Re: Command to determine resolution

[Rick Macdonald]

On 30 Nov 2000, Robert D. Hilliard wrote:

>  Is there a command available in Debian to determine what
> resolution is being used in an X session?

xdpyinfo
xvidtune

...RickM...

Re: dpkg dependencies

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:41:46AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i'm thinking of removing python, but before i do, i want to know which 
> packages depends on it.  is there a dpkg/apt command that will show me 
> what the dependencies are?

dpkg --no-act --purge python

or

apt-get -s remove python

It's all in the man pages ...

-- 
Eric G. Miller 

Re: [OT] Apple IIe help please

[Lizard]

At 06:25 PM 12/1/2000, D-Man wrote:

Hi all.  I apologize for the off topic-ness of the message and the 
cross-post.
I have a friend who has a program she likes (written in BASIC) on an Apple 
IIe.
I have a way to get into the code and list it on the screen.  What I am 
looking

for is someone who has had some experience using an Apple IIe who can tell me
how I can get the listing to be redirected to the printer port.  Also if it is
possible to get a copy of the program file onto a disk for an IBM compatible
comptuer (Windows or Linux) that would be great.


Gods, THAT brings back memories! Something like "PRINT #1" or the like? I 
know you specify a port..."IN #1" turned on the printer? Maybe? I'm sorry, 
I'm dredging up memories from 20+ years ago...

Re: scanner doesn't scan...

[dirk]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:36:37AM +0100, Peter Wollny wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've got a Mustek 6000SP scanner which refuses to work with Debian. I tried 
> to use the same configuration as with SuSE 6.3 but xsane still prompts "no 
> devices available".
> 
> I made MAKEDEV sg,

Hmm, I know I had this problem when I installed my scanner.
I can't recall the solution that worked for me, but here is what I
have:

I have a /etc/sane/mustek.conf which points to /dev/scanner,
furthermore, /dev/scanner is a symlink to /dev/sg0. I don't
know much about scsi stuff, I only have a scsi card for the
scanner and in the past for a DAT tape streamer. 

Well, this isn't much help, but maybe it is enough. 

Dirk

Re: keyboard auto repeat in X stops

[Christoph Groth]

Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   use xset to set the repeat and other stuff (mouse acceleration/speed/
> monitor dpms...) (man xset)

Thanks!  I guess I should have read the whole X manpage before asking.

>   login out and login back in using xdm restarts X server AFAIK

This explains why the console can be seen for a second or so after
logging out...

Christoph

Re: scanner doesn't scan...

[Peter Wollny]

I have the symlink  /dev/scanner pointing to /dev/sg0 but I only have 
/etc/sane.d with a real mustek.conf file, no link.
I still don't understand.


pit


Le Saturday 02 December 2000 09:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:36:37AM +0100, Peter Wollny wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've got a Mustek 6000SP scanner which refuses to work with Debian. I
> > tried to use the same configuration as with SuSE 6.3 but xsane still
> > prompts "no devices available".
> >
> > I made MAKEDEV sg,
>
> Hmm, I know I had this problem when I installed my scanner.
> I can't recall the solution that worked for me, but here is what I
> have:
>
> I have a /etc/sane/mustek.conf which points to /dev/scanner,
> furthermore, /dev/scanner is a symlink to /dev/sg0. I don't
> know much about scsi stuff, I only have a scsi card for the
> scanner and in the past for a DAT tape streamer.
>
> Well, this isn't much help, but maybe it is enough.
>
> Dirk

Re: scanner doesn't scan...

[Alec Smith]

I think what Dirk meant was he's got an /etc/sane.d/mustek.conf which has
a line

/dev/scanner

as its contents.

After the mustek.conf file includes that line, /dev/scanner should be
symlinked to /dev/sg0.



On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Peter Wollny wrote:

> I have the symlink  /dev/scanner pointing to /dev/sg0 but I only have
> /etc/sane.d with a real mustek.conf file, no link.
> I still don't understand.
>
>
> pit
>
>
> Le Saturday 02 December 2000 09:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a ?crit:
> > On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:36:37AM +0100, Peter Wollny wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've got a Mustek 6000SP scanner which refuses to work with Debian. I
> > > tried to use the same configuration as with SuSE 6.3 but xsane still
> > > prompts "no devices available".
> > >
> > > I made MAKEDEV sg,
> >
> > Hmm, I know I had this problem when I installed my scanner.
> > I can't recall the solution that worked for me, but here is what I
> > have:
> >
> > I have a /etc/sane/mustek.conf which points to /dev/scanner,
> > furthermore, /dev/scanner is a symlink to /dev/sg0. I don't
> > know much about scsi stuff, I only have a scsi card for the
> > scanner and in the past for a DAT tape streamer.
> >
> > Well, this isn't much help, but maybe it is enough.
> >
> > Dirk
>
>
>
>
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does anyone use psgml with XEmacs?

[Harry Henry Gebel]

In September I changed Linux distributions, and since then I have been
getting the following errors from XEmacs psgml-mode:

Docbook documents:

/usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOamsa line 11 col 22 entity ISOamsa
/usr/lib/sgml/entities/docbook-3.1/dbcent.mod line 54 col 9 entity dbcent
/usr/lib/sgml/dtd/docbook-3.1/docbook.dtd line 69 col 8 entity BOOK
/home/hgebel/development/PyBackup/doc/doctest.sgml line 1 col 54 
Delimiter MDC (>) expected; at: "[cularr]"--

HTML documents:

/usr/lib/sgml/entities/HTMLlat1 line 12 col 22 entity HTMLlat1
/usr/lib/sgml/dtd/html-4.01-loose.dtd line 174 col 10 entity HTML
/home/hgebel/development/PyBackup/doc/test.html line 1 col 62 
Delimiter MDC (>) expected; at: " " -- 

I reformated all of my partitions except /home , so all of the files in
other partitions are from the new distribution rather than the old
one. Since I kept my old home directory I thought it might be a problem
with an old configuration file there; but I created a new user and got the
same problem when logged in as that user.

I am using Debian 2.2r1 with the XEmacs version 21.1.12. I am using the
psgml mode that came with the Debian XEmacs package. My previous
distribution was Mandrake 7.1 with whatever XEmacs and psgml mode came with
that distribution. psgml worked fine under that distribution.

If I run nsgmls on a file it processes it fine, so I don't think there is a
problem with my DTDs or catalogs, although I don't understand SGML
internals well enough to be sure about that.

Does anyone have an idea what is going on here? I wish I knew more about
psgml (and SGML in general) internals so I could figure it out on my own,
but I don't.

Up until now I have just avoided using psgml mode, but I am starting a
project where I will need to use it alot, and it would be extremely
convenient if psgml mode was working to it's full potential.

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West Dover Hundred, Delaware

Re: Problems install debconf SOLVED

[Mike]

Mike Werner wrote:
> Has anyone managed to install the debconf from woody?  I've been trying to
> install it with no luck.  It keeps claiming that it depends on libapt-pkg2.7
> which I can't find anywhere.  But when I check debconf's dependancies on the
> packages.debian.org site, the libapt-pkg2.7 dependancy is nowhere to be
> seen.

Found the problem.  Turns out that the libapt-pkg2.7 is provided by apt
itself.  And I was using a development (? version 0.4.7 ?) version of apt
which was providing libapt-pkg3.1  "Downgrading" back to the version in woody
fixed this.
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does anyone use psgml with XEmacs - followup

[Harry Henry Gebel]

I notice that if I make alterations in the effected file I can change where
the error shows up, for example I get this error when parsing the DTD for a
Docbook document:

/usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOamsa line 11 col 22 entity ISOamsa
/usr/lib/sgml/entities/docbook-3.1/dbcent.mod line 54 col 9 entity dbcent
/usr/lib/sgml/dtd/docbook-3.1/docbook.dtd line 69 col 8 entity BOOK
/home/hgebel/development/PyBackup/doc/doctest.sgml line 1 col 54 
Delimiter MDC (>) expected; at: "[cularr]"--

If I change the first part of /usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOamsa from:







to 







The error changes to:

/usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOamsa line 15 col 22 entity ISOamsa
/usr/lib/sgml/entities/docbook-3.1/dbcent.mod line 54 col 9 entity dbcent
/usr/lib/sgml/dtd/docbook-3.1/docbook.dtd line 69 col 8 entity BOOK
/home/hgebel/development/PyBackup/doc/doctest.sgml line 1 col 54 
Delimiter MDC (>) expected; at: "[dharl ]"--

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that is vital data, but I thought maybe
that behavior could give someone an idea of what the problem is.

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West Dover Hundred, Delaware

Colour scanning - blocks of colours rather than correct image

[Phillip Deackes]

I am having a problem with my Agfa SnapScan 310 SCSI scanner. Using The
Gimp/Sane the scanner works fine when I set xscanimage to do a grescale
scan. When I set it to colour, however, I get just a series of colour
blocks. The downward spiral started a while back with previous versions of
Sane - I would get a recognisable sacn but with very bas colour fringing.
An old version (around v7) worked fine.

