date:20031020

I just read about udeb, google says they are coming in debian-installer.
I have some scripts that assume every binary package downloaded to
/var/cache/apt/archives will end in the extension ".deb".

Is this valid?


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Re: install_oracle9i

2003-10-20 Thread Alex Malinovich

On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 07:24, mohammed wrote:
> please can you help me to install oracle 9i
> on the server and teache me the steps 
> to install oracle 9i

I wrote a guide a while ago about this:

http://www.the-love-shack.net/oracle-on-sid.shtml

You can also try searching for a guide on google.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Johann Spies

On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote:
> On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote:
> > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to
> > give the source code, either along with the program or when people
> > ask you for it.
> 
> And you have to put your own code also under a GPL compatible license.

I don't think that is necessary but I may be wrong. 

This is how I understand it: if you use GPL libraries you will have to
mention that in your documentation and make available the source code
of those libraries.  You can license your own program differently even
if you use GPL code and then you don't have to reveal your code except
for the open source parts of the libraries.

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Re: Will a binary deb package ever not end in extension .deb?

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:16:58AM -0700, Tom wrote:
> I just read about udeb, google says they are coming in debian-installer.
> I have some scripts that assume every binary package downloaded to
> /var/cache/apt/archives will end in the extension ".deb".
> 
> Is this valid?

Yes. You should never be installing .udebs on a real system.

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Re: apt-get install pkg and remove pkg on the same line?!

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:59:59AM +0200, smurfd wrote:
> Hey there Debian-user list, ive been thinking, (not well enough, as it
> seems).
> 
> How does dselect do, when you select/deselect packages to be
> added/removed ? i mean, can you type yourself, like on one line..
> 
>   apt-get install packages remove packages?

dselect's apt method uses the 'dselect-upgrade' option to apt, which
tells apt-get to attempt to resolve the desired package states that
dselect has put in /var/lib/dpkg/status. This isn't really accessible
very easily in the way you'd normally use apt-get.

However, here's a quote from the apt-get(8) man page:

   install
  install  is followed by one or more packages desired for
  installation. Each package is  a  package  name,  not  a
  fully  qualified  filename  (for  instance,  in a Debian
  GNU/Linux system, libc6 would be the argument  provided,
  not  libc6_1.9.6-2.deb).  All  packages  required by the
  package(s)  specified  for  installation  will  also  be
  retrieved  and installed. The /etc/apt/sources.list file
  is used to locate the desired packages. If a  hyphen  is
  appended  to  the  package  name  (with  no  intervening
  space), the identified package will be removed if it  is
  installed.

So you can say:

  apt-get install package1 package2 package3- package4-

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Re: Cannot use type1 fonts with OpenOffice

2003-10-20 Thread Ernest Adrogué

On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 07:57:13PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:27:31AM +0200, Ernest Adrogu? wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm using OpenOffice 1.1.0 and want to use some fonts
> > that I have in /usr/local/.../{truetype,type1}. They are
> > visible with gtkfontsel and gtk2fontsel, and show up in
> > xlsfonts and fc-list as well, but with OpenOffice I can
> > only use the TrueType ones. The Type1 ones just doesn't
> > appear in the list.
> > 
> > However the Helvetica & co. which are also Type1 work
> > fine. I've moved all the fonts to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,
> > updated the fonts.dir and fonts.scale files, but in
> > vain. Any help will be appreciated.
> > 
> > P.S.: Please, CC me in replies.
> 
> I don't know what release you are using but I had a very similar
> problem. I run unstable and I think fonts for some apps are handled by
> fontconfig and libxft.

I'm using Debian "Woody" with some packages (xfree, gtk,
freetype, openoffice...) from testing.

> When configuring fontconfig I had said that I didn't want it to use
> bitmapped fonts (because it told me they were not as good) and then
> later I realized that only truetype fonts were showing up in apps. Then
> reading through the messages on this list I found out about fontconfig,
> did a "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" and chose use bitmap fonts and
> things were ok.

This only changes the paths where fontconfig finds fonts,
but OpenOffice still doesn't see them. Although every other
app using fontconfig/xft/x11 do. So I think this is a
oo-specific problem.

Thank you, anyway.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer.

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:28:52 -0700
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them.
> 
> And just so there's no confusion:
> We want to kill members of the group Bin Ladan is inciting only to the
> 
> extent that they want to kill us.  Other than that we just don't give
> a fuck about them either way.
> 
What started the inciting were bombs dropped on Bin Laden and his
Taliban.
Up until then, America had been supplying the Taliban with arms, and the
C.I.A. had been involved with field assistance.
When a gas and oil field was discovered under Kazakstan, Turkmenistan
and Northern Afghanistan larger than the Caspian Sea, that all changed.
Iraq has 25% of the worlds' oil reserves, and also the
refineries so close.Perfect solution to the Texas oil lobby who were
running desperately dry.
Now, I wonder who they would be backing? And I wonder who they would
put into power?

The Gulf of Arabia barricade didn't allow wheelbarrows into Iraq,
because they could be employed to assist in the manufacture of nuclear
weapons, even though the basic engredients throughout the world required
for the manufacture of Nuclear weaponry had been accounted for, and it
was well known that Iraq didn't have any. Vaccines were not permitted to
pass for fear that they would be employed in the manufacture of
biological weapons, even though your average high school science student
knows that the organisms in vaccines are dead.

I could carry on hitting you with 'facts' like this for ever. I have
friends that come from there, and others that were there and saw it for
themselves, and have described how a wealthy country whos' citizens
(98%) enjoyed fresh running water, and a good education degenerated into
a situation where over a million children under the age of five died
between the two Gulf wars, because those vaccines were not permitted to
reach the hospitals that were literally begging for them.
But this is the way a siege works, isn't it?

Arabic culture is tribal. If Saddam had been deposed by his own people,
he would have simply been replaced by someone just as bad, and quite
possibly worse. The tribe that is in power benefits at the expense of
the others. This is the way their culture works, and this is the way it
will be when America and its' allies leave. At least this is the
situation as my Arabic Moslem friends and acquaintances tell me it is.
But then we can't expect the U.S. Government to have sources as good as
mine, can we?

Believe it or not, this is a completely unbiased outlook.
Just ask my many friends that were born and brought up in the U.S. and
observe with the objectivity and distance that time tends to lend, and
don't like what they see.
Regards,

David.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:00:38 +0800
csj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:07:12 -0700, Tom wrote:
> > >
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars
> > like Germany or killer stereos like Japan.
> 
> Well, Muslims are turning out cars, and not just the killer cars
> some rogue religious fundamentalists use to make their point.
> You're just looking at the wrong place.  I suspect your keyboard
> or mouse is manufactured in a Muslim majority state somewhere
> north of Australia.
> 
> You can als note that the Arab peninsula was once the
> technological center of the world.  The Renaissance was in part
> possible because Arab scientists and scholars were able to
> preserve the science, lore and superstitions of the ancient
> Greeks and Romans.
> 
The Arabic scholars came some time before the Romans and Greeks.
Regards,

David.


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Re: apt-get install pkg and remove pkg on the same line?!

2003-10-20 Thread smurfd

Thanks Colin and Rob

Works Exactly like i want it to.. Thanks!!

Best regards
/smurfd

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 06:21, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:59:59AM +0200, smurfd said
> > Hey there Debian-user list, ive been thinking, (not well enough, as it
> > seems).
> > 
> > How does dselect do, when you select/deselect packages to be
> > added/removed ? i mean, can you type yourself, like on one line..
> > 
> > apt-get install packages remove packages?
> > 
> > Im not meaning
> > apt-get install packages; apt-get remove packages
> > 
> > you see, so it would collect all packages in need to be added, and all
> > packages that needs to be removed..
> 
> $ apt-get install installme removeme-

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 02:11, Colin Watson wrote: 
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 02:59:59AM +0200, smurfd wrote:
> > Hey there Debian-user list, ive been thinking, (not well enough, as it
> > seems).
> > 
> > How does dselect do, when you select/deselect packages to be
> > added/removed ? i mean, can you type yourself, like on one line..
> > 
> > apt-get install packages remove packages?
> 
> dselect's apt method uses the 'dselect-upgrade' option to apt, which
> tells apt-get to attempt to resolve the desired package states that
> dselect has put in /var/lib/dpkg/status. This isn't really accessible
> very easily in the way you'd normally use apt-get.
> 
> However, here's a quote from the apt-get(8) man page:
> 
>install
>   install  is followed by one or more packages desired for
>   installation. Each package is  a  package  name,  not  a
>   fully  qualified  filename  (for  instance,  in a Debian
>   GNU/Linux system, libc6 would be the argument  provided,
>   not  libc6_1.9.6-2.deb).  All  packages  required by the
>   package(s)  specified  for  installation  will  also  be
>   retrieved  and installed. The /etc/apt/sources.list file
>   is used to locate the desired packages. If a  hyphen  is
>   appended  to  the  package  name  (with  no  intervening
>   space), the identified package will be removed if it  is
>   installed.
> 
> So you can say:
> 
>   apt-get install package1 package2 package3- package4-
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:44:08 +0200
Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote:
> > On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote:
> > > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to
> > > give the source code, either along with the program or when people
> > > ask you for it.
> > 
> > And you have to put your own code also under a GPL compatible
> > license.
> 
> I don't think that is necessary but I may be wrong. 
> 
> This is how I understand it: if you use GPL libraries you will have to
> mention that in your documentation and make available the source code
> of those libraries.  You can license your own program differently even
> if you use GPL code and then you don't have to reveal your code except
> for the open source parts of the libraries.
> 
> Regards
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..802.11 wifi signal noise investigation tools?

