Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Gregg C]

From: "S.Salman Ahmed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody
Date: Tue,  5 Sep 2000 00:58:46 -0400

> "OM" == Olaf Meeuwissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> split /usr amd /usr/local if they're just partitions on the same
>> drive?  > I could see doing that if they were on seperate disks
>> to gain a little bump > in access speed.
>>
>> so if you decide to reinstall the OS clean you can run mkfs on /
>> /usr /var and any /tmps without losing locally compiled software
>> and user home directories (/home)
OM>  Another reason would be if you wanted to mount /usr read-only
OM> but not /usr/local.
OM>

Why would you want to mount /usr read-only ?

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to help keep unauthorized changes to /usr from being made. Also, you could 
remotely mount /usr from a server.

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Re: search contents of a tar.gz

[kmself]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:10:50PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Brian Stults <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is there a way to search the contents of a tar.gz file withouth having
> > to extract everything.  Specifically, I want to determine the disc-id of
> > an audio CD, so I downloaded the freedb database in tar.gz format.  Of
> > course, it's a very large file.  I would like to grep the contents to
> > find the CD that I'm looking for, but I don't want to extract
> > everything.  I thought there would be a series of piped commands that
> > would allow me to do it, but I can't figure it out.
> 
> tar -tzf file.tar.gz | grep something

Note that this requires processing the archive (including uncompressing
it), but that data need not be stored persistantly anywhere.  This
should fit the parameters of the request, but if the question is "can I
avoid decompression CPU overhead, the answer is "no".

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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Dave Thayer]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:58:46AM -0400, S.Salman Ahmed wrote:
> Why would you want to mount /usr read-only ?

In addition to the security issues mentioned by other posters, for 
those of us without a UPS mounting large partitions r-o can save waiting
for fsck to do its thing after a power flicker. It can be helpful to put
anything which doesn't change frequently such as mp3 collections, apt
archives, etc. on r-o partitions and only remount them r-w as needed.

your pal dave

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Re: search contents of a tar.gz

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

kmself@ix.netcom.com writes:

> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:10:50PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> > Brian Stults <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Is there a way to search the contents of a tar.gz file withouth
> having
> > > to extract everything.  Specifically, I want to determine the
> disc-id of
> > > an audio CD, so I downloaded the freedb database in tar.gz format.
> Of
> > > course, it's a very large file.  I would like to grep the contents
> to
> > > find the CD that I'm looking for, but I don't want to extract
> > > everything.  I thought there would be a series of piped commands
> that
> > > would allow me to do it, but I can't figure it out.
> > 
> > tar -tzf file.tar.gz | grep something
> 
> Note that this requires processing the archive (including uncompressing
> it), but that data need not be stored persistantly anywhere.  This
> should fit the parameters of the request, but if the question is "can I
> avoid decompression CPU overhead, the answer is "no".

True.  I had developed a habit of first running `tar -tzf` after I got
hit by a few archives that didn't extract into their own directory and
puked all over the current one, until I found out about `tar -C`.

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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

"S.Salman Ahmed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > "OM" == Olaf Meeuwissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> split /usr amd /usr/local if they're just partitions on the same
> >> drive?  > I could see doing that if they were on seperate disks
> >> to gain a little bump > in access speed.
> >> 
> >> so if you decide to reinstall the OS clean you can run mkfs on /
> >> /usr /var and any /tmps without losing locally compiled software
> >> and user home directories (/home)
> OM>  Another reason would be if you wanted to mount /usr read-only
> OM> but not /usr/local.
> OM> 
> 
> Why would you want to mount /usr read-only ?

As others have mentioned already: a little bit of extra protection
against root shooting itself in the foot while allowing 'staff' to
play around in /usr/local nevertheless.
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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Ethan Benson]

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:39:37PM -0600, Dave Thayer wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:58:46AM -0400, S.Salman Ahmed wrote:
> > Why would you want to mount /usr read-only ?
> 
> In addition to the security issues mentioned by other posters, for 
> those of us without a UPS mounting large partitions r-o can save waiting
> for fsck to do its thing after a power flicker. It can be helpful to put
> anything which doesn't change frequently such as mp3 collections, apt
> archives, etc. on r-o partitions and only remount them r-w as needed.

and add this to your /etc/apt/apt.conf to make the remount automatic
when you use apt-get to install or upgrade something:

// Auto re-mounting of a readonly /usr
Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,rw /usr";};
Post-Invoke {"suidregister";};
Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount,ro /usr";};

the suidregister thing fixes my customized permissions for
suidregister unaware packages so the cron job don't complain about
failing to do so at 6:25.  

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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[kmself]

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:49:27PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

> These are optional.
> /opt   2048 MB   No suid. Place to play with non vendor stuff

Symlink to /usr/local instead.  Simpler space management, fewer
partitions.

> /var/spool   12 GB   No  suid This is where my news spool and my mirrors live

Yes.

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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[kmself]

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:56:02PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote:

> Well, I have think the following organization:
> 
> / of 100 mb in a primary partition at the beginning of the disk, so
>   lilo or grub can boot it.
> /usr of 3 gb (no comments... but should it be bigger?)
> /usr/local of 1,5 gb (to install quake data, staroffice, etc)
> /tmp of 150 mb
> /var 250 mb (/var/cache/apt/archives will go in another place, as
>  explained below)
> /home of 1 gb (I'm the only user in the system)
> /misc in the rest of the disk. I pretent to put here several
>   subdirectories, as music (my mp3 collection), photos (some
>   photos I have), and a link to /var/cache/apt/archives. I also
>   would like to store here several other files, like tar ones.

Lose /misc, add it to /home.  Maybe keep an odd gig or so around for
utility space.

> And at last, I forgot it, a swap partition of 128 mb (I have 128 mb of
> ram currently). But where I should place it physically on the disk ?

I prefer 2x, or even 3x phyiscal RAM as swap, to 2 GB max.  It's cheap
insurance against really bad memory leaks.  Placement:  middle of disk
should minimize head movement.

My own partitioning preferences follow.


The following is my recommended partitioning for a typical
workstation/server Debian GNU/Linux x86 box:


/   50 - 100 MB
/tmp50 - 100 MB
/var200 - 500 MB
/usr1 - 2+  GB
/usr/local  1 - 2+  GB
/home   remainder


Swap:

I go with 3x physical RAM, in two or three seperate swap partitions,
to a maximum of 2 GB (Linux can't handle more than 2GB RAM
currently).  This is more swap than you'll probably want to be using
on a typical basis (eg:  if you're filling *all* your swap,
something's wrong).  OTOH, it also provides you a buffer when the
system *does* go into a memory-overrun condition.  Typically, things
will get so slow that you'll notice something's wrong.  The extra
swap should buy you time to shut down the offending process(es).
Other sources say to provide 2x physical RAM.  VA Linux configures
its servers with 1x physical RAM.


Primary, Extended, & Logical partitions:

Linux really doesn't care.  IIRC, MS WinXX prefers a single primary
partition, so you may want to set things up this way if you're
multi-booting.  I tend to create three primary partitions, one
extended, and the remainder physical.  / usually goes on the first
partition and is marked bootable.  YMMV.


Allocation variations

/:  A minimal installation can fit in 30 MB or less.  If you're
using more than ~50 MB, you've probably included something in your
root partition you don't need.

/tmp:  Values suggested should work for most systems.  /tmp is
system temporary storage.  If you've got specific applications with
very large temporary storage requirements (eg:  database, analytic
tools, multimedia), you're better off allocating storage to these
needs specifically.

/var:  if you're running extensiver services (news, mail, website),
you may want to increase this allotment significantly.  Often
various /var/spool subdirectories become their own partitions.  Such
partitions may consume hundreds of MBs to multiple GBs.

/usr:  A minimal installation can fit in a few hundred MB or less.
Likewise, if you have to install *all* packages and docs, you may
find 2GB is too thin, consider doubling the allocation.  Tune to
your needs.

/usr/src, /usr/local/src: depending on space constraints and
variability, you may want to create these as seperate partitions.

/usr/local:  This is where software installed directly by you, outside 
of the Debian packaging system, goes.  Tarballs, binary non-deb
installations, and locally built software.  Again, if you're
installing lots of stuff or very large packages, you could easilly
utilize several GB of space.

OtherOS:  If you have a multi-boot system, you'll want to allocate
space for other OSs as appropriate.  Tools such as VMWare and Samba
may allow you to both run and access these partitions natively from
within Linux.

Subpartitioning.  I'm running a set of (now) relatively small
drives -- 2/2.4 GB each.  As a result I've split out several
subdirectories of /usr and parked them on other paritions.  While
this is possible, it's probably generally best *not* to subdivide
your filesystems overly much -- it does increase system complexity
and management.  Unless this is required by space constraints, I'd
suggest not doing it.  But if you need the option, it's there.


Filesystem Layout

The following are simply my preferences and/or recommendations.

/opt -> /usr/local   I recommend making this link as it rationalizes
spac

RE: sendmail reports I/O problem

[J.T. Wenting]

> >I mean, I pay for their service, regardless of how intensively I use it.
>
> Let me guess: "unlimited (fair use)" or friends somewhere in the
>  contract? That´s a marketing gag, nothing else. Most, if not all, ISPs
>  have a *very* clear idea what "fair use" is in GB/month...real flat
>  rates are *expensive*, at least here in europe.
>
yes, but unless the contract specifically states the maximum, they cannot
legally enforce it (at least not here).
Best thing to do if you are cut of and there is no specific clause in the
contract is to threaten to go to a consumer orginisation. This will usually
make them remove the block, the last thing they want is bad publicity.
And KPN earns quite a bit from all those bytes that are transmitted, you
know :)

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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway

Re: New installation (again!)

[Åsmund Ødegård]

Tue, 05 Sep skrev Helgi Örn:
> Greetings all ye Debians!
> 
> I gave it another go; installed Debian 2.2 'potato', this time only a
> minimal installation although with GNOME, which turned out to be a flop
> of course:
> 
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> gmc
> gnome-control-center
> gnome-help
[snip]
> GNOME turned out to be one small terminal (without a frame) in the upper
> left corner of the screen, on a neutral- grey background, nothing else.

If you really want to use GNOME, just skip gnome when you install debian, then
add 'deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main'
to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update and 
apt-get install task-gnome-desktop. I guess that's closer to what you want.
But, hey I'm not sure how well this works with potato, maybe you have to use
woody. 

> 
> -
[snip lp]
> --
> 
> wvdial didn't find the modem (I'm used to wvdial 'always' finding the
> modem on first attempt!) which is a Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO on
> ttyS0.