Any ideas? 

-- 
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Using Storm Linux 2000

RE: Partitioning disk

[Bob]

Hi.

In older days  a /usr/local was recommended because this is where you would
install all the "alien" software on your system. By alien I mean, Things
that did not come prepared for your system, or things you compiled yourself.

Ourdays it is quite rare (at least from what I see), to find 'things that
end up in /usr/local', so why put it in a different partition?. Dont!.

The best use of putting the /usr/local on another partition is that you can
delete your root partition install a new distrbution without having to
install all those extra packages you put in /usr/local.

Personally I find it quite usefull. Netscape 6, wxwindows libs, fox libs,...
by default install in /usr/local

With /usr its probably another story. What happens if you over install
software (mostly oing in /usr), or logs overgrow too much, mail starts
bulking, Your ONLY / partition has  no space to work with... could be a
problem. This is avoided if you put / on one partition, /usr on another,
/var on a third. The  /usr/local and /home for portability (between
distributions) and security may go on other partitions.

It would probably be very desirable if  important partitions where on
different hard disks, thus not sharing the load and heating of a stressed
system!

This all depends on whether you are going to have a lot of load on your
system or if it is going to highly stressed.

For a home user all this may be unnecesary !.

Of course I may be wrong...

Bye, Mark.



- Original Message -
From: Lazar Fleysher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:11 PM
Subject: Partitioning disk


>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> This question has been a topic of many discussions but I still do not
> understand the reason why people suggest to have separate partitions of
> /usr
> /usr/local/
>
> In early days when disks were small, this was the only choise, but now,
> why do not just have a 1 - 2G partition for the system and other
> partitions for other things as needed?
>
> Thank you
>
> Lazar
>
>
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"multiple" logins NIS

[Florian Kessler]

Hi all,

we use a network with NFS / NIS here. Actually it´s possible to use one
account to login to more than one computer at the same time. Is there any
way to disable this?

Tanks in advance
Florian

Re: "multiple" logins NIS

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Florian Kessler  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>we use a network with NFS / NIS here. Actually it´s possible to use one
>account to login to more than one computer at the same time. Is there any
>way to disable this?

An elaborate set of scripts and lockfiles on a shared NFS partition ?
But I've never heard of someone who wanted to do this.. why does
it matter ?

Mike.

Re: Partitioning disk

[Christoph Simon]

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:16:19 -
"Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In older days  a /usr/local was recommended because this is where you would
> install all the "alien" software on your system. By alien I mean, Things
> that did not come prepared for your system, or things you compiled yourself.
> 
> Ourdays it is quite rare (at least from what I see), to find 'things that
> end up in /usr/local', so why put it in a different partition?. Dont!.

Wouldn't it be nice to give it more use even today. Maybe someone can
find a way to have the stable distribution in the main tree and the unstable
in local. There seem to be many people using stable, but wishing to
get also individual packets from unstable, not for testing purposes.
This might be a real challenge for the debian packaging system!

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mouse middle button not working in X

[Anthony Campbell]

I have a 3-button mouse; Microsoft-compatible. It works as expected in
the console but the middle button doesn't work in X.

Also, I have to turn it off in the console when I'm in X, otherwise the
pointer freezes.

Any ideas about this?

Anthony


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Skeptical essays: http://www.cix.co.uk/~acampbell/freethinker/

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Free translation: "Holdfast is your only dog."

Re: mouse middle button not working in X

[Jeremiah H. Savage]

When I was using a ps/2 mouse, I got the middle buttom to work by
changing the Device in the "Pointer" Section of /etc/X11/XF86Config from
Device
"/dev/psaux" <-- yours might have something else
to
Device
"/dev/gpmdata"

Jeremiah


Anthony Campbell wrote:


I have a 3-button mouse; Microsoft-compatible. It works as expected in
the console but the middle button doesn't work in X.

Also, I have to turn it off in the console when I'm in X, otherwise the
pointer freezes.

Any ideas about this?

Anthony

Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:47:24 -0800, Jinsong Zhao wrote:
> People would expect stability and high quality from commercial tools and
> people pay for these features. It's hard to believe Redhat use the
> unstable gcc 2.96 despite the very warning from the very producer.

Actually, Red Hat released a development (CVS) version of gcc as "gcc 2.96",
which prompted the announcement on gcc.gnu.org.

Ray
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How do I print .sgml files?

[Robin Collins]

This is crazy, but I can't find out how to print .sgml files.  I installed
the debian-sgml package and got a raft of files installed but just _WHAT_
is it that I do to print a file?

I tried using man sgml to no avail, looked for all *sgml* in /usr/bin but
only found three utilities, and now have no idea where to look next.

Please someone put me out of my misery!

Cheers,
Robin Collins

Re: How do I print .sgml files?

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:37:20 +, Robin Collins wrote:
> This is crazy, but I can't find out how to print .sgml files.

The short answer is: you don't print them.

The longer answer is: SGML files contain structured documents; they do not
contain any layout information. By applying a stylesheet to them, they can
be rendered into a printable format.

One way of doing that is to use a script like 'db2ps' from the
cygnus-stylesheets package; another way is to use "jade" directly (see e.g.
http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~jdassen/onderwijs/stuva/debug/).

Be sure to install the "task-sgml" package so you have all relevant
packages.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Partitioning disk

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 08:17:23AM -0200, Christoph Simon wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice to give it more use even today. Maybe someone can
> find a way to have the stable distribution in the main tree and the unstable
> in local. There seem to be many people using stable, but wishing to
> get also individual packets from unstable, not for testing purposes.
> This might be a real challenge for the debian packaging system!

not really, it is quite common for debian developers to have either a
stable or unstable system in a chroot, for example developers who have
moved to woody create a potato install in /usr/local/potato.  when
they need to compile a package for potato (bug fix or security) they
just mount /usr/local/potato/proc and chroot in.  you can even have
init spawn a chrooted getty so you can `login' to potato. (actually
one of the newer Debian systems allows developers to ssh in to either
a potato or a woody system running on the same box.  (sharing only the
same running kernel))

all you really have to do is untar base2_2.tgz, chroot in and start
out just like a fresh installed debian system. apt-get and all work
just fine.  

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Re: what is > ?

[Colin Watson]

Harry Henry Gebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[inside single quotes]

>The single quote retains it's special meaning because otherwise you
>would have no way to stop typing the argument, the backslash retains
>it's special meaning in case you have to insert a single quote
>character into the argument.

Actually, backslashes lose their special meaning inside single quotes in
bash:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo '\\\' 
  \\\

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help setting up a slave machine ...

[Jan Pfeifer]

hi,

I have a spare machine (a PIII 550) without monitor/keyboard/mouse nor
_hd_, but with onboard (SIS) ethernet card, disk (3 1/2) and cdrom
drives. I want to set up a small LAN with my main machine (debian
woody, kernel 2.4.9) as a server, and this machine just to run some
CPU intensive (but not disk intesive) tasks.

How do I do this ? Any pointers to HOWTO's/manuals I should read to
build this would be very helpful. 

thanx 

:-)

jan

ps.: I think what I need is:

1) make a boot disk able to load the rest of the system using NFS (or a
CD, I have access to a burner here)

2) see the same /home and possibly the same /usr and part of the same
/etc, to make it easier to just "ssh" tasks in the other machine

is that right ? 

Re: dpkg dependencies

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>i'm thinking of removing python, but before i do, i want to know which 
>packages depends on it.  is there a dpkg/apt command that will show me 
>what the dependencies are?

'apt-cache showpkg python-base', though note that this will show
everything that depends on it, whether installed or not. The easiest way
is just to try uninstalling it and see if there are any complaints, or
use the --no-act option to dpkg or apt-get to run a simulation.

-- 
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Re: why doesn't modprobe log errors?!?

[Colin Watson]

Peter Jay Salzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>1. whenever i boot, i get warnings that modules rtl8139, ppp and sg can't be
>   found by modprobe.  for example:
>
> Calculating module dependencies
> done
> Loading modules: ppp modprobe:
>Can't locate module ppp

[...]

>question: granted this is not a life-threatening error, but why doesn't
>modprobe log these errors?  surely ANY warning concerning the loading of
>kernel modules would be of general interest?!?

Run modprobe with the -s (or --syslog) option. Note that this won't
print anything on the screen, though, which is probably why the boot
scripts don't use it.

A more general solution is eventually to cause all output from the
initialization scripts to be logged. There's been some discussion about
this on debian-devel.

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creative labs sound card

[Andrew Dixon]

Hi All,
I've got an old sound card that I'm trying to get running.  All I know
about it is that it's a:
Creative Labs
Model No CT3600

and I found this number on one of the bigger chips on the board

CT2502-SDQ

Any thoughts?

Also what is a good way to check and see if the sound card is working?

