[solved] Re: dpkg needing to allocate 700MB of memory?

[Cristian Gutierrez]

Cristian Gutierrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Hi all. I hope you can give me a clue about this:
>
>I got stuck trying to upgrade a package with apt, and then trying to do
>it with the downloaded package, with dpkg:
>
>/usr/bin/dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/wajig_1.0.2-1_all.deb (Reading
>database ... dpkg: error processing
>/var/cache/apt/archives/wajig_1.0.2-1_all.deb (--install): malloc
>failed (774715603 bytes): Cannot allocate memory Errors were

[...]
>related messages in debian-dpkg, and I'm starting to guess there could
>be something b0rked on my disk after today's local power outage...  :-(

Well, /var was corrupted, and /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list had amazing
filesizes and whatnot. fsck did its scary job and now I'm reinstalling
some vital packages.

/me starts saving for an UPS...

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Installing debian on new hardware.

[Elie De Brauwer]

Hello list, i was just wondering,

I have a new machine PIV 2.8ghz with hyperthreading, and a serial ata disk. 
What is the best way to launch a debian install on it ? Currently there's a 
gentoo with a custom kernel on it which i had to install from a custom chroot 
(since there were problems booting and detecting the disks). But gentoo 
doesn't 'feel' right and i want to turn the machine in a debian. Are there 
any recents boot disks,iso, ... available that are able to boot this machine, 
or how can i create my custom boot disks starting from the current kernel, or 
is it possible to launch the debian install from a chrooted environment ? 

greetings
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Fail to telnet Debian from Windows

[Emil Hägerlund]

Hi,

I'm trying to login trough telnet (Windows XP) to
my Debian box (sarge 2.4.22-1-k7). Without luck.
I have searched Debian and google.

What has to be done in Debian to allow telnet?

This I have done:
- apt-get install telnetd
- modified hosts.allow, added:
statd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
telnetd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0

(hosts.deny says ALL:ALL)

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Re: Xfree86 4.3

[Bruce Sass]

oopps

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Bruce Sass wrote:
> 2) explicitly tell apt you want to fetch from experimental, either:
> # apt-get -t experimental install ...
> or
> --- /etc/apt/sources.list ---

s/b /etc/apt/apt.conf

> APT::Default-Release "experimental";
> ---
> The sources.list method is a must if you use dselect, and you probably

s/b apt.conf method

> want to do an update/upgrade sans experimental immediately before
> updating with experimental so that you can put everything else in
> experimental on hold.
>
>
> - Bruce
>
>
>


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Re: Fail to telnet Debian from Windows

[Elie De Brauwer]

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 09:08, Emil Hägerlund wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to login trough telnet (Windows XP) to
> my Debian box (sarge 2.4.22-1-k7). Without luck.
> I have searched Debian and google.
>
> What has to be done in Debian to allow telnet?
>
> This I have done:
> - apt-get install telnetd
> - modified hosts.allow, added:
> statd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
> telnetd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
>
> (hosts.deny says ALL:ALL)
>

Is your telnetd started ?
Can you see an open port when you run netstat ?
What error do you get ?
Can you ping the machine ?
Can you telnet localhost from the debian machine ?

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Re: Fail to telnet Debian from Windows

[Lars Jensen]

Good, then things sounds like theyre working right!

You shouldn't be using telneyt. The telnet daemon on
your debian box is turned off by default. Install ssh, make sure sshd is
running, and ssh into the box instead - use putty as the XP ssh client.

Lars.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, =?iso-8859-1?B?RW1pbCBI5Gdlcmx1bmQ= ?= wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to login trough telnet (Windows XP) to
> my Debian box (sarge 2.4.22-1-k7). Without luck.
> I have searched Debian and google.
>
> What has to be done in Debian to allow telnet?
>
> This I have done:
> - apt-get install telnetd
> - modified hosts.allow, added:
> statd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
> telnetd: 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
>
> (hosts.deny says ALL:ALL)
>
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Re: which package contains 'ripquery' tool?

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Dasn Cups (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I wanna try the 'ripquery',but I don't know where it is.
> I searched somewhere, and found that this tool should be in the
> 'gated' package, but Debian has no 'gated' package.

Use  or apt-file to find out in which
package some file is. It seems you need the routed package.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: reiserfs

[Rohan Nicholls]

At Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:34:31 +0200,
Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 17:38, Rohan Nicholls wrote:
> > At Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:14:01 +0200,
> > Micha Feigin wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 18:03, Rohan Nicholls wrote:
> > > > At 27 Oct 2003 10:31:01 -0500,
> > > > Vivek Kumar wrote:
> > > 
> > > You need the kernel-package package, don't remember what others
> > > (libncurses or something like that for the graphic setup).
> > > You then do a make xconfig/menuconfig to config the kernel (It can be
> > > hard the first few times) and then to build the kernel (debian way):
> > > make-kpkg --revision= kernel-image
> > > You will then get a deb one directory up which you install using
> > > dpkg -i kernel-image-.deb
> > > Try looking in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz after you install
> > > the package.
> > 
> > Damn, that sounds really easy, people have mentioned on the list how
> > easy it is, and that proves it.  The linux kernel is surprisingly easy
> > to configure and compile, which is amazing considering its complexity.
> > 
> > Thanks for that.
> > 
> > rohan
> 
> Compiling the kernel is easy. The hard part is configuring it the first
> few times (untill you start understanding what the options are.)
> It does give you a few defaults. You can also install a stock kernel and
> copy /boot/config- to .config which will give you a starting
> point.
> The problem is that it is a serious overkill for a non-generic kernel.

It is one of those things you decide you will take an evening to do,
get a list of the hardware you need to support, and then go through
for a couple of hours reading the help information for options that
look promising.

That I think is the best advice I can give, as the biggest mistake to
make is thinking that the first time you can just zip through and have
it configured and compiled in an hour.

Points of interest, if you have an ide burner remember to include the
ide-scsi module, and there are whole groups of things you can skip.
Also, when including support for the file system your boot/root
partitions use, it cannot be a module, but must be directly compiled
into the kernel.  The mistake I made the first time was trying to
compile too many things in, now that I am used to it I compile
only what I need and anything that I don't understand that is selected
by default ie. stuff about the type of bus I have, and other
weirdness.  Another thing, one of the first options has to do with
"unstable" sections, make sure you say yes to this, otherwise it hides
all unstable modules, which in my case included my maestro3 soundcard,
this will save you a lot of "what the ? where is it?".:-D

Well that was probably confusing, but if not I hope it helps.
And the /etc/modules is where you list modules that you want loaded at
boot time, and I believe kept in memory the whole time.  Things like
soundcards, and network cards are good things to list here, although I
have found that even if you leave them out, the kernel will load them
automatically. 

Good luck,

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xterm title and xconsole

[Lukas Ruf]

Dear all,

I would like to run an xterm window without title-bar on the top of
the window.  I fiddled around for quite a while but have not managed
to arrive at a point that makes sense.  I run

ii  fvwm   2.4.16-2   F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.4
ii  xterm  4.2.1-12.1 X terminal emulator

on unstable.


The second issue I have no clue on how to configure is xconsole.
Explained briefly: I cannot manage to start it properly.  Is there
anything that I need to take care of in particular?  xconsole
complains always "Couldn't open console".

From the man page, I read:
The xconsole program  displays  messages  which  are  usually  sent  to
/dev/console.

uccellina:~!56> ls -l /dev/console
crw-r-1 root tty  5,   1 2003-10-29 08:56 /dev/console

Running as user ruf and being a member of the tty-group has not
helped.  What can I do???

Thanks for any help!

wbr,
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RE: Backup Package names currently installed

[Michael Dominok]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 16:51, Jochen Daum wrote:
> Thanks Haim!
> 
> > > I have a debian woody machine which I installed via FTP.
> > > 
> > > I would like to dump the names of all installed packages 
> > into a file,
> > > so that I can install them automatically with dpkg.
> > > 
> > > I tried
> > > 
> > > dpkg --get-selections
> > > 
> > > but the file doesn't contain any package versions? Can I 
> > include that
> > > as well?
> > apt-show-versions will dump all installed packages with 
> > version, but I don't
> > know how to import it. 
> >
> 
> At least I can try something with shell scripting or sed.

Hi (down 8-) ) there,

dpkg -l |grep --extended-regexp --regexp='^[uirph]c|^[uirph]i'|awk {'
print $2 "=" $3'} >/tmp/p_list

will get you a file containing all installed (?i) and configurational
(?c) packages.

cat /tmp/p_list|xargs -n 1 apt-get install -s

will apt-get those packages. after you removed the -s option, of course.

but i'm sure this can be done more elegantly.

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Re: chkrootkit found lkm trojan ?

[wil]

Apart from the LKM trojan warning i'm also getting:
Checking `scalper'... Warning: Possible Scalper Worm installed
Running SID(update every day)
False alarm aswell i presume?
Cheers

At 20:18 28-10-2003 -0500, Thomas R. Shemanske wrote:
Micha Feigin wrote:
I got the following output from chkrootkit but couldn't find any
explenation on what processes don't appear:
Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command
Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
I recently (two weeks) built a new box behind a firewall.  A friend gave 
me a lead that it was related to evolution.  I did a chkrootkit with a 
version a week or two old and no lkm errors.  Did a dist-upgrade (sid) 
tonight and generated exactly the same message.

I think there is no cause for concern.

TRS

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Re: cvs import version numbers

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 04:07:20PM -0600, Michael Kahle wrote:
> I just installed CVS on my Debian box.  I want to import a source tree
> of a project I have been working on into it.  I was able to do this,
> but it was imported with the version number of 1.1.1.1.  I would like
> to start over now and somehow re-import in with the version number of
> 0.1.  Could someone explain to me how I am supposed to do this?

Don't try. The file revision numbers chosen by CVS are meaningful to it,
and you should treat them as entirely independent from the version
numbers you assign to releases of your project. As far as file revision
numbers go, it's best by far just to let CVS get on with it and forget
that they have any meaning.

In particular, trying to change the length of branch version numbers
will lead you into a world of pain, and I suspect is probably not
possible.

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> Monique Y. Herman said on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:34:25AM -0700:
> > I put a comment in my sig requesting that I not receive CCs, and I
> > swear that the number of CCs I received actually increased!
> > 
> > What can I do that will convince habitual CCers not to CC me?  Are
> > there technical means beyond the Mail-Followup-To header?
> 
> Well, it depends.  For example, I have a procmail rule that filters
> duplicate messages.  If you send a message to the list and Cc: me, I
> will only get one message in my mailbox.  Therefor, I don't care, at
> all, if you Cc: me or not. In fact, I was honestly confused by people
> saying that this was a problem (I've had the dups filter installed for
> years, long before I got into Debian).
> 
> Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the
> technical ability to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I don't
> understand choose not to do so and instead depend upon the charity of
> the mailing list posters to cater to their reply whims.  This, to me,
> seems silly, but as I said, there's obviously something there that I'm
> not understanding.