Hmm, do you try this as root or as a normal user? Maybe you have to add your
self into the group which own the device.

> 
> ---
> 
> Window Maker seems to be the default window manager, what happened to
> fvwm? I can't find it on the CDROM.

It should be there if this is an official Debian potato cd. At least the file
~debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/x11/fvwm_2.2.4-2.deb exist in my
potato-mirror.

> ---
> 
> I will be very grateful for all hints that can help me configuring this
> wild potato.

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RE: Debian vs. Red Hat

[J.T. Wenting]

> >
> > That makes RedHat seem like Windows.
>
> redhat is a Windows clone built with GNU/Linux technology.
>
always suspected as much...
They even have a RedHat Certified Engineer program... MCSE for Linux,
anyone?

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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway

Re: search contents of a tar.gz

[mcclosk]

|> Is there a way to search the contents of a tar.gz file withouth
|> having to extract everything.  Specifically, I want to determine
|> the disc-id of an audio CD, so I downloaded the freedb database in
|> tar.gz format.  Of course, it's a very large file.  I would like to
|> grep the contents to find the CD that I'm looking for, but I don't
|> want to extract everything.  I thought there would be a series of
|> piped commands that would allow me to do it, but I can't figure it
|> out.

If you use emacs, you can just visit the compressed tar file and
operate on it like any directory-tree. For example, put FOO.tar.gz in
some directory DIR. Ctl-x d DIR to run dired (the directory editor) on
DIR, move the cursor to FOO.tar.gz and type f. The contents of the
tarball will be displayed in the dired buffer and you can operate on
the files as if they had been uncompressed and extracted from the
archive, even though they haven't.

Jim

"Joe" editor

[Adrian Nims]

I didn't found the editor "joe" in Debian. I used "joe" in other
distribution and I like to use it in Debian also. Can someone give me an
advice ? What can I do ?

Adrian Nims

Re: "Joe" editor

[John L . Fjellstad]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:28:23AM +0300, Adrian Nims wrote:
> I didn't found the editor "joe" in Debian. I used "joe" in other
> distribution and I like to use it in Debian also. Can someone give me an
> advice ? What can I do ?

apt-get install joe?

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apt-get install task

[John Griffiths]

g'day all

can someone explain how i would get a list of tasks for 
apt-get install task-***?

thanks

nVidia geForce + X == error?

[J.T. Wenting]

Is there an X server for geForce cards (specifically Asus V.6600)? 
Probing during Debian install did not detect a compatible card, it said...

Jeroen T. Wenting
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway 

OT: flat rates (Re: sendmail reports I/O problem)

[Robert Waldner]

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 08:01:53 +0200, "J.T. Wenting" writes:
>> >I mean, I pay for their service, regardless of how intensively I use it.
>>
>> Let me guess: "unlimited (fair use)" or friends somewhere in the
>>  contract? That´s a marketing gag, nothing else. Most, if not all, ISPs
>>  have a *very* clear idea what "fair use" is in GB/month...real flat
>>  rates are *expensive*, at least here in europe.
>>
>yes, but unless the contract specifically states the maximum, they cannot
>legally enforce it (at least not here).

Common practice for such "bad boys" is to either have them "grade up" 
 to a volume based business account or to simply terminate the contract 
 (read the AUP and the clauses in the contract, there are phrases like 
 "unusual usage" or "ISP may terminate with the end of every calendar 
 month" in every consumer contract I ever read). Good ISPs at least 
 define clearly what they mean with "fair use", though ususally not in 
 on the front page or in the prospects.

>And KPN earns quite a bit from all those bytes that are transmitted, you
>know :)

s/KPN/KPNQwest/ ;-)

I know, but nevertheless I like clear statements, even if that means 
 volume/bandwidth-based billing.

cheers,
&rw
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Re: apt-get install task

[Åsmund Ødegård]

Tue, 05 Sep skrev John Griffiths:
> g'day all
> 
> can someone explain how i would get a list of tasks for 
> apt-get install task-***?

apt-cache pkgnames | grep task may be suitable for you?

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Re: upgrading kernel

[Oliver Elphick]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
  >kernel upgrades are independent of distribution.
  >
  >> So that's my goal...  what do I do to update to the newest kernel
  >> Debian's got on their FTP? =20
  >
  >If you want to use a compiled image:
  >
  >$ apt-get install kernel-image
  >
  >If you prefer to roll your own:
  >
  >$ apt-get install kernel-source
 
You have to add the kernel version number that you want:
kernel-image-2.2.17 or kernel-source-2.2.17, for example.

Each kernel release is a separate package.

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Re: apt-get install task

[John Griffiths]

thank you very much

i new about apt-cache but not that it could be used this way

At 08:41 AM 9/5/2000 +0200, Åsmund Ødegård wrote:
>
>Tue, 05 Sep skrev John Griffiths:
>> g'day all
>> 
>> can someone explain how i would get a list of tasks for 
>> apt-get install task-***?
>
>apt-cache pkgnames | grep task may be suitable for you?
>
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gcd (playing audio CDs)

[Ian Zimmerman]

Hi, I installed the gcd package and I was able to play music CDs that
way.  However, when gcd is running and there's no disc in the drive, I
get a constant stream of the following in the logs:

Sep  4 02:20:08 kronstadt kernel: ATAPI device hdc:
Sep  4 02:20:08 kronstadt kernel:   Unknown Error Type: (reserved) -- (Sense 
key=0x08)
Sep  4 02:20:08 kronstadt kernel:   (reserved error code) -- (asc=0x08, 
ascq=0x08)
Sep  4 02:20:08 kronstadt kernel:   The failed "Read Subchannel" packet command 
was: 
Sep  4 02:20:08 kronstadt kernel:   "42 02 40 01 00 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 "

This is repeated every second, exactly the same values :-(

I am now scared to play even though is seems to "work", because I
remember that my previous CD-ROM drive (also IDE/ATAPI) stopped
working (for music _and_ data) shortly after I installed another audio
disc player (a text/curses based one) with similar symptoms.

The drive works perfectly for reading filesystem data.

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Burn in an ethernet device

[Adrian Nims]

I recompiled the kernel, I introduced an "append" line in lilo.conf in order
to burn in an ethernet device. At reboot, the sistem (debian) see the
ethernet board as eth0, everything seems OK but after boot, when i say
"ifconfig" it appears to me only the loopback device.
   What must I do in order to make this ethernet device running and give it
an IP address ?

Adrian Nims

Re: multi line isdn

[Sebastian Moerchen]

Attila Csosz wrote:
> 
> I've connect with ISDN to the internet. I've 128K capable line(s) but I've
> only 64K connection.
> 
> I've the following devices/files in /etc/isdn
> 
> total 45
> -rw-r--r--1 root root12080 ÁPR  9 02:09 device.ippp0
> -rw-r--r--1 root root 8134 ÁPR 18 14:46 init.d.functions
> -rw-r--r--1 root root 7480 MÁR 22 18:17 
> init.d.functions.dpkg-old
> -rw-r--r--1 root root 4260 MÁR 11 13:02 ipppd.ippp0
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  906 MÁR  2 10:16 xisdnload-netdown
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  701 MÁR  2 10:16 xisdnload-netup
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  662 MÁR  2 10:16 xmonisdn-netdown
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  637 MÁR  2 10:16 xmonisdn-netup
> 
> In the ipppd.ippp0 I've a line with '+mp'( I uncommented it ).
> 
> Thanks for any help
>  Attila
> 
> 

Hi,
I dont really now how to do this by hand (I think you would need a second device
(ippp1) and trigger dialing on that device too.

I use the Program kisdn (www.kisdn.de, shareware, but free personal edition)
which enabled me to use two lines very easily.

Maybe that helps...

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Re: apt-get install task

[Eric G . Miller]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:45:08PM +1000, John Griffiths wrote:
> thank you very much
> 
> i new about apt-cache but not that it could be used this way

See also 'apt-get install tasksel' -- Can call it to select from
predefined "task" options.

Most of these tasks install gobs of stuff you may never use.  You have
been warned ;)

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Re: New installation (again!)

[Helgi Örn]

Thank you!
Several useful things for me to work on.

HÖ


"Eric G . Miller" wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:14:22AM +0200, Helgi Örn wrote:
> > Greetings all ye Debians!
> >
> > I gave it another go; installed Debian 2.2 'potato', this time only a
> > minimal installation although with GNOME, which turned out to be a flop
> > of course:
> >
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > gmc
> > gnome-control-center
> > gnome-help
> > gnome-utils
> > gnotepad+
> > gs
> > gv
> > latex2html1
> > libgtkxmhtml1
> > libwraster1
> >
> > When I was asked if the program should give it another try to install
> > these packages I said yes, but I'm not sure if it went through, I never
> > got any other messages about that.
> >
> > GNOME turned out to be one small terminal (without a frame) in the upper
> > left corner of the screen, on a neutral- grey background, nothing else.
> 
> Sounds like X fail-safe mode.  No window-manager, no ~/.xsession, it'll
> give you an Xterm.  You can start a window-manager from that Xterm.  For
> GNOME you'll want one of window-maker, icewm-gnome or sawmill aka
> sawfish.  GNOME seems to work best [or at least is easiest] if you
> install GDM (the GNOME Display Manager).  It's not strictly necessary
> though.  You can find out if those packages are properly installed by
> doing 'dpkg -l [, ...]'. If it's installed properly, the first two
> characters of the line spit out for each package will be 'i' and there
> won't be a third character before the name of the package.
> 
> Just try '$ apt-get install gmc' for instance.  Need help with apt?
> Check the man page, then ask if you're still confused.
> 
> > -
> >
> > The lp module would not install:
> >
> > Installation failed
> >
> > /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o : init_module : Device or resource busy
> > Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parametres, including
> > invalid IO or IRQ parametres
> > /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o : insmod/lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o
> > failed
> > /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o : insmod lp failed
> >
> > My printer is a parallel port (lp0) Epson Stylus Color 640. I tryed
> > several times, with and without parametres.
> 
> What were the io and irq settings you gave?  I know I set up some things
> in the BIOS for my parallel port (especially the communication style).
> 
> For me, this works:
> $ insmod parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7 dma=5
> $ modprobe lp
> 
> You need that low-level parport_pc.o module if you have typical x86 type
> architechture.  The parameters may vary a little, check your MB docs
> and/or BIOS.  When you get the parport_pc parameter correct, put them on
> a line in /etc/modutils/aliases like:
> 
> options parport_pc io=0x...  irq=. dma=.
> 
> Then run '$ update-modules'.  Now '$ modprobe lp' should work.
> 
> > --
> >
> > wvdial didn't find the modem (I'm used to wvdial 'always' finding the
> > modem on first attempt!) which is a Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO on
> > ttyS0.
> 
> Well, try running setserial first?  IMHO, pppconfig is much better
> overall.  At least it [pon/poff] doesn't hang around in the foreground
> forever wasting a VT and spewing all kinds of stuff that you probably
> don't care about.
> 
> > ---
> >
> > Window Maker seems to be the default window manager, what happened to
> > fvwm? I can't find it on the CDROM.
> 
> Look for fvwm2.  I thought the old fvwm was still around, but maybe not.
> You can change the system-wide default window manager with this:
> $ update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
> 
> Just select the number corresponding to the one you want as default.
> This is different than other Linux distributions and earlier versions of
> Debian.  Lots of default things are set up with this alternatives
> mechanism.
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[Fwd: New installation (again!)]