Thanks,
Andy


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Enlightenment Mouse Configuration

[Richard Hunt]

I'm trying to use GNOME/Enlightenment, but it takes over all the
buttons on the desktop. The configuration programs don't include
one for the mouse button bindings. How do I change them so that
left and right buttons do nothing in enlightenment?

There used to be one program for configuring all of enlightenment
does this still exist.

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Re: help setting up a slave machine .

[Sebastiaan]

Simple. Just do a standard install, configure your network properly ad
then you should be able to telnet, ftp etc. between the computers. So you
can do almost everything that you can do with telnet. 
For a ore advanced configuration, you could configure your server with
nfs, o your slave has acces to some sort of drive and it is more easy to
exchange files between each other.
Furthermore, if you need, you can also display X-windows from your slave
on your server monitor, so you are also able to run visual application.

I hope this is something you want to do?

Greetings,
Sebastiaan


On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jan Pfeifer wrote:

> hi,
> 
> I have a spare machine (a PIII 550) without monitor/keyboard/mouse nor
> _hd_, but with onboard (SIS) ethernet card, disk (3 1/2) and cdrom
> drives. I want to set up a small LAN with my main machine (debian
> woody, kernel 2.4.9) as a server, and this machine just to run some
> CPU intensive (but not disk intesive) tasks.
> 
> How do I do this ? Any pointers to HOWTO's/manuals I should read to
> build this would be very helpful. 
> 
> thanx 
> 
> :-)
> 
> jan
> 
> ps.: I think what I need is:
> 
> 1) make a boot disk able to load the rest of the system using NFS (or a
> CD, I have access to a burner here)
> 
> 2) see the same /home and possibly the same /usr and part of the same
> /etc, to make it easier to just "ssh" tasks in the other machine
> 
> is that right ? 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: help setting up a slave machine ...

[Sebastiaan]

ops, forgott one thing: you do not have a harddisk in your slave. For
that, have a ook at the linux diskless terminal server project at
www.ltsp.org. Maybe there is more information you could use.

Sorry for my stupidity,
Greetz,
Sebastiaan

Re: DESTROY (perl experts please) (fwd)

[pigfoot Chen]

¡°¡mWayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>¡n¡G
>   Subject: Re: DESTROY (perl experts please) (fwd)
>   Date: Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:07:06PM +1100
> In reply to:Damien
> Quoting Damien([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > hrm. afaik, unstable refers to the helixcode distribution - thus unstable
> > helixcode will work fine with potato.
> Ok, I'm wrong.  I guess

  BTW, could someone show me any result about using perl-5.6
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fips/win swapfile ?

[Dale Morris]

I'm installing 2.2 on a friends computer. He wants to keep windows
onboard, but I seem to have misplaced my old PartitionMagic CD and don't
want to spend the money to buy another one. Hence, I'm using FIPS.

Reading the help file for fips, it tells me that I have to remove the
windows swap file manually using the enhanced 386 control panel. ?? Then
reinstall it after I run fips. The disk is defragging now so if someone
can enlighten me on this a little I would appreciate it. Where is the
command to remove the windows swap file? And then reinstall it?

I looked through the control panel¬>system and I didn't see anything.

The machine I'm installing on is setup for FAT32.

thanks

Few question of newbie | need urgent help.

[New Star Service Company]

1)  I install Debian 2.1 today , I'm single user.
 I need setup internet dialup network urgently.
 I use "pppconfig" to setup internet connection. setup is ok.
 I use #pon in root for dial, connection ok , everything ok.
 but when i use $pon command in my user account (/home/satyajit), I
received
 error message : /usr/bin/pon : /usr/sbin/pppd : permission denied
 I use this # chmod u+s /usr/bin/pon
   # chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
 but same error.
 Please someone urgently help me how can I active pon/poff command in my
 user account (/home/satyajit) for take internet connection

2) I want to give some color to directory, symlink and executive files.
which file I will edit ?
 In Color-ls mini-howto  said to edit /etc/bashrc file but I'm not find
it in my /etc dir.
 how can I use color ?

need urgent reply.
satyajit

Re: gnome without window manager

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Thanks a lot to Hubert and Timmy for the advices! I was able to configure the 
window manager from 
the gnome control panel

regards,

Marcelo
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Best Light Web browser??

[Jonathan Gift]

Hi,

I've tested Chimera2, Express, Arena, and gzilla. Anything else out
there as a simple web browser capable of getting through the
gimp-manual? Of the lot, the only one that didn't crash after 30 secs
from Chimera2.

Any other choices aside Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, for something low
footprint?

Thanks,

Jonathan

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Re: Few question of newbie | need urgent help.

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 21:49:56 +0600, New Star Service Company wrote:
> 1)  I install Debian 2.1 today

The current release is 2.2.

>  I use #pon in root for dial, connection ok , everything ok.
>  but when i use $pon command in my user account (/home/satyajit), I
> received
>  error message : /usr/bin/pon : /usr/sbin/pppd : permission denied
>  I use this # chmod u+s /usr/bin/pon

suid bits don't work for shell scripts.

># chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
>  but same error.

pppd cannot be executed by all users. You could chmod a+x it. The proper
solution though is to add those users that are allowed to start pppd to the
group that pppd belongs to (on my 2.2 system, that's group "dip").

HTH,
Ray
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Re: Few question of newbie | need urgent help.

[Antonio Rodriguez]

New Star Service Company wrote:
> 
> 1)  I install Debian 2.1 today , I'm single user.
>  I need setup internet dialup network urgently.
>  I use "pppconfig" to setup internet connection. setup is ok.
>  I use #pon in root for dial, connection ok , everything ok.
>  but when i use $pon command in my user account (/home/satyajit), I
> received
>  error message : /usr/bin/pon : /usr/sbin/pppd : permission denied
>  I use this # chmod u+s /usr/bin/pon
># chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
>  but same error.
>  Please someone urgently help me how can I active pon/poff command in my
>  user account (/home/satyajit) for take internet connection
> 
> 2) I want to give some color to directory, symlink and executive files.
 
If I am not mistaken, the name of the dialout group is "dip" or similar,
so you will have to add the user to that group.

balsa lib dependences

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Hello!

I've downloaded the last version of balsa (1.0.0-2) in a deb format. When I run 
dpkg -i package-balsa.deb, 
the installation complains about the following libraries are not instaled:

1- libbonobo1 (>=0.23)
2- libgal1
3- libgtkhtml5 (>=0.7)
4- libltdl0
5-liboaf0
6- libpspell2 (>= 0.11.0.1-1)

and the installation stops.
I am running potato and I checked the debian site for them. The library 4 is 
the only one present in potato 
(I don't know why dpkg complains about it). Libs 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 are present 
only in woody. Lib 3 is absent 
from woody too. 

I wonder what is the solution for installing balsa. May I install by hand the 
necessary libraries from woody? 
or it is better to move the whole system to woody? and what about lib 3? (in 
woody is present libgtkhtml3)

Thanks in advance for the advices!


Marcelo
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Re: Best Light Web browser??

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 16:55:12 +0100, Jonathan Gift wrote:
> Any other choices aside Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, for something low
> footprint?

For browsing documentation, a text-mode browser such as lynx, links or w3m
usually suffices. w3m is my current favourite because it supports both
frames/tables and HTTP proxies well.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: scanner doesn't scan...

[dirk]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 04:06:31AM -0500, Alec Smith wrote:
> I think what Dirk meant was he's got an /etc/sane.d/mustek.conf which has
> a line
> 
> /dev/scanner
> 
> as its contents.
> 
> After the mustek.conf file includes that line, /dev/scanner should be
> symlinked to /dev/sg0.
> 
Indeed, this is what I meant. 

Dirk

Re: upgrade errors: libgnomeprint-bin 0.25-0.1, overwriting files

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

kmself@ix.netcom.com writes:

> Problems upgrading libgnomeprint11 because of libgnomeprint-data
> dependencies because libgnomeprint-bin tries to overwrite
> /usr/bin/gnome-font-install which is also in lobgnomeprint6.

All these error messages (I saw a lot of them in the last time)
depends on dpkg not having '--force-overwrite' set in
apt.conf. Strange enough it doesn't honour the option as given in the
/usr/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf (maybe I should write a bug report).

Of course installing manually with 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb'
works.

Greetings,
joachim

Re: Best Light Web browser??

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jonathan Gift  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've tested Chimera2, Express, Arena, and gzilla. Anything else out
>there as a simple web browser capable of getting through the
>gimp-manual? Of the lot, the only one that didn't crash after 30 secs
>from Chimera2.

If you're using the GIMP, you're probably using the GNOME desktop
as well. That comes with an integrated help system that browses
html too - and it's pretty lightweight.

For example:

$ gnome-help-browser file:/usr/share/doc/squid/FAQ.html

It doesn't quite render slashdot.org correctly though (how's
that for the understatement of the day)

Mike.

