Re: garbled chars in mutt

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:30:13PM +0800, Michael C. Alonzo wrote:
> i have mutt sort my mails by threads, the arrow (--->) now appears
> to be garbled(squares, unknown chars)... what should i do?

Use a different font for your terminal (want one with graphic
characters, like the default X fixed font).

-- 
Eric G. Miller 

Re: garbled chars in mutt

[Allan M. Wind]

On 2002-02-16 22:11:04, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> Use a different font for your terminal (want one with graphic
> characters, like the default X fixed font).

I switched to -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1
and unchecked the "Enable multibyte support" in gnome-terminal which
gave me back the missing non-ascii chars but the threaded overview is
still somewhat broke.   Am I correct in assuming that unicode and mutt
don't quite go along?


/Allan
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Re: customized debian installer

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 07:27:27PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 09:39:16PM +0800, Michael C. Alonzo wrote:
> > hi! a friend of mine is asking me if i can "make" a debian installer
> > specific for KDE only. is there an available installer for woody
> > already? how should i do this? can someone point me to the right 
> > direction please... thanks.
> 
> Choose "simple" option during install and select "KDE" from menu.
> 
Anonymous wrote me:

Q: Where can I get woody installer?

A: 
Well if you are asking, you better install minimum potato and upgrade
to woody.  My link below has some hints how to move to woody.

Then run followings:

# dselect update
# tasksel

Woody is not released yet.  So use at your own risk and spend time to
cope with "situation".

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I welcome your constructive criticisms and corrections.

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

[ben]

On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:52 pm, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote:
> > On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote:
> > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone
> > > > who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ...
> >
> > i really really don't want you to construe this as any kind of
> > xenophobia, but this phrase above just doesn't work in english. i have no
> > idea what you meant to convey by this.
>
> I admit, I'm no english man, but the sentence you fail to parse seem
> clear as can be to my foreign eyes:)  Or were you just kidding?
>
> To me it says, that we on this list have no interest in ridiculing
> anyone, and especially not someone that formulates his criticism and
> suggestions in a constructive way.

no, i wasn't kidding, and thanks for the translation. perhaps it's all the 
more apparent to you precisely because you are not a native english speaker. 

that said, grammar does count in english, primarily because it lacks any 
basis in logic, having been derived from a broad corruption of romance (latin 
based; spanish, french, italian) and germanic languages (german, dutch, and 
all that of the scandinavian countries--except for finnish, which, by its 
name, desribes, at least phonetically, notice of its own imminent demise).

nonetheless, while the rules of english lack logic, those rules do, 
however, have significance in usage, particularly where one seeks to make 
a salient point based on tenuous grounds. 

given your translation--which by its existence justifies its necessity--i am 
moved to respond to the original poster that people in glass houses are well 
advised to not throw stones.

ben

Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Elizabeth Barham]

Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Pardon me for a hideously off-topic question here, but does anyone
> know of any cheap alternatives to getting a KVM for home use? I've
> got 3 PC's tucked away under my desk, as well as a Sega Dreamcast
> that I connect my monitor and my keyboard to, and none of them care
> about whether they're started up with or without these devices or
> whether the devices are plugged in afterwards. So, for me, there's
> no benefit in getting a KVM for $500+ when I'm sure that there's a
> "quick and dirty" solution available somewhere. I've scoured the net
> to no avail. (I'm not an engineer, but how hard can it be to have a
> switch go from one input to 4 outputs?)

Fry's has some for about $100:

http://shop1.outpost.com/search?search_type=regular&session_id=&engine_id=&system_cgi=&resultpage=0&form%25destination=%2Ftemplates%2FOutpost%2Fsearch%2Fsearch_results.tmpl&form%25destination_type=template&form%25searchmode=FullText&form%25sortby=MANUFACTURER&form%25sortorder=asc&form%25sortby2=NAME&form%25sortorder2=asc&form%25maxitem=500&form%25bv_content_content_type=0&form%25new_query=YES&query_string=kvm&SUBMIT.x=0&SUBMIT.y=0

Do you use X?

Elizabeth

Re: booting with no keyboard or moue

[Elizabeth Barham]

Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but
> > >hopefully you have a UPS).
> > 
> I heard on this list that this may cause hardware damage.  I had
> several accident of unplugging KB and no problem afterward. (I was
> not on Compaq but generic MB)

I don't understand how it could possibly cause hardware damage.  The
only problem is if the power goes off and you're not around; if they
keyboard isn't plugged in when it tries to reboot, it will just hang.
(I even tested if it timed out after a long period of time but it did
not [older 486 Compaq]).


> > > 3) There are little devices ($50?) that allow you to hook up
> > >more than one machine to one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse -
> > >you select which one you want to use with a button on the
> > >device. Use it.
> > 

> Just curios, if plugging PS2 mouse will do or not.  That is cheaper
> and space efficient. :)

Turns out they're called KVM's and the cheaper ones are around $100 at
Fry's. I believe I tried the PS2 trick but it did not work either.

Elizabeth

Re: garbled chars in mutt

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:23:33AM -0500, Allan M. Wind wrote:
> On 2002-02-16 22:11:04, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> > Use a different font for your terminal (want one with graphic
> > characters, like the default X fixed font).
> 
> I switched to -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1
> and unchecked the "Enable multibyte support" in gnome-terminal which
> gave me back the missing non-ascii chars but the threaded overview is
> still somewhat broke.   Am I correct in assuming that unicode and mutt
> don't quite go along?

It may be mutt doesn't really support unicode chars, or it may be that
the gnome-terminal doesn't really support it.  I tend to think that
there's a good chance of gnome-terminal being the culprit, since I
know that most GNOME programs do not handle multibyte or unicode
characters (this is corrected with the new libes, but few apps are
ported yet).  Could also be mutt doesn't handle the characters
correctly as well.

You might experiment with an 8859-? encoding, since they're guaranteed
to only be eight bit wide characters.  This stuff is a bit of a mess,
but the future looks pretty good with UTF-8.  It'll just be a while
'til it's widely supported.

-- 
Eric G. Miller 

Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 22:56, Cameron Kerr wrote:

> What function is your DreamCast playing (Games? Or have you hacked it to
> do something else?)

As new Dreamcast games are rather scarce these days, it has been given
the great honor of running Potato. :) I've been thinking about setting
up Apache on it to do some limited web serving, but I haven't gotten
around to it yet. First I need to figure out how to get it to boot from
an NFS mount. Burning a new CD each time I make a change is getting
costly. (Not to mention hideously repetitive.)

> Do any of the computer not require a console? You can use a serial console
> to do that, if thats the case.

Well, getting the monitor, keyboard, and mouse to switch between setups
would be more of a convenience than anything else. One of the computers
is my all-purpose desktop which gets 99% of my time, one is a P133
functioning as a mailserver which I have no problem telnetting into, and
one is my laptop which I just hate having to keep moving 75 degrees to
my left to look at. :) The Dreamcast is the only thing that really
REQUIRES any cables to be moved, and I don't use it all that often.
That's one of the reasons that spending a good deal of money on a KVM
isn't really an option.

-Alex


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[glynis: Re: digital camera reccomendations for debian]

[glynis]

not often can i participate in these conversations, but i have to tell
you, the hp photosmart 315 is damn cool!  i'm borrowing it from a
friend, and all i had to do is plug it into the usb, mount up
/dev/sda1, copy the jpegs off, and i was done.  wonderful!
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Re: Routing problems in stable

[Elizabeth Barham]

Cameron Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> I installed Stable, got the interfaces up and running, both interfaces
> work fine. I enable /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward (via
> /etc/network/options, and manually), in order to enable routing of the two
> subnets.

What's Stable?

> Heres the topology
> 
>  --- a---bc--- 
> 
> a = 192.168.1.1
> b = 192.168.1.2
> c = 192.168.0.1
> 
> All of the internal network is in the 192.168.0/24 subnet.
> 
> I can ping from the internal net, to (b) and (c), but cannot get to (a)
> from there.
> 
> I have full connectivity to all boxen (including internet) from ROUTER
> All IPs are configured statically, and correct routes have been verified
> (as far as I can tell, the default route on my test machine on INTERNAL is
> set to use ROUTER as a gateway) Traceroute from INTERNAL shows packets
> going to ROUTER, and nowhere from there.
> 
> PROGNOSIS: Packets are not being routed from 192.168.1/24 to 192.168.0/24
> on the machine labelled ROUTER.
> 
> Thanks for any hints.

The only thing I can think of is your masquerading setup. I did
something similar (with a cable modem) for a friend using freesco -
http://www.freesco.com/ (or org or net). It's pretty easy to set-up
and boots off a floppy. Has a name server and dhcp server to boot.

You might like to play with tcpdump(8) if you don't already. You can
watch the packets fly around.

The ADSL system may be set up to not allow any packets that are not
from the 192.168.1.0/24 network, in which case you should use
masquerading. (Is this a firewall or just a router?).

Elizabeth

Re: booting with no keyboard or moue

[ben]

On Saturday 16 February 2002 10:45 pm, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but
> > > >hopefully you have a UPS).
> >
> > I heard on this list that this may cause hardware damage.  I had
> > several accident of unplugging KB and no problem afterward. (I was
> > not on Compaq but generic MB)
>
> I don't understand how it could possibly cause hardware damage.  The
> only problem is if the power goes off and you're not around; if they
> keyboard isn't plugged in when it tries to reboot, it will just hang.
> (I even tested if it timed out after a long period of time but it did
> not [older 486 Compaq]).
>
i've actually experienced this on a machine with an older 486 era bios. an 
unseated keyboard plug caused the absolute frying of an ide hard drive. don't 
ask me how or why it occured but that experience was enough to convince me to 
assure that the keyboard is always placed properly before i fire up any 
machine.

Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 00:41, Elizabeth Barham wrote:

> Do you use X?

Yes, but not in a way that would be particularly beneficial. For my
laptop it's pointless to use my desktop as a server, for my mail server
I really don't need a GUI and I really DO need the free space, and for
the Dreamcast I still haven't figured out how to get it to accept
outside connections for X. (Either I've been missing something painfully
obvious, or the distribution that I'm using is so heavily modified that
I can't even begin to guess where I need to start.) The only reason that
I'd have for using X remotely would be if I could somehow figure out a
way to get the Windows 2000 Advanced Server Administration Tools to
behave as X clients so I wouldn't have to boot into Windows to manage
the DC.

-Alex



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Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Elizabeth Barham]

> The only reason thata I'd have for using X remotely would be if I
> could somehow figure out a way to get the Windows 2000 Advanced
> Server Administration Tools to behave as X clients so I wouldn't
> have to boot into Windows to manage the DC.

I don't know what DC means but VNC has a (free) software product for
windows machines that allows an XServer to display a window in which
it's like you're at the windows machine.