[Helgi Örn]

 --- Begin Message ---
It sure enough never asked for the 3rd CD only the 2nd, I'll give it a
try.
 Thanks!

Helgi Örn


Mike McNally wrote:
> 
> In my install it would say insert disk 2 or disk1, but what was really
> needed was on the 3rd (marked non-us) disk.  So go back to install in
> dselect and try some differed disks.
> 
> mike
> 
> Helgi Örn wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all ye Debians!
> >
> > I gave it another go; installed Debian 2.2 'potato', this time only a
> > minimal installation although with GNOME, which turned out to be a flop
> > of course:
> >
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> > gmc
> > gnome-control-center
> > gnome-help
> > gnome-utils
> > gnotepad+
> > gs
> > gv
> > latex2html1
> > libgtkxmhtml1
> > libwraster1
> >
> > When I was asked if the program should give it another try to install
> > these packages I said yes, but I'm not sure if it went through, I never
> > got any other messages about that.
> >
> > GNOME turned out to be one small terminal (without a frame) in the upper
> > left corner of the screen, on a neutral- grey background, nothing else.
> >
> > -
> >
> > The lp module would not install:
> >
> > Installation failed
> >
> > /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o : init_module : Device or resource busy
> > Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parametres, including
> > invalid IO or IRQ parametres
> > /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o : insmod/lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o
> > failed
> > /lib/modules/2.2.17/misc/lp.o : insmod lp failed
> >
> > My printer is a parallel port (lp0) Epson Stylus Color 640. I tryed
> > several times, with and without parametres.
> >
> > --
> >
> > wvdial didn't find the modem (I'm used to wvdial 'always' finding the
> > modem on first attempt!) which is a Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO on
> > ttyS0.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Window Maker seems to be the default window manager, what happened to
> > fvwm? I can't find it on the CDROM.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I will be very grateful for all hints that can help me configuring this
> > wild potato.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Helgi Örn
> >
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Re: Getting in Graphical Mode after Login

[Helgi Örn]

It's never stupid to ask if you don't know!
Have you configured X-window? If not then run the command

XF86Setup

as written (case sensitive), it is an easy to handle config program.
Just don't move your mouse untill it is set and applyed. Move around
with Tab & arrow keys, confirm with Space or Enter. When you are done
and you have saved the configuration then you can run the command:

startx

Good luck & continue asking if you get stuck!

Helgi Örn



Kyle Lynch wrote:
> 
> I may sound kinda stupid asking this question (bare with me, im only 13 yrs
> old), but after I login to my root or whatever account, how do I get the X
> running for the graphical interface?
> 
> Thanks for ur time,
> Kyle
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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"kmself" == kmself   writes:

 kmself> On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:49:27PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
 >> These are optional.
 >> /opt   2048 MB   No suid. Place to play with non vendor stuff

 kmself> Symlink to /usr/local instead.  Simpler space management, fewer
 kmself> partitions.

Different backup policies. I backup my /usr/local/ almost as
 religiously as my /home. /opt does not get backed up. And I do not
 have an ifinite amount of tapes, nor do I want to swap them more than
 I need to. 

There is a reason for my partition scheme that has evolved
 over the last decade or so ...

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helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Anselm Almeida]

 Hi there,
 
Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available 
there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks a lot

Anselmo Almeida
NIO, GOA

Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Rino Mardo]

Yes you can and I have it working with potato.  Here's part of my sources.list:



deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian woody main


You have to install it as "apt-get install task-helix-core".



On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:05:59PM +0530 or thereabouts, Anselm Almeida wrote:
>  Hi there,
>  
>   Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available 
> there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
>   I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Thanks a lot
> 
> Anselmo Almeida
> NIO, GOA
> 
> 
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Re: apt-get install task

[Rino Mardo]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 05:36:36PM +1000 or thereabouts, John Griffiths wrote:
> g'day all
> 
> can someone explain how i would get a list of tasks for 
> apt-get install task-***?
> 
> thanks
> 
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I think that depends on what you want installed.  For Helix it's 
"task-helix-core"

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Helix and Galeon

[Rino Mardo]

Hi.  I have gnome-helix installed from woody and been wanting to try Galeon.
Anyone done it yet?  Is there a .deb package for Galeon?


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Re: New installation (again!)

[Helgi Örn]

Heja Norge!
Thanks for your reply.

Åsmund Ødegård wrote:
> 
[snip]
> If you really want to use GNOME, just skip gnome when you install debian, then
> add 'deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main'
> to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update and
> apt-get install task-gnome-desktop. I guess that's closer to what you want.
> But, hey I'm not sure how well this works with potato, maybe you have to use
> woody.
Mmmm..sounds interesting, but it takes time to download via 56k
cable..:-(  On the other hand one might assume that GNOME on the
official CDROM should work out of the box!
> 
[snip]
> > wvdial didn't find the modem (I'm used to wvdial 'always' finding the
> > modem on first attempt!) which is a Diamond SupraExpress 56e PRO on
> > ttyS0.
> 
> Hmm, do you try this as root or as a normal user? Maybe you have to add your
> self into the group which own the device.
> 
As root. But i guess that ppp is not configured in the kernel even
though the module was installed from the beginning, could it be so?
 
> > Window Maker seems to be the default window manager, what happened to
> > fvwm? I can't find it on the CDROM.
> 
> It should be there if this is an official Debian potato cd. At least the file
> ~debian/dists/potato/main/binary-i386/x11/fvwm_2.2.4-2.deb exist in my
> potato-mirror.
> 
OK, I'll check that once again. Which window manager is the most 'Debian
friendly' if I may say so? 
Does KDE run smoothly on Debian?
[snip]

Thank's again & all the best!

Helgi Örn

Re: nVidia geForce + X == error?

[Alexey Vyskubov]

> Is there an X server for geForce cards (specifically Asus V.6600)? 
> Probing during Debian install did not detect a compatible card, it said...

You may compile X 4.0.1 from source and nistall driver from nVidia
(www.nvidia.com). It will give you the full power of hardware acceleration.
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Re: search contents of a tar.gz

[André Dahlqvist]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:05:06AM -0400, Brian Stults wrote:

> I would like to grep the contents to find the CD that I'm looking for,
> but I don't want to extract everything.

It sounds like you're looking for 'zgrep' which is included with gzip.
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Netscape Bookmarks

[Shel Johnson]

Hi everyone.. Is there an easy way to import your bookmarks from win9x to
linux??... Thanks!!

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/etc/reslov.conf

[Adrian Nims]

I can't find any /etc/resolv.conf file in Debian distribution. Do you know
were it is or what similar file do I need to configure in order to set up
this Debian box to specify the LAN DNS he should use ?

Adrian Nims

Re: Apache mod_rewrite and Alias ?

[Jaume Teixi]

hi

RewriteRule ^/stats(.*)/reports/%{SERVER_NAME}$1

but it only forwards to   /_document_root_/reports/virtualhost.com
as I see on rewrite log then reports 404
so Alias /reports/var/reportshas no effect

how to enable rewrite and then alias to change document_root path ?¿


thanks,
jaume.




Craig Sanders wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 06:20:09PM +, Jaume Teixi wrote:
> > I'm still getting 404  RewriteLog shows:
> >
> > ' pattern='^www\.[^.]+$' => not-matched
> >
> > whats happening ?
>
> i wasn't paying enough attention to your rules. they can't work as
> written. you want to look at the SERVER_NAME variable, not HTTP_HOST.
>
> also, turn on mod_rewrite logging, and increase the log level to help
> diagnose any faults. the rule below is untested, you'll probably have to
> tweak it a bit to get it working.
>
> remember to set loglevel back to 0 or 2 or whatever once you've got it
> working.  high logging levels will slow down your apache server.
>
> try something like:
>
> RewriteLog "/var/log/apache/rewrite.log"
> Rewrite Loglevel 9
>
> RewriteEngine on
> RewriteRule ^/stats(/.*)
> /reports/%{SERVER_NAME}$1
>
> alternatively:
>
> RewriteRule ^/stats/(.*)
> /reports/%{SERVER_NAME}/$1
>
> (without testing, i'm not sure which form is better).
>
> you still need the Alias definition from my last message.
>
> then make sure that your stats processing software puts the results in a
> subdirectory under /var/reports which has exactly the same name as the
> ServerName keyword in the the ... config.
>
> e.g. if you have a virtual host with ServerName www.foo.com then the
> reports for that host should go in /var/reports/www.foo.com/
>
> craig
>
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Re: /etc/reslov.conf

[Nate Amsden]

if there is no /etc/resolv.conf then you can create it.

debian prompts for DNS settings during install but if whoever installed
it did not enter them i imagine it wouldn't create a resolv.conf.

you can (as root) do:

echo "nameserver IP_OF_NAMESERVER" >/etc/resolv.conf

to create a basic resolv.conf

nate

Adrian Nims wrote:
> 
> I can't find any /etc/resolv.conf file in Debian distribution. Do you know
> were it is or what similar file do I need to configure in order to set up
> this Debian box to specify the LAN DNS he should use ?
> 
> Adrian Nims
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Re: Netscape Bookmarks

[Nate Amsden]

netscape bookmarks are stored in 1 html file, just copy the file to
~/.netscape

if you are a more advanced user and have access to a apache webserver,
you can use mod_roaming(see www.freshmeat.net for it) ive been usign it
for almost 2 years i think and it's great, go anywhere in the world and
have access to my boomarks/cookies from any netscape
communicator(password protected of course)

nate

Shel Johnson wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone.. Is there an easy way to import your bookmarks from win9x to
> linux??... Thanks!!
> 
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RE: Netscape Bookmarks

[Helgi Örn]

Yo!