Re: Potato install termwrap problem

[USM Bish]

I have faced the same problem with a fresh installation
with Linux Central binary CD distribution.  Downloading
a fresh base system and installing from  hard disk made
no difference.

Secondly, the lp module is also not being configured on
doing a Configure of the Installed kernel.

No clues on this termwrap issue !

Need some help in this regard.

Thanks.

USM Bish


On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brian Lavender wrote:

> I just installed the base system of potato from the binary-i386 iso
> image disk 1. Once it goes through the install of the base system,
> I get the following error on boot.
> 
> /bin/sh: /sbin/termwrap: No such file or directory
> /bin/sh: exec: /sbin/termwrap: cannot execute: No such file or directory
> 
> INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
> 
> What is wrong here? I looked in /sbin and there is no
> termwrap program there.
> 
> brian
> -- 
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> http://www.brie.com/brian/
> 
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Re: [OT] Apple IIe help please

[Brian McGroarty]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 09:25:07PM -0500, D-Man wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  I apologize for the off topic-ness of the message and the 
> cross-post. 
> I have a friend who has a program she likes (written in BASIC) on an Apple 
> IIe. 
> I have a way to get into the code and list it on the screen.  What I am 
> looking
> for is someone who has had some experience using an Apple IIe who can tell me
> how I can get the listing to be redirected to the printer port.  Also if it is
> possible to get a copy of the program file onto a disk for an IBM compatible
> comptuer (Windows or Linux) that would be great.

I think PR #1 sounds right for routing output to the printer, as
someone else said.

For the transfer, your best option is probably to use a modem for the
transfer - you'll need to set up a host that can receive X/Y or
Z-modem and take it from there.

Alternatively, if you can find someone with a working 3.5" floppy for
a //c or ][gs (did they make one for the ][e ever?) there is software
available for writing MS-DOS format files, and you can take it from
there. Mind, you may want to find a way to convert the BASIC code to a
non-tokenized format on the Apple or it's not going to be too useful
to you on the PC.

Re: [OT] Apple IIe help please

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Friday, December 1, Lizard did write:

> At 06:25 PM 12/1/2000, D-Man wrote:
> 
> >Hi all.  I apologize for the off topic-ness of the message and the 
> >cross-post.
> >I have a friend who has a program she likes (written in BASIC) on an Apple 
> >IIe.
> >I have a way to get into the code and list it on the screen.  What I am 
> >looking
> >for is someone who has had some experience using an Apple IIe who can tell me
> >how I can get the listing to be redirected to the printer port.  Also if it 
> >is
> >possible to get a copy of the program file onto a disk for an IBM compatible
> >comptuer (Windows or Linux) that would be great.
> 
> Gods, THAT brings back memories! Something like "PRINT #1" or the like? I 
> know you specify a port..."IN #1" turned on the printer? Maybe? I'm sorry, 
> I'm dredging up memories from 20+ years ago...

Close.  Try PR#1 instead (at least, I *THINK* port 1 is the printer).  That
should redirect all subsequent output to the printer.  To reset, do PR#0.
So, something like

LOAD BLAH.BAS
PR#1(from this point on, you'll be typing blind)
LIST
PR#0(and you'll be back to normal)

As for converting the file to a PC disk, you'll probably need to transfer
it to a PC electronically---a dial-up link or a null modem cable is
probably your best bet.

Amazed that I still remember this stuff (haven't used an Apple II in 12
years),

Richard

Unix/Linux Congress

[Luz Futten]

Hi, the 15th of november started a free congress in a spanish irc 
network. Some conferences are in spanish and some others in 
english, if you're interested, have a look at:

in spanish, latest calendar:
http://umeet.uninet.edu/spanish/des.html


info in english:

http://umeet.uninet.edu/english/pres.eng.html


Enjoy. 
Luz Futten.

Re: Few question of newbie | need urgent help.

[Christopher W. Aiken]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, New Star Service Company wrote:

->1)  I install Debian 2.1 today , I'm single user.
-> I need setup internet dialup network urgently.
-> I use "pppconfig" to setup internet connection. setup is ok.
-> I use #pon in root for dial, connection ok , everything ok.
-> but when i use $pon command in my user account (/home/satyajit), I
->received
-> error message : /usr/bin/pon : /usr/sbin/pppd : permission denied
-> I use this # chmod u+s /usr/bin/pon
->   # chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd
-> but same error.
-> Please someone urgently help me how can I active pon/poff command in my
-> user account (/home/satyajit) for take internet connection
->



As root, use "adduser  dip"  to add the  to
the "dip" group.  The  will have to "logout" and
"login" to have the changes activated.  Have  use
the "groups" to verify they are part of the "dip" group.

See:   man adduser


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Current O/S: Debian 2.2 GNU/Linux

Re: Few question of newbie | need urgent help.

[John Hasler]

Antonio Rodriguez writes:
> If I am not mistaken, the name of the dialout group is "dip" or
> similar,...

The dialout group is "dialout", but that is not what you want for ppp.  The
correct group for ppp is "dip".  A user must be in "dip" to run pppd but
need not be in "dialout".
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XFCE

[Christopher W. Aiken]

Does anyone know id there is s deb package of the
XFCE WM?  I tried an "apt-get install xfce" and it
failed with a not found.

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Current O/S: Debian 2.2 GNU/Linux

Mosaic work?

[Jonathan Gift]

Hi,

I dl the latest Mosaic for Linux and it tells me to uncompress and run
it. I did but it makes a request for a LibXt.so.6 file which is there.
Is this version viable? Are there others?

Thanks,

Jonathan
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Re: libmng problem

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

Frank Frijns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> After collecting all the needed packages (debian; e.g. .deb) I fail to
> collect all needed ones. One of them is libmng.
[...]
> KDE (Kdebase for instance) won't install because of dependencies with
> this package. Has anyone a good package (this failing package is 168 Kb)
> or, even better, a .deb version of this library.

There is a regular .deb in the woody distribution
(libmng_0.9.3-3.1_i386.deb).

Greetings,
joachim

Re: XFCE

[mikpolniak]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:13:42 -0500 (EST), Christopher W. Aiken said:

> 
>  Does anyone know id there is s deb package of the
>  XFCE WM?  I tried an "apt-get install xfce" and it
>  failed with a not found.
>  
Point your sources.list to woody. I just d/l it a week ago and 
it works fine in my mainly potato box.  

Re: swap size

[Dave Sherohman]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 09:35:16PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> a couple of days ago a was configuring a bunch of boxes with 1G ram
> and i allocated 1G of swap, because my boss said so.  a co-worker then
> told me that the appropriate amount of swap to allocate should be
> twice the ram.  i really don't see the point of having the swap to be
> twice the size of ram, especially since i have 1G of it.  there must
> be a point of diminishing return regarding swap allocation.  is there
> even a point of allocating swap on a system with 1G ram if so what's
> the magic size?

As others have said, you only need what you're going to use and the 2xRAM rule
is largely obsolete these days.  As data points, I run two Linux workstations,
both are configured as development stations using WindowMaker and primarly
run Eterms, XMMS, gcc, and Netscape, plus a horde of dockapps.  The one at
home is set up with 128M RAM + 128M swap; the one at work has 256M RAM and
no swap.  Both work great and never have any memory shortages.

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Re: help setting up a slave machine ...

[Jan Pfeifer]

yes, no harddisk. But I found the following: 

".../linux/Documentation/nfsroot.txt"

and the program

"bootparamd"

and I think I found my way. I'm still in doubt about which files
should be shared ("/home", "/usr" a part of "/etc") and which not
("/tmp", "/var", another part of "/etc"). And how to do this selection
... I'll take a look at the site.

thanks a lot

:-)

jan

ps.: I don't have a hub, is it possible to connect the cards directly
with a common cable ? (one of the cards don't take coaxial cables)


On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 04:09:14PM +0100, Sebastiaan wrote:
> ops, forgott one thing: you do not have a harddisk in your slave. For
> that, have a ook at the linux diskless terminal server project at
> www.ltsp.org. Maybe there is more information you could use.
> 
> Sorry for my stupidity,
> Greetz,
> Sebastiaan
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: help setting up a slave machine ...

[Robert Waldner]

On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:27:55 -0200, Jan Pfeifer writes:
>ps.: I don't have a hub, is it possible to connect the cards directly
>with a common cable ? (one of the cards don't take coaxial cables)

You need a crossover-cable, if you don´t know how to crimp one 
yourself, ask your local dealer ;-)

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Re: [UNIX help]

[Tino Ionescu]

Did you try what is available free?  Download courses from internet  these are
2 places where u can start :

http://www.linuxtraining.co.uk/

http://www.oase-shareware.org/shell/links/index.html.

Also, many universities have very good specific application
Florentin




"Alex Horsnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have just started learning UNIX and unfortunatley my 'teacher' has been
very
> busy lately and unable to show me anything.
> 
> I have started on our company printers and am using putty, I don't have any
> problems in that area, but I would like to learn more.
> 
> Does anyone out there have any prefered methods/books on learning UNIX?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alex
> 
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Re: what is > ?