Here's my reason for disliking this approach. If a mail is sent to both
me and a mailing list, it's very likely that the one sent directly to me
will get there first, since it doesn't incur list processing delays, and
therefore the direct copy is the one that the filter will usually keep.
Thus, such a duplicates filter does precisely the wrong thing: I want
all the list traffic to end up in the list mailbox, not in my inbox!

Furthermore, it is occasionally useful to provide the facility for
somebody to cc me when they particularly need to draw my attention to
something on a high-traffic list, such as a discussion on debian-devel
that strays onto talking about a bug in one of my packages. A duplicates
filter breaks the semantics I want for my e-mail address, in that it
could no longer be relied upon (modulo spam filtering, etc.) to reach my
inbox.

I thought about this in some depth back when I started having a problem
with people ccing me on list replies, and decided that filtering
duplicates wasn't suitable for me.

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Re: Getting HP to support Debian

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:15:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:13:24 -0500, 
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > So I would get to up in arms about it.
> 
> ..HP is sponsoring SCO "City to City Tour".  I say boycott HP 
> until they join us against SCO et al.  Same for Sun etc.   

HP is also sponsoring Debian in really quite a big way.

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re: The LAN interface on my server stops being able to seethe LAN intermittantly.

[Sam Burney]

I am having a network issue with my Debian server which I've never seen 
with any other Distro I've tried to use as my server box.  I'd really 
like to get it fixed because Debian is by FAR the best for this application.

What happens is that the gateway Intermittantly (Randomly, but at least
once every hour or so) stops being able to send data to local machines
(the ones its sharing Internet to).
Basically the client machines can ping the server itself fine, but if 
they try to ping anything OUTSIDE the network (on the Internet) they get:

   
   C:\> ping 192.231.203.132
   Pinging 192.231.203.132 with 32 bytes of data:

   Reply from 192.168.1.1 : Destination net unreachable.
   Reply from 192.168.1.1 : Destination net unreachable.
   Reply from 192.168.1.1 : Destination net unreachable.
   Reply from 192.168.1.1 : Destination net unreachable.



Also during this time if I try to ping FROM the server to the clients it
just gets no response.
I've tried now with three different LAN cards (Different brands and
chipsets) and it happens with all of them. The problem happens every
couple of hours and isnt affecting the connection to the Internet (the
server can ping stuff on the Internet via its PPPoE connection with no
problems whatsoever).  I've also tried upgrading to the latest kernel
version and it seemed to fix it for 24hours, but on reboot its started
again.
I'll try to provide ANY other info possible if more is needed.

I really hope I can get this issue sorted soon

Thanks,

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Re: xterm title and xconsole

[Nick Hastings]

Hi Lukas,

* Lukas Ruf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031029 18:18]:
> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to run an xterm window without title-bar on the top of
> the window.  I fiddled around for quite a while but have not managed
> to arrive at a point that makes sense.  I run
> 
> ii  fvwm   2.4.16-2   F(?) Virtual Window Manager, version 2.4
> ii  xterm  4.2.1-12.1 X terminal emulator

It's a long time since I've run fvwm, but a quick peak at an old
config file indicates that the following might work:

Style "xterm" NoHandles


Sorry don't know about your console problems.

Cheers,

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Re: debootstrap can't download console-tools-libs

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:15:23PM -0800, David Hampton wrote:
> I'm trying to install debian on my rh9 system. When I run debootstrap I
> get an error trying to download the console-tools-libs deb. Here's the
> complete output.

Are you sure you're using the right version of debootstrap? When
bootstrapping unstable, in general you need the version of debootstrap
in unstable; the one in stable won't be good enough.

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Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)

[Ken Caldwell]

> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:40:29PM +1100, Ken Caldwell wrote:
> > 
> > I was looking for a small word processor and spreadsheet to be used on
> > some old computers (Pentium 75 with 32MB RAM and 520MB HDD) and tried to
> > use Pathetic Writer which is part of siagoffice but it seems to crash.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> Do you really need wordprocessing combined with a spreadsheet within one
> single program?
> 
> If not, you may try 'slsc' as a not so bad spreadsheet in text mode;
> this may lead you to a better wordprocessor not overeating your system
> ressources - if not even to working with 'latex'.
Thanks Wilko I wil have a look at slsc.  Thanks also to Ron for
confirming the bug I guess I ought to file a bug report.

I found a workable selection of packages from sid which took up only 360MB of
disk space leaving 96MB for swap and 64MB for logging and the user's own files.

The selection included mozilla-firebird, sylpheed, abiword, gnumeric,
sodipodi and xpaint. Icewm provides a lightweight window manager.  The
output of dpkg --get-selections is attached.  I tried to create a
similar installation on another computer but the installation took up
425MB.  I don't have the original box here to find out where the
difference is.

cheers,

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Re: Spamassassin+evolution

[Simon Green]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I mentioned something a few days ago. You need to redirect your mail flow.
> normally you mail does this:
> pop3 server -> evo
> if you want to use spamasssin you need to make evo read mail from your
> local mail box.
> pop3 -> fetchmail -> /var/spool/user -> sendmail ->  procmail ->
> /home/user/mbox
> Not sure where to insert spam assin as I dont use it. But the idea is that
> evo would read from /home/user/mbox not directly from pop3 server.

A better way for Evolution users is to set up a filter, as discribed in
this URL:

http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=io8Wc_Wg&p_lva=&p_faqid=329&p_created=1039628948&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zcGFtJnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9NCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0yJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9zb3J0X2J5PWRmbHQmcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=

Works well for me.

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Re: Fail to telnet Debian from Windows

[Emil Hägerlund]

Thanks, I'll remove telnetd.

Enough just to apt-get install 'ssh'?
How to get sshd up and running?
Modify hosts.allow?

Thanks again!

/Emil

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tap0

[ew0hfx]

I have a problem with "tap0".
I must down my eth0 and then up.
Can anyone tell me please what package that i install create a tap0?
Or even better, how can i have my eth0 going up after tap0?
Thanks in advance.



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Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)

[Ken Caldwell]

Oops! I forgot the attachment.
abiword install
abiword-common  install
adduser install
apt install
apt-utils   install
aptitudeinstall
aspell-en   install
at  deinstall
base-config install
base-files  install
base-passwd install
bashinstall
bsdmainutilsinstall
bsdutilsinstall
console-common  install
console-datainstall
console-tools   install
coreutils   install
cpioinstall
cpp install
cpp-3.2 install
cpp-3.3 install
croninstall
cupsys  install
cupsys-bsd  install
cupsys-client   install
cupsys-driver-gimpprint install
debconf install
debconf-i18ninstall
debianutils install
defoma  install
dhcp-client install
diffinstall
dpkginstall
dselect install
e2fslibsinstall
e2fsprogs   install
ed  install
esound-common   install
eximdeinstall
fdutils install
fileinstall
fileutils   install
findutils   install
fontconfig  install
gcc-3.2-baseinstall
gcc-3.3-baseinstall
gconf2  install
gettext-baseinstall
gnome-mime-data install
gnumericinstall
gnupg   install
grepinstall
groff-base  install
grubinstall
gs-common   install
gs-esp  install
gsfonts install
gzipinstall
hermes1 install
hostnameinstall
icewm   install
icewm-commoninstall
ifupdowninstall
imlib-base  install
imlib1  install
infoinstall
initscripts install
ipchainsinstall
iptablesinstall
klogd   install
libacl1 install
libart-2.0-2install
libaspell15 install
libatk1.0-0 install
libattr1install
libaudiofile0   install
libblkid1   install
libbonobo2-0install
libbonobo2-common   install
libbonoboui2-0  install
libbonoboui2-common install
libbz2-1.0  install
libc6   install
libcap1 install
libcomerr2  install
libcompfaceg1   install
libconsole  install
libcupsimage2   

simple LDP accounting

[Hans Wilmer]

Hi,

how can I do some simple accounting with lpd? A number of clients is 
connected to our print-server via Samba to print to printers on the 
network. No printer filters are being used, files are just passed through.

It would suffice to have the number of bytes counted that are sent to each 
printer, just to get an idea of what´s going on and how much printing 
traffic is routed through the print-server.

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Re: which package contains 'ripquery' tool?

[Brian Potkin]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:38:22AM +0800, Dasn Cups wrote:

> Hi,there
> I wanna try the 'ripquery',but I don't know where it is.
> I searched somewhere, and found that this tool should be in the 'gated'
> package, but Debian has no 'gated' package.
> Many thanks!

Wherever the 'somewhere' was it cannot have been

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

Brian.



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testing: Can't su under ssh or screen. su attempts are not logged.

[Shaul Karl]

Package: login
Version: 1:4.0.3-12
Severity: normal

  With both login 1:4.0.3-11 and 1:4.0.3-12 I can't su from a screen or
ssh session. I believe my pam settings are reasonable. I can su from a
terminal.
  In addition, neither failed nor successful su attempts are logged in
/var/log/syslog even though I have 

SYSLOG_SU_ENAB  yes

in /etc/login.defs. This seems to be going on for quite some time now.

  Any hints?

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux calanit 2.6.0-test7.custom486.1 #1 Sun Oct 19 16:53:05 IST 2003 i486
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Versions of packages login depends on:
ii  libc6 2.3.2-7GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libpam-modules0.76-14Pluggable Authentication Modules f
ii  libpam-runtime0.76-14Runtime support for the PAM librar
ii  libpam0g  0.76-14Pluggable Authentication Modules l

-- no debconf information
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Re: which package contains 'ripquery' tool?

[Dasn Cups]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 09:37:39AM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Dasn Cups (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> 
> > I wanna try the 'ripquery',but I don't know where it is.
> > I searched somewhere, and found that this tool should be in the
> > 'gated' package, but Debian has no 'gated' package.
> 
> Use  or apt-file to find out in which
> package some file is. It seems you need the routed package.
> 
> best regards
> Andreas Janssen
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Re: can't set hdparm -d1 and correct kernel config

[Ron Jr]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 20:34, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 03:32 pm, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > i have 2 matrox hd disks and whenever i want to set the dma to 1 i
> > get this error: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> > The first is a 40 Gb Matrox IDE and the second a 120 GB Matrox IDE.
> > They are recent disks (< 1 year). My motherboard is abit b6, intel
> > 440bx chipset PIIX4 IDE. lspci reports that it's a intel 440bx
> > chipset (82443 BX/ 82371 EB)
> >
> > A while ago i recompiled the kernel for LVM support and i think i
> > might have excluded something that the kernel needs to set the dma.
> > What kernel options do i need to have set in order to allow dma=1?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Benedict
> 
> >>Use this command to see what kernel options there are and what is 
> >>selected in your kernel config file located in  /boot.
> >>'cat /boot/config- |grep DMA' 
> >>- -- 
> >>Greg Madden
> 
> I did this and the only options that were set are
> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
> All the others are specified as "is not set"
> So it seems as if dma is allowed here.