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

Elizabeth

Re: [glynis: Re: digital camera reccomendations for debian]

[Craig Dickson]

begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  quotation:

> not often can i participate in these conversations, but i have to tell
> you, the hp photosmart 315 is damn cool!  i'm borrowing it from a
> friend, and all i had to do is plug it into the usb, mount up
> /dev/sda1, copy the jpegs off, and i was done.  wonderful!

I think the 315 has been discontinued.

Craig


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troubles with afterstep 1.8 on woody

[nate]

hello

i've been using afterstep for a long time..probably 3 years
now. on one of my machines(IBM Thinkpad T20), my afterstep
has gone sort of down hill in recent months.  Specifically,
i use afterstep 1.6 from potato(compiled on woody) and
when it loads it stalls for a REAL long time while the pager
loads. Then everything is fine. This does not occur on
2 of my other woody machines which run afterstep 1.6 as
well.

i was getting tired of it so tonight i tried working with
afterstep 1.8 and its much worse, I cannot get it to
start at all, the only thing it says is:

Detected colordepth : 16. Loading configuration

it hangs there forever.  I got it working a few times
inside Xnest, but could not get it working on the real
X server. I removed my ~/GNUstep directory to be sure it
was using a clean config, to no avail. Both 16 and 24bit
color depths are the same.

so for now im back to afterstep 1.6, which works fine
except for the significant delay when initially starting
it(the stall prevents any other things from connecting
to the X server while the pager loads).

I tried running afterstep in debug mode (--debug) but
it did not provide any more information(just that
one line).

KDE works fine ..afterstep 1.6 works fine ..my login
manager is KDM. I tried it both through KDM and through
'startx' and ~/.xinitrc ..same results everytime.

only Xnest seems to allow afterstep 1.8 to function(and
even then many times it fails with the same error)

Theres only 1 logged bug on the package which seems
totally unrelated to this.

i upgraded all my packages to the latest from woody tonight
to be sure everything was clean.

i'm really lost ..never have had afterstep do this to
me before.

any ideas are appreciated !

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

[MH]

> "ben" == ben  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

ben> On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:52 pm, Carel Fellinger wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote:
>> > On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote:
>> > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote:
>> > > [snip]
>> > >
>> > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and
>> less someone > > > who would formulate constructively his
>> criticism and suggestions ...
>> >
>> > i really really don't want you to construe this as any kind
>> of > xenophobia, but this phrase above just doesn't work in
>> english. i have no > idea what you meant to convey by this.
>> 
>> I admit, I'm no english man, but the sentence you fail to parse
>> seem clear as can be to my foreign eyes:) Or were you just
>> kidding?
>> 
>> To me it says, that we on this list have no interest in
>> ridiculing anyone, and especially not someone that formulates
>> his criticism and suggestions in a constructive way.
Thanks Carel, it's nice to have a personal translator ;-)
  
ben> no, i wasn't kidding, and thanks for the translation. perhaps
ben> it's all the more apparent to you precisely because you are
ben> not a native english speaker.

ben> that said, grammar does count in english, primarily because
ben> it lacks any basis in logic, having been derived from a broad
ben> corruption of romance (latin based; spanish, french, italian)
ben> and germanic languages (german, dutch, and all that of the
ben> scandinavian countries--except for finnish, which, by its
ben> name, desribes, at least phonetically, notice of its own
ben> imminent demise).

Thanks for the lesson (my side line is teaching this stuff in German
or Spanish, so I always welcome some fresh air). I know my English is
bad and I can bear with it. I hope you speak German, Spanish, French,
Portuguese or a bit of Russian so we easily will find a common ground
for our discussion.

ben> nonetheless, while the rules of english lack logic, those
ben> rules do, however, have significance in usage, particularly
ben> where one seeks to make a salient point based on tenuous
ben> grounds.



ben> given your translation--which by its existence justifies its
ben> necessity--i am moved to respond to the original poster that
ben> people in glass houses are well advised to not throw stones.

That's not very logical "which by it's existence justifies", when you asked
for it (a paraphrase, not a "translation")  before.

Ok the point was: It was intended as an intersection of a general
sentence "who formulates" and a personal observation (subjunctive
"if you would formulate"); you could call it a kind of "contaminatio"
rhetorically.

So it was intentional nonsense.

And obviously it didn't work out (for you at least), so I'll confine
myself to technical answers.   

Regards,

MH
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Re: Proprietry Software - The Pain!

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 06:49:10PM -0600, Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> 
> [ a rather painful option ]
> 
> Install RedHat in a chroot and run the redhat-needing app there.

...or UML:   http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/

/me catches up on three weeks of list mail, sorta.

Peace.

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pid of a script?

[ah.]

I was wondering how to find out the pid of a (bash) script.
Suppose it's called SCRIPT. Issuing pidof SCRIPT echoes nothing,
yet ps x shows the pid of it something like /bin/bash ./SCRIPT.
But then pidof "/bin/bash ./SCRIP" again does nothing. Simply
saying pidof bash gives the (probably) right result but how many
bash scripts could there be running at the same time!?

I'll tell you why I want to do this afterall (and maybe there's a
better way of doing it, please tell me) -- another script/process/program
or whatever must run exactly untill the first one finishes. I've
figured it could be done like

until [ -z `echo $(pidof some_program)` ]

If the program isn't another script, it works. Otherwise?
Thanks for the suggestions,

andrej


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Re: potato web browsers

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:05:52PM -0600, will trillich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> i know that somewhere out there someone has concocted a list of
> potato-friendly x-window-system web browsers. nice comparison
> table. relative functionality and speed. utility. bugginess.

I've reviewed browsers in general at:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html


For a lighter old system, I'd recommend:

  - w3m, lynx, or links, all text-mode.

  - BrowseX:  http://browsex.com/Features.html
A Tcl/Tk based graphical browser with support for frames, SSL,
Java/Javascript (and Tcl script :-), etc.
Not packaged for Debian, but it's just a standalone binary.

  - Dillo.  Not pretty.  But fast and light.


For non-free:

  - Older versions of Netscape.  Up through about 4.04, though the 3.x
versions are lighter and IMVAO more stable.  There are security
issues.

  - Opera.


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Re: Backup of debian

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Feb 09, 2002 at 06:05:19PM -0500, Jens Gecius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'd like to get some input on an idea I had to backup a pure debian
> system.
> 
> I like my backups on cd-r, so my current system backup eats roughly 10
> cd-r. For me, this seems a little too much, because all packages are
> available via the internet, nowadays pretty fast with dsl/cable.
> 
> So, I thought to take the information about the running system from
> the file /var/lib/dpkg/status, and just backing up those files
> deviating from the packages default-configs (the full files, no
> diffs). Additionally, /home gets backed up, perhaps some exclusions,
> but no binaries except those needed to make the cd bootable to restore
> the system via  internet. Also, it might be possible to backup any
> /usr/local stuff (which by definition is not debian). Details to be
> discussed. 
> 
> I know a restore would probably cost more time than a backup on a tape
> or a bunch of cds, but it would have the benefit of having a small
> footprint, being pretty fast and IMHO more suitable for a home
> environment.
> 
> Any ideas? Input? Help? What do you guys think might be an even better
> idea for a backup with such requirements (fast, small, home-env)?

General discussion (I'd prefer tape to CD-R), including directory
suggestions are at:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html

Peace.

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Re: Backup of debian

[John Griffiths]

>> idea for a backup with such requirements (fast, small, home-env)?
>
>General discussion (I'd prefer tape to CD-R), including directory
>suggestions are at:
>
>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html
>
>Peace.
>

Oooh I've got a story here,

One upon a time we needed to restore a backup from tape after a horrible
system failure.

the failure had taken the tape drive with it.

So we put together a new system, plugged in a new tape drive, inserted our
last backup and got...

nothing at all...

the drives (we were told by the data recovery guys) gradually degrade with
the heads physically dropping and writing lower and lower on the medium

we were doing parity checking of the backups, but the drive was still able
to read it's own work

no other drive could read the backup.

even expensive professional data recovery got us bugger all.

And thats why I backup to DVD-RAM now.

Re: garbled chars in mutt

[Michael C. Alonzo]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 10:54:52PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:23:33AM -0500, Allan M. Wind wrote:
> > On 2002-02-16 22:11:04, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> > > Use a different font for your terminal (want one with graphic
> > > characters, like the default X fixed font).
> > 
> > I switched to -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1
> > and unchecked the "Enable multibyte support" in gnome-terminal which
> > gave me back the missing non-ascii chars but the threaded overview is
> > still somewhat broke.   Am I correct in assuming that unicode and mutt
> > don't quite go along?
> 
> It may be mutt doesn't really support unicode chars, or it may be that
> the gnome-terminal doesn't really support it.  I tend to think that
> there's a good chance of gnome-terminal being the culprit, since I
> know that most GNOME programs do not handle multibyte or unicode
> characters (this is corrected with the new libes, but few apps are
> ported yet).  Could also be mutt doesn't handle the characters
> correctly as well.
> 
> You might experiment with an 8859-? encoding, since they're guaranteed
> to only be eight bit wide characters.  This stuff is a bit of a mess,
> but the future looks pretty good with UTF-8.  It'll just be a while
> 'til it's widely supported.
> 
> -- 
> Eric G. Miller 
> 

btw, im using rxvt. and enabled utf8.. i think utf-8 is the culprit. how
should i disable it?


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Re: pid of a script?

[Cameron Kerr]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, ah. wrote:

>I was wondering how to find out the pid of a (bash) script.

Use the special parameter $$ for the PID, and $PPID for the parent process
ID

man bash

Cameron Kerr
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Re: to woody from potato, some advices...

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 09:53:16AM -0200, Marcelo Chiapparini ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> after a couple of days fighting with the upgrading to woody from potato here 
> are my advices if anyone wants to do the same. The advices from this list 
> were 
> of fundamental importance!
> 
> 1) Upgrade to woody via apt

<...>

If you're running PCMCIA, skip the package upgrades here until *after*
you've read the current pcmcia-cs bug reports (#'s 133968 & 134211).

Peace.

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Re: garbled chars in mutt

[Tommi Komulainen]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:23:33AM -0500, Allan M. Wind wrote:
> On 2002-02-16 22:11:04, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> > Use a different font for your terminal (want one with graphic
> > characters, like the default X fixed font).
> 
> I switched to -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1
> and unchecked the "Enable multibyte support" in gnome-terminal which
> gave me back the missing non-ascii chars but the threaded overview is
> still somewhat broke.   Am I correct in assuming that unicode and mutt
> don't quite go along?

I would dare to claim that mutt supports unicode better than
gnome-terminal.  However, the threaded view has very little to do with
unicode, AFAIK.  The threaded view is made with normal VT100 compatible
line drawing characters, which in my experience[1] are broken in newer
gnome-terminal/libzvt2.

