Re: gdm setup returns error

[Roberto Sanchez]

Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
gdm installation in sid returns error code (1). gdm works fine though.

Siddhesh.


You probably want to report that to bugs.debian.org, rather than posting 
 it to the mailing list.

-Roberto


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[steef]

steef wrote:

> .hey out there,
>
> can somebody tell me how come:
>
> - installing woody_kernelvariant bf2.4; taskel does not give the 
possibility to install Xwindows  a f t e r having installed debian security 
packages. so apt cannot get the Xwindowspackages from the (ftp) server.
>
> when i install woody, bf24 w i t h o u t security packages all goes well:, 
normal.
>
> does somebody has an idea what causes this blockade?
>
> [tried this out on three completely different machines with vanilla && as 
well with the same results as for bf24]
>

Hopefully somone comes back with a good answer soon. Until then, I just wanted 
to confirm that I have installed woody on a number of machines initially using 
the bf2.4 kernel and installed the xserver-xfree86 package.

Are you installing using another kernel package, then selecting the vf2.4 and 
xserver-?

Have you tried installing from a base-install source that has the bf2.4 kernel?

What xserver package are you trying to install? xserver-xfree86?

What server are you using for your local debian mirror? 
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/ ?

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.  no, jacob, i am not using another than the standard kernel-package 
for woody stable,

yes i did that, if you mean a so called 'short' cdrom which i downloaded from 
the internet with the base-package && kernel modules (sound, scsi em.  etc.)

yes, the standard package as well, i think, xserver-xfree86, which apt-get 
gets from the ftp-server,

yes, i am using our local ftp: ...ftp.nl.debian.org

thank you for your reaction,

steef

thank you jacob, for your reaction.

















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Re: A novice having trouble with X window on install

[Neo]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:19, Charles Forelle wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm in the midst of my first ever installation of Debian and I'm having
> trouble with the graphical interface. I've completed the process (installing
> the bf2.4 flavor with only desktop environment picked in tasksel -- I chose
> not to run dselect yet). The install complete with a text log-in prompt. I
> can login OK, both as the normal user I created and as root. But when I
> reboot, I get a message right after the login prompt appears that says:
> 
> I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it
> is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to
> diagnose the problem?
> 
> My choices: Yes or No.
> 
> I pick Yes and get a blank gray box. My only choice is EXIT, which I pick.
> Then it says:
> 
> Would you like me to try to run the X configuration program? Note that you
> will need the root password for this.
> 
> I pick Yes and give the root password. Then I get:
> 
> I will now try to restart the X server again.
> 
> I pick OK, and after a second or two pause, I'm back to the original I
> cannot start the X server... message, whence I end up in an endless loop.
> 
> Help! I'm totally flummoxed. Does anyone have a sense of what's gone wrong?
> 
> With thanks,
> 
> Charles.
> 

Hi Charles,

I've had similar problems, usually turned out the driver
for my graphics card wasn't selected properly. I solve it as 
following: run 'lspci' from a prompt as root and find out your
actual graphics card, modify  the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, section
"Device" option "Driver" accordingly by hand and work from there.
'man 5 XF86Config-4' should give directions. "Driver" refers to
files at /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/*_drv.o
Falling back on "vga" is a possibility. Make a copy of your 
original XF86Config-4!

Sincerely,

Jan.



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bl question

[steef]

......I worked earlier with grub (on caldera-distro's). debian 3.0 
(woody0 works fine with lilo and gives during the install process all the 
choices you need,

ch.,

steef



Subject:
boot loader question
From:
Jason Housewright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
Greetings all.

I am looking at possibly moving to Debian; I have a
question about the boot loader. I have used grub for
quite a while now. What is the default bl for Debian,
and if one is preferred over the other, is it
difficult to switch? Thanks in advance for any help
and/or for directing me to helpful sources.
J. Brad



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Re: Replace HDD

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:00:44 -0600, Jacob Anawalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
penned:
> Joyce, Matthew wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have an old pc running Debian Woody and I have 2 questions.
>> 
>> Firstly, the hard drive ios quite old and become quite noisy, I suspect it
>> is on the way out.  What is the easiest way to replace it ?  It only have 2
>> partions, one of them a swap.  The new drive is slightly bigger.
>> 
>> 
> 

These are my notes from when I moved my old 2 gig install to a 20 gigger.
Please let me know if it's helpful (or just confusing).

1.  Partition the new hard drive.  GNU's "parted" is pretty spiff.
http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html
http://www.gnu.org/manual/parted-1.6.1/html_mono/parted.html

2.  Boot using a linux floppy.  You don't want to deal with trying to copy a
system that's in motion.  Copy your stuff over.  Use "cp -a orig/* new" to
preserve symbolic links.

3.  Edit lilo.conf carefully.  All device values should be set to where they
*will* be after you boot, not to where they are now on the IDE chain.  (Maybe
the new drive is currently at /dev/hdc, but if it will be on the first IDE
slot in the finished state, set the value to /dev/hda.)  Set "boot" to the
drive to which you'll be writing the MBR.  Set "root" to the partition that
will be set to "/".  Make sure that "image" points to a file that will point
to a real location and will be within the first 2G of the drive.  (Not sure
that is necessary, but why take chances?)

If the new hard drive is not on the same spot on the IDE as it will be when
you're through, use the "-b" argument to lilo. (I.E., if your lilo.conf says
"boot=/dev/hda" but at the moment the new drive is on /dev/hdc, use "lilo -b
/dev/hdc" so that you don't clobber your old drive.)

4.  Edit fstab carefully.  All device values should be set to where they
*will* be after you boot, not where they are now on the IDE chain.

5.  Mount the new root partition somewhere.  Mount any other partitions that
you will need for lilo (i.e., /etc and /boot) beneath it.  Run "chroot
/new_root /sbin/lilo" (if the drive isn't in the location specified in "boot"
of lilo.conf, use the "-b" argument).

6.  Reboot.  Make sure the new drive is in the place specified in fstab and
lilo.conf.

Errors:  If you get a lilo error, doublecheck "boot" and "root" in lilo.conf.

dd will cause the partition to think it's the size of the original partition
-- don't do this unless you're creating an identical copy on an identical
drive.

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Freed disc space.

[David Palmer .]

I don't know if anyone is interested, but I downloaded sylpheed-claws last night, and 
to install I had to trade off on some dependencies.
Libpspell4, I think it was that was needed, but to install it, I had to uninstall all 
of the Koffice suite, abiword-common and gnome, Gnome itself and gnome base, gaim, 
balsa,pan, and a few other things, but I've still got a fully functional Open Office, 
and I was able to get rid of the fat pig Kmail while still keeping Konqueror as a file 
and web browser.
So if you want to save yourself over 80MB of drive space, it could be the way to go.
Kernel version 2.4.21.
Regards,

David.


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Re: boot loader question

[Naitik Shah]

Debian doesn't lock you to any one boot loader. You can apt-get lilo or apt-get grub 
and you'll have the one of your choice!

Naitik.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
Jason Housewright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings all.
> 
> I am looking at possibly moving to Debian; I have a
> question about the boot loader. I have used grub for
> quite a while now. What is the default bl for Debian,
> and if one is preferred over the other, is it
> difficult to switch? Thanks in advance for any help
> and/or for directing me to helpful sources.
> 
> J. Brad
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Re: Root path question

[Naitik Shah]

One possibility might be the fact that when you su, I believe .bashrc gets executed, 
and .bash_profile does not, as it isn't a login shell. Whereas when you login (or 
alternatively do: su -c "bash --login" ) .bash_profile gets run. So depending on the 
paths each of these set, your path could possibly vary in a login / non-login shell.

Naitik.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:56:49 +0200
Neo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 21:20, Steve Doerr wrote:
> > I'm confused about root's bash profile.  In vt1, the directories /sbin & 
> > /usr/local/sbin are excluded from the path.  If I su to root within 
> > Gnome or KDE in a terminal they are there.
> > 
> > I'm not sure why there isn't a common bash profile for root in vt1 vs. 
> > vt7.  Where would the two be located?  Within vt1, will 
> > PATH=/dir1:/dir2:/diretc/:$PATH add it permanently?
> > 
> > Thanks for any input,
> > Steve
> > 
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
>   if you find out, I would like to know too! Tanks.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Jan.
> 
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Re: boot loader question

[Clive Menzies]

On (03/10/03 23:05), Jason Housewright wrote:
> Greetings all.
> 
> I am looking at possibly moving to Debian; I have a
> question about the boot loader. I have used grub for
> quite a while now. What is the default bl for Debian,
> and if one is preferred over the other, is it
> difficult to switch? Thanks in advance for any help
> and/or for directing me to helpful sources.
> 
Lilo is the default boot loader but Grub is preferred by many.  We use
Lilo for servers that only use Debian and Grub for multiboot Pc's.  For
my Mac G4 I use Yaboot.

HTH

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[Philippe AUDEOUD]

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Re: boot loader question

[Michael C.]

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:30:15 +0200,
Jason Housewright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Greetings all.
>  
>  I am looking at possibly moving to Debian; I have a
>  question about the boot loader. I have used grub for
>  quite a while now. What is the default bl for Debian,
>  and if one is preferred over the other, is it
>  difficult to switch? Thanks in advance for any help
>  and/or for directing me to helpful sources.
>
As of 3.0r1 I believe it was still LILO,  the key thing to remember is
to run lilo after editing /etc/lilo.conf or modifying the partition
table.  Documention is extensive, but if the install doesn't set up
windows, there is a fairly self explanatory example of how to set it up
in the config file.

I haven't gotten a handle on grub, but I've been using lilo for several
years longer than grub has been around.  Debian's lilo.conf contains
more comments than you'll need to tweak it however you want.

I don't recall if grub is available when installing, if not, installing
it after the fact is trivial anyway. 

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Re: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?

[Michael C.]

In linux.debian.user,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>  A!
>  
>  I don't care if Linux has 90% desktop share, there's no way that an
>  auto-running (or double-click-needing) email virus is going to aff-
>  ect me, unless the people who write the MUA that I happen to be using
>  at the time *design* the MUA to do such a thing.
>  
>  But that won't happen.  Why?  Market forces, the way Adam Smith said
>  they should: when users find out about that bit of imbecility, they'll
>  move en masse to a different MUA.

Such an MUA wouldn't be designed for us, but for clueless newbies that
believe that it's supposed to work that way.  And the people who know
better will run, but it will in fact attract idiots that think, "Wow,
it's just as easy as windows!", and the idiots will always hold the
majority.

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Re: knx-hdinstall vs dist-upgrade. taking bets.

