 192.168.0.2 
> >connected to the internal LAN.  So when I booted into the new kernel, 
> >the second NIC RLT8139 was not detected. But when I did pppoeconf, it 
> >listed only 1 NIC and asked if I had more which were not detected. I 
> >said Yes, and it hen allowed me to install the module for the RLT NIC. 
> >And after that it reported 2 NICs fine.
> >
> >So after configuring ppp0, I could browse the net, but my internal LAN 
> >machine can't. I can't even ping that machine. I am running the same 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Okay, I know what I was doing wrong, or what was going wrong without my 
> actually doing it :)
> 
> I extracted the bz2 kernel source archive in /usr/src and to prepare for 
> a compilation, I copied my config-2.4.18-bf2.4 from /boot to kernel 
> source directory (in my case it was kernel-source-2.4.22-hs1/). I 
> assumed this would give me the same configuration as I had in my 
> previous kernel. It was not so. I had to manually enable ip_forwarding, 
> nat filtering, and all the related features in the menuconfig interface. 
> These features were enabled in my older kernel, so I would guess 
> something has changed between the kernel versions and just copying the 
> old config file is not enough, it has to be hand edited to make sure all 
> the options are set correctly as desired --  cannot avoid spending that 
> half an hour going through that ncurses gui afterall :(
> 
> I did that (since everything else was working, I figured it *had* to be 
> the kernel) and my network is working perfectly.
> 
> I wonder why nobody could suggest this. Nobody has encountered this 
> before? Or nobody does masquarading with Debain (extremely unlikely I 
> would guess, but possible)? :)
> 
> Anyway, I hope this report helps someone else facing this problem,
> ->HS
> 

I think that you were caught by a problem of which many are unaware,
and a few think too obvious to mention. Namely, between minor version
numbers of the kernel, the names and organization of config parameters
can change. It is always a good idea to use an existing .config that
you like as a starting point when building a new kernel. But, if you
are using a different source set from the one that was used with you
starting point .config, you really should use make oldconfig to catch
name changes and such. I think the instructions that come with the
kernel source say as much, but it may not be prominent enough to have
caught your eye.

When working with the kernel, I am very cautious. If I think I need to
do a build for whatever reason, I first try to build the kernel that I
think I already have, and make sure that my trial build kernel does
all the same things as my existing kernel, and in the same way. Then,
I know I have a proper build environment up and running, and a proper
starting point for modification. Then I start mucking about with
changes.

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Re: segmented mem - Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya john/paul

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Paul Morgan wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:15:33 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> 
> > Paul Morgan writes:
> >> ...but there was no hardware memory management as you suggest until the
> >> 80386.
> > 
> > The 80286 had memory management.
> 
> Thanks, John, I wasn't sure, I personally skipped the 80286 :)

some cpu had mmu built in .. some had mmu in a co-processor (mmu) chip

i did most of the whacky mmu chips for 6800[0] and 80x86 and Z0[00]
and 2900[0] series cpus ... and all the 1K,2K,4K,16k,64K chips 
and 256K was just rolling out when i got out of mmu design
- we had a whole 1MB of dynamic memory when most machines
just had 4-16K of total system memory

- and static memory, comparable to todays memory access
speeds was 1000x too expensive

- nobody liked pagemode back than ... today its nothing but page-mode
  access

- nobody liked cache back than too ... today the bigger the cpu cache
  the better

- L1, L2, L3 cache
http://www.Linux-1U.net/CPU/  ( bottom of the page )

c ya
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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Roberto Sanchez]

John L. Fjellstad wrote:
Magnus von Koeller wrote:


I mean, after all, you can still boot to the old kernel with LinuxOLD,
can't you? Or is your machine that uptime-critical?


No, I'm just worried because I have unplugged everything on it (monitor,
keyboard etc). So the only way I will find out something is wrong is if it
doesn't come up after a couple of minutes (and then I have to spend some
time plugging stuff in etc).
Basically, I'm just trying to understand the reason why I get the missing
symbols... (it would be more reassuring if I understood the why:-)
I'm a little late in the thread, but I think I am having the same
problem.  Last night I compiled a vanilla 2.4.23 kernel on my Sid
workstation to then install it on my Woody server.  Before doing
the compile, I moved my /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point from gcc-3.3
to point to gcc-2.95.  However, when I installed the resulting .deb,
I got unresolved symbols in ass the modules.  dpkg asked if I wanted
to abort, which I did.
I ended up just compiling on the target machine, which took close to
forever (it's a Pentium Pro 200).  Once I did that, I just installed,
rebooted and everything worked great.  BTW, this server is also
headless, which is why I was concoerned.
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Buggy Kernel How-To?