Last known working combination for me:

ii  libzvt21.4.1.2-11 The Gnome zvt (zterm) widget
ii  gnome-terminal 1.4.0.4-15 The Gnome terminal emulator application

The number of packages being held because of older libzvt2 is only
increasing...


Of course, you could use any other terminal that doesn't use libzvt2 
(aterm, eterm, konsole, rxvt, xterm[2], ...) Those are likely to work
better, but unfortunately lack some features I've accustomed to :-/


1. http://bugs.debian.org/129969
2. xterm even might have decent UTF-8 support, try
   xterm -u8 -fn "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1"

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Running INN on a port other than 119

[Jurgen de Wijs]

I want to combine nntpcache and inn on one machine. The nntpcache
documentation suggests to run INN on port 120 instead of 119.

When I change the "port" setting in inn.conf to 120 i get an error
message stating that INN could not use a privileged port because it
has not enough permissions.

>From a search in google i found that when you specifiy port 433 or a
port above 1023 it works.

How can I specify what users are allowed what ports in my system?

Regards,
Jurgen de Wijs - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

3c905c-TX-M hangs with much traffic

[Sebastiaan]

Hi,

I have a computer (P133) with a 3c905c bootable NIC, but it stops working
when a lot of data is received (or send). I have to ifconfig the card down
and up before it works again.

It happens when I, for example, get a huge file by FTP from another
computer on the LAN or, when running diskless, a huge amount of data is
generated over NFS.

I have it running on kernels 2.2.19 and 2.4.17, diskless and with a
harddisk attached working as rootfs. All have the same symptoms.
I use the generic 3c59x driver, which works perfectly fine on my other
computers which have a 3c509b cart.

So what is the real problem here?

Thanks in advance,
Sebastiaan



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Re: Trend VirusWall

[François]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:59:30 -0500
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> François Chenais wrote:
> > I just try to run rpm -i vmware.rpm and I have the same error.
> > 
> > error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
> > error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
> > 
> > 
> > In fact, rpm -i doesn't find the 'rpm package index !!!'
> 
> Maybe you should read /usr/share/doc/rpm/README.Debian
> 
Ok For that

> > i'm interested to know how to use rpm under debian. I try alien but the 
> > install
> > doesn't the same install than rpm so that vmware doesn't work !:-|
> 
> Beg pardon? Alien should work, and I don't understand what you're trying
> to say.
> 
Seems that a vmware config script isn't launch after install so that vmware
doesn't work !  It looks for datas in /etc/vmware/locations which are not 
set !  I tryed to run vmware-config.pl but nothing works !:-|

In fact, I think the rpm launch a config script after innstallation !


François 

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Re: 3c905c-TX-M hangs with much traffic

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Sebastiaan wrote:
> So what is the real problem here?

Kernel bug, most probably.

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Re: iptables port fowarding?

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 12:37:08AM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> How do I port forward with iptables? With ipchains the command was:
> 
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $extip $port -R $intip $port
> 

What I have in my firewall rules script built with Firewall
Builder 1.0.0 (fwbuilder) to do port forwarding is:

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s  -d 
--destination-port  -j DNAT --to-destination :

This works very good... In fact all my machines are behind the
firewall and only have what ports are forward'd in available...

Jeremy

Re: Thanks for the Pedigree's

[saradac65]

Wayne,
I am asking 500 for the pup he is also guaranteed on hips,eyes ,heart
defects,epilepsy etc. I have monday off just let me know. I got the
pedigrees thank you, very nice. Hope to here from you soon. Ed
- Original Message -
From: Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ed Kostka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 9:42 PM
Subject: Thanks for the Pedigree's


> Ed
>
>   Got them!  I will add them to my pedigree database.  BTW, I was
>   wrong, I don't have 1800 dogs in the database, I see I only have
>   1646 right now.  Your Peds will increase that number as I see a lot
>   of new names.  I will be happy to send you either html or  .doc (MS
>   Word) of these so you can make copies or send them directly from
>   your computer without having to go out to make them.
>
>   I really like what I see.  We are pondering it now.  Will keep in
>   touch and let you know.  What are you asking for the Scout pup?
>   Are you off work on Monday?  We would like to come and see you crew.
>   Have plans for tomorrow or would come then.
>
>   Hope you got the pedigree's I sent OK.
>
>   I enjoyed talking Dogs with you and look forward to many more such
>   discussions, in person.
>
>   Regards
>
>   Wayne
>


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Re: booting with no keyboard or moue

[John Hasler]

Elizabeth Barham writes:
> I don't understand how it could possibly cause hardware damage.

He means that unplugging the keyboard with the power on can cause damage.
He's right, though I have never personally seen it happen.

> The only problem is if the power goes off and you're not around; if they
> keyboard isn't plugged in when it tries to reboot, it will just hang.

Not if you've configured the BIOS properly.
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Re: iptables port fowarding?

[Vineet Kumar]

* Rick Pasotto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020216 21:40]:
> How do I port forward with iptables? With ipchains the command was:
> 
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L $extip $port -R $intip $port

Try this:

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d $extip --dport $port \
  -j DNAT --to-destination $intip

Check out the iptables manpage for more help. (try searching for DNAT).

good times,
Vineet

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Re: booting with no keyboard or moue

[John Cichy]

You might want to take a look in the bios settings, usally the advanced 
settings, I know some IBM systems offer a way to allow you to boot without 
kbd/monitor (I have 4 that allow this). 

John

On Saturday 16 February 2002 23:06, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya Mike
>
> to boot w/o kb is tricky mouse is less of an issue
>   - and yeah...cant hit F1 to continue if there is no kb
>   plugged in
>
> - if you can be there ... its easiest to just plug in the kb ...
>   reboot it... and unplug it when the kb is needed on another pc
>
> - went poking around to see why kvm switches was so expensive..
>
> - probably can use a wireless kb to aim it at the pc being rebooted??
>
> some fake kb adaptors...
>   http://www.vetra.com/Elimina2.htm
>   http://www.raritan.com/products_gdn.html
>
> http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/a01e61042c57d9778625684300572489
>?OpenDocument
>
> am just wondering... why dont we just insert a pull up or pulldown
> resistor on the transmit port  of the keyboard connector...
>
> donno if the linuxbios project allows for "keyboard-less" boots
>
> have fun
> alvin
> http://www.Linux-1U.net . how do you backup a terabyte disk system.. :-)
>
> On 16 Feb 2002, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> > "Mike Millner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Is it a function of the hardware bios or the OS to be able to boot
> > > without a keyboard or mouse? I have a Debian Potato system that is
> > > up and running. I want to be able to boot the system with no
> > > keyboard or mouse plugged in. I SSH to it when I need to check it or
> > > do anything.
> >
> > BIOS. Some BIOS' (notably the older Compaq's) halt on Boot if it can't
> > find a keyboard (but if you plug in a monitor it says something like
> > "Press F1 to Configure, F2 to continue"). To the best of my knowledge
> > this is unconfigurable for these older Compaq's.
> >
> > > If it is hardware anyone know where I can get a dummy mouse and
> > > dummy keyboard?
> >
> > I looked for these in the past and I don't recall finding anything (or
> > if I did it was above my budget). Your options are rather limited if
> > your BIOS errors with no keyboard installed:
> >
> > 1) Purchase a $5 keyboard at the store, plug it in, boot, leave
> >the keyboard plugged in and walk off.
> > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but
> >hopefully you have a UPS).
> > 3) There are little devices ($50?) that allow you to hook up
> >more than one machine to one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse -
> >you select which one you want to use with a button on the
> >device. Use it.
> >
> > I generally just go with No. 1.

python-gtk in woody

[Rick Pasotto]

Any chance of installing python-gtk in woody? It depends on 
python-base (>= 1.5) but it is not installable.

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Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[John Cichy]

You might look on ebay or something like that, I was lucky, a friend decided 
he was going to upgrade his and gave me a 6 port KVM. To help you find one 
here is the info:

BELKIN Omni View (model F1D065)

This is an AT/Serial type KVM but adaptors can be purchased for a couple of 
dollars to plug in PS/2 devices.

John

On Saturday 16 February 2002 23:22, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> Pardon me for a hideously off-topic question here, but does anyone know
> of any cheap alternatives to getting a KVM for home use? I've got 3 PC's
> tucked away under my desk, as well as a Sega Dreamcast that I connect my
> monitor and my keyboard to, and none of them care about whether they're
> started up with or without these devices or whether the devices are
> plugged in afterwards. So, for me, there's no benefit in getting a KVM
> for $500+ when I'm sure that there's a "quick and dirty" solution
> available somewhere. I've scoured the net to no avail. (I'm not an
> engineer, but how hard can it be to have a switch go from one input to 4
> outputs?)
>
> -Alex
>
> On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 22:06, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > hi ya Mike
> >
> > to boot w/o kb is tricky mouse is less of an issue
> > - and yeah...cant hit F1 to continue if there is no kb
> > plugged in
> >
> > - if you can be there ... its easiest to just plug in the kb ...
> >   reboot it... and unplug it when the kb is needed on another pc
> >
> > - went poking around to see why kvm switches was so expensive..
> >
> > - probably can use a wireless kb to aim it at the pc being rebooted??
> >
> > some fake kb adaptors...
> > http://www.vetra.com/Elimina2.htm
> > http://www.raritan.com/products_gdn.html
> >
> > http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/a01e61042c57d97786256843005724
> >89?OpenDocument
> >
> > am just wondering... why dont we just insert a pull up or pulldown
> > resistor on the transmit port  of the keyboard connector...
> >
> > donno if the linuxbios project allows for "keyboard-less" boots
> >
> > have fun
> > alvin
> > http://www.Linux-1U.net . how do you backup a terabyte disk system.. :-)
> >
> > On 16 Feb 2002, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> > > "Mike Millner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > Is it a function of the hardware bios or the OS to be able to boot
> > > > without a keyboard or mouse? I have a Debian Potato system that is
> > > > up and running. I want to be able to boot the system with no
> > > > keyboard or mouse plugged in. I SSH to it when I need to check it or
> > > > do anything.
> > >
> > > BIOS. Some BIOS' (notably the older Compaq's) halt on Boot if it can't
> > > find a keyboard (but if you plug in a monitor it says something like
> > > "Press F1 to Configure, F2 to continue"). To the best of my knowledge
> > > this is unconfigurable for these older Compaq's.
> > >
> > > > If it is hardware anyone know where I can get a dummy mouse and
> > > > dummy keyboard?
> > >
> > > I looked for these in the past and I don't recall finding anything (or
> > > if I did it was above my budget). Your options are rather limited if
> > > your BIOS errors with no keyboard installed:
> > >
> > > 1) Purchase a $5 keyboard at the store, plug it in, boot, leave
> > >the keyboard plugged in and walk off.
> > > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but
> > >hopefully you have a UPS).
> > > 3) There are little devices ($50?) that allow you to hook up
> > >more than one machine to one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse -
> > >you select which one you want to use with a button on the
> > >device. Use it.
> > >
> > > I generally just go with No. 1.
> >
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Re: postgres upgrade for dummies?

