Re: make-kpkg compiled kernel is too big
* Alphonse Ogulla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030826 11:56]: > compiled kernel as follows:- > atlas:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg --initrd clean kernel_image > and also tried > atlas:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg clean binary > > Where could I be going wrong? Your could try to use the -bzimage parameter of make-kpkg. Yours sincerely Alexander pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T14:25:32Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics toolkit, > even > > > > Admiral Hooper would not say that COBOL is the proper tool. OTOH, > for > > > > large commercial apps, COBOL is far and away the best tool for the > > > > job. . . . > > > > > > > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:47 PM > > To: Debian-User > > Subject: Re: COBOL compiler > > > > > The greatness of COBOL is the fact that it is a honed tool. Just > > as C is great for low-level work, COBOL is *designed* to move, > > process, sort, summarize, etc. fixed-length records around. > > > > For example, COBOL has intrinsic constructs for easily handling > > ISAM files in a variety of manners. Likewise, there is a very > > powerful intrinsic SORT verb. > > > > Yes, but how does that compare with similarly powerful features in Perl? I *knew* someone would ask about the Programmable Extraction and Reporting Language... Please don't think that I am implying that Perl or C are bad languages. I certainly wouldn't write a logfile analyzer in COBOL. For my knowledge, how would Perl sort the contents of a file, allowing the programmer to use a complex algorithm as an input filter, and then take the output stream, processing it 1 record at a time, without needing to write to and then read from temporary files with all of the extra SLOC that that entails? One thing that I don't think that any of the "modern" languages do, without extra libraries and function calls, is BCD arithmatic. Here's a simplistic example of how COBOL is specialized: Say we have 2 record definitions: 01 A-SMALL-REC. 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15). 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15). 01 A-LARGE-REC. 05 HONORIFIC PIC X(5). 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15). 05 MIDDLE-I PIC X. 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15). 05 MODIFIER PIC X(5). MOVE 'JOHN' TO A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME. MOVE 'DOE' TO A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME. MOVE SPACES TO A-LARGE-REC. MOVE CORRESPONDING A-SMALL-REC TO A-LARGE-REC. Here, A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME and A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME will be moved to the corresponding fields in A-LARGE-REC. In such a trivial example, so what? If, however, there are many fields in A-SMALL-REC, then MOVE CORRESPONDING is a big coding time-saver, and ensures that if the records definitions ever change, the code will still work. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA The difference between drunken sailors and Congressmen is that drunken sailors spend their own money. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: ssh tunneling
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:01:05AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: | On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:44:32 -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote : [...] | > ICMP is extremely useful and is, in fact, required for | > correct operation of TCP and IP. Do not block ICMP. | | ..no rule witout exeption: these 2 minutes _are_ useful in tarpits, | to help slow vira propagation: True, sort of. (it's more fun to pull the legs off one at a time than to smash it quickly) If you want to do that, then install LaBrea on a spare machine and let it draw out the virus' connection without much consumption of your network resources. However, don't do that on a regular machine that you expect to usefully use the network with. (if you don't run a given service on a network node, then 'DROP'ing the TCP SYN packet rather than 'REJECT'ing it with the firwall is a good way to put the 2 minute timeout on the virus, eg for nimbda probing your web server) -D -- What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? Mark 8:36-37 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Anyone packaging this yet?
If noone is packaging davfs yet, then I might consider it. I am talking to the author to see if it is still maintained, then I will give it a go. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: icmp filtering (was: ssh tunneling)
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:40:32AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
| * P. Kallakuri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 11:06]:
| > by default ICMP traffic is disabled and when i setup a firewall in our
| > research lab about 3 years back, thats how i left it. our research
| > machines were open on the internet when we got a series of nasty
| > infiltration attempts. i could not figure out why someone would do that
| > with research computers in the university system. anyways we had years
| > of valuable research data on the machines that were being compromised,
| > so i (having got nothing to do with networking or administration) read
| > about and setup this gateway/firewall. i was aware that disabling ICMP
| > would keep outside machines wondering whatever happened to their
| > traffic. but if thats what it takes to keep out some guy who runs a
| > "find-all-live-hosts" discovery script (thats how most of the machines
| > in our university system were hacked into), then we have to do it. our
| > tech guys really don't bother about research networks. but really if
| > there is a more effective mechanizm to keep intruders from knowing
| > whether a hack-candidate exists, i would be more than willing to do that.
|
| This practice of trying to become invisible is known as "security
| through obscurity". There is no inherent danger in being pingable, and
| there is no inherent security in not being pingable. There are myriad
| other ways to tell if a host is up on a given address.
Correct.
| (An ICMP ping
('ping' is the program. The ICMP packet is an "Echo Request".)
ping is just _one_ usage of ICMP. ICMP consists of many different
types of packets. If you really want to block echo requests, you can
do that without blocking the rest of the IMCP packets.
-D
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Who can understand it?
I the Lord search the heart
and examine the mind,
to reward a man according to his conduct,
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SmartArray 5312
This e-mail is to provide the solution to my problem, in case others
need it.
The CCISS driver used by the Compaq SmartArray uses 64-bit DMA by
default on the vanilla linux kernel. In servers with more than 4GB of
ram (with the 64G option selected at compile time) this causes the raid
array to hang when under load. Note that only the array hangs, the rest
of the system remains usable.
The solution to this, provided by HP, is to disable 64-bit DMA in the
2.4 kernel series. Supposedly the RedHat kernel contains a fix that
doesn't involve disabling 64-bit DMA.
The following is a patch for 2.4.21 to disable 64-bit DMA:
diff -burN lx2421.orig/drivers/block/cciss.c linux-2.4.21/drivers/block/cciss.c
--- lx2421.orig/drivers/block/cciss.c 2003-06-13 09:51:32.0 -0500
+++ linux-2.4.21/drivers/block/cciss.c 2003-07-23 08:38:32.0 -0500
@@ -2834,17 +2834,6 @@
hba[i]->ctlr = i;
hba[i]->pdev = pdev;
- /* configure PCI DMA stuff */
- if (!pci_set_dma_mask(pdev, (u64) 0x))
- printk("cciss: using DAC cycles\n");
- else if (!pci_set_dma_mask(pdev, (u64) 0x))
- printk("cciss: not using DAC cycles\n");
- else {
- printk("cciss: no suitable DMA available\n");
- free_hba(i);
- return -ENODEV;
- }
-
if (register_blkdev(MAJOR_NR+i, hba[i]->devname, &cciss_fops)) {
printk(KERN_ERR "cciss: Unable to get major number "
"%d for %s\n", MAJOR_NR+i, hba[i]->devname);
End Of Patch
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Re: xine runs slow when watching DVDs
Your computer may be having problems actually getting the video data from your
DVD drive to the rest of the PC.
Have a look at hdparm as this might help
Craig
On Tuesday 26 Aug 2003 6:21 pm, Peter Nuttall wrote:
> I am trying to use xine to watch DVDs but It keeps jerking and dropping
> frames. I have a Athon 2000XP processor and 256MB of RAM which I think
> should be OK. the graphics card is a NVIDIA TNT2 using the nvidia drivers.
> I have included both the output of xvinfo and the file ~/.xine/config if
> that helps. I am sorry the email is so large but I was not sure what was
> needed.
>
> Thanks
>
> pete
>
>
> vidtune xvinfo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xvinfo
> X-Video Extension version 2.2
> screen #0
> Adaptor #0: "NV04 Video Overlay"
> number of ports: 1
> port base: 87
> operations supported: PutImage
> supported visuals:
> depth 24, visualID 0x21
> depth 24, visualID 0x23
> depth 24, visualID 0x24
> depth 24, visualID 0x25
> depth 24, visualID 0x26
> depth 24, visualID 0x27
> depth 24, visualID 0x28
> depth 24, visualID 0x29
> depth 24, visualID 0x22
> depth 24, visualID 0x2a
> depth 24, visualID 0x2b
> depth 24, visualID 0x2c
> depth 24, visualID 0x2d
> depth 24, visualID 0x2e
> depth 24, visualID 0x2f
> depth 24, visualID 0x30
> number of attributes: 4
> "XV_DOUBLE_BUFFER" (range 0 to 1)
> client settable attribute
> client gettable attribute (current value is 1)
> "XV_COLORKEY" (range 0 to 16777215)
> client settable attribute
> client gettable attribute (current value is 66046)
> "XV_AUTOPAINT_COLORKEY" (range 0 to 1)
> client settable attribute
> client gettable attribute (current value is 1)
> "XV_SET_DEFAULTS" (range 0 to 0)
> client settable attribute
> maximum XvImage size: 2046 x 2046
> Number of image formats: 4
> id: 0x32595559 (YUY2)
> guid: 59555932--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 16
> number of planes: 1
> type: YUV (packed)
> id: 0x32315659 (YV12)
> guid: 59563132--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 12
> number of planes: 3
> type: YUV (planar)
> id: 0x59565955 (UYVY)
> guid: 55595659--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 16
> number of planes: 1
> type: YUV (packed)
> id: 0x30323449 (I420)
> guid: 49343230--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 12
> number of planes: 3
> type: YUV (planar)
> Adaptor #1: "NV05 Video Blitter"
> number of ports: 32
> port base: 88
> operations supported: PutImage
> supported visuals:
> depth 24, visualID 0x21
> depth 24, visualID 0x23
> depth 24, visualID 0x24
> depth 24, visualID 0x25
> depth 24, visualID 0x26
> depth 24, visualID 0x27
> depth 24, visualID 0x28
> depth 24, visualID 0x29
> depth 24, visualID 0x22
> depth 24, visualID 0x2a
> depth 24, visualID 0x2b
> depth 24, visualID 0x2c
> depth 24, visualID 0x2d
> depth 24, visualID 0x2e
> depth 24, visualID 0x2f
> depth 24, visualID 0x30
> no port attributes defined
> maximum XvImage size: 2046 x 2046
> Number of image formats: 5
> id: 0x32595559 (YUY2)
> guid: 59555932--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 16
> number of planes: 1
> type: YUV (packed)
> id: 0x32315659 (YV12)
> guid: 59563132--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 12
> number of planes: 3
> type: YUV (planar)
> id: 0x59565955 (UYVY)
> guid: 55595659--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 16
> number of planes: 1
> type: YUV (packed)
> id: 0x30323449 (I420)
> guid: 49343230--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 12
> number of planes: 3
> type: YUV (planar)
> id: 0x3
> guid: 0300--0010-8000-00aa00389b71
> bits per pixel: 32
> number of planes: 1
> type: RGB (packed)
> depth: 0
> red, green, blue masks: 0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
>
>
> xine config
>
> #
> # xine config file
> #
> .version:1
>
> # Windows stacking (more)
> # bool, default: 0
> gui.always_layer_above:0
>
> # Amplification level
> # [0..200], default: 100
> gui.amp_level:100
>
> # Visiblility behavior of panel
> # bool, default: 0
> gui.auto_panel_visibility:0
>
> # Visibility behavior of output window
> # bool, default: 0
> gui.auto_video_output_visibility:0
>
> # Event sender behavior
> # bool, default: 1
> gui.eventer_sticky:1
>
> # Configuration experience level
> # { Beginner Advanced Expert Master of the known universe }, default: 0
> gui.experience_level:Beginner
>
> #
Re: dealing with TNEF at the MTA/MDA level
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030825 15:12]: > Has anyone composed a procmail recipe or a postfix method to > automatically unpack TNEF files (the Microsoft crap) and replace the > winmail.dat file in the original message with the results? Would you > share that with me? > I don't have the MTA/MDA-level stuff, but have you looked at the tnef package? It sounds promising. It should be easy to have your filter just make a call to that program to do the real work. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: COBOL compiler