[Joan Tur]

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Es Divendres 03 Octubre 2003 23:11, en S. Loisel va escriure:
> Starting from Knoppix 3.3, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade does
> something reasonable looking, but apt-get dist-upgrade downloads
> hundreds of megabytes, uninstalls most of my OS, and then leaves it in
> an unusable, non-gui state.
Knoppix uses testing by default (info about default debian version is at /etc/
apt/apt.conf).  I installed Knoppix 3.2, changed "testing" to "unstable", 
added # to any non-unstable source and run apt-get update && apt-get 
dist-upgrade with  no problem   ;)

Hope that helps  ;)
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Re: [OT] kernel versioning: extra suffixes

[Jerome BENOIT]

Thanks for the reply

Marc Wilson wrote:
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 05:54:25PM +0300, Jerome BENOIT wrote:

where can we find the meaning of the extra suffixes for the kernel 
vesrioning (e.g, -ac, -preN, -bkN) ?


Not sure that there's even a canonical list, or that there would need to be
since these are rather obvious, after all...
Anyway:

-ac = an Alan Cox kernel, usually numbered
-preN   = a pre-release kernel, #N in a series
-bkN= a BitKeeper snapshot, #N in a series
As the versioning of the kernel is very rational I though that
the extra suffixes was very rational as well: I was confused for
both `-ac' (Aternating Current or ACtinum ?) and `-bk' (BeRkelium ?),
`-pre' being rather obvious indeed.
Thanks,
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Re: Virus-infected hosts list

[Michael C.]

In linux.debian.user,
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I've started a virus infected hosts list that is net-lsearchable.
>  It's available at http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ and is updated when I get
>  more virus infected email or requests for removal.  If I get a lot of
>  interest, I might make an RBL out of it.

You realize of course that probably 60-70% are dynamic IPs. For example:

212.216.176.206 212.216.176.221 212.216.176.222 212.216.176.223
212.216.176.224 212.227.126.251

Are probably one or two people.  My ISP usually increments the last
number of my IP by one if I disconnect and reconnect.  It's some poor
sap, that can't understand why his connection is so fscking slow, and
thinks if he disconnects and reconnects he'll get a better connection.

Tommorrow someone else will be assigned those same IPs and you'll be
blocking them even if they were never vulnerable to begin with.

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Re: A novice having trouble with X window on install

[Michael C.]

In linux.debian.user,
Charles Forelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Hello all,
>  
>  I'm in the midst of my first ever installation of Debian and I'm having
>  trouble with the graphical interface. I've completed the process (installing
>  the bf2.4 flavor with only desktop environment picked in tasksel -- I chose
>  not to run dselect yet). The install complete with a text log-in prompt. I
>  can login OK, both as the normal user I created and as root. But when I
>  reboot, I get a message right after the login prompt appears that says:
>  
>  I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it
>  is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to
>  diagnose the problem?
>  
>  My choices: Yes or No.
>  
>  I pick Yes and get a blank gray box. My only choice is EXIT, which I pick.
>  Then it says:
>  
>  Would you like me to try to run the X configuration program? Note that you
>  will need the root password for this.
>  
>  I pick Yes and give the root password. Then I get:
>  
>  I will now try to restart the X server again.
>  
>  I pick OK, and after a second or two pause, I'm back to the original I
>  cannot start the X server... message, whence I end up in an endless loop.
>  
>  Help! I'm totally flummoxed. Does anyone have a sense of what's gone wrong?
>  
First, CTRL+ALT+F2, login as root type 

init 3

when it stops spitting messages out,

xf86config

answer the questions, save, and use

startx `which twm`

to test. 

HTH,

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Knoppix as a debian cd

[ralph bacolod]

Hi! I have woody installed in my home computer but i
want to try a more up to date apps such as newer gnome
,kde and 00. Problem is i dont have broadband so
downloading is out of the question.
Is it possible to get packages from a knoppix cd? I
heard its debian based so maybe the packages are
debs,am i right?

please cc me . Im not subscribed.

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Re: Virus-infected hosts list

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:43:42AM -0400, Michael C. wrote:
> In linux.debian.user,
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  I've started a virus infected hosts list that is net-lsearchable.
> >  It's available at http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ and is updated when I get
> >  more virus infected email or requests for removal.  If I get a lot of
> >  interest, I might make an RBL out of it.
> 
> You realize of course that probably 60-70% are dynamic IPs.

And why exactly are people sending mail from dynamic IPs rather than
using their ISP's smarthost or similar?

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Re: Virus-infected hosts list

[Paul Johnson]

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On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:43:42AM -0400, Michael C. wrote:
> You realize of course that probably 60-70% are dynamic IPs. For example:
> 
> 212.216.176.206 212.216.176.221 212.216.176.222 212.216.176.223
> 212.216.176.224 212.227.126.251
>
> Are probably one or two people.  My ISP usually increments the last
> number of my IP by one if I disconnect and reconnect.  It's some poor
> sap, that can't understand why his connection is so fscking slow, and
> thinks if he disconnects and reconnects he'll get a better connection.

Yes, I know, but a lot of them are SMTP servers.  The point is, I *am*
making headway against the virus deluge this way.  It Works For Me,
YMMV, batteries not included, some assembly required.

> Tommorrow someone else will be assigned those same IPs and you'll be
> blocking them even if they were never vulnerable to begin with.

If it's a problem, they email me, and I pull the IP.

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Re: Virus-infected hosts list

[Paul Johnson]

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On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:19:56AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > You realize of course that probably 60-70% are dynamic IPs.
> 
> And why exactly are people sending mail from dynamic IPs rather than
> using their ISP's smarthost or similar?

I only send through the smarthost for sites that refuse mail from
dynamic ranges.  Otherwise, direct-to-MX because I don't have to deal
with Comcast's spotty servers for everything then.

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Re: Root path question

[Lukas Ruf]

> Naitik Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-04 10:47]:
>

> One possibility might be the fact that when you su, I believe
> .bashrc gets executed, and .bash_profile does not, as it isn't a
> login shell. Whereas when you login (or alternatively do: su -c
> "bash --login" ) .bash_profile gets run. So depending on the paths
> each of these set, your path could possibly vary in a login /
> non-login shell.
>

if you want to have the "full" environment, add a dash '-' after the
'su', i.e. I su to root by 'su -' to load the full environment.

wbr,
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Mutt with evolution

[Ashish Ariga]

Hi,

Today is the first time I typed the words "mutt". I have been using
Evolution all along. I'm having a hard time reading the manual. I would
like to know if it is possible for mutt to use the mail boxes of
Evolution.

For a few months I would like to use mutt remotely. But when I get back,
I would like to have all the mails in Evolution.

Also, is the "VFolder" feature of Evolution available in mutt ?

Thanks,
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Re: rpm packages - alien

[Uwe Dippel]

Thanks to Martin for the tip about sources.list and Rui for the How-To.
Using both, I now got the Radeon 9200 up and running.

Thanks again,

Uwe





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Linux Expo

[Romel T. Tarin]

Hi,
 
Is it true that there's upcomming event for linux 
expo in the philippines. pls gimme some feed back about this. im linux users 
to.
 
 
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installing unstable package in woody

[Paul William]

Hi,

There is an unstable/testing package (firehol) that I need to install on
a woody system. I do not think there will be any dependency problems. Is
this possible? Will dpkg allow me to install a testing package on woody?

Cheers

Paul


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apt broken

[Davi Leal]

Hi all,

I have got problems with dselect after two week of leaving my Debian GNU/Linux 
unstable (sid) alone.  Now, it warns a lot of dependency issues. I have to go 
to the ftp server and download the files and manually use "dpkg -i" to 
install it. The below commands do not help:
  apt-get update
  apt-get dist-upgrade
  apt-get upgrade

Using another server in /etc/apt/sources.list does not help:
  deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
  deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free

I have downloaded the Packages files manually and they are identical:
$ diff /var/lib/apt/lists/
ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages ~/Packages
$


Getting support form the #debian IRC channel. Just an example, "problem to 
install the apache package":

 # apt-get install apache
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Package apache has no available version, but exists in the database.
 This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
 never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the 
contents
 of sources.list
 However the following packages replace it:
   apache-common

 Ellomir: Package apache has no installation candidate

 apt-get update && apt-get install apache

 simonrvn: I have done it. Anyway, I can repeat it. Let's do it.
 don't bother

 # apt-get update
 Hit http://non-US.debian.org sid/non-US/main Packages
 Hit http://non-US.debian.org sid/non-US/main Release
 Hit http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Packages
 Hit http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Release
 Hit http://non-US.debian.org sid/non-US/contrib Packages
 Hit http://non-US.debian.org sid/non-US/contrib Release
 Hit http://non-US.debian.org sid/non-US/non-free Packages
 Hit http://non-US.debian.org sid/non-US/non-free Release
 Hit ftp://ftp.cica.es unstable/main Packages
 Get:1 ftp://ftp.cica.es unstable/main Release
 Hit ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/main Packages
 Ign ftp://ftp.cica.es unstable/main Release
 Hit ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/main Release
 Hit ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/contrib Packages
 Hit ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/contrib Release
 Hit ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/non-free Packages
 Hit ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/non-free Release
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 #

 # apt-get upgrade
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 The following packages have been kept back
   console-tools kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data ssh
 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
 #

 ok... so what does this prove?
 that he hasn't read the apt-get manpage :)

 # apt-get install apache
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Package apache has no available version, but exists in the database.
 This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
 never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the 
contents
 of sources.list
 However the following packages replace it:
   apache-common
 Ellomir: Package apache has no installation candidate
 #

 simonrvn: bob2: After update & upgrade the 'apache' package is missing

 apt-cache showpkg apache

 Package: apache
 Versions:
 1.3.27.1-3(/var/lib/apt/lists/
ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages)

 Reverse Depends:
   backuppc,apache 1.3
   glasnost,apache
   squirrelmail,apache
   ldapexplorer,apache
   libapache-mod-frontpage-mirfak,apache 1.3.0
   zoph,apache
   wwwconfig-common,apache
   www-pgsql,apache
   www-mysql,apache
   webmin-apache,apache
   w3c-markup-validator,apache
   usemod-wiki,apache
   twiki,apache
   tutos,apache
   sympa,apache
   sqwebmail,apache
   squirrelmail,apache
   spip-eva,apache
   spip,apache
   sourceforge,apache 1.3.9
   snui-server,apache
   smb2www,apache
   smarty,apache
   slash,apache
   ...