Hi,

..on tracking down noise sources defeating 802.11 wifi signals, 
causing DOS,  investigation tools?

..airsnort, wavemon, gkrellmwireless, what else do I need to 
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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? I
think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic.

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Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread Christoph Simon

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:56:37 -0700
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> csj wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700,
> > Erik Steffl wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > 
> >>   think about it: when learning english the only challenge is
> >>to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular
> >>verbs). you built vocabulary by learning words, where you
> >>pretty much only need to remember the word itself (in its basic
> >>form). while when learning german... I don't even want to think
> >>about it.
> > 
> > 
> > Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
> > the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
> > tolerant language.  But if the same standard for proper German is
> > applied to what one considers proper English, then yes, German is
> > easier to learn.  It's a purer, therefore more consistent
> > language, than the French-infected English.
> 
>purity has nothing to do with it (not sure what you mean by pure). 
> not sure what your agenda is. english is a a lot simpler than german, 
> the usage of words is simple, the grammar is simple.

Sorry to drop in at this point, I didn't see the beginning of the
thread.

A simple gramar doesn't mean it's simple to learn. English grammar can
be simplified all the way down to say that there is no grammar, when
accepting tons of `exceptions'. Or, it can be considered extremely
complex, for instance if pronounciation rules should be applied
mechanically. English is easy to start to learn, but the further the
student progresses, the more difficult it gets. The positional grammar
actually allows to form some working english sentences very quickly,
which is not that possible in German, where you are confronted quite
soon with declinations and a twisted sentence structure. On a more
advanced level, it's hard to improve in English, because of so many
exceptions, phrases and overloaded meanings, while german becomes
predictable, being able to deduce the meaning of something new, or
even forming new words by composition which are understood by the
native speaker. What makes german really difficult specially for the
beginner are the teaching methods which are based on the same
principles as for teaching english: The student learns sentences as if
german also had a positional grammar, without any linguistic
understanding. This might appear to be more fun as it allows to say
something already after the first lesson, but it just delays the
solution of the initial problem. Even worse, german education has
dropped so much during the last 2 decades, that many natives have
severe difficulties in choosing the right tense or declination. On the
other hand, an interested student can master most of german grammar
within 6 to 12 months, from where on german actually becomes a
language which is really very easy do deal with.

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Re: Where to download old Potato packages?

2003-10-20 Thread Markus Kolb

Bijan Soleymani wrote:
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:39:10PM +0200, Markus Kolb wrote:

Hi,

where can I find the old Debian Potato release packages?
There is still a directory /debian/dists/potato on ftp.debian.org but 
some packages are lost there.
Same on mirrors ...
I need 
/debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/libs/libmime-base64-perl_2.11-2.deb
What happened there?


[...]
So the file you want is at:
http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/libs/libmime-base64-perl_2.11-2.deb
Hope this helps,
Bijan
Ah, ok.
Yesterday I looked at ftp.debian.org in directory debian-archive but 
there was no Potato directory. Only the older releases up to Slink.
That there is a new server at archive.debian.org is new to me.

Thx for your help

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Oliver Elphick

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:44, Johann Spies wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote:
> > On Saturday 18 October 2003 17:09, Paul Smith wrote:
> > > If you use GPL'd code and you distribute the results, you have to
> > > give the source code, either along with the program or when people
> > > ask you for it.
> > 
> > And you have to put your own code also under a GPL compatible license.
> 
> I don't think that is necessary but I may be wrong. 
> 
> This is how I understand it: if you use GPL libraries you will have to
> mention that in your documentation and make available the source code
> of those libraries.  You can license your own program differently even
> if you use GPL code and then you don't have to reveal your code except
> for the open source parts of the libraries.

That is true of libraries licensed under the LGPL, but not of those
licensed under the GPL.  If they are GPL licensed, any thing that links
to them must also be licensed under a compatible license, which means
that the source code must be made available.

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OT: Sony StorStation LIB-D81A2-EU

2003-10-20 Thread martin f krafft

Hey there,

I would like to attach the Sony AIT-2 Autoloader (8slot 400-1040GB),
model LIB-D81A2-EU, to our groupware server, but I could not find
any information on whether (and how) it is supported by Linux. Does
anyone have experience with that drive?

Or, could anyone recommend a drive capable of more than 250Gb,
preferably as an autoloader?

Thanks,

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:45:48PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:28:52 -0700
> Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> > > I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them.
> > 
> > And just so there's no confusion:
> > We want to kill members of the group Bin Ladan is inciting only to the
> > 
> > extent that they want to kill us.  Other than that we just don't give
> > a fuck about them either way.
> > 
> Up until then, America had been supplying the Taliban with arms, and the
> C.I.A. had been involved with field assistance.

Read "Charlie Wilson's War".  Charlie Wilson was the (cocaine-snortin, 
pussy-chasin) Democrat congressman from Texas who for some reason fell 
in love with Israel and wanted to fuck up the Soviet Union, so he talked 
this working-class Greek fuck-up of a CIA agent from Pennyslvania named 
Gus into getting the funding.

The true motivations for it are nothing like your murky intimations.

> When a gas and oil field was discovered under Kazakstan, Turkmenistan
> and Northern Afghanistan larger than the Caspian Sea, that all changed.
> Iraq has 25% of the worlds' oil reserves, and also the
> refineries so close.Perfect solution to the Texas oil lobby who were
> running desperately dry.
> Now, I wonder who they would be backing? And I wonder who they would
> put into power?

[yawn]

> 
> The Gulf of Arabia barricade didn't allow wheelbarrows into Iraq,
> because they could be employed to assist in the manufacture of nuclear
> weapons, even though the basic engredients throughout the world required
> for the manufacture of Nuclear weaponry had been accounted for, and it
> was well known that Iraq didn't have any. Vaccines were not permitted to
> pass for fear that they would be employed in the manufacture of
> biological weapons, even though your average high school science student
> knows that the organisms in vaccines are dead.
> 
> I could carry on hitting you with 'facts' like this for ever. I have

Shit, bro, you don't even BEGIN to list the facts.  Read "Brought To 
Light", the history of all the dirty deeds the CIA has done since it was 
called the OSS.  (Most of this is taken from the Intra-Contra scandal 
hearings.)  Will spare you 1000 stories, just don't think I don't know 
about what dirty bastards our side have been.

> friends that come from there, and others that were there and saw it for
> themselves, and have described how a wealthy country whos' citizens
> (98%) enjoyed fresh running water, and a good education degenerated into
> a situation where over a million children under the age of five died
> between the two Gulf wars, because those vaccines were not permitted to
> reach the hospitals that were literally begging for them.
> But this is the way a siege works, isn't it?
> 
> Arabic culture is tribal. If Saddam had been deposed by his own people,
> he would have simply been replaced by someone just as bad, and quite
> possibly worse. The tribe that is in power benefits at the expense of
> the others. This is the way their culture works, and this is the way it
> will be when America and its' allies leave. At least this is the
> situation as my Arabic Moslem friends and acquaintances tell me it is.
> But then we can't expect the U.S. Government to have sources as good as
> mine, can we?
> 
> Believe it or not, this is a completely unbiased outlook.
> Just ask my many friends that were born and brought up in the U.S. and
> observe with the objectivity and distance that time tends to lend, and
> don't like what they see.
> Regards,

Fact is, this isn't about "gotcha" our "we're good and you're bad".
This is about: who is pointing a gun at me?  and what am I going to do 
about it?

If you want to sling mud at America, go right ahead; I can top you 10 
times over.  Doesn't change my threat perceptions, or my response.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? I
> think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Ok, I won't respond any more.


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:48:07 +0100, 
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail?
> I think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic.

..any way these off-topic rants can be flagged as such other than "OT"
in the subject?  My problem is the time I spend reading etc, so _I_
should really read DU off a newsserver than get 11000 mail since
joining DU.

