make menuconfig error

[Dale Morris]

I'm trying to compile my new 2.2.16 kernel and when I run make menuconfig, I 
get the following error:
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE  
-DCURSES_LOC=""   -c -o lxdialog.o lxdialog.c
In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
luc:/usr/src/linux# 

I know I need a development library here. Can anyone tell me which one it is?
thanks

Re: make menuconfig error

[Robert Waldner]

On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:19:33 PDT, Dale Morris writes:
>I'm trying to compile my new 2.2.16 kernel and when I run make menuconfig, I g
>et the following error:

>dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory

>I know I need a development library here. Can anyone tell me which one it is?

libncurses5-dev

hth,
&rw

Re: cdrom

[Dave Thayer]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 02:23:54PM -0400, Andy The King wrote:
> 
> I just recently purchased a copy of Debian GNU/Linux 2.1.  Although my
> friend told me that I can just down loaded for free from the web.  So I
> installed it on my machine and everything runs well except for that my
> cdrom didn't recognized any of the CD-Rewritable copies that  burned.
> However, the operating system able to allows me to read other CD-W
> copies that are not rewritable.  I did all this with mounting the cdrom.
> 
> What is this mean?  I have most of the softwares that needed to be run
> in Linux are in those CD-Rewritable.  What can I do?
> 

There are 2 compatability issues you have to be aware of when you are
dealing with CD-RW disks. 

First, because of the materials used to make the disk, CD-RWs need a
higher power laser to be able to read them than CD-R or pressed CDs.
Older CD drives don't usually have strong enough lasers to read CD-RWs.
If your CD is slower than about 20x it may be too old. 

The other issue is the filesystem used on CD-RWs. CD-RWs can be formatted
using the same ISO-9660 file system as CD-R and pressed CDs. This format
has a minimum amount of wasted space, but doesn't support randomly adding
and deleting files well. If your CD-RW holds more than about 500 MB of data
then its an ISO disk, and should be readable on a newer model CD drive.

The other filesystem used on CD-RWs is UDF filesystem which supports
"packet writing". In other words, you can use a UDF CD-RW like a floppy
disk. DVDs use UDF as well. A UDF CD-RW only holds 500 MB of data (vs.
650 MB for ISO-9660) and needs to be formatted before use. This formatting
can take the better part of an hour on some drives. The 2.2.x kernels
do not support UDF. 

If this is what you have, just take the CD-RW back to the machine you made
it on, copy the files to the hard drive, erase the CD-RW, and re-burn the
CDs using ISO format. Some of the Windows CD burning programs are pretty
insistant about using UDF on CD-RWs, but they can usually be made to burn
ISO CD-RWs, if you stay away from using "Drive Letter" access and use a 
tool such as Adaptec CD-Creater to burn the files instead of Windows 
explorer.

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Framebuffer

[Jack Morgan]

I am trying to change my console resolutions. I log in to the console (not 
X-windows) and run a program, such as lynx or mutt. It opens at 640x480. My 
laptop screen can do 800x600. I tried "fbset fb0" but got no such device!? I 
read TFM but... 

Suggestions? Options? Places to look?
Thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 

Re: make menuconfig error

[Dale Morris]

Thanks, I'm reconfiguring now. It's a lot easier with menuconfig

Robert Waldner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:19:33 PDT, Dale Morris writes:
> >I'm trying to compile my new 2.2.16 kernel and when I run make menuconfig, I 
> >g
> >et the following error:
> 
> >dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
> 
> >I know I need a development library here. Can anyone tell me which one it is?
> 
> libncurses5-dev
> 
> hth,
> &rw
> 
> 
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Re: make menuconfig error

[Debian GNU]

--- Dale Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to compile my new 2.2.16 kernel and when
> I run make menuconfig, I get the following error:
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
> gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
> -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE 
> -DCURSES_LOC=""   -c -o lxdialog.o
> lxdialog.c
> In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
> dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
> make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
> luc:/usr/src/linux# 
> 
> I know I need a development library here. Can anyone
> tell me which one it is?
> thanks
> 
> 
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Re: make menuconfig error

[Debian GNU]

 I think the curses.h is missing. Try installing the
library ncurses. Be sure to give a make mrproper
before givin make menuconfig.