 # apt-get install apache
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Package apache has no available version, but exists in the database.
 This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
 never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the 
contents
 of sources.list
 However the following packages replace it:
   apache-common
 #

 apt-cache policy apache

 # apt-cache policy apache
 apache:
   Installed: (none)
   Candidate: (none)
   Package Pin: (not found)
   Version Table:
  1.3.27.1-3 989
 500 ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/main Packages
 #

 This system has been 'sid' since more than a year ago.

 apt-get install apache=1.3.27.1-3

 # apt-get install apache=1.3.27.1-3
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 The following extra packages will be installed:
   apache apache-common
 Suggested packages:
   libapache-mod-auth-mysql
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
   apache apache-common
 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
 Need to get 1178kB of archives.
 After unpacking 3592kB of additiona

Re: Mutt with evolution

[Brian Potkin]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:31:01PM +0530, Ashish Ariga wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Today is the first time I typed the words "mutt". I have been using
> Evolution all along. I'm having a hard time reading the manual. I would
> like to know if it is possible for mutt to use the mail boxes of
> Evolution.

Reading the section 'Mailbox Formats' in the mutt manual should help.
If you have Evolution using, for example, mbox type mailboxes I would
expect mutt to be able to read them.
 
> For a few months I would like to use mutt remotely. But when I get back,
> I would like to have all the mails in Evolution.

http://www.ximian.com/support or perhaps /usr/share/doc/evolution.

> Also, is the "VFolder" feature of Evolution available in mutt ?

Not to my knowledge.  Try Google with "vfolder" and "mutt".  Looks like
the Debian package mairix may help.

Brian


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Re: Knoppix as a debian cd

[Ryan Nowakowski]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 03:27:37AM -0700, ralph bacolod wrote:
> Hi! I have woody installed in my home computer but i
> want to try a more up to date apps such as newer gnome
> ,kde and 00. Problem is i dont have broadband so
> downloading is out of the question.
> Is it possible to get packages from a knoppix cd? I
> heard its debian based so maybe the packages are
> debs,am i right?

Knoppix is a livecd and I don't believe the apps are "packaged" on the
cd.  I think they are already installed, ready-to-run on the cd itself.
You're better off going with the unstable cds.

Just download an unofficial unstable(sid) cd and use the packages from
that:
ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/jigdo/

or... you can buy one of those usb hard drives, find a good internet
connection, and mirror the debian unstable tree on that hard drive, then
take it home and use that as your repository.

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Re: installing unstable package in woody

[Colin Watson]

On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 12:12:18AM +1200, Paul William wrote:
> There is an unstable/testing package (firehol) that I need to install on
> a woody system. I do not think there will be any dependency problems. Is
> this possible? Will dpkg allow me to install a testing package on woody?

dpkg is completely agnostic of distributions; only higher-level package
acquisition tools care. It does appear that you can install this
*particular* package from unstable on a stable system, yes.

Cheers,

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Re: Mouse no longer working after kernel upgrade

[Kent West]

DePriest, Jason R. wrote:

I have a Compaq ProLiant 1600 that was running the stock 3.0r1 kernel
(2.2.20-idepci).
I upgraded it via apt-get to 2.4.21-5-686-smp.
While using 2.2.20-idepci, the mouse worked fine in X (using icewm).

Since upgrading to 2.4.21-5-686-smp, the mouse no longer works.  I have
tried two different PS/2 mice and a serial mouse.
I have ran 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' about 50 times.

I ran 'modconf' and made sure the PS/2 input device module was loaded.

There is no error.  As a matter of fact, the mouse ~pointer~ is there in
the middle of the screen... it just doesn't move.
If I use the LILO menu to boot back into the old kernel, the mouse works
again.
 

What type of mouse and what location are you telling "dpkg-reconfigure"?

Are you running gpm? If so, does the mouse work in console? If not, you 
might try installing gpm just as a test and see if the mouse works in 
console, then uninstall gpm so it doesn't interfere with X (or 
reconfigure X and gpm to work together).

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What filesystem for no-halt boot?

[Danie Roux]

I use ext3 for all my servers, and I have no problem with it.

Except for one thing: Every now and again, you need to run e2fsck -y
after a power failure or such.

Now one of my servers (little P1) is quite a drive from me and stuck
behind a cabinet. It gets rebooted quite a lot. And I had to drive out
today just to come run e2fsck. UPS is not an option, neither is a server
room.

Is there a filesystem (XFS, Reiser?) that will always boot up without
user intervention? I thought the journalling of ext3 would do it?

If I read S10checkroot.sh correctly, if I specify an environment value
of FSCKFIX=yes on LILO boot line it would run this for me. I'll be doing
that for now, and hoping everything goes fine.

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Re: Spam, exim, .forward vs. procmail

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 17:06, Paul Mackinney wrote:
> I've been reading the various spam threads, I'm certainly 
> getting my share of hits from the various worms going 
> around. Clearly I can do better can people provide some 
> clear recommendations?
> 
> Currently I'm using exim, receiving w/fetchmail and 
> sending to smarthost. I've learned how to write and
> test an exim-compatible .forward file that works 
> fairly well, although I keep having to add more rules
> as the attributions for the fake MS updates keep changing 
> (really I have to go back to the docs and see if I can 
> filter out any message with a *.exe or *.pif attachment.)
> 
> So one question is: does procmail really work better or
> provide more features than .forward? Is it worth 
> investing the time and energy to learn how to write 
> procmail filters?
> 
> A second question is: I understand that if you install 
> and configure the mailfilter package, that you can use
> mutt to initiate your pop connections and filter mail
> at the server. I have broadband, do I really care about 
> this option? I'd always understood that having mutt 
> run your pop connections was basically an option for 
> people running PPP.
> 
> Finally: I'm poised to start running a 24x7 server for 
> the first time, I'm contemplating making it a true 
> mailserver for incoming and outgoing. I'm sure I'll be
> learning all about spamassassin, do people have any 
> advice about gotchas, must-have packages, or best 
> books?

apt-get install ( courier-maildrop | maildrop )

maildrop works and it's rules are much easier to write and understand.

SpamAssassin just works. (remember in Debian the customization is
/etc/spamassassin) any change you want to make in
/usr/share/spamassassin/*.cf can be put in /etc/spamassassin/local.cf
(of any other name .cf)
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Re: Adding a user with a dot (.) in his name: How?

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:27:13 -0400, 
Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 03:58:55AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 
> >>On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:48:41 +0100, 
> >>"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >>
> >>>on Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:58:38PM +0200, Andreas Schildbach
> >>>([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>>
> Hello everyone,
> 
> For compatibility reasons, I need to add a user with a dot (.) in
> his name. "adduser" does not allow this, even if I invoke it with
> the parameter "--force-badname".
> >>>
> >>>The '.' character is used as a delimiter between username and
> >>>group. I'd recommend you not do this.  There are means of creating
> >>>conformance mappings between userids on various systems, I'd
> >>>suggestion you look
> >>>into these.
> >>
> >>..excellent.  Urls to RFC etc to ram down idiot isp throats?
> > 
> > 
> > Well, the issue is specific to GNU/Linux / Unix user IDs.  Other OSs
> > may have different legal names.
> > 
> > In this case, the appropriate approach IMO is what I suggested
> > previously:  create a conformance mapping between the external and
> > local name(s).  Sometimes you've got to roll with things and be a
> > little flexible.
> > 
> > Peace.
> > 
> 
> To be clear, use of '.' as a delimiter is deprecated in favor of ':'. 
> As long as you always use ':' as your delimiter, chown at least has no
> problems with .'s in ids.
> 

..my issue with "." in usernames is _I_ get other peoples email because
my pop3 service provider boxes are managed by idiots. Allright, their 
support monkeys are _nice_, the last one put a few hundred Swen "mail"s
in the webmail's "trash folder" on trying to delete it.  ;-)

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Re: RH to Debian conversion help

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:28, Paul Mackinney wrote:
> Derrick 'dman' Hudson declaimed:
> > | 2. hwconf - shows what hardware is in place
> > 
> > I don't think there is an equivalent.  What functionality do you need
> > out of this?  The 'lspci' command will list the PCI devices.  Other
> > hardware info, as seen by the kernel, can be found in /proc.  There
> > are probably other sources of information, depending on what you are
> > looking for.
> > 
> 
> Debian certainly doesn't have anything like RH's kudzu (one of the more
> impressive featres of RH, IMO). The 'modconf' command run as root allows
> you to dynamically enable/disable kernel modules, and 'dmesg' will print
> all the startup messages, which typically show lots of device info.


Try this on for size:
duke:~# apt-cache search kudzu
kudzu-vesa - Hardware detecting library
hwdata - hardware identification / configuration data
kudzu - The Red Hat Linux hardware probing tool.
kudzu-dev - Hardware detecting library

Also:
duke:~# apt-cache search discover | grep discover
discover - hardware identification system
discover-data - hardware lists for libdiscover1
libdiscover-dev - hardware identification library development files
libdiscover1 - hardware identification library
libdiscover1-pic - hardware identification library - static PIC version
read-edid - hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors

So, where are we now?
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Re: spamassassin: recent process slowdown ???

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 01:53, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> Since the end of last week, spamd processing time per message has gone
> from ~6 seconds to >30 seconds.
> 
> I am not clear whether or not any recent upgrades have changed
> spamassassin.
> 
> I did not, at first, attribute my mail processing slowdown to
> spamassassin; rather, exim was timing out on procmail.  While trying to
> identify problems with procmail, I had turned on some verbose logging
> that indicated long timeouts to some rbl[s]; but, today I cannot
> duplicate such logging ;<
> 
> I searched the archives at spamassassin.org and debian-user, and I do
> not see any similar report.
Would maybe the DDoS on all the RBL Lists cause this slowdown...  I
believe so.
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Re: boot loader question

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 02:05, Jason Housewright wrote:
> Greetings all.
> 
> I am looking at possibly moving to Debian; I have a
> question about the boot loader. I have used grub for
> quite a while now. What is the default bl for Debian,
> and if one is preferred over the other, is it
> difficult to switch? Thanks in advance for any help
> and/or for directing me to helpful sources.

It will by default install Lilo. No bother.

apt-get install grub

Then "grub-install /dev/)

Write a good /boot/grub/menu.lst

Reboot. And after a successful boot"

apt-get remove --purge lilo

All done.