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

Hi all,

Either the Kernel How-To, as it is available from

is completely outdated, maybe even dangerously wrong, or ideas I found
in postings from

are wrong.

The Kernel How-To above, as I understand it, tells me to unpack the
kernel source as root in /usr/src/. Whereas in the postings from
debian-user to exactly *not* do this:

"another good reason to avoid extracting tarballs as root is one could
send you a tarball with a file /etc/passwd (with the absolute path
embedded), if you extract it as root your /etc/passwd would be
replaced... "

And:

"And Linus has also pointed out several times that people should *not*
compile kernels in /usr/src/linux, and instead do it in their home
directory as a regular user, not root. The only time you should become
root is when you install the kernel."

So, in short, what I found by googling about for some time: The correct
way seems to be to put the kernel-source in my (non-root) home
directory, and then 
cd /usr/src/
ln -s /home//kernel-sources linux

and then, as non-root, compile the kernel in 
/usr/src/linux/

(And then forget about some of the stuff I read in the Kernel-HowTo ?)

The background to all this is that I tried to get the kernel sources as
non-root while being in  /usr/src/ with rsync:
Which, IIRC, isn't possible. A non-root doesn't have the permission to
download stuff to this dir, right? 

So the only chance I have to get the sources in there is to run rsync as
root: Which is ugly wrong if I learned my lessons well: You never even
try to access the net as root. Right?

Thanks in anticipation.

Best Regards,
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Re: Buggy Kernel How-To?

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 18:12, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Either the Kernel How-To, as it is available from
> 
> is completely outdated, maybe even dangerously wrong, or ideas I found
> in postings from
> 

I meant to point to the thread:
"proper permissions for /usr/src/linux"

Sorry I forgot to make this clear in my previous posting:

Best Regards,
Wolfgang

> are wrong.
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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 11:17 GMT, Klaus Imgrund penned:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:23 am, Tom wrote:
> 
> 
>> Have you ever seen a dog play with a mouse by torturing it?
> 
> Animals don't have a concept of torture.  Most pets rarely kill
> anything and are almost as clueless how to go about it as I am with
> fixing my box.  They are merely what appears to be cruel at times to
> the human bystander.  Actually I don't care how my dogs send beings on
> to the next world as long as they do - all in a days work.
> 
> Klaus
> 

Actually, I normally see this behavior in cats, not dogs.

Anyway, Klaus, your description of animals seems to fit my observation
of small children -- there are plenty of stories of kids doing horrific
things because they are innocent in the sense of the pre-apple days:
they have no knowledge of right and wrong.

Anyway, I have definitely had dogs who had a sense of torture -- lock
them outside for a few hours and they would whine, and whine, and whine
about being tortured by not being allowed inside!  (This matches up with
kids nicely, too, I think -- kids are generally keenly aware of anything
that negatively affects them, while being completely unaware of how
their behavior affects others.)

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Re: Linux vs. SCO: 1-0

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 at 10:45 GMT, Sneferu penned:
> 
> Plus that Linus Torwalds was subpoenaed in trial.
> 
> http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/14/155201.shtml?tid=106&tid=185&tid=187&tid=8

A subpoena just means he's a witness =P

> Still my bad.

I'm just not sure to what extent I want to view this as linux vs. sco,
or the gpl vs. sco, etc.  Because ibm, while it has interests in linux,
may not have the deep-down conviction that some of us have when it comes
to open source and linux.

Still, it's true that this will affect the public impression of linux,
regardless of outcome.


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Re: Linux vs. SCO: 1-0

[Tom]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 10:04:29AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > Still my bad.
> 
> I'm just not sure to what extent I want to view this as linux vs. sco,
> or the gpl vs. sco, etc.  Because ibm, while it has interests in linux,
> may not have the deep-down conviction that some of us have when it comes
> to open source and linux.
> 
> Still, it's true that this will affect the public impression of linux,
> regardless of outcome.

I'm actively avoiding reading anything about it, *especially anti-SCO 
rants*.  I feel personally violated whenever anything makes me get 
apoplectic.  Not advocating this for anybody but me, but I've got an 
absolute filter on any knowledge of the issue either way.  It can only 
tarnish me.