--- Dale Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to compile my new 2.2.16 kernel and when
> I run make menuconfig, I get the following error:
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
> gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
> -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE 
> -DCURSES_LOC=""   -c -o lxdialog.o
> lxdialog.c
> In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
> dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
> make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
> luc:/usr/src/linux# 
> 
> I know I need a development library here. Can anyone
> tell me which one it is?
> thanks
> 
> 
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Re: make menuconfig error

[Bob Nielsen]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:19:33PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
> I'm trying to compile my new 2.2.16 kernel and when I run make menuconfig, I 
> get the following error:
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
> gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE  
> -DCURSES_LOC=""   -c -o lxdialog.o lxdialog.c
> In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
> dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog'
> make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
> luc:/usr/src/linux# 
> 
> I know I need a development library here. Can anyone tell me which one it is?
> thanks

If you are using potato, it is libncurses5-dev.

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Re: X with a S3 Trio64V+ card

[Pap Tibor]

How much memory do you have on your card? The possible highest resolution
depends on your memory. I'm using S3 Trio64V+ with 2 MB memory, with
1024x768 16bpp. If you have 1MB, you still can use this resolution,
but with 8 bit color depth only.

--Pap Tibor

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Stefan Bellon wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Bolan Meek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Stefan Bellon wrote:
> 
> [1024x768 on S3 Trio64V+]
> 
> > > Isn't such a resolution possible with this card?
> 
> > I have S3 Trio64V+ in a EonTronics Renoir card, originally with 1MB,
> > lately upgraded to 2MB.  I have 1152x7??x16bpp.  I had to use 1152x7??
> > at 8bpp until my upgrade.
> 
> I think an upgrade is not possible.
> 
> > What color depth are you trying to use?
> 
> Well, I'd like to use the highest color depth possible at 1024x768.
> 800x600 simply is too small to work with.
> 
> Do you have your old XF86Config around somewhere? Or do you remember
> what color depth was possible at 1024x768 before the upgrade?
> 
> Thank you very much for your response! You're giving me hope back
> again. :-)
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Stefan.
> 
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compiling the hx hotline client?!

[Samuel Hathaway]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has successfully compiled the hx hotline client
under potato.

I have libreadline and libreadline-dev 4.1-1 packages installed and all the
files compile. However, the linker says that there are undefined references
in hx_tty.c to several identifiers of the form 'rl_*', which I assume refers
to readline functions.

I also tried installing readline 2.1-19, but this didn't help.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Samuel Hathaway

Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[kmself]

Color me clueless, but I just found something way cool.  I guess I
*should* have spent more time with Novell.

Last night's SVLUG presentation featured a couple of guys from Eazel
showing off a number of Nautalis features, including the ability to
browse RPMs as if they were a mounted filesystem.  Pretty slick.
Talking to folks, I understood that this was supported through the GVFS
-- Gnome Virtual Filesystem.  And that GNU Midnight Commander (aka mc
aka gmc) had a similar functionality.  This is a tool which, as I
understand, was adapted from Novell's "Midnight Commander" file browsing
utility.  It's a file manager on steroids, as a console tool.

My question to the Eazel folks was whether or not Deb browsing was also
supported.

The cool hat trick:  You can browse through the contents of a Deb
package *.deb file) with gmc as if it were a locally mounted fileystem,
without having to unarchive and untar all the constituent components.

This is pretty damned sweet.  Thought I'd share.

If you already knew this, laugh at me.  If you didn't -- well, now you
do.

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Laptops and Linux (was: Re: tecra bootdisk)

[Rogerio Brito]

On Aug 03 2000, Pollywog wrote:
> I had to use a Tecra disk on my ThinkPad.  Then I installed a new
> kernel (made with 'make-kpkg').  I am able to use 'mkboot' but I
> don't know if that has anything to do with the fact that I made a
> custom kernel.

Just as a completely unrelated question, are you satisfied
with your Think Pad? Does it work well with Linux? I mean, did
you have to use any binary-only module (with the possible
exception of PCMCIA) or does a stock kernel work fine with
your laptop?

I'm in the market for a new computer and I'm still deciding if
I'll go with a desktop or with a laptop... I'm looking for
something that uses only free-software, without third-party
drivers and that has reasonable performance.

Other opinions/experiences are welcome.


[]s, Roger...

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Can't get online

[Allan Peak]

I can't figure out how to get online.  I have a
RoadRunner cable modem with a RealTek RTL 8029 card.