[Harry Henry Gebel]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 01:27:24PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> Harry Henry Gebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The single quote retains it's special meaning because otherwise you
> >would have no way to stop typing the argument, the backslash retains
> >it's special meaning in case you have to insert a single quote
> >character into the argument.
> 
> Actually, backslashes lose their special meaning inside single quotes in
> bash:
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo '\\\' 
>   \\\

Guess that shows I shouldn't make assumptions. So if you want to pass in a
single quote you need to do this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo '\\\'"'"'\\\'
\\\'\\\

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Re: missing info pages (eg emacs)

[Chris Gray]

> Jeremiah H Savage writes:

jhs> I'm running a freshly installed Potato system on i386. It
jhs> seems there are 14 packages for which no info pages have been
jhs> installed, most notably emacs. But I have installed emacs20
jhs> and xemacs21. I have checked for a package such as emacs-doc
jhs> or emacs-manual, but haven't found anything yet. However, the
jhs> info pages for Xemacs21 *are* present. Any ideas on how to
jhs> get the pages working properly for vanilla emacs and others?

jhs> Below is the list of missing info pages. Even though *Info:
jhs> (info) is in this list, the documentation is present for
jhs> info. Thanks for the help.

Basically, you have to go into /usr/share/info and symlink the info
files to their correct names.  For instance, you need a link 

viper.info.gz -> viper-e20.gz
widget.info.gz -> widget-e20.gz
emacs.info.gz -> emacs-e20.gz
etc.

There's probably an easy script to do this, but it's fairly easy to do
it by hand,

Cheers,
Chris


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sources.list

[Bud Rogers]

apt-get update gives me these errors:

Err http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Sources
  404 Not Found 
  
Failed to fetch 
http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/stable/non-US/source/Sources
  404 Not Found 
  
I believe the relevant line in /etc/apt/sources.list is

deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US   

which is right out of /usr/share/doc/apt/examples.  I would appreciate 
a hint on what that line should be.

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Re: Hi all

[Tim Uckun]

At 08:59 AM 12/2/2000 -0500, you wrote:


Yikes! Run level 2 is the debian default.

You sure didn't need to reinstall on that score.

Sorry if I was too late.


Actually SSH was not working ither. It was never installed (wh not?)  then 
I did a apt-get ssh and it said there was a dependency for libssl09 so I 
did a apt-get libssl09 but it could not find it. Well I decided to do a 
reinstall figuring that maybe something else went wrong with this install too.


I am now trying to install for the third time (maybe third time is the 
charm). I really want to get debian working but I have to admit if this 
does not do it for me then I am going back to red hat.


Why runlevel 2? That makes no sense to me.
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repairing corrupted kernel to boot

[lists]

My potato linux partiton won't boot - I assume it was damaged by
a series of power outages. I initially got a "crc checksum" error
upon booting.

/boot is on /dev/hda2 & / is /dev/hda5.
When I use the debian boot floppy ( "rescue root=/dev/hda5" )
I get the usual startup messages, 
   then:
VFS: mounted root ( ext2 filesystem ) readonly
Freeing unused kernel memory: 140K freed

after the above the computer just seems to freeze. No more display
messages, no response to the keyboard.

I can get a shell by adding "init=/bin/sash" to above boot options,
but I get #11 kills on any commands not built into the sash shell.

If I use the boot disk, then the root disk; I can use the install
menu's mount pre-initialized partions to mount my partitions. But
I get seg faults when I try to compile a kernel or run lilo (including
it's chroot option).

I'd like to get this system bootable again because I spent a good
deal of time tweaking & configuring to my hardware. Where should I
go from here?

jon 

/var/cache/apt/archives

[Christopher W Aiken]

I want to install Debian 2.2 to a second machine.  I have
used "apt-get" to get and install a whole lot of stuff
(over 65MB of files) on my first machine.  After I install 
on my second machine can I copy "/var/cache/apr/archives" from 
the first to my second machine and do a "dpkg -i *.deb" to
install all this info?   Is there a better way?  What
would be the "prefered way"?

Thank you..

-=[cwa]=-

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Re: Hi all

[Tim Uckun]

At 03:03 PM 12/2/2000 -0500, you wrote:

In a message dated 12/2/00 2:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Why runlevel 2? That makes no sense to me.



It's the second one you need.


I thought runlevel 2 was no network? I have always ran linux on runlevel 3.


The tricky part (must be) related to the fact that I am
building all my own stuff on /opt and not /usr/local

I'll always build my own web server software, but I love
that I can use dselect simply every day to keep the entire
OS perfectly secure.


The primary reason I want to move to debian is apt-get, like you I am very 
interested in keeping my OS secure. I worry a lot though.
One apt seems to install things in /var/lib (huh??) I am used to installing 
things in /usr/local or /opt (in fact I want to be more obvious and create 
/apps and /data and call it a day!
OTOH I want to make sure I compile php and postgres with the options I 
need. What happens when I download the source and recompile it will install 
in /usr/local. Will Apt know what version I have? If I do a --prefix and 
install it in /var/lib/postgres and then an upgrade comes out later will it 
overwrite my custom compile. Should I just say screw it and only rely on 
apt for system and compile my own apps?


So many questions for a debian newbie where is the debian guide?

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Re: sources.list

[Bud Rogers]

On Saturday 02 December 2000 13:38, Bud Rogers wrote:

> I believe the relevant line in /etc/apt/sources.list is
>
> deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
>
> which is right out of /usr/share/doc/apt/examples.  I would
> appreciate a hint on what that line should be.

I answered my own question by browsing the directory tree at 
http://non-us.debian.org.  At about the same time, Martin Würtele was 
kind enough to answer my question off-list.

deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main 
contrib non-free

Thanks, Martin.

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LILO installation

[Franco Vecchiato]

My PC is a Pentium 200 MMX, 64 MB RAM and 10 GB HD, 
and I tried to install Debian 2.2 rev 0 (directly from CD-ROM).I think my 
Bios full supports this HD because I see 10 GB when I run it.I have a 3 GB 
bootable primary partition for Windows (system) = hda1 and a 1.5 GB logical 
partition for Windows data = "" (both FAT32); I made swap partition (= hda7) 
and a Linux native partition in the remainder of the HD (= hda6). Of course, 
during the installation cfdisk showed me that hda5, hda6 and hda7 are logical 
partitions and hda1 is a bootable primary partition.During the installation 
of LILO, the program asked me where to install it; when I chose /dev/hda, the 
reply was: "The boot partition is a logical partition ... Please select the 
partition to use.  (/dev/hda2: DOS Extended)".I tried also to change 
Windows' filesystem from FAT32 to FAT32 (LBA) in both hda1 and hda5 with Debian 
fdisk and then re-install Debian, but the result was the same.What can I do 
to install correctly LILO during Debian installation?Thanks in 
advance
 
Franco Vecchiato

Re: XFCE

[Bob Bernstein]

> "CWA" == Christopher W Aiken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

CWA> Does anyone know id there is s deb package of the XFCE WM?  I
CWA> tried an "apt-get install xfce" and it failed with a not
CWA> found.

I solve these problems by surfing to 

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

and doing a search on 'Package Directories.'

If you do that with 'xfce' and set the 'Distribution' box to 'any',
you'll see there is a version now in unstable.

If you're using stable, then I would first try to the unstabe deb, and
if there was no luck with it, I would build from source. It's very
easy to do this with xfce.

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Re: apt-get libgnomeprint

[kmself]

on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 01:50:25AM +0100, Defresne Sylvain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hello
> 
> * Some Linux User ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > i wrote previously about this. whenever i run apt-get i get stuck on this:
> > Unpacking libgnomeprint-bin (from
> > .../libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-0.1_i386.deb) ...
> > dpkg: error processing
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
> >  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gnome-font-install', which is also in
> > package libgnomeprint6
> > Unpacking libgnomeprint-data (from
> > .../libgnomeprint-data_0.25-0.1_all.deb) ...
> > dpkg: error processing
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-0.1_all.deb (--unpack):
> >  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe/pagd8a.afm', which is
> > also in package libgnomeprint6
> > dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> >  /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-bin_0.25-0.1_i386.deb
> >  /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnomeprint-data_0.25-0.1_all.deb
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> 
>   See bugs: #76751, #78414
> 
> > i have tried the 
> > dpkg --configure --pending
> > followed by 
> > apt-get -f upgrade 
> 
>   If you want to install them, uses:
>   dpkg --force-overwrite --install .deb

FWIW, this is how I got these packages installed.

> > multiple times. i have tried to delete the packages. all with no luck.
> > does anyone else have suggestion on how to either fix this problem,
> > or to make apt-get ignore those packages since it is not letting me
> > continue with either apt-get upgrade or apt-get install. thank you.
> 
>   If you want APT to invoke DPKG with the `--force-overwrite'
>   option, you have to add the following lines to your
>   /etc/apt/apt.conf file:
> 
>  DPkg
>  {
> Options {"--force-overwrite";}
>  }

Hmmm  Shouldn't there be a better way to do this -- or just don't
use apt-get when trying to do a --force-overwrite?