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Re: Xprint observations

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar wrote:
Dear Jan,

I have an interesting footnote to add to your observations.

If you install mozilla-browser_1.5-3 and include mozilla-xft_1.5-3 from 
unstable, and in Mozilla, under Edit/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts, 
select the fonts serif, sans-serif and monospace, without foundry 
affiliation (probably from Xft?) you can see rather impressive 
anti-aliased fonts on-screen and also get good looking serif, sans-serif 
and monospace printout from Xprint under Mozilla.

However, if you change to any other fonts such as, for instance, 
verdana, the Xprint output will default to courier.

My suspicion is that the re-direction activated by the mozilla-xft 
package in some way (through the default preferences, or perhaps through 
GTK?) affects the ability of Xprint to locate all truetype anti-aliased 
fonts other than those called serif, sans-serif and monospace (from 
Xft?), even though these other fonts are obviously recognized by both 
Mozilla and the system.

I hope someone responsible and more knowledgeable in these matters will 
clean this up.

I am not the responsible and more knowledgeable one, but can add two 
more obscuring (to me) items:

I install mozilla's latest (e.g. 1.5 and 1.6a) from their source or cvs 
and then compile them with xft and gtk enabled. I admit that all I get 
with this over using sid mozilla-xft is the ability to change the boot 
splash, but in my search for xft this idea occurred to me first before 
searching for an xft enabled Debian package.

I do that also when I install Debian from scratch (i.e. 3.0r2 boot disks 
and then apt-get)

A curious thing will happen. At first the characters on Mozilla will 
look "terrible" (sorry about this extremely subjective term, meaning Xft 
appears enabled, but there is lost of courier-like very small text in 
the menus and toolbars). Then when I install *cupsys* and all its 
dependencies, all the fonts "straighten themselves out" and I end up 
with more fonts in the preferences, e.g. URW Bookman L, that I now use.

I think that is GTK? Because I can add .gtkrc in the ~home dir of where 
mozilla runs and affect yet more font changes. I attach the file.

That responsible and more knowledgeable one is needed ;-)

An addendum: I use a modified X 4.3.0 because of Backstreet Ruby 
mult-seat Debian and its xprt is broken and I have to apt-get the 
version from xprt.org. It's broken because nothing prints from Mozilla. 
I don't think it is the changes for Ruby because those do not affect 
printing, merely separation of video cards I/O. So it is wherever that 
version came from. ( http://www.schuldei.org/debian/bruby/ )

Hugo.




Thanks.

--Chandra
  07 Dec 03
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

Using sid, I installed mozilla-browser-snapshot and xprint.

1. Printing web pages is not 'wysiwig'; the default text (without
   font tags in the HTML) which is printed is not the same as it
   is on the screen. Mostly it is some kind of sans-serif font. R.
   Chandrasekhar mentioned the same problem a few months ago; in
   his case everything was printed in Courier.
2. Following R. Chandrasekhar, I downloaded Mozilla from
   mozilla.org and installed it in /usr/local. That version does
   print whatever text is on the screen completely 'wysiwig', by
   constructing Postscript files with lots of bitmaps. Often the
   bitmaps look awful when viewed in gv, but they look fine on
   paper. However, Mozilla from mozilla.org does not display
   anti-aliased fonts in the browser screen. R. Chandrasekhar
   mentioned this also.
3. By some tweaking (setting "font.FreeType2.enable" to "true" in
   /usr/local/mozilla/defaults/pref/unix.js), it is possible to
   get anti-aliased fonts also in the mozilla.org version. The
   anti-aliasing is much less beautiful than in Debian
   mozilla-snapshot, but anti-aliased it is. In the mozilla.org
   version, in preferences/appearance/fonts, the names of AA
   fonts start with a capital letter, the non-AA versions with
   a lowercase letter.
4. But if you select AA fonts for display in the mozilla.org
   version, xprint no longer prints 'wysiwig'. Just like in the
   Debian version.
So there seems to be some incompatibility between AA display and
'wysiwig' printing through xprint. This could be a fundamental
problem; if so, it would seriously limit the usefulness of xprint.
But I wonder if anyone has been able to set it up in such a way
as to have AA display and 'wysiwig' printing at the same time.
Regards, Jan









style "xeno_default" {
 font = "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-p-88-iso8859-1"