..dial-uppers may wanna enjoy being able to filter on, say "OTNO", 
for "OT, news only", and save time DL'ing their mail.  

..on a newsreader, you just pick the threads you _wanna_ read, so I
would tend to be far more tolerant towards flamewars on my newsfeed 
than on my mailfeed.  

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Re: Where to download old Potato packages?

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:07:30PM +0200, Markus Kolb wrote:
> Yesterday I looked at ftp.debian.org in directory debian-archive but 
> there was no Potato directory. Only the older releases up to Slink.
> That there is a new server at archive.debian.org is new to me.

It's been there for some years now ...

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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

2003-10-20 Thread Dave Howorth

On Friday 17 October 2003 16:13, I wrote:
| >>I need to install wxWindows 2.4 on a Woody system so I can build
| >>another application (TreeView X).  Does anybody have any idea of the
| >>best way to do this, and what steps are involved?
I haven't built Debian-ised software from source before (except a 
kernel). It seems a lot more complicated than just downloading the 
upstream package and building it.

Thankfully Derrick 'dman' Hudson replied:
$ apt-get source libwxgtk2.4
$ cd [wx...]# whatever the directory is called
$ fakeroot ./debian/rules binary
$ su
# dpkg -i ../libwxgtk2.4*.deb
You'll definitely need the "lib" package to run that other app.
You'll need the -dev package (or maybe it's called wxwin2.4-headers)
to compile that other app.
I suspect I need both the -dev and the -headers but when I did the 
apt-get it looked to me like it downloaded the same package three times.

I tried the fakeroot command but it just sat there so I looked in the 
Debian Reference and tried

wxwindows2.4-2.4.1.2# dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc

(I'm running as root so I left out the -rfakeroot). It ran but produced 
failed dependencies:

dpkg-buildpackage: source package is wxwindows2.4
dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 2.4.1.2
dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Ron Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386
dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev, python 
(>=2.3), python2.3-dev, libpng2-dev, libtiff3g-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | 
libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev, libesd0-dev
dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.

Which leaves me with a general question and a specific one.

The general question is why the dependencies weren't picked up when I 
did the apt-get source?  And is there in principle a general way to 
resolve them or do I have to apt-get them all individually.

The specific question is why these particular dependencies are arising. 
It's asking for python but I didn't ask for the Python interface 
(libwxgtk2.4-python) [and it wants a version of Python I don't have 
since I'm on Woody] and it's asking for GL support though GL support is 
an optional feature of wxWindows that I don't believe is needed by the 
application I actually want to use (it's a feature of the python 
interface, though).  So I'd like to eliminate the need for those 
dependencies rather than upgrade python and who knows what else.

All suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks, Dave

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Re: ..802.11 wifi signal noise investigation tools?

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:05:05 +0200, 
Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> Hi,
> 
> ..on tracking down noise sources defeating 802.11 wifi signals, 
> causing DOS,  investigation tools?
> 
> ..airsnort, wavemon, gkrellmwireless, what else do I need to 
> spot noise sources?

..duh, I hit the wrong button, I have the hardware, I'm looking for
software to help spot noise sourced that cause DOS to wifi/802.11 
based isp networks.  

..sort of wardriving, but the idea is spot the occational leaky
microwave oven etc, all the way to spot hostile use of long 
range wifi gear, that defeat our signals and cause DOS, not 
to crack into other peoples business lans to use their gateways 
for net access.  

..signal analysis software ideas?

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Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread David Jardine

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:56:37AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> csj wrote:
>
> >[...]
> >
> >Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
> >the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
> >tolerant language.  But if the same standard for proper German is
> >applied to what one considers proper English, then yes, German is
> >easier to learn.  It's a purer, therefore more consistent
> >language, than the French-infected English.
> 
>   purity has nothing to do with it (not sure what you mean by pure). 
> not sure what your agenda is. english is a a lot simpler than german, 
> the usage of words is simple, the grammar is simple.
> 
Depends what you mean by purity.  By European language standards 
it's fairly pure in the sense of not being cluttered up with 
things like redundant inflections, but this is probably because 
it is impure in the sense of having been knocked around by 
neighbouring languages and dialects until there's not much left 
of it apart from what's really necessary to communicate.

David


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Unidentified subject!

2003-10-20 Thread News Admin

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Hi,

I have got a nVidia GeForce graphics card. I was using the 
`nv' driver and everything worked just fine (except 
acceleration). I downloaded and compiled nVidia drivers and 
since then my Xserver refuses to work properly. I got my 
linux configured to start the XServer  after booting - I am 
using KDE. But the X login screen doesn't show up. The 
booting process rund OK while outputting to the text 
console, but upon the XServer start the screen just blinks 
for three times and stays in the text mode.The XServer ends 
saying it cannot load the `nvidia' driver. When i load the 
module via `insmod nvidia', it says that i'm trying to load 
a module without GPL compatible licence, but it gets 
installed. When I start the XServer after that (e.g. 
startx), everything's allright and the XServer starts up 
without complaining. KDE is running just fine and also the 
graphics acceleration works.

Can't I _force_ the XServer to load the module somehow? Or 
is the nvidia kernel module omitted in some script so that 
it doesn't load (e.g. /etc/modules.conf)? Am I confusing the 
`nvidia.o' kernel module with the nvidia X driver?

Thanx.

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Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

2003-10-20 Thread Ron Johnson

On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500, 
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, 
> > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > 
> > > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, 
> > > > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Pigeon writes:
[snip]
> > > Red China Communism came from where?  ;-)
> > 
> > So the idea came from Germany, and then got twisted from Marx's
> > idea of revolt by workers in the Industrial Revolution to justifi-
> > cation of mass starvation (in the 1950s) of peasants and then the
> > Cultural Revolution, while Mao was living like an Emperor.
> 
> ..bravo, not bad.  Not at all bad.   ;-)
> 
> > Face it: where ever you go, there are people who are ambitious and
> > hard working enough to move "up the ladder", whether that be in a
> > semi-capitalistic or "communal" system, and a democracy/republic
> > or an authoritarian state.  Every one else just wants their rice
> > bowl.
> 
> ..yeah, billions is thrown into modifying rice genome to get it to do
> what an avocado a day can do for your health, I dunno about the 
> rest of mankind, myself I like exciting food, but I think I'd prefer an
> avocado a day in a rice diet, over an 100% rice diet, especially 
> if the rice is genetically modified to "do what an avocado a day 
> can do for your health", but then again, that's just me.  ;-)

You're right, but, given the shrinking farm land from exploding
populations, a food stuff that does double duty would be very useful.

Of course, a Modest Proposal to solve the population problem might
be of some use.

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Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-10-20 Thread Albert Dengg

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:18:51 +0200 (MEST)
News Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> Can't I _force_ the XServer to load the module somehow? Or 
> is the nvidia kernel module omitted in some script so that 
> it doesn't load (e.g. /etc/modules.conf)? Am I confusing the 
> `nvidia.o' kernel module with the nvidia X driver?
If you want it to be loaded at boot time (and if you use some kind of
graphical login you will want that i think), just put the line "nvidia"
in /etc/modules
this will cause it to be loaded automatically on reboot

yours
Albert
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How to recover the lost bookmarks

2003-10-20 Thread pradeeps


Hi,

I use galeon browser extensively. I work in research lab and in my job
go through the literature sources from journal and web and build model
for simulations. I had book marked and categorized the bookmark which was
very very important for my modelbuilding(infact work of 4mnts). Recently
Galeon crashed and after trying to re-execute, it showed the error called
" Cannot find a schema for galeon preferences". I fixed as instructed in
the site :
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200108/msg01896.html
"
But galeon started fresh and all my previous book marks are lost.
Can you kindly(please) guide me how can I recover my 4mts of work.

Reply as soon as possible.

Thanks,

Sincerely,
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Re: HELP - dpkg status file was lost

Richard Brooks wrote:
HELP !

All was going along swimmingly until I got a segmentation fault in a dselect operation, which resulted in me having to press the dreaded reset switch.

After having repaired the partition, and losing a few crashed sectors along the way . . . I lost the status file for dpkg/dselect/apt-get.

Now - I cannot do any dselect/apt-get/dpkg operations without a segmentation fault (which doesn't need a reset) or it tells me to run dpkg --configure -a to fix it - which won't work.

Is there any way to re-make the status file ?

No quips about reinstalling the lot, that already looks likely lol

I deleted the files in lost&found - I suspect that may have been a fatal error.

Please advise with a solution (if you all can) - I'd *just* gotten the XMicro GeForce 5200 to work, audio was fine (except permission denied for non root user) - In general was in the midst of actually learning something new, and now I am majorly stuck.