Try also to grep for BLK_DEV.  I think, in your case, it would be
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX.

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Re: Installing debian on new hardware.

[Ron Jr]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 02:18, Elie De Brauwer wrote:
> Hello list, i was just wondering,
> 
> I have a new machine PIV 2.8ghz with hyperthreading, and a serial ata disk. 
> What is the best way to launch a debian install on it ? Currently there's a 
> gentoo with a custom kernel on it which i had to install from a custom chroot 
> (since there were problems booting and detecting the disks). But gentoo 
> doesn't 'feel' right and i want to turn the machine in a debian. Are there 
> any recents boot disks,iso, ... available that are able to boot this machine, 
> or how can i create my custom boot disks starting from the current kernel, or 
> is it possible to launch the debian install from a chrooted environment ? 

Is it only SATA, or also PATA?

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Base files for Debian 3.0

[David Goodenough]

All the instructions I could find through Google for doing a chroot install of
Debian point me at at base2_2.tgz on archive.debian.org.  This is a 2.2 
install, rather than a 3.0.

Doing a google search on base3_0.tgz leads to a few messages about it no
longer produced.

What is the procedure for doing a 3.0 chroot install, and which base
TAR file (or equivalent) do I need and where do I get it from?

Thanks in advance

David


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Re: xterm title and xconsole

[Lukas Ruf]

Jaume & Nick, thanks!

> JG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-29 11:01]:
>
> Add a line like
>
> Style "XTerm"  NoTitle
>
> to your ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc . You can find examples of .fvwm2rc files

if I corretyl understand, this would lead to all xterm being started
without title.  However, I would like to have only specific xterm
windows being started without title.  Thus, if I correctly understand
the manpage of xterm, I would need to start xterm with the -name
option and define a line in my .fvwm2rc accordingly, right?

From man:
 -name name
 This   option   specifies  the  application  name  under  which
 resources are to be obtained,  rather  than  the  default  exe-
 cutable  file  name.   Name  should  not contain ``.'' or ``*''
 characters.

but isn't there a way to start xterm from the command line?
Sorry if I was no precise enough before.

Thanks!

wbr,
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xkbdcomp reports mysterious error

[lorian]

When running X, I get the following error message from the server:

  The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
  > Error:No Symbols named "[EMAIL PROTECTED]@" in the include file "de"
  >   Exiting
  >   Abandoning symbols file "default"
  Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server

This is quite plausible, since although the right keyboard layout is
chosen in XF86Config ("pc104" and "de"), two keys do not work as
supposed, namely AltGr and Bksp, which are interpreted as Alt_R and
Delete, respectively (reported by xev).

Now although I'm not even sure whether Debian uses xmodmap or xkb,
this error message clearly seems to hint that it uses the latter, and
that the error is the reason of the problem.

Can anybody tell me what it means? Does the symbol xkbdcomp looks for
make sense, or is something seriously broken?


Thanks for any help!

Florian


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Re: can't set hdparm -d1 and correct kernel config

[Benedict Verheyen]

> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 18:14, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > i have 2 matrox hd disks and whenever i want to set the dma to 1 i get this error:
> > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> > The first is a 40 Gb Matrox IDE and the second a 120 GB Matrox IDE.
> > They are recent disks (< 1 year). My motherboard is abit b6, intel 440bx chipset 
> > PIIX4 IDE. lspci reports that it's a intel 440bx chipset (82443 BX/ 82371 EB)
> > 
> > A while ago i recompiled the kernel for LVM support and i think i might have 
> > excluded something that the kernel needs to set the dma.
> > What kernel options do i need to have set in order to allow dma=1?
> 
> Is your kernel configured for the 440BX chipset?
> 
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I looked in my kernel config file but i can't seem to find something
related to the intel 440bx chipset?
What would i be looking for to determine if my kernel has support
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Re: can't set hdparm -d1 and correct kernel config

[Benedict Verheyen]

> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > i have 2 matrox hd disks and whenever i want to set the dma to 1 i
> > > get this error: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> > > The first is a 40 Gb Matrox IDE and the second a 120 GB Matrox IDE.
> > > They are recent disks (< 1 year). My motherboard is abit b6, intel
> > > 440bx chipset PIIX4 IDE. lspci reports that it's a intel 440bx
> > > chipset (82443 BX/ 82371 EB)
> > >
> > > A while ago i recompiled the kernel for LVM support and i think i
> > > might have excluded something that the kernel needs to set the dma.
> > > What kernel options do i need to have set in order to allow dma=1?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Benedict
> > 
> > >>Use this command to see what kernel options there are and what is 
> > >>selected in your kernel config file located in  /boot.
> > >>'cat /boot/config- |grep DMA' 
> > >>- -- 
> > >>Greg Madden
> > 
> > I did this and the only options that were set are
> > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
> > CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
> > All the others are specified as "is not set"
> > So it seems as if dma is allowed here.
> 
> Try also to grep for BLK_DEV.  I think, in your case, it would be
> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX.

Ha! that might be it! cat /boot/config |grep CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX
returns # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX is not set

I will try to recompile a new kernel with this option set.

Thanks
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Re: Spamassassin+evolution

[kmark+debian]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Simon Green wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 09:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I mentioned something a few days ago. You need to redirect your mail flow.
> > normally you mail does this:
> > pop3 server -> evo
> > if you want to use spamasssin you need to make evo read mail from your
> > local mail box.
> > pop3 -> fetchmail -> /var/spool/user -> sendmail ->  procmail ->
> > /home/user/mbox
> > Not sure where to insert spam assin as I dont use it. But the idea is that
> > evo would read from /home/user/mbox not directly from pop3 server.
>
> A better way for Evolution users is to set up a filter, as discribed in
> this URL:
>
> http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=io8Wc_Wg&p_lva=&p_faqid=329&p_created=1039628948&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zcGFtJnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9NCZwX3Byb2RfbHZsMT0yJnBfcHJvZF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfY2F0X2x2bDE9fmFueX4mcF9zb3J0X2J5PWRmbHQmcF9wYWdlPTE*&p_li=
>
> Works well for me.
Hi Simon,
I tried something like this, but once Evo supported local mboxes, I
figured why not just do filtering the linux way and leave the reading to
evo. In both cases you need to install some exteral program to check
the mail anyway, why bother  evo with more work.
-Kev


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Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)

[kmark+debian]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Ken Caldwell wrote:

> 
>
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:40:29PM +1100, Ken Caldwell wrote:
> > >
> > > I was looking for a small word processor and spreadsheet to be used on
> > > some old computers (Pentium 75 with 32MB RAM and 520MB HDD) and tried to
> > > use Pathetic Writer which is part of siagoffice but it seems to crash.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > Do you really need wordprocessing combined with a spreadsheet within one
> > single program?
> >
> > If not, you may try 'slsc' as a not so bad spreadsheet in text mode;
> > this may lead you to a better wordprocessor not overeating your system
> > ressources - if not even to working with 'latex'.
> Thanks Wilko I wil have a look at slsc.  Thanks also to Ron for
> confirming the bug I guess I ought to file a bug report.
>
> I found a workable selection of packages from sid which took up only 360MB of
> disk space leaving 96MB for swap and 64MB for logging and the user's own files.
>
> The selection included mozilla-firebird, sylpheed, abiword, gnumeric,
> sodipodi and xpaint. Icewm provides a lightweight window manager.  The
> output of dpkg --get-selections is attached.  I tried to create a
> similar installation on another computer but the installation took up
> 425MB.  I don't have the original box here to find out where the
> difference is.
>
> cheers,
>
> Ken
>
Hi Ken and Wilko,
have you looked at 'morphix lite gui' or the mini knoppix distro?
only 200 mb and has the same basic feature.
-Kev


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Re: Base files for Debian 3.0

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:31:19AM +, David Goodenough wrote:
> All the instructions I could find through Google for doing a chroot
> install of Debian point me at at base2_2.tgz on archive.debian.org.
> This is a 2.2 install, rather than a 3.0.
> 
> Doing a google search on base3_0.tgz leads to a few messages about it
> no longer produced.
> 
> What is the procedure for doing a 3.0 chroot install, and which base
> TAR file (or equivalent) do I need and where do I get it from?

See:

  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot

The debootstrap program replaced static base tarballs in Debian 3.0.

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Re: please help, lost my partition

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 06:52:15PM +0100, LeVA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I lost my partition. One of my most important ones...

Recover it from your backups.

Don't have backups?  Start keeping 'em with your new disk.

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html


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Re: Getting HP to support Debian

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:04:03 +, 
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:15:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:13:24 -0500, 
> > Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > So I would get to up in arms about it.
> > 
> > ..HP is sponsoring SCO "City to City Tour".  I say boycott HP 
> > until they join us against SCO et al.  Same for Sun etc.   
> 
> HP is also sponsoring Debian in really quite a big way.
 
..debian is also hurd and freebsd, "no conflict there, post-linux".

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Re: OOOOLLLLDDDD video card

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 01:04:51PM -0600, Larry W. Irwin Sr. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>   I have to use a really old Phoenix S3 Trio32/64 PCI card, running
> Debian Woody, no mixed stable/testing/unstable. Is there a way to get
> Woody's xserver to work with this fossil?

The XF86v3 svga driver should work as a last gasp.

I've got an S3 ViRGE/VX which runs under XF86v4.  lspci gives it as:

00:13.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c988 [ViRGE/VX] (rev 02)


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Re: Fail to telnet Debian from Windows

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:05:26AM +0100, =?iso-8859-1?B?RW1pbCBI5Gdlcmx1bmQ= ?= 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Thanks, I'll remove telnetd.
> 
> Enough just to apt-get install 'ssh'?

Yes.

> How to get sshd up and running?

It should start automatically.  Defaults are sane.

> Modify hosts.allow?

No.



If it wasn't already mentioned:  you'll want the PuTTY ssh client for
legacy MS Windows.