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Too bad you have such a negative view of COBOL. In the hands of > > > someone with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. > > > > All Turing-complete languages are equally powerful. That doesn't mean > > that any given one would fill me with a desire to start hacking around > > with it. > > > > You know, I'd never seen Cobol before the screenshots on your link. > > Those just confirmed everything I've heard about it. :) > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics toolkit, even > Admiral Hooper would not say that COBOL is the proper tool. OTOH, > for large commercial apps, COBOL is far and away the best tool for > the job. I particularly like the way it deletes the most significant figure(s) when you get an overflow in a numeric field. Or so it did last time I had anything to do with it. Considering that it was developed within the US Navy who likely would not want their expenditure totals accurately reported that feature may not have been a design snafu, it might have been deliberate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CUPS - really did it now
OK, I'm rather more confused than I was two days ago when I had some of CUPS working. I have a server that seems to be working just fine. Haven't changed anything there. But now my client is really messed up and I'm rather confused about it. I removed the package lpd. Now I can't print to cups. Before this, and currently, I have cupsys-bsd installed, but no information on how it's supposed to work. /usr/share/doc/cupsys-bsd is a little sparse. It would seem that I might need to reinstall lpd. no... Then cupsys-client and cupsys-bsd get listed for removal and I really don't want that. So I thought maybe there was something in the /etc/printcap file that might be of some significance. I had a remote printer defined from way back (years) and it was pointed to an IP address that was no longer in use. So I don't think there is much there. my line printer doesn't work. I don't think Open Office does either, but right now I can't even get it to load... ... I reconfigured (dpkg-reconfigure cupsys-bsd) and set the option to Yes. Still nothing going on. -- Lay off the muses, it's a very tough dollar. -- S.J. Perelman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Power off
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 21:50, Frank Hrebabetzky wrote: > My computer doesn't switch off upon 'shutdown -h now', so I looked around > on the net and found: > > To switch the power off on shutdown in Linux: > - Compile apm into the kernel > - Add the following line in /etc/lilo.conf: append="apm=on apm=power-off" > - Enter 'lilo' on the command prompt Just for kicks, try it with APM enabled in the kernel but without the kernel parameters. Works for me. -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Volunteers needed! > http://debtoo.org .."* This website sucks." Toss it in http://validator.w3.org/ ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: virus (was: ssh tunneling)
>From OED online. [a. L. vrus slimy liquid, poison, offensive odour or taste. Hence also F., Sp., Pg. virus. In Lanfranc's Cirurgie (c 1400) 77 the word, explained as 'a thin venomy quitter', is merely taken over from the Latin text.] 1. Venom, such as is emitted by a poisonous animal. Also fig. 2. Path.a. A morbid principle or poisonous substance produced in the body as the result of some disease, esp. one capable of being introduced into other persons or animals by inoculations or otherwise and of developing the same disease in them. Now superseded by the next sense. b. Pl. viruses. An infectious organism that is usu. submicroscopic, can multiply only inside certain living host cells (in many cases causing disease) and is now understood to be a non-cellular structure lacking any intrinsic metabolism and usually comprising a DNA or RNA core inside a protein coat (see also quot. 1977). Formerly referred to as filterable viruses, their first distinguishing characteristic being the ability to pass through filters that retained bacteria. c. colloq. A virus infection. 3. fig. A moral or intellectual poison, or poisonous influence. Also in weakened use, an infectious fear, anxiety, etc. 4. Violent animosity; virulence. 5. attrib. and Comb., as (sense 2b) virus disease, infection, particle; virus-carried, -containing, -free, -induced, -infected, -like adjs.; virus pneumonia, pneumonia caused by a virus rather than a bacterium. APPENDED FROM ADDITIONS 1993 virus, n. Add:[2.] d. Computing. Any sequence of code (esp. one capable of being inserted in other programs) which when executed causes itself to be copied into other locations, and which is therefore capable of propagating itself within the memory of a computer or across a network, usually with deleterious results. See also computer virus s.v. *COMPUTER n. 3. Matt -- > -Original Message- > From: Florian Ernst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 3:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT: virus (was: ssh tunneling) > > > On Tuesday 26 August 2003 03:40, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:01:05AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >> ..no rule witout exeption: these 2 minutes _are_ useful in > tarpits, > >> to help slow vira propagation: > > > > That's a new plural of "virus" to me ... > > > > ["viri" and "virii" are both wrong. The first is made up by > assuming > > that "virus" is a Latin masculine second declension noun, > which it's > > not (it's neuter), and "viri" is actually the plural of "vir" and > > means "men". The second is just utterly weird, though strangely > > popular, and is constructed on top of a made-up second declension > > noun, "virius". "vira" is probably better than anything > else, because > > at least it's neuter, but really seems more like the plural of > > "virum". Anyway, there are no recorded instances of a Latin > plural of > > "virus", because its meaning back then was abstract and not > something > > you could really pluralize. The only English plural of the word is > > simply "viruses". > > > > This concludes today's pedantry.] > > Sorry for being late, just some more pedantry: > > virus, -i n. (no plural) > Coming from old-indian višám via old-greek viros (sorry, > don't know how to enter the correct letters and accents) into > latin. The greek word means simply "venom / poison", whereas > the latin word can be translated as "slime", "poison", or as > a metaphor for "slaver / foam / venom" (compare Vergilius: > destillat ab inguine virus), the old-indian word on the other > hand just had an abstract meaning. I'd think the English > plural is "viruses", in German at least it is "Viren", and > nothing else ;) > > Thanks to Mr. Schüller and Ms. Altenburg for six years of > boring Latin lesson, and no, I still don't think Caesar was a > great man. > > Back to work, > sorry for pedantry, > Flo > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
--BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Some time after I left the COBOL job, I was employed writing C > in an app that screamed for COBOL. I'd say that 1/5th of the > SLOCs, and most of the bugs, were of the form: >=20 > strncpy(really_long_variable, another_long_variable,=20 > sizeof(another_long_variable)); >=20 > By commercial, I meant record-oriented "data processing" type > software, not programs sold in stores and catalogs or by sales > people. I find that Perl is a very nice language that avoids such low-level problems. There's a whole family of such scripting languages that begin with the letter P. Perl, Python, Php, Pike,... The advantage here is that the main (only?) implementation of each of these languages is an excellent free software implimentation designed for Linux/Unix and ported to every imaginable OS (from VMS to Windows to Plan 9). Other advantages include the fact that these languages are general purpose and can pretty much handle all kinds of problems. And also the fact that they are easily extensible through C. I don't know much about Cobol, but if it's a simple language then I think it might be worth it. But if it's a complex language with such a limited scope then I think it's not so great. SQL is a good example of a simple very specific language. Perl is a good example of a complex very general language. Very specific languages that are too complex are being killed off by languages such as Perl. For example people going from awk to perl (there's even an a2p script that'll do automatic conversion). Bijan --=20 Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/S8kbUof+95vTyAwRAjrHAKCmSiCx8PAnwBpD+5Adp6YIlbmhUgCgrxSN FNA++tMAOa50bwRtLQmU8uI= =wUt3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
eximconfig
I'm trying to configure exim for a satellite (option #3) and keep getting the following errors in my logs: lookup of host "mail.mydomain.tld" failed in smarthost router. I can ping this same address, so I assumed that the DNS was working correctly... I entered the IP address for the mail server in my /etc/hosts file. Not really sure what to do now.. Suggestions? -- "Why must you tell me all your secrets when it's hard enough to love you knowing nothing?" -- Lloyd Cole and the Commotions -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
El Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Volunteers needed! > http://debtoo.org are you going to implement a USE flag equivalent? (note: I don't like USE a lot) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:30:57PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> > > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > For example, COBOL has intrinsic constructs for easily handling
> > > ISAM files in a variety of manners. Likewise, there is a very=20
> > > powerful intrinsic SORT verb.
> > >=20
> >=20
> > Yes, but how does that compare with similarly powerful features in Perl?
>=20
> I *knew* someone would ask about the Programmable Extraction and
> Reporting Language...
>=20
> Please don't think that I am implying that Perl or C are bad languages.
> I certainly wouldn't write a logfile analyzer in COBOL.
>=20
> For my knowledge, how would Perl sort the contents of a file,
> allowing the programmer to use a complex algorithm as an
> input filter, and then take the output stream, processing it
> 1 record at a time, without needing to write to and then read
> from temporary files with all of the extra SLOC that that entails?
1) Read from records from file into an array.
2) Order them with any perl code you want and store them in an array.
3) Use a nice foreach loop to process them.
--- Outline of Perl code ---
#!/usr/bin/perl
@records =3D read_records_function("records.txt");
#either
@sorted =3D sort @records; #to put things in alphabetical order
#or=20
@sorted =3D sort function @records; #to sort using a function
# or even
@sorted =3D sort {sort-function-code} @records; #to have it in-line
foreach $record (@sorted)
{
# code to process records
}
>=20
> One thing that I don't think that any of the "modern" languages
> do, without extra libraries and function calls, is BCD arithmatic.
That's true. You could overload the arithmetic operators in perl to get
this. But it would be using function calls behind your back.
> Here's a simplistic example of how COBOL is specialized:
> Say we have 2 record definitions:
> 01 A-SMALL-REC.
> 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 01 A-LARGE-REC.
> 05 HONORIFIC PIC X(5).
> 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 05 MIDDLE-I PIC X.
> 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 05 MODIFIER PIC X(5).
>=20
> MOVE 'JOHN' TO A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME.
> MOVE 'DOE' TO A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME.
> MOVE SPACES TO A-LARGE-REC.
>=20
> MOVE CORRESPONDING A-SMALL-REC TO A-LARGE-REC.
>=20
> Here, A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME and A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME will be
> moved to the corresponding fields in A-LARGE-REC.
> In such a trivial example, so what? If, however, there are many
> fields in A-SMALL-REC, then MOVE CORRESPONDING is a big coding
> time-saver, and ensures that if the records definitions ever
> change, the code will still work.
That is cool for fixed records. But perl is big on dynamic stuff. In
perl you use hashes (associative arrays) for things like that.
so:
%small =3D (
first_name =3D> "John",
last_name =3D> "Doe",
);
foreach $key (keys %small)
{
$large{$key} =3D $small{$key};
}
Note: I'm not a Perl expert so the examples may be ugly (and might not
even be functional).
Bijan
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Re: Best Way to Look at Streaming Video
I want to correct one point in my origina post, and thank everyone for their responses. On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 10:22:19PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > Discussion a few months ago mentioned http://marillat.free.fr/ both > for the realplayer for Debian package (which no longer seems to be > there) and for mplayer (about which there were mixed comments). > realplayer is available at the site; it's just that there is not version specifically under testing. This fooled me into thinking it wasn't there. By the way, I tried installing mplayer off of testing at the site, but there are some dependency problems blocking it right now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?
