Re: redirecting output to /dev/null on cron not working!
louie miranda said: > I have a script that is on a cron basis, It runs every hour. > I have read a document that if you dont want any output. > You can add >/dev/null 1>&2 to redirect it to /dev/null > But i still received email about those output, is this syntax > im trying to add on my cron for debian correct? > > /scripts/cron_inactivityalert.sh >/dev/null 1>&2 I would do /scripts/cron_inactivity.sh 1>/dev/null 2>&1 or /scripts/cron_inactivity.sh 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null not sure if yours is wrong, but if it's not working, it probably is, never done it that way myself nor have I seen it done that way in documents. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: "S1G" (was Re: invalid date from date -d 1969-12-31)
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:36:36PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:59:47PM -0500, Stan Heckman wrote:
> > On my system, date -d returns "invalid date" for dates before 1970. It
> > is possible that this began when I upgraded libc6. Any suggestions?
>
> 1970-01-01 is time zero for *nixen. You're asking about what happened
> before the big bang! Guess "date" is not as generally useful for
> reformatting dates as it could be. However, its primary function is to
> set/print the current date/time which is always more recent than 1970.
speaking of which, we missed a great opportunity to scare the
wits out of the entire population a while back. remember y2k?
that was just when a decimal digit was gonna flip from "1" to
"2".
big fat hairy deal.
how about ADDING a whole new digit? that's a whole new ball of
wax, and much more significant in the grand scheme of things.
no, not y-10-k, that's a looong way off.
time zero is 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC, right? well, guess when we
passed time 999_999_999?
$ perl -e 'print scalar gmtime 1_000_000_000;'
Sun Sep 9 01:46:40 2001
Second-One-Gig was 9-september, a bit past midnight.
where's cnn when you need them? we coulda had panic in the
streets! cambells soup woulda been sold out! the networks coulda
had a ball!
never mind that the programming was intelligent from day one (as
opposed to those falsely-lazy 2-digit years). why avert a panic
when you can have RATINGS and pandelirium?
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DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #41 from Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:
Do you need to MASSAGE A BUNCH OF FILE NAMES? There's more
than one way to skin a cat -- here are some examples of
canonicalizing file names to lower-case:
mmv \* \#l1
rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/' *
zsh -c 'for x in *; do mv "$x" "${x:l}"; done'
(The "rename" command is a standard perl script, by the way.)
Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
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Re: How I partitioned my harddrive
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:32:55AM -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > I've found my current disk set up to be quite satisfactory until today > when I couldn't pick up mail. /var had run out of space. /var/share is > new as of tonight to deal with an otherwise quite usable disk > configuration. I believe I came up with these > numbers from a Red Hat book, although many people have included their disk > partition sizes on their web sites. I know only of the linux laptop site, > but many of the people who've contributed info have included disk > partition information: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > > Here's mine: > emmajane@debian:~$ df -h (-h = human readable sizes) > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda2 464M 28M 412M 7% / > /dev/hda3 4.6G 2.1G 2.4G 47% /home > /dev/hda5 2.3G 1.3G 901M 60% /usr > /dev/hda6 464M 108M 333M 25% /var > /dev/hda7 2.8G 46M 2.6G 2% /usr/local > /dev/hda9 46M 13M 31M 30% /tmp > /dev/hda102.3G 334M 1.9G 15% /var/cache > So today I filled up /var. "apt-get autoclean" sometimes helps there, too. > I used the following resources: > >http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/ch-disk-storage.html > (There are four or five pages there which you'll want to read. Just use > the next button until you get to the beginning of the next section.) > > Hopefully this was helpful for someone. :) sooner or later, it will be. with luck, we'll find (and keep) more folks like you. keep posting. sharing knowledge -- that's what it's all about! -- I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0; Linux server 2.4.20-k6 #1 Mon Jan 13 23:49:14 EST 2003 i586 unknown DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #68 from Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : So you've installed Debian/GNU Linux -- NOW WHAT? For some pointers, FAQ and unix/linux lists, visit Unix Guru's Universe site at http://www.ugu.com/sui/ugu/show?I=help.beginners There's a lot of handy links there to keep you off the streets for quite some time. (I found this page from a link on http://arizona.speedchoice.com/~lufthans/unix/ -- thanks, der.hans!) Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
will trillich said: > what's wrong with rsync? > > i'm heartily exploring backup methodologies and from what i can > tell, rsync sure looks like "the bomb". > > any drawbacks? some good reason to NOT use it? something better? rsync was the primary backup method at my last company, I use it on my home lan too. a bit over a year ago I wrote an semi extensive script for the backups at work, it worked out well, I'm no expert at scripting(not even that good!) but it worked wonderfully day in day out. http://portal.aphroland.org/resources/rsync/rsync-script.tar nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
moo
$ apt-get moo (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ "Have you mooed today?"... can't say that i have. this is almost as cute as some of those mac easter eggs. what's the story behind this? (shame it was one of the clean cows... ) -- I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0; Linux server 2.4.20-k6 #1 Mon Jan 13 23:49:14 EST 2003 i586 unknown DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #113 from Sebastiaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : To CHANGE FROM FIXED TO DYNAMIC IP ADDRESS is simple: just edit /etc/network/interfaces and if eth0 is the interface to change, use: iface eth0 inet dhcp That should work. See 'man interfaces' for more information. Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updating Critical Packages Only
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:25:24PM -0800, S Yuval wrote: > I recently bought the Debian 3.0r1 7-CD set and am trying to upgrade some obsolete >packages. However, it turns out that if I ask apt to update its package database, >most packages I have on the CD-set become obsolete and can no longer be installed >conveniently through dselect. Since I cannot afford to spend nights downloading new >packages for my entire system, and I purchased the CDs to avoid having to do that, is >there any way to tell apt-get to update only the critically important packages like >glibc, libstdc++, ncurses, etc. and not the entire system? have you tried aptitude? it is easier to manage and you can pick and choose what to install -- regards, sandip p deshmukh --*** A yawn is a silent shout. -- G.K. Chesterton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenOffice 1.0.1 CRASHES when exporting as html
This page is talking about exactly the same prob. I tried fixing locales but it didn't help... As I don't see another solution there, does it mean it's an open issue or something like that ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=178459 --- Emma Jane Hogbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:00:01AM -0800, Joris > Huizer wrote: > > What can I do to solve this? > > If you can stand IRC go hang out on the OO channel. > They were insanely > helpful. > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/openoffice.org.html > See README.Debian for information about using > OpenOffice.org in Debian, > known bugs and workarounds. More information about > the Debian packages is > available at http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice > or join us on IRC > #debian-oo. OpenOffice.org for Debian is available > for i386, powerpc and > s390. > > -- > Emma Jane Hogbin > [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /var still counts /var/cache
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 20:37, will trillich wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 05:00:58PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 10:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I'm _not_ suggesting you just do > > > > > > # umount /var/cache > > > # rm /var/cache > > > > Not quite - rm won't remove a directory, and you don't want to anyway. > > "rm /var/cache/*" might be more useful. > > or even "rm -r /var/cache/*" :) It was there in my mind, honest! :-) Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux"?
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 20:20, will trillich wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:00:18AM -0500, Shaun ONeil wrote: > > > # dd if=/dev/hda6 bs=1k count=50 | file - > > 50+0 records in > > 50+0 records out > > 51200 bytes transferred in 0.116208 seconds (440589 bytes/sec) > > standard input: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > > (mounted or unclean) > > > > There may be a good reason not to do this, but it's always worked for me > > there may indeed, but THAT'S A REALLY COOL TIP. cut it out. There's a switch for file, too: diamond:/home/richard# file -s /dev/hda2 /dev/hda2: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (mounted or unclean) That reads the file despite it being a special file. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partition is NOT CHECKED before mounting
--- Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Joris Huizer wrote: > > > Hello everybody, > > > > I've got this question: I recently added a > partition > > to the /etc/fstab file so it's mounted during boot > > time. I haven't done that before and I probably > made a > > mistake somewhere. > > > > The partition is NOT checked before mounting - and > I > > get warnings on that. This is the /dev/hdb3 > partition > > where /tmp lives. > > > > How can I make it being checked before mounting ? > > hit the reset switch ... :-) ( just kidding ) > > root# init 1 > root# umount /tmp > root# e2fsck /dev/hda3 > root# mount /tmp > root# init 3 > > umount each of your partitions to manually run > e2fsck on it > > if the system complans that the partition is in use, > > easiest for you to just properly reboot and go into > single user > on its boot up... and manually e2fsck it > and/or create the /forcefsck(?) flag before > rebooting > > c ya > alvin > Well the prob is, the error occurs each time (it seems the partition is simple missing in the list of partitions to check or something) This is the warning: Mounting local filesystems EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommented How will doing this solve the prob ?? It happens during each boot ! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 20:42, will trillich wrote: > apparently it does a remote diff somehow and then sends only the > parts that need changing? i can't imagine that it's possible to > compare two 1mb text files for differences without at least > sending one across the wires -- yet the manpage certainly has me > thinking that's what they claim it does. hmm? Briefly - sending checksums. Check out http://olstrans.sourceforge.net/release/OLS2000-rsync/OLS2000-rsync.html it describes the algorithm in a fair amount of detail, and is quite entertaining too - and has tips for alternative uses for rsync. I'm only half way through it so far ... Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partition is NOT CHECKED before mounting
Wow... that was easy in the end :-) Thanks for the pointer! By the way, what exactly does the 2 in that row mean (or the 1 for the root partition) ? --- Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 01:52:14PM -0800, Joris > Huizer wrote: > > I've got this question: I recently added a > partition > > to the /etc/fstab file so it's mounted during boot > > time. I haven't done that before and I probably > made a > > mistake somewhere. > > > > The partition is NOT checked before mounting - and > I > > get warnings on that. This is the /dev/hdb3 > partition > > where /tmp lives. > > > > How can I make it being checked before mounting ? > > Make sure the sixth (last) field of its line in > /etc/fstab is 2. > > -- > Seneca > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HOWTO HELP ? creating mp3s of a cd (just for personal use)
Hello everybody, I've got this question: Is there a program to read a cd & store songs or whatever as a MP3 format ? And if there's a program available, what are good settings to keep enough quality while the MP3s won't become too big (there's a prog I know on windows but it generates extremely big mp3's or there's little quality) Thanks in advance, Joris Huizer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
Quoting will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > what's wrong with rsync? > > i'm heartily exploring backup methodologies and from what i can > tell, rsync sure looks like "the bomb". > > any drawbacks? some good reason to NOT use it? something better? > > i'll be backing up the usual stuff (/etc /home ... and > /var/backups with pg_dump output in them...) > > apparently it does a remote diff somehow and then sends only the > parts that need changing? i can't imagine that it's possible to > compare two 1mb text files for differences without at least > sending one across the wires -- yet the manpage certainly has me > thinking that's what they claim it does. hmm? > Be sure and use it only behind a good firewall, in a trusted LAN. The whole r* (rsync, rsh, etc.) series is wildly insecure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: do i need stable in my sources.list?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:41:49AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > Kent West wrote: > >I was under the impression that you needed to keep your security sources > >pointing at stable, since that's the only place that emergency security > >patches get placed consistently. Am I incorrect? > > Since most security updates for stable are going to be a version lower > than the version currently in testing(since everything is backported), > you are never going to get them anyway so having it there isn't going to > help. Mostly. Unfortunately, a lot of people have that stable security line on their testing systems, which recently pulled in a new version of Perl. Of course, since sarge has been stalled for months, this new version (from stable!) is newer than the version everything else in sarge expects, making a bunch of things uninstallable; f'r instance, scrollkeeper. -rob msg26833/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HOWTO HELP ? creating mp3s of a cd (just for personal use)
> I've got this question: Is there a program to read a > cd & store songs or whatever as a MP3 format ? You just mean ripping CD's and storing the music on your hard disk, don't you? > And if there's a program available, what are good > settings to keep enough quality while the MP3s won't > become too big (there's a prog I know on windows but > it generates extremely big mp3's or there's little > quality) You might want to consider Ogg Vorbis, smaller filesizes compared with mp3's of equivalent quality, better quality on lower bitrates. And, not to forget, open source (as opposed to mp3...). Try the excellent teamwork of cdparanoia (the ripping-part) and oggenc (encoding the ripped songs to .ogg-files). To my opinion, a graphical front-end (such as grip) makes things easier (I most of the time don't feel like reading man-pages to learn a hundred switches by heart), but the named tools (cdparanoia, oggenc) are command line. Good luck, Tom -- "Was soll uns denn das ew'ge Schaffen! Geschaffenes zu nichts hinwegzuraffen!" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:39, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > > Be sure and use it only behind a good firewall, in a trusted LAN. The > whole r* (rsync, rsh, etc.) series is wildly insecure. Well, (according to the manpage) it uses rsh by default, but it can use ssh as an alternative. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP 8250i cd-writer
on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:38:03PM -0600, Michael Heironimus wrote about Re: HP 8250i cd-writer: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:08:23AM +0100, Frank Lenaerts wrote: > > Did somebody already get an HP 8250i cd-writer working on Woody? I've > > never had any problems with an HP 8100i or so, but the 8250i seems to > > be problematic, although it would be supported. > > > > As usual, I've setup SCSI emulation and cdrecord -scanbus detects both > > the cdrom and the cd-writer. However, when trying to write a cdrom, it > > seems that cdrecord cannot start a new session: > > > > > Track 01: audio 0 MB (00:00.42) no preemp pad padsize: 615 KB (00:03.57) > > I have an 8200, I think it won't write tracks this small. Try > leaving Tried this already, but it didn't solve anything. > out track 1. 0.42 seconds can't be all that important... Indeed, especially when it's abolute silence;-) > I don't remember what the minimum it will write is. I think that when I > was doing some reseach in to a similar problem I found that it's > probably a firmware bug, but people very rarely run in to it because > the The HP site however doesn't have a firmware upgrade for this type of writer. > limit is so small. What do you mean with "the limit"? > -- > Michael Heironimus > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." -- Henry Spencer msg26836/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux"?