 fg[NORMAL]  = "#00"
 fg[PRELIGHT]= "#00"
 fg[ACTIVE]  = "#00"
 fg[SELECTED]= "#00"
 fg[INSENSITIVE] = "#00"

 bg[ACTIVE]  = "#eddcff"
 bg[NORMAL]  = "#eddcff"
 bg[PRELIGHT]= "#eddcff"
 bg[SELECTED]= "#eddcff"
 bg[INSENSITIVE] = "#eddcff"

 base[NORMAL]  = "#eddcff"
 base[PRELIGHT]= "#ed

Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Magnus von Koeller]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 18:06, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> I'm a little late in the thread, but I think I am having the same
> problem.  Last night I compiled a vanilla 2.4.23 kernel on my Sid
> workstation to then install it on my Woody server.  Before doing
> the compile, I moved my /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point from gcc-3.3
> to point to gcc-2.95.  However, when I installed the resulting
> .deb, I got unresolved symbols in ass the modules.  dpkg asked if I
> wanted to abort, which I did.

Well, this certainly seems to be the same situation. I can just tell 
you the same thing I said before. Try it and it'll most probably 
work. However, if nobody else tries it, it won't be possible to 
confirm this.

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Re: Xprint observations

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

R (Chandra) Chandrasekhar wrote:
> Dear Jan,
> 
> I have an interesting footnote to add to your observations.
> 
> If you install mozilla-browser_1.5-3 and include
> mozilla-xft_1.5-3 from unstable, and in Mozilla, under
> Edit/Preferences/Appearance/Fonts, select the fonts serif,
> sans-serif and monospace, without foundry affiliation (probably
> from Xft?) you can see rather impressive anti-aliased fonts
> on-screen and also get good looking serif, sans-serif and
> monospace printout from Xprint under Mozilla.
> 
> However, if you change to any other fonts such as, for
> instance, verdana, the Xprint output will default to courier.

I think I know more or less what is the matter now.

I also tried the version you mentioned (mozilla-browser_1.5.3) and
found the same. Very good anti-aliasing; wysiwig printing, but
only as long as you do not touch the default fonts. If you change
only *one* of the defaults to something else, xprint changes
everything to some large sans-serif font, I believe URW Gothic L;
for some reason in your case it is Courier.

In fact you do not have to *change* anything. Open the
preferences, appearance, font dialog and close it again with 'OK',
and you have "permanently" lost good print behaviour of xprint.

OK.. I did some more experiments and this is what I found. This is
fairly complicated and long, I am sorry!

-- In my case Mozilla from Debian 1.5_3 starts up with Bitstream
   Vera Serif as the serif font for *display* because that is its
   default. B.V. Serif is *called* just serif; Mozilla finds the
   correct font through fontconfig.

-- The user has a settings directory for Mozilla (Debian 1.5_3)
   called ~/.mozilla.

-- The Mozilla.org version (from
   mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-1.5-sea.tar.gz) uses that same
   settings directory. Before trying Debian Mozilla 1.5_3, I had
   set the serif font in the Mozilla.org version to Bitstream Vera
   Serif. So there was *already* a line in prefs.js:

   user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "bitstream-bitstream
  vera serif-iso8859-1");

-- Because of that, Mozilla (Debian 1.5_3) printed Bitstream Vera
   and so I thought it printed 'wysiwig'. But then after touching
   the font settings, it printed URW Gothic.

-- If I do the experiment again after rm -Rf ~/.mozilla, Mozilla
   (Debian 1.5_3) starts with a blank prefs.js file. Now it
   prints (the first time) serif in a Times Roman-like font. I
   think this is what you saw; you did not mention 'wysiwig' but
   only printing serif, sans, and mono. And of course after
   touching the font settings it becomes URW Gothic (in your
   case Courier) again.

-- In the Debian versions (mozilla-browser 1.5_3 and
   mozilla-snapshot [=1.6a] behave exactly the same in this
   respect), after touching the font settings there is a line in
   prefs.js saying either things like

   (a) user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "serif"

   OR an explicit font name if you set it, e.g.:

   (b) user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "Bitstream Vera
  Serif"

-- Now I think everything can be explained by assuming that xprint
   does not understand either (a) or (b). And if it does not
   understand it, it does some random thing like printing Courier
   or URW Gothic.

   The only two things it does understand are

   (c) user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "bitstream-bitstream
  vera serif-iso8859-1");
   in which case it prints bitstream vera, and

   (d) nothing, in which case it prints a default serif font
   (=Times new roman).