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Sound Blaster 16 Module

[Eileen Orbell]

Hi,

I just bought a new soundblaster 16 sound card.  I have never installed a 
kernel module so could someone help me on this please?  Actually this will 
hopefully be the first time I have sound on a Linux box.


Thanks


Eileen Orbell
Software & Internet Applications
Capitol College
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't Fear the Penguin.

mutt startup view

[Timo Benk]

Hi,

Can I configure mutt that way that the first screen is the folder view.
If I use mutt -y not every folder shows up, even if I mentioned it in the
mailboxes directive.

 Ciao,
 Timo<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: repairing corrupted kernel to boot

[Sebastiaan]

Hmm, strange. Maybe you should try to boot a rescue floppy and do the job
from there. I do not have experience yet with Debian rescue disks, but you
can also go to redhat and download the bootdisk and the rescue disk.
After you have booted, you can mount whatever you want and fix it (or do a
chroot /mnt/rootdisk).

Good luck,
Sebastiaan


On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> My potato linux partiton won't boot - I assume it was damaged by
> a series of power outages. I initially got a "crc checksum" error
> upon booting.
> 
> /boot is on /dev/hda2 & / is /dev/hda5.
> When I use the debian boot floppy ( "rescue root=/dev/hda5" )
> I get the usual startup messages, 
>then:
> VFS: mounted root ( ext2 filesystem ) readonly
> Freeing unused kernel memory: 140K freed
> 
> after the above the computer just seems to freeze. No more display
> messages, no response to the keyboard.
> 
> I can get a shell by adding "init=/bin/sash" to above boot options,
> but I get #11 kills on any commands not built into the sash shell.
> 
> If I use the boot disk, then the root disk; I can use the install
> menu's mount pre-initialized partions to mount my partitions. But
> I get seg faults when I try to compile a kernel or run lilo (including
> it's chroot option).
> 
> I'd like to get this system bootable again because I spent a good
> deal of time tweaking & configuring to my hardware. Where should I
> go from here?
> 
> jon 
> 
> 
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Re: /var/cache/apt/archives

[Rob VanFleet]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:00:55PM -0500, Christopher W Aiken wrote:
> I want to install Debian 2.2 to a second machine.  I have
> used "apt-get" to get and install a whole lot of stuff
> (over 65MB of files) on my first machine.  After I install 
> on my second machine can I copy "/var/cache/apr/archives" from 
> the first to my second machine and do a "dpkg -i *.deb" to
> install all this info?   Is there a better way?  What
> would be the "prefered way"?

I would think it would be better to copy the .deb's to /var/cache/apt/archives
on your second machine and just apt-get install the packages.  If they're in the
cache, it shouldn't try to d/l them again.

-Rob

A lilo config question

[Javier Sieben]

Hello

I'm a newbie and need to know how can I make a lilo item menu that loads the
kernel and don't execute xdm (for use the text console)?

Regards, Javier

Re: /var/cache/apt/archives

[Brian Stults]

Rob VanFleet wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:00:55PM -0500, Christopher W Aiken wrote:
> > I want to install Debian 2.2 to a second machine.  I have
> > used "apt-get" to get and install a whole lot of stuff
> > (over 65MB of files) on my first machine.  After I install
> > on my second machine can I copy "/var/cache/apr/archives" from
> > the first to my second machine and do a "dpkg -i *.deb" to
> > install all this info?   Is there a better way?  What
> > would be the "prefered way"?

Is it common for people to keep all the debs after they've been
installed.  I always delete mine (or rather I allow dselect to do it). 
If I kept all the debs that I've installed I think it would take up a
whole lot of disk space.


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Department of Sociology
University at Albany - SUNY
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dselect problem

[Javier Sieben]

Hello:

I have a problem with dselect (or was the dependencies involved). I would
use the libesd0-alsa that provides libesd0 and conflicts with libesd0.
That's Ok. I deselect libesd0 and select for install the alsa part. And then
dselect follow the dependencies and displays that gtop and others packages
from Gnome was for removal. When I reselect these packages, dselect
deselects the libesd0-alsa. How can use these library? I have a SondBlaster
Live! and can't use it.

thnx
Javier

Re: A lilo config question

[Bud Rogers]

On Saturday 02 December 2000 15:21, Javier Sieben wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm a newbie and need to know how can I make a lilo item menu that
> loads the kernel and don't execute xdm (for use the text console)?

This is not a lilo issue.  xdm is being started by the rc.d scripts.  
You can stop xdm from any root promt:

# /etc/init.d/xdm stop

If you want to prevent xdm from starting at boot, as root run:

# update-rc.d -f xdm remove

This won't remove xdm, it will just remove the symlinks that cause it 
to run automatically.  If you want to restore those later, as root run:

# update-rc.d xdm defaults

Man update-rc.d for details.

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All things in moderation.  And not too much moderation either.

Re: Best Light Web browser??

[kmself]

on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 04:55:12PM +0100, Jonathan Gift ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've tested Chimera2, Express, Arena, and gzilla. Anything else out
> there as a simple web browser capable of getting through the
> gimp-manual? Of the lot, the only one that didn't crash after 30 secs
> from Chimera2.
> 
> Any other choices aside Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, for something low
> footprint?

http://www.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/browsers.html

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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Module

[Erik Steffl]

  IMO you'd better go with alsa.

  you need to recompile the kernel with modularized sound support, but
do not pick any actual sound modules. See the docs in /usr/src/linux (or
wherever your linux kernel sources are) to see how to compile kernel.

  get the alsa stuff then, you need at least alsa-source (that's for
alsa modules) to build the modules, I just got all the alsa packages
I've found (not the obsolete ones), here's what I've got:

jojda:~>dpkg -l alsa\*|grep ^ii
ii  alsa-base  0.5.9d-5   ALSA driver common files
ii  alsa-headers   0.5.9d-5   ALSA driver header files
ii  alsa-modules-2 0.5.9c-1+1.00  Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
(drivers)
ii  alsa-modules-2 0.5.9d-4+jojda Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
(drivers)
ii  alsa-source0.5.9d-5   ALSA driver source
ii  alsa-utils 0.5.9b-1   Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
(utils)
ii  alsaconf   0.4.3b-3   ALSA configurator

  see the docs for alsa source on how to build alsa modules, the docs
are in usualy place /usr/doc/alsa-source

  it's all pretty painless but read the docs carefully.

erik

Eileen Orbell wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just bought a new soundblaster 16 sound card.  I have never installed a
> kernel module so could someone help me on this please?  Actually this will
> hopefully be the first time I have sound on a Linux box.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Eileen Orbell
> Software & Internet Applications
> Capitol College
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Don't Fear the Penguin.
> 
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RE: A lilo config question

[Javier Sieben]

-Mensaje original-
De: Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: Debian User 
Fecha: Sábado, 02 de Diciembre de 2000 06:38 p.m.
Asunto: Re: A lilo config question


>On Saturday 02 December 2000 15:21, Javier Sieben wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> I'm a newbie and need to know how can I make a lilo item menu that
>> loads the kernel and don't execute xdm (for use the text console)?
>
>This is not a lilo issue.  xdm is being started by the rc.d scripts.
>You can stop xdm from any root promt:
>
># /etc/init.d/xdm stop
>
>If you want to prevent xdm from starting at boot, as root run:
>
># update-rc.d -f xdm remove
>
>This won't remove xdm, it will just remove the symlinks that cause it
>to run automatically.  If you want to restore those later, as root run:
>
># update-rc.d xdm defaults
>
>Man update-rc.d for details.
>
>--
>Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/zamm.html
>All things in moderation.  And not too much moderation either.
>


Yes, it goes, but as in the Corel Linux has graphical and text starts. I
think that it can be made with the runlevel (as I viewed when I installed
Login.app). But I can't find how make it.

Thanks
Javier

Re: A lilo config question

[Erik Steffl]

  1) you can also create a lilo entry that will boot debian into a run
level that does not start xdm.

  2) you can also specify run level at lilo prompt during boot

  3) the other option is to change default run level to a run level that
does not start xdm, see /etc/nittab and look for lines like thses:

# The default runlevel.
id:2:initdefault:

  I'd go with option 3) since it is most portable way, most unices have
a way to specify default runlevel and run levels are used for different
start-up configurations.