Sorry, I'm new to debian so I don't know how old is slink :). I remember having reiserfs on potato. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 04:21, John Griffiths wrote: > >Type 83 is not nessaeseraly ext2. it could be one of many file systems > >suported by linux. try ext3, reiserfs (or even xfs and jfs). > > > > On slink??? -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No audio from cd-rom
Hi! I was going to rip some music to my hd (for private use of course...:) with grip but it didn't find anything. *No Disc* it says. When I tried to play the cd with a cdplayer it didn't work either. Otherwise the cd-rom works as it should. Can someone tell me why this happens? Thank's in advance, Helgi Örn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: "S1G" (was Re: invalid date from date -d 1969-12-31)
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:53:52AM -0600, will trillich wrote: > time zero is 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC, right? well, guess when we > passed time 999_999_999? > > $ perl -e 'print scalar gmtime 1_000_000_000;' > Sun Sep 9 01:46:40 2001 > > Second-One-Gig was 9-september, a bit past midnight. > > where's cnn when you need them? we coulda had panic in the > streets! cambells soup woulda been sold out! the networks coulda > had a ball! We just had a party, that's all. :) -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No audio from cd-rom
Hello, > I was going to rip some music to my hd (for private use of course...:) > with grip but it didn't find anything. *No Disc* it says. When I tried > to play the cd with a cdplayer it didn't work either. Otherwise the > cd-rom works as it should. Can someone tell me why this happens? You mean the CD didn't play well in a normal CD-player either? In that case, it seems quite obvious something's wrong with the CD, and not with your CD-ROM. Regards, Tom -- "Was soll uns denn das ew'ge Schaffen! Geschaffenes zu nichts hinwegzuraffen!" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: getting postfix + sasl to work
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > :-). Yes, I am the exim guru, but I'm also playing with postfix. I > wanted to better understand how it was designed and see how it's > configuration/configurability compared. I still have exim as the SMTP > server on my machine so that I can reject spam during the SMTP session > (using sa-exim), and currently postfix can't do that. However, I also > hvae the postfix package installed and postfix is /usr/sbin/sendmail > and performing local (and remove) delivery only through that > interface. (by "local" here I mean /var/mail/$USER, not using > maildrop or any other fancy MDA; exim is doing that) Well, personally, I favor exim so far. Mailman integration, delivery to /home/$USER/Maildir and now TLS and SMTP-Auth makes it pretty nice. Although I wonder about plans on exim4 in official Debian. Any news? Also, I am missing pam_exim in debian, as it allows to run exim as non-root and still use PAM for authentication. But exim also has a weird thing: I wanted to make my ssl key only readable to root.cert and having exim's user 'mail' in group cert. However that does not work. Strange, isn't it? The .key and the .crt file needs to be in group mail to let exim access it. Too bad :-/ Any ideas? HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Swap and ext3 (was: tune2fs ext2 -> ext3 do I do it to swap ???)
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 02:51, Steve Lamb wrote: > Well, technically you can after a fashion. You can make a swap file on > the current file system which could be ext3. In fact I've done just that > with swapd. Question is what effects do a journalling file system have on > swap files? According to what a prof. said, swapspace should be placed outside any filesystems since that filesystem would add to the already gigantic overhead the disk produces by adding a layer of indirection (look up the file, reposition the head, start reading swap). -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xcdroast, cdrecord and SafeDisk Copy protection
Hi! On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 08:49:45PM -0500, Nick Lidakis wrote: > Can anyone point me in the right direction? Have You tried cdrdao? Not sure if it helps, but it can copy some copy-protected CDs. (apt-get install cdrdao) Patrik msg26843/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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At 12:00 PM 28/01/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2003 : Issue 305 Today's Topics: Sort of OT: network logins[ Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Lag test. [ Mike Dresser Re: M$ Curse [ Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: about RUNLEVELs -- was "debian r [ Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: do i need stable in my sources.l [ Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: setting up mysql-server [ Matthew Daubenspeck Re: sit (compressed files)[ will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: do i need stable in my sources.l [ Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] exim - retry time not reached for an [ Jerome Acks Jr Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux&qu [ will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] redirecting output to /dev/null on c [ "louie miranda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Switching groups - not working[ Ian Melnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] ntp ha no installation candidate (wo [ will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: active programs overview [ Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Keyboard Lockup [ Harshu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might h [ Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: kernel-2.4.18 module mis-install [ "Jonathan Brandmeyer" Re: Backup Consensus? [ Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Speculation: Debian GNU/Watch [ Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Date: 27 Jan 2003 20:44:55 -0500 From: Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Sort of OT: network logins Message-Id: <1043718295.892.18.camel@gandalf> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The subject doesn't really explain what I am looking for, but I couldn't think of a better two-word summary. I know this is a bit off topic, but I was hoping the collective expertise would provide me with some ideas. I am looking for an approach to the problem of having multiple installations of debian on each computer on my lan that I use. While it is certainly reasonable to have a minimal install on each system, consisting of a basic debian system, it seems counterproductive to have to install each program that I use on each workstation, rather than having such software "served" by a central applications server. My present setup consists of a fileserver which exports various directories via nfs, including both a network-wide data store (called /share, for lack of a better idea), and /home. /home of course contains all my home directories (for myself and everyone else using our systems), and on each local workstation I have a full debian install with all software, and in the /home directory the actual files are symlinks to the appropriate nfs share. By way of example, the workstation mounts server:/home onto /nfs; my home directory on the workstation (/home/nl) is a symlink to /nfs/nl. This way, no matter which workstation I log into, I have my global /home/nl directory. Network-wide logins are handled by nis. Currently, I install all software onto each workstation. It would be far easier, however, to install it once onto an application server and have it available to each workstation. I've thought of two possible solutions: 1) Somehow get apt to install the software to /opt on the server, and nfs mount /opt to each workstation; 2) Install as usual to the server, and have each workstaiton mount /usr via nfs from the server; Since /etc would be local to each workstation, the same install could conceivably be used by each system with it operating differently because of different config files (X comes to mind here, since hardware may differ). Another issue is that I use KDE. On the plus side, if I edit my kde menus on one system to point to the appropriate places in /usr or /opt, then since menus are stored in my home directory, I'll have the right stuff whereever I log in. A problem, however, is that (as far as I can tell) KDE does not understand multiple simultaneous logins, and therefore I risk file corruption (or worse?) if I log in twice to my account at the same time. I had thought of solving this latter problem by implementing a login script to copy /home//.kde from the server to local storage, and then a logout script to sync it back onto the server at logout. Theoretically, I would need to do this for any porgrams that cannot sucessfully sync shared storage (like evolution), however - so this isn't really a good overall solution. I am also unsure how to make kde run a script at session start and end (or if there is even a way to make this happen under KDE). Any advice, pointers to references, etc, thoughts greatly appreciated. nl Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Dresser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Lag test. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The current time
Re: No audio from cd-rom
tis 2003-01-28 klockan 11.54 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hello, > > > I was going to rip some music to my hd (for private use of course...:) > > with grip but it didn't find anything. *No Disc* it says. When I tried > > to play the cd with a cdplayer it didn't work either. Otherwise the > > cd-rom works as it should. Can someone tell me why this happens? > > You mean the CD didn't play well in a normal CD-player either? In that > case, it seems quite obvious something's wrong with the CD, and not > with your CD-ROM. No, I,m talking about my computer, I tried to use the same drive but using other software cdplayer to just play from the same cd. There's nothing wrong with the cd itself. The problem is: my cd-rom drive does not play audio cd's in my stationary Debian box. Why is that? Cheers, HÖ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partition table incorrect/ fdisk messed up?
> I have remade a partition table before from a printout after losing it. The > data was still there. Something is nagging me about this remaking the partition table. I'm not positive, but I think it is important to reboot before writing to the partitions. So just to be safe, be sure that you reboot after you remake the table whether you do it by moving all the data first or by just leaving the data in place. I think there is a warning about that when you do the write with linux fdisk at the end of editing the table, but I'm not sure about that. Anita -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Communicator removed from Testing?