-- In other words, xprint understands only more or less "raw" font
   names, such as found in fonts.dir files. It already chokes on
   names beginning with a capital letter.

Of course I do not know how to fix this. It must have something to
do with fontconfig. At the moment in Debian, Mozilla's display
function is cleverer at understanding font names than xprint is.
The non-Debian version is not so clever but forces you to use
these "raw" names for the display, which automatically also makes
xprint work.

Regards, Jan



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Re: [OT] got a new isp

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

After 28 months with Mexican Prodigy switched to Mexican AT&T.



The latest *scientific* results are in from the comparison between AT&T 
and Prodigy ISP's in Mexico:



I know you are waiting with baited breath for more *scientific* results:

AT&T Mexico does not sighup but it has trouble staying up more than a 
day. You get this:

Dec  7 10:27:32 debian pppd[7441]: No response to 4 echo-requests
Dec  7 10:27:32 debian pppd[7441]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Dec  7 10:27:32 debian pppd[7441]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-down started (pid 
7578)
Dec  7 10:27:32 debian pppd[7441]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Peer not 
responding"]
Dec  7 10:27:32 debian pppd[7441]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-down finished (pid 
7578), status = 0x0
Dec  7 10:27:34 debian pppd[7441]: Hangup (SIGHUP)

I have never had that before, but two sighups since the new ISP and both 
with the same phenomenon. It appears ppp gets no response to 
echo-requests and hangs up.

And why is that? Who knows? How does an ISP work? Somebody playing with 
the ech-request button?

Hugo.



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Re: Pinning question

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:50:17PM -0700, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:28:28PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> > On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:48:39 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > 
> > > Don't pin between stable and anything newer, or you'll end up just
> > > having some serious cascading dependencies that will result in you
> > > running testing or unstable in the end anyway.  See also:
> > > apt-pinning considered harmful unless you *really* know what it's
> > > going to do.
> > > 
> > > Use http://www.apt-get.org/ to find good backports for woody
> > > instead.
> > 
> > I thought pinning seemed dicey when I first read up on it.
> > 
> > Whenever I think of the word "pinning", I have this persistent visual
> > of how entymologists store insects.
> 
> Blanket statements like the above aren't usually incorrect.  I using
> pinning in one form or another on the majority of my systems, quite a
> few of which are stable.  Pinning is a very useful feature, you just
> need to be aware of what it is doing.

I agree and I have recently addedd few warning words on myocument to
prevent more newbies getting trapped.  (debian-reference-en)

The thing is so many programs depend on newer glibc, perl, bash, ...

Osamu


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apt error or bug with plptools & plptools-kde

[Guilherme Viebig]

I´m using Debian 3.0r1 2.4.22 unstable

When I tried to remove plptools and plptools-kde dpkg returns error signal 1
and the dirname applied by dpkg seens to have lack of arguments.

Like:


#apt-get remove plptools-kde
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  plptools-kde
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 614kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
(Reading database ... 118328 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing plptools-kde ...
dirname: too many arguments
Try `dirname --help' for more information.
dpkg: error processing plptools-kde (--remove):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 plptools-kde
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)



Any Solutions?


Best Regards,

GBV


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Re: Wvdial and mysterious /dev/ttyS0 permission change

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Alexander Fitterling wrote:
Everyone.

Debian has some setting like this for my modem device

crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64  7. Jan 2002  /dev/ttyS0

I added all necessary users to group "dialout" at least to have them access 
our modem.

But when some users start wvdial and the line breaks if maximum idle time is 
reached wvdial still seems busy and still gets hold of /dev/ttyS0. After a 
user sends Ctrl+C the /dev/ttyS0 looks like this:

crw-r-1 root dialout4,  64  7. Jan 2002  /dev/ttyS0

... and no one can dial in again. I have to change this as root.

What actually does go wrong here? If one would use kppp the problem does 
occur.

Regards,
Alex


I hardly think it necessary to install the Mega-size KDE libs to use 
kppp, but what is the reason pon/poff won't do? Although admittedly that 
is no solution to your problem ;-)

Hugo.



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Re: Pinning question

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:10:37AM -0200, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:
> Em Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:47:21 -0500, Rich B escreveu:
> 
> > One of my servers is running stable, but I've added Unstable
> 
>   If you *really, really* want to do it, there is a section on
> running mixed distributions in the apt HOWTO manual.