Thanks in Advance,
Richard
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ps :How can I get it to see the whole 1Gb of RAM ?
pss : kernel option on boot ? only sees about 890Mb or so

You ought to have a week's worth of backups of the status file
in /var/backups. They are called dpkg.status.X[.gz], and they are
rotated just like regular log files. So, dpkg.status.0 was made
in the last 24 hours, dpkg.status.1.gz is the old .0, and so on.
Just copy one that isn't screwed up into /var/lib/dpkg. It should
just be called status.
HTH,

-Roberto

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Re: wxWindows

Dave Howorth wrote:

What I meant was a page that *explained* what each package was and under 
what circumstances each particular group of packages should be 
downloaded. Remember I have the viewpoint of somebody who is essentially 
not interested in wxWindows; certainly not interested in developing it, 
or for that matter doing development using it. I only need it to build 
an application for which there is *not* a Debian package, AFAIK. So I 
have to work out the dependencies myself for wxWindows, about which I 
know nothing and hopefully shouldn't need to know anything.

If I go to wxWindows own site, there isn't a complicated list of so many 
packages; I would just choose one package, download and install it. But 
somebody (Ron Lee?) has decided that it is better to have many packages. 
Unless they tell me the rationale behind this, how can I appreciate the 
logic and wisdom?

So as a specific example, which Debian packages should I install to get 
the same effect as clicking on the Unix/GTK+ link on the wxWindows 
download site? (which is what the author of the application package 
recommends to new users.)  How am I supposed to discover this 
correspondence?

Thanks and regards,
Dave

Just 'apt-get install libwxbase2.4 libwxgtk2.4-python
libwxgtk2.4-contrib libwxgtk2.4 libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev
libwxbase2.4-dev libwxgtk2.4-dev wxwin2.4-headers'
That will get you all of the librarys and the headers that you
need to be able to compile a program against wxWindows.
The reason for seperate packages is that, for example, some people
only want the base classes (non-GUI) to support such applications, like
network utilities that may be written without a GUI, without the need
to install lots of extra libraries.  But, that is just a guess.
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Re: How to recover the lost bookmarks

2003-10-20 Thread Kent West

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Recently Galeon crashed and after trying to re-execute, it
 showed the error called " Cannot find a schema for galeon
 preferences". I fixed as instructed in the site :
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200108/msg01896.html
 " But galeon started fresh and all my previous book marks are lost.
 Can you kindly(please) guide me how can I recover my 4mts of work.


Not being familiar with gconf, I'm not sure what this sequence does:

   $ gconftool --shutdown  
   $ su -
   $ GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults  gconftool

However, since you say "galeon started fresh", I suspect that among 
other things it either wiped out your ~/.galeon directory, in which case 
you'll need to restore if from backup (you do have a backup, right?), or 
it just created a new set of default bookmarks. If I understand the way 
Galeon works (and I don't, as I seldom use it), it keeps several backups 
of the bookmarks file (nice feature!). Look in ~/.galeon for some files 
like "bookmarks.xml.[some number]". I suspect the lowest- or 
non-numbered file is the most recent (hence, broken in your case), and 
the next highest-numbered file is that last backup.

I'd make a copy of the galeon directory just for backup purposes during 
this step (cp -r ~/.galeon ~/.galeon.20Oct2003), then copy the "good" 
file over the "bad" file (cp ~/.galeon/bookmarks.xml.1 
~/.galeon/bookmarks.xml) and start up Galeon and see if that fixed the 
problem.

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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

2003-10-20 Thread Mark Roach

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 07:06, Dave Howorth wrote:
[...]
> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev, python 
> (>=2.3), python2.3-dev, libpng2-dev, libtiff3g-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | 
> libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev, libesd0-dev
> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
> 
> Which leaves me with a general question and a specific one.
> 
> The general question is why the dependencies weren't picked up when I 
> did the apt-get source?  And is there in principle a general way to 
> resolve them or do I have to apt-get them all individually.

apt-get build-dep 

> The specific question is why these particular dependencies are arising. 
> It's asking for python but I didn't ask for the Python interface 
> (libwxgtk2.4-python) [and it wants a version of Python I don't have 
> since I'm on Woody] and it's asking for GL support though GL support is 
> an optional feature of wxWindows that I don't believe is needed by the 
> application I actually want to use (it's a feature of the python 
> interface, though).  So I'd like to eliminate the need for those 
> dependencies rather than upgrade python and who knows what else.

The reason is that all of those wxwindows packages come from the same
source package. Why exactly did you decide that you needed to compile
the whole thing again?

-Mark


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Re: Re: X trouble!

2003-10-20 Thread Kevin C. Smith

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 01:33:34AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually, thanks to people on IRC, I fixed the problem.
> 
> It was because of fontconfig bug 216605. The solution was to uninstall
> gsfonts-other, and rebuild the font cache (I used dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig).
> 
> (And sorry about the long lines -- I was using w3m to send that.)
> 
> david

Thanks, I will give that a try tonight.

Kevin


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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

Dave Howorth wrote:
On Friday 17 October 2003 16:13, I wrote:

| >>I need to install wxWindows 2.4 on a Woody system so I can build
| >>another application (TreeView X).  Does anybody have any idea of the
| >>best way to do this, and what steps are involved?


I haven't built Debian-ised software from source before (except a 
kernel). It seems a lot more complicated than just downloading the 
upstream package and building it.

Thankfully Derrick 'dman' Hudson replied:

$ apt-get source libwxgtk2.4
$ cd [wx...]# whatever the directory is called
$ fakeroot ./debian/rules binary
$ su
# dpkg -i ../libwxgtk2.4*.deb
You'll definitely need the "lib" package to run that other app.
You'll need the -dev package (or maybe it's called wxwin2.4-headers)
to compile that other app.


I suspect I need both the -dev and the -headers but when I did the 
apt-get it looked to me like it downloaded the same package three times.

I tried the fakeroot command but it just sat there so I looked in the 
Debian Reference and tried

wxwindows2.4-2.4.1.2# dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc

(I'm running as root so I left out the -rfakeroot). It ran but produced 
failed dependencies:

dpkg-buildpackage: source package is wxwindows2.4
dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 2.4.1.2
dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Ron Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386
dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev, python 
(>=2.3), python2.3-dev, libpng2-dev, libtiff3g-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | 
libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev, libesd0-dev
dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.

Which leaves me with a general question and a specific one.

The general question is why the dependencies weren't picked up when I 
did the apt-get source?  And is there in principle a general way to 
resolve them or do I have to apt-get them all individually.

Because you may be downloading it for a reason other than to build it.
If you already have the necesseray -dev libraries and headers installed
(say, from upstream and Debian doesn't see them) you can pass -d to
dpkg-buildpackage, which will just ignore the build dependencies.  But
that will probably cause parts of the build to fail, since the
libraries will be missing.  Just apt-get the necessary packages.
The specific question is why these particular dependencies are arising. 
It's asking for python but I didn't ask for the Python interface 
(libwxgtk2.4-python) [and it wants a version of Python I don't have 
since I'm on Woody] and it's asking for GL support though GL support is 
an optional feature of wxWindows that I don't believe is needed by the 
application I actually want to use (it's a feature of the python 
interface, though).  So I'd like to eliminate the need for those 
dependencies rather than upgrade python and who knows what else.

wxWindows 2.4 is very recent, and requires some newer libraries. Try
editing the debian/rules file in the package and edit out the part
for the packages you don't want.  To disable OpenGL support, just
remove each instance of the --with-opengl or --enable-opengl (can't
remember which it is) from the debian/rules files.
All suggestions gratefully received.

Thanks, Dave
HTH,

-Roberto


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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

Mark Roach wrote:

The reason is that all of those wxwindows packages come from the same
source package. Why exactly did you decide that you needed to compile
the whole thing again?
-Mark


He is building a non-Debian app that requires wxWindows 2.4 and he
is on Woody, where only 2.2 is available in the official archive.
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Re: More on spam

2003-10-20 Thread Alan Chandler

On Monday 20 October 2003 09:02, Anthony Campbell wrote:

> I've realized recently that I'm inadvertently sending out lots of spam.
> I'd obviously wish to prevent this but how? I've been to the site you
> recommend but I find the information there too complex for me to be sure
> how to do it; it seems to be aimed at sysadmins of large sites and is
> well above the head of a single user like me. I downloaded a small perl
> script (Mail-SPF-Query-1.6) but I'm not clear how to use it. A simple
> guide for the uninitiated would be useful.

Needs some more details, like why do you think you are sending out spam, what 
is your mail server (MTA) thats doing it?

If you have a badly configured MTA, it can act as a mail relay for others 
(normally a mail server has mail coming in to deliver to local users - 
possibly on a local lan, or mail going out from local users to the outside 
world - what you want to prevent is mail coming and and being send out 
again).  Most have simple ways of doing that.