"Mark L. Kahnt" wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 23:58, Curt Howland wrote: > > Personal reply if possible, I cannot keep up with the traffic on user... > > > > Does anyone know why Netscape Communicator has been dropped from > > Testing? > > > > Does Mozilla email load the Communicator mail files ok? > > > > Chocolate or Vanilla? > > > > Curt- > > > > > > -- > > "Wherever I go, everyone is a little bit safer because I am there. > > Wherever I am, anyone in need has a friend. > > Whenever I return home, everyone is happy I am there." > >---The Warrior Creed, Robert L. Humphrey, USMC > > Debian Weekly News warned a while back that it would get the hook, as a) > it is non-free, b) it is buggy and not getting noticeably better as > Netscape is looking to retire it in favour of Netscape 7, and c) it > wasn't even being kept up with the latest releases of that codebase from > Netscape. Yes, and with all of that said, some of us still prefer to use it for various reasons. Mozilla is not a 100% replacement as of yet as it runs too slowly on older systems, and in addition, the Mozilla mail/news just isn't as good yet. I know there are other alternatives to look at, as well as other ways to install Communicator. My point is simply that removing the Communicator packages, as justified as it may seem to many, is still something of a disservice to a portion of the Debian community. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can not get UDMA-100 working...
On Monday 27 Jan 2003 9:55 pm, Dominique Deleris wrote: > Yeah, > > my problem is that it shows *udma2 (udma-33), with using_dma > on... hdparm -X69 /dev/hda (or whatever is your disk) This needs to be run every time you put so put a script in /etc/rcS.d Tom msg26849/pgp0.pgp Description: signature
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Re: Communicator removed from Testing?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 07:09:04AM -0500, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote: > > Debian Weekly News warned a while back that it would get the hook, as a) > > it is non-free, b) it is buggy and not getting noticeably better as > > Netscape is looking to retire it in favour of Netscape 7, and c) it > > wasn't even being kept up with the latest releases of that codebase from > > Netscape. > > Yes, and with all of that said, some of us still prefer to use it for > various reasons. Mozilla is not a 100% replacement as of yet as it runs > too slowly on older systems, and in addition, the Mozilla mail/news just > isn't as good yet. > > I know there are other alternatives to look at, as well as other ways to > install Communicator. My point is simply that removing the Communicator > packages, as justified as it may seem to many, is still something of a > disservice to a portion of the Debian community. Leaving it there with known security holes was worse ... If you want it back, there is really only one option: find a developer willing to maintain it properly. That's absolutely all it comes down to. It wasn't removed because it was politically incorrect, or because somebody had told us that Mozilla was a 100% replacement, or anything like that. It was removed because it had four open release-critical bugs, three of which were security holes, and all of which had been open for more than six months. = [Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:29:07 -0500] [ftpmaster: Anthony Towns] Removed the following packages from unstable: communicator | 1:4.77-2 | i386 navigator | 1:4.77-2 | i386 netscape | 1:4.77-2 | i386 netscape-base-4 | 1:4.77-2 | i386 netscape-base-4-libc5 | 1:4.77-2 | i386 netscape4.base | 1:4.77-2 | source --- Reason --- purged by RM; see bugs 145402 -- = = [Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 06:30:58 -0500] [ftpmaster: Anthony Towns] Removed the following packages from unstable: communicator-base-477 | 4.77-2 | i386 communicator-nethelp-477 | 4.77-2 | all communicator-smotif-477 | 4.77-2 | i386 communicator-spellchk-477 | 4.77-2 | all navigator-base-477 | 4.77-2 | i386 navigator-nethelp-477 | 4.77-2 | all navigator-smotif-477 | 4.77-2 | i386 netscape-base-477 | 4.77-2 | i386 netscape-ja-resource-477 | 4.77-2 | all netscape-java-477 | 4.77-2 | all netscape-ko-resource-477 | 4.77-2 | all netscape-smotif-477 | 4.77-2 | i386 netscape4.77 | 4.77-2 | source --- Reason --- purged by RM; see bugs 145398 145399 113615 -- = Cheers, -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partition is NOT CHECKED before mounting
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:23:27AM -0800, Joris Huizer wrote: > Wow... that was easy in the end :-) > > Thanks for the pointer! > > By the way, what exactly does the 2 in that row mean > (or the 1 for the root partition) ? Take a look at fstab(5). The sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) program to deter- mine the order in which filesystem checks are done at reboot time. The root filesystem should be specified with a fs_passno of 1, and other filesystems should have a fs_passno of 2. Filesystems within a drive will be checked sequentially, but filesystems on different drives will be checked at the same time to utilize parallelism available in the hardware. If the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not need to be checked. -- Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No audio from cd-rom
Hi, >> > I was going to rip some music to my hd (for private use of >> course...:) with grip but it didn't find anything. *No Disc* it >> says. When I tried to play the cd with a cdplayer it didn't work >> either. Otherwise the cd-rom works as it should. Can someone tell me >> why this happens? >> >> You mean the CD didn't play well in a normal CD-player either? In that >> case, it seems quite obvious something's wrong with the CD, and not >> with your CD-ROM. > > No, I,m talking about my computer, I tried to use the same drive but > using other software cdplayer to just play from the same cd. There's > nothing wrong with the cd itself. The problem is: my cd-rom drive does > not play audio cd's in my stationary Debian box. Why is that? You have to make a distinction between playing a CD in your CD-ROM and expecting to hear music, and ripping that very CD. If the disc is spinning, and you're player is, ehm, playing, but you don't hear the music, chances are you just don't have a cable connecting your CD-player to your soundcard. MS Windows doesn't need such a cable, but Linux does (although there must be workarounds available, I'd say). If grip doesn't sense your CD, you should check if you point it to the right direction. Is it a simulated SCSI-device? Go for /dev/scd0, /dev/sg0 or whatever SCSI should have. If not, /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc should do just fine. Anyway, I have the peculiar feeling I'm not helping you at all with the above gibberish. Still, it's all I know, so if things doesn't work out after checking all that stuff, I'm afraid I can't help you. BTW, do you manage to play other CD's correctly? Regards Tom -- "Was soll uns denn das ew'ge Schaffen! Geschaffenes zu nichts hinwegzuraffen!" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Troubles with pcmcia modules
I recently installed Woody on a new box on a Dell Latitude. It uses a standard D-Link pcmcia network card, and worked fine after installation. However, last night I upgraded to Testing, including an upgrade to kernel-image-2.4.20, and kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.20, and now I can't get my network up. Putting the network card in its slot doesn't give any response. Runing for example dpkg-reconfigure pcmcia-cs gives: /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/pcmcia/i82365.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_R27cb2cad /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: Operation not permitted An "lsmod" shows that pcmcia_core is loaded, but nothing works. Running "cardmgr" gives nothhing, the LEDs on the pcmcia-card never light up. Does anyone have some pointers where I should start checking for problems? TIA, Jesper -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using VIA C3 and Woody?
I want to build a very quiet and stable machine. Anyone using a VIA C3 based system with Woody? If so, what motherboard are you using? Any hardware issues? The machine will not be running X, rather it will probably be a home-use IMAP mail server (very low traffic). So on-board video and lan will be fine (although it may act as a firewall too, so I'll need two NICs). Thanks, -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian & Mandrake
Hallo Klaus, > Hat jemand Ratschläge oder Erfahrung mit der gleichzeitigen Benutzung 2er > Systeme ? Eine Lösung wäre vielleicht, unter Woody einen neuen Benutzer mit > eigenem /home-Verzeichnis zu schaffen. Dann stellt sich aber die Frage des > Zygriffs auf /home/klaus mit meinen Dateien. > Ich habe das mal gemacht, debian stable und unstable. Habe mir ein zweiten Benutzer angelegt. Dann habe ich, um meine Daten weiter bearbeiten zu können einfach einen Link darauf gesetzt. Also es gab /home/matthias und /home/maze, in matthias ein Verzeichnis work und in maze einen Link auf dieses Verzeichnis, ebenso Evolution, in beiden ein Verzeichnis Evolution nur inbox in maze war halt ein Link auf inbox-Matthias. Bei entsprechenden Lese und Schreibrechten sollte es so funktionieren. Grüße Matthias -- +-+ |Matthias Weinhold| |Stettiner Strasse 51 | |13357 Berlin | |mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |NEW!! http://www.matthiasweinhold.keepfree.de| |registred Linux User #290183 | +-+ Bitte senden Sie mir keine Word-Anhaenge. Siehe http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.de.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel source 2.5
Hello, The package kernel-patch-2.5-lsm Suggests kernel-source-2.5 but this package doesn't exist ! Is there a special sources.list entry to get some kernel-source-2.5.x ?? Thanks a lot François msg26857/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Thinkpad T30?
>From arief_mulya on Monday, 2003-01-27 at 16:43:11 +0700: > Dear all, > > > > I just got a T30 from the office. > Well, actually, I don't have it in hand yet, so I'm not sure > what's the exact specs. (the stuff comes tomorrow, but the > letter came to me today). > > Anyone has played with an IBM Thinkpad T30 before? > How's the story? > > I think it also has an internal modem, I don't know if it > was winmodem or not, but does anyone ever manage to setup > the modem? > I have some older IBM Thinkpads. They have had Debian, Red Hat, and Linux From Scratch installed on them, with no special problems. Even the winmodem was useable, with help from this site: http://linmodems.org/ The only thing I never got working was the sound card, but even that should be possible in principle with the commercial OSS drivers---it was not an issue for me. About a year and a half ago, I installed Mandrake on a newer Thinkpad, and even sound worked out of the box. Unless the thing is on the absolute cutting edge, I bet you your installation will be pretty smooth. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: invalid date from date -d 1969-12-31
nate writes: > not try to set your date to something thats not accurate? why would you > want to set your date in such a way anyways? He isn't trying to set a date. He is trying to _convert_ a date, one of the functions of 'date'. File a bug against 'date'. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Migrate from RedHat to Debian
Hi List, I've been using RedHat for a couple of years. Now, as a result of their change in EOL (only untill the end of year for the latest release RedHat 8.0) I want to switch to another distro. My preference goes to Debian. I do have some doubts before really switching. How long are Debian-releases supported (okay, with 'open' software you can compile/write your own upgrades but that's not an option)? I know they use an equivalent system to the rpm-system. How long are releases supported through these deb-packages. And before some-one states the obvious...yes I do install the kernel and the 'main' daemons from source (like Apache, Postfix, Squid, DJBDNS, Iptables,Snort) but I prefer to upgrade 'minor' things trough the concept of packages from the distro. What are the experiences other people have with migrating from RedHat to Debian. Are there any other options as a distro (I'm looking for a distro with security written in bold)? Greetings, Jim _ Chat with your online buddies with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.be -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubles with pcmcia modules
Le Mardi 28 Janvier 2003 13:28, Jesper Holmberg a écrit : > Runing for example dpkg-reconfigure pcmcia-cs gives: > > /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/pcmcia/i82365.o: unresolved symbol > isapnp_find_dev_R27cb2cad /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/pcmcia/ds.o: init_module: On my DELL INSPIRON 8100 when I try woody, I must use yenta.o because i82365.o doesn't work. I have to change /etc/pcmcia/config.opts : include port 0x100-0x4ff, 0x800-0x8ff, 0xc00-0xcff is replaced by include port 0x100-0x4ff, 0xc00-0xcff Jean-Luc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mount problems
Hi Folks, I am facing this problem with mounting vfat partitions. I have a directory named /cdrive and mount my vfat partions on it. As root user or as an odinary user the permissons of cdrive always get changed to 744. I have tried changing the permisions to 777 as root user but I am unable to do so. It just refuses. Due to this I am unable to access my files on the vfat partition as an odinary user. I have put a line /etc/fstab to allow mount on startup of the system and user (un)mountable. I would appreciate some suggestions. thank you regards Harshu = Never underestimate the predictibitly of stupidity! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
radvd error
hai i installed a system but it is noe stable and always gives me an error when installing software the error messages are -- 1st message 1 time dpkg: error processing radvd (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: radvd E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) installation script returned error exit status 100. Press to continue. -- another error dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) /etc/init.d/radvd: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing radvd (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: radvd installation script returned error exit status 100. Press to continue. dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) /etc/init.d/radvd: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing radvd (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: radvd installation script returned error exit status 100. Press to continue. -- 3rd time dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) /etc/init.d/radvd: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing radvd (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: radvd installation script returned error exit status 100. Press to continue. dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb (--unpack): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Success dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom//pool/main/u/user-mode-linux-doc/user-mode-linux-doc_20020320-2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) /etc/init.d/radvd: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing radvd (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: radvd installation script returned error exit status 100. Press to continue. please help R.Sree __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup Consensus?