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Re: Getting HP to support Debian

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:44:10 -0500, 
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 18:15, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > ..HP is sponsoring SCO "City to City Tour".  I say boycott HP 
> > until they join us against SCO et al.  Same for Sun etc.   
> 
> You should understand the "City to City" Folk are currently extremely
> embarrassed by the present High and mighty muckity mucks...

..that I can believe.  ;-)

> They won't even discuss it openly as these people just want to show
> you the updated products that have included GPL'd software.
> 
> These people really have zero ability to make a change up top. Nor
> should they have to explain the problems the muckities are generating.
> For these people they have a job they enjoy and really want to do the
> right thing. You want... I should boycott your company/institution  if
> the high and mighties started to hugely support MicroSoft Openly and
> denounce the GPL the same way?

..being the top shot, I would find that fair.   ;-) 

> Or would you rather want, as an Employee, to be judged for the product
> or service you provide regardless of your idiotic CEO/CFO/President.

..in my case, those would be no different.  ;-)

> I say give these people tasked with a very Neat task, being thrust
> into a terrible situation a break.

..a full scale boycott does.

> Now, if Darl shows up... gimme the tomatoes...

..sissy.  ;-)   Turn base ball bats into tooth picks.  

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Re: Fonts to big in gtk1 programs

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on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:06:44AM +0100, Viktor Rosenfeld ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For a long while now fonts in gtk1 applications (gimp, gnucash, ...) are
> broken.  Basically they are too large.  I've looked on google and setup
> some defoma and fontconfig stuff and while the appearance is better now,
> they are still the same size.
> 
> I'm running up-to-date unstable on powerpc.  I'm generally using KDE and
> have no problems with fonts there.  Also gnome2 applications (gaim,
> mozilla) work fine (thanks to gnome-control-center).

~/.gtkrc.  Copy an appropriate local from /etc/gtk and modify to suite.

I find I tend to bump fonts down 10-20 points for best results.


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Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:40:29PM +1100, Ken Caldwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Are there any subscribers to this list that use siagoffice?
> I was looking for a small word processor and spreadsheet to be used on
> some old computers (Pentium 75 with 32MB RAM and 520MB HDD) and tried to
> use Pathetic Writer which is part of siagoffice but it seems to crash.
> 
> For example if you select some text and then click on the cut button the
> application dissappears from the screen. This seems to be the case for
> both the stable and unstable distributions.

There are a number of bugs (check BTS) fixed in current unstable.  I had
the segfault on startup for a while, but not the one you mention (though
I don't use pw much myself).

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gnome sound events NOT working

[josep]

Hi,

I've woody + kernel 2.4.18 + alsa 0.9.

Alsa drivers work fine, but gnome sound events do not work. I've esound
package installed and "sound server+sound events" actived in the gnome
control center.

What is missing?

Do I need some other packages?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:57:26 -0800, 
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> > You have a point.  However, I usually make an exception in the case
> > of newbies becuase they may not receive list messages (because of
> > Yahoo! or Hotmail spam filtering for such accounts).  I know I had
> > this problem when I first subscribed to the list.  But otherwise, I
> > tend to agree with the list policy that CCing someone that doesn't
> > explicitly request it is impolite.
> 
>  This is true and I can see where that would come in handy.
 
..should'nt this be a _prominent_ FAQAA?

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RE: HOWTO make a server

[John M. Purser]

Good Morning,

My Debian box provides DNS, Firewall, and NAT for my home network like I
think you're planning to do.  The HOWTO's are a great place to start but you
need to read (or at least scan) the BIND, IPTABLES, etc. documentation as
well and don't forget the README.Debian.  Many of the HOWTO's were written
for earlier versions of Linux or for different distributions and exactly
where to put/find the files can be tricky.

My first step when I'm looking for file xyz is to run updatedb and then try
"locate xyz".  If that doesn't work I dig through the program documentation
to see where it should go.  Debian-user archive is another good place to
dig.  Sometimes you fall back on your best guess as to where the Debian way
would put it.  For instance under RedHat I put my firewall script in
rc.local as I saw in a HOWTO.  In Debian there aint no rc.local so I moved
the script to /etc/network and invoke it from the correct interface with the
up switch.

I hope this helps.

John Purser



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To: di
Subject: HOWTO make a server


Hi.
I'm reading a lots of HOWTO's, I want too put a linux box that sharing
internet and act as DNS server for a private network.
But, all the things that appears in those HOWTO doesn't match the files
in Debian's distribution.
Where can I find HOWTO's for networking over DEBIAN?
Thanks a lot :)
Leandro


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Re: Backup Package names currently installed

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try apt-get install [-s] 'cat p_list'

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Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:18:47 +0100, 
Wilko Fokken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 04:52:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:37, Tom wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
>  
> These ancient languages were known for their terse, concentrated legal
> terminology: "Frisia non cantat, Frisia ratiocinatur" (Frisia doesn't
> sing, Frisia counsels). The other linguistic root, the Latin language,
> was equally well adjusted to legislation; the "Roman Law" is still
> being studied by law-students.
> 
> (As both linguistic ancestors proved inclined rather to legal
> terminologies, I wonder how far the English musical culture might be
> based on Celtic influences.)
> 
> Legal terminology requires defining rock solid linguistic terms in
> order to stay firm to legal disputing. On the other hand, legal terms
> must be flexible in a certain way, to be able to cover individual
> cases through generalized rules. In legislation, the real, practical
> social life is condensed to an abstract model - quite similar to
> computing, I guess.
>
> Another benefit to the English language may have been the long
> seafaring history of the British nation. Sailing in rough weather
> condtions tends to shorten clumsy words (the big ones get lost), an
> effect one can find in the Dutch language, too.
> 

..interesting.  Which legal tradition named THingvellir, Iceland?  ;-)

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Re: Outgoing SMTP ports

[BruceG]

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 23:18, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 at 02:06 GMT, BruceG penned:
> > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 20:36, James W. Thompson, II wrote:
> >> When sendmail sends mail destined for outside my server what port is
> >> it coming from and what port is it going to? 25? And does it use TCP,
> >> UDP or both?
> >> 
> >> -Dubbs
> >> 
> > I believe sendmail uses TCP port 25, and ipopd uses TCP port 110.
> > Least that's how I configured my Linksys router for port-forwarding
> > and it's working.
> > 
> 
> For incoming, right?  For outgoing, you shouldn't need a special router
> rule.
> 

You're right. The router will not block outbound connections over www,
pop and smtp.(at least I don't have it configured to do so!). But it
will block inbound connections - so you need to set up port forwarding
to allow selected ports in and to NAT them to an inside server. 

But - reading the original note, he was asking about outbound ports, so
my post has been completely (um, er, ahem) off topic.

(I noticed when replying using Ximian Evolution, it does the to: as the
original poster. If I reply to all, it cc:'s the debian-user list. I had
to delete the to: and move debian-users from cc: to to:  Wonder why that
is?)


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Re: DevFS mounting problems (was: Re: Think I need ttyN where N>8)

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 17:30, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> Yes, it's there! :-)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> grep devfs /proc/mounts
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>
> > If devfs is in /proc/filesystems,
>
> Yes, it is there too.

Just to let you all know I have solved this problem... Usually, I'm 
thinking "don't go further unless you're sure the stuff you're doing 
right now works" when I'm following HOWTOs. In this case, it was 
obviously not a good approach: This part worked once I added dumbcon=2 
to my kernel parameters. It did in fact create the devices, allthough 
mount is unaware of it... 

Now, I can start two different X servers at the same time and have them 
respond to two different keyboards and mice. Still to do is to get kdm 
to do that for me... That doesn't work yet. 

Thanks to all who responded!

Cheers,

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Re: PDFs on the fly with PHP

[Roberto Sanchez]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Monique Y. Herman wrote:


On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 21:26 GMT, Emma Jane Hogbin penned:

Hi everyone,

I'm working on a PHP web site that needs to generate PDFs on the fly.
I don't want to use PDFlib as the code is totally open source and I
don't want people to have to deal with the licensing on PDFLib.
Not to pick nits, but is the problem that it's opensource, or rather
that it's GPL (or some other license with restrictions)?  The BSD
license is, I believe, an opensource license without restriction.

there is also the LGPL which is informailly called the library GPL. It
allows you to use a library in a closed source app. This is in contrast to
a GPL library that would only be allowed in a GPL'd app.
-Kev

The problem is *not* the GPL, as Emma is planning to release her project
under it, but the fact that PDFlib requires a license fee for commercial
use (and is otherwise restricted, thus making it non-free).  She doesn't
the user of her product to be required to deal with licensing PDFlib, so
she is looking for alternatives that *are* compatibe with the GPL.
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Re: gnome crash, fontconfig

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 09:10:38PM +, Eliot Stock said
> Hello,
> 
> Just installed X and gnome on sarge.
> 
> When I startx, I get as far as a  split second of the gnome
> logo, then X crashes and my term is all screwed up and I have
> to reboot.
> 
> After rebooting I find an .xsession_errors file in my home
> dir (running gnome as root currently) as follows:
> 
> No fonts found; this probably means that the fontconfig
> library is not correctly configured...
> 
> So I
> 
> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
> 
> and enabled sub-pixel text rendering (got an LCD), and disabled
>  bitmapped fonts. Same thing: the .xsession_errors file is
> recreated.
> 
> Can't see any decent output from gnome in /var/log - can anyone
> tell me what's going on or how I'm supposed to find out?

Try removing gsfonts-other?  It was segfaulting fontconfigified apps
last week.

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Re: dpkg needing to allocate 700MB of memory?

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 09:14:52PM -0300, Cristian Gutierrez said
> I even tried downloading 1.10.18 (.17 was on my system, an unstable one,
> BTW), unpacking it and installing it "by hand", but the result was the
> same. Yeah, nasty thing to do.. but I'm freaking out, you know? ;-)

Does a previous version work?  I'm using 1.10.15 with no problems at
all.

> Is anybody else going through this? I didn't find any bugreports nor
> related messages in debian-dpkg, and I'm starting to guess there could
> be something b0rked on my disk after today's local power outage...  :-(

Check the package for corrupt files, maybe?  I'd suggest using
"debsums", but the dpkg package doesn't include md5sums.  I can give you
this, however:

6fa24e23b306cc11fc399f7fa467c0d0  /usr/bin/dpkg

That's 1.10.15 on i386.  I do have prelink installed, bug I reinstalled
the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ just before checksumming and it
was identical.

That said, if you reinstalled dpkg and it's still messed up, it's
unlikely to be a problem with dpkg itself.  If you can get debsums
installed, maybe do a check of all the packages on your system?  If
libc6 or such gets broken, you'll get lots of weird problems.