On Tuesday 26 Aug 2003 10:25 pm, Pim Bliek wrote: > Hi All, > > Is this just me or is the mailinglist server terribly slow? I sent a > message to the list at 9:15 PM and I got it back 2 hours later around > 11:20 PM So this is 2 full hours to process the email on the Debian > server... Am I correct here? > > Does anyone know why? Has this something to do with Sobig.F? Luckily my > ISP filters out Sobig.F for me, so this saves me the hassle ;). > > Regards, > Pim Bliek hi I don't think so, most of my emails come back in five mins or so. pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Unstable Dep. prevent config. of 5 xserver-xfree86 files
So sorry folks, found the answer using google groups. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/ Bug#206790: missing file on install of 4.2.1-10 As a workaround, do this: # mkdir -m 755 /var/lib/xfree86 && dpkg --configure xserver-common Kind Regards Dan Hunt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: lilo vga= problems after new kernel build
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:09:06 +0200, Olivier (skyshadow) Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > Just built a new 2.4.22 kernel.(Previous one was the standard > installation 2.4.18-bf2.4) > > It's working as expected but my vga=790 setting in lilo makes trouble. ..ok, since you're gonna reboot a lot now, try 'linux 1 vga=799' etc down to 'linux 1 vga=788', or 'linux 1 vga=ask' for an _ugly_ font. > * If set, my display won't show anything: black is black ;-) > * If unset, all boot messages re-appear, as does xdm and I can > log in and enjoy fluxbox. > > This is kind of annoying because I like my consoles at 1024x768. > > Could someone help me out here? > > PS: I did not play with the frame buffer (not activated during kernel > setup) ..no? _Boo_, drop that silly vga=dream.on, and activate and recompile etc. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get -t unstable install gnome fails with unmet dependencies
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 23:08, Adam wrote: > This is a fresh install of debian. I have edited my preferences and > sources.list to be just like those on another system that worked in > January. I just tried it on the other system and it fails there too. > The apt-get -t unstable install gnome fails saying that there are > dependencies that will not be installed. Is this broken? How can I > get it to work? apt will not automatically install packages from unstable if they aren't explicitly listed. Try installing the proper packages from unstable, this should fix it. -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Poptop-server] Re: Problem in using pptp-linux
Arnt, The problem James Ng Yuen Sum is experiencing is with configuring the PPTP client, which is supported by the PPTP client mailing list. I'm the release engineer for the client. I lurk on the PPTP server mailing list to assist occasionally. His statement that "the web sites" recommended an erroneous shell script is astounding. I can only guess that such web sites are outside the normal ones. The instructions for installing PPTP client on Debian is on the PPTP client web site, and they don't mention a script anything like that: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml I wrote these instructions and tested them on Debian GNU/Linux stable (Woody), and continue to occasionally test them on the testing distribution. So I'd ask James Ng Yuen Sum to tell the owner of the web site he is referring to that their instructions are incorrect. I cannot find the instructions via Google, so I presume they are on a private web site. There's nothing wrong with pptp-linux that I can see in the error messages he shows us. The problem is with the script provided by the hidden web site. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ HP Open Source, Volunteer http://opensource.hp.com/ PPTP Client Project, Release Engineer http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
partimage <-> stdio
Does anyone know how to get partimage to stream to/from stdio? I want to use it like so: partimage -d -b save /dev/hda1 - | cdbackup ... but I can't seem to figure out how to do this. Or does partimage make extensive use of seek()? -- Dwayne C. Litzenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The attachment is an OpenPGP (PGP/MIME) signature, which can be used to verify the authenticity of this message. See the message headers for more information. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lilo vga= problems after new kernel build
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:09:06AM +0200, Olivier Robert wrote: > Hi, > > Just built a new 2.4.22 kernel.(Previous one was the standard > installation 2.4.18-bf2.4) > > It's working as expected but my vga=790 setting in lilo makes trouble. > > * If set, my display won't show anything: black is black ;-) > * If unset, all boot messages re-appear, as does xdm and I can log in and > enjoy fluxbox. > > This is kind of annoying because I like my consoles at 1024x768. > > Could someone help me out here? > > PS: I did not play with the frame buffer (not activated during kernel setup) > and I did check the proper option for lilo vga settings (during kernel > setup) Fixed it by playing with the frame buffer ;) I'd better go to bed now: 2:41 am here :) -- .''`'. Olivier Robert : :' :# cat Earth | sed -e s/microsoft/debian/g > Better_World `. `'` `- Debian - Just GNU it! _ Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:22, bob parker wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Too bad you have such a negative view of COBOL. In the hands of > > > > someone with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. > > > > > > All Turing-complete languages are equally powerful. That doesn't mean > > > that any given one would fill me with a desire to start hacking around > > > with it. > > > > > > You know, I'd never seen Cobol before the screenshots on your link. > > > Those just confirmed everything I've heard about it. :) > > > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics toolkit, even > > Admiral Hooper would not say that COBOL is the proper tool. OTOH, > > for large commercial apps, COBOL is far and away the best tool for > > the job. > > I particularly like the way it deletes the most significant figure(s) when > you get an overflow in a numeric field. Or so it did last time I had anything > to do with it. Must have been a compiler option or implementation decision. Our programs machine checked on overflow. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Fair is where you take your cows to be judged." Unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help Please!!
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:51:15AM -0400, William Bradley wrote: > On Tuesday 26 August 2003 02:58 am, Kent West wrote: > > > Whoo-hoo! > > bit premature it seems. (Sigh!) > > > Okay, make sure that gpm is configured to repeat "raw" (either edit > > /etc/gpm.conf, or better, re-run gpmconfig). > > When I set up "gpmconfig" with "fuimps" the mouse moves when I test it. When I > get out of "gpmconfig" it still works. > > However when I "shutdown -r now" when it reboots the mouse is dead again. > Thinking the gpm server is not working, In this apparently dead state, what does 'ps ax | grep gpm' report? > I entered "#gpm" but that did not change anything. No, I don't think it will - see (a) below > Then I go back to "gpmconfig" and get it going again. Sometimes it doesn't > take on the first configuration and has to be done again and then it will > work. Is it actually configured to start gpm on boot? gpmconfig defaults to (re)starting gpm when you run it, but it won't configure gpm to start on boot. a) Does '/etc/init.d/gpm start' (instead of running gpmconfig again) get it going? b) Does 'ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*gpm*' show anything? If (a) is 'yes' and (b) is 'no', the solution is to install a link to start gpm on boot: ln -s /etc/init.d/gpm /etc/rc2.d/S20gpm (there's also a 'Debian way' to do this which I don't know, never having used it :-) ) (It would be nice if gpmconfig offered the option to install/remove this link.) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 16:25, Pim Bliek wrote: > Hi All, > > Is this just me or is the mailinglist server terribly slow? I sent a > message to the list at 9:15 PM and I got it back 2 hours later around > 11:20 PM So this is 2 full hours to process the email on the Debian > server... Am I correct here? > > Does anyone know why? Has this something to do with Sobig.F? Luckily my > ISP filters out Sobig.F for me, so this saves me the hassle ;). I've noticed the same thing on this list and the PostgreSQL lists. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Fair is where you take your cows to be judged." Unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS - really did it now
Tom Allison said on Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 06:27:39PM -0400: > So I thought maybe there was something in the /etc/printcap file that might > be of some significance. I had a remote printer defined from way back > (years) and it was pointed to an IP address that was no longer in use. So > I don't think there is much there. CUPS doesn't use /etc/printcap. Are you use that your server is defined in /etc/cups/client.conf? You need to do that if you're not running cupsd on your clients (cupsd handles the IPP discovery stuff). M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lilo vga= problems after new kernel build
--- "Olivier (skyshadow) Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Hi, > > Just built a new 2.4.22 kernel.(Previous one was the standard > installation 2.4.18-bf2.4) > > It's working as expected but my vga=790 setting in lilo makes trouble. > > * If set, my display won't show anything: black is black ;-) > * If unset, all boot messages re-appear, as does xdm and I can log in and > enjoy fluxbox. > > This is kind of annoying because I like my consoles at 1024x768. > > Could someone help me out here? > > PS: I did not play with the frame buffer (not activated during kernel setup) > and I did check the proper option for lilo vga settings (during kernel > setup) How much RAM does your machine have? ___ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... http://messenger.yahoo.es -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:35, Britton wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > This just isn't true. Perl at least is brought to its knees by a variety > of problems that C has no trouble with whatsoever. I've had simple > pixel-crawling image processing algorithms take a day to run in Perl, when > I rewrote in C about 30 seconds. And that's with PDL (admittedly PDL call > overhead was I think the major thing slowing perl down, but that's hardly > reassuring). The scripting languages just aren't anywhere near as fast as > the older, simpler, compiled ones. Its not that I don't still write first > drafts of many codes in perl, its just that now I budget time to rewrite > them in C if I need to (its still usually faster overall to prototype > first in perl, even if you know you are doomed speed-wise). I don't know > if perl and cobol have the same relationship, or if there are common > business tasks that still need the speed, but it seems like a definite > possibility. You might want to try Python as a prototyping, and even implementation, language. It has many graphics libraries that are coded in C for speed. Thus, you get the benefits of a VHLL plus a LLL (low level language) when speed is needed. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA 4 degrees from Vladimir Putin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:30:57PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> > > > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > For example, COBOL has intrinsic constructs for easily handling
> > > > ISAM files in a variety of manners. Likewise, there is a very
> > > > powerful intrinsic SORT verb.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, but how does that compare with similarly powerful features in Perl?
> >
> > I *knew* someone would ask about the Programmable Extraction and
> > Reporting Language...
> >
> > Please don't think that I am implying that Perl or C are bad languages.
> > I certainly wouldn't write a logfile analyzer in COBOL.
> >
> > For my knowledge, how would Perl sort the contents of a file,
> > allowing the programmer to use a complex algorithm as an
> > input filter, and then take the output stream, processing it
> > 1 record at a time, without needing to write to and then read
> > from temporary files with all of the extra SLOC that that entails?
>
> 1) Read from records from file into an array.
> 2) Order them with any perl code you want and store them in an array.
> 3) Use a nice foreach loop to process them.
> --- Outline of Perl code ---
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> @records = read_records_function("records.txt");
> #either
> @sorted = sort @records; #to put things in alphabetical order
> #or
> @sorted = sort function @records; #to sort using a function
> # or even
> @sorted = sort {sort-function-code} @records; #to have it in-line
> foreach $record (@sorted)
> {
> # code to process records
> }
That's great for in-memory stuff.
What about when there are, say, 10 or 40M records to process?
And what if you only need to SORT a fraction of those 40M records,
and the winnowing algorithm is very complicated, possibly needing
to access other files or database tables in the process?
> > One thing that I don't think that any of the "modern" languages
> > do, without extra libraries and function calls, is BCD arithmatic.
>
> That's true. You could overload the arithmetic operators in perl to get
> this. But it would be using function calls behind your back.
>
> > Here's a simplistic example of how COBOL is specialized:
> > Say we have 2 record definitions:
> > 01 A-SMALL-REC.
> > 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 01 A-LARGE-REC.
> > 05 HONORIFIC PIC X(5).
> > 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 05 MIDDLE-I PIC X.
> > 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 05 MODIFIER PIC X(5).
> >
> > MOVE 'JOHN' TO A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME.
> > MOVE 'DOE' TO A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME.
> > MOVE SPACES TO A-LARGE-REC.
> >
> > MOVE CORRESPONDING A-SMALL-REC TO A-LARGE-REC.
> >
> > Here, A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME and A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME will be
> > moved to the corresponding fields in A-LARGE-REC.
> > In such a trivial example, so what? If, however, there are many
> > fields in A-SMALL-REC, then MOVE CORRESPONDING is a big coding
> > time-saver, and ensures that if the records definitions ever
> > change, the code will still work.
>
> That is cool for fixed records. But perl is big on dynamic stuff. In
Which is why I say that COBOL is a specialized tool, just as, I
think, C should be thought of as a specialized tool.
> perl you use hashes (associative arrays) for things like that.
> so:
> %small = (
> first_name => "John",
> last_name => "Doe",
> );
>
> foreach $key (keys %small)
> {
> $large{$key} = $small{$key};
> }
Interesting, but I'd rather the MOVE CORRESPONDING...
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some reality about iptables, please
I can find all the sites and advice I want about how to form iptables rules, but I can't find any decent discussion of how to enable the damn things. I get the idea that an iptables firewall is set up by actually running a bunch of "iptables -options" lines, presumably from a script. But where do I put the script(s)? There's a mechanism set up in /etc/default/iptables. I quote from the file: # A: I was pretty much hounded into providing it. I do not like it. #Don't use it. Use /etc/network/interfaces, use /etc/network/*.d/ #scripts use /etc/ppp/ip-*.d/ script. Create your own custom #init.d script -- no need to even name it iptables. Use ferm, #ipmasq, ipmenu, guarddog, firestarter, or one of the many other #firewall configuration tools available. Do not use the init.d #script. ... # Q: How do I get started? # A: (Did I mention "do not use it" already? Oh well.) For crissake! Can anyone point me at some sensible discussion of how the hell to go about putting firewall rules in place? I've got a laptop, usually on a cable modem, but sometimes using dial-up. I know generally about the /etc/init.d/rcX.d runlevel mechanism. Now I need a sensible discussion of when and HOW to run what sorts of iptables-rules-containing scripts so I can figure out how to protect my system. Please don't just tell me about "runlevels" - I know they exist already. The Debian Security manual is useless. It only give examples of a few iptables rules, says that's not enough, and speaks not at all (that I've found yet) about how to implement the damn things. Someone somewhere speaks to issue of the actual plumbing to implement iptables. Can anyone point me? thanks much in advance, Bret -- bwaldow at alum dot mit dot edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tool for sending Windows popup messages?