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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

2003-10-20 Thread Dave Howorth

Mark Roach wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 07:06, Dave Howorth wrote:
dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev, python 
(>=2.3), python2.3-dev, libpng2-dev, libtiff3g-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | 
libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev, libesd0-dev
dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.

The general question is why the dependencies weren't picked up when I 
did the apt-get source?  And is there in principle a general way to 
resolve them or do I have to apt-get them all individually.
apt-get build-dep 
Thanks for that.

The specific question is why these particular dependencies are arising. 
The reason is that all of those wxwindows packages come from the same
source package. Why exactly did you decide that you needed to compile
the whole thing again?
The full story is in the previous messages, which I trimmed to save 
bandwidth :)  But briefly, I need wxWindows to be able to build a 
specific non-Debian application. wxWindows is not supported on Woody, 
which is what I run. Hence, I need to compile it.  Not sure what you 
mean by again?

Cheers, Dave

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Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-10-20 Thread Stephen Cormier

On October 20, 2003 09:18 am, News Admin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can't I _force_ the XServer to load the module somehow? Or
> is the nvidia kernel module omitted in some script so that
> it doesn't load (e.g. /etc/modules.conf)? Am I confusing the
> `nvidia.o' kernel module with the nvidia X driver?
>
> Thanx.

Have you added this to /etc/modutils/aliases and then ran update-modules?

# Added by me for Nvidia card
alias char-major-195 nvidia




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Re: nvidia drivers & kernel headers

2003-10-20 Thread John Yurcik

Thank you for the answers.I did look at the read me a
nvidia and it didn't illuminate what would solve this.
(I upgraded my video card and then had Xserver failure
in debian.) Anyway here is the results of uname -a &
my /usr/src/. 

Sorry I am having some problem- I can't copy and paste
from  kword to the browser, and I can do that in the
other linux distro's I have. Is there something I can
do about that? I mean I can copy and paste within a
document in debian but it doesn't see the copy from a
different application or document. I have to copy to a
floppy and start up in knoppix to get the info here.
(:

--- "Scott C. Linnenbringer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:50:17 -0700 (PDT), John
> Yurcik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: 
> 
> > I thought of this after I sent this out, but would
> > upgrading to testing resolve this problem? Knoppix
> 3.3
> > will "see" the video card I'm trying to install,
> and
> > Debian stable doesn't.
> 
> In this case, not at all. This is a kernel and
> driver issue, not
> anything that would require upgrading your system
> (including XFree, gcc
> and any assorted libraries.)
> 
> If Knoppix can get your video card working, then
> it's very possible to
> do this in Debian. In fact, if Knoppix can do it
> right out of the box,
> it can be done, it's just a matter of doing it. 
> 
> My suggestion is to just doublecheck what kernel you
> have installed
> (with 'uname -a') and what kernel headers you have
> symlinked to
> /usr/src/linux.
> 
> You can also just pass the location of the headers,
> without them being
> in /usr/src/linux, in the NVIDIA installer. I don't
> remember what the
> argument is, but it should be like:
> 
> # ./NVIDIA_installer.sh --with-headers
> /usr/src/kernel-headers-*
> 
> whereas adjusted accordingly, (--with-headers might
> be something
> different, not sure of the exact syntax.)
> 
> 
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RE: Decent browsers for Linux? Anything to replace IE?

2003-10-20 Thread Wathen, Metherion

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff McAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: Steve C. Lamb
> Cc: Debian-User (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: Decent browsers for Linux? Anything to replace IE?
> 
> 
> Steve C. Lamb wrote:
> 
> >>Get your eyes checked, Jeff, he asked if *IE* had 
> tabbed browsing.
> >>
> 
> Aw, crap...you're right.
> 
> My apologies.  Totally misread that.
> 

No prob.
Often misunderstood, gotten used to it have i :)

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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

Dave Howorth wrote:

The full story is in the previous messages, which I trimmed to save 
bandwidth :)  But briefly, I need wxWindows to be able to build a 
specific non-Debian application. wxWindows is not supported on Woody, 
which is what I run. Hence, I need to compile it.  Not sure what you 
mean by again?

Cheers, Dave


I've been thinking about it, and in your case it iw probably easier
build it from upstream and install it in /usr/local/.  Later, when
2.4 makes it into stable, you can just install those packages and then
remove your upstream libraries.
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Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500, 
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500, 
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500, 
> > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500, 
> > > > > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Pigeon writes:
> [snip]
> > > > Red China Communism came from where?  ;-)
> > > 
> > > So the idea came from Germany, and then got twisted from Marx's
> > > idea of revolt by workers in the Industrial Revolution to justifi-
> > > cation of mass starvation (in the 1950s) of peasants and then the
> > > Cultural Revolution, while Mao was living like an Emperor.
> > 
> > ..bravo, not bad.  Not at all bad.   ;-)
> > 
> > > Face it: where ever you go, there are people who are ambitious and
> > > hard working enough to move "up the ladder", whether that be in a
> > > semi-capitalistic or "communal" system, and a democracy/republic
> > > or an authoritarian state.  Every one else just wants their rice
> > > bowl.
> > 
> > ..yeah, billions is thrown into modifying rice genome to get it to
> > do what an avocado a day can do for your health, I dunno about the 
> > rest of mankind, myself I like exciting food, but I think I'd prefer
> > an avocado a day in a rice diet, over an 100% rice diet, especially 
> > if the rice is genetically modified to "do what an avocado a day 
> > can do for your health", but then again, that's just me.  ;-)
> 
> You're right, but, given the shrinking farm land from exploding
> populations, a food stuff that does double duty would be very useful.
> 
> Of course, a Modest Proposal to solve the population problem might
> be of some use.
 
..looks like it's being taken care of.

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Re: More on spam

2003-10-20 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 20 Oct 2003, Alan Chandler wrote:
> On Monday 20 October 2003 09:02, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> 
> > I've realized recently that I'm inadvertently sending out lots of spam.
> > I'd obviously wish to prevent this but how? I've been to the site you
> > recommend but I find the information there too complex for me to be sure
> > how to do it; it seems to be aimed at sysadmins of large sites and is
> > well above the head of a single user like me. I downloaded a small perl
> > script (Mail-SPF-Query-1.6) but I'm not clear how to use it. A simple
> > guide for the uninitiated would be useful.
> 
> Needs some more details, like why do you think you are sending out spam, what
> is your mail server (MTA) thats doing it?
> 
> If you have a badly configured MTA, it can act as a mail relay for others
> (normally a mail server has mail coming in to deliver to local users -
> possibly on a local lan, or mail going out from local users to the outside
> world - what you want to prevent is mail coming and and being send out
> again).  Most have simple ways of doing that.
> 
> 

I'm using exim4 now, having just changed from exim3, but it happens with
both of them. I hadn't changed any settings in ages so it can hardly be
the configuration. I'm not on a network; just a single user with a
dialup connection. I use spamprobe as a filter.

The problem has appeared in the last few weeks, since when I've been
seeing an increasing number of messages to say that outgoing mail has
not been delivered (see below for some examples). None of these are
messages I have sent myself (obviously). The failures are only a small
subset of the emails that are being sent, presumably "successfully",
because when I ran mailq this morning there were 20 or 30 spam messages
waiting to go (I deleted them manually, of course). I looked at these
before deleting them; they were a very mixed bunch indeed, so it can
hardly be just one spammer.

Some sample message failures:

-

Date: 20 Oct 2003 09:20:15 -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: failure notice
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at bud.indirect.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (qmail 95450 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2003 09:20:15 -
Received: from unknown (HELO 58.221.33.65.cfl.rr.com) (65.33.221.58)
  by 0 with SMTP; 20 Oct 2003 09:20:15 -
Received: from [246.152.52.238] by 58.221.33.65.cfl.rr.com with ESMTP id DF1E37F7CF8; 
Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:08:26 -0100
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Lilia Downs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Lilia Downs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Make your Penis Huge ccht acndym
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 03 09:08:26 GMT
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="E_AB_52_AC5F."
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

[text snipped]
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:04:45 +0200 (CEST)
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Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The original message was received at Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:04:40 +0200 (CEST)
from sif.komtel.net [212.7.128.165]

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:52:07 -0700
From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Subject: hi james how are you doing
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 03 04:46:06 GMT
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Re: X 4.3 mouse cursor

2003-10-20 Thread David Fokkema

On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 17:59, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 02:22:37PM +0200, David Fokkema said
> > Hi group,
> > 
> > I finally decided to try out mouse cursors in X 4.3. (Well, my brother
> > wanted to try them out and I wanted to do that the `debian' way).
> > Anyway, I ran
> > 
> > update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
> > 
> > and selected whiteglass. Restarted X server (to _really_ make sure I
> > even tried a reboot), but X isn't listening to me. My cursors are still
> > the old core cursors. What did I miss here?
> 
> I just set an X resource (to change it back to the default, in fact, the
> *glass ones drove me nuts)
> 
> Xcursor.theme:  core
> 
> Set it to whiteglass or redglass and restart X.