Yes there is; copy the file:

C:\Program\Netscape\Communicator\Program\defaults

from Windows & drop it into your ./netscape folder or you do it from the
program: Bookmarks -> Edit Bookmarks -> Import

Piece of cake!

Helgi Örn

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> To: NTLUG; Debian; Storm
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>
>
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Compiling VMware 2.0.2

[Rino Mardo]

When compiling VMware in potato, it would complain that the include headers
(/usr/include) are for kernel 2.2.15 whereas potato comes with 2.2.17.

How can I fix this this?

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Re: Compiling VMware 2.0.2

[Nate Amsden]

be sure to install the kernel source and kernel header packages for the
kernel you are using, the include files in /usr/include are from the
libc6-dev package.

and when compiling the vmware modules make sure its pointing to 
/usr/src/wherever/the/kernel/source/is and not /usr/include

i compile my kernels by hand so my source is  /usr/src/linux

nate

Rino Mardo wrote:
> 
> When compiling VMware in potato, it would complain that the include headers
> (/usr/include) are for kernel 2.2.15 whereas potato comes with 2.2.17.
> 
> How can I fix this this?
> 
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Re: Burn in an ethernet device

[Danny Pansters]

Hi Adrian,

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, Adrian Nims wrote:
> I recompiled the kernel, I introduced an "append" line in lilo.conf in
> order to burn in an ethernet device. At reboot, the sistem (debian) see the
> ethernet board as eth0, everything seems OK but after boot, when i say
> "ifconfig" it appears to me only the loopback device.
>What must I do in order to make this ethernet device running and give it
> an IP address ?

You shouldn't use append unless you need to get a second eth card working 
(and even so, I'm pretty sure it's only needed for pre-2.2.x kernels). The 
eth0 should than become the card with the lowest hardware address, the other 
would become eth1. 

As I said, you don't need this. Just remove the append from lilo.conf, run 
lilo (!!) and add your eth0 with its IP number and the like in 
/etc/network/interfaces. Then restart the networking daemon; 
/etc/init.d/networking stop|start

You can also experiment by using the ifconfig program on the command line. 
Debian 2.2 differs a bit from 2.1, the ifconfig is a little different also. 
Check the man page.

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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Yes, it will work. There is no big difference between the two yet. (potato and 
woody).

Anselm Almeida wrote:

>  Hi there,
>
> Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available
> there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
> I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thanks a lot
>
> Anselmo Almeida
> NIO, GOA
>
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Re: Apache mod_rewrite and Alias ?

[Craig Sanders]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:22:56AM +, Jaume Teixi wrote:
> RewriteRule ^/stats(.*)/reports/%{SERVER_NAME}$1
> 
> but it only forwards to   /_document_root_/reports/virtualhost.com

ok, so the rewrite rule is working.

> as I see on rewrite log then reports 404
> so Alias /reports/var/reportshas no effect
> 
> how to enable rewrite and then alias to change document_root path ?¿

is the Alias in the global httpd config, or in a particular vhost config?

try putting it in the global config.  also try putting it in each vhost's
config.

craig

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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Rino Mardo]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:04:33AM -0400 or thereabouts, Antonio Rodriguez 
wrote:
> Isn't that apt-get install task-helix-gnome?
> 

either works.


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galeon CVS debian packages ; building debs for M18?

[Jared Johnson]

I've started making debian packages of the latest galeon CVS trees
available over at:

http://silverchair.futureks.net/~solomon/galeon/

The 0.7.3 deb available there has been slightly enhanced as well, see the
changelog.Debian.

Potato users will probably want to read
http://silverchair.futureks.net/~solomon/galeon/potato.html for
isntallation instructions.  If you don't know whether you're running
potato, then you probably are :D

In my opinion, the builds in both of these debs are quite useable and the
packages no longer have very big problems.  Perhaps someone should take
them up and stick them into the unstable debian distribution?

In other news, i'm looking into attempting to apply the patches given here
and build these packages for Mozilla M18 nightlies.  There are M18 debian
packages available from XK at:

http://center.oftheinter.net/~debian/hybrid/

The problem is that there are no mozilla-dev M18 packages available with
which I can compile galeon.  This especially sucks because, if the recent
comments about building with GCC 2.95.2 are true, the only reason i've been
able to do so is because the M17 mozilla and mozilla-dev packages were
compiled by the debian maintainer using GCC 2.95.2.  This means that,
unless the debian maintainer feels like going to the trouble of compiling
M18 mozilla and mozilla-dev packages, it will be extremely difficult for me
to get galeon to compile for M18.  Hrm, I think i'll send this to the
debian mozilla maintainer and the debian devel list as well as this list :)

Anyway, I'm just mentioning this in case anyone has some ideas/information
that I don't.  Any information would be appreciated.  From what I hear,
some of the recent nightlies (ones without bugs 50994 and 51164) have been
extremely nice, and i know that galeon's CVS tree is looking quite good
(and will only get better), so it would be awesome for people to get to
play with both of these things :)

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Where to add default gateway

[Adrian Nims]

Where should I add the default gateway ?
If I make a "route add default gw xxx.yyy.zzz.ttt" then the debian will
forget it after reboot. How should I make it in order the debian box not to
forget it ?

Adrian Nims

Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Danny Pansters]

Hi,

this might be a bit off-topic, but I've read in several manuals that a swap 
over 128 MB doesn't make much sense, but I never understood why. Can anyone 
enlight me on that?

I'm using 128 MB of RAM and have a 128 MB swap, which is fine, but pretty 
soon I'll be putting together a server box which will hold 512 MB RAM and now 
I'm kinda wondering what to do with the swap size. Of course it doesn't 
matter to add a few hundred megs to it, but is it useful? 

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www.ricin.com

Re: Netscape Bookmarks

[Oliver Elphick]

Shel Johnson wrote:
  >Hi everyone.. Is there an easy way to import your bookmarks from win9x to
  >linux??... Thanks!!
 
Netscape bookmarks are in a file called ~/.netscape/bookmarks.html.  If you
can export your bookmarks from IE, you should be able to edit the
resulting file into the right format.

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 "He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded
  us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is 
  high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward 
  them that fear him. As far as the east is from the 
  west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from 
  us." Psalms 103:10-12 

Re: Where to add default gateway

[Nate Amsden]

Adrian Nims wrote:
> 
> Where should I add the default gateway ?
> If I make a "route add default gw xxx.yyy.zzz.ttt" then the debian will
> forget it after reboot. How should I make it in order the debian box not to
> forget it ?

on 2.2 it is /etc/network/interfaces

format looks like:
# The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian
installation
# (network, broadcast and gateway are optional)
iface eth0 inet static
address 10.10.10.10
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.10.10.0
broadcast 10.10.10.255
gateway 10.10.10.1

on 2.1 it is /etc/init.d/network

format looks like:

#! /bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
#route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=216.39.172.116
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=216.39.172.0
BROADCAST=216.39.172.255
GATEWAY=216.39.172.1
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
#route add -net ${NETWORK}
[ "${GATEWAY}" ] && route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1

nate






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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Nate Amsden]

on my systems i dont like more then 120-130MB of swap per physical hd,
more then that(unless the drive is _really_ fast) could drag the system
down real bad. i usually make it a rule for me to include a 128MB swap
partition per hd no matter how much/little ram i have. the box im on now
is 512MB, with 3 physical hds(2x7200RPM Ultra 2 1x10,000RPM ultra 2) i
have approx 375MB of swap, currently 584kB is in use.

course you may need more depending on what the box may do.

nate

Danny Pansters wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> this might be a bit off-topic, but I've read in several manuals that a swap
> over 128 MB doesn't make much sense, but I never understood why. Can anyone
> enlight me on that?
> 
> I'm using 128 MB of RAM and have a 128 MB swap, which is fine, but pretty
> soon I'll be putting together a server box which will hold 512 MB RAM and now
> I'm kinda wondering what to do with the swap size. Of course it doesn't
> matter to add a few hundred megs to it, but is it useful?
> 
> --
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Potato APT confusing lines in sources.list

[Jesper Gertz]

Hi

I have done a complete new Debian Potato installation from the official 3 CD
set.

When I look in "sources.list" to figure out from where APT sources .deb
packages
it says: 
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r0 _Potato_ -Official i386 Binary-3
(2814)]
/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib nonUS/main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r0 _Potato_ -Official i386 Binary-2
(2814)]
/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib nonUS/main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r0 _Potato_ -Official i386 Binary-1
(2814)]
/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib nonUS/main

As far as I can see APT gets .deb packages from a "unstable" path on the
official CDROM's

Does anybody know why ?

Thanks a lot.

Jesper Gertz
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Re: stupid question

[Marco Pantaleoni]

On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:01:34PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote:
> Can you enlighten us on why you have such strong feelings about display
> managers?  Some people really seem to dislike them and I can't see why.
> Useless eye candy?  Wasteful of resources when unused? Potential
> security hole?

/etc/profile becomes useless with a display manager...

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Re: helix-gnome for Debian 2.2 ?

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Isn't that apt-get install task-helix-gnome?

Rino Mardo wrote:

> Yes you can and I have it working with potato.  Here's part of my 
> sources.list:
>
> deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian woody main
>
> You have to install it as "apt-get install task-helix-core".
>
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 12:05:59PM +0530 or thereabouts, Anselm Almeida wrote:
> >  Hi there,
> >
> >   Will the helix-gnome .deb packages at the helix  site work with
> > Debian 2.2?  The Debian site says that helix-gnome .deb packages are
> > available at the helix-gnome site, but the only .deb packages available
> > there are meant for woody.  Are they compatible with Debian 2.2?
> >   I am not on the debian-user list, so please e-mail me
> > at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >   Thanks a lot
> >
> > Anselmo Almeida
> > NIO, GOA
> >
> >
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Re: Where to add default gateway

[Web Administration account]

Adrian;

/etc/init.d/network is how I do it and I believe thats the "normal" place
for it at least in Potato and Slink. Not sure about Woody which you should
not be running unless you like the bleeding edge and have experience. It
looks like this snippet:

##/etc/init.d/network

#! /bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=192.168.1.200
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=192.168.1.0
BROADCAST=192.168.1.255
GATEWAY=192.168.1.188
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}



## END /etc/init.d/network

Those numbers need to be correct for your setup. The setuo should have
asked these questions during install.
.