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I can't figure out how to get online.  I have a
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Re: X with a S3 Trio64V+ card

[Hans]

I don't have that box here with me, but I have the same card which runs
1024x768 fine with an IBM G50 monitor. I think you probably want to change
the monitor to High Frequency SVGA, but check if your monitor can take that
(vertical freq at least 70 Hz). -- Hans

At 12:29 PM 8/3/00 +0200, Stefan Bellon wrote:
>Hi everybody!
>
>Does anybody have a XF86Config file for the S3 Trio64V+ card? I've
>managed to get a 800x600 running, but I'd like to increase to 1024x768.
>Whenever I modify the XF86Config (with XF86Setup) to contain a 1024x768
>ModeLine, the server dies when trying to start it.
>
>Isn't such a resolution possible with this card?
>
>TIA.
>
>Greetings,
>
>Stefan.
>
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Re: X with a S3 Trio64V+ card

[Stefan Bellon]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Pap Tibor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How much memory do you have on your card? The possible highest
> resolution depends on your memory. I'm using S3 Trio64V+ with 2 MB
> memory, with 1024x768 16bpp. If you have 1MB, you still can use this
> resolution, but with 8 bit color depth only.

Yes, it's only a 1 MB card. :-/

But I haven't managed yet to start the X server in 1024x768 and 8 bpp.
800x600 and 16 bpp was no problem. Well, I'll have another go then.

Thanks for your help.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: X with a S3 Trio64V+ card

[Stefan Bellon]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Russ Pitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   I have no problems with the S3 Trio64V+ at 1024x768 -16/24bit
> but it may be because I had 4 meg ram and upgraded to 8meg latterly
> still using it on a 'passed over' machine.

You can upgrade the S3 Trio64V+ to 8 MB video RAM?

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: X with a S3 Trio64V+ card

[Stefan Bellon]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> but check if your monitor can take that (vertical freq at least 70
> Hz).

How would I do this without documentation for the monitor? (The only
thing I know is that the monitor in question is a Compaq Presario 1410
monitor).

TIA.

Greetings,

Stefan.

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Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Russ Pitman]

Well-- The oportunity to comment here is too good to pass. I believe that
mc should also be known as LSAK ( Linux Swiss Army Knife). Been an addict
for years and still don't know all its tricks-:))


On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:51:54PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Color me clueless, but I just found something way cool.  I guess I
> *should* have spent more time with Novell.
> 
> Last night's SVLUG presentation featured a couple of guys from Eazel
> showing off a number of Nautalis features, including the ability to
> browse RPMs as if they were a mounted filesystem.  Pretty slick.
> Talking to folks, I understood that this was supported through the GVFS
> -- Gnome Virtual Filesystem.  And that GNU Midnight Commander (aka mc
> aka gmc) had a similar functionality.  This is a tool which, as I
> understand, was adapted from Novell's "Midnight Commander" file browsing
> utility.  It's a file manager on steroids, as a console tool.
> 
> My question to the Eazel folks was whether or not Deb browsing was also
> supported.
> 
> The cool hat trick:  You can browse through the contents of a Deb
> package *.deb file) with gmc as if it were a locally mounted fileystem,
> without having to unarchive and untar all the constituent components.
> 
> This is pretty damned sweet.  Thought I'd share.
> 
> If you already knew this, laugh at me.  If you didn't -- well, now you
> do.
> 
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Re: Laptops and Linux (was: Re: tecra bootdisk)

[Christopher Tessone]

On 3 August 2000 at 23:05, Rogerio Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   I'm in the market for a new computer and I'm still deciding if
>   I'll go with a desktop or with a laptop... I'm looking for
>   something that uses only free-software, without third-party
>   drivers and that has reasonable performance.

Everyone's going to die laughing at the suggestion, but look at
WinBook.  I had been a fairly devoted user of Linux for a while, but
when I was in the market for a computer, I had returned to using
Windows, and the WinBook XL^2 was about what I needed--very good
features for a small price (~$1000) and small weight (~7 lbs. for a
mid-featured notebook).  When I chose to return to the fold and
install Debian again, I was pleasantly surprised that I could spend
five minutes configuring a kernel, adding Ir* and PCMCIA support,
compile, reboot, and keep working.  No OSS nonsense, no strange,
third-party drivers, nothing.  (Note that I am using a 3COM PCMCIA
modem/ethernet combo; if you use an internal modem from WinBook YMMV.)
The name sounds scary, but the price for the features is not.  Their
higher-end notebooks ship with big screens, DVD, big hard drives, and
fast processors and still undercut Dell, etc.  In addition, I have yet
to hear of serious problems with the hardware.  It is not a
low-quality machine.

The single thing about the WinBook I would warn about is that the fan
is on almost constantly when it's on AC power, at least on my XL^2
with a Celeron 400.  Whether this is a Celeron-only precautionary
measure for over-clocked processors or a "feature" of all WinBook
laptops, I don't know.