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Re: aptitude - finding broken packages

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:38:41PM +0100, Richard Lyons said
> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 14:18, JG wrote:
> 
> > > Is there a quicker way of locating the broken packages
> [...]
> > /~b
> >
> > will bring you to the next broken package.
> >
> > l~b
> >
> > will narrow the packages list to only those that are broken.
> [...]
> 
> Thanks.  I really haven't got used to this apt system yet.  The two broken 
> ones today are Mozilla, which I use, so I suppose I just wait until that is 
> not broken before doing anything.  Trying to hold the existing mozilla is 
> apparently not an option, and removing the new one from the list seems to 
> break something else and leave me with no mozilla.  Not that I really know 
> what I'm doing.

Try going into the "expanded" details thingy for mozilla with 
and go down to the bottom where available versions are listed.  Pick a
non-broken one, and hit "i" (for install) on it, then if aptitude lets
you keep it, "h" to put it on hold.

> I installed from Knoppix2.1 and have now got some sort of hybrid woody/
> testing/unstable, if I understand correctly.  The sources list is huge.  Is 
> there a way of doing a 'what-if' to see what would happen if I settled on 
> unstable throughout - with the option to just go back to where I am now?
> Would that allow me to have a shorter sources list shorter and make updates 
> simpler?  Is is a good idea?  I am scared of tinkering and messing the whole 
> thing up.

Make a backup of your sources.list, and comment out all the non-unstable
ones, then run "apt-get update" (or hit "u" in aptitude).  If you now go
to aptitude's "what I'm about to do"-screen with a single "g", then
aptitude will show you what will happen.  Red means broken, green is
to-be-installed, grey is on-hold, cyan is to-be-upgraded and purple is
to-be-removed.  You can then put things on hold, and decide what to
install/remove fairly easily.

If you decide it was a bad idea, restore your original sources.list and
rerun "apt-get update".

> The knoppix install got me out of a hole, but I know I have a mountain of 
> unneccessary packages installed.  I uninstall the odd one I chance on that I 
> definitely do not need, and the odd one that fails to configure correctly at 
> bootup because it is for nonexistent hardware or whatever.  But I suppose the 
> only way to get a lean system would be start with nothing and install as 
> needed.  Which would cost me time I don't have.

You can certainly strip it down with tools like "deborphan" and
"debfoster".  aptitude is quite good at this, too: if you install
package foo, which depends on bar which you don't have installed, then
aptitude will remember that and purge bar when you remove foo.  Assuming
nothing else Depends on bar.

It all sounds kinda complicated, but if you just use aptitude for
package management, then it all Just Works.

Another tip that works pretty well with unstable is to just check over
the upgraded packages list in aptitude (the cyan ones) before you do
your (daily|weekly|monthly) upgrade and remove stuff you don't use
anymore.  Very little effort, spread over a long time period.

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Re: which one is better??

[Rob Weir]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:19:59AM +0100, Marco Bagni said
> Personally I prefer the nfs-user-server for this flexibility which cannot 
> be ignored if you have quite a considerable number of partitions.

Note that the user space server does not implement proper locking.

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Re: Installing debian on new hardware.

[Roberto Sanchez]

Elie De Brauwer wrote:
Hello list, i was just wondering,

I have a new machine PIV 2.8ghz with hyperthreading, and a serial ata disk. 
What is the best way to launch a debian install on it ? Currently there's a 
gentoo with a custom kernel on it which i had to install from a custom chroot 
(since there were problems booting and detecting the disks). But gentoo 
doesn't 'feel' right and i want to turn the machine in a debian. Are there 
any recents boot disks,iso, ... available that are able to boot this machine, 
or how can i create my custom boot disks starting from the current kernel, or 
is it possible to launch the debian install from a chrooted environment ? 

greetings
Elie De Brauwer 

Boot Knoppix, do a chroot install.  Search the list archives for more
detail, as this topic is discussed at least every two weeks.
Enjoy :-)

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Re: 2.6.0-test8 PCI (?) troubles

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

Hi!

Just a small follow-up... 

I'm now getting very close to achieving what I set out to do with a 2.4 
kernel with Backstreet Ruby patches (now, I only need to manage the X 
servers intelligently). So, I'm going to put my 2.6 project on ice for 
the time being... :-) However, I will return to 2.6 once I get more 
time, since it would be good to be able to use the framebuffers. So, 
I'll keep your advices with me when that happens. 

On Monday 27 October 2003 20:20, Andre Kalus wrote:
> If something went wrong with framebuffers: do not use it. In general
> if nobody has a better idea (see post of pigeon) I would suggest the
> following:
>
> Try to build a vanilla kernel with only those features you will
> need to boot:
> - Disable framebuffers (from kernel config, no vga parameter on boot
> prompt)
> - Disable ACPI, APM
> - Disable APIC
> - Disabe USB
> - Disable support for "special devices" like TV cards, ISDN cards
> etc. (searching for them might (?) confuse the PCI bus)

OK, obviously a good idea!

> Make sure you backup your old config so you know which options you
> wanted to set.

Yup, always do! 

> > However, I built these two kernels very differently. The test8-ruby
> > I've built with make-kpkg, and starting out with Andreas' config
> > for his kernel. With the test9, I've used make bzImage and friends,
> > and I started out with my own 2.4.22 kernel config.
>
> It should not make a difference but I always use the "make clean
> bzImage" for a new kernel. make-kpkg should not do anything but ...

Yup.


> >> Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD
> >> FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
> >> POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
> >> NET: Registered protocol family 16
> >> PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb51, last bus=1
> >
> > OK, so this is where it stops with ACPI and APIC enabled. But I
> > can't see anything suspecious...
>
> OK, might be what Pigeon wrote: your BIOS uses an invalid APIC ->
> disable it.

Yeah, but I couldn't find anything about APIC in my BIOS set-up... Any 
further pointers where I may find it...?

Best,

Kjetil
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Re: Outgoing SMTP ports

[James W. Thompson, II]

My problem seems to persist, let me delve more into it and see if y'all 
can help.

My firewall allows all incoming and outgoing connections that are 
ESTABLISHED or RELATED
My firewall allows all incoming connections on port 25 that are NEW 
(TCP)
My firewall allows all outgoing connections to port 25 that are NEW 
(TCP)

Is there some other rule that I need to set because outgoing mail is 
just not going, I have my 3 nameservers setup in /etc/resolve.conf and 
can dig all the domains which mail should be going to so DNS doesn't 
seem to be the problem. Any suggestions?

-James

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Postfix and spamassassin not working properly

[Willem-Jan Meijer]

After reading an article in the dutch "linux magazine" I read how to use
spamassassin with postfix on a Debian 3.0r1 box. I have done excactly what I
read in the arcticle and checked once and twice. But when I send a
test-mail, messages are received w/o content and the to: address has changed
in undisclosed-recipients.

What's going wrong ?

When I have to post config files, tell it and i'll post them

HTH,

-WJ


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Re: Outgoing SMTP ports

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:23, BruceG wrote:
[...]
> (I noticed when replying using Ximian Evolution, it does the to: as the
> original poster. If I reply to all, it cc:'s the debian-user list. I had
> to delete the to: and move debian-users from cc: to to:  Wonder why that
> is?)
It's because the headers as sent by lists.debian.org to the list include 
   From: BruceG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

See the lengthy thread "netiquette: CCing on lists" on this list.

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Re: aptitude - finding broken packages

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 09:40, Rob Weir wrote:
[...lots of good advice snipped...]

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Re: PDFs on the fly with PHP

[John Hasler]

Roberto Sanchez writes:
> She doesn't the user of her product to be required to deal with licensing
> PDFlib, so she is looking for alternatives that *are* compatibe with the
> GPL.

However, she wrote "I don't want to use PDFlib as the code is totally open
source..."  leading me and some others to think she meant that she was
saying that PDFlib was Open Source.
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Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:47:21PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:40:29PM +1100, Ken Caldwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Are there any subscribers to this list that use siagoffice?
> > I was looking for a small word processor and spreadsheet to be used on
> > some old computers (Pentium 75 with 32MB RAM and 520MB HDD) and tried to
> > use Pathetic Writer which is part of siagoffice but it seems to crash.
> > 
> > For example if you select some text and then click on the cut button the
> > application dissappears from the screen. This seems to be the case for
> > both the stable and unstable distributions.
> 
> There are a number of bugs (check BTS) fixed in current unstable.

siag has been removed from unstable because nobody was willing to
maintain it properly.

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Re: Getting HP to support Debian

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:43:52PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:04:03 +, 
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:15:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > ..HP is sponsoring SCO "City to City Tour".  I say boycott HP 
> > > until they join us against SCO et al.  Same for Sun etc.   
> > 
> > HP is also sponsoring Debian in really quite a big way.
>  
> ..debian is also hurd and freebsd, "no conflict there, post-linux".

That's a nice catchphrase, but it's not realistic at the moment and
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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[moseley]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> > Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the
> > technical ability to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I don't
> > understand choose not to do so and instead depend upon the charity of
> > the mailing list posters to cater to their reply whims.  This, to me,
> > seems silly, but as I said, there's obviously something there that I'm
> > not understanding.
> 
> Here's my reason for disliking this approach. If a mail is sent to both
> me and a mailing list, it's very likely that the one sent directly to me
> will get there first, since it doesn't incur list processing delays, and
> therefore the direct copy is the one that the filter will usually keep.
> Thus, such a duplicates filter does precisely the wrong thing: I want
> all the list traffic to end up in the list mailbox, not in my inbox!

Oh, interesting.  Not only do I have duplicate filters, my filters still 
see that it was for debian-user and place it in the correct mail box.  
Unless someone bcc's debian-user.

So I can see if you had setup your own "mail filter system" based on
mail only coming from the list server then CC's would break your setup.

I guess I always expected to never be able to control what people send
me (regardless of list policy) and thus think it's my problem dealing
with it.  Especially on a list like debian-user where there's no
subscription required, there's lots of newbie posters, and people come
and go often.  I run a few small, stable lists (a hundred or so people
each) and even there it's impossible to get people to follow the list
rules. So the idea of trying to convince everyone why my ideas are best
for everyone else, I just deal with in on my own machines where I
actually have some control.

Is CC'ing at epidemic levels on debian-user?  I find off topic threads 
more of a problem. ;)

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bit of help for new debian user....

[Matt Eberhardt]

Hey list,

I appear to have broken something with my Debian Unstable setup.
I noticed the problem when trying to ssh out of the box to a remote box. I
get a:
"Network is unreachable"
first thought the problem was ssh.. so I tried to ssh to localhost, whiched
worked fine.