Good luck


Tom

>Where should I add the default gateway ?
>If I make a "route add default gw xxx.yyy.zzz.ttt" then the debian will
>forget it after reboot. How should I make it in order the debian box not to
>forget it ?
>
>Adrian Nims
>
>
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RE: stupid question

[J.T. Wenting]

>
> On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:01:34PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote:
> > Can you enlighten us on why you have such strong feelings about display
> > managers?  Some people really seem to dislike them and I can't see why.
> > Useless eye candy?  Wasteful of resources when unused? Potential
> > security hole?
>
Some people still think anything more advanced than ed (or maybe vi) and a
commandline is too much.
Others are reminded of Windows (and forget to change the default from fvwm95
to windowmaker...).
I am certain there are holes in X. There are holes almost everywhere (though
a java application to print hell world might be the exception).

> /etc/profile becomes useless with a display manager...
>
Found that out last week... Added 'source /etc/profile' to .bashrc and it
works again.

Jeroen T. Wenting
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Murphy was wrong, things that can't go wrong will anyway

Local network ip

[Juli-Manel Merino Vidal]

Hi everybody,

I just want to ask which is the better ip network to be set up for a
home network: 192.168.0.x or maybe 192.168.1.x ??  I'm currently using
the second one...

Thanks

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   Become a GNU! (http://www.gnu.org)
 Running Debian GNU/Linux woody

Re: [SLU] Re: Netscape Bookmarks

[Shel Johnson]

Ok, here's a dumb one.. How do you find a file directory that starts with
a dot?.. Are they hidden?.. I know the location is: /home/shel/.netscape ,
but when I look for it, all I see is: /home/shel .. Does that make any
sense??...

Shel Johnson wrote:
  >Hi everyone.. Is there an easy way to import your bookmarks from win9x 
to
  >linux??... Thanks!!
 
Netscape bookmarks are in a file called ~/.netscape/bookmarks.html.  If 
you
can export your bookmarks from IE, you should be able to edit the
resulting file into the right format.

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Shel
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Debian installation

[Juli-Manel Merino Vidal]

Hi all,

as I posted in another message, I'm going to buy a new hard drive and
reinstall debian from scratch.

The system I'm running now was installed from a slink cd and then
updated to woody, but I don't like this.

I'm planning to download the latest boot-disks (potato or woody?) and
then install all needed things from internet and directly from woody.
Do the new install disks contain apt so I can do this?

Note that I never use tasks... when I install debian, I skip the task
selection, and only install the required packages with dselect. Then,
I add any package I want on the fly.

Thanks.

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Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Juli-Manel Merino Vidal]

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:07:09PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:

> / 500M

So much?

> /usr  5G
> /usr/local3G
> /var  1.5G (keep cahe/apt/archives there too)
> /tmp  500M
> /home 7G (why mess with /misc too if you're the only user)

I would like the /misc directory because I would like to share it in
my local home network, so everybody could access to the mp3s or all
other things... Currently, I have the mp3s in /usr/local/share/music,
but I think this is not the proper place.
Where do you recommend me to put all these thing, tough?

Thanks

> my $0.02
> -Jon
> 
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Re: Netscape Bookmarks

[ktb]

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, Shel Johnson wrote:
> Hi everyone.. Is there an easy way to import your bookmarks from win9x to
> linux??... Thanks!!

Win
-edit bookmarks
-file
-save as
-send your self an email with the "saved as" attached

Debian
-download mail
-click on the link
hth,
kent

horde: install problem

[Joel Gautschi]

hi,

if i try to install the horde debian package (horde 2:1.2.0-12) for debian
unstable i get the following warning:

---
Working, please wait...Checking non-HORDE config files
   WARNING 
You stated your using PostgreSQL as a database and
that it is local yet the install program cannot seem
to find the config files for it.  The install program
will NOT confiugre your database for use with HORDE
and thus will not function properly until you get this
fixed.

Please press ENTER
---

press ENTER doesn't work. I have to end with ctrl+c
why do I get this warning? I don't have a PostgreSQL database - I have a
MySQL DB. Or do I have configured it somewhere?

thanks for an answer...

cya
Joel

Re: gphoto--/dev/ttyS?: resolved

[cls-colo spgs]

debs,

prob resolved via:  "chmod 667 /dev/ttyS0"

(q > gooberfile)

thx.

bentley taylor.
 (potato on 2.2.16)

//


cls-colo spgs wrote:

> debs,
>
> in trying to config gphoto, i get, " the user doesn't
> have read or write access to the selected serial
> device.  please check the permissions..."
>
> i know that my modem is on /dev/ttyS2, to which i have
> access as a non-root user; so, the "permissions" for
> that shouldn't be a problem.  the permissions for
> /dev/ttyS0, S1, & S3 are the same as my modem (on
> /dev/ttyS2).
>
> $ ls -l  /dev/ttyS*
>
> crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64 Sep  2 19:23
> /dev/ttyS0
> crw-rw1 root dialout4,  65 Aug 19 09:28
> /dev/ttyS1
> crw-rw1 root dialout4,  66 Sep  3 19:47
> /dev/ttyS2
> crw-rw1 root dialout4,  67 Feb 22  1999
> /dev/ttyS3
>
> ...suggestions on clearing up the error message?
>
> ia, t.
>
> bentley taylor.
>
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lm-sensors

[Frederik]

I've installed lm-sensors using apt-get install lm-sensors-source,
recompiled the kernel, installed the new kernel with dpkg -i, installed
the 2 created .debs (i2c and lm-sensors) and rebooted.
I ran sensors-detect, and modified /etc/modules:

i2c-isa
sis5595

This is what sensors report:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/lahaina$ sensors
sis5595-isa-0290
Adapter: ISA adapter
Algorithm: ISA algorithm
VCore 1:   +2.04 V  (min =  +2.84 V, max =  +3.45 V)   ALARM
VCore 2:   +1.96 V  (min =  +2.68 V, max =  +3.26 V)   ALARM
+3.3V: +1.23 V  (min =  +2.97 V, max =  +3.63 V)   ALARM
+5V:   +0.82 V  (min =  +3.78 V, max =  +4.62 V)   ALARM
fan1:0 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
fan2:0 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
temp: +127 C (limit = +60 C,  hysteresis = +50 C) 
alarms:   Board temperature input (usually LM75 chips) ALARM

Funny, but not what i had in mind of course. Through the bios at bootup,
i can see the correct temperature...
Any ideas what i should change? I have a sis 5595 chip, and run woody.

Re: X problem with 2.2.17

[Igor Mozetic]

> installed the patch for 2.2.17 from linux.kernel.org, ran 'make
[...]
> The new kernel seems to run fine in a text console, but if I start X, I
> get four tiled copies of my screen and the mouse cursor is a big
> smudge.  Are there some new "features" in 2.2.17 which affect XFree86?

I have been running 2.2.17pre20 (which is the same a 2.2.17) for a
week on 3 machines - no problem under X.

> I use xserver-svga.

The same.

-Igor Mozetic

RE: Debian vs. Red Hat

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya 

i say ( my silly opinion )
- give the customer what they want( convincing um otherwise is usually
futile after 5 mintues of say why one is better than the other

examples i point out ( preferably with them sitting there for first
hand experience

- ask um what they expect the server to do...
- price/performance ...
- what is its primary function
- what is the backup plan  when any server dies 

- show them the uptime of the various servers 
( hopefully doing the same work load

- show them how hard/easy to upgrade the kernel...
- show them how to upgrade/install more sw
- show them how simple/hard it is to create a new box
- show them what is "broken out of the box" installs
- somebody has to go fix it to get it to work
- show them how many bug reports exists
- show them how long it takes to reply to a "bug report" or "security
  advisory" 
- show them how long to wait for email and/or phone support
- show them how much it costs to maintain the box at a particular level
  of performance/reliability requirements
- how to update pkgs  ( manually or automatically )
- show them stuff that is included in one distro but NOT in another

... have fun convincing um  or ignore their ignorance and stay on their
... good side till the enxt manager comes rolling in the door...
... at which time you can change things than...

all of the distro has good and bad points just depends on what
the situation is...and how much they willling to spend...

have fun linux'ing
alvin


On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Wayne Sitton wrote:

> It's to anyone,  I've mainly used Debian, because of it's stability, but our
> ISP has a contractor who's opinion is   "Red Hat's the best, thats why they
> are so popular."  I want to dipute this, but I need more than just my own
> opinnion to justify it.  I need stuff I can use and justify, to be able to
> use Debian.
> I need you guys to go above and beyond for this one.  Then We can say a
> national ISP is A Debian Company!
> 
> Wayne
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Debian vs. Red Hat
> 
> 
> 
> Debian versions correctly follow a release cycle and tend to have very few
> exploits as well as being less buggy.. We have the same problem here.. If
> you get any really good arguments send them to me to please.  You get
> better package granularity in debian. You have a much nicer internet
> upgrading system with apt.  You can get the same support for debian as
> red-hat from VA. Red-hat is far more flashy but prone to screwups where
> debian is the conservative, slowly evolving platform (if you only use
> stable/frozen).  Debian doesn 't have a bunch of arbitrary and stupid file
> locations.  I only have debian at home and there is very little that I
> can't do on it.
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS: Was that to Zealot??
> 
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Re: lm-sensors

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya frederik

you probably want to see the cpu temp measurements ???

its at /proc/sys/dev/sensors/<*sis5595*>/temp1

you can see all the stuff its recording in the /proc tree

and if you're nuts like me i run a cron job to copy the cpu 
temperature every 5 minutes copy it into a web directory that
i can casually browse to see what the temp did over the past day/night etc
- for the 1U boxes i running

if your cpu/chassis fans is a 3-wire fan ( with a tach )..gues yu
can also write a perl script to send an alarm when the fan dies

- consider yourself lucky if your motherboard's sensors is detected
  by lm-sensors

have fun
alvin
http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/1U/LCD/ - lm-sensor stuff + Lcd display


On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frederik wrote:

> I've installed lm-sensors using apt-get install lm-sensors-source,
> recompiled the kernel, installed the new kernel with dpkg -i, installed
> the 2 created .debs (i2c and lm-sensors) and rebooted.
> I ran sensors-detect, and modified /etc/modules:
> 
> i2c-isa
> sis5595
> 
> This is what sensors report:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/lahaina$ sensors
> sis5595-isa-0290
> Adapter: ISA adapter
> Algorithm: ISA algorithm
> VCore 1:   +2.04 V  (min =  +2.84 V, max =  +3.45 V)   ALARM
> VCore 2:   +1.96 V  (min =  +2.68 V, max =  +3.26 V)   ALARM
> +3.3V: +1.23 V  (min =  +2.97 V, max =  +3.63 V)   ALARM
> +5V:   +0.82 V  (min =  +3.78 V, max =  +4.62 V)   ALARM
> fan1:0 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
> fan2:0 RPM  (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)  ALARM
> temp: +127 C (limit = +60 C,  hysteresis = +50 C) 
> alarms:   Board temperature input (usually LM75 chips) ALARM
> 
> Funny, but not what i had in mind of course. Through the bios at bootup,
> i can see the correct temperature...
> Any ideas what i should change? I have a sis 5595 chip, and run woody.
> 
> 
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2.2.17 and ReiserFS

[Anonymous Luser]

I am not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I am going to give it a
shot anyway... I've been trying to compile all the pre-releases of the 2.2.17
kernel on ReiserFS, and none of them worked.
I am wondering if anyone knows what nesessary steps do I have to take, to make
it work?

logging interaction between minicom and modem

[alice]

Is there a way to log the interaction between minicom and modem 
similar to what chat sends to ppp.log and syslog? 