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:47, will trillich wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:03:47PM +1100, bob parker wrote: > > FWIW I first of all dump my postgres databases into $HOME, then make a > > list of my installed (debian) packages, also in $HOME. > > > > I then backup $HOME excluding browser cache files, /etc and /usr/local. > > > > My idea is that after a disaster I'd make a minimum debian install, > > restore $HOME, /usr/local. After that I'd reinstall my packages from the > > list I gathered and then selectively restore /etc to get my configs back > > the way I had them. > > sounds like a reasonable plan. got a script or two you'd care to > share? :) Sure I do it's 1 script, invoked with different parameters from my crontab, and 1 script to do the burn. Sunday 06:15 full backup on a new cdr in muti-session mode. Mon-Fri 06:15 - incremental backup, continue multi-session. Sat 06:15 - incremental backup, finalise the cdr. The scripts are 19.2 k in total not zipped. Shouls I deliver to list or offlist? Regards Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup Consensus?
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:22, Pigeon wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:03:47PM +1100, bob parker wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:32, Grant Bowman wrote: > > > Is there a place where a general consensus has been reached on exactly > > > what is necesary to backup a Debian system? I'm sure this has been > > > asked and answered many times before, so I am looking for URLs to where > > > this has been discussed in the past. > > > > > > I apologize in advance, but I'm not a subscriber of this list. Please > > > cc me on replies. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > FWIW I first of all dump my postgres databases into $HOME, then make a > > list of my installed (debian) packages, also in $HOME. > > > > I then backup $HOME excluding browser cache files, /etc and /usr/local. > > > > My idea is that after a disaster I'd make a minimum debian install, > > restore $HOME, /usr/local. After that I'd reinstall my packages from the > > list I gathered and then selectively restore /etc to get my configs back > > the way I had them. > > > > I've never used this in anger and I'd welcome any suggestions from the > > wiser heads out there. > > Well, this is almost exactly what I did when I found I couldn't > straightforwardly upgrade from slink to woody, and needed to install > woody but keep all my settings from slink. Main difference is I didn't > save /usr/local, since it was full of stuff I'd need to recompile > anyway to work with the upgraded libc6. It worked... very well. See > thread "Can't upgrade from slink to woody" or similar. The only > problems I had were specific to the upgrade situation and wouldn't > arise when restoring the original version. > > Couple of suggestions: > - might be an idea to save /var as well > - if you're into kernel customising, make sure you have a rescue > kernel with built-in support for all your critical hardware (ie, not > as modules). I NEARLY got caught without a kernel that would recognise > my Initio 9100UW SCSI card, but managed to find one. (Phew!) > > Pigeon Thanks for the support. Re /var, I just did a du -h on it and mine comes out at 1.1 gig! Any thoughts on what is essential and what is not? Regards Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ext3 partition recovery
hi, last night I decided to format a partition to fat32 and I used window$ to do this (bad decision...). Aparently, all went ok but, today, when I rebooted the machine to linux, my home partition has been erased! (It was the last partion in the disk). My partition looks (used to...) like this: |-- 1. NTFS | |-- 2. ext2 | |-- 3. extended | | | |-- 3.1 ext3 [ / ] | | | |-- 3.2 swap | | | |-- 3.3 ext3 [/home] The partition I had formated to fat32 was the ext2 partition (#2). I tryed gpart but it could not solve the problem. Can anyone help me? -- Luís Henriques -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate from RedHat to Debian
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:44:10PM +, Jimbo De La Fuente wrote: > How long are Debian-releases supported (okay, with 'open' software you can > compile/write your own upgrades but that's not an option)? Typically until the next release plus six months or so. It depends entirely on how long the security team are willing to support it; nearly six months after the release of Debian 3.0, support for Debian 2.2 is still continuing and there's been no announcement of its cessation. This is largely due to the major upgrade of the security build system that held up the release of 3.0. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: moo
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:05:49AM -0600, will trillich wrote: | $ apt-get moo |(__) |(oo) | /--\/ | / ||| |* /\---/\ | ~~ ~~ | "Have you mooed today?"... | | can't say that i have. | | this is almost as cute as some of those mac easter eggs. what's | the story behind this? (shame it was one of the clean cows... ) Sorry, but read the archives. Look for a thread about aptitude and Super Cow Powers. It wasn't more than a week or two ago (maybe 3 ...). -D -- Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg26868/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Help debugging package problems
I'm running a mix of testing/unstable. $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release "testing"; APT::Cache-Limit 1000; This is a desktop machine where I want to use new code: I have installed some packages with apt-get -t unstable install I wonder if that has not caused problems and if I should just move to unstable. Is there a good tutorial on debugging package conflicts? I often try to install things and apt is refusing to install a package, but I don't really understand why. I'm not looking for only specific answers to why something doens't work, rather I'd like to learn how to figure out why on my own. Here's some examples: # apt-get install locales Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: locales: Depends: glibc-2.2.5-14.3 E: Sorry, broken packages Hum, if I go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages and type in glibc and select Distribution: any all I see is glibc-doc. # dpkg -l libc6 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ NameVersion Description +++-===-===-= ii libc6 2.3.1-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data Here's another example: I don't understand why "wine" is to be removed. I assume there's some conflict -- can I get apt to me why? I assume the "kept back" packages are because I've installed those with -t unstable and I already have a newer version? # apt-get -s dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: wine The following NEW packages will be installed: libexif8 libssl0.9.7 The following packages have been kept back jpilot jpilot-plugins libfontconfig1 libfontconfig1-dev libpisock++0 libpisock8 libscrollkeeper0 pilot-link scrollkeeper sylpheed-claws 15 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 to remove and 10 not upgraded. -- Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No audio from cd-rom
tis 2003-01-28 klockan 13.42 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hi, > If the disc is spinning, and you're player is, ehm, playing, but you > don't hear the music, chances are you just don't have a cable connecting > your CD-player to your soundcard. MS Windows doesn't need such a cable, > but Linux does (although there must be workarounds available, I'd say). > I've been running Linux on this box for years now without any problems playing or ripping from this very cdrom. No changes have been made with cables or anything so this is specific for this Debian install. > If grip doesn't sense your CD, you should check if you point it to the > right direction. Is it a simulated SCSI-device? Go for /dev/scd0, /dev/sg0 > or whatever SCSI should have. If not, /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc should do > just fine. > I've checked all variations, the reader is /dev/cdrom symlink --> hdc. Burner /etc/scd0 is not connected to the soundcard. In /etc/modules I got: options ide-cd ignore=hdd ide-scsi In /etc/lilo.conf append="hdd=ide-scsi" > Anyway, I have the peculiar feeling I'm not helping you at all with the > above gibberish. Still, it's all I know, so if things doesn't work out > after checking all that stuff, I'm afraid I can't help you. > > BTW, do you manage to play other CD's correctly? Data cd's works fine but no audio...:-( Thank's for your effort. Cheers, Helgi Örn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
Quoting Richard Hector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:39, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > > > > Be sure and use it only behind a good firewall, in a trusted LAN. The > > whole r* (rsync, rsh, etc.) series is wildly insecure. > > Well, (according to the manpage) it uses rsh by default, but it can use > ssh as an alternative. > >From the man pages: You can also specify an alternative to rsh, by either using the -e command line option, or by setting the RSYNC_RSH environment variable. One common substitute is to use ssh, which offers a high degree of security. Old age and overloaded brain. I've used this. It is quite secure. Don't run the port mapper on either end so it can't be cracked and you can't accidentally use rsh instead of ssh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
backport of ICH4 IDE support
It is my understanding that the current 2.5 kernel has support for various DMA modes on the Intel ICH4 chipset. I don't really want to be running an experimental kernel, however, so I'd like to find a backport patch for a 2.4-series kernel. I've spent a fair amount of time with Google, but I still haven't found anything. Does anyone know if such a patch has been prepared by anyone, or where it might be found? Is there an apt-gettable package, by any chance? Thanks, --Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:01:14PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: >On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:39, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: >> >> Be sure and use it only behind a good firewall, in a trusted LAN. The >> whole r* (rsync, rsh, etc.) series is wildly insecure. > >Well, (according to the manpage) it uses rsh by default, but it can use >ssh as an alternative. right. you can setup a public rsync server so people can mirror your tree easily, but if a lot of people do, it will eat up your server resources. otherwise, use '-e ssh' for syncing over insecure links, actually that's the only way I do non public rsyncs. it's a very cool tool. I typically use "rsync -avessh --delete ./here/ user@host:there/" in most cases the default "checksum blocking size" is way too small, try using "--block-size=1 --checksum" if you're mirroring cd ISOs. // George -- GEORGE GEORGALIS, System Admin/Architectcell: 347-451-8229 Security Services, Web, Mail,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Multimedia, DB, DNS and Metrics. http://www.galis.org/george -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Troubles with pcmcia modules
* On Tue Jan 28, Jean-Luc On my DELL INSPIRON 8100 when I try woody, I must use yenta.o because > i82365.o doesn't work. Merci beaucoup, Jean-Luc. That worked just fine. Jesper -- Jesper Holmberg|"But how can | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | one be warm | ENST Br, BP 832, 29285 Brest, FRANCE | alone?" | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOLVED: XFree86 4.2.1 & Matrox G550 & DRI
Hi, in case someone have the same problem as I had, I'm writting this: I had a strange problem. DRI didn't work after XFree86 4.2.1 update. glxinfo as normal user showed "direct rendering: No", but if run as root showed "direct rendering: Yes". Because DRI worked in XFree86 4.1.x, I thought drivers are buggy. But today, I gave it another try and I've found that a normal user had no access to the /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri directory! That was the problem! Now DRI works! Patrik msg26875/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Migrate from RedHat to Debian