Then I tried pinging an external host, every ping fails.

Next I tried "lynx yahoo.com" and it fails with a "Unable to connect to
remote host."

So now I'm thinking network problem... I can ssh out from a windows box, so
I know that it is not being blocked at the router level.
I can do "host yahoo.com" and get it to resolve correctly. I can ping
internal addresses. I can ssh into the box from a windows box. I can get
webpages from internal addresses.
But I can't get to anything outside our network anytime i try, i get a
host unreachable.

Then I thought perhaps iptables was blocking it, so I ran
"/etc/init.d/iptables clear" but that did not fix anything.

I'm stumped... and there is nothing in the logs that is tossing an error

Any ideas?

(note, my linux experience is mostly slackware with some redhat and mandrake
tossed in)

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Re: Postfix and spamassassin not working properly

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 02:45:10PM +0100, Willem-Jan Meijer said
> After reading an article in the dutch "linux magazine" I read how to use
> spamassassin with postfix on a Debian 3.0r1 box. I have done excactly what I
> read in the arcticle and checked once and twice. But when I send a
> test-mail, messages are received w/o content and the to: address has changed
> in undisclosed-recipients.
> 
> What's going wrong ?

No idea, but this system worked very well for me:
http://www.wdg.us/Content/rd/mta/spampd/spampd.html

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Re: Pathetic Writer (or siagoffice)

[Ron Jr]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 06:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Ken Caldwell wrote:
> 
> > 
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:40:29PM +1100, Ken Caldwell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was looking for a small word processor and spreadsheet to be used on
> > > > some old computers (Pentium 75 with 32MB RAM and 520MB HDD) and tried to
> > > > use Pathetic Writer which is part of siagoffice but it seems to crash.
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > Do you really need wordprocessing combined with a spreadsheet within one
> > > single program?
> > >
> > > If not, you may try 'slsc' as a not so bad spreadsheet in text mode;
> > > this may lead you to a better wordprocessor not overeating your system
> > > ressources - if not even to working with 'latex'.

Hey, slsc is pretty spiffy!  Reminds me of Lotus 1-2-3.

And really light-weight.  slsc + nano would be very useful for
lightweight systems: fvwm2 & and bunch of rxvt windows with nano,
slsc, mutt & links.

What else could you possibly need?

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a bit more info

[Matt Eberhardt]

this is my /etc/network/interfaces file... the gateway is correct

# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)

# The loopback interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian
installation
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.125
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Ron Jr]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Is CC'ing at epidemic levels on debian-user?

I don't find it bad, since the debian- mailing lists are configured
well.  It's rampant on the postgresql- lists, where Reply All and
Reply To List produce identical results.

> I find off topic threads more of a problem. ;)



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RE: Descarga CD's con jigdo

[Juan Irisarri (personal)]

Gracias. Estoy empezando con Debian y lo primero que estoy intentando es
bajarme los CD's para empezar a instalarlo. Estoy utilizando la versión
con jigdo.
Te respondo: sí, estoy bajando los discos de la versión estable de
Woody. Ya he probado con la localización us y tampoco están.
He revisado el fichero woody-i386-1.jigdo y tiene la siguiente
información:

[Jigdo]
Version=1.1
Generator=jigdo-file/0.6.8

[Image]
Filename=debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso
Template=http://us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/3.0_r1/jigdo/i386/woody
-i386-1.template
Template-MD5Sum=rsSqVPLlbHsptqZKKEfnFQ
ShortInfo='Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 "Woody" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD'
Info='Generated on Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:48:38 +'

[Parts]
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-21/READ-ca.txt
-udfCx3rSiqG2VZ_V87oLg=Debian:dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05
-21/READ-da.txt
ebXnKOxjTa_dlik1KUjRZg=Debian:dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05
-21/READ-es.txt
... Muchos más ficheros
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BT1bGR-Eyb4kr_9GAKARLg=Debian:doc/package-developer/debconf_specificatio
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tar.gz
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z
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C9AZqpnDwtI1dXEHsuviwQ=Debian:pool/main/a/abiword/abiword-common_1.0.2+c
vs.2002.06.05-1_i386.deb
...Resto de ficheros

Como verás, existen 34 ficheros en doc/package-developer. Debe haber
alguno más mal, porque me dice que me faltan 39, pero todavía no los he
identificado.

Me he conectado a varios servidores, incluído el US y dicho directorio
no existe.

No sé como seguir, porque el RESYNC no lo puedo utilizar porque no tengo
ningún UNIX instalado. Voy a intentar bajarme los discos para
instalación en red y crearme un linux temporal para intentar hacerlo,
pero espero que haya otro método o que los responsables arreglen el
error.

Gracias.

Espero vuestras noticias.

-Mensaje original-
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Enviado el: miércoles, 29 de octubre de 2003 1:30
Para: Juan Irisarri (personal)
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Descarga CD's con jigdo

Juan Irisarri (personal) wrote:
> La descarga del disco 1 no termina porque no encuentra una serie de
> ficheros en el directorio …./debian/doc/package-developer/.
> Me he conectado a varios de los sites y no encuentro el directorio en
> ninguno. Por defecto, el server

Help with Debian Linux

[Leo and Shelby]

hello,
 
 
    I have recently downloaded your 
3.0 release for the x86 platform.  It installed with a very little degree 
of difficulty but I am unable to launch X windows.  It starts up then bombs 
out with a error message of "No such file or directory".  This happens 
right after installation?  Please help...
 
 
Leo

Re: reiserfs

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:57, Rohan Nicholls wrote:
> At Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:34:31 +0200,
> Micha Feigin wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 17:38, Rohan Nicholls wrote:
> > > At Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:14:01 +0200,
> > > Micha Feigin wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 18:03, Rohan Nicholls wrote:
> > > > > At 27 Oct 2003 10:31:01 -0500,
> > > > > Vivek Kumar wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > You need the kernel-package package, don't remember what others
> > > > (libncurses or something like that for the graphic setup).
> > > > You then do a make xconfig/menuconfig to config the kernel (It can be
> > > > hard the first few times) and then to build the kernel (debian way):
> > > > make-kpkg --revision= kernel-image
> > > > You will then get a deb one directory up which you install using
> > > > dpkg -i kernel-image-.deb
> > > > Try looking in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz after you install
> > > > the package.
> > > 
> > > Damn, that sounds really easy, people have mentioned on the list how
> > > easy it is, and that proves it.  The linux kernel is surprisingly easy
> > > to configure and compile, which is amazing considering its complexity.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for that.
> > > 
> > > rohan
> > 
> > Compiling the kernel is easy. The hard part is configuring it the first
> > few times (untill you start understanding what the options are.)
> > It does give you a few defaults. You can also install a stock kernel and
> > copy /boot/config- to .config which will give you a starting
> > point.
> > The problem is that it is a serious overkill for a non-generic kernel.
> 
> It is one of those things you decide you will take an evening to do,
> get a list of the hardware you need to support, and then go through
> for a couple of hours reading the help information for options that
> look promising.
> 
> That I think is the best advice I can give, as the biggest mistake to
> make is thinking that the first time you can just zip through and have
> it configured and compiled in an hour.
> 

Also from my experience expect to recompile a few times until you find
exactly what suits your computer.

> Points of interest, if you have an ide burner remember to include the
> ide-scsi module, and there are whole groups of things you can skip.

You will also need to compile in scsi-emulation and scsi-cdrom. Also I
would sugest not compiling ide cd-rom support in or you will run into
some headaches when the kernel recognizes you burner as ide before you
have time to mount it as scsi.

> Also, when including support for the file system your boot/root
> partitions use, it cannot be a module, but must be directly compiled
> into the kernel.  The mistake I made the first time was trying to
> compile too many things in, now that I am used to it I compile
> only what I need and anything that I don't understand that is selected
> by default ie. stuff about the type of bus I have, and other
> weirdness.  Another thing, one of the first options has to do with
> "unstable" sections, make sure you say yes to this, otherwise it hides
> all unstable modules, which in my case included my maestro3 soundcard,
> this will save you a lot of "what the ? where is it?".:-D
> 
> Well that was probably confusing, but if not I hope it helps.
> And the /etc/modules is where you list modules that you want loaded at
> boot time, and I believe kept in memory the whole time.  Things like
> soundcards, and network cards are good things to list here, although I
> have found that even if you leave them out, the kernel will load them
> automatically. 
> 

/etc/modules are the modules loaded at startup by /etc/init.d/modutils
or /etc/init.d/module-init-tools (depends on kernel version 2.4 is the
former).
As for loaded automaticly, you to compile in kernel autoloader (the
first submenu iirc) and have a proper alias in /etc/modutils/ (most are
usually there but sound and network cards are problematic as you need to
know which module to load). If you update it you will need to run
update-modules afterwards.

> Good luck,
> 
> rohan
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Re: Help with Debian Linux

[Ron Jr]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 11:13, Leo and Shelby wrote:
> hello,
>  
>  
> I have recently downloaded your 3.0 release for the x86 platform. 
> It installed with a very little degree of difficulty but I am unable
> to launch X windows.  It starts up then bombs out with a error message
> of "No such file or directory".  This happens right after
> installation?  Please help...

What command are you using to start X?

P.S. - Please turn off HTML formatting.

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Re: Installing debian on new hardware.

[Elie De Brauwer]

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 12:31, Ron Jr wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 02:18, Elie De Brauwer wrote:
> > Hello list, i was just wondering,
> >
> > I have a new machine PIV 2.8ghz with hyperthreading, and a serial ata
> > disk. What is the best way to launch a debian install on it ? Currently
> > there's a gentoo with a custom kernel on it which i had to install from a
> > custom chroot (since there were problems booting and detecting the
> > disks). But gentoo doesn't 'feel' right and i want to turn the machine in
> > a debian. Are there any recents boot disks,iso, ... available that are
> > able to boot this machine, or how can i create my custom boot disks
> > starting from the current kernel, or is it possible to launch the debian
> > install from a chrooted environment ?
>
> Is it only SATA, or also PATA?

SATA for harddisks
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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 05:57:42AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:14:15AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:03:05PM -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> > > Most of the people who have this problem, I believe, have the
> > > technical ability to setup such a filter, and for reasons that I don't
> > > understand choose not to do so and instead depend upon the charity of
> > > the mailing list posters to cater to their reply whims.  This, to me,
> > > seems silly, but as I said, there's obviously something there that I'm
> > > not understanding.
> > 
> > Here's my reason for disliking this approach. If a mail is sent to both
> > me and a mailing list, it's very likely that the one sent directly to me
> > will get there first, since it doesn't incur list processing delays, and
> > therefore the direct copy is the one that the filter will usually keep.
> > Thus, such a duplicates filter does precisely the wrong thing: I want
> > all the list traffic to end up in the list mailbox, not in my inbox!
> 
> Oh, interesting.  Not only do I have duplicate filters, my filters still 
> see that it was for debian-user and place it in the correct mail box.  
> Unless someone bcc's debian-user.
> 
> So I can see if you had setup your own "mail filter system" based on
> mail only coming from the list server then CC's would break your setup.