That does not tell you much on this particular subject.  
---
3.8 How to keep a mixed system

People often use the testing distribution because it is more stable than
unstable and more up-to-date than stable. However, users who would like
to run the latest versions of some packages but still rather not trust
their entire systems to unstable also have the option of running mixed
testing/unstable systems. On the flip side, more conservative users may
wish to run mixed stable/testing systems.

To do that, put the following line on /etc/apt/apt.conf:

 APT::Default-Release "testing";

Then, when going to install packages from unstable, just use the -t
switch:

 # apt-get -t unstable install packagename

Do not forget that to use packages from a version of Debian, one needs
to add an apt source line to the /etc/apt/sources.list file. In our
example's case, we need source lines for the unstable distribution
besides the testing ones.

---
Kind of short and this is the same effect as (edit and include in 
/etc/apt/preferences):

1st: pin=990 to testing
2nd: pin=991 to unstable

(No offence to the original author nor its maintainers including myself.
I know kov wanted it to be simple and short)

This does not solve issues related to conflicts.

I wrote in my debian-reference-en:
---
6.2.2 Set up APT system

If you try to track mixed environment as described here, you may likely
to hit some package dependency conflicts. It is good idea not to mix
flavors. Followings are for people who is willing to experiment knowing
some risks.

For selective upgrade while tracking the testing distribution, the APT
system (>Woody) must be set up as in Transition of APT to the Woody
version, Section 5.1 to use apt_preferences(5) features.

First, add the sources for stable, testing, and unstable to your
/etc/apt/sources.list. Then, edit /etc/apt/preferences to set the proper
Pin-Priority. [31] 
...

---
See more on 
 www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto   (same as package)
 www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference   (older)
 qref.sf.net(newer)

If you really really want to do it, just experiment :-)


Osamu



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Kernel 2.6.0-testX show stoppers

[Roberto Sanchez]

I am having some problems getting 2.6.0-test11 working on my 2 Sid
boxes.  I know these questions are probably more appropriate for LKML,
but I am hoping that somone here can provide me some insight so that I
can go to the kernel people with some useful info, rather than a "help
me" request.
Any help would be appreciated.

-Roberto

Here goes:

Box 1:

Athlon XP 2500+, 1 GB RAM, 120 GB HDD
nVidia nForce2 chipset
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro w/ 128 MB
This machine just randomly and frequently locks up under any 2.6.x
kernel.  I can't find a particular pattern, but it happens every few
minutes (enough to make the machine unusable).  It is now running a
2.4.23 kernel.
Box 2:

Toshiba Satellite 2805-S401
P-III 700 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD
Intel 440BX chipset
S3 Savage IX/MV 8 MB video
Problem: Every kernel after 2.6.0-test4 gives me a hard lock-up during
the boot sequence when PCMCIA services start.  No 2.4.x kernel ever did
this, and 2.6.0-test1 thru -test4 work fine.  I have narrowed the 
problem to the point where the yenta_socket socket module is inserted.
However, if I pass acpi=off as a kernel boot parameter, it does not lock
up.  Also, if I build PCMCIA support directly into the kernel,
everything works.  I am currently running 2.6.0-test11 with PCMCIA
built in (but I would like it to be modular).

I am also receiving the following errors on boot when my scripts
set up the parameters on my HDD and CD/DVD:
hda: dma_intr: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }

hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }

hda: drive not ready for command
hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hda: drive not ready for command
hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hda: DMA disabled
hda: drive not ready for command
hda: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete 
DataRequest }

But, eventhough it says DMA is disabled, it is still enabled.

# hdparm /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  1 (on)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 38760/16/63, sectors = 39070080, start = 0


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Re: Buggy Kernel How-To?

[Roberto Sanchez]

Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
Hi all,

Either the Kernel How-To, as it is available from

is completely outdated, maybe even dangerously wrong, or ideas I found
in postings from

are wrong.
The Kernel How-To above, as I understand it, tells me to unpack the
kernel source as root in /usr/src/. Whereas in the postings from
debian-user to exactly *not* do this:
"another good reason to avoid extracting tarballs as root is one could
send you a tarball with a file /etc/passwd (with the absolute path
embedded), if you extract it as root your /etc/passwd would be
replaced... "
And:

"And Linus has also pointed out several times that people should *not*
compile kernels in /usr/src/linux, and instead do it in their home
directory as a regular user, not root. The only time you should become
root is when you install the kernel."
So, in short, what I found by googling about for some time: The correct
way seems to be to put the kernel-source in my (non-root) home
directory, and then 
cd /usr/src/
ln -s /home//kernel-sources linux

and then, as non-root, compile the kernel in 
/usr/src/linux/

(And then forget about some of the stuff I read in the Kernel-HowTo ?)