X seems to ignore this setting completely, :-( I have no idea what
causes this...

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Re: wxWindows + building from source in Debian

2003-10-20 Thread Mark Roach

On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:47, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Mark Roach wrote:
[...]
> >>The specific question is why these particular dependencies are arising. 
> > The reason is that all of those wxwindows packages come from the same
> > source package. Why exactly did you decide that you needed to compile
> > the whole thing again?
> 
> The full story is in the previous messages, which I trimmed to save 
> bandwidth :)  But briefly, I need wxWindows to be able to build a 
> specific non-Debian application. wxWindows is not supported on Woody, 
> which is what I run. Hence, I need to compile it.  Not sure what you 
> mean by again?

Ahh, gotcha. I meant "again" as in one more time for my feeble mind
which has forgotten :-)

That being the case, you could just grab the backport from this source

deb http://www.arrakis.es/~frigola/pyslsk woody/

I highly recommend apt-get.org for finding backported packages.

HTH

-Mark


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Epiphany.

2003-10-20 Thread David Palmer

Hello,

What risk do I run with apt-get remove epiphany (the game), without
disturbing epiphany the browser (with bookmarks).
Regards and thanks,

David.


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Re: uname -a & /usr/src/

2003-10-20 Thread John Yurcik

Thank you for the answers.I did look at the read me a
nvidia and it didn't illuminate what would solve this.
(I upgraded my video card and then had Xserver failure
in debian.) Anyway here is the results of uname -a &
my /usr/src/.  
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a 
Linux deblnx 2.4.18-k7 #1 Sun Apr 14 13:19:11 EST 2002
i686 unknown 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cd /usr/src/ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ ls 
kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-k7  linux  rpm 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ 
 



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cypsys - lpr -p deprecated?

2003-10-20 Thread David

After recently upgrading from stable to testing, I notice that the
command "lpr -p" no longer does prettyprinting.  In fact, with this
option, "ps ax" shows a "noprettyprint" specification.  I tried
"lpr -p1" to no avail.  "lpr -oprettyprint" still works.  The man page
still shows the -p option, although during a quick look at the CUPS
software user's guide, I couldn't find mention of the -p option.

Just wondering if anyone knows if this was an intentional change or not.


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Re: Where can I get lame for "testing"

2003-10-20 Thread David Z Maze

stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> lame appears in dselect, and I've tried to install it that way, but
> it does not install. I've tried apt-get install lame, and I get "No
> installation caidate"
>
> What can I do to fix this?

Use (DFSG-free, not patent-encumbered, royalty-free) oggenc, from the
vorbis-tools package, to create Ogg Vorbis files for compressed music.

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Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread ananymous

Hi!
I tried to install eclipse on my Debian SID box using:
apt-get install eclipse-sdk aclipse-jdk eclipse-platform

apt-get said that eclipse-platform depends on j2re1.4 or j2re1.3 or 
java2-runtime but these packages are not available.
How can I install eclipse?
And is there a deb package for Sun's jdk?
Thank you in advance!

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani

On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 06:08:33PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 04:59:08PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> I was aware of all your facts and reasonings before you spoke.
> We just part ways on our interpretation of the facts.
> 
> I'll repeat: anyplace people want to kill us, we want to kill them.

Then does that give people in Afghanistan and Iraq the right to attack
America? As it does seem that (some) Americans want to kill them.

> I defy anyone to say Iraq was not a place (some) people wanted to kill
> us.  Yes, there are other places that are our allies where *more* people
> want to kill us.  Yes, it pisses me off that we haven't caught the two 
> head guys yet.  Yes, Bin Laden is more important than Sadam.

The fact that "some" people want to kill you is not reason enough to
indiscriminately wage war on a country. In fact it is a bad idea from a
tactical point of view, as attacking someone will INCREASE their will to
kill you.

> You need to accept the premise that capriciousness and cruelty is part 
> of the strategy *without* believing that the end goal is world 
> domination, and *then* you'll understand why we're doing what were 
> doing.

Any strategy that uses cruelty and capriciousness is clearly not going
to make anyone love the cruel and capricious party (U.S. and allies).
Therefore that clearly must not be the reason that these tactics are
used. The Bush administration is not *that* stupid. 

(Bin Laden doesn't use cruelty to make people not want to kill him. He
uses it because he wants to start a holy war.)

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Re: Epiphany.

2003-10-20 Thread Jamin W. Collins

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:22:34PM +0800, David Palmer wrote:
> 
> What risk do I run with apt-get remove epiphany (the game), without
> disturbing epiphany the browser (with bookmarks).

Since the browser package is called "epiphany-browser" I would say
little-to-none.

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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread tb . 31020 . nospam

I'd like to stop this discussion :-)
you get in one more good reply and then I'm dropping it

> Then does that give people in Afghanistan and Iraq the right to attack
> America? As it does seem that (some) Americans want to kill them.

I said "we only want to kill them because they want to kill us"
if they stop, we stop
if they don't we don't
> 
> The fact that "some" people want to kill you is not reason enough to
> indiscriminately wage war on a country. In fact it is a bad idea from a
> tactical point of view, as attacking someone will INCREASE their will to
> kill you.

yeah but we're so powerful we'll win that's the point of wars

> Any strategy that uses cruelty and capriciousness is clearly not going
> to make anyone love the cruel and capricious party (U.S. and allies).
> Therefore that clearly must not be the reason that these tactics are
> used. The Bush administration is not *that* stupid. 

seems like we're already hated, what's the loss

> 
> (Bin Laden doesn't use cruelty to make people not want to kill him. He
> uses it because he wants to start a holy war.)
> 

we'd be glad to oblige him


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Re: X 4.3 mouse cursor

2003-10-20 Thread Stephen Cormier

On October 20, 2003 11:13 am, David Fokkema wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 17:59, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 02:22:37PM +0200, David Fokkema said
> >
> > > Hi group,
> > >
> > > I finally decided to try out mouse cursors in X 4.3. (Well, my brother
> > > wanted to try them out and I wanted to do that the `debian' way).
> > > Anyway, I ran
> > >
> > > update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
> > >
> > > and selected whiteglass. Restarted X server (to _really_ make sure I
> > > even tried a reboot), but X isn't listening to me. My cursors are still
> > > the old core cursors. What did I miss here?
> >
> > I just set an X resource (to change it back to the default, in fact, the
> > *glass ones drove me nuts)
> >
> > Xcursor.theme:  core
> >
> > Set it to whiteglass or redglass and restart X.
>
> X seems to ignore this setting completely, :-( I have no idea what
> causes this...
>
> David
I had the same problem when I upgraded to 4.3 and the cursor theme would not 
display, IIRC the packages xlibs and xlibs-dev on my machine were not 
upgraded to the 4.3 versions  I installed them and re-started the server it 
worked.



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ah shit mutt mistake

ah shit i was trying to take it offline my bad


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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:22:08AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:59:08 -0400, 
> Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote:
> 
> ..really?  ;-)
> 
> > > > ..as in;  "Where _is_ Osama and Saddam?".  And playing the 
> > > > "west bank settler" games on the Iraqis, is _not_ gonna help.
> 
> > By waging war on Iraq when there was no clear link between Iraq and Al
> > Quaeda and when there was no clear evidence of weapons of mass
> > destruction, the U.S. wanted to show that they can wage war without
> > even making up semi-coherent reasons. I mean Bush kept
> > flip-flopping:
> > This is about weapons of mass destruction,
> > then
> > This is about terrorism
> > then
> > This is about regime change
> 
> ..the removal of _any_ "terrorist" war criminal regime 
> is a requirement to _any_ legal regime:  Check out
>  "Art. 85 Repression of breaches of this Protocol",
>  "Art. 86 Failure to act",
>  "Art. 87 Duty of commanders",
>  "Art. 88 Mutual assistance in criminal matters",
>  "Art. 89 Co-operation" and
>  "Art. 90 International Fact-Finding Commission"  of
> http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebCONVART?OpenView&Start=1&Count=150&Expand=5#5

You quoted:
Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and
relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts
(Protocol I), 8 June 1977.

This is for the protection of victims in international armed conflicts,
in other words this applies to wars.

The breaches that you mention are all things that are banned in war.
That's what all those articles are about: *war* and not *terrorism*.

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Re: fetchmail/exim chokes on a message...

2003-10-20 Thread Sanchez the Cactus

I'm already using latest fetchmail from unstable, so that's likely not the
problem.  I've switched over to using /sbin/sendmail, and so far no problems,
we'll see if it stays that way.

thanks for the help!

--- Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:47:01AM -0700, Sanchez the Cactus wrote:
> > I'm currently using fetchmail set up as a daemon to gather mail from
> > various email accounts and deliver them on my system.  default exim3
> > is installed, and users have .procmailrc files to direct mails to a
> > local Maildir.
> 
> If you are running testing/unstable, upgrade to new version may help
> solve the issue.
> 
> See bug report http://bugs.debian.org/146690 and others.  It is August
> fix.
> 
> Otherwise dman's solution seems good.

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Re: Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread Csuthy Gabor

Hi!

Try to download eclipse from http://eclipse.org/downloads/index.php
and java (java2sdk) from http://java.sun.com and
install them whithout using apt-get.

Good luck!

Lanten



> Hi!
> I tried to install eclipse on my Debian SID box using:
>
> apt-get install eclipse-sdk aclipse-jdk eclipse-platform
>
> apt-get said that eclipse-platform depends on j2re1.4 or j2re1.3 or
> java2-runtime but these packages are not available.
> How can I install eclipse?
> And is there a deb package for Sun's jdk?
> Thank you in advance!


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Re: Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread Jan Schulz

Hallo!

* ananymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> apt-get install eclipse-sdk aclipse-jdk eclipse-platform
> And is there a deb package for Sun's jdk?

search for mpkg-j2sdk and use a *-bin download. This will hopefully
become teh defauld method for installing a unfree java. See
debian-java for the discussion about this subject...

Jan

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Re: More on spam

2003-10-20 Thread Paul Johnson

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On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 10:47:57PM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> Why does debian.org expose end-users email addresses for spammers or 
> virus-spreaders to utilize?

Because there are readily available, easily implimented solutions to
both problems that don't involve hindering legitimate response.
Because Debian is an open community and doing so would be hypocritical.

Go get sa-exim and impliment my solution to reject viruses at SMTP and
none of this is an issue anymore.
http://ursine.ca/~baloo/

Stop trying to fix the problem by changing everyone else, instead,
secure your system against these kinds of attacks.  Duh.

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Re: Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread Johannes Zarl

> apt-get said that eclipse-platform depends on j2re1.4 or j2re1.3 or
> java2-runtime but these packages are not available.
> How can I install eclipse?
> And is there a deb package for Sun's jdk?

You could look into the equivs package, use it to set up a dummy-package 
for j2re1.4 and then install eclipse.

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Re: Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread Harshwardhan Nagaonkar

Csuthy Gabor wrote:

Hi!

Try to download eclipse from http://eclipse.org/downloads/index.php
and java (java2sdk) from http://java.sun.com and
install them whithout using apt-get.


I've personally got the .rpm package from sun's website and then 
converted it into a .deb using 'alien'. Although there's no guarantee it 
will work well, generally alien does a really good job and I've had no 
problems with it so far.

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Thanks Pigeon for Your mailfilterrc

2003-10-20 Thread Thomas H. George

The dialog on spam has become so lenghty I am afraid you would never see 
my thank you note there.

My copy of mailfilter (testing) did not like those line continuations so 
I had to convert to individual entries - no problem after you had done 
all the work. After the conversion your mailfilterrc worked like a charm 
and the deluge of 70 ms mail bombs a day is gone.

Just wanted you to know how much I appreciated your posting.

Tom George



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Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL

2003-10-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:04:20AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Then does that give people in Afghanistan and Iraq the right to attack
> > America? As it does seem that (some) Americans want to kill them.
> 
> I said "we only want to kill them because they want to kill us"
> if they stop, we stop
> if they don't we don't

That doesn't answer my question...

> > The fact that "some" people want to kill you is not reason enough to
> > indiscriminately wage war on a country. In fact it is a bad idea from a
> > tactical point of view, as attacking someone will INCREASE their will to
> > kill you.
> 
> yeah but we're so powerful we'll win that's the point of wars

Yes of course the world's biggest military power will win over nothing
countries like Afghanistan and Iraq! But even if you win the war you
still INCREASE people's resentment against the U.S. So besides killing
thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis, and some U.S. soldiers on the side,
and INCREASING the number of terrorist attacks, which are all negative,
what do these wars accomplish, besides showing the world how ruthless
the American army is.

> > Any strategy that uses cruelty and capriciousness is clearly not going
> > to make anyone love the cruel and capricious party (U.S. and allies).
> > Therefore that clearly must not be the reason that these tactics are
> > used. The Bush administration is not *that* stupid. 
> 
> seems like we're already hated, what's the loss

Spend billions of dollars, and a good deal of human life, and become
EVEN MORE HATED.

> > 
> > (Bin Laden doesn't use cruelty to make people not want to kill him. He
> > uses it because he wants to start a holy war.)
> > 
> 
> we'd be glad to oblige him

The question to ask is who will gain from this?

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installing Debian...

2003-10-20 Thread Jukka Salmi

Hello,

every now and then I install Debian on new ix86 machines (Dell PowerEdge).
They often have hardware which is not yet supported by the kernels of the
official stable Debian release 3.0r1. So far I was using an unofficial
"stable" netinst boot CD to install the OS.
I also tried a few testing CDs (official and unofficial, downloaded using
jigdo), but without success: segfaults when selecting keyboard layout, etc.

What I'd like to have is a bootable Debian CD with a recent kernel and a
working setup program. What's the easiest way to get / create such a CD?


Help is appreciated!

TIA, Jukka

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Re: More on spam

2003-10-20 Thread Alfredo Valles

On Monday 20 October 2003 11:23 am, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Stop trying to fix the problem by changing everyone else, instead,
> secure your system against these kinds of attacks.  Duh.

He is not trying to change everyone else, he's trying to change this list 
defaults. I think that the decision of making the email address public should 
be made by the subscriber. 

Let people decide, stop thinking for us.

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anti-spam idea for this list

2003-10-20 Thread Alfredo Valles


Would it be too difficult to use fuzzy images of the mail addresses instead of 
the text of the addresses itself to prevent programs from massively 
collecting address from the web archives of this list?

I think that this method works because yahoo mail use it to prevent programs 
from creating accounts. 
If yahoo have solved their problem this way this list can too.


Alfredo


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Re: installing Debian...

Jukka Salmi wrote:
Hello,

every now and then I install Debian on new ix86 machines (Dell PowerEdge).
They often have hardware which is not yet supported by the kernels of the
official stable Debian release 3.0r1. So far I was using an unofficial
"stable" netinst boot CD to install the OS.
I also tried a few testing CDs (official and unofficial, downloaded using
jigdo), but without success: segfaults when selecting keyboard layout, etc.
What I'd like to have is a bootable Debian CD with a recent kernel and a
working setup program. What's the easiest way to get / create such a CD?
Download Knoppix.  It has a 2.4.22 kernel, chroot and debootstrap.  You
can then do a chroot install:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade
http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall
You can get stable and then drop the latest 2.4 kernel in there.

HTH,

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Re: Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread Csuthy Gabor


> I've personally got the .rpm package from sun's website and then
> converted it into a .deb using 'alien'. Although there's no guarantee it
> will work well, generally alien does a really good job and I've had no
> problems with it so far.

First I used a .bin install file, downloaded from sun's website and for a
long time it worked fine.
But I made a system upgrade half year ago and I got a dependency problem
and since then I use blackdown java (from http://www.blackdown.org/)
without any problem.


Lanten



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Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]

2003-10-20 Thread Nori Heikkinen

on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:40:19PM +0200, David Jardine insinuated:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:56:37AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > csj wrote:
> >
> > >[...]
> > >
> > >Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
> > >the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
> > >tolerant language.  But if the same standard for proper German is
> > >applied to what one considers proper English, then yes, German is
> > >easier to learn.  It's a purer, therefore more consistent
> > >language, than the French-infected English.
> > 
> >   purity has nothing to do with it (not sure what you mean by
> > pure). 

good point -- languages by definition evolve, and the notion of a
"pure" language is utterly ridiculous and meaningless.

> > not sure what your agenda is. english is a a lot simpler than
> > german, 

in what sense?  to learn?  to master?  to write basic sentences in?
to write novels in?  to read novels in?

the two are apples and oranges, my friend, especially when you're
dealing with something that no one can have an objective point of view
on, given different native languages. 

> > the usage of words is simple, the grammar is simple.
> > 
> Depends what you mean by purity.  By European language standards
> it's fairly pure in the sense of not being cluttered up with things
> like redundant inflections, but this is probably because it is
> impure in the sense of having been knocked around by neighbouring
> languages and dialects until there's not much left of it apart from
> what's really necessary to communicate.

you're kidding, right?  if i read you right, you're stating that
"there's not much left of [English] apart from what's really necessary
to communicate"?  on the contrary -- it's one of the richest, least
threadbare languages there is!