Oh, and it has a Synaptics touchpad, which is a little...weird under
Linux.  The click-and-a-half feature is only sort-of supported, and
dragging in general is a tad weird.  At least on my model; again,
YMMV.

Hope that helps.  :-)

Chris


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Re: Cc: to poster (was Re: OT: less v. more...)

[Gerfried Fuchs]

Hi!

 I assume that Bolan is on the list?  And Ben, are you on -user?  Is
there a way to check with this list-agent who is on a list like
majordomo can?  Or is it just disabled?

On 03 Aug 2000, Bolan Meek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah, good, so, with this assumption, one ought to remove the
> personal To:'s and Cc:'s, unless requested? (Like you did..)

 It's what I usually do (with exception to Ben in this case, I got the
impression from the discussion so far that he isn't on -user).

> Brian May wrote:
> > The "mail-copies-to" header does sound good, but I have mixed feelings
> > as to if it really solves the problems.

 It can at least solve the problem for the people that are not aware of
what they are doing and using clients that don't know about
mailing-lists at all and therefore don't have a Reply-To-List function.

> > Oh, BTW, Mail-CopiesTo: never is obsolete, use "nobody" instead. See
> > http://www.newsreaders.com/misc/mail-copies-to.html

 Thanks for the hint.  I don't know why I missed that for I read on just
this page about it ;-)

> OK.  So henceforth, my practice will be to remove personal Cc:s
> Thank you.

 So I guess we can just close this thread :)

> > I would prefer another header (does the "followup-to" header do
> > this??), that is like "reply-to:", except it works for group
> > followups, rather then private replies. Even better, if it supported
> > mailing lists *and* newsgroups... If the poster hasn't submitted one,
> > the mailing list software could add a default one. If there is already
> > a header, it shouldn't be replaced.

 This should be no problem - in a MUA that is aware of lists.  I don't
know if there are many besides mutt that could do that?

 But I think we get far to far away from the topic of the list.  Sadly I
don't know where a good point for discussing this would be?  Maybe
news:news.software.readers for Mail-Copies-To: was also discussed there?

> > Another-words, I think it should be up to the sender to specify
> > exactly where the group reply should go. If the sender doesn't say,
> > then the mailing list should be able to specify. This should happen
> > without affecting private replies (so reply-to can't be used).

 I double that.  It's really a PITA to use such a mis-configured list
(with Reply-To: list set :-/ ).

> One problem I have, is that posts come to me From: the poster,
> and my MUA doesn't respect the Resent-from: header, so if
> I `Reply`, it goes only to the poster, but when I `Reply-all`, the
> list is Cc:ed.  I haven't noticed a Followup-to: header (but I
> haven't sought them, either), so I don't know what my MUA
> shall do with those.

 Netscape isn't the best MUA to choose from. It lacks many features that
are really useful if you are on several lists, and/or use different
From-Addresses.  I'd sugguest you to give mutt[1] a try.  It might be a
little hard to find your way to it (it's text-based, some don't like
that), but it's really paying off for it.

 Have fun!
Alfie
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Re: Palm packages

[Johann Spies]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:01:30PM +0200, Frodo Baggins wrote:
> Hi debians,
>Looking into the local package database with dpkg -l "*palm*" I
> found two packages concerning palm, namel gcc-mk68-palmos anf
> binutils-m68k-palmos. If I understand weel, they allows to install a
> cross-compiler for palmos. Now, doing dselect I'm unable ti find these
> packages... Here is my /etc/apt/source.list

On my system:

$apt-cache search palm
lx-gdb - Dump and load databases from the HP palmtop
pilot-template - Code generator for PalmPilot programs
prc-tools - GCC, GDB, binutils, etc. for PalmPilot and Palm III
pilrc - PalmPilot/PalmIII resource compiler and editor
libpisock3 - Libraries for communicating with a Pilot PDA.
pose - PalmOS Emulator
pyrite - Palm Computing(R) platform communication kit for Python
libpisock-dev - static libraries for communicating with a Pilot PDA.
pilot-manager - PalmPilot PIM, UI, and Conduit Manager
lxtools - Allows file management on HP100/200LX palmtops.
palm-doctoolkit - E-text tools for PalmPilot users
imgvtopgm - PalmPilot/III Image Conversion utility

My /etc/apt/sources.list

deb ftp://ftp.linux.org.za/mirrors/ftp.us.debian.org potato main contrib 
non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.linux.org.za/mirrors/ftp.us.debian.org potato main contrib 
non-free

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Partition problems

[Sven Burgener]