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:38:52 +0100, Andreas Goesele wrote:
> I now did a new try, again without any success. The automatic
> upgrading process first looks promising but than ends with the
> following error message:

> You are now connected to database template1 as user user.
> create database user;
> ERROR:  parser: parse error at or near "user"

"user" is a reserved word in 7.1. Either rename the database before
upgrading to 7.1, or do the upgrade by hand and edit the database, putting
double quote marks around the occurances of "user" as a database name.

> So I did read README.Debian.migration.gz and then run postgresql-dump
> with the options in the README. This is what I got:
> 
> Stopping and restarting the postmaster
> /usr/lib/postgresql/dumpall/6.5/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data  -p 5431 
> -o -d0
> Dumping the database to db.out
> process_hba_record: invalid syntax in pg_hba.conf file

Switch back to the pg_hba.conf file you used with 6.5. 7.1 has a new
authentication method "peer" which 6.5 doesn't understand and which 7.1's
default configuration employs IIRC.

HTH,
Ray
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A question about LCD flat panel displays

[stan]

I'm contemplating purchasing an LCD flat panel disply for use on the new
Debain woody workstation I am building for my wife.

Having never used one of these before, and since they are failry expensive,
I thought I would ask some advice of this list.

We do a lot of work in console mode, in addition to some work in X. Will
I be able to use all of the framebuffer functiosn on this disply? I
presently use xawtv in the console mode, fbi to display graphics, and have
a custom resolutinon set up for the console sessiosn. Will all of these 
work with the LCD flat panel?

I would also be interesetd in hearing peoples experiences, both positive,
and negative, regarding use of these uints with Linux.

Thanks, in avance.

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486SX success whit slink.

[Gerard Robin]

Hello,
Slink runs fine now on my old 486SX :hdd=89 Mb; CPU=25 Mz; RAM=16Mb 
I try to post this mail with it.
Thanks.

But I have a question off topic:
Is it possible to clean the MBR of my hard disk after that I have put
lilo into ?
(I read that it was impossible but perhaps there is a trick ...?) 
TIA
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Re: 486SX success whit slink.

[Mark Janssen]

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 16:51, Gerard Robin wrote:
> Is it possible to clean the MBR of my hard disk after that I have put
> lilo into ?
> (I read that it was impossible but perhaps there is a trick ...?) 

It's not really possible to 'clean' the MBR... But you can just install
some other MBR over it (You always need something in there, or booting
won't work.)

The MBR choices you have
debian-mbr
lilo
grub
windows/dos mbr (bad)

Take your pick :)

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Re: booting with no keyboard or moue

[Mike Millner]

Thanks to everyone who replied.

My bios doesn't have an option to boot without these devices. I'll probably
be going with the cheap keyboard and mouse option.

Thanks again,
Mike
- Original Message -
From: "John Cichy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: booting with no keyboard or moue


> You might want to take a look in the bios settings, usally the advanced
> settings, I know some IBM systems offer a way to allow you to boot without
> kbd/monitor (I have 4 that allow this).
>
> John
>
> On Saturday 16 February 2002 23:06, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > hi ya Mike
> >
> > to boot w/o kb is tricky mouse is less of an issue
> > - and yeah...cant hit F1 to continue if there is no kb
> > plugged in
> >
> > - if you can be there ... its easiest to just plug in the kb ...
> >   reboot it... and unplug it when the kb is needed on another pc
> >
> > - went poking around to see why kvm switches was so expensive..
> >
> > - probably can use a wireless kb to aim it at the pc being rebooted??
> >
> > some fake kb adaptors...
> > http://www.vetra.com/Elimina2.htm
> > http://www.raritan.com/products_gdn.html
> >
> >
http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/a01e61042c57d9778625684300572489
> >?OpenDocument
> >
> > am just wondering... why dont we just insert a pull up or pulldown
> > resistor on the transmit port  of the keyboard connector...
> >
> > donno if the linuxbios project allows for "keyboard-less" boots
> >
> > have fun
> > alvin
> > http://www.Linux-1U.net . how do you backup a terabyte disk system.. :-)
> >
> > On 16 Feb 2002, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> > > "Mike Millner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > Is it a function of the hardware bios or the OS to be able to boot
> > > > without a keyboard or mouse? I have a Debian Potato system that is
> > > > up and running. I want to be able to boot the system with no
> > > > keyboard or mouse plugged in. I SSH to it when I need to check it or
> > > > do anything.
> > >
> > > BIOS. Some BIOS' (notably the older Compaq's) halt on Boot if it can't
> > > find a keyboard (but if you plug in a monitor it says something like
> > > "Press F1 to Configure, F2 to continue"). To the best of my knowledge
> > > this is unconfigurable for these older Compaq's.
> > >
> > > > If it is hardware anyone know where I can get a dummy mouse and
> > > > dummy keyboard?
> > >
> > > I looked for these in the past and I don't recall finding anything (or
> > > if I did it was above my budget). Your options are rather limited if
> > > your BIOS errors with no keyboard installed:
> > >
> > > 1) Purchase a $5 keyboard at the store, plug it in, boot, leave
> > >the keyboard plugged in and walk off.
> > > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but
> > >hopefully you have a UPS).
> > > 3) There are little devices ($50?) that allow you to hook up
> > >more than one machine to one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse -
> > >you select which one you want to use with a button on the
> > >device. Use it.
> > >
> > > I generally just go with No. 1.
>
>
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Re: Thanks for the Pedigree's

[Wayne Topa]

> 
> Wayne,
> I am asking 500 for the pup he is also guaranteed on hips,eyes ,heart
> defects,epilepsy etc. I have monday off just let me know. I got the
> pedigrees thank you, very nice. Hope to here from you soon. Ed
> - Original Message -
> From: Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Ed Kostka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 9:42 PM
> Subject: Thanks for the Pedigree's

Sorry guys.  Looks like I messed up my muttrc file ny adding a
send-hook for debian-user.  Its been removed so no more OT replies to
me will get posted here.

My bad!!
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Re: pid of a script?

[Alex Malinovich]

I _HAD_ a great idea for this, but this solution is much more elgeant
and straightforward than mine. :) (I was going to suggest opening a FIFO
and using an EOF from it as a signal that your script completed.)

-Alex

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 04:11, Cameron Kerr wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, ah. wrote:
> 
> >I was wondering how to find out the pid of a (bash) script.
> 
> Use the special parameter $$ for the PID, and $PPID for the parent process
> ID
> 
> man bash
> 
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Re: potato web browsers

[Alex Malinovich]

Galeon should work with no problems on a Potato system. I had it running
for a couple of weeks on my desktop before I upgraded to sid. I've run
it on a P133 with 40 megs of RAM with no major problems. And Galeon is,
by far, the most superior browser I've had the pleasure of EVER using.
There are relatively recent deb's available in non-US.

-Alex

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 03:39, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:05:52PM -0600, will trillich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > i know that somewhere out there someone has concocted a list of
> > potato-friendly x-window-system web browsers. nice comparison
> > table. relative functionality and speed. utility. bugginess.
> 
> I've reviewed browsers in general at:
> 
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html
> 
> 
> For a lighter old system, I'd recommend:
> 
>   - w3m, lynx, or links, all text-mode.
> 
>   - BrowseX:  http://browsex.com/Features.html
> A Tcl/Tk based graphical browser with support for frames, SSL,
> Java/Javascript (and Tcl script :-), etc.
> Not packaged for Debian, but it's just a standalone binary.
> 
>   - Dillo.  Not pretty.  But fast and light.
> 
> 
> For non-free:
> 
>   - Older versions of Netscape.  Up through about 4.04, though the 3.x
> versions are lighter and IMVAO more stable.  There are security
> issues.
> 
>   - Opera.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
>  What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?   There is no K5 cabal
>   http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
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Re: troubles with afterstep 1.8 on woody

[Alex Malinovich]

At first glance it sounds like a video card issue. My experience with X
in general has thus far dictated that if you don't see a desktop before
the crash, it's a video problem. But that's just a vaguely educated
guess. :)

-Alex

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 01:59, nate wrote:
> hello
> 
> i've been using afterstep for a long time..probably 3 years
> now. on one of my machines(IBM Thinkpad T20), my afterstep
> has gone sort of down hill in recent months.  Specifically,
> i use afterstep 1.6 from potato(compiled on woody) and
> when it loads it stalls for a REAL long time while the pager
> loads. Then everything is fine. This does not occur on
> 2 of my other woody machines which run afterstep 1.6 as
> well.
> 
> i was getting tired of it so tonight i tried working with
> afterstep 1.8 and its much worse, I cannot get it to
> start at all, the only thing it says is:
> 
> Detected colordepth : 16. Loading configuration
> 
> it hangs there forever.  I got it working a few times
> inside Xnest, but could not get it working on the real
> X server. I removed my ~/GNUstep directory to be sure it
> was using a clean config, to no avail. Both 16 and 24bit
> color depths are the same.
> 
> so for now im back to afterstep 1.6, which works fine
> except for the significant delay when initially starting
> it(the stall prevents any other things from connecting
> to the X server while the pager loads).
> 
> I tried running afterstep in debug mode (--debug) but
> it did not provide any more information(just that
> one line).
> 
> KDE works fine ..afterstep 1.6 works fine ..my login
> manager is KDM. I tried it both through KDM and through
> 'startx' and ~/.xinitrc ..same results everytime.
> 
> only Xnest seems to allow afterstep 1.8 to function(and
> even then many times it fails with the same error)
> 
> Theres only 1 logged bug on the package which seems
> totally unrelated to this.
> 
> i upgraded all my packages to the latest from woody tonight
> to be sure everything was clean.
> 
> i'm really lost ..never have had afterstep do this to
> me before.
> 
> any ideas are appreciated !
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

[Wendell Cochran]

Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100
Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :

> > > > and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone 
> > > > who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ...

>> i really really don't want you to construe this as any kind of xenophobia, 
>> but this phrase above just doesn't work in english. i have no idea what you 
>> meant to convey by this.

> I admit, I'm no english man, but the sentence you fail to parse seem
> clear as can be to my foreign eyes:)  Or were you just kidding?

> To me it says, that we on this list have no interest in ridiculing
> anyone, and especially not someone that formulates his criticism and
> suggestions in a constructive way.

As an editor I spend my life trying to understand what a writer is
trying to say.  (That includes writers whose first language is not
English.)

Despite decades of practice, the lines marked  defeated me.  They
still
do.

Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Alex Malinovich]

WOW! This is EXACTLY what I have been looking for! I can't thank you
enough! Thanks!!! :)

-Alex

p.s. DC = Domain Controller

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 01:23, Elizabeth Barham wrote:
> > The only reason thata I'd have for using X remotely would be if I
> > could somehow figure out a way to get the Windows 2000 Advanced
> > Server Administration Tools to behave as X clients so I wouldn't
> > have to boot into Windows to manage the DC.
> 
> I don't know what DC means but VNC has a (free) software product for
> windows machines that allows an XServer to display a window in which
> it's like you're at the windows machine.
> 
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
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Re: ppp problems with strange log diagnostics

[Wendell Cochran]

Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:24:26 -0600
From: Gary Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 
[BIG SNIP]
>>> Noise on the line could also explain the "Modem hangup" errors.
 
>>This diagnostic is very convincing to me since this is 
>>compatible with the very chaotic behaviour of my connection.
>>(Similarly, when I phone abroad, I can sometimes hardly 
>>understand what is said whereas the link is sometimes very clear.) . . .

>. . .  Unless the
>source is *indeed* on your side of the box, stay on the phone co.'s
>butt.  In the meantime, reset your connection speed lower.  Lower speeds
>are less susceptible to noise interference.  Even if that helps big
>time, don't let the phone co. off the hook.


In the early 1990s a similar thread continued until the victim
reported new evidence: trouble began precisely when his fridge
kicked in . . . .

A question about LCD flat panel displays

[stan]

I'm contemplating purchasing an LCD flat panel disply for use on the new
Debain woody workstation I am building for my wife.

Having never used one of these before, and since they are failry expensive,
I thought I would ask some advice of this list.

We do a lot of work in console mode, in addition to some work in X. Will
I be able to use all of the framebuffer functiosn on this disply? I
presently use xawtv in the console mode, fbi to display graphics, and have
a custom resolutinon set up for the console sessiosn. Will all of these 
work with the LCD flat panel?

I would also be interesetd in hearing peoples experiences, both positive,
and negative, regarding use of these uints with Linux.

Thanks, in avance.

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neither liberty nor safety."
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Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Alex Malinovich]

Hadn't noticed any major network usage. Then again, I have a dedicated
100base line running from my desktop to the DC so it's not really an
issue. :) Can I expect any real improvements for this type of a setting?

-Alex

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 10:08, Jeff J. wrote:
> Not sure if you have noticed how "bandwidth intensive" the regular VNC
> release is yet, but its almost nasty, heh.. Check out
> http://www.tightvnc.com  Its a variant of the same thing.  I used to use
> VNC, but switched to TightVNC because its much more efficient at managing
> bandwidth.  Just something you might want to look at.
> 
> Jeff J.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Malinovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Elizabeth Barham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)

[Jeff J.]

Okay, it may not make a difference (I think it may have some other features
as well..check the site). I am an efficiency  nut nonetheless :-)

Jeff J.

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From: "Alex Malinovich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Cc: "Jeff J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:12 AM
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Re: Trend VirusWall

[Joey Hess]

François Chenais wrote:
> Seems that a vmware config script isn't launch after install so that vmware
> doesn't work !  It looks for datas in /etc/vmware/locations which are not 
> set !  I tryed to run vmware-config.pl but nothing works !:-|
> 
> In fact, I think the rpm launch a config script after innstallation !

>From alien's man page:

   -c, --scripts
   Try to convert the scripts that are meant to be run
   when the package is installed and removed. Use this
   with caution, becuase these scripts might be designed
   to work on a system unlike your own, and could cause
   problems. It is recommended that you examine the
   scripts by hand and check to see what they do before
   using this option.

-- 
see shy jo

Re: Proprietry Software - The Pain!

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:28:46AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
...
> ...or UML:   http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/
> 
> /me catches up on three weeks of list mail, sorta.

Welcome back.

Have you used it?  Is it as easy as setting up chroot environment?

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Potato -> Woody

[Alex Malinovich]

I've been seeing a lot of discussions in various places about a rocky
Potato -> Woody upgrade path. I've upgraded 3 systems from Potato to
Woody (and subsequently upgraded 2 of those to sid) and have yet to have
any major problem. Using the precompiled 2.4.14 kernel made one of my
systems unbootable, but that was easily remedied by booting from my
Potato CD and recompiling a new kernel by hand. Is there some nasty
surprise waiting in the rafters to pounce on me when I least expect it,
or have I just apparently been lucky?

-Alex




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Re: Proprietry Software - The Pain!

[John]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:28:46AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 06:49:10PM -0600, Nathan E Norman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > 
> > [ a rather painful option ]
> > 
> > Install RedHat in a chroot and run the redhat-needing app there.
> 
> ...or UML:   http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/
> 
> /me catches up on three weeks of list mail, sorta.

Good to have you back.  There's been no line wrapping, people using
html, and and they've been doing redhat-speak.  Not to mention the
postfix thingy.

:)

John

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Re: garbled chars in mutt

[dman]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:30:13PM +0800, Michael C. Alonzo wrote:
| i have mutt sort my mails by threads, the arrow (--->) now appears
| to be garbled(squares, unknown chars)... what should i do?

Some comments and observations :

gnome-terminal (in fact, GTK+ itself (ver. 1.2)) doesn't support
multi-byte characters (Unicode, UTF-8, etc)

gnome-terminal (often times with my setup, at least) doesn't
support the "line-drawing" characters in the upper range of
ISO-8859-1 (or whatever (standard/common) charset it is)

mutt can use the line drawing characters (nicer) or it can revert
to similar characters from the US-ASCII charset

linux console can display the line drawing characters quite well

If it looks find in linux console, then for use in gnome-terminal set
ascii_chars
in your .muttrc.

-D

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Re: python-gtk in woody

[dman]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 08:36:37AM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote:
| Any chance of installing python-gtk in woody? It depends on 
| python-base (>= 1.5) but it is not installable.
 
A snippet of 'apt-cache show python-gtk' :

Version: 0.6.8-14
Depends: python (>= 2.1), python (<< 2.2)

The current versions of python-gtk are for python 2.1, not 1.5.2.

-D

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and will share the inheritance as one of the brothers.
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Re: python-gtk in woody

[Rick Pasotto]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 11:55:42AM -0500, dman wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 08:36:37AM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote:
> | Any chance of installing python-gtk in woody? It depends on 
> | python-base (>= 1.5) but it is not installable.
>  
> A snippet of 'apt-cache show python-gtk' :
> 
> Version: 0.6.8-14
> Depends: python (>= 2.1), python (<< 2.2)
> 
> The current versions of python-gtk are for python 2.1, not 1.5.2.

I did an 'apt-get update' this morning (pointing to woody).

'apt-get install python-gtk' gives the error message I quoted.

Why do 'apt-get install' and 'apt-cache show' give different results?

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Re: spamassassin. CAREFUL ON UPGRADE

[David Roundy]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 09:01:52PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:07:49 -0800, Cam Ellison wrote:
> 
> See auto-fill in help.  My .emacs file contains:
> 
> (add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
> 
> "M-x auto-fill" toggles in and out of the mode.  You can specify the
> number of columns to wrap at or accept the default. I think the default
> is 72 columns, but help can tell you more. Or, you can look at the
> source.

Just so you know, you can also use M-q to rewrap a paragraph, or to wrap
one if you don't have auto-fill=mode on.
-- 
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http://civet.berkeley.edu/droundy/

Re: postgres upgrade for dummies?

[Oliver Elphick]

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 14:20, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:38:52 +0100, Andreas Goesele wrote:
> > So I did read README.Debian.migration.gz and then run postgresql-dump
> > with the options in the README. This is what I got:
> > 
> > Stopping and restarting the postmaster
> > /usr/lib/postgresql/dumpall/6.5/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgres/data  -p 
> > 5431 -o -d0
> > Dumping the database to db.out
> > process_hba_record: invalid syntax in pg_hba.conf file
> 
> Switch back to the pg_hba.conf file you used with 6.5. 7.1 has a new
> authentication method "peer" which 6.5 doesn't understand and which 7.1's
> default configuration employs IIRC.


This particular issue will go away in 7.2.  The peer authentication
method (checking ownership of a Unix socket connection) has been adopted
upstream but is now called ident, although its method of operation is
actually different from TCP/IP ident authentication.

So, in 7.2, "peer" will again be invalid.

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  sorrows; yet we considered him stricken by God,
  smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for
  our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities;
  the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and
  by his wounds we are healed."Isaiah 53:4,5 

Re: python-gtk in woody

[dman]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 12:00:18PM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote:
| On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 11:55:42AM -0500, dman wrote:
| > On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 08:36:37AM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote:
| > | Any chance of installing python-gtk in woody? It depends on 
| > | python-base (>= 1.5) but it is not installable.
| >  
| > A snippet of 'apt-cache show python-gtk' :
| > 
| > Version: 0.6.8-14
| > Depends: python (>= 2.1), python (<< 2.2)
| > 
| > The current versions of python-gtk are for python 2.1, not 1.5.2.
| 
| I did an 'apt-get update' this morning (pointing to woody).
| 
| 'apt-get install python-gtk' gives the error message I quoted.
| 
| Why do 'apt-get install' and 'apt-cache show' give different results?

'apt-cache show' will show the details of all the available versions.
If you just want to see which versions are available and what you've
set your preferences to, try 'apt-cache policy'.  Perhaps you've set
potato at a higher priority than woody, thus you're (unintentionally)
trying to install the potato version.

-D

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Re: Help with Expect & Xterm

[darrell dupas]

so the last attempt was a learning process, if you tried it you may have 
had *very* hit and miss success, plus general weirdness, the script i 
have attached is a little better, i woke up this morning thinking, hmm, 
i should not learn at other peoples expence and perhaps i should give a 
second effort, it was late after all, so, here is an expect script that 
opens 3 xterms, runs telnets, and exits, while leaving the telnets open 
-  xterm -e would have been easier :)



darrrell dupas
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#!/usr/bin/expect --
# try this

proc open_xterm {} {
   global xterm_spawnid
   global shell
   spawn -pty
   stty raw -echo < $spawn_out(slave,name)
   regexp ".*(.)(.)" $spawn_out(slave,name) dummy c1 c2
   if {[string compare $c1 "/"] == 0} {
   set c1 "0"
   }
   exec xterm -S$c1$c2$spawn_out(slave,fd) &
   close -slave
   set xterm_spawnid $spawn_id
   set xterm_pty $spawn_out(slave,name)
   expect "\n"
   spawn "$shell"
}

#open_telnet procedure is dependant on xterm_spawnid -- should do a check

proc open_telnet { hostname loginname password } {
global xterm_spawnid
#spawn "telnet"
spawn "telnet"
set telnet_spawnid $spawn_id
expect "telnet>"
send -s "open $hostname\r"
   expect {
   "login:" { send -s "$loginname\r" }  
   }

   expect {
   "assword:" { send -s "$password\r" }
   }
interact -u xterm_spawnid
}


set send_slow { 1 .001 }
set prompt "(%|#|\\\$)"
set shell $env(SHELL)
set xterm_spawnid 0


set fork_pid [fork]
if { $fork_pid == 0 } {
   disconnect
   open_xterm
   open_telnet localhost mp3 mp3
} else {
   set fork_pid [fork]
   if { $fork_pid == 0 } {
   disconnect
   open_xterm
   open_telnet localhost ddupas lighter
   } else {
   set fork_pid [fork]
   if { $fork_pid == 0 } {
   disconnect
   open_xterm
   open_telnet localhost bad bad
   }
   }
}


exit

Re: potato web browsers

[will trillich]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 09:35:01AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> Galeon should work with no problems on a Potato system. I had it running
> for a couple of weeks on my desktop before I upgraded to sid. I've run
> it on a P133 with 40 megs of RAM with no major problems. And Galeon is,
> by far, the most superior browser I've had the pleasure of EVER using.
> There are relatively recent deb's available in non-US.

what's the potato-friendly way to get galeon installed? i've got
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib 
non-free
(one line) in my sources.list but of course galeon ain't there...

i could download rpm's, but that's not debianistic.