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Re: anti-spam idea for this list

2003-10-20 Thread John Hasler

Alfredo writes:
> Would it be too difficult to use fuzzy images of the mail addresses
> instead of the text of the addresses itself to prevent programs from
> massively collecting address from the web archives of this list?

> I think that this method works because yahoo mail use it to prevent
> programs from creating accounts.

It also blocks blind people and anyone else using non-graphical software.

> If yahoo have solved their problem this way this list can too.

Yahoo doesn't care about accessibility.
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Re: Searching for an editor...

2003-10-20 Thread csj

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:05:02 -0400,
Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> 

[...]

> And as in all open source projects, it's not necessarily the
> same people working on Emacs than on the Hurd.  You can't tell
> Emacs developers to stop and work on something else instead.

Unless The Hurd could be implemented as a set of elisp routines
running atop the Emacs *MACRO*kernel ;-).


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Re: convert jpg pages to pdf file

2003-10-20 Thread Mihalis I. Tsoukalos

On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 05:21:35PM +0100, Jason Chambers wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 08:05:19AM -0700, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:19:27 +0300
> > "Mihalis I. Tsoukalos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear list,
> > > I have the following question:
> > > 
> > > I have some scanned pages in jpg format. I want to convert them in one
> > > pdf file. How can I do this?
> > > 
> > > many thanks in advance,
> > > Mihalis
> > > 
> > 
> > One way, though a number of steps.
> > 
> > Open the file in your favorite editor/viewer (gimp), and then print to
> > file *.ps. 
> > 
> > After that run ps2pdf *.ps, and you have a PDF files of the pic
> > 
> 
> Or convert from the Imagemagick package:
> 
>  $ convert -page a4 *.jpg foo.pdf

I did that and works fine.

The only problem that I have is that the jpg images are not very sharp
so I have to auto-levels or auto-shard them in Adobe Photoshop.

Is there any way to do the same in Linux?

Apart from this, the Linux way is better as I don't have to interfere with GUIs
and that kind of things :-)

many thanks,
Mihalis.


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Re: More on spam

2003-10-20 Thread Monique Y. Herman

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 at 14:03 GMT, Anthony Campbell penned:
> 
> The problem has appeared in the last few weeks, since when I've been
> seeing an increasing number of messages to say that outgoing mail has
> not been delivered (see below for some examples). None of these are
> messages I have sent myself (obviously). The failures are only a small
> subset of the emails that are being sent, presumably "successfully",
> because when I ran mailq this morning there were 20 or 30 spam
> messages waiting to go (I deleted them manually, of course). I looked
> at these before deleting them; they were a very mixed bunch indeed, so
> it can hardly be just one spammer.
> 

I'm pretty sure that the messages you're receiving simply indicate that
a spammer is spoofing your address in their From field.

If you want to be sure you're not acting as an open relay, you can go to
http://www.ordb.org/submit/
and submit your mail server.  Note: if you *are* acting as an open
relay, they will put you on their list until you clean up your act, and
in the meantime some mail servers might not accept your mail.

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Re: convert jpg pages to pdf file

2003-10-20 Thread Mihalis I. Tsoukalos

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:07:54PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:53:52AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> 
> > > > I have some scanned pages in jpg format. I want to convert them in one
> > > > pdf file. How can I do this?
> 
> Sorry, I did not follow the earlier part of this thread.  I would
> create a latex-document including the jpg-files as images and then run
> pdflatex on it.
> 
> Regards.
> Johann
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Have you got any LaTeX templates on doing this?
I care about things like auto-size the jpg files.

many thanks,
Mihalis.

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mouse

2003-10-20 Thread Marlin Unruh

Hi,

I just installed debian 3.0r1 and the mouse will not work. I have a serial
track ball with a PS/2 adapter, and have it plugged into the PS/2 port. The
track ball is a Kensington Expert Mouse.

Do I need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? If so what should I try for
the settings?

Device:
Protocol:

Is there a utility that would help configure the mouse.

How do you open the menu without the mouse working, with hot keys?

-marlin unruh



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Re: HELP - dpkg status file was lost

2003-10-20 Thread Seneca

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 05:57:41PM +1000, Richard Brooks wrote:
> After having repaired the partition, and losing a few crashed sectors
> along the way . . .   I lost the status file for dpkg/dselect/apt-get.
> 
> Now - I cannot do any dselect/apt-get/dpkg operations without a
> segmentation fault (which doesn't need a reset)  or it tells me to run
> dpkg --configure -a to fix it - which won't work.
> 
> Is there any way to re-make the status file ?

Is /var/lib/dpkg/status-old intact?

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Re: anti-spam idea for this list

2003-10-20 Thread Alfredo Valles

On Monday 20 October 2003 12:23 pm, John Hasler wrote:
> > Would it be too difficult to use fuzzy images of the mail addresses
> > instead of the text of the addresses itself to prevent programs from
> > massively collecting address from the web archives of this list?
> >
> > I think that this method works because yahoo mail use it to prevent
> > programs from creating accounts.
>
> It also blocks blind people and anyone else using non-graphical software.
>

Lets see, 99% of this list's users are not blind (I hope). 

Maybe some blind debian user have some other proposal to make?
But I think that even a blind person can see that something should be done 
with Swen and the spamers.



>
> > If yahoo have solved their problem this way this list can too.
>
> Yahoo doesn't care about accessibility.


At least yahoo care about making life easier to their users.

Alfredo


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Re: mouse

2003-10-20 Thread Rob Weir

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:29:31AM -0600, Marlin Unruh said
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed debian 3.0r1 and the mouse will not work. I have a serial
> track ball with a PS/2 adapter, and have it plugged into the PS/2 port. The
> track ball is a Kensington Expert Mouse.
> 
> Do I need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? 

Yes.

> If so what should I try for the settings?
> 
> Device:

/dev/psaux

> Protocol:

Depends.  Does the README.Mouse mention it?

> Is there a utility that would help configure the mouse.

mdetect.

> How do you open the menu without the mouse working, with hot keys?

Depends on what you're talking about.  KDE? GNOME?

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Re: Eclipse installation: j2re1.4 has no installation candidate (Debian SID)

2003-10-20 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 04:25:26PM +0200, ananymous wrote:

| And is there a deb package for Sun's jdk?

http://www.blackdown.org/

( deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ sid main non-free )
( deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/
sid main non-free )

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Re: mouse

Marlin Unruh wrote:
Hi,

I just installed debian 3.0r1 and the mouse will not work. I have a serial
track ball with a PS/2 adapter, and have it plugged into the PS/2 port. The
track ball is a Kensington Expert Mouse.
Do I need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? If so what should I try for
the settings?
Device:
Protocol:
Is there a utility that would help configure the mouse.

How do you open the menu without the mouse working, with hot keys?

-marlin unruh



How about posting your current XF86Config-4 file?

-Roberto


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Re: anti-spam idea for this list

2003-10-20 Thread Paul Johnson

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> At least yahoo care about making life easier to their users.

Your idea of "easier" does not reflect that of the open source
community, apparently.

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Re: Epiphany.

2003-10-20 Thread David Z Maze

David Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What risk do I run with apt-get remove epiphany (the game), without
> disturbing epiphany the browser (with bookmarks).

What I'd suggest you do:

(0) Install aptitude, if you haven't yet.

(1) Start aptitude.

(2) Press '/', type "ephiphany" in the box that comes up.  This will
search for packages with "epiphany" in their name; pressing '\'
will find the next one.

(3) Check that you've found the right package.  With the default
setup, the package description will be displayed in the bottom
half of the screen; you can also press enter to see the full
description and dependencies.

(4) Press '-' to remove (or '_' to purge) the package.

(5) Press 'g'; aptitude will display what it's going to do.  (Press
'q' if it's wrong.)

(6) Press 'g' to make it go.

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Re: how could Packages mention files that don't exist yet?

2003-10-20 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson

On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 12:52:24PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
| How do the mirrors work? 

I don't really know, but I have some guesses.

| Are the Packages files always copied last, to ensure all the
| versions mentioned in them already exist on the disk when you try to
| get them?

I don't think so.

| In what cases could an hours old Packages file mention packages that
| apparently haven't been copied to the mirror yet? E.g.
| http://debian.linux.org.tw/debian/pool/main/f/file/file_4.06-1_i386.deb:
| ERROR 404: Not Found.

I've seen this several times when a package is brand new, and the
Packages file was just updated to include it, but a mirror hasn't
copied it yet.  For example, I use "http.us.debian.org" as my mirror.
That name refers to something like 6 different machines around the
country.  Some are updated sooner than others, so I might get a
Packages file that lists a package that one (or more) of the mirrors
doesn't have yet.  When that happens I either exercise patience and
install the package later, or repeatedly run 'aptitude install' on the
command line until it hits a/the mirror that has the .deb.

-D

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