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:44:10PM +, Jimbo De La Fuente wrote: > How long are Debian-releases supported Depends, but looking at the Debian news page, 2.2 (potato) was released back on [15 Aug 2000]. There were several updates (7) to it. It was then finally replaced by 3.0 (woody) on [19 Jul 2002]. That's roughly a 2 year span. > And before some-one states the obvious...yes I do install the kernel > and the 'main' daemons from source I've found this to be much less necessary when I started using Debian. > What are the experiences other people have with migrating from RedHat to > Debian. The move to Debian was a welcome change. Haven't looked back and doubt I ever will. > Are there any other options as a distro (I'm looking for a distro > with security written in bold)? Well, officially security updates currently only exist for the stable release (currently woody). -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: invalid date from date -d 1969-12-31
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:36:36PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote: >On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:59:47PM -0500, Stan Heckman wrote: >> On my system, date -d returns "invalid date" for dates before 1970. It >> is possible that this began when I upgraded libc6. Any suggestions? > >1970-01-01 is time zero for *nixen. You're asking about what happened >before the big bang! Guess "date" is not as generally useful for >reformatting dates as it could be. However, its primary function is to >set/print the current date/time which is always more recent than 1970. Guess again. It works fine here... debian 3.0r1 $ date -d "1/15/1905" Sun Jan 15 00:00:00 EST 1905 $ date -d "1/15/1905" +%s -2049994800 Wouldn't surprise me if I couldn't set my clock to negative Unix time though. try "export LC_TIME=C" or better yet "export LC_ALL=C" man locale for details. // George -- GEORGE GEORGALIS, System Admin/Architectcell: 347-451-8229 Security Services, Web, Mail,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Multimedia, DB, DNS and Metrics. http://www.galis.org/george -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install problems: 3.0r1/i386 and Realtek 8319 network card
>From Anand Buddhdev on Monday, 2003-01-27 at 11:47:07 +0100: > I want to install Debian over the network. I downloaded the 2 'vanilla' > boot floppies, rescue.bin and root.bin, and booted with those. They > have kernel 2.2.22, and they did not recognise my ethernet card. Then > I decided to try the 2.4bf floppies, which have kernel 2.4.18. I see in > the kernel config that the following 3 device drivers are compiled in: > > CONFIG_8139CP=y > CONFIG_8139TOO=y > CONFIG_8139TOO_8129=y > > When I boot with these, my ethernet card is recognised, and I can choose > the network install method. However, the card actually fails to work, > even though it has been recognised. If I switch to the console on ALT-F2, > and ping the card's address, the ping works. However, I cannot ping any > other host on the network, nor can I ping the router. So the network > installation fails. I started the installation with "linux debug", > and I do see some odd errors in the debug log: > > eth0: TX timeout > > I could try and do an installation from a CDROM, but I'm afraid that even > then, my network card will either not be recognised (older 2.2 kernel) > or not work with the newer 2.4 kernel. > > The card works just fine under RedHat 7.3 and 8.0 (where the kernel is > usually patched with their own patches), and FreeBSD 4.7. > > Any clues as to how I can debug and/or solve this issue? I just recently set up Debian Woody via a network install, with an RTL 8139 network card and 2.4bf kernel. I encountered no problem. So let me ask a stupid question. Do you have more than one ethernet card? I do, and sometimes I end up confusing myself because I try to ping the network via the sis900 card, which is not attached. The sis card is part of the motherboard, and my rtl8139 card is a PCI card. I have rtl8139 cards in two of my computers, so I find it hard to believe that there is any issue with your card. This card and driver has been around a long time. Conrad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:01:14PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:39, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > > Be sure and use it only behind a good firewall, in a trusted LAN. The > > whole r* (rsync, rsh, etc.) series is wildly insecure. > > Well, (according to the manpage) it uses rsh by default, but it can use > ssh as an alternative. Yup. Despite the name, rsync by itself isn't really part of the r-programs. In fact, I've only ever used it anonymously. -- Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: autofs vs amd: Is there a preference?
-> Matus fantomas Uhlar wrote: -> > OTOH, it is currently not possible to mount a FS without explicitly -> > changing to nonexistent directory. You can workaround this with symlink -> > that points to the destination, but in that case never call stat() on -> > that link. On 25.01 12:11, Bob Proulx wrote: -> Huh? If you access the trigger point of the mount it will be -> mounted. You can mount it by doing any of 'test -f file', 'ls' or -> anything. We must be talking about different things to be this out of -> sync. i mean like /a -> /mount/a /b -> /mount/b /mount is mountes via autofs. ls -l /mount doesn't show anything after mount. ls -l /a /b shows only symlinks, but ls -l /a/ /b/ will mount both. (of course, if you don't have ls aliased with -L, -F etc which would stat the destination) What I want to say: there is no possibility to change to /mount/a until I explicitly try the path or the symlink. changing to /mount will not show anything. This is not good for window applications and users which don't want to 'enter' the filename or directory manually. -> > imho, the directory should exist (if it's possible) and stat() should not -> > cause mount, open and chdir should do. iirc it is in the TODO list for -> > automounter. -> It is not possible. When you stat() a file you will need to get the -> inode information which is stored on the NFS server not on the client -> automounter. The automounter must mount the underlying disk in order -> to get that information. (This is one cause of "mount storms" in the -> above mentioned not-recommended configurations. Running 'ls -l' on a -> symlink farm will stat() each and mount all.) of course, the information should be fake until the underlying filesystem is mounted. But it would help in the case i described above -- Matus "fantomas" Uhlar, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I don't wish to receive spam to this address. Varovanie: Nezelam si na tuto adresu dostavat akukolvek reklamnu postu. Quantum mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Testing/unstable system: keyboard freeze in X on reboot
First post for a while - only recently resubscribed, so here goes: My main box has been running testing for some time, with the odd thing pulled in from unstable. Before shutting it down for the weekend it had been up for a month without incident. Upon return the gdm logon screen would accept no keyboard input, although the mouse continued to function. I was also unable to switch between virtual consoles. When I killed gdm remotely, the keyboard worked fine on the command line. Also, when I killed gdm, my attempts at typing in the login box had appeared on the previously active console. Here's what I've tried: - checked XF86Config-4. This has not been altered for several months and was working fine. - attached another keyboard. Same behaviour as before. - checked that installation of gdm is up to date. - updated glibc to 2.3.1-10 (was runnning 2.3.1-5, so thought I'd upgrade given recent problems). Running gdm 2.2.5.5-2 gnome 1.4 xfree86-server 4.2.1-4 generic ps/2 "windows" keyboard 2.4.18 kernel Unfortunately I'd failed to get apt-listchanges to mail me, so I'm not entirely certain what's been installed in the last month (won't do that again). Any suggestions much appreciated, Stephanie -- Stephanie Boyd http://www.ixtab.org.uk/slb "Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" President Merkin Muffley, Dr. Strangelove msg26881/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what's wrong with rsync?
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 00:42, will trillich wrote: > what's wrong with rsync? > > i'm heartily exploring backup methodologies and from what i can > tell, rsync sure looks like "the bomb". > > any drawbacks? some good reason to NOT use it? something better? > > i'll be backing up the usual stuff (/etc /home ... and > /var/backups with pg_dump output in them...) As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with it. It's magic and wonderful. I use it in a cron job (with the "-e ssh" option for security and password-less login) to back up a small business server onto my server. Every 2 hours rsync backs up the financial data (a 1.5MB file in 2 minutes), and once a day it does the entire disk (4GB in 10 minutes or so). > apparently it does a remote diff somehow and then sends only the > parts that need changing? i can't imagine that it's possible to > compare two 1mb text files for differences without at least > sending one across the wires -- yet the manpage certainly has me > thinking that's what they claim it does. hmm? There's a web page describing the algorithm at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/tech_report/node2.html. It's not magic anymore, just wonderful. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: getting postfix + sasl to work
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Rupa Schomaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.01.27.1652 +0100]: >> It is nearly impossible to get sasl to work *correctly* in a chroot >> and even more difficult with PAM. > > Which is, I believe, why saslauthd was created - to load the > authentication off to another software outside the chroot. There is > absolutely no documentation though. Got it. Just reviewed the sasl documentation. The *only* way to support CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 (encrypted auth) is to use sasldb or something called "auxprop" -- not sure how they are related. So, even if you got saslauthd working (and the documentation is correct), it will only support traditional (non encrypted) authentication. Refer to /usr/share/doc/libsasl2/sysadmin.html for details. >> I just run it outside of it's jail... Also, you cannot use anything >> but PLAIN auth (plaintext userid/passwd in a base64 string) if you >> use PAM. Probably not a good idea. If you use sasldb (or sasldb2) >> then you can use things like CRAM-MD5. > > Why not? All (some? most?) of the "over the wire encrypted" methods that sasl supports requires that the real password be available to the piece of software that is mediating the authentication (in this case the sasl libs smtpd links against). For PAM, even if the password is stored somewhere in the clear, there is no way to ask pam "what is the password for this user", just "is this password valid". So, the only auth method supported are those that don't require the auth mechanism to know the real password -- AUTH PLAIN. Generally PAM will then auth against pam_unix which uses /etc/shadow. Those passwords cannot be reversed (since they are hashes or whatever). So, even if PAM supported giving the password to the auth requester it couldn't if you were using normal unix passwords. At one point (2yrs ago?) I was using pam_userdb (plaint text password storage) for users that existed on both unix and imap. PAM worked for unix logins and I had a auth module for sasl that worked with the db format for pam_userdb. I no longer had the source for that (eek, never put it in my cvs) and when I switched to sasl2 I realized that I had so few users that would use the functionality (combined unix and imap authentication database) that writing the code again would be silly and instead I just have different auth databases for unix login (me and wife) and imap login (everyone else plus me). > Is there any way to synchronize the /etc/shadow and /etc/sasldb > passwords? I am asking because my users finally learnt how to use the > passwd binary. I can't expect them to know anything else. Not that I know of. You can: 1) make passwd a wrapper that uses both passwd and saslpasswd when the user changes their password. 2) write a pam module that knows how to update sasldb and add it to /etc/pam.d/passwd. Both of the above means you have two authentication databases, but they are kept in sync as long as people use either passwd or programs that work through PAM (including passwd). Alternatively, you can do what I described above and: 3) Write a PAM module that stores enough info for both unix logins and sasl logins and then write a sasl module to authenticate against the new file layout. -- -rupa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Communicator removed from Testing?