> On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 03:39, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:05:52PM -0600, will trillich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> > wrote:
> > > i know that somewhere out there someone has concocted a list of
> > > potato-friendly x-window-system web browsers. nice comparison
> > > table. relative functionality and speed. utility. bugginess.
> > 
> > I've reviewed browsers in general at:
> > 
> > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html

nice compendium there! good to see objective (cough) evaluation,
too: in case everyone else hasn't read karsten's reviews, here's
a summary--

- galeon rules
- others don't

:)

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So you've decided to BLOCK ALL TRAFFIC EXCEPT SSH.  What you
need to do is specify the port to allow.  ssh uses port 22 by
default -- With iptables try:
iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport ssh -j ACCEPT
This says that in the input chain, for tcp packets, if the port
number matches ssh in /etc/services then accept the packet
regardless of IP addresses.  (This should give you a pointer
towards the necessary ipchains options if you don't have
iptables available.)

Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...

Re: Potato -> Woody

[Osamu Aoki]

I call Debian guilty of 2 counts :-)

  1) Too easy user interface for the upgrade and maintenance.
  2) Too stable for "testing" distribution.

Read on to find out why:

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 10:20:04AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> I've been seeing a lot of discussions in various places about a rocky
> Potato -> Woody upgrade path. I've upgraded 3 systems from Potato to
> Woody (and subsequently upgraded 2 of those to sid) and have yet to have
> any major problem. `
Same here.  

I use half mixture of sid and woody using /etc/apt/preferences just to
be on safe side.  I remember it was tough about a year ago, when lilo,
libc6, ... etc. broke system.  No thrill at all running testing :)

> Using the precompiled 2.4.14 kernel made one of my systems unbootable,
> but that was easily remedied by booting from my Potato CD and
> recompiling a new kernel by hand. 

This is typical skill level people needs to run testing confidently.
Good for you.  Just because it is so easy to do "apt-get dist-upgrade",
too many newbies tend to upgrade Debian to unstable without realizing
dangers involved, that is the problem.

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ftp and telnet between computers

[Cheryl Homiak]

I am working on a computer for friends and want to be able to login to it
once they take it home so i can fix things at a distance if they have a
problem. I haven't found a howto that covers this, but if there is one
please steer me to it and I will read it.
My questions involve:
1. differences between telnet and ftp servers--right now I have ftpd and
telnetd-ssl installed on both boxes.
2. ip address to use: I have a cable connection to the Internet so only
have one ethernet ip listed but the other box is on a ppp connection and
two ips are given when running ipconfig.
(3) Other things I need to do to make these connections work between
boxes.
Tia.

-- 
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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Patrick Kirk]

>1. differences between telnet and ftp servers--right now I have ftpd and
>telnetd-ssl installed on both boxes.
Telnet is th espawn of Satan - use ssh to communicate.
ftp stands for file transfer program.  ITs a program for transferring files.

>2. ip address to use: I have a cable connection to the Internet so only
>have one ethernet ip listed but the other box is on a ppp connection and
>two ips are given when running ipconfig.
www.dhis.org - register names for each box and just connect to those names when 
you're online.  apt-get install dhis gets the binary...

>(3) Other things I need to do to make these connections work between
>boxes.

None.
>Tia.
>
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Re: cdrecord can't find scsi modules

[James Hughes]

Adam Majer wrote:


On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 09:27:08PM -0500, James Hughes wrote:


Kernel command line:

Shouldn't the value of append show up there?

My next course of action, (and I'm running out of courses [:)] , is to 
recompile the kernel without IDE/ATAPI support. Any other ideas?




YEs, I have:

Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=2.4.17 ro root=303 hdd=ide-scsi devfs=nomount

Have you rerun lilo? Just making sure it's not a stupid mistake...

- Adam


Well, recompiling the kernel without ide/atapi support did the trick. 
And adding hdb=ide-scsi (as well as hdc=ide-sci) to the kernel command 
line. And moving the /dev/cdrom simlink to /dev/scd8. Also, linking 
/dev/cdrw to scd0 and adjusting fstab accordingly. I don't know if all 
these steps are strictly necessary but that's the way things landed when 
I finally got it working, so I ain't touching it... :)


FWIW, my experience would seem to indicate that the information in 
README.ATAPI that states you can have both scsi emulation and ide/atapi 
support concurrently would appear to be erroneous.


Thanks all,
James

Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Sebastiaan]

High,
On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> I am working on a computer for friends and want to be able to login to it
> once they take it home so i can fix things at a distance if they have a
> problem. I haven't found a howto that covers this, but if there is one
> please steer me to it and I will read it.
> My questions involve:
> 1. differences between telnet and ftp servers--right now I have ftpd and
> telnetd-ssl installed on both boxes.
Ok, first: forget telnetd; use telnet only on a local trusted lan. Install
sshd instead. So:
apt-get install ssh2

will install the ssh server. To log in, use:
ssh -l cheryl to.the.computer.com


ftp is used for filetransfers, while ssh (and telnet) is just a remote
shell. Also here, ftp is unsafe because it uses no encryption. So avoid it
if you do not really need it. And, as far as I can remember, it is also
possible to copy files with ssh.

And do not try to login as root remotely. It is unsafe and the default
settings for ssh is not to permit root logins. Just login as a normal user
and 'su' to root.


> 2. ip address to use: I have a cable connection to the Internet so only
> have one ethernet ip listed but the other box is on a ppp connection and
> two ips are given when running ipconfig.
Fairly simple: just try both, and see which works :-). And you have to be
sure that it's ip address is static, or you will try to connect to the
wrong computer.

> (3) Other things I need to do to make these connections work between
> boxes.

Greetz,
Sebastiaan


> Tia.
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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Cheryl!

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I am working on a computer for friends and want to be able to login to it
> once they take it home so i can fix things at a distance if they have a
> problem. I haven't found a howto that covers this, but if there is one
> please steer me to it and I will read it.
> My questions involve:
> 1. differences between telnet and ftp servers--right now I have ftpd and
> telnetd-ssl installed on both boxes.

telnet will give you a shell on the remote machine while ftp is for file
transfer. but don't use telnet or telnet-ssl if you have ssh (secure
shell) which offers the same functionality as telnet but through an
encrypted connection

> 2. ip address to use: I have a cable connection to the Internet so only
> have one ethernet ip listed but the other box is on a ppp connection and
> two ips are given when running ipconfig.

there was a thread here a few weeks ago covering that. i think the
solution was that the one with the ppp connection creates an ssh tunnel to
the fixed ip address providing port forwarding 

something like

ssh -C  -f -L ::

and then you can ssh/telnet from the fixed ip address machine to
localhost:

you better look for the thread, i might be wrong.

> (3) Other things I need to do to make these connections work between
> boxes.

well, hopefully already answered

yours martin
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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[dman]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 12:37:53PM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
| I am working on a computer for friends and want to be able to login to it
| once they take it home so i can fix things at a distance if they have a
| problem. I haven't found a howto that covers this, but if there is one
| please steer me to it and I will read it.
| My questions involve:
| 1. differences between telnet and ftp servers--right now I have ftpd and
| telnetd-ssl installed on both boxes.

People have already suggested ssh.

| 2. ip address to use: I have a cable connection to the Internet so only
| have one ethernet ip listed but the other box is on a ppp connection and
| two ips are given when running ipconfig.

Install the 'ddt-client' package and register a name at www.ddts.net.
Then, whenever you connect to the internet, the client daemon will
notify the server of your IP address.  The server will then make a DNS
A record for your name that points to your address.  The next time you
connect (and likely get a different IP) the name will point to the new
IP.  For an example, check out my host name -- dman.ddts.net.

-D

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Re: garbled chars in mutt

[Allan M. Wind]

On 2002-02-17 11:52:52, dman wrote:
> mutt can use the line drawing characters (nicer) or it can revert
> to similar characters from the US-ASCII charset

~/.muttrc: set ascii_chars = yes


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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Cheryl Homiak]

Thanks for the info. Actually, I worded it poorly; of course i know the
difference between ftpd and telnetd; I meant the difference between
different server packages in these two categories. At least for ftp
servers, there are several.
I guess it's time to learn about communicating with ssh.

-- 
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Re: postgres upgrade for dummies?

[Andreas Goesele]

"J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Switch back to the pg_hba.conf file you used with 6.5. 7.1 has a new
> authentication method "peer" which 6.5 doesn't understand and which 7.1's
> default configuration employs IIRC.

This helped. Thanks. But now I have a new problem: The encoding of my
database is latin1. During the upgrade with "postgresql-dump -t db.out
-dcivlp $PGDATA/../data.save" the screen dump looked fine (all umlauts
were correctly displayed). But now instead of the umlauts I have some
strange combination of letters and signs. My name becomes for instance
G(Hlaele.

Listing the databases with \l shows the correct encoding LATIN1 and
also the ordering as according to the German rules.

Any solution to that?

Thanks again!

Andreas Goesele

Re: A question about LCD flat panel displays

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* stan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> I'm contemplating purchasing an LCD flat panel disply for use on the new
> Debain woody workstation I am building for my wife.

ITYM TFT.

> Having never used one of these before, and since they are failry expensive,
> I thought I would ask some advice of this list.
> 
> We do a lot of work in console mode, in addition to some work in X. Will
> I be able to use all of the framebuffer functiosn on this disply? I
> presently use xawtv in the console mode, fbi to display graphics, and have
> a custom resolutinon set up for the console sessiosn. Will all of these 
> work with the LCD flat panel?

I have a 15" and 17" TFTs at work. For me 15" is not enough scren real 
estate to use X, so that box runs in 1024x768 framebuffer console. The
only problem with that is that it's noticeably slow in high-colour
(> 256) modes; on 256-colour framebuffer fbi fails to render high-colour 
images (but this has nothing to do with the screen being TFT).