  The sad thing is that xdm is started in all runlevels (except of
single user, reboot, and halt):

jojda:~>find /etc -name \*xdm
/etc/init.d/xdm
/etc/rc0.d/K01xdm
/etc/rc1.d/K01xdm
/etc/rc2.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc3.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc4.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc5.d/S99xdm
/etc/rc6.d/K01xdm
/etc/pam.d/xdm
/etc/X11/xdm

  isn't that quite broken default? I mean traditionally there is some
regular (multi-user, all networking stuff up) run level that starts X
and run level that does not start X. What's the point of having
different run levels if all of them are same?

  anyway, you can always delete S99xdm in runlevel that you want to use
as console only run level.

erik

Bud Rogers wrote:
> 
> On Saturday 02 December 2000 15:21, Javier Sieben wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > I'm a newbie and need to know how can I make a lilo item menu that
> > loads the kernel and don't execute xdm (for use the text console)?
> 
> This is not a lilo issue.  xdm is being started by the rc.d scripts.
> You can stop xdm from any root promt:
> 
> # /etc/init.d/xdm stop
> 
> If you want to prevent xdm from starting at boot, as root run:
> 
> # update-rc.d -f xdm remove
> 
> This won't remove xdm, it will just remove the symlinks that cause it
> to run automatically.  If you want to restore those later, as root run:
> 
> # update-rc.d xdm defaults
> 
> Man update-rc.d for details.
> 
> --
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> All things in moderation.  And not too much moderation either.
> 
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Re: XFCE

[Moritz Schulte]

Bob Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]
> you'll see there is a version now in unstable.
> 
> If you're using stable, then I would first try to the unstabe deb, and
> if there was no luck with it, I would build from source. It's very
> easy to do this with xfce.
[...]

Or build the binary debs for your system from the source debs in
woody.

moritz
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Voodoo 3, XFree 4.0 and DRI

[Michael Sauer]

Can anybody tell me, what I have to install / configure to have a working
GL-lib based on DRI with hardware acceleration?

mfg
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RE: A lilo config question

[Javier Sieben]

-Mensaje original-
De: Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: Debian User 
Fecha: Sábado, 02 de Diciembre de 2000 07:01 p.m.
Asunto: Re: A lilo config question


>  1) you can also create a lilo entry that will boot debian into a run
>level that does not start xdm.
>
>  2) you can also specify run level at lilo prompt during boot
>
>  3) the other option is to change default run level to a run level that
>does not start xdm, see /etc/nittab and look for lines like thses:
>
># The default runlevel.
>id:2:initdefault:
>


Yes, but how pass the runlevel in lilo? Use the "append" clause?

Thanks, Erik.
Javier

Re: XFCE

[Bob Bernstein]

> "MS" == Moritz Schulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

MS> Or build the binary debs for your system from the source debs
MS> in woody.

Thanks. For some reason, in all the years I've been using Debian, that
is a method I have never used. (I think I once futzed around with a
lynx src deb, to get it to do passive ftp.)

I'm off to read the FAQ and give it a try! Any pitfalls the unwary and
perhaps overly ambitious amateur should keep in mind? 

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laptop install

[Jane Rose]

I am having problems installing Debian 2.1 on my Toshiba 2545xcdt.  I am
unable to boot either from the rescue disk or the CD ROM "Debian
GNU/Linux."  "root.bin.." loads but linux seizes up.  Any suggestions??

--
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Re: A lilo config question

[Erik Steffl]

Javier Sieben wrote:
> 
> -Mensaje original-
> De: Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: Debian User 
> Fecha: Sábado, 02 de Diciembre de 2000 07:01 p.m.
> Asunto: Re: A lilo config question
> 
> >  1) you can also create a lilo entry that will boot debian into a run
> >level that does not start xdm.
> >
> >  2) you can also specify run level at lilo prompt during boot
> >
> >  3) the other option is to change default run level to a run level that
> >does not start xdm, see /etc/nittab and look for lines like thses:
> >
> ># The default runlevel.
> >id:2:initdefault:
> >
> 
> Yes, but how pass the runlevel in lilo? Use the "append" clause?

  if you want to start without xdm just occasionally:

  on lilo prompt, append the number of desired runlevel after the lilo
item, for example if you defined entry labeled 'linux' then type:

LILO: linux 4

  to boot into run level 4. IIRC, it might be slightly different, see
lilo docs.

  if you want to (almost) always start without xdm, change the default
run level in /etc/inittab, do not use lilo for this.

  simply edit the line in /etc/inittab that looks like the one quoted
above (id:2:initdefault:) and change 2 to another number. But make sure
to delete S99xdm in the given runlevel (/etc/rcN.d, where N is 0 - 6),
for example, to make the run level 4 be the console only run level, do:

  rm /etc/rc4.d/S99xdm

  and change the line in /etc/inittab to:

d:4:initdefault:

  not sure which run level is traditionally the ne without X, it does
not matter much as long as you remeber which one it is (or how to find
out).

erik

RE: A lilo config question

[Javier Sieben]

-Mensaje original-
De: Oliver Elphick 
Para: Javier Sieben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fecha: Sábado, 02 de Diciembre de 2000 06:23 p.m.
Asunto: Re: A lilo config question


>"Javier Sieben" wrote:
>  >Hello
>  >
>  >I'm a newbie and need to know how can I make a lilo item menu that loads
the
>  >kernel and don't execute xdm (for use the text console)?
>
>Lilo is the wrong place to look.  Lilo is a boot loader, whose job is to
>choose which operating system to load.
>
>If you don't want to run xdm, remove the xdm package - simple.
>
>If, for some reason, you don't want to do that, become root, run
>"/etc/init.d/xdm stop" and finally, edit /etc/init.d/xdm and
>put "exit 0" at line 2.
>
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>  removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
>  neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed,
>  saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee."
>Isaiah 54:10
>
>
>

Hello Oliver

I don't unlink the xdm. I will make a second menu item at the lilo boot
allowing for graphical or text work. I viewed it when I try to use the Corel
distribution.

Thanks, Oliver.
Javier

Re:

[mikpolniak]

On ,  said:

> Hi,
>  
>  I just bought a new soundblaster 16 sound card.  I have never installed a 
>  kernel module so could someone help me on this please?  Actually this will 
>  hopefully be the first time I have sound on a Linux box.
>  
I installed a Creative soundblaster last week and all it took
was a modprobe es1371. This driver is usually included in the
kernel config.
You can grep the config file in your /boot for CONFIG_SOUND
and check for es1370 and es1371. If you have them just try the
modprobe.

Re: Sound Blaster 16 Module

[mikpolniak]

On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:10:32 -0500, Eileen Orbell said:

> Hi,
>  
>  I just bought a new soundblaster 16 sound card.  I have never installed a 
>  kernel module so could someone help me on this please?  Actually this will 
>  hopefully be the first time I have sound on a Linux box.
>   
>   
I installed a Creative soundblaster last week and all it took
was a modprobe es1371. This driver is usually included in the
kernel config.
You can grep the config file in your /boot for CONFIG_SOUND
and check for es1370 and es1371. If you have them just try the
modprobe.

debianhelp.org is down?

[QBA]

Hi,

There is a link to www.debianHELP.org on www.debian.org/related_links#misclinux
but when I clicked on it I got message 'Cannot open the HTTP connection to 
www.debianhelp.org port 80; [No route to host].' Can anyone tell me
what is going on with this host. And btw, is it a good site for debian user?
(or maybe it was?)
Thanks for help,

QBA

RE: A lilo config question

[Javier Sieben]

-Mensaje original-
De: Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: debian-user 
Fecha: Sábado, 02 de Diciembre de 2000 07:23 p.m.
Asunto: Re: A lilo config question


>Javier Sieben wrote:


Is much easier in this form.

Thanks, Erik.
Javier

Re: Partitioning disk

[kmself]

on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:38:25PM -0500, S . Salman Ahmed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> > "EB" == Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> EB>  On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 08:17:23AM -0200, Christoph Simon
> EB> wrote:
> >>  Wouldn't it be nice to give it more use even today. Maybe
> >> someone can find a way to have the stable distribution in the
> >> main tree and the unstable in local. There seem to be many people
> >> using stable, but wishing to get also individual packets from
> >> unstable, not for testing purposes.  This might be a real
> >> challenge for the debian packaging system!
> EB>  not really, it is quite common for debian developers to have
> EB> either a stable or unstable system in a chroot, for example
> EB> developers who have moved to woody create a potato install in
> EB> /usr/local/potato.  when they need to compile a package for
> EB> potato (bug fix or security) they just mount
> EB> /usr/local/potato/proc and chroot in.  you can even have init
> EB> spawn a chrooted getty so you can `login' to potato. (actually
> EB> one of the newer Debian systems allows developers to ssh in to
> EB> either a potato or a woody system running on the same box.
> EB> (sharing only the same running kernel))
> EB> 
> EB> all you really have to do is untar base2_2.tgz, chroot in and
> EB> start out just like a fresh installed debian system. apt-get and
> EB> all work just fine.
> 
> Is there a HOWTO (or sth similar to one) explaining how to setup sth
> like this ? I am not at all familiar with chroot (or chroot jails), but
> the idea of having stable and unstable on the same machine is very
> interesting.

Read the chroot man pages and start playing with it.