The background to all this is that I tried to get the kernel sources as
non-root while being in  /usr/src/ with rsync:
Which, IIRC, isn't possible. A non-root doesn't have the permission to
download stuff to this dir, right? 

So the only chance I have to get the sources in there is to run rsync as
root: Which is ugly wrong if I learned my lessons well: You never even
try to access the net as root. Right?
Thanks in anticipation.

Best Regards,
Wolfgang
This is why you add yourself to the src group (which in the group that
owns /usr/src.  Then you untar in that directory as regular user and
then do something like this:
make menuconfig
fakeroot make-kpkg clean
fakeroot make-kpkg  kernel_image kernel_headers
cd ..
sudo dpkg -i *.deb
That way you only become root for the very last step.

-Roberto


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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Roberto Sanchez]

Magnus von Koeller wrote:
On Sunday 07 December 2003 18:06, Roberto Sanchez wrote:

I'm a little late in the thread, but I think I am having the same
problem.  Last night I compiled a vanilla 2.4.23 kernel on my Sid
workstation to then install it on my Woody server.  Before doing
the compile, I moved my /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point from gcc-3.3
to point to gcc-2.95.  However, when I installed the resulting
.deb, I got unresolved symbols in ass the modules.  dpkg asked if I
wanted to abort, which I did.


Well, this certainly seems to be the same situation. I can just tell 
you the same thing I said before. Try it and it'll most probably 
work. However, if nobody else tries it, it won't be possible to 
confirm this.

Do you mean to install the kernel and ignore the unresolved symbol
errors?  Then try booting the new kernel to see if it actually works?
-Roberto


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Re: Wvdial and mysterious /dev/ttyS0 permission change

[Roberto Sanchez]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Alexander Fitterling wrote:

Everyone.

Debian has some setting like this for my modem device

crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64  7. Jan 2002  /dev/ttyS0

I added all necessary users to group "dialout" at least to have them 
access our modem.

But when some users start wvdial and the line breaks if maximum idle 
time is reached wvdial still seems busy and still gets hold of 
/dev/ttyS0. After a user sends Ctrl+C the /dev/ttyS0 looks like this:

crw-r-1 root dialout4,  64  7. Jan 2002  /dev/ttyS0

... and no one can dial in again. I have to change this as root.

What actually does go wrong here? If one would use kppp the problem 
does occur.

Regards,
Alex


I hardly think it necessary to install the Mega-size KDE libs to use 
kppp, but what is the reason pon/poff won't do? Although admittedly that 
is no solution to your problem ;-)

Hugo.



I used to have this exact same problem on my machine (except with
/dev/ttyLT0, since it is a Lucent winmodem).  But I don't know that
there is a solution.  Especially since I think that kppp would need to
be suid root (not a good idea) to get past this problem.
-Roberto


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SOLVED. Re: HELP ... Compiling kernel fails with "cannot stat 'conf.vars'". Was: Re: Compiling 2.6: Cannot stat "conf.vars"

[Mariano Kamp]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 16:28, Mariano Kamp wrote:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:07, Mariano Kamp wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 December 2003 08:35, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> > > lör 2003-12-06 klockan 23.47 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > > > On Saturday 06 December 2003 23:10, Markku Kellberg wrote:
> > > > > lör 2003-12-06 klockan 18.25 skrev Mariano Kamp:
> > > > > >   [..] (copied by hand)
> > > > > > install -p -o root -g root -m 644 conf.vars
> > > > > > debian/tmp-image/usr/share/doc/
> > > > > > kernel-image-2.6.0-test9/conf.vars install: cannot stat
> > > > > > "conf.vars": No such file or directory [..]
> > > > >
> > > > > I get the same error compiling 2.4.22. I upgraded my unstable
> > > > > today.
> > > >
> > > > And was it working before?
> > >
> > > This is my first attempt to build the kernel from source. But i used
> > > the old config from my 2.4.21-4-k7. I followed the steps in "Creating
> > > custom kernels with Debian's kernel-package system".
> >
> > Mmh. In unstable came a new version of the kernel-package this night, but
> > that didn't help either..
> >
> > Anybody any ideas? It breaks compiles with 2.4 and 2.6.
>
> I filed a bug report:
>
> Hopefully it is a bug and I didn't waste the maintainers time.
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=223233
has been fixed in the latest release. It is neccessary though to delete the 
existing kernel source package (save .config) first, to re-get it and then 
everything works fine!