17" works fine with KDE and true type fonts (anti-aliasing helps a bit,
too). All TFT screens I've seen come with EDID, so X v.4 works on them 
automagically.

Dima
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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Mario Vukelic]

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 19:37, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I am working on a computer for friends and want to be able to login to it
> once they take it home so i can fix things at a distance if they have a
> problem. I haven't found a howto that covers this, but if there is one
> please steer me to it and I will read it.
> My questions involve:
> 1. differences between telnet and ftp servers--right now I have ftpd and
> telnetd-ssl installed on both boxes.

You want neither installed on your friends' box. ftp servers are
notoriously unsafe, and if you don't want to explicitly run a ftp server
you don't want ftpd running. If you do you really want to monitor that
box for security closely. telnetd-ssl does encrypted communication. I
don't know anything about it, but I'd bet what you want is ssh instead
(OpenSSH, not the one in non-free). It does what telnet does and you can
also transfer files securely with scp and sftp. You can easily foward X
over an ssh tunnel (although it's probably no fun over a high-latency
link, i.e., internet). And all this is done through a encrypted, secure
connection. You can authenticate with passwords and/or public and
private keys.
You get 3 levels of security:
1.) You firewall off you friend computer, and leave the ssh port open,
but only for the IP you will be connecting from
2.) You set access rights for TCP Wrappers using /etc/hosts.deny and
hosts.allow
3.) You authenticate in encrypted fashion to ssh and all subsequent
communication is encrypted, too

Note that X-forwarding is turned off by default in Debian (but can
easily be turned on in /etc/ssh/)

Go to the lists archives at lists.debian.org and search for ssh or Open
SSH. You will find plenty of discussions on configuring and running it.
Read ssh related stuff especially here
http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/ 
and also here http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Remote-X-Apps.html 
A Google search on OpenSSH returns a lot, too 

> 2. ip address to use: I have a cable connection to the Internet so only
> have one ethernet ip listed but the other box is on a ppp connection and
> two ips are given when running ipconfig.
> (3) Other things I need to do to make these connections work between
> boxes.

Since you will not be able to cempletely shut down outside access on the
friends' box (you want to access it after all) you should be comfortable
with configuring a firewall. There are GUI tools like firestarter (for
Gnome). Also be sure to understand TCP Wrappers and other basic security
stuff. Consider Bastille or other security tools.

Does the remote (friends') box have a dynamically assigned IP (probably,
when it's on PPP)? Then you need a way to find out the current IP when
you want to log in. I.e., you call your friends and you want them to
know how to get it. Also, is your box's IP dynamically assigned? Then
you'll probably need to allow access for the whole pool of IPs it may be
chosen from at the remote host (firewall and hosts.allow).
Alternatively, you can maybe provide a way (simple script) for your
friends to set those based on the current IP

Lots of fun, M.
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Re: hdis: was; ftp and telnet between computers

[Cheryl Homiak]

Well, actually, apt-get install dhis didn't get me anything. Neither did a
package search at www.debian.org; neither did a search of my
/var/lib/dpkg/availble file.
The website, however, does exist!

-- 
Cheryl

Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:09:03PM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Actually, I worded it poorly; of course i know the
> difference between ftpd and telnetd; I meant the difference between
> different server packages in these two categories. At least for ftp
> servers, there are several.
For ssh use package name "ssh" (openSSH version).

For ftp, use wu-ftp or pro-ftp if you do not know too much like me.
There is more users for these.  But merely transferring files, there is
a command called "scp" in ssh package.

Oh, just in case if you want windows machine communicating, look into
"putty" for ssh client.

Last but not least, if you are within safer environment, think about
NSF.  

Osamu

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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Mario Vukelic]

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 20:14, Mario Vukelic wrote:

Correcting myself, oh well

> Does the remote (friends') box have a dynamically assigned IP (probably,
> when it's on PPP)? Then you need a way to find out the current IP when
> you want to log in. I.e., you call your friends and you want them to
> know how to get it. Also, is your box's IP dynamically assigned? Then
> you'll probably need to allow access for the whole pool of IPs it may be
> chosen from at the remote host (firewall and hosts.allow).
> Alternatively, you can maybe provide a way (simple script) for your
> friends to set those based on the current IP

Forget that, people have suggested ddt-client and www.dhis.org. 
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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Osamu!

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> For ssh use package name "ssh" (openSSH version).
> 
> For ftp, use wu-ftp or pro-ftp if you do not know too much like me.
> There is more users for these.  But merely transferring files, there is
> a command called "scp" in ssh package.
 
and even sftp which works as a command line ftp program but uses the ssh
tunnel 

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slrn + slrnpull

[Ian Balchin]

Hi,

I installed slrn and slrnpull for offline mail reading. There is no
way that the default installation works even when debconf has asked
all the relevant questions. Sorry for the bitch, but a whole Sunday
has evaporated. An install for a dialup offline newsreader should be
something that the install program can handle without manual
tinkering being needed later.

(I am running potatoe in console mode on P120 m/c)

The primary problem is that I cannot get the subscribed groups up in
slrn.

Whether I run $ slrn --spool or plain $ slrn (must be online) only
the default groups are shown

I have downloaded a full list of groups as groups.dat thus:

$ slrn -nntp -h news.imaginet.co.za -a -f groups.dat -create

There is a .newsrc file which is essentially the same as the
groups.dat and is 155 bytes less.

The documentation refers to .slnrc (and the /slrnpull/README.Debian
gives slrnrc with no dot) but slrn.rc is what we have. This has had
all the appropriate additions. 

set spool_inn_root  "/var/spool/slrnpull"
set spool_root  "/var/spool/slrnpull/news"
set spool_nov_root  "/var/spool/slrnpull/news"
set read_active 1
set use_slrnpull 1
set server_object "spool"
set write_newsrc_flags 0
hostname "news.imaginet.co.za"
username "inksi"

Why the last two lines I am not sure, since the former is given in
the file /etc/news/server , and the last seems superfluous since I
am already logged into my isp via ppp connection.

Also I query why the set write_newsrc_flags line should have to be
manually put in when one has gone thru the debconf process as part
of the installation. In fact why should any of this have to be added
by hand?

I have edited my groups into slrnpull.conf and also twice put the
same groups into jnews.rc which is however turned back automagically
to show the default installation groups with mine gone whoknowswhere.

I can so far only read on-line.

It is obvious that the subdirectories to /var/spool/slrnpull/news
are not created to store the posts.  There was no reference anywhere
to changing permissions so have not attempted this.

I have read the faqs etc etc and played about ineffectually for the
whole of today with no success.

For an offline news reader I expect to be able to mark headers while
offline that I can then download on my next dialup, but I do not see
how this is achieved. I have managed to read but only when online,
and those posts, groups, & headers, that I have read are not
retained.

I have run slrnpull on its own but since it is in /usr/sbin it is
not on the path and I conclude that it is meant to be integrated into
the slrn program and not run seperately. I followed the instructions
in /usr/share/doc/slrnpull/QUICK_INSTALL to no avail.

Any broad help guidelines would be appreciated. Something has gone
wrong and only the thought of all the hours spent playing around has
prevented me from uninstalling the whole thing.

Yours in need
Ian

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Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Cheryl Homiak]

Thanks to everybody for warning me about the dangers of telnet and ftp; I
did sort of know this, but wasn't sure what to do about it.



-- 
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Problem with postfix relaying

[Jor-el]

Hi,

In my current setup, my MUA talks directly to the smtp server of
my ISP to send mail. I wanted to change that to where it would send mail
to an smtp server running on my machine (postfix) which would then relay
it to my ISP's smtp server. Unfortunately, for some reason, postfix seems
to be talking to another smtp server. Here are the relevant entries in
main.cf :

program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix
myhostname = trillian.megadodo.umb
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
myorigin = /etc/mailname
mydestination = trillian.megadodo.umb, localhost.localdomain
relayhost = smtp-server.austin.rr.com
mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_size_limit = 0
#recipient_delimiter = +
sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender.map

According to the above config, I would expect postfix to talk to
smtp-server.austin.rr.com . However, the tcpdump traces I have been
running show that it has been talking to texlog.texas.rr.com - which
promptly bounces my mail saying - "Relaying denied". What am I doing
wrong?

Thanks,
Jor-el

Re: Problem with postfix relaying

[Sebastiaan]

High,

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Jor-el wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   In my current setup, my MUA talks directly to the smtp server of
> my ISP to send mail. I wanted to change that to where it would send mail
> to an smtp server running on my machine (postfix) which would then relay
> it to my ISP's smtp server. Unfortunately, for some reason, postfix seems
> to be talking to another smtp server. Here are the relevant entries in
> main.cf :
>
> program_directory = /usr/lib/postfix
> myhostname = trillian.megadodo.umb
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
> myorigin = /etc/mailname
> mydestination = trillian.megadodo.umb, localhost.localdomain
> relayhost = smtp-server.austin.rr.com
I have brackets around this in my main.cf. I do not know if this is your
problem, but this line is all I needed to do:

relayhost = [my.isp.mail.server.com]

> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
> mailbox_size_limit = 0
> #recipient_delimiter = +
> sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender.map
>
>   According to the above config, I would expect postfix to talk to
> smtp-server.austin.rr.com . However, the tcpdump traces I have been
> running show that it has been talking to texlog.texas.rr.com - which
> promptly bounces my mail saying - "Relaying denied". What am I doing
> wrong?
>
Greetz,
Sebastiaan

Re: ftp and telnet between computers

[Mario Vukelic]

On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 20:26, Martin Wuertele wrote:

> and even sftp which works as a command line ftp program but uses the ssh
> tunnel 

I believe gftp (ftp client for gtk) also supports sftp
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D-Link DWL-520 Wireless?

[Norman Walsh]

Does anyone know if there are drivers for the D-Link DWL-520 Wireless
PCI Adapter? A quick Google didn't turn up anything useful...alas.

Be seeing you,
  norm

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potato version of galeon?

[will trillich]

what's the potato-friendly way to get galeon installed?
(basically same inquiry as before, but with a more pertinent
subject line and a bit more elaboration on the details:)

i've got potato(stable) set up including

deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib 
non-free

(all one line) in my /etc/apt/sources.list but of course galeon
ain't there... ("dpkg -S" and "apt-cache search" both come up
empty when looking for "galeon".)

i could download galeon rpm's, but goes against the debianistic grain.

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(It spawns another shell, and displays everything so you can
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time.) Then "pager file-*transcript*" to review it. Or email it.
Or edit it for inclusion in a manual you're writing.

Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...

Help! I have deleted my "startx"-File!

[Andreas Maresch]

Hi!

Today I have made a _BIG_, thumb newbie-error: I have deleted my "startx" -file!
I have potato 2.2.19pre9 with kde 2.0.1, no modifications.
My X-server is XF86_SVGA.

Is there a fast method to regain the deleted file?
Or can anybody post it for me?