A "chroot jail" is just another way of referring to what happens when
you execute chroot.  The process(es) spawned from this point are
restricted to a subset of the filesystem, aka, in a "jail".

If this jail contains a full operating environment, there's not too much
difference between this and an independetly booted GNU/Linux system, at
least from userland.  There are some administrative differences,
however -- you're still running a single kernel, and a single set of
administrative applications.

> Any sources of information on how I could go about setting this up
> starting from either an existing potato or woody system ?

Get yourself an installation tree and start playing with it.

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Re: laptop install

[kmself]

on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 05:17:42PM -0500, Jane Rose ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I am having problems installing Debian 2.1 on my Toshiba 2545xcdt.  I am
> unable to boot either from the rescue disk or the CD ROM "Debian
> GNU/Linux."  "root.bin.." loads but linux seizes up.  Any suggestions??

I'd suggest debian-laptops is a better spot for this.

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Re: Which gives an error message.

[Brenda J. Butler]

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Tim,
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:43:57PM -0800, Tim Uckun wrote:
> I am having an odd problem when I type which "something" it says
> shell-init: could not get directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
> directories: nosuch file or directory
> 
> Can anybody clue me in as to why it does this? Do I need to install it all 
> over again?

You have removed the directory that you have changed to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ 543 $ which something
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ 544 $ cd xx
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/xx 545 $ mkdir yy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/xx 546 $ cd yy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/xx/yy 547 $ (cd ..; rmdir yy)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/xx/yy 548 $ which something
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/xx/yy 549 $ cd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ 550 $ which something
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ 551 $ 

You have only to execute "cd" to get to your home directory and you
will be able to execute "which" again.

If it is your home directory that has been removed, then you can
cd /tmp to get to an existing directory and you will be able to run
commands again.

If neither "cd /tmp" nor "cd" works, then likely you will have
to reinstall again.



By the way, your question appears as a reply to an unrelated
thread in the list.  If you want to post a new question, you should
create a new message rather than replying to an existing one.
Then your question will appear as an unanswered question instead
of as an answer to a different question, and you might get
more (and better) answers.

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Re: /var/cache/apt/archives

[Rob VanFleet]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 04:33:23PM -0500, Brian Stults wrote:
> Is it common for people to keep all the debs after they've been
> installed.  I always delete mine (or rather I allow dselect to do it). 
> If I kept all the debs that I've installed I think it would take up a
> whole lot of disk space.

I just keep the most recent, just in case.  The best way to get rid of them is
do an "apt-get clean".

-Rob

apt-get & apache init script problems.

[horton]

Hello, while trying to remove sendmail from my box, I get this error with 
apt-get remove sendmail:


Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  sendmail 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 2388kB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
(Reading database ... 38652 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing sendmail ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute pre-removal script: Exec format error
dpkg: error processing sendmail (--remove):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 sendmail
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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Does anyone know how I can completely remove sendmail from my box? I'd 
appreciate some help!

Also, where can I get an apache init script? When I installed the apache/woody, 
I never got one... Does anyone know where I can get it? 

Thank you in advance!

Jason

Re: swap size

[kmself]

on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:01:44PM -0600, Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 09:35:16PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > a couple of days ago a was configuring a bunch of boxes with 1G ram
> > and i allocated 1G of swap, because my boss said so.  a co-worker then
> > told me that the appropriate amount of swap to allocate should be
> > twice the ram.  i really don't see the point of having the swap to be
> > twice the size of ram, especially since i have 1G of it.  there must
> > be a point of diminishing return regarding swap allocation.  is there
> > even a point of allocating swap on a system with 1G ram if so what's
> > the magic size?
> 
> As others have said, you only need what you're going to use and the 2xRAM rule
> is largely obsolete these days.  As data points, I run two Linux workstations,
> both are configured as development stations using WindowMaker and primarly
> run Eterms, XMMS, gcc, and Netscape, plus a horde of dockapps.  The one at
> home is set up with 128M RAM + 128M swap; the one at work has 256M RAM and
> no swap.  Both work great and never have any memory shortages.

There's one advantage to a 2x or 3x rule, which is what I'd used in the
past.

First, in sizing your swap partitions, it probably makes more sense to
allocate more swap for systems on the lower end of the "currently
typical" memory allocation spectrum.  Which means that in another couple
of years, we might be advocating 2-3 GB of swap for a system with 1-2 GB
of physical memory, particularly if applications follow typical trends
toward bloat.  On the positive side, GNU/Linux, network-oriented
applications, web-enabled apps, handhelds, and related developments,
have made thin applications once again compelling.

The advantage:  it's easier to add memory (pop in a few sticks) than to
reassign and repartition disk.  If you start off a system with 2-3x
memory as swap, you'll have some proportional room to fill as you
ratchet up your memory over time.  I've gone from roughly three times
swap to 1.5 times as I've upped my system memory from 96 MB to 256 MB.
I've still got a healthy proportion, without having to repartition.

Agreement in general with others' comments:  swap is a buffer to extend
your system.  You don't need more than you need, but when you need it,
it's nice to have.

In tight situations, you can always add swapfiles as an emergency
measure, though these are less efficient than dedicated partitions.

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Re: hda not recognized during install

[Rogerio Brito]

On Dec 01 2000, Hannes Schuddel wrote:
> My harddisk is not recognized during bootup so 
> I am not able to install the system from harddisk. 
> 
> I use an ASUS A7V mainboard, 
> with ata100 controller
> and Maxtor DMax 5400/512 harddisk.

I have this exact motherboard and it is really impressive how
much things it's got. Unfortunately, it seems to not be
possible to install potato with the Promise ATA/100 controller
with stock disks, but this is not really a problem.

Just put your HD on the primary interface (which is an ATA/66
controller) and install everything from there. Then, after
your system is up and running, grab the source of the kernel
from your closest mirror, apply André Hedrick's IDE patch
backported to 2.2.17 (you can get this patch from
), select support for the Promise
controller, compile your kernel, install it (copy the kernel
to a diskette also, just in case), move your drive to the
Promise controller and be happy using your ATA/100 interface.

> Any help would be appreciated.

I hope this helps you.


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Re: swap size

[Christoph Simon]

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:41:02 -0800
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> on Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:01:44PM -0600, Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 09:35:16PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > a couple of days ago a was configuring a bunch of boxes with 1G ram
> > > and i allocated 1G of swap, because my boss said so.  a co-worker then
> > > told me that the appropriate amount of swap to allocate should be
> > > twice the ram.  i really don't see the point of having the swap to be
> > > twice the size of ram, especially since i have 1G of it.  there must
> > > be a point of diminishing return regarding swap allocation.  is there
> > > even a point of allocating swap on a system with 1G ram if so what's
> > > the magic size?

1GB is lots of RAM. As you are talking about a bunch of boxes, what I
would try to do is to set up one box with a swap say twice this and
run the box as it is going to be used. The program free(1) can show
how much memory/swap is being used. I have no idea what these machines
will be used for, but my nose tells me that you are not using 1GB. Try
to observe this a reasonable amount of time.  If it never reaches
swap, say 500MB, you could do it perfectly without swap. If you come
close to use all, adding 1GB of swap should be more than plenty.

[...]

> The advantage:  it's easier to add memory (pop in a few sticks) than to
> reassign and repartition disk.  If you start off a system with 2-3x
> memory as swap, you'll have some proportional room to fill as you
> ratchet up your memory over time.  I've gone from roughly three times
> swap to 1.5 times as I've upped my system memory from 96 MB to 256 MB.
> I've still got a healthy proportion, without having to repartition.

IMHO 1GB is not really a low-end system nowadays; I believe that
before upgrading memory of such a system, you'll be upgrading the
whole machine. On the other hand, Linux has no troubles with more than
one swap partition; you can even use swap files. The point here is,
that a system actually using so much RAM would not easily go by with
the lack of speed using constant swap. Again IMHO, I wouldn't worry
too much about upgrades; you need it working now.

> In tight situations, you can always add swapfiles as an emergency
> measure, though these are less efficient than dedicated partitions.

You could even add a whole HD just for swap (if really needed).

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XF86Config Missing

[Mike]

Hi,

My friend has just reinstalled Debian Potato and upgraded to woody but 
XF86Config seems to be missing so he cant configure x4 for his videocard. He 
has a geforce 2 so he needs to use xfree4. It also seems to be missing on my 
on my woody installation as well. It used to be there but it isnt now. What 
package contains XF86Config because it must have been removed when i do my 
daily upgrade.

Mike

Kernel error

[Eileen Orbell]

Hi,

I am trying to recompile my kernel and keep coming up with a error:

Basically I downloaded the latest kernel and unzipped it..
Ran make xconfig
make dep
make bzImage

On make bzImage I get this error at the end:
as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsec.s
make[1] as86: Command not found
make[1] *** [bootsec.o] error 127
make zimage Error2

Am I doing something wrong here?  Thanks for any help on this matter...

Eileen