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 07:09, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > "Mark L. Kahnt" wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 23:58, Curt Howland wrote: > > > Personal reply if possible, I cannot keep up with the traffic on user... > > > > > > Does anyone know why Netscape Communicator has been dropped from > > > Testing? > > > > > > Does Mozilla email load the Communicator mail files ok? > > > > > > Chocolate or Vanilla? > > > > > > Curt- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Wherever I go, everyone is a little bit safer because I am there. > > > Wherever I am, anyone in need has a friend. > > > Whenever I return home, everyone is happy I am there." > > >---The Warrior Creed, Robert L. Humphrey, USMC > > > > Debian Weekly News warned a while back that it would get the hook, as a) > > it is non-free, b) it is buggy and not getting noticeably better as > > Netscape is looking to retire it in favour of Netscape 7, and c) it > > wasn't even being kept up with the latest releases of that codebase from > > Netscape. > > Yes, and with all of that said, some of us still prefer to use it for > various reasons. Mozilla is not a 100% replacement as of yet as it runs > too slowly on older systems, and in addition, the Mozilla mail/news just > isn't as good yet. > > I know there are other alternatives to look at, as well as other ways to > install Communicator. My point is simply that removing the Communicator > packages, as justified as it may seem to many, is still something of a > disservice to a portion of the Debian community. > > Tom I make no observation of relative qualities or selective suitability in one area relative to another - Communicator used to be my default Internet interaction suite, both on Linux and previously on OS/2 and even earlier, Windows NT. That said, I rarely could get the Debian packages to work, and so what I did was I installed it from Netscape's installer under /opt and created my own references to it there. Unlike some other programs, at least Communicator does have a good installer. As Colin notes in his reply, and was noted in the advisory that DWN noted, it was subject to serious bugs that weren't seeing any sign, in Debian, of getting any better. The source code not being available and not as many using it anymore, it was not showing signs of being fixed to be raised to meet Debian standards for security. The decision wasn't something "commercial" - it was in keeping with the Debian policies iiuc. The non-free aspect was not in and of itself the reason for the hook - it just made fixing the other two considerations noticeably more difficult. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux"?
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:20:40PM -0800, nate wrote: > will trillich said: > > > files on /dev/hdb2 have modification times no later than > > september 2000 -- pre-ext3 by a long shot. and i'm *positive* > > i've never even tried reiserfs, certainly not two-and-a-half > > years ago. wasn't ext2 the default for formatting under the > > potato or slink install? (as i recall, potato would start out as > > ext2 and then offered an ext3 option later... nope, ext3 didn't > > work either.) > > Before reiserfs, jfs, xfs, and ext3 the only filesystem I ever saw > supported was ext2 going back to my first slackware 3.2 install in '96. > there was the UMSDOS stuff too, but I never knew anyone that used it, > and that resided on a fat partition anyways. Oh, if you were unlucky you had to deal with ext, xiafs, or minix. > > racking my brain (what there is left of it) i stir no memory of > > anything unusual, file-system-wise. i'm just about certain that > > all three of these partitions would be the same file system. > > > > yet /dev/hdb2 mounts like a charm. > > I'd try what another poster suggested, try the debian slink rescue disks. > or just format it and forget about it, if you haven't needed the data > on that disk for 2 years you probably won't miss anything :) IMO, the OP's problem is the screwy geometry. Note that the only partition that could be mounted was the one which ended on a proper boundary. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you. -- Ramsey Clark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: getting postfix + sasl to work
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > also sprach Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.01.27.1949 +0100]: >> 1) the pam config file can be found >> 2) the pam module referenced can be found >> 3) any other resources the pam module needs can be found > > which is a lot, and i am not willing to maintain a chroot with all > these features. There was a time when Wietse spoke about adding an auth service to postfix so that all the auth stuff could be ripped out of smtpd. I don't know what happened to that, for all I know it got into postfix 2.0... The idea was to leave smtpd in the jail even when the auth stuff required elevated privs. authd (or whatever it would be called) would run with whatever privs were necessary to do the authentication. smtpd and authd would communicate like any other postfix daemon (unix domain sockets normally). If you look at the postfix source, you can see that Wietse is not too happy about linking SASL with smtpd. Of course, he is pretty paranoid about security... much more than most would ever be. The SASL_README file starts out with: WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING === This code is not blessed by Wietse. To use SASL support on Debian GNU/Linux, you must install the postfix-tls package. People who go to the trouble of installing Postfix may have the expectation that Postfix is more secure than some other mailers. With SASL authentication enabled in the Postfix SMTP client and SMTP server, Postfix becomes no more secure than other mail systems that use the Cyrus SASL library. The Cyrus SASL library has too little documentation about how the software is supposed to work; and it is too much code to be used in a security-sensitive program such as an SMTP client or server. -- -rupa -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New unofficial pine 4.53 packages available
>From http://www.braincells.com/open/ Click on the woody or sid links to get the right apt source lines. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backport of ICH4 IDE support
Gregory Seidman said: > It is my understanding that the current 2.5 kernel has support for various > DMA modes on the Intel ICH4 chipset. I don't really want to be running an > experimental kernel, however, so I'd like to find a backport patch for a > 2.4-series kernel. I've spent a fair amount of time with Google, but I > still haven't found anything. > > Does anyone know if such a patch has been prepared by anyone, or where it > might be found? Is there an apt-gettable package, by any chance? Given the horrible state IDE is in 2.5 currently I would be very hesitant to use such a patch if it were to exist. Recently I read I think alan cox commenting again on how bad the IDE is in 2.5.x still, unusable for a lotta folk still. Save some pain and pickup a PCI ide controller, I reccomend Promise ATA/100, or ATA/66, never tried their ATA/133 myself but it probably works fine too. nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alas and alack.
alex said: > Has the Linux security bubble burst? > > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013/1 as usual, this is very misleading. Most linux distributions contain hundreds if not thousands of times more software available for them "out-of-the-box" then win32 does. Now if they seperated the vulnerabilities out to those that ONLY affected linux, and not solaris, irix, etc then it may be a bit more fair ? I'm not sure. Count all the linux vulnerabilities vs all the win32 vulnerabilities and it may become clear that win32 is far worse(though I haven't looked into this myself). MS doesn't make all the win32 software though, anymore then redhat or debian make all the linux software. Same kinda thinking goes for market share. does a IBM S/390 running 65,000 copies of linux serving half a million people count as 1 server or 65,000 ? It's not entirely fair to count it as 1, since a Win32 system may require hundreds of servers to do the same job, but it's not entirely fair to count it as 65,000 .. the article that the MS hotmail guys wrote about pros vs. cons of freebsd vs win2000 was interesting though, check it out if your curious(highlights are available in the archives of www.theregister.co.uk) nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup Consensus?
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 19:50, will trillich wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:37:57PM +, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > > > OT: so where's the lexicon that relates quid, guinea, bob, > shilling, pence, pound and so forth, for the ignorant > north-americaner? :) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quid http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guinea http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sterling -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | "Fear the Penguin!!" | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Swap and ext3 (was: tune2fs ext2 -> ext3 do I do it to swap???)
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 19:51, Steve Lamb wrote: > On 27 Jan 2003 15:29:18 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heck, not only would it not do anything useful for you, you just can't > > do it!! > > Well, technically you can after a fashion. You can make a swap file on > the current file system which could be ext3. In fact I've done just that with > swapd. Question is what effects do a journalling file system have on swap > files? Very true, but then it's a swap *file*, not a swap partition, and that's what the OP asked about... Besides, *why* create a swap file, when swap partitions are more efficient? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | "Fear the Penguin!!" | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trouble installing postgresql
I get the following error when trying to install postgresql. The packages listed as required dependencies are all available. Does anyone know why apt is not simply installing these along with postgresql? Thanks, Dave De Graff root@host:~# apt-get install postgresqlReading Package Lists... DoneBuilding Dependency Tree... DoneSome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you haverequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstabledistribution that some required packages have not yet been createdor been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely thatthe package is simply not installable and a bug report againstthat package should be filed.The following information may help to resolve the situation: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: postgresql: Depends: libkrb5-17-heimdal (>= 0.4e-23) but it is not going to be installed Depends: postgresql-client but it is not going to be installed Depends: libpq3 (>= 7.3.1) but it is not going to be installedE: Sorry, broken packagesroot@host:~#
Re: autofs vs amd: Is there a preference?
Matus fantomas Uhlar wrote: > i mean like > > /a -> /mount/a > /b -> /mount/b Ew... /symlinks to network mounted locations are not recommended. Which is my way of saying they are a very bad thing. One 'ls -l /' and you find yourself hanging waiting for a down network. I am very sensitive to that since in the old days a 'ps' would nlist the kernel in / and ps would have if there was a network problem. Fixed now but there are other issues. > /mount is mountes via autofs. ls -l /mount doesn't show anything after > mount. ls -l /a /b shows only symlinks, but ls -l /a/ /b/ will mount both. > (of course, if you don't have ls aliased with -L, -F etc which would stat > the destination) Agreed. Thanks for the clarification. > What I want to say: there is no possibility to change to /mount/a until I > explicitly try the path or the symlink. changing to /mount will not show I know what you mean. But you said it. This works. cd /mount/a > anything. This is not good for window applications and users which don't > want to 'enter' the filename or directory manually. Ah, so the real problem comes through. For your windows application you might consider 'direct' maps instead of 'host' or 'indirect' maps. However, they can be painful because they need to be driven as things change. A complete list of all available mounts. And an 'ls -l' of the trigger point can cause a mount storm. Doing a test it appears that the default linux kernel limits the number of mounts to 250 at any given time. And autofs did not recover well. I had to stop it and manually unmount the mount points. It did not want to automount unmount them at timeout itself for some reasons. > -> It is not possible. When you stat() a file you will need to get the > -> inode information which is stored on the NFS server not on the client > -> automounter. The automounter must mount the underlying disk in order > -> to get that information. (This is one cause of "mount storms" in the > -> above mentioned not-recommended configurations. Running 'ls -l' on a > -> symlink farm will stat() each and mount all.) > > of course, the information should be fake until the underlying filesystem is > mounted. But it would help in the case i described above Of course if you break the normal system disk paradigm other people will strongly claim it is a bug. So it can't show made up data. Thanks for the clarifications. I think we are on the same page now. Bob msg26893/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Module parameters
Hello, Two questions - how do I find out what parameters a module accepts (which part of the kernel source if thats where you look)? And how do you get a driver to work with 2 network cards (two ne2000:s). TIA - Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
recurring costs of computer hobby (was: Re: Mysterious diskactivity)
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 21:32, nate wrote: > Ron Johnson said: > > > Leave it on, and fall quickly to sleep listening to white noise, > > while lowering the house's thermostat, since you have an auxillary heater > > in the room. > > I like white noise, but unfortunately not all computers emit such > noise. my tivo is one, as is my laptop, I gotta turn on a powerful > fan at night to drown out the tivo, which has 2 drives in it, at least > one of them has gotten to the 'soft but piercing whine' point where > I have trouble sleeping. Doesn't compare to my laptop, it's about 10x > louder :( > > just gotta have enough fans to offset the whine. Used to have my redhat > server in my bedroom, but it too was too loud with 5 x 10k RPM drives, > the whine was loud despite 3x30CFM fans and my floor fan running. but > in my living room I can barely hear the whine, since there are about 7 > other computers running at any given time with lots more fans, my 48port > switch's fans are really loud and do a good job at generating white noise, > one time last year when a friend came in from outta town I actually slept > next to my rack so he could have my bedroom for the night, wasn't too > bad since there was so many fans(with all of em maybe 250CFM total) Your electric bills my be outrageous... -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | "Fear the Penguin!!" | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Switching groups - not working
Ian Melnick wrote: > > I want certain users to be able to switch into different groups. So I Switching groups is a real pain. I recommend that you just put your users into each group and let them stay there. Then they don't need to switch groups. Then look at using sgid directories for any shared work area. This is called User Private Groups and was popularized by Redhat. Debian is set up for this, almost. I definitely recommend using a UPG methodology. Bob msg26896/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: phoenix and java?