* Carlos Sousa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030826 14:05]: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:49:44 -0700 Vineet Kumar wrote: > > , so I could be wrong, but: > > ... > > ... then so is the man page. > > Apparently. Or I just misinterpreted it. I guess it meant it ignores the netbios names for lookup purposes, but that it's still necessary in order for the host to accept the message. It says that the client will ignore the netbios name, but I guess the server won't accept the message unless the netbios name is correct. I'd bet, though, that if the host is wide open enough to receive a message this way, it's probably enough to be able to use nmblookup to get its netbios name. So the OP could use nmblookup first, and then use that with smbclient's -M, in conjunction with -I. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- "As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously." --Benjamin Franklin pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CUPS - really did it now
Hi Tom, On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:27:39 -0400 Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I removed the package lpd. Now I can't print to cups. Before this, > and currently, I have cupsys-bsd installed, but no information on how > it's supposed to work. /usr/share/doc/cupsys-bsd is a little sparse. cupsys-bsd is just a compatibility frontend to allow use of CUPS via lpr, lprm, and friends. Check out the man page for lpr for starters. > It would seem that I might need to reinstall lpd. no... Then > cupsys-client and cupsys-bsd get listed for removal and I really don't > want that. Correct. lpd is a full print spooling package. cupsys-bsd is just a facade so that old apps can use the lp commands. > So I thought maybe there was something in the /etc/printcap file that > might be of some significance. Interesting. On my client system, my /etc/printcap is a symlink to /var/run/cups/printcap. You might try backing up your file and creating that link. > I had a remote printer defined from > way back (years) and it was pointed to an IP address that was no > longer in use. So I don't think there is much there. > > my line printer doesn't work. > I don't think Open Office does either, but right now I can't even get > it to load... Start by verifying that CUPS works, then deal with the lpr commands later. If your client is picking up IPP broadcasts from the server, you should see the server's printers in the *client's* CUPS web page. If that much works, it's pretty easy to go from there. -- Todd Pytel Signature attached PGP Key ID 77B1C00C pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: cloning Debian hard drive
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 01:27 AM, Victory wrote: 1, Is there way to clone this hard drive ? If you are cloning it to an identical hard drive, you can use dd, eg: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb 2, Is it possible to create bootable CD of the working system so that when I boot to new system from CD it will install exact the same with the working system I have now. systemimager can do this. I haven't ever used it to make a CD, but I have used it to network boot installs. You would need to install systemimager-server on another machine and systemimager-client on the one you are cloning. Run 'prepareclient' on the client, then 'getimage' on the server. Then run 'updateclient' on the destination machine. Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP 712/60 questions
Hi Larry, I have been using Debian Linux on two 712/100. I bought a cdrom that was compatible with these machines. Not all cdroms drives will allow the 712's to bot off of them. I think maybe the newer SCSI cdrom's will work. Anyway, I suggest subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED], they are more than willing to help with any Debian questions relatyed to the HPPA machines. It seems, from what I have been able to gather, the HPPA architecture has made it very difficult for the Linux community to make a suitable Linux kernel that will run on these machines. I am not sure if you could simply cross compile on another machine and load that into your 712 machines. The easiest way to go is buy the distro from one of the vendors on the debian.org website. I bought mine from Abexia and was very pleased with how well the installation went, although I had never installed Debian before so the learning curve was the installation. I use KDE as my window manager and it takes a while to load it on my machines, but once it is up and running it performs very well. The video uses only 8 bit depth, it will not owrk on any higher bit depth. But for me, that is more than enough to learn Debian. Hope this helps and I did not ramble too much...smile. James E. Merritt - Original Message - From: "Larry Crouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:00:01 -0400 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: HP 712/60 questions > Hello, > > First of all I'm unfamiliar with Unix/Linux/Debian > and such since I've been in the Windows world > for many years. > > I came across 3 HP 712/60 workstations and > figured this would be a good project to acquaint > myself with Linux. > > The learning curve has been very substantial > so please bear with me. > > The workstations have no floppy or CD drive. > The only way to load PALO (I think that's the > boot loader for Linux) is via a lifimage stored > on a remote boot server. > > The HPs boot HPUX and then an application. > I've seen the BOOT_ADMIN and ISL > screens enough to turn auto boot off and > verify that everything seems to be as discussed > in various Debian web pages. > > I guess I have to load Linux onto one of > my PCs (I have a couple of Pentiums not > being used at the moment), load the Linux > sources, run the cross-compiler with certain > options to create a lifimage and then enable > a DHCP daemon so the HP box can boot > from it. > > Is this the path or am I completely offbase. > > Any help is appreciated. > > -- > Larry Crouch > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- __ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote:
>
> Yes, but how does that compare with similarly powerful features in
Perl?
> I *knew* someone would ask about the Programmable Extraction and
> Reporting Language...
>
> Please don't think that I am implying that Perl or C are bad
languages.
> I certainly wouldn't write a logfile analyzer in COBOL.
>
> For my knowledge, how would Perl sort the contents of a file,
> allowing the programmer to use a complex algorithm as an
> input filter, and then take the output stream, processing it
> 1 record at a time, without needing to write to and then read
> from temporary files with all of the extra SLOC that that entails?
>
> One thing that I don't think that any of the "modern" languages
> do, without extra libraries and function calls, is BCD arithmatic.
>
> Here's a simplistic example of how COBOL is specialized:
> Say we have 2 record definitions:
> 01 A-SMALL-REC.
> 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 01 A-LARGE-REC.
> 05 HONORIFIC PIC X(5).
> 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 05 MIDDLE-I PIC X.
> 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> 05 MODIFIER PIC X(5).
>
> MOVE 'JOHN' TO A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME.
> MOVE 'DOE' TO A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME.
> MOVE SPACES TO A-LARGE-REC.
>
> MOVE CORRESPONDING A-SMALL-REC TO A-LARGE-REC.
>
> Here, A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME and A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME will be
> moved to the corresponding fields in A-LARGE-REC.
> In such a trivial example, so what? If, however, there are many
> fields in A-SMALL-REC, then MOVE CORRESPONDING is a big coding
> time-saver, and ensures that if the records definitions ever
> change, the code will still work.
>
>
You may or may not be correct in your assessment, but I do not believe
the above example particularly supports that view
If the "MOVE CORRESPONDING..." is recurring, you would write a
subroutine. If not, it's a one-time task, facilitated by a good editor
use Class::Struct
struct SmallRec => {
first-name=> '$',
last-name => '$',
}
struct LargeRec => {
honorific => '$',
first-name=> '$',
middle-i => '$',
last-name => '$',
modifier => '$',
}
$ASR = SmallRec->new();
$ASR->first-name('John');
$ASR->last-name('Doe');
$ALR = LargeRec->new();
$ALR->first-name($ASR->first-name);
$ALR->last-name($ASR->last-name);
Seems like a one-to-one correspondence to me, never mind the compactness
and power of Perl
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spamassassin
Does spamassassin use relays.osirusoft.com? I have a lot of DNS traffic running with this query and I noticed that my mail log was full of messages to stop using relays.osirusoft.com. I turn off the use of relays.osirusoft.com which has greatly sped up my email and even cleaned up the network traffic a bit. But I still have a lot of these running around. I suspect it's spamassassin, but I'm not really sure how to even begin investigating without going through a lot of code. -- Long computations which yield zero are probably all for naught. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Some time after I left the COBOL job, I was employed writing C > > in an app that screamed for COBOL. I'd say that 1/5th of the > > SLOCs, and most of the bugs, were of the form: > > > > strncpy(really_long_variable, another_long_variable, > > sizeof(another_long_variable)); > > > > By commercial, I meant record-oriented "data processing" type > > software, not programs sold in stores and catalogs or by sales > > people. > > I find that Perl is a very nice language that avoids such low-level > problems. There's a whole family of such scripting languages that begin > with the letter P. Perl, Python, Php, Pike,... > > The advantage here is that the main (only?) implementation of each of > these languages is an excellent free software implimentation designed > for Linux/Unix and ported to every imaginable OS (from VMS to Windows to > Plan 9). > > Other advantages include the fact that these languages are general > purpose and can pretty much handle all kinds of problems. And also the > fact that they are easily extensible through C. This just isn't true. Perl at least is brought to its knees by a variety of problems that C has no trouble with whatsoever. I've had simple pixel-crawling image processing algorithms take a day to run in Perl, when I rewrote in C about 30 seconds. And that's with PDL (admittedly PDL call overhead was I think the major thing slowing perl down, but that's hardly reassuring). The scripting languages just aren't anywhere near as fast as the older, simpler, compiled ones. Its not that I don't still write first drafts of many codes in perl, its just that now I budget time to rewrite them in C if I need to (its still usually faster overall to prototype first in perl, even if you know you are doomed speed-wise). I don't know if perl and cobol have the same relationship, or if there are common business tasks that still need the speed, but it seems like a definite possibility. Britton > > I don't know much about Cobol, but if it's a simple language then I > think it might be worth it. But if it's a complex language with such a > limited scope then I think it's not so great. > > SQL is a good example of a simple very specific language. > Perl is a good example of a complex very general language. > > Very specific languages that are too complex are being killed off by > languages such as Perl. For example people going from awk to perl > (there's even an a2p script that'll do automatic conversion). > > Bijan > -- > Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.crasseux.com > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
start program in ssh command line?
hi folks, tweaking the relationship between my work and home computers... I keep my mail on my work computer, and would like to be able to make an alias on the HOME computer that will log me in to work and start mutt without my having to type the additional command. my initial thought was this: ssh -l matt work.host.name mutt but this seems to send mutt off into the ether. I guess there's no tty associated with the ssh process or something... anyway, is there a way to get the new process spawned by ssh to run in a login shell to which I have access? I can think of lots of ways in which such a feature would be useful... Thanks, matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamassassin
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:48:36PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote: | Does spamassassin use relays.osirusoft.com? Yes. | I have a lot of DNS traffic running with this query and I noticed | that my mail log was full of messages to stop using | relays.osirusoft.com. Yeah, I just heard that relays.osirusoft.com is presently really hosed, such that any host is reported as being dial-up. | I turn off the use of relays.osirusoft.com which has greatly sped up my | email and even cleaned up the network traffic a bit. | But I still have a lot of these running around. I suspect it's | spamassassin, but I'm not really sure how to even begin investigating | without going through a lot of code. You don't need to read the code, just the docs. There's a command line option to tell SA not to perform only local checks (not check any RBLs or razor or any other non-local query). I don't know the option off-hand, so 'man spamassassin' or 'man spamc' to find out. HTH, -D -- A man of many companions may come to ruin, but there is a friend that sticks closer than a brother. Proverbs 18:24 http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: spamassassin
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:48:36 -0400 Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does spamassassin use relays.osirusoft.com? Yes. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: some reality about iptables, please
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 21:12, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: > I can find all the sites and advice I want about how to form iptables > rules, but I can't find any decent discussion of how to enable the damn > things. > > I get the idea that an iptables firewall is set up by actually running a > bunch of "iptables -options" lines, presumably from a script. > > But where do I put the script(s)? > > There's a mechanism set up in /etc/default/iptables. I quote from the > file: > > # A: I was pretty much hounded into providing it. I do not like it. > #Don't use it. Use /etc/network/interfaces, use /etc/network/*.d/ > #scripts use /etc/ppp/ip-*.d/ script. Create your own custom > #init.d script -- no need to even name it iptables. Use ferm, > #ipmasq, ipmenu, guarddog, firestarter, or one of the many other > #firewall configuration tools available. Do not use the init.d > #script. > ... > # Q: How do I get started? > # A: (Did I mention "do not use it" already? Oh well.) > > For crissake! Can anyone point me at some sensible discussion of how > the hell to go about putting firewall rules in place? I've got a > laptop, usually on a cable modem, but sometimes using dial-up. > > I know generally about the /etc/init.d/rcX.d runlevel mechanism. Now I > need a sensible discussion of when and HOW to run what sorts of > iptables-rules-containing scripts so I can figure out how to protect my > system. Please don't just tell me about "runlevels" - I know they exist > already. > > The Debian Security manual is useless. It only give examples of a few > iptables rules, says that's not enough, and speaks not at all (that I've > found yet) about how to implement the damn things. > > Someone somewhere speaks to issue of the actual plumbing to implement > iptables. Can anyone point me? you can read /etc/init.d/iptables comments for info. here is the short version: #clear out rules iptables -F #run script to load iptables rules into memory sh iptables.sh # make required directory? mkdir /var/lib/iptables #save active rule set /etc/init.d/iptables save active #flush rules -- inactive rule set iptables -F #save inactive rules set /etc/init.d/iptables save inactive # enjoy rules on next reboot or /etc/init.d/iptables start -Kev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 21:42, David Turetsky wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > Here's a simplistic example of how COBOL is specialized:
> > Say we have 2 record definitions:
> > 01 A-SMALL-REC.
> > 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 01 A-LARGE-REC.
> > 05 HONORIFIC PIC X(5).
> > 05 FIRST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 05 MIDDLE-I PIC X.
> > 05 LAST-NAME PIC X(15).
> > 05 MODIFIER PIC X(5).
> >
> > MOVE 'JOHN' TO A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME.
> > MOVE 'DOE' TO A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME.
> > MOVE SPACES TO A-LARGE-REC.
> >
> > MOVE CORRESPONDING A-SMALL-REC TO A-LARGE-REC.
> >
> > Here, A-SMALL-REC.FIRST-NAME and A-SMALL-REC.LAST-NAME will be
> > moved to the corresponding fields in A-LARGE-REC.
> > In such a trivial example, so what? If, however, there are many
> > fields in A-SMALL-REC, then MOVE CORRESPONDING is a big coding
> > time-saver, and ensures that if the records definitions ever
> > change, the code will still work.