See the other half of my post about the value of ccs to draw my
attention to something. :) I'm definitely convinced that X-Mailing-List:
or the equivalent is the right way to filter a mailing list; that kind
of filtering should, IMHO, be based on the envelope rather than the To:
and Cc: headers.

  
DEBLISTS=announce|devel|devel-announce|release|policy|private|perl|boot|user|testing|mentors|qa|qa-packages|wnpp|legal|debbugs|debbugs-cvs|lint-maint|ssh|l10n-english|www|project|glibc|bugs-rc|powerpc

  :0:
  * $^X-Mailing-List: 
  * ^X-Mailing-List: 

Re: Xfree86 4.3

[John Holland]

> [20031028] John Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Can anyone say how stable the "experimental" XFree86 4.3 packages are?
>> Is there any reliable way to install this into debian? I'm running a
>> mix of stable and unstable.
>
> I've been running Daniel Strone's ds4 for about 4 months now on a
> production environment & on my home boxes & laptop (all under sid)
> without any problems so far.
>
> Simply add :
>
> deb http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386/ ./
>
> in your sources.list to use it.

Thanksto all who replied.
Actually I got a different deb source at people.debian.org from someone on
the swsusp list and installed it last night. X seems to take a long time
to start but it is working well and I can now hibernate from and to X
which is nice.
John



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RE: Backup Package names currently installed

[Michael Dominok]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:12, Michael Dominok wrote:
> dpkg -l |grep --extended-regexp --regexp='^[uirph]c|^[uirph]i'|awk {'
> print $2 "=" $3'} >/tmp/p_list
I have to correct myself. Just noticed that packages with long names
could get chopped this way.
A better way of getting a p_list:

cat /var/lib/dpkg/available |grep --extended-regexp '^Package' |awk
{'print $2'} >/tmp/p_only
cat /var/lib/dpkg/available |grep --extended-regexp '^Version' |awk
{'print $2'} >/tmp/v_only
paste -d'=' /tmp/p_only /tmp/v_only >/tmp/p_list

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RE: HOWTO make a server

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 14:52, John M. Purser wrote:
> Good Morning,
> 
> My Debian box provides DNS, Firewall, and NAT for my home network like I
> think you're planning to do.  The HOWTO's are a great place to start but you
> need to read (or at least scan) the BIND, IPTABLES, etc. documentation as
> well and don't forget the README.Debian.  Many of the HOWTO's were written
> for earlier versions of Linux or for different distributions and exactly
> where to put/find the files can be tricky.
> 
> My first step when I'm looking for file xyz is to run updatedb and then try
> "locate xyz".  If that doesn't work I dig through the program documentation
> to see where it should go.  Debian-user archive is another good place to
> dig.  Sometimes you fall back on your best guess as to where the Debian way
> would put it.  For instance under RedHat I put my firewall script in
> rc.local as I saw in a HOWTO.  In Debian there aint no rc.local so I moved
> the script to /etc/network and invoke it from the correct interface with the
> up switch.
> 

DNS was a bit of a headache if you want to configure you local domain.
Notice that you will need to install the package in any case if you
don't want to configure static dns ips on you other computers.
Bind 8 and 9 work  out of the box for that but don't use your isp's dsn
server by default so should be configured.
I installed bind9 and there is also a documentation package. took some
time but the documentation is quite good.
For IPTABLES, if you don't want to start with too much reading I would
sugest one of the firewall script builders (I use shorewall and its
quite good. It also has a webmin interface so that you can configure it
from a different computer, although iirc its webmin interface is not
available in the stable version).
I know also of fwbuilder although I never used it and firestarter which
is a graphical interface.
Debian's replacement for rc.local (and much better imho) are the scripts
under /etc/rc.d
A name starting with K means to run the script with stop option when
entering the runlevel and S with start uption. The numbers state the
order of execution.
You usually put the script you want to run under /etc/init.d/ and then
make a link to it.
The main directories you'll be interested in under debian are
/etc/rcS.d - runs once on startup before the runlevel scripts. The place
to put firewall startup scripts (after the network starts, the 
automatically installed script in my case is 
/etc/rcS.d/S40shorewall
/etc/rc2.d - The default runlevel in debian. Unlike redhat there are no 
two different runlevels for a graphic and non-graphic start.
/etc/rc1.d - Of less interest but this is where you go when starting
withlinux single.
NAT is done through the firewall. You will need to compile the kernel 
with the appropriate modules. (don't know how the stock kernel  comes).
If you've got a dedicated computer for the firewall/gateway I would also
suggest skipping X for it.

> I hope this helps.
> 
> John Purser
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leandro Patron Rizzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
> To: di
> Subject: HOWTO make a server
> 
> 
> Hi.
> I'm reading a lots of HOWTO's, I want too put a linux box that sharing
> internet and act as DNS server for a private network.
> But, all the things that appears in those HOWTO doesn't match the files
> in Debian's distribution.
> Where can I find HOWTO's for networking over DEBIAN?
> Thanks a lot :)
> Leandro
> 
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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:36:47PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 at 22:18 GMT, Kjetil Kjernsmo penned:
> > 
> > I can't agree. For a review of the opposing viewpoints, see
> > http://marc.merlins.org/perso/listreplyto.html I've been in both
> > camps, but I have now settled for the "harmful" camp.  I've been to
> > too many mailing lists with reply-tos, and what you get is a lot of
> > mis-sent private messages, and then a lot of "sorry, didn't mean
> > that", flame-wars over comments that weren't meant for the list, and
> > even "hell, remove that comment from the list archive". All that is
> > _far_ more annoying than the occasional CC, IMHO. 
> > 
> 
> Upon reading this, I have to agree with you -- having a supposedly
> private message sent to the list could range from mildly annoying to
> outrageously embarrassing.
> 
> But then I have to ask -- do some clients automagically CC the poster,
> or are people going to the trouble of CCing manually?

I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is
a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned
something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I
think most of the CCs you are receiving are from borken mail-clients
that don't respect that header.

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 11:39:19AM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> Just my perception of it:-
> It's unnecessary. If someone is already subscribed to a list, obviously
> they are going to receive the post. To cc as well, to the same
> recipient, is not only pointless, it can be invasive.
> 
> If this situation is not brought about by incorrect heading, then one
> has to wonder why some people feel a requirement to do it? Is there a
> reason? Are there any advocates of this behaviour pattern that would
> care to enlighten us?
> Regards,

I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and
might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure
to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to
anything I said.

Another reason is that this list sometimes gets overwhelmed and posts
don't appear for over an hour, but CC's arrive almost instantaneously.

The extra bandwidth consumed is very small. On the order of 10 extra
emails over the hundreds I already get each day.

Also for some lists (not debian-user yet) I use gmane
where I read and write to the list through a news interface. In that
case it's also nice to get copies of replies to my messages directly
through email.

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Re: Outgoing SMTP ports

[James W. Thompson, II]

I figured out the problem.

My firewall was applying the same rules to my eth0 and lo interfaces, 
so I set the first rule in my inbound and outbound sets to allow any 
traffice on lo...

Is there any security risk posed by this? Should I be security concious 
about have no restricitions on the loopback interface?

-James

On Oct 29, 2003, at 7:35 AM, James W. Thompson, II wrote:

My problem seems to persist, let me delve more into it and see if 
y'all can help.

My firewall allows all incoming and outgoing connections that are 
ESTABLISHED or RELATED
My firewall allows all incoming connections on port 25 that are NEW 
(TCP)
My firewall allows all outgoing connections to port 25 that are NEW 
(TCP)

Is there some other rule that I need to set because outgoing mail is 
just not going, I have my 3 nameservers setup in /etc/resolve.conf and 
can dig all the domains which mail should be going to so DNS doesn't 
seem to be the problem. Any suggestions?

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Re: Getting HP to support Debian

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:08:17 +, 
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 01:43:52PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:04:03 +, 
> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:15:26AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > > ..HP is sponsoring SCO "City to City Tour".  I say boycott HP 
> > > > until they join us against SCO et al.  Same for Sun etc.   
> > > 
> > > HP is also sponsoring Debian in really quite a big way.
> >  
> > ..debian is also hurd and freebsd, "no conflict there, post-linux".
> 
> That's a nice catchphrase, but it's not realistic at the moment and
> won't be for some time.
 
..agreed ;-) ,  however my impression is, it does look like an HP
ambition.

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 07:44:52PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:12:28PM -0500, David Gaudine wrote:
> > With this mail program (the default Mac mail program, which I've not
> > used much), when I click "reply" it's your address that gets used.
> > I manually changed it in my earlier followup (surely you didn't get a
> > CC of that.)  I don't know if it's because of your headers, the list, or
> > with this mail program.  Regardless, the clue is not there.
> 
> Ah, that's why.  Don't hit reply, hit reply-to-list.

There is a header one can set to indicate where the mail should go. Mutt
respects this header so I just hit g (group reply) and it figures out if
the person wants replies or not.

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Straight to SID...

[Tom]

To install my system, I normally boot off Woody CD, install only the 
minimal/base packages, reboot, upgrade the kernel, reboot, and then 
install the rest of my SID debs I keep on my hard drive.

(1) When booting from the Woody CD, what would happen if I said "don't 
get the base system from the CD" and instead point sources.list to my 
local SID partial mirror, assuming it has a SID version of the base.

(2) If (1) works, I suppose it's okay to install an upgraded kernel 
during the "do you want to run tasksel or deselect" phase.

This would reduce my setup times from about 30 minutes to about 20 
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Re: How can I get a working Gnome installation on a new "testing" machine?