Ever since I upgraded to potato last weekend chat hasn't gotten along 
with my modem (external 57600 USR sportster) 

when I look in ppp.log or syslog I see things about chat sending it a 
AT or ATZ and expecting an OK and instead getting an alarm.

if I use minicom I can dial in fine, and run pppd after quitting minicom 
without resetting the modem, but I'd rather not use this as a long-term 
solution, so I was wondering if there was some way I could see if 
minicom is sending different commands to the modem than chat is to 
see if I need to be using different commands (or it could be that 
minicom dials when one tells it to dial whether the modem sent an OK 
after initialization or not) 

other odd things the first couple of days after I upgraded I was able 
to connect using ppp-calling-chat if I removed the ppp package and 
re-added it this is odd and moreso because that hasn't worked 
other than those first two times

I've tried removing the potato version of the ppp package and 
reinstalling the old version of ppp that I was using under slink but that 
doesn't seem to help

(oh, my kernel is 2.2.9. Occasionally I've gotten complaints about my 
module dependency file being newer than my module configuration file 
during this whole process... at some point while in the 'try anything' 
stage I recompiled my kernel, and changed ppp from being in kernel 
to being a module it didn't seem to make any difference but one 
never knows what difference it might have made that I'm not seeing)

please let me know if there's any other information I could provide 
that would shed light on this. Again, I'm hoping that if there's some 
way to see what minicom is telling the modem the same way I can 
with chat then maybe I can get chat to say those things instead.

-Alice (yes, we have some potato we have some potato today...)

"Cross-window-paste-facility-thing" ???

[Glyn Millington]

Greetings.  Before last Friday, when I installed Debian Potato, I
used Mandrake 7.1

I had it set up so that I could highlight something in Netscape,
with the mouse, and then by clicking the middle mouse button
could paste it straight away into, say, GVim.

Really useful!

Such is my memory that I can't even remember what this feature is
called!!

Can anyone remind me and perhaps point to advice about setting it
up on Debian.  

Thanks for your patience and help thus far

Glyn M



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autolog error message

[Ariel O. Garcia]

Hello,
  I am running autolog (up-to-date potato), but I get the following
errors:

---
From: Cron Daemon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> test -x /usr/sbin/autolog && /usr/sbin/autolog

autologout: Can't get status of user's terminal (No such file or directory)
---

What does this mean?

my /etc/autolog.conf is:
---
name=root   line=tty[1-7]   idle=15 grace=100 clear
line=ttyS[1-2]  idle=15 grace=50 clear
line=tty[1-7]   idle=20 grace=50 clear
line=pts/.* idle=90 grace=50 nomail
# line=ptyp.*   idle=30 grace=50 nomail nolog
idle=20 grace=50
---

A second question: I would like to have autolog close idle
console logins (/dev/tty's, that works ok), idle telnets into that 
machine and idle X_sessions (:0 for instance) but _not_ xterms inside :0
Both telnet sessions and xterms have /dev/pts/#  as device... how could I
treat them differently?

I searched the docs and the debian mailing lists but couldn't find that.

Anyway, I would like to know if autolog is the
default/preferred/recommended way of closing idle open
sessions in debian potato?

Please CC to me as I am not subscribed to this list, thanks!

Rgds, Ariel

Re: sound card support? - intel SE440BX-2 onboard yamaha

[Ariel O. Garcia]

Hello,

> I have the Intel SE440BK-2 motherboard with the onboard yamaha sound
> chpiset. I haven't managed to get it to work with linux.
> Does anyone have any expirience with getting this onboad sound card to
> work with linux, or has any idea where to start?

Yes it works but you need OSS (non-free, no source) sound drivers
or, since a few months now, the new ALSA drivers (version 0.5.8+, the
one in ___woody___).
I have the exact same motherboard and the drivers included in the standard
kernel don't work... :(

I like better the last option (ALSA), even if it needs a compiling the
modules if you don't use one of the precompiled kernels.
   
If you are running kernels 2.2.13/14 you have a binary .deb
available, 
  alsa-modules-2.2.*
Last time I checked a 2.2.17 version was not available. 
You also need (from woody)
alsa-base_0.5.8+
alsa-utils_0.5.8+
alsa-conf_0.4+

If you want/need to compile the modules grab alsa-source_0.5.8+ (remember
to enable the OSS compatibility layer though)

Hope it helps, rgds,
Ariel

Netscape 4.75 problems

[Dale L . Morris]

I've tried to get Netscape 4.75 on my machine and I have trouble with
the following:

1.)I am unable to view text/html links. When I try to open the link I get
an error that vi won't execute the command. (I forget the actual error
message and I don't have 4.75 on my computer right now.

2.)When Netscape is executed to view an image there is a message box that
comes up talking about the Huffman encoding and image quality. This
really isn't a problem, just an annoyance.

What I've done so far is edit my apt.sources file to allow woody
packages, then
apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade
This has allowed me to install the 4.75 packages, but I found when
trying to remove them, the only way I could successfully remove was to
use dselect and ignore the warnings. Any reason I can't use apt-get
remove --purge (netscape/communicator)? 

I am currently running 4.73 Netscape from potato and it works
fine. But when I do the apt-get upgrade it ignores the netscape
packages for 4.75. Anyone know why?

 I had read on this list previously that there was a
new .deb package to download and that would fix the problems I
mentioned above. I tried it last night with no success. 

Any help would be appreciated, I'm new to debian package management.

thanks

Re: "Cross-window-paste-facility-thing" ???

[Andrei Ivanov]

Emulate Third Button in X setup. third button does the pasting of
highlighted text (in case of a 2-button mouse you have to click two
simultaneously)
Andrei

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Then came Expedition.
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Coming to a street near you..
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Wierdness w/MidNight Commander editor: may be bug??

[John Foster]

Any time I try to edit a file using the "mc" internal editor as root I
get this error message with the option to Dismiss it. Editing seems to
be O.K. after I do Dismiss it. This does not happen if I am logged on as
a regular user. To make this even weirder this seems to be only when I
am editing the file /etc/apt/sources.list

Error in file /root/.cedit/Syntax on line 91   

Please advise if anyone else has noticed this.
I am attaching a copy of the offending file named Syntax.

-- 

John Foster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ# 19460173# syntax rules version 63
# (after the slash is a Cooledit color, 0-26 or any of the X colors in rgb.txt)
# black
# red
# green
# brown
# blue
# magenta
# cyan
# lightgray
# gray
# brightred
# brightgreen
# yellow
# brightblue
# brightmagenta
# brightcyan
# white

file gobledy_gook #\sHelp\ssupport\sother\sfile\stypes
context default
file gobledy_gook #\sby\scoding\srules\sin\s~/.cedit/syntax.
context default
file gobledy_gook #\sSee\sman/syntax\sin\sthe\ssource\sdistribution
context default
file gobledy_gook #\sand\sconsult\sthe\sman\spage.
context default


file ..\*\\.diff$ Unified\sDiff\sOutput ^diff.\*(-u|--unified)
include diff.syntax

file ..\*\\.diff$ Context\sDiff\sOutput ^diff.\*(-c|--context)
include diffc.syntax

file ..\*\\.lsm$ LSM\sFile
include lsm.syntax

file ..\*\\.sh$ Shell\sScript ^#!\s\*/.\*/(ksh|bash|sh|pdkzsh)
include sh.syntax

file ..\*\\.(pl|PL])$ Perl\sProgram ^#!\s\*/.\*/perl
include perl.syntax

file ..\*\\.(py|PY])$ Python\sProgram ^#!\s\*/.\*/python
include python.syntax

file ..\*\\.(man|[0-9n]|[0-9]x)$ NROFF\sSource
include nroff.syntax

file ..\*\\.(htm|html|HTM|HTML)$ HTML\sFile
include html.syntax

file ..\*\\.(pp|PP|pas|PAS)$ Pascal\sProgram
include pascal.syntax

file ..\*\\.(ada|adb|ADA|ADB)$ Ada\sProgram
include ada95.syntax

file ..\*\\.tex$ LaTeX\s2.09\sDocument
include latex.syntax

file ..\*\.(texi|texinfo|TEXI|TEXINFO)$ Texinfo\sDocument
include texinfo.syntax

file ..\*\\.([chC]|CC|cxx|cc|cpp|CPP|CXX)$ C/C\+\+\sProgram
include c.syntax

file ..\*\\.i$ SWIG\sSource
include swig.syntax

file ..\*\\.(java|JAVA|Java|jav)$ Java\sProgram
include java.syntax

file ..\*\\.(st)$ SmallTalk\sProgram
include smalltalk.syntax

file ..\*\\.(ml|mli|mly|mll|mlp)$ ML\sProgram
include ml.syntax

file .\*ChangeLog$ GNU\sDistribution\sChangeLog\sFile
include changelog.syntax

file .\*Makefile[\\\.a-z]\*$ Makefile
include makefile.syntax

file Don_t_match_me Mail\sfolder ^From\s
include mail.syntax

file sources.list$ sources\slist
include debian-sources.list.syntax

file control$ Debian\scontrol\sfile
include debian-control.syntax

file rules$ Debian\srules
include makefile.syntax

file .\*changelog$ Debian\schangelog\sfile
include debian-changelog.syntax

file .\*syntax$ Syntax\sHighlighting\sdefinitions

context default
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keyword whole in\clude brightred/18

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keyword wholeleft black\/ black/0
keyword wholeleft red\/ red/DarkRed
keyword wholele

Re: logging interaction between minicom and modem

[Harald Thingelstad]

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:22:12 you wrote:
> Is there a way to log the interaction between minicom and modem 
> similar to what chat sends to ppp.log and syslog? 
> 
> Ever since I upgraded to potato last weekend chat hasn't gotten along 
> with my modem (external 57600 USR sportster) 
> 
> when I look in ppp.log or syslog I see things about chat sending it a 
> AT or ATZ and expecting an OK and instead getting an alarm.
> 
>
...
> -Alice (yes, we have some potato we have some potato today...)
> 

I've had similar problems after upgrading to potato.