Thanks for the detailed explaination using a additional library system - I really appreciate your help. > > Just curiously grepped for LD_LIBRARY_PATH in > > some dirs and noticed that perl seems to use > > this environment variable too. Is there some > > source of standard env. variables? - I have > > read so many howto's but never came across > > this topic and it does interest me. > > I would like to know this too... > > Pigeon Hopefully someone might jump in and help. If not I guess I have to subscribe to some developer list to get these things sorted out. Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fonts in tables
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 06:45:39PM -0500, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 09:23:56PM +0100, Robert Land wrote: > > Thank you very much for your assistance Emma. > > I hoped not to use style sheets because the w3m > > version I am using does not seem to support CSS - > > so I tried something in between - and hoped > > for the best. > > Is there something else I could use to format > > only one column (using html) with one stroke > > instead of - puh...keying for all rows in the > > desired column the tag? > > Are you sure it's the CSS part that's not supported? I could be that > and aren't supported by w3m and that's why you're not seeing the > styling. I tried to install w3m to see what you were talking about, but > the packages didn't want to install. > > emma Not quite sure Emma - I just searched the w3m docs for anything containing "SS" and "CSS" and ended up in no result. Could be that I'm using the 'potato/stable' version which seems to be bound to 0.1.11-pre and that is _very_ young. Didn't get to compile new versions because I am/was quite unsure updating or appending libraries to the system. In any case w3m seems to be a great program which I would like to keep up to. Why didn't your installation work? Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using man pages for programming
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:32:51PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:01:15PM +0100, Robert Land wrote: > > reading the signal(7) man page I noticed > > the header "Linux Programmer's Manual" - > > yet, how to I find the contents or index > > of this manual 'section'? > > Install dwww and use the index it generates. Use apropos to look for > keywords in the headers of man pages. > > Cheers, > > -- > Colin Watson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I had come across dwww browsing apt-cache, I think tkman has something simular - but It didn't help me to under- stand if/how all these man pages are logicaly organised. "Apropos" is one of my favorit helpers, but if you do a: "apropos program|grep signal" you end up in no results, yet the above mentioned signal man page has this header "Linux Programmer's Manual". Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux"?
There's a way to fix this. Googling for "Bad magic number" and "super-block" should bring something up... On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:58, will trillich wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:22:21PM -0800, nate wrote: > > will trillich said: > > > ideas? (i think this was my slink disk drive -- i'd like to > > > use it to alleviate some space pressure on my woody > > > server...) > > > > what does e2fsck say for those drives you cannot mount? Try > > running a read-only pass on them. I can't imagine why the > > newer kernel would be unable to mount a slink partition(though > > I can see it happening the other way around), though I haven't > > personally tried it. > > root: /mnt# e2fsck /dev/hdb1 > e2fsck 1.27 (8-Mar-2002) > Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... > e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb1 > > root: /mnt# e2fsck /dev/hdb5 > e2fsck 1.27 (8-Mar-2002) > Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... > e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hdb5 > > N.B. an earlier thread noticed "bad magic" mentioned at or > before LILO, so it may have been this type of thing > (certainly not the file-detector 'magic number' theory)... > > files on /dev/hdb2 have modification times no later than > september 2000 -- pre-ext3 by a long shot. and i'm *positive* > i've never even tried reiserfs, certainly not two-and-a-half > years ago. wasn't ext2 the default for formatting under the > potato or slink install? (as i recall, potato would start out as > ext2 and then offered an ext3 option later... nope, ext3 didn't > work either.) > > > and partition type 83 is linux yes, but it's just a partition type, > > many kinds of filesystems can reside in there. > > racking my brain (what there is left of it) i stir no memory of > anything unusual, file-system-wise. i'm just about certain that > all three of these partitions would be the same file system. > > yet /dev/hdb2 mounts like a charm. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | "Fear the Penguin!!" | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: LinkSYS BEFSR41 router
> I didn't give my machines afixed ip in setup, since it would > go against > the dhcp settings ( I think). Could this be the reason for the > invisibility problem? () > From my other machine I can see now the page, but not from the WAN. > More detailed, I got the router's IP, and set the http > request to port > 80 to the Linux machine where I have the apache server > running. When I > point the browser to the routers ip from the outside it just hangs > there. I assume it most be some issu with permissions in the Apache > settings, or may be some module missing, but I don't exactly what the > problem is. > Any ideas? > Thanks. When you try to connect from the outside with port forwarding on (I have the BEFSR41 myself, I am quite pleased with it, although now I want the wireless version) you just need to find out what IP the router has... Your host with apache : 192.168.1.100 Router's IP = 24.29.255.3 Port forwarding on port 80 of router to 192.168.1.100 then just http://24.29.255.3 -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alas and alack.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:58:21AM -0500, alex wrote: > Has the Linux security bubble burst? > > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030124S0013/1 I would say "no", for five reasons: 1) Langa suggests that part of the reason behind the current rise in Linux security flaws being found is because more crackers are targeting it. If this is true, then they're probably finding a lot of problems that have been around for a while. If security problems are being fixed faster than new ones are being introduced, this will drop off instead of remaining at the current rate. It is too soon to say whether this will happen or not, but there's no strong reason to accept Langa's assumption that it will not. 2) To try and normalize for the existence of multiple Linux distributions, Langa does a straight comparison of the number of security fixes released by Red Hat 7.2 vs. Windows XP. He does not, however, take into account the number of issues addressed by each patch. In my experience, Linux tends towards 'one bug, one patch', while Microsoft waits around a bit, then issues a single mega-patch that fixes dozens of problems all in one shot. You cannot, therefore, expect a simple count of how many patches have been released to be a meaningful comparison. 3) Stating that "if it's unfair to lump all open source software together for bug-counting purposes, it's also unfair to do the same thing for all Microsoft software," Langa chooses to not include MSIE, MSOE, or any other Microsoft products in the XP bug count. It is unclear, however, whether the Red Hat bug count includes browsers, mail clients, etc. distributed as part of Red Hat Linux. If it does, then the MS bug count should include all 'standard' Windows apps. 4) Langa dismisses claims of quick bug fixes for open source software on the basis that they're taking longer to be packaged these days. He neglects to mention that updated OSS packages are typically available days to weeks after an exploit is discovered, while commercial software vendors (not just MS) tend to take weeks to months to produce an update, if they even bother to issue a patch at all instead of leaving it until the next version is released or denying that the problem exists. Plus, of course, it is possible to obtain the raw patches and apply them yourself without waiting for the official update. (Few people do this these days, but that's not the software's fault.) 5) A lot of Microsoft's problems look to me like design issues and their patches tend to just cover up specific ways of exploiting the design flaws - treating the symptoms while ignoring the underlying problem. OSS tends to be more likely to apply a band-aid today, to cover up the immediate problem, and then get to work on the underlying problem ASAP. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using VIA C3 and Woody?
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 07:10, Bill Moseley wrote: > I want to build a very quiet and stable machine. Anyone using a VIA C3 > based system with Woody? If so, what motherboard are you using? Any > hardware issues? There's an option to specify the C3/Elan when compiling new kernels. Even if there weren't, a 386 kernel would work fine. > The machine will not be running X, rather it will probably be a home-use > IMAP mail server (very low traffic). So on-board video and lan will be > fine (although it may act as a firewall too, so I'll need two NICs). I'd recommend that the firewall be on it's own stand-alone system, so that, for example, if it gets hacked, the bad guy would stil have to hack into your other machines to get ahold of your data. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | "Fear the Penguin!!" | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module parameters
This one time, at band camp, Andrew M. Lindley said: > Hello, > > Two questions - how do I find out what parameters a module accepts (which > part of the kernel source if thats where you look)? > > And how do you get a driver to work with 2 network cards (two ne2000:s). > > TIA - Andrew You can look at the kernel code if you like, but yikes! It's kind of messy in there at times. The easiest way to get the information is to what you've just done, and ask here. It looks like you want to set up two NICs that use the same module. No problem: alias eth0 ne2000 alias eth1 ne2000 in some file under /etc/modutils (make up a new one, or add to an existing one if you want) Then run update-modules, and it should work. If you need to pass parameters (IO, etc) to each module, do it on the same line: alias eth0 ne2000 options . . . alias eth1 ne2000 options . . . HTH, -- -- | Stephen Gran | Experience is what causes a person to | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | make new mistakes instead of old ones. | | http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | | -- msg26904/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
odd message from apt, 'Encountered status field in a non-version description'
W: Encountered status field in a non-version description W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems running it twice works...as suggested but then the problem reappears...later a google search on the phrase doesn't yield anything... and bugs.debian.org does list anything in the apt page.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can not get UDMA-100 working... SOLVED !!!