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PPPoE problem with kernel 2.4

[uGAH man]

 Hi.
 I have been having problems with authenticating with my ADSL
provider  when i use kernel 2.4. When i use Kernel 2.2, (idepci, the
default kernel of the debian 3.0r1 distribution), it works fine...
 The kernel is the 2.4.22, compiled using the debian default
procedures, with PPP/BSD compression installed as modules.
 My network card (i only have one) is working fine on both kernels.
 I used pppoeconf to configure my ADSL connection.
 When i do "pon dsl-provider" using kernel 2.4, i get this on eth0...
Generic Error "RP-PPPoE: System call error"...
ike:/home/ugah# tcpdump -i eth0
tcpdump: listening on eth0
23:15:47.642860 PPPoE PADI
23:15:47.683561 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name "ARC-RJ-VELOX-03"]
[AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:15:47.683772 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:15:47.717543 PPPoE PADS [ses 0xc7f] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:15:47.718496 PPPoE PADT [ses 0xc7f] [Generic-Error "RP-PPPoE: System
call error"] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:15:47.721465 PPPoE [ses 0xc7f] LCP 20: Conf-Req(1), MRU=1492,
Auth-Prot PAP, Magic-Num=b3663d07
23:16:17.722103 PPPoE PADI
23:16:17.756798 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name "ARC-RJ-VELOX-03"]
[AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:17.757031 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:17.788579 PPPoE PADS [ses 0xc99] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:17.789487 PPPoE PADT [ses 0xc99] [Generic-Error "RP-PPPoE: System
call error"] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:17.792762 PPPoE [ses 0xc99] LCP 20: Conf-Req(1), MRU=1492,
Auth-Prot PAP, Magic-Num=b366b2c6
23:16:47.752036 PPPoE PADI
23:16:47.791857 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name "ARC-RJ-VELOX-03"]
[AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:47.792087 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:47.828056 PPPoE PADS [ses 0xcbb] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:47.828941 PPPoE PADT [ses 0xcbb] [Generic-Error "RP-PPPoE: System
call error"] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:16:47.831990 PPPoE [ses 0xcbb] LCP 20: Conf-Req(1), MRU=1492,
Auth-Prot PAP, Magic-Num=b3672870
23:17:17.779422 PPPoE PADI
23:17:17.815333 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name "ARC-RJ-VELOX-03"]
[AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:17:17.815565 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:17:17.851306 PPPoE PADS [ses 0xcd0] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:17:17.852285 PPPoE PADT [ses 0xcd0] [Generic-Error "RP-PPPoE: System
call error"] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
 When i do "pon dsl-provider" using kernel 2.2, i get this instead...
the authentication works fine and i have internet immediately...
ike:/home/ugah# tcpdump -i eth0
tcpdump: WARNING: eth1: no IPv4 address assigned
tcpdump: listening on eth1
23:20:33.329695 PPPoE PADI
23:20:33.362696 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name "ARC-RJ-VELOX-03"]
[AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:20:33.362815 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:20:33.398642 PPPoE PADS [ses 0xd5f] [Service-Name] [AC-Cookie UTF8]
23:20:33.402574 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 20: Conf-Req(1), MRU=1492,
Auth-Prot PAP, Magic-Num=b36a9978
23:20:33.403208 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 22: Conf-Req(1), ACCM=,
Magic-Num=f6acfba4, PFC, ACFC
23:20:33.403322 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 20: Conf-Ack(1), MRU=1492,
Auth-Prot PAP, Magic-Num=b36a9978
23:20:33.438561 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 22: Conf-Ack(1), ACCM=,
Magic-Num=f6acfba4, PFC, ACFC
23:20:33.439325 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 10: Echo-Req(0), Magic-Num=f6acfba4
23:20:33.439424 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] PAP 28: Auth-Req(1), Peer=2125697246,
Name=2125697246
23:20:33.470611 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 10: Echo-Rep(0), Magic-Num=b36a9978
23:20:33.498733 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] PAP 7: Auth-Ack(1), Msg=
23:20:33.498798 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 12: Conf-Req(1),
IP-Addr=200.216.95.212
23:20:33.500090 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 30: Conf-Req(1), IP-Addr=0.0.0.0,
IP-Comp VJ-Comp, Pri-DNS=0.0.0.0, Sec-DNS=0.0.0.0
23:20:33.500103 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] CCP 17: Conf-Req(1), Deflate, MVRCA,
BSD-Comp
23:20:33.500112 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 12: Conf-Ack(1),
IP-Addr=200.216.95.212
23:20:33.538579 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 12: Conf-Rej(1), IP-Comp VJ-Comp
23:20:33.538935 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 24: Conf-Req(2), IP-Addr=0.0.0.0,
Pri-DNS=0.0.0.0, Sec-DNS=0.0.0.0
23:20:33.550652 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 23: Prot-Rej(2),
Rejected-Protocol=80fd
23:20:33.574552 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 24: Conf-Nak(2),
IP-Addr=200.165.206.11, Pri-DNS=200.149.55.140, Sec-DNS=200.202.193.71
23:20:33.575452 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 24: Conf-Req(3),
IP-Addr=200.165.206.11, Pri-DNS=200.149.55.140, Sec-DNS=200.202.193.71
23:20:33.606605 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] IPCP 24: Conf-Ack(3),
IP-Addr=200.165.206.11, Pri-DNS=200.149.55.140, Sec-DNS=200.202.193.71
23:20:34.490587 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 14: Echo-Req(1), Magic-Num=b36a9978
23:20:34.490918 PPPoE [ses 0xd5f] LCP 14: Echo-Rep(1), Magic-Num=f6acfba4
23:17:17.855231 PPPoE [ses 0xcd0] LCP 20: Conf-Req(1), MRU=1492,
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Re: What filesystem for no-halt boot?

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 09:25, Danie Roux wrote:
> I use ext3 for all my servers, and I have no problem with it.
> 
> Except for one thing: Every now and again, you need to run e2fsck -y
> after a power failure or such.
> 
> Now one of my servers (little P1) is quite a drive from me and stuck
> behind a cabinet. It gets rebooted quite a lot. And I had to drive out
> today just to come run e2fsck. UPS is not an option, neither is a server
> room.
> 
> Is there a filesystem (XFS, Reiser?) that will always boot up without
> user intervention? I thought the journalling of ext3 would do it?
> 
> If I read S10checkroot.sh correctly, if I specify an environment value
> of FSCKFIX=yes on LILO boot line it would run this for me. I'll be doing
> that for now, and hoping everything goes fine.

tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/filesystem-partition

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I like using VIM as it gives syntax highlighting and
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But I don't like the auto indenting of html files. How
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Re: Spam, exim, .forward vs. procmail

[Shane]

Hello all,

The best thing in my opinion is procmail, just add these lines to your
.procmailrc file, and all will be WAY better. Make sure you have your
~/.forward file forwarding to procmail.

hope you all get it fixed...this worked for me!
-Shane

###*My procmailrc file*###

MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
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:0:
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# This puts all mail NOT directly to "username" into a folder called
# spam.  Then I can look it over just to be sure it is spam.
#
# Once I get a better idea of what comes in that's not directly
# addressed to me, then I'll add more rules to make them go where I want
:O:
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Re: Howto turn vi auto indenting off for html files

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 09:10, Joris Huizer wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I like using VIM as it gives syntax highlighting and
> auto indenting on C files... 
> But I don't like the auto indenting of html files. How
> can I turn it off for one session - or even better,
> for all html files ?

:set noai

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Re: What filesystem for no-halt boot?

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Danie Roux  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I use ext3 for all my servers, and I have no problem with it.
>
>Except for one thing: Every now and again, you need to run e2fsck -y
>after a power failure or such.
>
>If I read S10checkroot.sh correctly, if I specify an environment value
>of FSCKFIX=yes on LILO boot line it would run this for me. I'll be doing
>that for now, and hoping everything goes fine.

No, that is wrong.

You need to specify it in /etc/default/rcS

See also "man rcS".

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Re: Mouse no longer working after kernel upgrade

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:10:16 -0500, 
"DePriest, Jason R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I have a Compaq ProLiant 1600 that was running the stock 3.0r1 kernel
> (2.2.20-idepci).
> I upgraded it via apt-get to 2.4.21-5-686-smp.
> 
> While using 2.2.20-idepci, the mouse worked fine in X (using icewm).
> 
> Since upgrading to 2.4.21-5-686-smp, the mouse no longer works.  I
> have tried two different PS/2 mice and a serial mouse.
> 
> I have ran 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' about 50 times.
> 
> I ran 'modconf' and made sure the PS/2 input device module was loaded.
> 
> There is no error.  As a matter of fact, the mouse ~pointer~ is there
> in the middle of the screen... it just doesn't move.
> 
> If I use the LILO menu to boot back into the old kernel, the mouse
> works again.

..good. Use that to verify gpm works in the console, then have X use 
/dev/gpmdata. The cute thing is you no longer have to restart X on 
re-plugging your rodents.

..with your new kernel and X reading /dev/gpmdata instead of some 
weird /dev/pissedoffaux, the problem reduces to get gpm working.

..you _could_ have gpm fighting X over the mouse, stalling it now.

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Re: spamassassin: recent process slowdown ???

[Michael D Schleif]

Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:04:09:51:00-0400] scribed:
> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 01:53, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> > Since the end of last week, spamd processing time per message has gone
> > from ~6 seconds to >30 seconds.
> > 
> > I am not clear whether or not any recent upgrades have changed
> > spamassassin.
> > 
> > I did not, at first, attribute my mail processing slowdown to
> > spamassassin; rather, exim was timing out on procmail.  While trying to
> > identify problems with procmail, I had turned on some verbose logging
> > that indicated long timeouts to some rbl[s]; but, today I cannot
> > duplicate such logging ;<
> > 
> > I searched the archives at spamassassin.org and debian-user, and I do
> > not see any similar report.
> Would maybe the DDoS on all the RBL Lists cause this slowdown...  I
> believe so.

Yes, I believe that this maybe the cause of my woes.  However, mostly
what I wanted, as result to my post, are answers to following:

> > How can I get verbose logging information from spamd?
> >
> > What else can I investigate to determine root cause?

What do you think?

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newbie installation problems: to charles

[steef]

Hi charles,

had the same problem i guess.

what did i do to to resove it?

a f t e r  installation of bf24, woody asks you to log in. so log in as root.

then do:

apt-get install xserver-xfree86

and,  after that to prevent that you only can log in with gdm:

apt-get install kdm (or xdm)

follow the questions in the (blue boxes on the konsole-screen and you will see 
your graphic interface appear, after you command something like 'startx'  as root.

thid all possibly on the following constraint: that you,
as i did during the installation of bf24, a fine kernel, installed the debian 
security updates as well. it seems that installing these sec. updates 
blockades Xwindows to appear to install in taskel.

good luck

ps jan gave you allready a sound  advice, zso it seems to me. but: maybe the 
advantage of my words is the ude of (almost aumatic) get-apt.

goodluck, however,

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Date:
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To:
Charles Forelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC:
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On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:19, Charles Forelle wrote:

>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm in the midst of my first ever installation of Debian and I'm having
>> trouble with the graphical interface. I've completed the process (installing
>> the bf2.4 flavor with only desktop environment picked in tasksel -- I chose
>> not to run dselect yet). The install complete with a text log-in prompt. I
>> can login OK, both as the normal user I created and as root. But when I
>> reboot, I get a message right after the login prompt appears that says:
>>
>> I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it
>> is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to
>> diagnose the problem?
>>
>> My choices: Yes or No.
>>
>> I pick Yes and get a blank gray box. My only choice is EXIT, which I pick.
>> Then it says:
>>
>> Would you like me to try to run the X configuration program? Note that you
>> will need the root password for this.
>>
>> I pick Yes and give the root password. Then I get:
>>
>> I will now try to restart the X server again.
>>
>> I pick OK, and after a second or two pause, I'm back to the original I
>> cannot start the X server... message, whence I end up in an endless loop.
>>
>> Help! I'm totally flummoxed. Does anyone have a sense of what's gone wrong?
>>
>> With thanks,
>>
>> Charles.
>>


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Re: logins and logouts hang

[Vikki Roemer]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:00:11PM -0400, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> 
> If you don't hear anything more in this thread, assume this did the trick. :)

Well, I only put off the inevitable-- I ended up having to buy  a new power
supply.