Used pppconfig both before and after, and my solution was to delete all the
config files (/etc/ppp/peers/*, /etc/chatscripts/*, are there any more?), 
possibly
purge and reinstall the necessary packages (memory is failing) and set up the
connections from scratch again.
Something seems to go wrong when using slink setup with potato pppconfig.
And that's my two cents.

Harald

Re: Weird sound problem

[Arun Ivar Gurung]

"Eric G . Miller" wrote:
> 
> I had some problems with sound in > 2.2.14 kernels.  Anyway, I played
> with my /etc/modutils/aliases a bit and now all seems to be working
> okay.  I don't know if these are exactly correct, but for reference:
> 
> #alias  off
> options opl3 io=0x388
> alias sound-slot-0 cs4232
> alias sound-service-0-0 cs4232 # mixer
> alias sound-service-0-2 opl3   # /dev/midi
> alias sound-service-0-3 cs4232 # /dev/dsp & /dev/audio
> alias sound-service-0-4 cs4232 # "ditto"
> alias sound-service-0-6 sound # /dev/sndstat
> options sound dmabuf=1
> options cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0
> 
> Of course, the drivers you use may vary...
> 

Thank you, but it did not make a difference.

esd starts and lsof reports that it has /dev/dsp open, but the skipping
of mp3 decoding still remains.

Arun Gurung

Re: Apache mod_rewrite and Alias ?

[Jaume Teixi]

thank you Craig,

I've tried both on global and on vhost config but has no effect for
rewrite
engine

any points how to get that /stats pointing ot differeent _document_root
?

thanks
jaume.

Craig Sanders wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:22:56AM +, Jaume Teixi wrote:
> > RewriteRule ^/stats(.*)/reports/%{SERVER_NAME}$1
> >
> > but it only forwards to   /_document_root_/reports/virtualhost.com
>
> ok, so the rewrite rule is working.
>
> > as I see on rewrite log then reports 404
> > so Alias /reports/var/reportshas no effect
> >
> > how to enable rewrite and then alias to change document_root path ?¿
>
> is the Alias in the global httpd config, or in a particular vhost config?
>
> try putting it in the global config.  also try putting it in each vhost's
> config.
>
> craig
>
> --
> craig sanders

Changing named forwarders on ppp startup?

[Thomas Hood]

When I dial up my ISP, the ppp scripts modify the /etc/resolv.conf
file so that it lists the two nameservers that the ISP says to use.
The latter nameservers appear second and third in the list, the first
being 127.0.0.1, which is taken from /etc/ppp/resolv/my-ISP.  Thus
the first nameserver to be consulted is on the local machine, and
accordingly I run named.

What I would like to know is how I can set up named so that it uses
the two ISP-provided namservers as forwarders.  Is there a standard
way of doing this?  If so, what is it?  If not, should the ppp
scripts be enhanced to do it automagically?

Thomas Hood

Re: Helix and Galeon

[Joey Tsai]

:: Rino Mardo ::
> Hi.  I have gnome-helix installed from woody and been wanting to try Galeon.
> Anyone done it yet?  Is there a .deb package for Galeon?

I don't think there is a Galeon Debian package, in either Debian "proper" or
from Helixcode.  I heard Helix was going to package it, but I also heard it
wasn't packaged in Debian because of licensing issues (similar to KDE before QT
went GPL).

// joey tsai

Re: Changing named forwarders on ppp startup?

[Thomas Hood]

I wrote:
> What I would like to know is how I can set up named so that it uses
> the two ISP-provided namservers as forwarders.  Is there a standard
> way of doing this?  If so, what is it?  If not, should the ppp
> scripts be enhanced to do it automagically?

I should have mentioned that I don't want to go into vi and
edit /etc/bind/named.conf and list the nameservers there.
I want the forwarding to change automatically when I bring
up ppp and get the nameserver addresses back from the ISP.
Named is already running at this point.

What I currently do is have a script called ip-up.d/named
create the "options" section of named.conf with the nameservers
listed as forwarders and then kill -HUP `pidof named` to 
make named reread named.conf.  If there is a better solution
I'd like to know about it.  If this is the best solution then
I'll submit it as a wishlist item for the bind package.

Thomas

Re: X problem with 2.2.17

[Bob Nielsen]

I downloaded a pristine copy of the 2.2.17 source and recompiled.  No more
problems.  The 2.2.16 kernel I patched also had the win4lin patch
applied.  I don't see how that could have created the problem, but I
need to explore this further.  Thanks

Bob

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 02:49:23PM +0200, Igor Mozetic wrote:
> > installed the patch for 2.2.17 from linux.kernel.org, ran 'make
> [...]
> > The new kernel seems to run fine in a text console, but if I start X, I
> > get four tiled copies of my screen and the mouse cursor is a big
> > smudge.  Are there some new "features" in 2.2.17 which affect XFree86?
> 
> I have been running 2.2.17pre20 (which is the same a 2.2.17) for a
> week on 3 machines - no problem under X.
> 
> > I use xserver-svga.
> 
> The same.
> 
> -Igor Mozetic
> 
> 
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Re: Netscape 4.75 problems Solved!

[Dale Morris]

I figured this one out :-)

Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib
non-free" in apt sources.list file and then do the apt-get upgrade
apt-get update and presto! the working netscape 4.75 is installed!
I've tried it on text links and it seems to work fine

Patching The Kernel

[Michael Epting]

Nobody here answered my question about using kernel-patch .deb files, so
I'm going to answer myself.  This way, anybody searching the list
archives will at least gain a little info and maybe get over this hump
more quickly than me.  I have had a separate email exchange with Manoj
Srivastava, the author of the kernel-package docs, that got me through
my difficulties.

If you have compiled a kernel before installing the patch package, it is
likely you will have no problem.  The difficulty seems to arise if, like
me, you install the kernel-source package and immediately install the
kernel-patch package.  You need to then either set an ENV variable or
add a line to /etc/kernel-pkg.conf:  patch_the_kernel := YES.  At that
point you should be able to do something like:

make-kpkg --config xconfig --revision=3:1.epting-idedma.1 kernel_image

However, in my case this failed because I lacked an existing .config
file in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2..17.  My simple-minded solution was
to do a make-kpkg clean, then xconfig, change a few things, save and
exit.  Then the big command above correctly applied the patch, executed
make xconfig (allowing me to set up the new options provided by the ide
patches) and then proceeded correctly to make a kernel-image .deb.

And now I have udma working with my ASUS P5A/ALi 1541 chipset.

Re: Linux crashed a lot - more info

[Keith G. Murphy]

John Reinke wrote:
> 
> 
> Yet another problem I've had that you reminded me of - the CPU fan will
> occasionally speed up and slow down. I've seen it stop almost completely,
> too. Sometimes, it makes a nasty rattling sound, but it seems to be
> attached well enough to the CPU that it shouldn't fall off. I've seen that
> the BIOS knows what speed the CPU fan is turning - is that how the fan can
> affect the computer? I've never seen the CPU get too hot.
> 
What motherboard do you have?  Some motherboards come with monitoring
software that runs under Windows to let you know the temperature in a
couple of places.  If you have that, and can stand to run Windows for a
while, maybe it would tell you something.

That alerted me to overheating when I was having a very similar
situation to yours.  That turned out to be a defective, cheap fan.  It
was BIOS-controlled, but probably just not made well enough to "keep up
with" what the BIOS was wanting it to do.  You might want to just get a
different (hopefully, better) fan, since they're not very expensive.

Re: Filesystem layout and hi everybody

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 02:08:32PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal wrote:
:On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:07:09PM -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:
:
:> /500M
:
:So much?

Yeh, your right... I'd be comfortable at 250M since /var and /tmp
are split off.

:
:> /usr 5G
:> /usr/local   3G
:> /var 1.5G (keep cahe/apt/archives there too)
:> /tmp 500M
:> /home7G (why mess with /misc too if you're the only user)
:
:I would like the /misc directory because I would like to share it in
:my local home network, so everybody could access to the mp3s or all
:other things... Currently, I have the mp3s in /usr/local/share/music,
:but I think this is not the proper place.
:Where do you recommend me to put all these thing, tough?

I usually keep exported filesystems under /fs or /export, no reason
not to go with /misc though.  Hadn't considered remote users for this
system.  If you're going to have multiple exported directories, I'd
make a partition for each of them (makes it eisier to migrate to a new
disk or tailor mount options)

-Jon

sound

[Wayne Sitton]

Hey guys,  I finnally got Debian 2.2 installed and running on my laptop.

My biggest problme was X,  Why can't these companies just use normal
video chipsets?
Anyhow, it's working!!!

I have a ess solo sound card.  I installed it as a module, and it works
fineunder root
It will not work under my user account, so where do I need to change
permissions, ownership, or do I need to add myself to another group?
I read somewhere that you need to add youself to the audio group(dip),
but I don't have that group on my system.  also the gnome cd player will
also not run under my user log-in, I suspect that is because it doesn't
have the right to mount the drive.  So what do i need to do?
I'm not worried about user security, because I will be the only one
useing the laptop.

Wayne

Guru needed.

[Felipe Alvarez Harnecker]

Hi,

im getting this error message:  /proc/ksyms: Not normal

can someone explain ??

Thanx.

-- 
__

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Tel. 09.874.60.17  e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Potenciado por Debian GNU/Linux  http://www.qlsoft.cl/
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IT NEWS WEEKLY

[news]

 

IT.NEWS WEEKLY
September 5, 2000, NO. 14
 
Welcome again to IT.NEWS - BlueCom's weekly 
newsletter for all players in the international IT Channel - vendors, 
distributors, resellers, dealers and brokers. Read about the latest trends in 
the IT market, products, prices, partnerships, major companies and much 
more. 
 