Thanks to anyone for your feedback. Yes, the cable is connected correctly to the MB (blue connector), and to the drive (black connector, since drive is alone). I had also tried `hdparm -X69 /dev/hda` without success. And when I was getting the drive working correctly, then the day after, at machine startup, it would again ignore the UDMA-100 mode. In fact, this seems to be caused by the kernel itself: I've checked in the linux-kernel mailing list archives, and found out that other people had the same problems with the Promise stuff. To solve this, just add "idex=ata66" to the kernel parameters in lilo or grub (where x is the ID of the HDD on which to force UDMA-66/100): it will bypass cable detection and force UDMA-100 mode. Now everything is working fine :-) Thanks again to everybody. Cheers, Dominique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recurring costs of computer hobby (was: Re: Mysterious disk activity)
Ron Johnson said: > Your electric bills my be outrageous... If I were in california I'm sure they would be! But I'm in washington, and my last bill was about $91. And last time I checked I use about 4 times the power as the average family in washington according to my power company. $91 is very managable for me(even unemployed as I am). My power company I guess was smart during the power crunch, a neighboring county's power company made some bad mistakes(high priced short term contracts? not sure) which caused the cost of power to double or triple for those folks. I saw 6-9 months ago about people getting ~$300 bills and they probably use half the power I use ..! nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: invalid date from date -d 1969-12-31
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:32:45AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:36:36PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote: > >On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:59:47PM -0500, Stan Heckman wrote: > >> On my system, date -d returns "invalid date" for dates before 1970. It > >> is possible that this began when I upgraded libc6. Any suggestions? > > > >1970-01-01 is time zero for *nixen. You're asking about what happened > >before the big bang! Guess "date" is not as generally useful for > >reformatting dates as it could be. However, its primary function is to > >set/print the current date/time which is always more recent than 1970. > > Guess again. It works fine here... debian 3.0r1 > $ date -d "1/15/1905" > Sun Jan 15 00:00:00 EST 1905 > $ date -d "1/15/1905" +%s > -2049994800 $ export LANG="C" $ date -d "1/15/1905" date: invalid date `1/15/1905' Mmm, I guess it's a bug in sid's date... -- echo ">gra.fcw@2ztr< eryyvZ .T pveR" | rot13 | reverse -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: do i need stable in my sources.list?
Pierre THIERRY wrote: Since most security updates for stable are going to be a version lower You can use APT preferences to give security updates a higher priority. Note also that there is a security repository for sarge... I thought I new how to set up sources in my sources.list, but when I go to www.debian.org, I can find no links to even well known sites such as http://ftp.debian.org/ . If I were entirely new to Debian I would be at a total loss. I don't see any mention of sites that I know exist, e.g. the security site for woody. How should I discover where this new security site for sarge is located? I guess, ask a "stupid" question. What is the URL of the sarge security repository? Paul Morningly, le Moine Fou -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Module parameters
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 17:50, Andrew M. Lindley wrote: > Two questions - how do I find out what parameters a module accepts (which > part of the kernel source if thats where you look)? No need to dig this deep. 'modinfo -p ' prints a list of parameters and descriptions. > And how do you get a driver to work with 2 network cards (two ne2000:s). It's been a while, but I think you do this by passing multiple io/irq parameters to the module. -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libc6_2.2.5.5-11.2_i386 corrupt in release 30r1?
Everytime I try to install debian i386 30r1 from us.debian.org or oregon state university, i get the error message that libc6... is corrupt. I've used jigdo and the md5sums were correct. I've downloaded the iso image from oregon state u. I've even tried to install this over the network, and I always get the same problem. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Patching the Kernel the Debian Way
Team: I need to apply the freeswan patch to the kernel, and, as always, I hope to do this "The Debian Way". I've been reading the make-kpkg man page, and there appears to be 3 different ways to do this. 1. The patch_the_kernel configuration option, which I assume is somewhere in the .config file that I just haven't found yet. 2. The PATCH_THE_KERNEL environment variable. Where is this set? I don't seem to have one in my, or root's environment. Should I just add it to my, and/or root's, .bashrc or .bash_profile? If so, which one? 3. The added_patches option to make-kpkg It seems that setting the PATCH_THE_KERNEL environment variable to AUTO makes the most sense - this way, you only add the patches if you specify the added_patches option to make-kpkg, giving you control. In the above scenario, am I correct in assuming that setting the PATCH_THE_KERNEL environment variable to AUTO and specifying the added_patches option to make-kpkg without listing specific patches will apply ALL the patches in /usr/src/kernel-patches? So, if you go this way, you need to be sure that you have just the patches you want, or that you explicitly list the subset you want each time you build a kernel? Thanks madmac -- Doug MacFarlane [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate from RedHat to Debian
> Hi List, > How long are Debian-releases supported (okay, with 'open' software you > can compile/write your own upgrades but that's not an option)? http://www.debian.org/releases/ Debian only has one version, stable... sort of... Think of Debian as one version that is periodically rolling from unstable->testing->stable stable comes less than once a year from my limited experience. But I think you can still get packages from some very old releases. But I do not know if they are actually maintained for security updates and such (I suspect not). > I know > they use an equivalent system to the rpm-system. How long are releases > supported through these deb-packages. And before some-one states the > obvious...yes I do install the kernel and the 'main' daemons from > source (like Apache, Postfix, Squid, DJBDNS, Iptables,Snort) but I > prefer to upgrade 'minor' things trough the concept of packages from > the distro. > You can, but you can also install Apache, Postfix, Squid from packages supplied as Debian ".deb" files (similar to .rpm). There is an option to install packages precompiled or from source files (as a .deb package). If you insist on the very bleeding edge versions all the time, you probably won't find them in the stable version of deb-src files. > What are the experiences other people have with migrating from RedHat > to Debian. Are there any other options as a distro (I'm looking for a > distro with security written in bold)? > I've found Debian to be pretty darn good for security. Now, about my own experiences overall. I came from Slackware... But Debian does things differently than many of the others. The Debian Policy dictates that files be in certain places and be called certain things. Not everyone who makes code agrees with these policies, but once you familiarize yourself with these Debian-specific features/peculiarities you will find that getting around and configuring stuff gets pretty second nature. They both use the same format for rc.files (Sys V?) They use very different tools for configuring X, Network and others. RedHat (when I used it back when) does a lot of configurations for you with GUI's. Debian allows a lot more flexibility and it typically command line oriented tools. Very sweet for managing servers through SSH. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tune2fs ext2 -> ext3 do I do it to swap ???
Thanks for the advice guys I will leave swap partition as nature intended !! Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dist-upgrade question (Thanks)
Thanks to all who responded. As usual, you can always learn something new. Thanks Again Don --- Seneca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 06:17:29AM -0800, D. wrote: > > I'm running Testing on a PII 350 and attempted > to do > > a dist-upgrade last night. Here is the results of > the > > apt-get -u dist-upgrade. > > My questions is why is it trying to remove the > > task-x-window-system-core? If I did this wouldn't > I > > have lost my "Desktop" and only had text only > mode? > > Tasks contain dependancies, not content. > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > atlas2 libctl1 task-gnome-desktop > > task-x-window-system-core > > The following NEW packages will be installed: > > atlas2-base coreutils dash guile-common guile1.4 > > libctl2 libgnet1.1-glib1 libguile-dev libltdl3-dev > > > atlas2-base replaces atlas2 > libctl2 replaces libctl1 > The tasks are just packages containing dependancies. > If you had said > 'y' to the upgrade, the two task-* packages would be > removed, but not X. > > > The following packages have been kept back > > balsa debian-policy tetex-bin > > You might want to take a look at their new > dependancies to see why they > were kept back. > > > The following packages will be upgraded > > ash console-data debconf debconf-utils dh-make > > docbook-xml fileutils > > gnomeicu initrd-tools latex2html libctl-dev > lintian > > mpb sgml-data shellutils textutils xbase-clients > > xfree86-common xlibs xlibs-dev xserver-common > xutils > > 22 packages upgraded, 9 newly installed, 4 to > remove > > and 3 not upgraded. > > As you can see here, X would be upgraded, not > removed. > > > Need to get 17.1MB of archives. After unpacking > 1910kB > > will be used. > > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n > > 'y' > > -- > Seneca > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using man pages for programming
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:14:57PM +0100, Robert Land wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:32:51PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:01:15PM +0100, Robert Land wrote: > > > reading the signal(7) man page I noticed > > > the header "Linux Programmer's Manual" - > > > yet, how to I find the contents or index > > > of this manual 'section'? > > > > Install dwww and use the index it generates. Use apropos to look for > > keywords in the headers of man pages. > > I had come across dwww browsing apt-cache, I think tkman > has something simular - but It didn't help me to under- > stand if/how all these man pages are logicaly organised. In general they aren't, beyond the division into sections. There's no central authority administering the contents of man pages. > "Apropos" is one of my favorit helpers, but if you do a: > "apropos program|grep signal" > you end up in no results, yet the above mentioned signal > man page has this header "Linux Programmer's Manual". apropos looks in the "NAME" section of the page, not that text (which is mostly not very important and usually just a description of the numeric section or the organization responsible for the page; "Linux Programmer's Manual" is simply set in the .TH line of the man page itself). You might find the package system more informative here. 'dpkg -S signal.7' says that that page comes from the 'manpages' package, and 'dpkg -L manpages' will list the other pages from the same source. Cheers, -- Colin Watson (man-db maintainer) [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
newbie - tar.gz unistall
How can I unistall applications that was installed through a .tar.gz file? in this case is turboprint application []´s Iced Sun
Getting gcc to work
I've installed gcc but can't find its executables. Seems like the last time I installed it on a fresh woody installation, it was all configured to run. Session output is below. Any ideas? Thx, Dave De Graff root@host:# feta install gcc-3.2Reading Package Lists... DoneBuilding Dependency Tree... DoneThe following extra packages will be installed: cpp-3.2 gcc-3.2-base libgcc1 The following NEW packages will be installed: cpp-3.2 gcc-3.2 2 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 77 not upgraded.Need to get 2568kB of archives. After unpacking 5849kB will be used.Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Get:1 http://ftp-mirror.internap.com unstable/main gcc-3.2-base 1:3.2.2-0pre6 [123kB]Get:2 http://ftp-mirror.internap.com unstable/main cpp-3.2 1:3.2.2-0pre6 [120kB]Get:3 http://ftp-mirror.internap.com unstable/main libgcc1 1:3.2.2-0pre6 [52.8kB]Get:4 http://ftp-mirror.internap.com unstable/main gcc-3.2 1:3.2.2-0pre6 [2273kB]Fetched 2568kB in 25s (99.4kB/s) (Reading database ... 8828 files and directories currently installed.)Preparing to replace gcc-3.2-base 1:3.2.2-0pre5 (using .../gcc-3.2-base_1%3a3.2.2-0pre6_i386.deb) ...Unpacking replacement gcc-3.2-base ...Selecting previously deselected package cpp-3.2.Unpacking cpp-3.2 (from .../cpp-3.2_1%3a3.2.2-0pre6_i386.deb) ...Preparing to replace libgcc1 1:3.2.2-0pre5 (using .../libgcc1_1%3a3.2.2-0pre6_i386.deb) ...Unpacking replacement libgcc1 ...Selecting previously deselected package gcc-3.2.Unpacking gcc-3.2 (from .../gcc-3.2_1%3a3.2.2-0pre6_i386.deb) ...Setting up gcc-3.2-base (3.2.2-0pre6) ...Setting up cpp-3.2 (3.2.2-0pre6) ...Setting up libgcc1 (3.2.2-0pre6) ... Setting up gcc-3.2 (3.2.2-0pre6) ...root@host:# which ccroot@host:# which gccroot@host:# find /* -name ccroot@host:# find /* -name gcc/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.2-base/gccroot@host:# gccbash: gcc: command not foundroot@host:# ccbash: cc: command not foundroot@host:# which cpproot@host:# find /* -name cpproot@host:# echo $PATH/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/binroot@host:#