But I'm keeping that extra exhaust fan, 'cause you can  never have too much
fannage. :)

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Re: raid1 and lilo second disk doesn't boot

[Rudy Gevaert]

Hi Alvin,

On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 01:02:35PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:

> lilo.conf looks correct  for boot= and root=
> ( "correct" ==  the way i do it and works for me )
>   - nothing wrong with lilo.conf
> 
> - other last issue is that is just a dumb lilo problem
>   and nothing to do with raid
>   ( a few painful experiments )
> 
>   - try using "linear" instead of lba32

done

>   - you can also try removing "install="

done

>   - you should remove "raid-extra-boot"
>   ( i haven't seen it before )

done



> - it's a good test you're doing to disconnect sda
>   to see if its boots .. also repeat with a disconnected sdb
>   - and verify that written data to one disks
>   is sync'd to the other disk when its "reconnected"

It boots of both disks (when the other one is disconnected)

>   watch it syncing with "cat /proc/mdstat"

However, it does not sync automatically.  I have to add the disk into
the array manually with mdadm.


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Re: Re: A novice having trouble with X window on install

[Charles Forelle]

Michael,

Thanks. I ran xf86config as you suggested, selecting the generic video card
option since I didn't see mine (Intel chipset 82810E) in the list. (I
checked XF86Config file, and it just put vga in for the driver. I tried
startx 'which twm'

This is what I got back:

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or
directory
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: No such
file or directory
giving up.
xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server
xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.

Now, I do have a /usr/bin/X11 directory, and there's lots of stuff in it,
but apparently not a file called 'X'

That seems like a problem, right? I didn't do anything fancy, just used the
Debian installer.

Thanks,

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Re: installing unstable package in woody

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:54:14 +0100, 
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 12:12:18AM +1200, Paul William wrote:
> > There is an unstable/testing package (firehol) that I need to
> > install on a woody system. I do not think there will be any
> > dependency problems. Is this possible? Will dpkg allow me to install
> > a testing package on woody?
> 
> dpkg is completely agnostic of distributions; only higher-level
> package acquisition tools care. It does appear that you can install
> this*particular* package from unstable on a stable system, yes.

..it might however whine about dependencies, juuust like rpm ;-) 
and as those are met, all goes in in the same install command, 
exactly like with rpm.  ;-)

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Re: Virus-infected hosts list

[Michael C.]

In linux.debian.user,
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  
>  On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 05:43:42AM -0400, Michael C. wrote:
> > You realize of course that probably 60-70% are dynamic IPs. For example:
> > 
> > 212.216.176.206 212.216.176.221 212.216.176.222 212.216.176.223
> > 212.216.176.224 212.227.126.251
> >
> > Are probably one or two people.  My ISP usually increments the last
> > number of my IP by one if I disconnect and reconnect.  It's some poor
> > sap, that can't understand why his connection is so fscking slow, and
> > thinks if he disconnects and reconnects he'll get a better connection.
>  
>  Yes, I know, but a lot of them are SMTP servers.  The point is, I *am*
>  making headway against the virus deluge this way.  It Works For Me,
>  YMMV, batteries not included, some assembly required.
>  
Yes, it works, but you'll be adding IPs daily.


> > Tommorrow someone else will be assigned those same IPs and you'll be
> > blocking them even if they were never vulnerable to begin with.
>  
>  If it's a problem, they email me, and I pull the IP.

If you don't accept email from the recipient, emailing you with the
problem, ain't going to be easy.  They need to use a different account.
By the time you take action, they've logged out, and when they dial in
again they'll get a different IP.  And the next day someone else with
the IP that you unblocked has a virus.

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Re: RH to Debian conversion help

[Paul Mackinney]

Paul Mackinney lied:
> Debian certainly doesn't have anything like RH's kudzu 

Well that was a rather sloppy reply, wasn't it?

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Re: backup to dvd of apple files

[Rudy Gevaert]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 10:35:17PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt wrote:
> 
> I have always pulled the files back off of my linux server to a Mac, 
> created an ISO of the files and then burned from wherever. You may find 
> that it is easiest if you burned or at least mastered all the files from 
> a Mac.

In deed.  I took that road too.  I can read the DVDs from my GNU/Linux
laptop met HFS filesystem compiled into the kernel.  The Macs can read
them too.  I haven't tried on a Windows operating systeem.

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Re: Debian uptime 497 days

[Jacob Anawalt]

Rich Johnson wrote:

On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 12:24 AM, Jacob Anawalt wrote:


Everytime I think about this thread or any boast about uptime one 
question comes into my mind:

Are these machines on trusted networks with trusted users, or do 
people really get lucky and pick or compile a kernel that doesn't 
have any bugs/exploits found in the next year?


At this point aren't most of the vulnerabilities found in the loadable 
modules and/or services rather than the kernel itself?


Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:46:04 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-358-4] New kernel 
packages fix potential "oops"
Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:58:30 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-358-2] New kernel 
packages fix potential "oops"
Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:00:46 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-358-3] New kernel 
packages fix potential "oops"
Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:57:30 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-358-1] New kernel source 
and i386, alpha kernel images fix multiple vulnerabilities
Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:19:51 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-336-1] New Linux 2.2.20 
packages and i386 kernel images fix several vulnerabilities
Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:44:01 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-332-1] New Linux 2.4.17 
source code and MIPS kernel images fix several vulnerabilities
Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:26:02 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-311-1] New kernel 
packages fix several vulnerabilities
Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:42:32 -0400 [SECURITY] [DSA-312-1] New powerpc kernel 
fixes several vulnerabilities
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:22:50 +0200 [SECURITY] [DSA 276-1] New Linux kernel 
packages (s390) fix local root exploit
Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:49:13 +0100 [SECURITY] [DSA 270-1] New Linux kernel 
packages (mips + mipsel) fix local root exploit

http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2003/threads.html

I hadn't used Debian before this spring, and it looks like from the 2002 
and 2001 archives there were practically no issues with the kernel back 
then. It seemed like I would get a fixed kernel from RH every three to 
six months.

A view from the low end of the spectrum is that I've had no kernel 
problems since I switched my now 8 year old PowerMac to linux 3-1/2 
years ago.  For the last 1-1/2 years I've been happy as a clam with 
2.4.18.  With linux the machine's been more reliable than the power grid. 
Very nice.



Alas, it's only been 125 days since the machine was last powered down 
for transport. 


Don't get me wrong, I think the high uptime is an impressive testiment 
of the quality of the kernel and other software running on the system, 
but it also indicates that the kernel is likely missing some security 
update. It's your call if the security fixes an issue that is pertinent 
to your situation or not.

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making a disk image

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Hi,
I'm working on putting together a floppy-based distro, and I want to back up
my floppies as disk images.  What's the quickest and easiest way to do that?

TIA.

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Re: Virus-infected hosts list

[Jacob Anawalt]

Paul Johnson wrote:

[snip]

Tommorrow someone else will be assigned those same IPs and you'll be
blocking them even if they were never vulnerable to begin with.
   

If it's a problem, they email me, and I pull the IP.
 

So you're just keeping a list of problem IP's and accepting additional 
traffic from them, or do they have to use another IP address to mail the 
"Disinfected, thanks" email to?

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Limiting access to website ???

[Michael D Schleif]

We are working on a web-based application.  It will use mod_ssl to
secure transactions.

We want to limit access to the application.  Yes, we have
username/password authentication; but, we are also considering
host-based limits.

Can this be done with [mod_]ssl?  Can access to a website require a
certificate on the browser side?  If so, please, point me in the right
direction (e.g., URL's, documentation, applications, &c.)

What do you think?

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Re: Howto turn vi auto indenting off for html files

[Joris Huizer]

--- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 09:10, Joris Huizer wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> > 
> > I like using VIM as it gives syntax highlighting
> and
> > auto indenting on C files... 
> > But I don't like the auto indenting of html files.
> How
> > can I turn it off for one session - or even
> better,
> > for all html files ?
> 
> :set noai
> 
> -- 

Well I no difference in behavior when I do that... I
added my .vimrc maybe there's something weird there...


Thanks for your help ...

Joris

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Re: ppp daemon ip-up.d perm +

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:06:57PM -0800, J Y wrote:
> Hi, Permissions of ip-up.d:
> deblnx:/home/john# ls -l /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
> total 28 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 1306 Apr 25  2002 00-ipppd 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  962 Apr  2  2002 000usepeerdns 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 2460 Jan  4  2002 0dns-up 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  825 Mar 17  2002 1wwwoffle 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root   84 Mar  4  2002 exim 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  240 Jun 30  2002 fetchmail 
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  224 Mar 21  2002 leafnode

All good. You don't need 00-ipppd unless you're using ISDN, which it
seems you're not. Probably a good idea to uninstall ipppd.

  apt-get remove --purge ipppd

> All scripts in ip-up.d (except fetchmail & leafnode) had "exit 0" added
> to the 2nd uncommented line in the script. 
>  
> deblnx:/home/john# plog 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  67.75.63.1>209.244.0.4>] 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
> proxy ARP 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: local  IP address 67.75.63.1 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: remote IP address 63.215.27.34 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1796) 
> Oct  4 00:42:08 deblnx pppd[1755]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> 1796), status = 0x0 
>  
> After removing the "exit 0" from the script exim then plog produced this: 
> deblnx:/home/john# plog 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  67.75.63.97>209.244.0.4>] 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: Cannot determine ethernet address for
> proxy ARP 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: local  IP address 67.75.63.97 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: remote IP address 63.215.27.34 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: primary   DNS address 209.244.0.3 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: secondary DNS address 209.244.0.4 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1930) 
> Oct  4 00:45:14 deblnx pppd[1889]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
> 1930), status = 0x1 
>  
> This is what's in exim: 
> #!/bin/sh 
>  
> # Flush exim queue 
> if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim ]; then 
>   /usr/sbin/exim -qf 
> fi 
>  
> I don't know if this is the problem file or not. Does exim have anything
> to do with dns?

No, exim is a Mail Transport Agent and that script is to send your
outgoing mail.