---
 
THIS ISSUE:
1. Intel Recall Its 1.13 GHz Pentium III Chip
2. Dream Team Sponsors Linux Lab
3. First Storage Product From IBM/Compaq 
Alliance4. Sony to Spend USD 940 Million on Chip Plant5. 
Hyundai Joins Anti-Rambus Legal Fight6. Handheld Makers Foresee 
Christmas Shortage
 
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ChipLast week Intel Corp. recalled its 1.13 GHz Pentium III 
processor on the very day that archrival Advanced Micro Devices Inc. announced that more than 10 PC makers are to produce models using its 1.1 GHz Athlon processor. Intel stated that it was recalling its processor 
because a lab test had highlighted malfunctions when using certain 
kernels of the Linux operating systems. The 
problem apparently results 
from the higher heat produced by the 
faster processor and some portion of the Linux code. Analysts say that AMD now has a clear lead in processors, and that Intel launched the 1.13 GHz Pentium III before it 
was completely ready in an attempt 
to remain competitive. Intel has announced that it will take 
several months to correct the problem, which 
gives AMD more time to ramp up its 1.1 GHz shipments. In the coming 
months AMD will introduce Athlon chips with even higher speed grains, aiming for 
1.5 GHz in the first quarter.Source: CNet News and Electronic Buyers 
News.2. Dream Team Sponsors Linux LabComputing 
heavyweights IBM, NEC, Intel, Dell Computer and Hewlett Packard are joining with 
Linux companies to coax the operating system into high-end, multiprocessor 
machines, the companies announced last week. The computing powerhouses are 
joining forces to create a laboratory where open-source programmers can improve 
the performance of Linux and associated software on these expensive servers. The 
new Open-Source Development Laboratories, due to receive multi-million dollar funding annually 
from the companies participating, 
will provide a way for independent programmers to push Linux into 
this high-prestige domain.Source: CNet News
 
3. First Storage Product From 
IBM/Compaq Alliance 
The first open storage product of the IBM 
and Compaq alliance has been announced as 
the Modular Storage Server. The alliance was made public on 6th July. Since then, IBM has undertaken full training of its storage sales 
force and storage networking architects, plus many of its business partners. Customers will now be able 
to deploy open storage networking solutions using both IBM and Compaq 
products. IBM has 
also announced the 
availability of 36 gigabyte 10,000 RPM disk drives for its "Shark" 
Enterprise Storage Server, which can result in a performance 
improvement of up to 30 percent. It also 
introduced the IBM FastT200 Storage Server, the industry leading entry 
level server for the NT marketplace, featuring two one gigabit per second 
Fibre Channel connections. The Modular Storage Server will be 
available on 29th September and the FastT200 will be 
available on the 12th September. Source: 
IBM4. Sony to Spend USD 
940 Million on Chip PlantSony 
stated last week that it will spend more than US$940 million over the 
next five years on a new plant to produce microchips used in mobile phones, 
digital cameras and other devices, as the company attempts to increase production of such 
goods. Sony will begin construction in November in the 
Kumamoto district on Japan's southern island of Kyushu. The factory is scheduled 
to begin production in October 2001.Source: Sony5. 
Hyundai Joins Anti-Rambus Legal FightThe 
company says its lawsuit is a pre-emptive strike against Rambus's pressure to license its synchronous 
technology. At stake is the validity of 
the patents protecting the technology for 
memory ICs, microprocessors, and core-logic chipsets - and therefore who gets to control the industry's 
future. Similarly, Hyundai has joined Micron 
Technology in a separate effort to invalidate patents held by memory 
intellectual property designer Rambus.Source: TechWeb 
6. Handheld 
Makers Foresee Christmas ShortagePalm, Handspring, 
Sony and other makers of handheld computers will have trouble filling 
orders for rhe Christmas 
period because of the ongoing parts shortage, according to 
executives and analysts. "We're 
in backlog on literally every single product in the line," Palm chief 
competitive officer Michael Mace said. "Today the 

Re: Mutt & Outlook Express

[Charlie Kroeger]

>the REAL problem is all the broken MUAs and mail clients that do not
>support RFC 2015, if you use such a mailer tell your vendor to fix
>this brokenness. 

Apropos to that, why won't K-Mail work with GnuPG.  I installed this
version to my home directory and K-Mail then showed a signing and
encryption 'button' but they were grayed out.   It was suggested I try PGP
instead, but I wanted to use GnuPG.

Will K-Mail work with GnuPG?

Thanks, 

C.K.

gcl 2.2.1-6 "truncate" broken

[Danny Heap]

We recently installed gcl 2.2.1-6 on our intel machines.  The
"truncate" function is broken, as shown by the example below (from
the gclinfo page).  Should we downgrade to a version that works, or
what?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Danny Heap
gibbs.med.utoronto.ca
-
Below I run an example from the gcl info pages, but the resulting
output doesn't resemble that in the info pages.
-
$ gcl
GCL (GNU Common Lisp)  Version(2.2.1) Fri Sep 24 14:42:27 EDT 1999
Licensed under GNU Public Library License
Contains Enhancements by W. Schelter

>(dolist (n '(2.6 2.5 2.4 0.7 0.3 -0.3 -0.7 -2.4 -2.5 -2.6))
(format t "~&~4,[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~2,' D ~2,' D ~2,' D ~2,' D"
n (floor n) (ceiling n) (truncate n) (round n)))
+2.6  0  3  0  0
+2.5  0  3  0  0
+2.4  0  3  0  0
+0.7  0  1  0  0
+0.3  0  1  0  0
-0.3 -1  0  0  0
-0.7 -1  0  0  0
-2.4 -1 -2  0  0
-2.5 -1 -2  0  0
-2.6 -1 -2  0  0
NIL

>
-

Re: Local network ip

[Spinfire Magenta]

on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 01:50:57PM +0200, Juli-Manel Merino Vidal sent 20 bytes 
on their merry way: 
> I just want to ask which is the better ip network to be set up for a
> home network: 192.168.0.x or maybe 192.168.1.x ??  I'm currently using
> the second one...

I have a network at home that is rather complicated; A ethernet cable
actually runs next door to my fellow-geek neighbor.

My internal house network is 192.168.1.x

My friends subnet is 192.168.2.x

Basically, you can use any number... i don't think you can use 0
however.  Since they're private IPs you can use any IP addressing
scheme you want.  If you are only going to have one subnet, i would
use the 192.168.1.x one.

Dan

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Re: lm-sensors

[Frederik]

Problem seems to be related to lm-sensors itself. I've seen one report of
a similar problem. Probably due to the motherboard: a MB-741LMRT. If
someone has any experience on setting up lm-sensors with this kind of
motherboard: i'd be interested :-)

Thanks for the help!

Frederik

Re: kde or gnome?

[Joachim Trinkwitz]

Ian Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> window manager, and at present the only window manager with full
> support for Gnome seems to be Enlightenment, AKA `E'.

That's nonsense, many window managers have Gnome support now,
e.g. icewm-gnome, wmaker, sawfish-gnome. 

Most integrated in Gnome is sawfish, which is configurable through the
Gnome control center. Sawfish seems to be quite so lightweight; please
try it out.

Greetings,
joachim

cable modem: does my hostname matter?

[Krzys Majewski]

My  cable provider tells  me my  hostname is  cr275960-a. So  I've put
cr275960-a in /etc/hostname and  everything works. My /etc/hosts looks
like this:

127.0.0.1 localhost
24.115.135.172cr275960-acr275960-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com

Anyway, cr275960-a  is a  pretty ugly name  for my machine,  don't you
think? Can I change it? -chris

Firewall message in /var/log

[Barry Samuels]

Can anyone tell me why I should keep getting this message in my
/var/log/messages (I'm afraid I don't speak ipchains):

kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth0 PROTO=17 192.14.17.1:513
192.14.17.255:513 L=136 S=0x00 I=244 F=0x T=64 (#30)

I set my firewall up with PMFirewall supposedly to ignore my
internal network.

Barry Samuels

Re: secure ftp

[Michael Smith]

If you're working on a workstation with X, GFTP (the recent version) can use 
sftp for
secure, guix ftp.  Just make a connection with ssh to get the key, and then 
select
the ssh protocol in GFTP.

brian moore wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 05:41:46PM -0700, Tal Danzig wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:24:23 -0700, brian moore said:
> >
> > : On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:18:08PM -0700, Tal Danzig wrote:
> > :  > Hi all,
> > :  >
> > :  > If you have ssh2 installed there is sftp2.
> > :
> > :  If you have openssh installed, there is 'sftp', even available as a deb
> > :  of the same name.
> > :
> >
> > That's good to know.
> > So is openssh the equivalent of ssh2? And more importantly is it backwards
> > compatible with the older version of ssh?
>
> Openssh currently supports both ssh1.5 and ssh2 protocols.  So, yes,
> you can use it in place of ssh-nonfree and/or ssh2 (hence the name
> change with potato -- 'ssh' refers to openssh).  The sftp2 that
> works with ssh2 is proprietary, as I recall.  It only works with ssh2,
> which has that evil non-free license, so I've never looked seriously at
> it.
>
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Re: LILO-rific

[USM Bish]

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 04:08:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I'm a little confused about boot being set, since shouldn't that maybe be 
> hda1, since windows MBR, er... I really don't get that part so well.  The 
> last question is: As of now I'm using a floppy to boot to Linux.  Otherwise 
> the system boots to Windows no questions asked, since I haven't touched the 
> MBR.  If I load lilo into the MBR, and I decide it's not working out for me, 
> is there a quick way to pull it back out?  Much thanks, bye!
> 
> -Chris
> 

Replying to you since I noticed no takers for your mail.

It appears, that you are confused on the MBR issue.  The
Master Boot Record does not belong to any OS per se, and
is used to place the bootstrap code to load any OS. This
bit of code is normally in assembly.

By default, DOS/ Win  places its  own boot strap routine
there at the time of installation.  Linux, on the  other 
hand is more polite and gives you an  option to load the  
LInux LOader (LILO) there or not.  You may opt to do the 
same.  In case you want to load Windows by default  from 
LILO place a line "default=Win" before  "other=." in 
your lilo.conf. Go through your lilo docs.

My personal advise would be to boot through Loadlin with
the MBR under control of Win.  Loadlin is  DOS software,
available with all Linux distros.  The setup is a bit of 
a hassel for newbees,  but once installed,  you can boot  
Linux through config.sys or autoexec.bat.  (Read loadlin 
docs on how to do it).  Many Window$ software like virus 
scanners and  utilities like  Norton  start grumbling if 
they do not find a valid MS-DO$ MBR,  and the outcome is
unpredictable.

If you are an experimenting type, you need  not use  any 
of these and use a third party boot manager.  The choice
is upto you.

USM Bish

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