Thank you in advance

Andreas

PS: Please don't bash me for my stupidity! I already suffer extremly! =8-Q

screen real estate [was Re: A question about LCD flat panel displays]

[Hans Ekbrand]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:13:11PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> I have a 15" and 17" TFTs at work. For me 15" is not enough scren real 
> estate to use X, so that box runs in 1024x768 framebuffer console. The
> only problem with that is that it's noticeably slow in high-colour
> (> 256) modes; on 256-colour framebuffer fbi fails to render high-colour 
> images (but this has nothing to do with the screen being TFT).

How does using framebuffer console give you more screen real estate than
under X? A good window manager could give you borderless windows, so
where does that screen real estate really go? Wouldn't using X give you
more fonts to choose from, and higher speed?


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Re: error during testing upgrade destroyed partition

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 10:21:04PM +0100, Harald Schmid wrote:
> Hi debian developpers,

Well, this should have been to debian-user@lists.debian.org
Let's move to there.  (Sounds like pcmcia-cs issues discussed in
debian-user@lists.debian.org recently.)

> during an upgrade of testing I had kernel panic which completely destroyed 
> the partition (I can mount it and read some things, but not fsck it) .
> I think the last messages before the panic on the screen came from the 
> pcmcia packages (I am using a laptop). Is there a log of the apt upgrade 
> (I did it with aptitude) on the destroyed partition ?

Wow, but is this true?  Maybe all you had was an unbootable system.  Did
you use rescue disk to mount the hardisk?

Read the current pcmcia-cs bug reports (#'s 133968 & 134211).

> I am using kernel 2.4.5 and woody with regularly upgrades.

Kind of old.  2.4.17 is latest kernel-image

> I copied the whole system to another partition a few days ago but 
> everything, including the first upgrades worked as usual.

> P.S. Please cc me, because I am currently not subscribed to debian-devel
> P.S.2 I am sorry for perhaps being in the wrong list, but I thought this 
> could be of interrest for you.
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Re: potato web browsers

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Sunday, February 17, will trillich did write:

> On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 09:35:01AM -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> > Galeon should work with no problems on a Potato system. I had it running
> > for a couple of weeks on my desktop before I upgraded to sid. I've run
> > it on a P133 with 40 megs of RAM with no major problems. And Galeon is,
> > by far, the most superior browser I've had the pleasure of EVER using.
> > There are relatively recent deb's available in non-US.
> 
> what's the potato-friendly way to get galeon installed? i've got

Ximian's got packages for galeon (plus lots of other Gnome stuff).

For sources.list:
deb http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian stable main

Note that Ximian does have later versions of packages which appear in
potato.  As a result, it's possible that things may break.  I've not had
any problems, but I don't use GNOME all that heavily.

Richard

libmng dependency tangle

[Rich Johnson]

I tried installing mozilla with disastrous results.  It refused to
install because of the libmng dependency shown below.   Now KDE refuses
to start up due to

Why won't apt-get/dpkg acknowlege the already installedpackage libmng1
(v 1.0.3-3)?

Why won't "dpkg --purge libmng" remove an uninstalled package?   I can
only purge items which are in use!!?

Is the rationale for this non-intuitive behavior published anywhere?
 And most importantly, how do I get out of this mess?

Thanks
--rich
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creaky:~# apt-get install mozilla
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  ksysctrl: Depends: libmng (>= 0.9.3-0) but it is not going to be
installed
  ktimemon: Depends: libmng (>= 0.9.3-0) but it is not going to be
installed
  libqt2.2: Depends: libmng (>= 0.9.3-0) but it is not going to be
installed
  mozilla: Depends: libelfg0 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libnspr4 (= M18-3) but it is not going to be
installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
specify a solution).

creaky:~# apt-get --f install

Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libmng
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libmng
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1  not upgraded.

16 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/118kB of archives. After unpacking 418kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y


(Reading database ... 22636 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libmng (from .../libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmng.la', which is also in package
libmng1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
creaky:~#
Script done on Sun Feb 17 15:52:54 2002

Gnome reconfiguration question

[stan]

I'm setting up a woody machien for my wife. She's going to use Gnome, and 
I had sent a fair amount of time configuring her desktop for her.

Today she aske me to make things bigger (fonts ets.) and the best way I
and the best way I could figure out to do that, was o lower the resolutin.

So I cahnge the X rsolutino from 1920x1440 to 1152x864.

Problem is, Gnome doesn't seem to completly respect the chang :-(

For example the background image is still scaled for teh larger
workspace. Deleteing it, and reselecting it does not fix the problem.

Short of blowing away all the .gnoe directories, is there a way to
fix this?


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Re: potato version of galeon?

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi will!

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, will trillich wrote:

> what's the potato-friendly way to get galeon installed?
> (basically same inquiry as before, but with a more pertinent
> subject line and a bit more elaboration on the details:)
> 
> i've got potato(stable) set up including
> 
>   deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib 
> non-free
> 
> (all one line) in my /etc/apt/sources.list but of course galeon
> ain't there... ("dpkg -S" and "apt-cache search" both come up
> empty when looking for "galeon".)
> 
> i could download galeon rpm's, but goes against the debianistic grain.
 
to get galeon for potato i fear you have to get the mozilla and galeon
sources from unstable (or testing) and compile them for potato. you will
propably also need to compile some libraries which don't exist in potato
yourself or get newer version than those available in potato.

yours martin
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Re: Help! I have deleted my "startx"-File!

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Andreas!

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Andreas Maresch wrote:

> Today I have made a _BIG_, thumb newbie-error: I have deleted my "startx" 
> -file!
> I have potato 2.2.19pre9 with kde 2.0.1, no modifications.
> My X-server is XF86_SVGA.
> 
> Is there a fast method to regain the deleted file?
> Or can anybody post it for me?
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S startx
xbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/startx.1x.gz
xbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/bin/startx

reinstall xbase-clients should help

apt-get install --reinstall xbase-clients

yours martin
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Re: libmng dependency tangle

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Rich!

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Rich Johnson wrote:

> (Reading database ... 22636 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking libmng (from .../libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmng.la', which is also in package
> libmng1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

as you see there is a problem overwriting /usr/lib/libmng.la.

if you're shure you don't break anything you might try

dpkg -i --force-overwrite 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libmng_0.9.3-0.potato.3_powerpc.deb

or, if you want to be on the save side, get the sources for ksysctrl,
ktimemon, libqt2.2 and compile them or get newer versions compiled agains
libmng 1.0.3-1

yours martin
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Re: Help! I have deleted my "startx"-File!

[Gustavo Noronha Silva]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:31:23 +0100
Andreas Maresch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Today I have made a _BIG_, thumb newbie-error: I have deleted my "startx"
> -file! I have potato 2.2.19pre9 with kde 2.0.1, no modifications.
> My X-server is XF86_SVGA.
> 
> Is there a fast method to regain the deleted file?
> Or can anybody post it for me?
try 'apt-get --reinstall install xbase-files'

> PS: Please don't bash me for my stupidity! I already suffer extremly! =8-Q
I imagine =)

[]s!

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Re: cdrecord can't find scsi modules

[csj]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 01:46:43PM -0500, James Hughes wrote:
[sssnip]
> Well, recompiling the kernel without ide/atapi support did the trick. 
> And adding hdb=ide-scsi (as well as hdc=ide-sci) to the kernel command 
> line. And moving the /dev/cdrom simlink to /dev/scd8. Also, linking 
> /dev/cdrw to scd0 and adjusting fstab accordingly. I don't know if all 
> these steps are strictly necessary but that's the way things landed when 
> I finally got it working, so I ain't touching it... :)
> 
> FWIW, my experience would seem to indicate that the information in 
> README.ATAPI that states you can have both scsi emulation and ide/atapi 
> support concurrently would appear to be erroneous.

It (scsi-emu + atapi) works for me. Of course, not for the same
drive. ide-cd compiled into kernel and ide-scsi as module. I once did
it the other way around.

Note: I didn't catch the start of this thread.

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Re: Help! I have deleted my "startx"-File!

[Donald R. Spoon]

Andreas Maresch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi!

Today I have made a _BIG_, thumb newbie-error: I have deleted my "startx" -file!
I have potato 2.2.19pre9 with kde 2.0.1, no modifications.
My X-server is XF86_SVGA.

Is there a fast method to regain the deleted file?
Or can anybody post it for me?

Thank you in advance

Andreas



Probably the easiest way to recover from a "loss" like this is to 
re-install the package that contains the deleted file.  In this case the 
file "startx" is in the package "xbase-clients".  So here is what I 
would do:


1.  Off the internet using apt-get:
apt-get update
apt-get --reinstall install xbase-clients

2.  Off a Debian CDROM:

Just install the xbase-clients package via dpkg or apt-get using the 
CDROM as a source per above.


BTW, if you are ever looking which package a "missing" file is located 
within, you can find this out easily at Debain web site under the 
"Debian Packages" screen.  It is the last search option at the bottom of 
the page.


Cheers,
-Don Spoon-

Re: postgres upgrade for dummies? [solved]

[Andreas Goesele]

Andreas Goesele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Switch back to the pg_hba.conf file you used with 6.5. 7.1 has a new
> > authentication method "peer" which 6.5 doesn't understand and which 7.1's
> > default configuration employs IIRC.
> 
> This helped. Thanks. But now I have a new problem: The encoding of my
> database is latin1. During the upgrade with "postgresql-dump -t db.out
> -dcivlp $PGDATA/../data.save" the screen dump looked fine (all umlauts
> were correctly displayed). But now instead of the umlauts I have some
> strange combination of letters and signs. My name becomes for instance
> G(Hlaele.
> 
> Listing the databases with \l shows the correct encoding LATIN1 and
> also the ordering as according to the German rules.

The problem was the pager psql was using. Changing that to less solved
the problem. (It remains strange anyway, that the problem appeared:
more is working flawlessly on my system and the psql manpage claims
that psql is using more as default pager.)

Andreas Goesele

Re: potato version of galeon?

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 03:31:06PM -0600, will trillich wrote:
> what's the potato-friendly way to get galeon installed?
> i've got potato(stable) set up including
>deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
> (all one line) in my /etc/apt/sources.list but of course galeon
> ain't there... ("dpkg -S" and "apt-cache search" both come up
> empty when looking for "galeon".)

If you want to do this purly in potato envirinment, it is a bit of
efforts.

You can find this process under '4.3.9 Port a package to the "stable"
system' in my web page at http://qref.sf.net/quick/

In woody (Or potato with upgraded APT and dpkg), it is much easier.
After setting up sources.list with deb-src entries then from shell:

  # apt-get build-dep galeon
  # apt-get source -b galeon

This will build galeon, I think.

You may need to do similar for mozzilla.

Good luck.  

(If it is not a production server, I recommend you to upgrade system to
the "testing".  If it is a server, why install X or galeon, anuyay.)

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