Do you mean that you removed the additional 'exit 0' from the exim
script before having removed it from any of the others? Perhaps I
wasn't clear enough. Put it back into the exim script, then remove it
from each script in turn *in the order given by ls -l*.

The scripts that set up DNS are 000usepeerdns (which won't actually do
anything as long as the 0dns-up script and /usr/sbin/pppconfig both
exist - is /usr/sbin/pppconfig there?) and 0dns-up.

If 0dns-up isn't failing, what do you get in /etc/resolv.conf after
it's run?

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Re: pppd daemon

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:35:03PM -0800, J Y wrote:
> Yeah I knew I left ping on too long..I wasn't sure if it exited on its
> own. I'm wondering if the exit status isn't the result of my finally
> doing ctrl-c ? 

Nono, what you do with ping won't affect the exit status of
/etc/ppp/ip-up.

> Anyway I do appreciate the help-this has been one pain to
> resolve. I will check permissions on /etc/ppp/ip-up.d and recently there
> have been no error messages when using pon (not that I remember) but
> I'll try again. I don't know how many scripts there are in the file
> /ip-up.d but I will try what you recommended. 

s/file/directory/... There are only a few scripts; the number varies
depending on your installation but you'll find about 4 or 5.

> Unless of course the
> permissions check produces something. I also wonder if I could just copy
> my SuSE ip-up.d files to debian? Although they might not be compatible.

I think that might be inadvisable: it would introduce more "unknowns"
into the system, and at a point when we're probably nearly there.

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Re: Spam, exim, .forward vs. procmail

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:06:31PM +, Paul Mackinney wrote:
> I've been reading the various spam threads, I'm certainly 
> getting my share of hits from the various worms going 
> around. Clearly I can do better can people provide some 
> clear recommendations?
> 
> Currently I'm using exim, receiving w/fetchmail and 
> sending to smarthost. I've learned how to write and
> test an exim-compatible .forward file that works 
> fairly well, although I keep having to add more rules
> as the attributions for the fake MS updates keep changing 
> (really I have to go back to the docs and see if I can 
> filter out any message with a *.exe or *.pif attachment.)
> 
> So one question is: does procmail really work better or
> provide more features than .forward? Is it worth 
> investing the time and energy to learn how to write 
> procmail filters?

IMO - a) Yes b) No. .forward and little shell scripts perform for me
functions for which other people occasionallly post procmail recipes,
and save the effort of learning a third package with Sanskrit config
syntax. YMMV.

> A second question is: I understand that if you install 
> and configure the mailfilter package, that you can use
> mutt to initiate your pop connections and filter mail
> at the server. I have broadband, do I really care about 
> this option? I'd always understood that having mutt 
> run your pop connections was basically an option for 
> people running PPP.

s/that.*,//  Mutt and mailfilter do not depend on each other.

You care about this if you use POP to get your mail...

> Finally: I'm poised to start running a 24x7 server for 
> the first time, I'm contemplating making it a true 
> mailserver for incoming and outgoing.

...in this case you don't care. You can reject the viruses and other
rubbish at SMTP time.

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Re: making a disk image

[Marshal Wong]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 10:46, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm working on putting together a floppy-based distro, and I want to back up
> my floppies as disk images.  What's the quickest and easiest way to do that?
> 

I think 'dd' might work for that.  Try man dd or info dd for more
information.  You use it for writing disk images, so I guess it should
work backwards too.

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=filename.img

Good luck.

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Re: making a disk image

[Rus Foster]

> I think 'dd' might work for that.  Try man dd or info dd for more
> information.  You use it for writing disk images, so I guess it should
> work backwards too.
>
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=filename.img
>

or cat /dev/fd0 > filename.img will work just as nicely

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Re: dangling symlink?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 04 Oct 2003, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 16:17:46 +0100
> Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I don't know why this should have happened but occasionally it does.
> > It's probably a fairly rarely-occurring bug in the packaging system
> > whose effects are so trivial and harmless that nobody bothers to fix
> > it since there are more important issues to deal with.
> 
> I doubt it's rare, I have about half a dozen, but I agree it's harmless -
> I've not bothered to do anything yet.  Maybe when I'm bored ...
> 
> - Richard.

Don't be tempted to run cleanlinks on / as root. It will remove all
kinds of empty directories which are needed, and various things will
stop working. 

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SED problem

[Dave selby]

I have multiple html files. I need to remove the same chunk of code from 
all of them.
I have made a bash loop to feed the files to sed, but am struggling with 
the sed code.

I need to delete all the code between


and


Including the above comments.

I have tried, played with N, d substitution to // but can't pattern 
match across multiple lines.

Any ideas ?
Dave




In the HTML I have the following 






Home
  About us
  Gallery
  Order cards
  Pricing
  Contact
us
FAQ   
"sitemap.html">Site map   
"links.html">Specialist Links   
href="reciplinks.html">Reciprocal Links







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Re: Holy Spam!

[Peter S Galbraith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I read this "list" via Newsguy.com.  I subscribed, to get 
> posting rights, but the address forwards to /dev/null.

You don't need to subscribe to be able to post.

> I tried reading this mailing list with an email client.
> Had to unsubscribe after a few hours.

Apart from the spam size (which is a problem), reading a dozen lists in
MH-E works well for me.  Killing threads is a must.

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Re: Any users of mondoarchive on debian boxes?

[Paul Mackinney]

Vineet Kumar declaimed:
> * Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030928 16:00]:
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 08:27:27AM -0700, Paul Mackinney wrote:
> > > At a BALUG meeting last spring I heard a talk by mondo's inceptor, Hugo
> > > Rabson, who took some special time to trash Debian. His beef is with
> > > Debian's initrd-enabled kernels which mondo either doesn't handle at all
> > > or doesn't handle well.
> > 
> > "I can't write software to cope with this feature of the Linux kernel
> > and therefore this distro that uses it is crap"? Please tell me it
> > ain't so...
> 
> no, it wasn't as simple as that.  Hugo was trying to write portable
> software, which is always a frustrating challenge.  He did offer to
> enumerate a list of reasons why he didn't like Debian.  I don't remember
> exactly what he said, but I remember thinking his reasons were valid at
> the time.  It's just his opinion after all, which, by accounts on the
> current version of the site, has since favorably changed.  Even then,
> Hugo didn't want to exclude Debian; he had just had difficulty working
> with it, and was fortunate to have Hector take care of the Debian stuff
> for him.
> 
Vineet, thanks for the more even-handed account. My post was probably a
bit harsh--I wrote the first section (quoted above) before visiting the
mondo website again and seeing the improved situation.

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Re: Ruby and Emacs support problem

[W. Crowshaw]

Sadly, it didn't work.  Whenever I do load a ruby
file I do get the message:
"Loading inf-ruby...done".

But I get no syntax highlighting.  I can't debug the
program through xemacs either.

How did you get your mode to work that wasn't
working before?


On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:51:12PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:27:44PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm trying to install ruby support into xemacs21.  I
> > installed the ruby-elisp package and I still don't
> > have ruby support in emacs.  Has anyone experienced
> > this problem?  Should I have installed another
> > package?  
> > 
> > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
> 
> Just a wild guess but does:
> M-x ruby-mode
> work?
> It might just be that it's not set to start using ruby-mode
> automatically when it recognizes ruby files. Or you might be using a
> different file extension that what it expects etc.
> 
> P.S. I had the same problem with another mode.
> 
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Thank you Jan, Michael C. and steef...

[Charles Forelle]

...for your help 
with X-Window problem. It's working now. I did need to use apt-get to install as 
steef suggested. It seems that critical part wasn't installed. (Though a lot of 
other X-Window stuff was.)
 
But all is well 
now.
 
Thanks,
 
Charles.

high load but no cpu usage

[Shri Shrikumar]

Hi,

I seem to have a strange problem. I have a server which is showing a
load average of around 1 but cpu usage of 0.6% over two cpus.

What bothers me is that load average used to stay under 0.16 previously
- nothing has changed. I have already tried to see if there are any
processes blocking using ps auxwww but they all seem to be in State S
with a few in SW and two in SWN.

%cpu in iowait is also 0% according to top. 

also, iostat tells me the following (iostat -k)

avg-cpu:  %user   %nice%sys   %idle
   8.310.000.75   90.94

Device:tpskB_read/skB_wrtn/skB_readkB_wrtn
dev8-01.72 0.0619.45 137015   41971011


Its really only running postgresql since it running as  a db server.

Any help is getting to the bottom of this appreciated.

Shri

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Re: high load but no cpu usage

[Rus Foster]

> Hi,
>
> I seem to have a strange problem. I have a server which is showing a
> load average of around 1 but cpu usage of 0.6% over two cpus.

This would imply I/O wait for me. What sort of disks does it have?

> What bothers me is that load average used to stay under 0.16 previously
> - nothing has changed. I have already tried to see if there are any
> processes blocking using ps auxwww but they all seem to be in State S
> with a few in SW and two in SWN.
>

Run vmstat 1 for a few minutes and post it here

Rgds

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Re: USB mouse under X not working

[willem]

No, i finally figured it out, and i thought i'd post the reasons so others 
running into
this can find a solution without being at for days like me.
First i thought i messed something up with a dist-upgrade so i decided to do
a completely fresh install, sigh, and of course it turned out that wasn't it.
The problem was the device just wasn't there, i had never run
'MAKEDEV input' and 'MAKEDEV usb' because i simply assumed
this was handled automatically.
Makedev gets very little attention in the debian 'manual' which is
quite suprising to me now that i finally figured out how
important it actually is especially in situations like this.
I guess this sideways hits on the 'debian for joe average' thread cause
for someone trying it out 'just to see linux' it would have been a showstopper
and a reason to run back to windows.
I'm also rather flabbergasted no one on this list could point me in
the right way with all the experts floating around here.

I have yet to install X so i'm not totally sure it's fixed now but
cat /dev/usb/input/mouse0 gies me the mouse output garbage
on screen so i assume all is wel now
Cheers

At 17:57 2-10-2003 +0200, Roberto wrote:
>I guessed so, my guess is more in the direction of usbmouse which look
>like it should have trouble with hid.
>
> -Roberto
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Re: high load but no cpu usage

[Shri Shrikumar]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 19:44, Rus Foster wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I seem to have a strange problem. I have a server which is showing a
> > load average of around 1 but cpu usage of 0.6% over two cpus.
> 
> This would imply I/O wait for me. What sort of disks does it have?

Thats what I thought but this same machine has handles twice the load at
just 0.16 load average. Also, its running off 2 scsi disks which are
mirrored.

> Run vmstat 1 for a few minutes and post it here

I have attached the output of vmstat. The load average of the machine
was around 1 throughout. Please let me know if you want me to add a
longer vmstat run.