[stan]

On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 05:49:09PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:01:11PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > Well, here is what my existing /etc/apt/preferences file looks like:
> > 
> > Package: *
> > Pin: release a=testing
> > Pin-Priority: 900
> > 
> > Package: *
> > Pin: release a=stable
> > Pin-Priority: 500
> > 
> > Package: *
> > Pin: release a=unstable
> > Pin-Priority: 95
> > 
> > Should I drop the stable entry?
> 
> Well ... why do you think that you need it? Mixing stable, testing, and
> unstable is almost always a bad idea. They were never designed to work
> that way.
> 
So, you are syaing:

1. There is NO program in stable that a testing or unstable version of does
not exist?

2. I should just use 1 distribution? If so, which one?

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Re: gnome crash, fontconfig

[Eliot Stock]

> > Hello,
> >
> > Just installed X and gnome on sarge.
> >
> > When I startx, I get as far as a  split second of the gnome
> > logo, then X crashes and my term is all screwed up and I have
> > to reboot.
> >
> > After rebooting I find an .xsession_errors file in my home
> > dir (running gnome as root currently) as follows:
> >
> > No fonts found; this probably means that the fontconfig
> > library is not correctly configured...
> >
> > So I
> >
> > dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
> >
> > and enabled sub-pixel text rendering (got an LCD), and disabled
> >  bitmapped fonts. Same thing: the .xsession_errors file is
> > recreated.
> >
> > Can't see any decent output from gnome in /var/log - can anyone
> > tell me what's going on or how I'm supposed to find out?
>
> Try removing gsfonts-other?  It was segfaulting fontconfigified apps
> last week.
>

not installed. I only have: defoma, fontconfig, and xfonts-base

Eliot.

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Re: bit of help for new debian user....

[Elie De Brauwer]

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 15:24, Matt Eberhardt wrote:
> Hey list,
>
> I appear to have broken something with my Debian Unstable setup.
> I noticed the problem when trying to ssh out of the box to a remote box. I
> get a:
> "Network is unreachable"
> first thought the problem was ssh.. so I tried to ssh to localhost, whiched
> worked fine.
>
> Then I tried pinging an external host, every ping fails.
>
> Next I tried "lynx yahoo.com" and it fails with a "Unable to connect to
> remote host."
>
> So now I'm thinking network problem... I can ssh out from a windows box, so
> I know that it is not being blocked at the router level.
> I can do "host yahoo.com" and get it to resolve correctly. I can ping
> internal addresses. I can ssh into the box from a windows box. I can get
> webpages from internal addresses.
> But I can't get to anything outside our network anytime i try, i get a
> host unreachable.
>
> Then I thought perhaps iptables was blocking it, so I ran
> "/etc/init.d/iptables clear" but that did not fix anything.
>
> I'm stumped... and there is nothing in the logs that is tossing an
> error
>
> Any ideas?

Is your routing set up properly ? When you traceroute to your isp do you see 
anything weird ? 
Sounds like a routing problem to me. Or an isp problem 

hth
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du and df problem... Please help!

[Dave Henderson]

I am sure you guys have seen this a hundred times.  I tried looking through groups.google.com for information on this, which I did find, but nothing that really said how to fix the problem.  All my findings just basically said how the two programs read size information differently.  Here is my situation, all I have done is install the base OS from a cd, then remove certain packages via dpkg (along with deleting some empty dir's and such).  I haven't added ANY files to the system or made ANY links to anything.  When I run du on each root directory (ie. /boot, /dev, etc), I totaled up the sizes given for each directory, the total OS size is reported as being around 22mb.  If I run the df command, I get a total OS size of 55mb.  I would understand if the two figures were close to one another, but the df size is more than double that of the du size.
 During my readings in groups.google.com, some people said to check what mounts you have because df reports sizes from those also.  I have no mounts to anything (my mtab file only contains /dev/hda3 (which is my root partition) and the proc fs).  Also I only have 2 partitions, 1 for swap, 1 for all the rest.  I have rebooted and checked the sizes again, as well as shutdown completely and check the sizes with no changes.  Can someone PLEASE HELP ME!
 
Thanks,
Dave Henderson
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gnome sound isn't working

[josep salord]

Hi,

I've woody + kernel 2.4.18 + alsa 0.9.

Alsa drivers work fine, but gnome sound events do not work. I've esound
package installed and "sound server+sound events" actived in the gnome
control center.

What is missing?

Do I need some other packages?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 16:18, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and
> might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make
> sure to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to
> anything I said.

Yup, the way I do this with KMail is to add a filter that checks if my 
domain is in the References-header and puts it in a special folder if 
it is. 

Cheers,

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[ScruLoose]

On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:12:49AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 03:36:47PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > 
> > Upon reading this, I have to agree with you -- having a supposedly
> > private message sent to the list could range from mildly annoying to
> > outrageously embarrassing.
> > 
> > But then I have to ask -- do some clients automagically CC the poster,
> > or are people going to the trouble of CCing manually?
> 
> I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is
> a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned
> something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I
> think most of the CCs you are receiving are from borken mail-clients
> that don't respect that header.

Shouldn't you be hitting the L key in mutt, for 'reply-to-list' instead
of g for 'reply-to-all'...
Especially considering that the code of conduct for the list:
  http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
says "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a
carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request
to be copied."

Contrary to what the opt-out spammers would have us believe, a failure
to request that you _not_ send me something doesn't constitute a request
_to_ send it.

I believe that when using the reply-to-list function, mutt will respect
a mail-followup-to header and CC the person if it's specified. At least
I know there's _some_ header that does the trick, because sometimes I
hit L in mutt and voila, there's a CC in my reply.

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Re: PDFs on the fly with PHP

[Roberto Sanchez]

John Hasler wrote:
Roberto Sanchez writes:

She doesn't the user of her product to be required to deal with licensing
PDFlib, so she is looking for alternatives that *are* compatibe with the
GPL.


However, she wrote "I don't want to use PDFlib as the code is totally open
source..."  leading me and some others to think she meant that she was
saying that PDFlib was Open Source.
Right, but she corrected that oversight in a later post by clarifying
that it is *her* code that is open and PDFlib that is encumbered.
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Re: bit of help for new debian user....

[Roberto Sanchez]

Matt Eberhardt wrote:
Hey list,

I appear to have broken something with my Debian Unstable setup.
I noticed the problem when trying to ssh out of the box to a remote box. I
get a:
"Network is unreachable"
first thought the problem was ssh.. so I tried to ssh to localhost, whiched
worked fine.
Then I tried pinging an external host, every ping fails.

Next I tried "lynx yahoo.com" and it fails with a "Unable to connect to
remote host."
So now I'm thinking network problem... I can ssh out from a windows box, so
I know that it is not being blocked at the router level.
I can do "host yahoo.com" and get it to resolve correctly. I can ping
internal addresses. I can ssh into the box from a windows box. I can get
webpages from internal addresses.
But I can't get to anything outside our network anytime i try, i get a
host unreachable.
Then I thought perhaps iptables was blocking it, so I ran
"/etc/init.d/iptables clear" but that did not fix anything.
I'm stumped... and there is nothing in the logs that is tossing an error

Any ideas?

What is the output from 'route -n' and 'ifconfig'?

-Roberto


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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Steve Lamb]

Bijan Soleymani wrote:
I hit the g key in mutt. It usually does do CCs. I'm told that there is
a header that people can set to request no CCs. I think you mentionned
something along those lines. I am pretty sure mutt respects that. I
think most of the CCs you are receiving are from borken mail-clients
that don't respect that header.
You should be hitting L, not g.

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Re: netiquette: CCing on lists

[Steve Lamb]

Bijan Soleymani wrote:
I like getting CCs. I receive hundreds of mailing list mail a day and
might not be able to check up on all of them every day, but I make sure
to check my main inbox, that way I can see if anybody replied to
anything I said.
But how does this translate into being good to send CCs?  As we all know 
any one individual's preferences does not translate over to any other 
individual's preferences.  What are the reasons it is good to send a CC, not 
the reasons one prefers to get one?

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Re: Straight to SID...

[Roberto Sanchez]

Tom wrote:
To install my system, I normally boot off Woody CD, install only the 
minimal/base packages, reboot, upgrade the kernel, reboot, and then 
install the rest of my SID debs I keep on my hard drive.

(1) When booting from the Woody CD, what would happen if I said "don't 
get the base system from the CD" and instead point sources.list to my 
local SID partial mirror, assuming it has a SID version of the base.

(2) If (1) works, I suppose it's okay to install an upgraded kernel 
during the "do you want to run tasksel or deselect" phase.

This would reduce my setup times from about 30 minutes to about 20 
minutes.


I've done something very similar when doing a chroot install.
My steps look like this:
- Boot Knoppix, partition drive as desired
- wget the basedebs.tar and run debootstrap
- run base-config, when prompted for apt-sources point it at
unstable *
- skip tasksel and go into dselect, select desired packages and go
- enjoy a freshly installed Sid system
* I do this by choosing the "edit by hand" option (or something similar)
rather than using the avialable list of sources from the install
program, as all of those point to Woody sources.
-Roberto


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Replying to the list in evolution [was Re: Outgoing SMTP ports]

[Oliver Elphick]

On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 13:50, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 14:23, BruceG wrote:
> [...]
> > (I noticed when replying using Ximian Evolution, it does the to: as the
> > original poster. If I reply to all, it cc:'s the debian-user list. I had
> > to delete the to: and move debian-users from cc: to to:  Wonder why that
> > is?)

If you want to reply to the list only, that option is available in
evolution from the pop-up menu put up by your mouse right-button.
(At least in evolution 1.4 -- I don't remember seeing it in earlier
releases.)

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Re: du and df problem... Please help!

[Roberto Sanchez]

Dave Henderson wrote:
I am sure you guys have seen this a hundred times.  I tried looking through groups.google.com for information on this, which I did find, but nothing that really said how to fix the problem.  All my findings just basically said how the two programs read size information differently.  Here is my situation, all I have done is install the base OS from a cd, then remove certain packages via dpkg (along with deleting some empty dir's and such).  I haven't added ANY files to the system or made ANY links to anything.  When I run du on each root directory (ie. /boot, /dev, etc), I totaled up the sizes given for each directory, the total OS size is reported as being around 22mb.  If I run the df command, I get a total OS size of 55mb.  I would understand if the two figures were close to one another, but the df size is more than double that of the du size.
 During my readings in groups.google.com, some people said to check what mounts you have because df reports sizes from those also.  I have no mounts to anything (my mtab file only contains /dev/hda3 (which is my root partition) and the proc fs).  Also I only have 2 partitions, 1 for swap, 1 for all the rest.  I have rebooted and checked the sizes again, as well as shutdown completely and check the sizes with no changes.  Can someone PLEASE HELP ME!
 
Thanks,
Dave Henderson

du reports disk space used by individual files. df reports unused disk
space.  If you are using an ext3 file system, the file system takes
32 MB for the journal.  Thus your 22 MB of files plus the 32 MB
journal are approx. equal to the 35 MB reported by df.
HTH,

-Roberto

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Re: chkrootkit found lkm trojan ?

[Thomas R. Shemanske]

See also bug report filed on chkrootkit:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=217278



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