> >
> >
>
> You may or may not be correct in your assessment, but I do not believe
> the above example particularly supports that view
>
> If the "MOVE CORRESPONDING..." is recurring, you would write a
> subroutine. If not, it's a one-time task, facilitated by a good editor
>
> use Class::Struct
>
> struct SmallRec => {
>first-name=> '$',
>last-name => '$',
> }
>
> struct LargeRec => {
>honorific => '$',
>first-name=> '$',
>middle-i => '$',
>last-name => '$',
>modifier => '$',
> }
>
> $ASR = SmallRec->new();
> $ASR->first-name('John');
> $ASR->last-name('Doe');
>
> $ALR = LargeRec->new();
> $ALR->first-name($ASR->first-name);
> $ALR->last-name($ASR->last-name);
And if you add new fields, you must add more assignment statements.
A small thing, sure, but in a big program, the small things add
up.
> Seems like a one-to-one correspondence to me, never mind the compactness
> and power of Perl
I'd still rather the MOVE CORRESPONDING, because it means that
one more bit of busy work is off my plate.
A corollary command is, if I remember properly, the FILL verb.
If your record in full of a mixture of text, packed decimal and
binary fields, you simply say "FILL THE-RECORD.", and the compiler
decides whether to move spaces or zeros to each field, as appro-
priate.
Again, yes, the same effect *can* be done in Perl, C, Python,
Pascal, etc, but again, it's just one less thing that I have to
worry about, using COBOL.
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Re: OT: virus (was: ssh tunneling)
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Re: start program in ssh command line?
On 2003-08-26T23:26:37-0400, Matt Price wrote: > my initial thought was this: > > ssh -l matt work.host.name mutt If you are running X, try add '-X' to the above to see if that does the trick. Otherwise, I guess you can run something like 'TERM=vt100 mutt' as the command instead. /Allan -- Allan Wind P.O. Box 2022 Woburn, MA 01888-0022 USA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get -t unstable install gnome fails with unmet dependencies
Nicos Gollan wrote: On Tuesday 26 August 2003 23:08, Adam wrote: This is a fresh install of debian. I have edited my preferences and sources.list to be just like those on another system that worked in January. I just tried it on the other system and it fails there too. The apt-get -t unstable install gnome fails saying that there are dependencies that will not be installed. Is this broken? How can I get it to work? apt will not automatically install packages from unstable if they aren't explicitly listed. Try installing the proper packages from unstable, this should fix it. Umm, sure it will, that is the whole point of the '-t unstable' flag. 'apt-get -t unstable install gnome' works on my gnome1.4 testing box[at least it lists packages to install/upgrade...]. OP: usually apt will tell you what exactly are the unmet dependencies, just try to install them directly along with gnome or reporting the exact error message. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get -t unstable install gnome fails with unmet dependencies
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 23:08, Adam wrote: > This is a fresh install of debian. I have edited my preferences and > sources.list to be just like those on another system that worked in > January. I just tried it on the other system and it fails there too. > The apt-get -t unstable install gnome fails saying that there are > dependencies that will not be installed. Is this broken? How can I > get it to work? apt will not automatically install packages from unstable if they aren't explicitly listed. Try installing the proper packages from unstable, this should fix it. I thought the -t unstable was supposed to tell it to install dependencies from unstable. There are a large number of dependencies, some of which (like gnome-core) have a large number of dependencies of their own. There must be a better way than installing each package by hand, I thought that was the whole point of having apt. The fact that it doesn't work on the system it worked on before makes me suspect the gnome package is simply broken. Adam __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spamassassin
On approximately Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:48:36PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote: > Does spamassassin use relays.osirusoft.com? > > I have a lot of DNS traffic running with this query and I noticed that my > mail log was full of messages to stop using relays.osirusoft.com. > > I turn off the use of relays.osirusoft.com which has greatly sped up my > email and even cleaned up the network traffic a bit. > But I still have a lot of these running around. I suspect it's > spamassassin, but I'm not really sure how to even begin investigating > without going through a lot of code. I found the option "-L, --local Use local tests only" in the manpages for spamassassin and spamd. -- Josh McKinney| Webmaster: http://joshandangie.org -- | They that can give up essential liberty Linux, the choice -o) | to obtain a little temporary safety deserve of the GNU generation/\ | neither liberty or safety. _\_v | -Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your application
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Re: start program in ssh command line?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:26:37PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > my initial thought was this: > > ssh -l matt work.host.name mutt > > but this seems to send mutt off into the ether. I guess there's no > tty associated with the ssh process or something... Right, no pseudo-TTY unless you ask for one. That's what the '-t' option is for, refer to the ssh man page for more details. -- Michael Heironimus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some reality about iptables, please
Thank you for this. My apologies to all for broadcasting my frustration. It's not the best way to handle things. Bret On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 23:14, Kevin Mark wrote: > > Someone somewhere speaks to issue of the actual plumbing to implement > > iptables. Can anyone point me? > > you can read /etc/init.d/iptables comments for info. > here is the short version: > #clear out rules > iptables -F > #run script to load iptables rules into memory > sh iptables.sh > # make required directory? > mkdir /var/lib/iptables > #save active rule set > /etc/init.d/iptables save active > #flush rules -- inactive rule set > iptables -F > #save inactive rules set > /etc/init.d/iptables save inactive > # enjoy rules on next reboot or /etc/init.d/iptables start -- bwaldow at alum dot mit dot edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nfs/ssh woes
Hey folks, about 2 months ago I sent out a call for help on this list which, like most such calls I've made, was duly answered by a coule of folks, especially James S. Then my baby son was born, and we went away for a while, and when I came back home I rebooted all my machines, ended up losing a bunch of personal mail, and my carefully setup system no longer worked... Goal: to set up an ssh-encrypted nfs which shares a directory on my work computer (call it nfs.server) and either or both of two computers at home (nfs.client). Method: as described in James Strandboge's excellent article, "Encrypted NFS with OpenSSH and Linux" http://linuxtoday.com/security/2002021301020SCSV . 1. set up /etc/exports: add this line: /home/matt/Personal 128.100.34.9(rw,insecure,root_squash) test it on the server: mount -t nfs 128.100.34.9:/home/matt /mnt/nfs --> works fine. 2. set up iptables. Add a file nfsforward.rul in /etc/ipmasq/rules: # cat nfsforward.rul # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s mprice.dyndns.org --dport ssh -j ACCEPT # /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --sport ssh -d mprice.dyndns.org -j ACCEPT # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s mprice.dyndns.org --dport 111 -j ACCEPT # /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --sport 111 -d mprice.dyndns.org -j ACCEPT # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s $MATTSIP --dport ssh -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s $MATTSIP --dport ssh -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp -d $MATTSIP --sport ssh -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -s $MATTSIP --dport 111 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --sport 111 -d $MATTSIP -j ACCEPT ... where $MATTSIP is passed to ipmasq whenever it's run (I have dns -- and if I replace $MATTSIP with an ip address, the situation doesn't change) 3. set up an ssh tunnel: firct check server's ports: rpcinfo -p 128.100.34.9: program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 1000241 udp914 status 1000241 tcp917 status 151 udp810 mountd 152 udp810 mountd 151 tcp813 mountd 152 tcp813 mountd 132 udp 2049 nfs 132 tcp 2049 nfs ssh -f -c blowfish -L2818:128.100.34.9:2049 -L 3045:128.100.34.9:813 -l matt 128.100.34.9 /bin/sleep 86400 tried it with the -v switch enabled, didn't get any error messages, I assume thetunnel is really being set up. 4. try to mount the directory on nfs.client: # mount -t nfs -o tcp,port=2818,mountport=3045 128.100.34.9:/home/matt/Personal /mnt/nfs mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused If I try to ssh and mountfrom nfs.server, I have the same problem, though as I mentioned earlier a straight up nfs mount on nfs.server works fine: mount -t nfs 128.100.34.9:/home/matt/Personal /mnt/nfs if I briefly disable iptables: nfs.server# /etc/init.d/iptables stop (I know, this is STUPID) and try to mount the directory from nfs.client, I get a slightly different error : nfs.client# mount -t nfs 128.100.34.9:/home.matt/Personal /mnt/nfs mount: 128.100.34.9:/home/matt failed, reason given by server: Permission denied I checked in hosts.allow and found both these listings (somewhat overbroad, but hopefully not too terrible for the moment): ALL: 128.100.34.9 localhost ALL: 67.68.52.40 so I don't think the problem is there. Question: where to look now? I feel like the problem's in the tunnel -- or at least, there is some kind of problem with the tunnel -- but I can't diagnose it myself. who can help?? thanks as ALWAYS, matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: start program in ssh command line?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 10:54:00PM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:26:37PM -0400, Matt Price wrote: > Right, no pseudo-TTY unless you ask for one. That's what the '-t' option > is for, refer to the ssh man page for more details. I'm an idiot! sorry, thought I'd looked over the man page pretty thoroughly, but I missed the -t switch. mea culpa mea culpa mea culpa! matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message << [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Volunteers needed! >> http://debtoo.org > Arnt Karlsen<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > .."* This website sucks." Toss it in http://validator.w3.org/ ;-) Thats a great site Arnt I especially like how it tells you what line is wrong. I added it too my quick links, I will keep it handy for emailing web masters. I just have one question for all you folks who like to compile every single package, what are the benefits? It seems like this site and review had Debian on top, Debian was only compiled with I386. Please excuse the long url: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1 Also Isn't Gentoo starting to introduce binaries of packages to ease installation? I wonder how the package manager keeps up with the added stress of keeping track of source as well as binary applications? What happens if you have the same package from source and binary? It makes me think that they are adding more complexity to the system, I wonder how that effects stability? Seems like people like the idea of compiling their own packages more than the benefit it will create. I would like to see more reviews of source distro's vs binary distro's. I would also like to see a comparison between major packages, such as KDE, Gnome 2, XFree86, compiled from source vs binary. I also know that it might be pointless because someone could compile with all the speed flags while the binary they choose might be compiled for stability, and a wider user base. Such as was in the test mentioned above. I also would like to know how source distro's handle security updates? Do you have to recompile your application with the new security patches? Seems Admins wouldn't like this idea, especially if linux becomes more mainstream, more kiddie scripters take up attacking linux systems. Wasn't it mentioned that it would be almost impossible to have a complete source release of Debian? Seems like it would be a lot of work, might as well just stick to Gentoo since they have the source release pretty much covered. If someone can show a nice chart showing the speed increase compared to stability of Gentoo vs Debian, I would be more than happy to put Gentoo on a box. But I won't hold my breath! Rthoreau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some reality about iptables, please
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 23:14, Kevin Mark wrote: > you can read /etc/init.d/iptables comments for info. Hmmm. On reading, I notice a function named "initd_clear" called by an argument of "clear". Running this leaves the system open - all targets are "ACCEPT". The README in /etc/init.d points at the Debian Policy manual, and this mentions several standard arguments for init.d scripts - "clear" isn't one of them. How would I find out what (if anything) calls with this argument? If some automated process is going to call this, it will leave my system with an open firewall, and I need to know to plan around it. Cheers, Bret -- bwaldow at alum dot mit dot edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
virus' on the list
Hello all, Being relatively new to the whole mailing-list scene I have a question about the linux mailing-list scene actually (actually part of a mailing list in my windows days). While browsing my inbox, which I only do every several days, I notice messages from places such as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (this was recently, I received (or it was sent?) it: 03.08.28). I am wondering what this is. Did someone send a virus/worm/whatever to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] a security company protecting us happy debian users from such a horrible thing? Is this a common thing (have seen before, but can't remember where/when)? Did "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mistakingly judge a "normal/safe" message as a threat to our security, and in the end, choose to inform us about the potential threat? I am not afraid of receiving a virus through this list (I could be blind to the danger I don't know about). I never open an attachment from anyone. I am under the impression this is a good thing. (Hint: maybe you could tell me otherwise :)) This isn't an important question, so don't rack your brains. I am simply curious of what it all means. Anything on the matter would be helpful, and greately appreciated. afterthought: while on the windows mailing-list, I never received anything closely related to a "virus warning", which is why I ask the question now, instead of my pre-Linux days. thank you for your time, amg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh tunneling