Best wishes,

Shri

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Re: Network attached storage and backup

[Aaron]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said,
> > [snip]
> 
> Specifics.  We need much more.
> 
> How much performance do you need?  I.e., how many users will be
> hitting it at the same time, what kind of apps run on the box, etc?

Just me. Maybe myself and one other user. I don't need a lot of
performance once it's up and running. It's network attached, so I
don't really need more disk throughput than I can get out of my
100Base-TX network connection.

> 
> When you say "100+ GB", do you mean 100-150GB, or something *much*
> larger?

Between 100 and 300 gigs, I guess. I have almost 200 gigs of data that
I'd be storing and backing up, but I can predict a need for more
storage in the future.

> 
> PS - I've been using Linux on Via chipsets for 4 years, and have
> had very good success, and no negative h/w issues.

I couldn't get my hard drive to operate with DMA on this Abit KT-7A
RAID motherboard (not using the RAID controller, just the onboard
controller). One of the other debian-users here was kind enough to
send me his old PCI ATA controller, so I can hopefully use that to get
DMA working. You can check the archives for the problems I had with
this fileserver initially, while copying files from my old hard drives
on another machine (WinXP) to this new one.

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antispam, sylpheed?

[Alfredo Valles]

Looking for the easiest solution for the spam problem for people like me that 
don't have access to the mail server I saw the sylpheed-claws mail client 
that have a plug-in for spamassassin and other to use one antivirus.
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Re: Howto turn vi auto indenting off for html files

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Joris Huizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said,
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I like using VIM as it gives syntax highlighting and
> auto indenting on C files... 
> But I don't like the auto indenting of html files. How
> can I turn it off for one session - or even better,
> for all html files ?
> 
> Thanks for your help!!
> 
> Joris
> 
> =

You can always try www.vim.org, or subscribe to their mailing list,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (see the webpage for specifics). They've always been able
to help me with my problems.

Just to aim you in the right direction, there is probably a
filehandler (a filetype plugin) for HTML that is setting "ai"
(autoindent) when HTML files are loaded, so that would override the
setting in your .vimrc. Check the vim.org website and vim help files
for file handlers.

You'll want to create a ~/.vim/ftplugin directory and copy the
html.vim file from your global vim directory into ~/.vim/ftplugin and
edit it to remove the `set autoindent`.

(You can always `:set noai` during your vim session, but it will only
affect that session)

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Re: Limiting access to website ???

[Aaron]

Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said,
> We are working on a web-based application.  It will use mod_ssl to
> secure transactions.
> 
> We want to limit access to the application.  Yes, we have
> username/password authentication; but, we are also considering
> host-based limits.
> 
> Can this be done with [mod_]ssl?  Can access to a website require a
> certificate on the browser side?  If so, please, point me in the right
> direction (e.g., URL's, documentation, applications, &c.)

Dare I suggest www.apache.org?

> 
> What do you think?
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Re: making a disk image

[Vikki Roemer]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:08:31AM -0700, Marshal Wong wrote:
> 
> I think 'dd' might work for that.  Try man dd or info dd for more
> information.  You use it for writing disk images, so I guess it should
> work backwards too.
> 
> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=filename.img

Thanks, that worked! :)

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Re: system reboots before booting

[Svenn Are Bjerkem]

On Wednesday 13 August 2003 21:28, David Fokkema wrote:
> Hmmm... this looks good as far as I can see... What I don't understand
> is that lilo complained that the map file and the boot sector were on
> different drives. I _never_ got that error. However, it might mean
> nothing...

It means nothing. It is just a warning
I  got the same message during the same problem after moving my stuff from 
hdb2 to hda2 because I got a new and better disk. I downloaded source of lilo 
and checked the particular warning message. lilo store the bios number of the 
harddisk in root in bios_root and the bios number of the boot device in 
bios_boot and if you use a floppy it has bios number 0x00 and the bios_root 
will have , say 0x80 and these two numbers are checked with a == against each 
other. Unless the nowarn flag is set, the message is printed.

I was wasting many hours trying to track my problem back to this message.
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Re: Anyone else notice that Swen is slowing down?

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 01:46:38PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> A!
> 
> I don't care if Linux has 90% desktop share, there's no way that an
> auto-running (or double-click-needing) email virus is going to aff-
> ect me, unless the people who write the MUA that I happen to be using
> at the time *design* the MUA to do such a thing.

H... This entire thread started because of us getting bombarded by
swen. How can you say that we won't be effected :)

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frustration building, please help(was: does debian xfree support my video?)

[skippi]

>= Original Message From Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>
>Building Debian packages is relatively straightforward.  Just 'apt-get
>install dpkg-dev'
>
>This will give you all the necessary package building tools.

I did that.  So far, so good.

>Then, as I said before, just untar the upstream source package (the big
>one), move into that directory and untar the Debian branch file.
>Execute dpkg-buildpackage, and off you go.

Ok still, got 'em, untarred 'em.

>If it seems like too much trouble, then just grab the packages I
>indicated in my previous mail by adding the relevant line to your
>/etc/apt/sources.list.  Those packages are by Daniels (I believe he is a
>Debian Developer) and are excellent packages.  They are the same ones I
>run on my machine.

I'll will come back to this in a moment.

>Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
>
>-Roberto

Not only do I need assistance, I need something to break.  Seriously, I 
haven't been this mad at a computer in years.  Ok...  here's the story.

When I execute dpkg-buildpackage I get a list of unmet build dependancies.  I 
can like with that, so I write down all the names and start using apt-get to 
install the needing packages.  That takes care of many of them.  However, I 
still have unmet dependencies.

Some of them, such as cpp-3.2 claim to be installed (according to apt-get).  
Others, such as debhelper, do not exist.  I tried searching for some of these 
packages in the packages section at debian.org.  Some exist as testing (is it 
safe to install those?) and some don't exist at all.

Here are my unmet dependencies:
cpp-3.2
po-debconf
debhelper >=4.1.16
libglide3-dev >=2002.04.10-3
libfontconfig1-dev
fontconfig
libxft2-dev
libxrender-dev
libxcursor-dev

Can anyone advise me on these packages??  Please, please, please...

I'm glad my Windoze install is working.  I think I'm going to fire up a game 
and kill something.

Thank you in advance for any and all assitance.  Oh, and for those of you just 
joining in, I'm trying to build, or install, XFree v4.3.  I have the files to 
build it, also the deb files to install it, but I can't upgrade as the 
packages are kept back.  I would surmise they require the same dependencies as 
I need to build it.

Adrian

P.S.  If my lines are not wrapping I've very sorry.  This is not my normal 
email software, it's web based email thru my college, and it has not controls 
for txt vs html, nor for line wrapping.  I know how much reading non wrapped 
lines stinks.  I hate it also.



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Re: Limiting access to website ???

[Dave Carrigan]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 12:50:39PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> We are working on a web-based application.  It will use mod_ssl to
> secure transactions.
> 
> We want to limit access to the application.  Yes, we have
> username/password authentication; but, we are also considering
> host-based limits.
> 
> Can this be done with [mod_]ssl?  

No, but it can be done with apache, which is what I presume you are using.

> Can access to a website require a certificate on the browser side?  

Yes.

> If so, please, point me in the right direction (e.g., URL's, documentation,
> applications, &c.)

http://httpd.apache.org/

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Re: Limiting access to website ???

[Michael D Schleif]

Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:04:15:02:38-0400] scribed:
> Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said,
> > We are working on a web-based application.  It will use mod_ssl to
> > secure transactions.
> > 
> > We want to limit access to the application.  Yes, we have
> > username/password authentication; but, we are also considering
> > host-based limits.
> > 
> > Can this be done with [mod_]ssl?  Can access to a website require a
> > certificate on the browser side?  If so, please, point me in the right
> > direction (e.g., URL's, documentation, applications, &c.)
> 
> Dare I suggest www.apache.org?

Yes, you may.

I have reacquainted myself with this:

   

However, I am wondering whether or not this can be done with SSL-type
certificates?  I admit that I have not gone completely through all of
the mod_auth* alternatives . . .

I am clear how SSL certificates establish trust -- client/browser trust
of the remote webserver/application.

Can this be inverted?  Can the webserver/application establish trust of
the client/browser via certificates, or something similar?  We are
looking for some authentication of the client side that does *not*
require userland interaction.

If this is google-able, please, help me with search criteria . . .

What do you think?

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Re: antispam, sylpheed?

[klaus imgrund]

On Saturday 04 October 2003 15:58, Alfredo Valles wrote:
> Looking for the easiest solution for the spam problem for people like me 
that 
> don't have access to the mail server I saw the sylpheed-claws mail client 
> that have a plug-in for spamassassin and other to use one antivirus.
> Have someone tried it?
> 
> 
Didn't work for me but you can use Spamassassin also with kmail and evolution.
Just make a filter to pipe the mail thru spamassassin and have it marked by it 
to sort it out with another filter.

Prost,

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Re: A novice having trouble with X window on install

[Michael C.]

In linux.debian.user,
Charles Forelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Michael,
>  
>  Thanks. I ran xf86config as you suggested, selecting the generic video card
>  option since I didn't see mine (Intel chipset 82810E) in the list. (I
>  checked XF86Config file, and it just put vga in for the driver. I tried
>  startx 'which twm'
>  
>  This is what I got back:
>  
>  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or
>  directory
>  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: No such
>  file or directory
>  giving up.
>  xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server
>  xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
>  
>  Now, I do have a /usr/bin/X11 directory, and there's lots of stuff in it,
>  but apparently not a file called 'X'
>  
>  That seems like a problem, right? I didn't do anything fancy, just used the
>  Debian installer.
>  

That is definately a problem.  Do you get anything with
which X
?

In the past X has always been a (sym)link to the appropriate server, in
my case running Deb 3.0r1, XFree86 Version 4.1.0.1, X is an elf binary,
not a link.  You could try

su -c "cd /usr/bin/X11 ; ln XFree86 X"

As long as its already broken expertimenting can't hurt.  Unfortunately
I'd fall back on reinstalling, there should be a way to force the
reinstall of just that package, I don't know for sure which package, and
it's probably moderately large.

Hopefully someone can give you details on which package and how to force
it.

Good Luck,

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Re: 802.11(b|a|g) cards in Linux

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 12:13, Ed Lawson wrote:
> Alex Malinovich wrote:
> 
> >
> >Thanks very much for the heads up about the madwifi project. I just went
> >out and picked up a Linksys 802.11A+G PCMCIA card for my laptop, and
> >after a bit of fiddling, got it up and running. It's working great!
> >
> >  
> >
> Which Linksys card and what tinkering was needed.  TIA

(Replying on-list for the benefit of archive searches)

The Linksys card is the WPC55AG CardBus card. As far as tinkering is
concerned, very little actually.