Mariano


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Q:No modconf in 2.6?

[Mariano Kamp]

Hi,

  I just installed 2.6 and to my surprise it came up nicely on first try. When 
trying to install modules though, modconf didn't show any? Is there another 
tool to be used.

  I've also seen this bug:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=192232

  Would that mean that there is no other way than modprobe to manage modules 
at the moment?

Bye,
Mariano


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Re: Playing "RealOne" clips

[Todd Pytel]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:38:23 -0800
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I'm not sure exactly what you mean by a "front end." Both of those
> > can be selected as "helper-applications" in Mozilla when the dialog
> > pops up.
> 
> Oh, no I meant from these:
> 
>   http://xinehq.de/index.php/releases
> 
> I was wondering if you (or anyone) had compared the different ones.
> gxine says it includes "mozilla plugin" -- if that means the xine will
> play inside the mozilla window vs. a separate window I'm not sure I
> care.

I haven't compared. I initially grabbed gxine specifically because it
offered the web plugin, and then found that I liked its simple,
stripped-down interface. I only use it for web stuff, though - for
full-length video I prefer mplayer.
 
> BTW -- I've been finding that quite a few web lately cause mozilla to 
> eat all cpu -- where I have to killall mozilla-bin to the machine
> back.

Could be a Mozilla thing - apart from one poorly behaved Flash page, I
haven't seen any problems with Firebird.

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Re: Playing "RealOne" clips

[Todd Pytel]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:41:30 -0800
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > > >   http://www.prairiehome.org/performances/20031129/
>
> Ok, I've installed mozilla-firebird and gxine from Sid and they play.
> Yet all the links play the same stream.  I'm not sure if that's a 
> problem on my end or on their server.

Interesting. Looks like the URLS specify different locations in the same
stream and gxine doesn't know how to deal with that and just starts from
the beginning. The "real" Realplayer works fine, though.

> I can't skip ahead or back in the stream, either.  IIRC, I used to be 
> able to do that on Windows with RealPlayer.  (Again, maybe that's an 
> issue with the server.)

Again, Realplayer does this correctly.

> BTW -- is there a way to download "rtsp://" type of files and then
> play them locally?

No idea. 

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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Magnus von Koeller]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 19:28, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> Do you mean to install the kernel and ignore the unresolved symbol
> errors?  Then try booting the new kernel to see if it actually
> works?

That's what I did in your exact situation and it worked out just fine. 
I'm not getting any errors now.

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ATI Radeon 9800 XL / XFree 4.3?

[Mariano Kamp]

Hi,

  I have an ATI Radeon 9800 XL card and want to use it with debian/unstable 
Kernel 2.6.

  From what my googling turned up so far I would need XFree 4.3? 

  In unstable I "only" found XFree 4.1.  On apt-get.org I found XFree 4.3 for 
woody. Would I be able to use it? Any other place I can go for?

Cheers,
Mariano


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Re: [OT] voting (was: Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications))

[Tom]

On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:57:49AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> 
> Anyway, I have definitely had dogs who had a sense of torture -- lock
> them outside for a few hours and they would whine, and whine, and whine
> about being tortured by not being allowed inside

I saw my dog get embaressed once.  And I saw the dog/mouse thing 
firsthand.  But there's plenty of other great animals stories not about 
violence: Octopuses communicate by flashing colors.  In "Trials of 
Life", they showed 3 octopuses swimming, the one one the left and the 
one in the middle were flashing in response to each other, but the 
middle one was only flashing on the left side.  The right side stayed 
solid white.

But now I guess 40 people will tell me I never saw that video, and David 
Attenborough never said "here's an example of Octopuses keeping secrets 
from each other", and he's really full of shit anyway, because the Apple 
II was invented in 1975.


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Why should non-root users have a password?

[Tom]

If I have a firewall, and I'm the only person who uses my computer, do I 
really have to have a password on my non-root account?

I know the answer is "yes" but -- why?  They can't do anything to my 
machine anyway, except use it.  And due to the firewall that never 
happens anyway.


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