Quoting P. Kallakuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Joyce, Matthew wrote: > >>i am not able to connect to a vnc-server thats running behind the > >>firewall. i know that the vncserver is running because i can open > >>vncviewers from other clients behind the firewall. but when i > >>ssh to the > >>gateway from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the -L > >>5903:vncserver:5903 option and forward from the gateway to > >>the vncserver > >>using another ssh -L ..., i am not able to connect to the > >>vncserver at > >>port 5903 on localhost. with a RealVNC viewer, i get an error like > >>"channel 2 or 4: administratively prohibited" and with > > > > I get a similar response with the svncviewer. The error message on the SSH connection is: channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused The svncviewer error is: /usr/bin/svncviewer.real: read failed This works if I use the Class C address of the VNC server in the SSH port forwarding. It fails if I use the Internet (public) address of the firewall. The firewall forwards port 22 to the VNC server. Jeffrey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 04:35 am, Alex Malinovich wrote: > I've, unfortunately, been forced into taking a COBOL class as > a requirement for getting my BS. (And that's just what it is, > a load of BS...) What's worse is that I can't seem to find > any Free COBOL tools. 'apt-cache search cobol' returns 3 > hits, all of which are documentation utilities. Any > suggestions? Or am I going to be stuck using school PC's > loaded with Windows and more proprietary software than you > can shake a warez-kiddie at? You didn't say what your major is, so I am assuming it is CS. It is worth studying many languages, including those that do not seem to apply to your present interests. You are not expected to like them all. COBOL should be studied for several reasons. First, it uses a syntax that is more conversational than other languages. Also, it is has been and still is of significant historical interest. By learning it, and learning its style, you learn programming techniques that you would probably not be exposed to otherwise. Too many CS programs today put too much emphasis on a single style of program development, usually "object oriented". You can't really know what that is, or what its benefits are, until you contrast it against the others. Windows, too, has its place. Too many CS schools use MS-Windows exclusively. In my mind, this destroys their credibility. As much as I like GNU, Linux, free software,.. I must admit that an environment that is 100% GNU, Linux, free also is of limited credibility. You see only one side. A truly good program will use a mix of systems. A few years ago I taught a senior CS course "comparitive programming languages". There were assignments in FORTRAN, AWK, Prolog, and Lisp. We also spent some time on FORTH, and a little (too little) on COBOL. If I ever do that course again, there will be assignments in COBOL and FORTH. The only reason there wasn't is that I couldn't find appropriate free software in time. I do know where to find them now. In this course, it wasn't enough to just get a program working in each of these languages. I required them to be in the style of the language. Although you can make believe they are all C, I didn't accept that. I even enforced a "no assignment statement" rule in Lisp. FORTRAN here meant FORTRAN-IV, that is the 1966 version, that didn't have block if, so they had to use goto's. So, stop griping about COBOL. Do your best. Learn why it is the way it is, and how it influenced the more modern languages. Learn the style, so when someone gives you a COBOL-style program in C++, you will understand it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some reality about iptables, please
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 09:12:15PM -0400, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: > I can find all the sites and advice I want about how to form iptables > rules, but I can't find any decent discussion of how to enable the damn > things. For network interfaces, I usually stick it as a pre-up item in the /etc/network/interfaces file: iface eth1 inet static address xxx netmask xxx network xxx broadcast xxx gateway xxx pre-up /etc/firewall/iptables.eth1 start post-down /etc/firewall/iptables.eth1 start For PPP connections, stick a script in the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d directory. -- Dave Carrigan Seattle, WA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.rudedog.org/ | ICQ:161669680 UNIX-Apache-Perl-Linux-Firewalls-LDAP-C-C++-DNS-PalmOS-PostgreSQL-MySQL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
this is my take: joe user has a windows computer he reads our list he has the lists email address in his address book he get the virus it reads his address book it sends the virus to everyone in his address book which includes email that fakes the 'from' address (from the list) the recipent of the mail has a virus checker it detects the virus and sends a 'youve got virus!' mail to the email list -K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some reality about iptables, please
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 00:19, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 23:14, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > you can read /etc/init.d/iptables comments for info. > > Hmmm. On reading, I notice a function named "initd_clear" called by an > argument of "clear". Running this leaves the system open - all targets > are "ACCEPT". > > The README in /etc/init.d points at the Debian Policy manual, and this > mentions several standard arguments for init.d scripts - "clear" isn't > one of them. > > How would I find out what (if anything) calls with this argument? If > some automated process is going to call this, it will leave my system > with an open firewall, and I need to know to plan around it. the script can not be accessed by anyone. it can only be called inside the script which can only be run by a root user. So it doesnt see to be security concern (but I'm not a security expert -- will the local guru commment) -k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:20:55AM -0400, amg wrote: > Hello all, > > Being relatively new to the whole mailing-list scene I have a question > about the linux mailing-list scene actually (actually part of a mailing > list in my windows days). > > While browsing my inbox, which I only do every several days, I notice > messages from places such as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (this was recently, I > received (or it was sent?) it: 03.08.28). > > I am wondering what this is. Did someone send a virus/worm/whatever to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] a security company > protecting us happy debian users from such a horrible thing? Is this a > common thing (have seen before, but can't remember where/when)? Did > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mistakingly judge a "normal/safe" message as a threat > to our security, and in the end, choose to inform us about the potential > threat? > > I am not afraid of receiving a virus through this list (I could be > blind to the danger I don't know about). I never open an attachment from > anyone. I am under the impression this is a good thing. (Hint: maybe you > could tell me otherwise :)) > > This isn't an important question, so don't rack your brains. I am simply > curious of what it all means. > > Anything on the matter would be helpful, and greately appreciated. > > afterthought: while on the windows mailing-list, I never received > anything closely related to a "virus warning", which is why I ask the > question now, instead of my pre-Linux days. > As we use Debian, I don't think there is the need for any company to protect us. As far as I know, linux is immune to any virus, and that's the main reason why I don't want to install windows on my machine. -- Zeng Nan Simple is Beautiful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
* amg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030827 13:23]: > While browsing my inbox, which I only do every several days, I notice > messages from places such as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (this was recently, I > received (or it was sent?) it: 03.08.28). > > I am wondering what this is. Did someone send a virus/worm/whatever to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] A virus/worm/whatever was sent to someone at winram.com. The email "From:" header was faked to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] The virus was found and a stupid automatic reply was sent to the address shown in the "From:" header. Hence the noise on this list. Nick. -- Debian testing/unstable Linux twofish 2.6.0-test3-looxt93c2 i686 GNU/Linux pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 06:18:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hi my name is brian i have a pc very old it take win95 i format the > made drive to us the disk can you help me your you no a good wibb to > get on Wait, what? You might want to rephrase that. Here's some pointers. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/TDlHUzgNqloQMwcRAguuAKCXguEMTZA/Y67VZE00I6AttnGkJQCfSyO7 mGEgb+p+fUl8MwaQradyHdU= =dIa/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NT Installation - Seperate Drive Question
Hello all, this is the unimportant back story: I love games, I own an XBOX (save your boo's for later please, I enjoy it :)), and I used to play games on my PC (winNT style) I had heard about Wine, WineX, and other "emulators" (maybe not the best word, if you can suggest a better one, please inform me) that can and do run certain native WIN programs/games on Linux. I have also heard that there are some problems with these WIN applications. I have witnessed them myself, I cannot get my games to work. I know that this is my fault, and nobody elses. So, instead of trying to "make" them work, or even install in some circumstances; I have chosen to turn an old, dusty hard-drive I have lying around back into an XP system (maybe win2k, I have all their major releases). this is the meat of the question: Can I essentially: -"detach" my debian-installed drives -attach a "blank" drive (it would be the last IDE slot) -install XP onto that disk (letting XP muck around with the MBR (on it's own drive)) -re-attach the debian drives (leaving the XP drive attached, at the end of the drive order) -add some information to LILO (to point to the newly installed XP system) -choose what I want to do at boot-time: play games - or - everything else? Is this all possible? Or did I make something up, that is either way too complex, or simply not pratical? I'm aware that I could of left winNT on my computer, and THEN installed Linux, but I did not have the foresight to do this (stupid me:)). I am also aware that it is possible to install winNT after installing Linux/GNU, but I have heard (from the dual-boot howto at tldp.org, and other un-rememberable places (is that even a word?)) that it is complex. I am NOT asking for steps on how to accomplish this, I wouldn't do such a thing to you guys/gals; what I am asking is if it is possible, and if it is way too complex for a newbie like me to do. thank you all for your time, amg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
horde
Does anyone know where I can find a howto for horde and its packages for debian? thanks ~gerard signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Prevent X Windows Starting up
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:46:02AM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: > (And since nobody else has suggested it, it might be possible to get > into the machine remotely, too, maybe with ssh. A serial console is > useful for this sort of problem too, but requires some advance setup, > and the world contains comparatively few dumb terminals these days. :-) A palm-pilot with a serial cradle and a terminal program can be used as an emergency console. dt -- Dave Thayer | If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about Denver, Colorado USA | cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all [EMAIL PROTECTED] | the time, for no good reason. - Jack Handey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A mainstream publication tells it like it is (largely)
Regarding Windows vs. Mac OS/X and GNU/Linux security. Here's a fellow in the Washington Post saying it clearly: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34978-2003Aug23.html Cheers, Bret Waldow -- bwaldow at alum dot mit dot edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acme package - experiences
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:40:39 +0200, Olivier Robert wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 10:20:35AM -0500, Praveen Kallakuri wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:46:58 +0200, Olivier Robert wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm wondering if someone's got some experience with the acme package. >> > The packege description is: >> > >> > acme - Enables the "multimedia buttons" found on laptopsacme - Enables >> > the "multimedia buttons" found on laptops >> > >> > I have a Compaq 1800-18XL484 with those funny multimedia buttons which >> > xev does not see ;) >> > >> > Any feedback about this package would be much appreciated. >> >> works great for me. i use a compaq presario 1720US. the volume buttons always >> work. but i haven't yet figured out when the rest of the buttons work. >> sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. > > Can you see your multimedia button with xev? This is important for me to > know. sorry i dint check this one earlier. i haven't used xev much, but it does show show a keymap notify event when i press my multimedia keys. something like below: FocusOut event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0x1e1, mode NotifyGrab, detail NotifyAncestor FocusIn event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0x1e1, mode NotifyUngrab, detail NotifyAncestor KeymapNotify event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0x0, keys: 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 FocusOut event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0x1e1, mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyNonlinear PropertyNotify event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0x1e1, atom 0x10b (_NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY), time 1454047, state PropertyNewValue -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some reality about iptables, please
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 00:39, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 00:19, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 23:14, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > > > you can read /etc/init.d/iptables comments for info. > > > > Hmmm. On reading, I notice a function named "initd_clear" called by an > > argument of "clear". Running this leaves the system open - all targets > > are "ACCEPT". > > > > The README in /etc/init.d points at the Debian Policy manual, and this > > mentions several standard arguments for init.d scripts - "clear" isn't > > one of them. > > > > How would I find out what (if anything) calls with this argument? If > > some automated process is going to call this, it will leave my system > > with an open firewall, and I need to know to plan around it. > > the script can not be accessed by anyone. it can only be called inside > the script which can only be run by a root user. So it doesnt see to be > security concern (but I'm not a security expert -- will the local guru > commment) I'll be interested to hear it too. In theory, there must be some reason it was put in the script in the first place... Cheers, Bret, who wishes he could just get on with drinking tea and exploring Space-Time Physics -- bwaldow at alum dot mit dot edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with sis900 after upgrading to 2.4.20