Go to http://www.sf.net/projects/madwifi and get the module from CVS.
Once you have it locally, just do a "make; make install" and you're
pretty much done. Note that you might need to set KERNEL_PATH in
Makefile.inc to point to your kernel headers. Then just make sure you
have PCMCIA support built properly (ds yenta_socket and pcmcia_core
modules), load the appropriate modules, and you're all set to go. The
order of the module loads is kind of tricky though modconf usually takes
care of it ok. If you have any problems, load the modules in this order:

1) pcmcia_core
2) yenta_Socket
3) ds
4) ath_hal
5) wlan
6) ath_pci

Then you're all set to go. I immediately added a description for ath0 to
/etc/network/interfaces so that I could do a 'ifup ath0' instead of
having to use ifconfig manually.

Everything is relatively straightforward. My description actually
probably makes it sound more difficult than it is. :) The only thing I
haven't gotten working yet is the tools in the wireless-tools package so
that I can do some extra configuration and link monitoring. But the
connection is working great. (Actually, I'm sending this with no wires
connected to my laptop :) )

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freedom of debian

[Jason Housewright]

Greetings again and thanks for the replies dealing
with lilo and grub (sounds like a bad movie doesn't
it?). I hope that I'm not being too general with this
next question...

Using Debian, is it fair to say that one has more
freedom regarding the software
installed...specifically, I mean that my experience
with GNU/Linux thus far has been that if you want to
install an upgraded version of something...say mozilla
for example, or KDE, that you have to overcome the
older packages...I've been using an rpm distro if that
clarifies a bit. Anyway, I want to be able to put what
I want on my computer without having to go through a
song and a dance so to speak just to get it. Perhaps
I'm just lazy. You all have been great and this list
is really informative. Thanks for your help. You are
greatly appreciated.

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Re: frustration building, please help(was: does debian xfree support my video?)

[Travis Crump]

skippi wrote:
Thank you in advance for any and all assitance.  Oh, and for those of you just 
joining in, I'm trying to build, or install, XFree v4.3.  I have the files to 
build it, also the deb files to install it, but I can't upgrade as the 
packages are kept back.  I would surmise they require the same dependencies as 
I need to build it.

Adrian

If you just want XFree 4.3 than check out one of the sources listed at 
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Re: Limiting access to website ???

[Michael D Schleif]

Dave Carrigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:04:12:31:02-0700] scribed:
> On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 12:50:39PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> > We are working on a web-based application.  It will use mod_ssl to
> > secure transactions.
> > 
> > We want to limit access to the application.  Yes, we have
> > username/password authentication; but, we are also considering
> > host-based limits.
> > 
> > Can this be done with [mod_]ssl?  
> 
> No, but it can be done with apache, which is what I presume you are using.
> 
> > Can access to a website require a certificate on the browser side?  
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > If so, please, point me in the right direction (e.g., URL's, documentation,
> > applications, &c.)
> 
> http://httpd.apache.org/

What am I missing?

I have read this:

   

As I responded to Aaron's message, we are looking for some kind of
passive authentication, like an SSL Certificate.

We do not want to have to rely on humans remembering another
username/password, especially since the web application already has that
control.

We do not want the complications intrinsic to an httpd.conf embedded
ACL.

I know that I appear to be hung up on SSL Certificates; but, that model
appears to meet our needs -- if only I can find the requisite
documentation.

Yes, two of you have suggested apache.org, and that is helpful.
Nevertheless, I have not found what I am looking for on their site.  Can
you point me to a more specific URL?

What do you think?

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Re: Thank you Jan, Michael C. and steef...

[Michael C.]

In linux.debian.user,
Charles Forelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>  ...for your help with X-Window problem. It's working now. I did need to use
>  apt-get to install as steef suggested. It seems that critical part wasn't
>  installed. (Though a lot of other X-Window stuff was.)

What package(s) did you have to apt-get install?  I didn't see a message
stating which package from Steef.  BTW, please don't start multiple
threads for the same problem, use reply/follow up whichever is
appropriate.

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Wrong /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1

[Stefan Karrmann]

Hi,

everytime after updating some packages I have to update
/usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1. Why does this happen?

I use:
Package: gcc-3.3
Version: 1:3.3-2

Package: libgcc1
Version: 1:3.3.1-0pre0

After running:
# apt-get install alsa-source mplayer-k7 mencoder-k7
[...]
I check it again, but:
# apt-get install alsa-source mplayer-k7 mencoder-k7
apt-get: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.3' not found
(required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5)

My fix after each installation is:
# ( cd /usr/local/lib && ln -sf /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 . )

Any hints? How can I fix this behaviour?

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re re re xwindows_problem

[steef]

you 're welcome,

steef



...for your help with X-Window problem. It's working now. I did need to use 
apt-get to install as steef suggested. It seems that critical part wasn't 
installed. (Though a lot of other X-Window stuff was.)

But all is well now.

Thanks,

Charles.

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Re: Wrong /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1

[Travis Crump]

Stefan Karrmann wrote:
Hi,

everytime after updating some packages I have to update
/usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1. Why does this happen?
I use:
Package: gcc-3.3
Version: 1:3.3-2
Package: libgcc1
Version: 1:3.3.1-0pre0
After running:
# apt-get install alsa-source mplayer-k7 mencoder-k7
[...]
I check it again, but:
# apt-get install alsa-source mplayer-k7 mencoder-k7
apt-get: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.3' not found
(required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5)
My fix after each installation is:
# ( cd /usr/local/lib && ln -sf /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 . )
Any hints? How can I fix this behaviour?

Sincerly,
#rm /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1

I am not sure why exactly it exists[unless you know some reason]...


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Re: antispam, sylpheed?

[Alfredo Valles]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:40:46 -0300
klaus imgrund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 04 October 2003 15:58, Alfredo Valles wrote:
> > Looking for the easiest solution for the spam problem for people like me 
> that 
> > don't have access to the mail server I saw the sylpheed-claws mail client 
> > that have a plug-in for spamassassin and other to use one antivirus.
> > Have someone tried it?
> > 
> > 
> Didn't work for me 

Why it didn't work if I may ask?


> but you can use Spamassassin also with kmail and evolution.
> Just make a filter to pipe the mail thru spamassassin and have it marked by it 
> to sort it out with another filter.

I don't have a clue about how to make a filter rule that make a pipe or mark mail. 
Can you tell me briefly how you do that?

I must say that I'm beginning to like sylpheed. (There must be something wrong with me 
;-) )
I would only like to change the fonts used to display the received mail subjects but I 
can't find this option in the configuration. 
May be have something to do with the gnome config?





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Re: Limiting access to website ???

[Dave Carrigan]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:

> What am I missing?
> 
> I have read this:
> 
>
> 
> As I responded to Aaron's message, we are looking for some kind of
> passive authentication, like an SSL Certificate.

The mod_ssl docs should have everything you need to know.

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Incomplete manpage in pkg "ifupdown" on Woody

[Soren A]

Hello Users of Debian,

I spent several weeks visiting and revisiting the issue of how to configure my 
laptop's network setup and have noticed that something always seemed to be 
missing. What I discovered finally was that indeed something has been: on 
stable (Woody) the manpage for the base package "ifupdown" is incomplete. 
However a patch had been submitted (see:

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=141634

The incompleteness mentioned is that the dirs 
/etc/network/if-{up,down,[etc]}.d/ , their use and role, are not mentioned in 
the "interfaces" manpage at all. However it's also really glaringly clear how 
incomplete the documentation for the "mapping" part of the syntax of 
/etc/network/interfaces.

Unless I've missed something, perusal of the Debian packages (0.6.4-4 is the 
version of ifupdown for Woody) shows that there's never been offered an update 
to stable, to fix this. Wonder why? If patches have been submitted (many going 
back to 2002 or even 2001) why are they not being retroactively applied to the 
stable release?

I strongly feel that documentation omissions pertaining to such a core part of 
the Debian distro are high-priority. How are new Debian users supposed to find 
out what the "Debian way" of configuring network interfaces is, when the first 
place users look for documentation is grossly inadequate? Debian seems to place 
a lot of emphasis on providing timely security updates: how about the awareness 
that security updates don't mean much if people have grown so frustrated that 
they abandon the distro entirely! It seems very much to me as if someone is 
asleep at the wheel here.

In the Debian bug report logs at bugs.debian.org, many users have commented 
that the omission has cost them hours of wasted time.

Is there anything about the functionality of ifupdown-0.6.4-4.6 (the unstable 
release) that breaks on stable or provides misleading documentation? If not, 
why can't this be offered to Woody users through the update mechanism used for 
security fixes? Why do users have to go on these tricky and time-consuming 
"easter-egg hunts" to find out about this sort of stuff?

Please direct all comments about "arrogant tone" and "unpaid volunteers" to 
/dev/null. I certainly will retroactively. My hope is that even if this posting 
merely provokes knee-jerk defensive effluent from the Debian Apologists Corp, 
some other new users will find it and be warned thereby in time to save them 
some trouble.

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Re: Limiting access to website ???

[Frank Gevaerts]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> As I responded to Aaron's message, we are looking for some kind of
> passive authentication, like an SSL Certificate.
> 
> We do not want to have to rely on humans remembering another
> username/password, especially since the web application already has that
> control.
> 
> We do not want the complications intrinsic to an httpd.conf embedded
> ACL.
> 
> I know that I appear to be hung up on SSL Certificates; but, that model
> appears to meet our needs -- if only I can find the requisite
> documentation.

Have you tried google ?
http://www.google.com/search?q=apache+certificate+authentication

Using that, I found http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_howto.html#ToC9
which seems to be about what you want to do

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A note of thanks

[Sidney Brooks]

About a week ago, I sent a number of postings to this
site about my difficulties in installing woody. Thanks
to a number of helpful respondents, I now have a
working debian woody, including a usb printer.

I am impressed by the quality of this distribution and
believe that a good installation guide is what is
needed to make debian more popular.

There were two publications that I found particularly
useful:
1. On installing debian.
www.darknet.org.uk/content/how_to_install_debian_3.0.html

2.On configuring a kernel.
www.linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=2

I believe that if these two publications were combined
into an install document in place of the official
install document, most people would be able to
successfully install debian without endless hours of
effort. As an example of the difference, the cited
document tells which choices to make in Tasksel. Much
of my trouble came from not selecting C and C++.

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Re: how to use two HDDs in one external IEEE1394 case

[funky soul]

hi funky,

On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:35:34 +0200
funky soul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i just bought an external harddisk case from Roline 
> which is designed for two HDDs. after playing around with the modules, hotplug
> and rescan-scs-bus.sh i'm able to access one HDD but i cannot detect/access
> the second one. can anyone tell me what i have to do to get the second hdd to
> work?

a 2.4.22 kernel built from the debian kernel-source package solves this.
both harddives are being detected correctly now.

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