> I upgraded my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.20. The system used to boot up > cleanly with 2.2.20. However after upgarding, it does not configure the > NIC card. I have sis900 on my system. The dmesg and ifconfig outputs are > reproduced here: Please help. I am almost losing my nerve! > * > dmesg > > Linux version 2.4.20 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian > prerelease)) #1 Sun Aug 24 00:37:24 EDT 2003 > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0010 - 0fff (usable) > BIOS-e820: 0fff - 0fff8000 (ACPI data) > BIOS-e820: 0fff8000 - 1000 (ACPI NVS) > BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee01000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: ffee - fff0 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: fffc - 0001 (reserved) > 255MB LOWMEM available. > On node 0 totalpages: 65520 > zone(0): 4096 pages. > zone(1): 61424 pages. > zone(2): 0 pages. > Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=1601 > Initializing CPU#0 > Detected 995.776 MHz processor. > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > Calibrating delay loop... 1985.74 BogoMIPS > Memory: 256688k/262080k available (1322k kernel code, 5004k reserved, > 538k data, 100k init, 0k highmem) > Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) > Inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) > Mount-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) > Buffer-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) > Page-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) > CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line) > CPU: L2 Cache: 256K (64 bytes/line) > Intel machine check architecture supported. > Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. > CPU: After generic, caps: 0383f9ff c1cbf9ff > CPU: Common caps: 0383f9ff c1cbf9ff > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor stepping 02 > Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. > Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. > Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. > POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdb01, last bus=1 > PCI: Using configuration type 1 > PCI: Probing PCI hardware > PCI: Using IRQ router SIS [1039/0008] at 00:02.0 > isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... > isapnp: No Plug & Play device found > Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 > Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 > Initializing RT netlink socket > Starting kswapd > Journalled Block Device driver loaded > Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED]). > parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)] > pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured > Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ > SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled > ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A > ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A > Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with > idebus=xx > SIS5513: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 15 > SIS5513: detected chipset, but driver not compiled in! > SIS5513: chipset revision 208 > SIS5513: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA > ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA > hda: LITE-ON LTR-32123S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > hdb: TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > hdc: WDC WD200EB-00CSF0, ATA DISK drive > hdd: Maxtor 90432D3, ATA DISK drive > ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 > hdc: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=38792/16/63 > hdd: 8440992 sectors (4322 MB) w/256KiB Cache, CHS=8374/16/63 > Partition check: > hdc: [PTBL] [2434/255/63] hdc1 hdc2 hdc3 < hdc5 hdc6 hdc7 hdc4 > hdd: [PTBL] [525/255/63] hdd1 < hdd5 > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M > FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 > Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann > agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 203M > agpgart: Detected SiS 735 chipset > agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd000 > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices > Vendor: LITE-ON Model: LTR-32123SRev: XS0R > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: CD-ROM XM-6202B Rev: 1108 > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 > sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > Linux Kernel Card
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 09:18, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:36, Mark Roach wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:52, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 03:35, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > > I've, unfortunately, been forced into taking a COBOL class as a > > > > requirement for getting my BS. (And that's just what it is, a load of > > > > BS...) What's worse is that I can't seem to find any Free COBOL tools. > > [snip] > > > Too bad you have such a negative view of COBOL. In the hands of > > > someone with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. > > > > That's a bit harsh, Ron. He said he was forced into taking the class, > > not that COBOL sucked. And even if he had, no need to get your hackles > > up. > > I believe his quote was "And that's just what it is, a load of BS." > He's a student, and, by definition, has a limited perspective, and > probably, but not definitely, thinks he knows everything. That's > _not_a_criticism_, just a statement of life. After all, how many > young people think they know more than their parents until they hit > 30? The "BS" part of it was intended towards the fact that I'm forced to take the course, not towards COBOL in general. I graduate in May of next year, and the course is being discontinued altogether in May of next year. Yet I still have to take it. Needless to say, I was, and am, rather frustrated by it all. I respect the fact that COBOL has a place in the world. That it's still being used and updated after nearly 50 years is a testament to the language itself. From what little I know of it, I'm already amazed at just how well-suited it is to file-handling. Records are an absolutely remarkable, if somewhat outdated due to databases, way of dealing with data. And I've heard that ISO has recently ratified a standard for OO COBOL. My first programming language was Pascal at age 13, and that seems to be all but dead nowadays. Yet COBOL is still alive and kicking. Or at least writing pages and pages and pages and pages and pages and pages of code about kicking. Lets hope it doesn't try walking or we could be here forever. :) (Though I do respect that it's an incredibly readable language, it is so incredibly wordy!) And your belief that most young people think they know everything is rather accurate. I used to believe that myself and I still have friends who do. (Thankfully, most people seem to grow out of it by about age 20 or so :) Though, as has been said by many people over many generations, the more I learn the more I realize how little I know. p.s. For the record, I'm 23. Though I've been cursed with looking more like 32. (That was a blessing until I turned 21. Since then it's been a curse... how quickly things can change. :) -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: virus' on the list
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:20:55 -0400, amg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello all, > > Being relatively new to the whole mailing-list scene I have a question > about the linux mailing-list scene actually (actually part of a > mailing list in my windows days). > > While browsing my inbox, which I only do every several days, I notice > messages from places such as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (this was recently, I > received (or it was sent?) it: 03.08.28). > > I am wondering what this is. Did someone send a virus/worm/whatever to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] a security company > protecting us happy debian users from such a horrible thing? Is this a > common thing (have seen before, but can't remember where/when)? Did > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mistakingly judge a "normal/safe" message as a > threat to our security, and in the end, choose to inform us about the > potential threat? > > I am not afraid of receiving a virus through this list (I could be > blind to the danger I don't know about). I never open an attachment > from anyone. I am under the impression this is a good thing. (Hint: > maybe you could tell me otherwise :)) > > This isn't an important question, so don't rack your brains. I am > simply curious of what it all means. > > Anything on the matter would be helpful, and greately appreciated. > > afterthought: while on the windows mailing-list, I never received > anything closely related to a "virus warning", which is why I ask the > question now, instead of my pre-Linux days. ..something on the matter: ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ jwhois winram.com [Querying whois.internic.net] [Redirected to whois.dotster.com] [Querying whois.dotster.com] [whois.dotster.com] The data contained in the WHOIS database, while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is", with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you in obtaining information about domain name registration records. Any use of this data for any other purpose, including, but not limited to, allowing or making possible dissemination or collection of this data in part or in its entirety for any purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and solicitations, is expressly forbidden without the prior written permission of this company. By submitting an inquiry, you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. Please limit your queries to 10 per minute and one connection. Registrant: Ken Hopkins vancouver vancouver, bc v6h1r5 CA Registrar: DOTSTER Domain Name: WINRAM.COM Created on: 15-JUN-97 Expires on: 14-JUN-04 Last Updated on: 10-APR-03 Administrative, Technical Contact: Hopkins, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] vancouver vancouver, bc v6h1r5 CA 6048017007 Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CLGRAB.GROUPTELECOM.NET NS2.TOROON.GROUPTELECOM.NET NS1.CYBEK.COM End of Whois Information [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig winram.com ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> winram.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58250 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;winram.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: winram.com. 86400 IN A 209.17.173.149 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: winram.com. 86400 IN NS ns.cg.sfl.net. winram.com. 86400 IN NS ns.mt.sfl.net. winram.com. 86400 IN NS ns1.clgrab.grouptelecom.net. winram.com. 86400 IN NS ns2.toroon.grouptelecom.net. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns1.clgrab.grouptelecom.net. 172798 IN A 139.142.2.3 ns2.toroon.grouptelecom.net. 172798 IN A 209.135.99.3 ;; Query time: 2383 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Wed Aug 27 07:28:49 2003 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 186 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig -x 209.17.173.149 ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> -x 209.17.173.149 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33899 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;149.173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 149.173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR h209-17-173.gtconnect.net. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns.cg.sfl.net. 173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns.mt.sfl.net. ;; Query time: 254 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Wed Aug 27 07:30:19 2003 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 128 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ..draw your own conclusions. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 22:57, Al Davis wrote: > On Tuesday 26 August 2003 04:35 am, Alex Malinovich wrote: --snip-- > You didn't say what your major is, so I am assuming it is CS. CIS actually. Not nearly as much theory as CS and a very solid grounding in business and management. About the most 'advanced' CS stuff covered in the program is big O complexity and constructing various data structures from scratch. (linked lists and the such) > It is worth studying many languages, including those that do not > seem to apply to your present interests. You are not expected > to like them all. Yes, but it's very easy to lose sight of that when the only thing standing between you and your degree are two COBOL classes. :) > COBOL should be studied for several reasons. First, it uses a > syntax that is more conversational than other languages. Also, > it is has been and still is of significant historical interest. > By learning it, and learning its style, you learn programming > techniques that you would probably not be exposed to otherwise. I have been absolutely amazed by how easy COBOL is to read. However, that also comes at the price of being incredibly wordy. Our first "Hello World" program is a little over two pages. > Windows, too, has its place. Too many CS schools use MS-Windows > exclusively. In my mind, this destroys their credibility. As > much as I like GNU, Linux, free software,.. I must admit that > an environment that is 100% GNU, Linux, free also is of limited > credibility. You see only one side. A truly good program will > use a mix of systems. I definitely agree with this. My school, unfortunately, is very Windows-centric. Linux is briefly mentioned in an operating systems course along with BSD, Unix, MacOS, DOS, and a whole bunch of others. All within the span of about 3 paragraphs. I have in 5 years met only one professor who has ever used Linux. There are only a few who have ever even heard of it. Though, to their credit, they are all serious, business-minded professionals. They might not be hackers in any sense, but they can do great things in business. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: NT Installation - Seperate Drive Question
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:54 PM, amg wrote: Can I essentially: -"detach" my debian-installed drives -attach a "blank" drive (it would be the last IDE slot) -install XP onto that disk (letting XP muck around with the MBR (on it's own drive)) -re-attach the debian drives (leaving the XP drive attached, at the end of the drive order) That should all be fine, as long as XP doesn't get upset about the changed order of the disks. -add some information to LILO (to point to the newly installed XP system) See the bottom of the default /etc/lilo.conf, it has an example of booting another OS. Basically you want something like: other=/dev/hdb1 label="Win XP" Everything else in there should be fine as-is. Then run lilo. Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: virus' on the list
> As we use Debian, I don't think there is the need for any > company to protect us. As far as I know, linux is immune to > any virus, and that's > the main reason why I don't want to install windows on my machine. > -- > Zeng Nan > If this is your main reason, why not use windows with antivirus software installed. I use Debian because I like it. I'm sure the virus writers would look to linux if it was as pervasive as windows, also, I do not think linux is imune, surely a poorly configured system would have vunrabilities ? m -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Why is C so popular?
The recent COBOL discussion has gotten me to thinking. Some languages seem to be very popular in some situations. C is easily the dominant language for most things Linux. So therein lies the question. Why, exactly, is C so popular? Especially in comparison to C++. I can't think of a single reason to use C instead of C++ for most of the coding that I would do. I generally only write user applications. I don't get anywhere near the kernel which is where I'd imagine most of the reason for using C comes in. Yet I see people writing 'modern' GUI applications and using C when I would think C++ would be a much better choice. Is there something that I'm missing? Something that C actually does better than C++ in regards to higher-level functions? (Note that I tend to gravitate towards higher level languages by nature. I use Perl religiously, and I love Java. If not for some of the speed limitations and, more importantly, the fact that it's non-free, I would say that Java is the perfect language. Hmm... is that gasoline I smell? :) -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: COBOL compiler
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:57:27PM -0400, Al Davis wrote: > Learn the style, so when someone gives you a COBOL-style > program in C++, you will understand it. Do not underestimate the value of this. You can take a COBOL programmer and teach him C/C++/Java (or whatever popular language), and he'll pick up the syntax just fine. And as soon as you tell him to write something he'll write code that looks EXACTLY like COBOL in C/C++/Java syntax. It will be unreadable, unmaintainable, and hopelessly inefficient, but nobody will ever have time for the rewrite it desperately needs. -- Michael Heironimus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:11:08 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Note that I tend to gravitate towards higher level languages by nature. > I use Perl religiously, and I love Java. If not for some of the speed > limitations and, more importantly, the fact that it's non-free, I would > say that Java is the perfect language. Hmm... is that gasoline I smell? > :) Fool, everyone knows Python is the one true language. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: horde
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:02:16 -0400 gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a howto for horde and its packages > for debian? thanks I've only used Horde and IMP on BSD, not Debian, but I found the official Horde docs (on the website and in /usr/share/doc I'd guess) to be quite sufficient. Basically, just edit the files in ..horde/config, ..horde/imp/config, etc. The files have very detailed comments, so you shouldn't have too much need to look things up. -- Todd Pytel Signature attached PGP Key ID 77B1C00C pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: other debian installer tactic?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please turn your line wraps down to 72 columns On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:02:23AM +0200, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > Wonderful goal! But what you're asking for is a different distribution, > > which has been done already: Corel, Libranet, Knoppix, Xandros, etc. > > What bothers me about these distros is that even if they are debian > based you can not upgrade transparently your system to follow debian > repositories, in a way they try to trap you, cause they make money > from it. Knoppix doesn't. Granted, the only transparent way of transitioning is to sid, but still. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/TFEdUzgNqloQMwcRAnMRAKCwAwcNydhSF+KLloi9lkzL8jAMggCdFSPh cvn3jpnr6bC0JEmtB33RloY= =4S3r -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jabber and transports
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've tried installing the AIM transport from agrogeomatic.educagri.fr (from their listing on apt-get.org). Following aim-transport's instructions, I added it into the jabber.xml the way it tells you to, and I can see it when I query my jabber server, but the aim transport does not work. Has anybody here successfully added transports to jabber? If so, what worked for you? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/TFK/UzgNqloQMwcRAiuAAJ9IqCCF6oxk5aejPwQFvlHpo8KBFwCePcmH V1S/UW2S8Cf0QISMLSVM+Rs= =Dgb6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux - CDR
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:05:44PM -0400, Li-Ren Zhou wrote: > I'm somewhat new to linux in general. I was just wondering what was a > good tool for burning/ripping cd's (audio and bin/cue). I use abcde for CD ripping. k3b for burning. You might want to tell whoever you're getting your CD images from that bin/cue is only correct for videoCDs, data CDs should be an ISO9660 image. To create an iso, throw a CD in your drive and do su followed by dd if=/dev/hdc of=/where/you/want/your/image Replace /dev/hdc with the correct device for your cdrom if it's not hdc. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/TFQpUzgNqloQMwcRAhdjAJ9joM2MXJk+cW+i+ouq7g/E7NW9BACfcLS/ rFO0jdsA0YdLRhlS9r/paWQ= =VHgw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:20:55AM -0400, amg wrote: > Hello all, > > Being relatively new to the whole mailing-list scene I have a question > about the linux mailing-list scene actually (actually part of a mailing > list in my windows days). Welcome ;-) > While browsing my inbox, which I only do every several days, I notice > messages from places such as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (this was recently, I > received (or it was sent?) it: 03.08.28). > > I am wondering what this is. Did someone send a virus/worm/whatever to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] a security company > protecting us happy debian users from such a horrible thing? Is this a > common thing (have seen before, but can't remember where/when)? Did > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mistakingly judge a "normal/safe" message as a threat > to our security, and in the end, choose to inform us about the potential > threat? We do not have a security company protecting us. As a few people have pointed out already, this is probably a case of a virus being sent with a faked From header, and over-zealous anti-virus software. I have added a lot of anti-virus messages to the blacklist, and I'm still adding more, as more messages make it through. While there have been a number of messages getting through, in the month of August, 1304 messages didn't make it through, as they were judged to be either a virus, or an anti-virus message. By contrast, July only had 2 such messages. > afterthought: while on the windows mailing-list, I never received > anything closely related to a "virus warning", which is why I ask the > question now, instead of my pre-Linux days. Having a virus which sends out a message with a fake From header, is a relatively recent thing. Pasc (with his listmaster hat on) -- Pascal Hakim 0411-283-060 "Do not bend." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
> ..something on the matter: ;-) > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ jwhois winram.com > [Querying whois.internic.net] > [Redirected to whois.dotster.com] > [Querying whois.dotster.com] > [whois.dotster.com] > > The data contained in the WHOIS database, while > believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is", > with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This > information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you > in obtaining information about domain name registration records. > Any use of this data for any other purpose, including, but not > limited to, allowing or making possible dissemination or > collection of this data in part or in its entirety for any > purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and > solicitations, is expressly forbidden without the prior written > permission of this company. By submitting an inquiry, you agree > to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. > Please limit your queries to 10 per minute and one connection. > > Registrant: >Ken Hopkins >vancouver >vancouver, bc v6h1r5 >CA > >Registrar: DOTSTER >Domain Name: WINRAM.COM > Created on: 15-JUN-97 > Expires on: 14-JUN-04 > Last Updated on: 10-APR-03 > >Administrative, Technical Contact: > Hopkins, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] > vancouver > vancouver, bc v6h1r5 > CA > 6048017007 > > >Domain servers in listed order: > NS1.CLGRAB.GROUPTELECOM.NET > NS2.TOROON.GROUPTELECOM.NET > NS1.CYBEK.COM > > End of Whois Information > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig winram.com > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> winram.com > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58250 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 2 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;winram.com.IN A > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > winram.com. 86400 IN A 209.17.173.149 > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > winram.com. 86400 IN NS ns.cg.sfl.net. > winram.com. 86400 IN NS ns.mt.sfl.net. > winram.com. 86400 IN NS > ns1.clgrab.grouptelecom.net. > winram.com. 86400 IN NS > ns2.toroon.grouptelecom.net. > > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > ns1.clgrab.grouptelecom.net. 172798 IN A 139.142.2.3 > ns2.toroon.grouptelecom.net. 172798 IN A 209.135.99.3 > > ;; Query time: 2383 msec > ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) > ;; WHEN: Wed Aug 27 07:28:49 2003 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 186 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dig -x 209.17.173.149 > > ; <<>> DiG 9.2.1 <<>> -x 209.17.173.149 > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33899 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;149.173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR > > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > 149.173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR > h209-17-173.gtconnect.net. > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > 173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns.cg.sfl.net. > 173.17.209.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS ns.mt.sfl.net. > > ;; Query time: 254 msec > ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) > ;; WHEN: Wed Aug 27 07:30:19 2003 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 128 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > ..draw your own conclusions. ;-) > I didn't want to set out "winram" as a trouble-maker, and I apologize to him/her if it seems that way, I only used it as a referance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:39:33PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip quote) > > As we use Debian, I don't think there is the need for any company to > protect us. As far as I know, linux is immune to any virus, and that's > the main reason why I don't want to install windows on my machine. WRONG !!! Linux is not immune to any virus !!! The only things we can say is : on a Linux system under *appropriate* utilisation by *users and administrator(s)*, a virus can't propagate through users. But, if the virus is not a virus, but a worm, nobody's fully protected ! Linux, as other software (hmmm, less than winblow), is not 100% secure, some exploits stay in the kernel, and must be detected and patched by a developer before any cracker. Second thing : Un*x users are generally more knowledge on computers (so, in security also). I don't have accessible good links about this topic, but Google is your friend ;o). Sorry for my (very) bad english. I hope you understand the genereal idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Why is C so popular?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Alex Malinovich wrote: > The recent COBOL discussion has gotten me to thinking. Some languages > seem to be very popular in some situations. C is easily the dominant > language for most things Linux. So therein lies the question. Why, > exactly, is C so popular? Especially in comparison to C++. I can't think > of a single reason to use C instead of C++ for most of the coding that I > would do. I generally only write user applications. I don't get anywhere > near the kernel which is where I'd imagine most of the reason for using > C comes in. Yet I see people writing 'modern' GUI applications and using > C when I would think C++ would be a much better choice. Is there > something that I'm missing? Something that C actually does better than > C++ in regards to higher-level functions? I can think of a few reasons myself: 1) Compatibility 2) Speed 3) Portability 1) Libraries are a good thing to be written in C unless they are specifically releated to a programming language that is not C like the standard C++ libraries. It is very easy to write a wrapper for a library written in C for use in other languages like Perl, Python, C++, Java, Ruby. But much harder to write a wrapper for a C++ library to use in other languages like C, etc. The Arts client libraries are a good example of that situation. The libraries are written in C++ with a special library that acts as a C wrapper. The problem is the wrapper library is severly limited compared to the C++ libraries, my guess is the programmers got a little lazy when it came time to write the wrapper and it has caused me some trouble trying to use the libraries. Also, any C library can be used in C++ without a wrapper, but a wrapper is required for the other direction. And have you ever tried to open a C++ library using dlopen()? It requires at least one C function to start with since all the C++ functions names are mangles. It's doable, but a little bit of a pain. Lastly, C has more libraries for a user programs then any other language except C++ of course. 2) C is just faster than C++ and much faster then almost any other choice as far as code speed. Even when I'm writing in C++ I will use fopen() and fprint() for file I/O then the C++ equilelants because they are noticably faster. C++ with never make it into the kernel for this reason along with others. 3) C is more portable then C++. I can take almost any C code and use it with almost any C or C++ compiler or even other variations like Objective C or Dynamic C with very few problems. Most exceptions are maybe use of newer features of C like ## or enum or directives like #pragma. In some enviorments C is the only way to go, other languages like Cobol, C++, or Perl are just too high level. Once case is the TI-89, it's to limited to run C++ effectively. I've never seen anyone even attempt to write a C++ compiler for it. Other embedded systems like Microchip's PIC microcontrollers are just barely leaving asm for C now, it will be a while before they will support C++. Rabbit Semiconductor sells a Z80 based microchips and they created a language called Dynamic C which is basicly C with special support for state machines. It won't do C++ either. If people don't learn C before C++, it A) a little harder to learn properly, and B) it's harder for them to learn other languages later like C, Objective C, and Dynamic C with are all C dirivatives. I think this is at least a little sample of why C is better sometimes than C++. > > (Note that I tend to gravitate towards higher level languages by nature. > I use Perl religiously, and I love Java. If not for some of the speed > limitations and, more importantly, the fact that it's non-free, I would > say that Java is the perfect language. Hmm... is that gasoline I smell? > :) > > - -- I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen. Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the darkside. Powerful Unix is. Public Key: ftp://ftp.tallye.com/pub/lorenl_pubkey.asc Fingerprint: B3B9 D669 69C9 09EC 1BCD 835A FAF3 7A46 E4A3 280C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/TFXH+vN6RuSjKAwRAqtwAJ9BgmxVuO7UZvwdMofzsYTq4guIkACcD9jI c+DW3CWqzTO24OjznYWYeyM= =2ghl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help me please with TAR
Piotrek wrote: Hello, I am quite a new user of Debian, so my question would sound a little bit stupid, but I've got a problem with TAR. I am using a testing version of Debian. I have upgraded TAR to 1.13.25-5 version and as I try to unpack tar.bz2 files with " tar xjf ... " I get such a message: tar (child): bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting no tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous error Please help me, Thanks, Piotrek Piotrek, I thought it was a fine question. I ran into this just today, trying to unzip a tbz archive, and it made me scratch my head for a minute. First I thought something was wrong with tar (not reading the error closely enough and thinking about it.) Then I scratched my head and pondered longer trying to figure out how I had gone without having bzip2 installed for more than a day, since it is recomended by tar and required by so many other packages. Too bad the error message doesn't have this line inserted after the first line: tar (child): Is bzip2 installed and in your PATH ()? What do you think, would a message like that have pointed you in the right direction as soon as you read it? Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: COBOL compiler
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:15:13 -0500, Michael Heironimus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:57:27PM -0400, Al Davis wrote: > > Learn the style, so when someone gives you a COBOL-style > > program in C++, you will understand it. > > Do not underestimate the value of this. You can take a COBOL > programmer and teach him C/C++/Java (or whatever popular language), > and he'll pick up the syntax just fine. And as soon as you tell him to > write something he'll write code that looks EXACTLY like COBOL in > C/C++/Java syntax. It will be unreadable, unmaintainable, and > hopelessly inefficient, but nobody will ever have time for the rewrite > it desperately needs. ..so, on hiring, I should drop the COBOL guys? ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
> Welcome ;-) Thank you. > We do not have a security company protecting us. As a few people have > pointed out already, this is probably a case of a virus being sent > with a faked From header, and over-zealous anti-virus software. The question about the security company was a "what-if", I didn't think you would, but it seemed safe to ask, or at least bring up. > I have added a lot of anti-virus messages to the blacklist, and I'm > still adding more, as more messages make it through. While there have > been a number of messages getting through, in the month of August, > 1304 messages didn't make it through, as they were judged to be either > a virus, or an anti-virus message. By contrast, July only had 2 such > messages. I'm happy to see this level of involvement in a commuity so large. And I am also happy to see that fixes, patches, "blacklisting", and the like are so quickly utilized. > Having a virus which sends out a message with a fake From header, is a > relatively recent thing. I wasn't trying to say "windows doesnt have it, why do you guys", I also don't think you took it that way, but, to be safe. It was merely a referance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: virus' on the list
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:31:39 +0900, Nick Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * amg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030827 13:23]: > > > > While browsing my inbox, which I only do every several days, I > > notice messages from places such as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" (this was > > recently, I received (or it was sent?) it: 03.08.28). > > > > I am wondering what this is. Did someone send a virus/worm/whatever > > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > A virus/worm/whatever was sent to someone at winram.com. The email > "From:" header was faked to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] The virus > was found and a stupid automatic reply was sent to the address shown > in the "From:" header. Hence the noise on this list. > > Nick. > ..this character is hilarious; check jwhois and dig winram.com, then dig -x his ip, and then browse http://winram.com . ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ALERTA - Se generó el número de alerta OA2956_1061967436_MYMASCORREO_1 de GroupShield
Acción realizada: El adjunto se puso en cuarentena desde el mensaje y fue reemplazado por un archivo de texto que informa al destinatario sobre la medida tomada. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Enviado: -628904448,29584487 Asunto: Re: Approved Detalles de adjunto:- Adjunto: your_document.pif Archivo: your_document.pif ¿Infectado? Sí ¿Reparado? No ¿Bloqueado? No ¿Eliminado? No Nombre del virus: W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED] <>