Hi all

When running fdisk -l I get the following:

box:~ # fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 787 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 111 20632+  83  Linux
Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(40, 15, 63) logical=(10, 15, 63)
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary:
 phys=(40, 15, 63) should be (40, 63, 63)
/dev/hda21176131544   82  Linux swap
Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
 phys=(41, 0, 1) logical=(10, 16, 1)
Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(301, 15, 63) logical=(75, 31, 63)
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary:
 phys=(301, 15, 63) should be (301, 63, 63)
/dev/hda376   787   1434384   83  Linux
Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
 phys=(302, 0, 1) logical=(75, 32, 1)
Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
 phys=(1023, 15, 63) logical=(786, 63, 63)
Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary:
 phys=(1023, 15, 63) should be (1023, 63, 63)

Disk /dev/hdb: 128 heads, 63 sectors, 782 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 8064 * 512 bytes

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hdb1 1   381   1536160+  83  Linux
/dev/hdb2   382   762   1536192   83  Linux
/dev/hdb3   763   782 80640   83  Linux

I have 2 HDs, hda and hdb; both have 3 partitions. hda is the system
disk containing a /boot, a / and a swap partition.

What can I do about the "Partition X has different physical ..." lines
from fdisk -l's output? Anyone experienced this before? Harmful?

Things seem fine; havent'd had problems so far...

I'd like to be CC'ed.

TIA
Sven

Re: Partition problems

[kmself]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 11:16:47AM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> When running fdisk -l I get the following:
> 
> box:~ # fdisk -l
> 
> Disk /dev/hda: 64 heads, 63 sectors, 787 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 4032 * 512 bytes
> 
>Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1   * 111 20632+  83  Linux
> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
>  phys=(40, 15, 63) logical=(10, 15, 63)
> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary:
>  phys=(40, 15, 63) should be (40, 63, 63)
> /dev/hda21176131544   82  Linux swap
> Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>  phys=(41, 0, 1) logical=(10, 16, 1)
> Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
>  phys=(301, 15, 63) logical=(75, 31, 63)
> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary:
>  phys=(301, 15, 63) should be (301, 63, 63)
> /dev/hda376   787   1434384   83  Linux
> Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
>  phys=(302, 0, 1) logical=(75, 32, 1)
> Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
>  phys=(1023, 15, 63) logical=(786, 63, 63)
> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary:
>  phys=(1023, 15, 63) should be (1023, 63, 63)
> 
> Disk /dev/hdb: 128 heads, 63 sectors, 782 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 8064 * 512 bytes
> 
>Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> /dev/hdb1 1   381   1536160+  83  Linux
> /dev/hdb2   382   762   1536192   83  Linux
> /dev/hdb3   763   782 80640   83  Linux
> 
> I have 2 HDs, hda and hdb; both have 3 partitions. hda is the system
> disk containing a /boot, a / and a swap partition.
> 
> What can I do about the "Partition X has different physical ..." lines
> from fdisk -l's output? Anyone experienced this before? Harmful?
> 
> Things seem fine; havent'd had problems so far...
> 
> I'd like to be CC'ed.

If I'm doing my math right, your /dev/hda is a 1.5 GB disk.  Which seems
a bit small for the issue I suspect.  But I suck at math.  Something in
th 6-12 GB range would more likely have these issues.

Usually I get this sort of message if I've got my disk geometry
configured wrong.  Read the LILO docs on specifying disk geometry in
/etc/lilo.conf or at the boot prompt.  It's cyl/sec/head or cyl/head/sec
or something like that.  See if your fdisk isn't happier after this.

Kernel version may make a difference as well, but I believe this refers
to larger disks than you seem to be dealing with.


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Re: Framebuffer

[Moritz Schulte]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 02:32:51PM +0900, Jack Morgan wrote:

> I am trying to change my console resolutions. I log in to the
> console (not X-windows) and run a program, such as lynx or mutt. It
> opens at 640x480. My laptop screen can do 800x600. I tried "fbset fb0"
> but got no such device!? I read TFM but...

does /dev/fb0 exist? if it doesn't, create it.
BTW: only few framebuffer drivers support on-the-fly configuring with
'fbset'. AFAIK, for example 3dfx cards (?)...

build your kernel with the driver (built into the kernel). if you
don't find a driver for your card, use VESA Framebuffer and configure
it via kernel parameters..

   moritz
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Re: gzipped readmes in /usr/doc/*

[Stuart Krivis]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 03:07:19PM +1000, Russ Pitman wrote:
> 
> Try using mc  . Just select the file and hit 'F3'.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:25:25PM -0700, S. Champ wrote:
> > hi.
> > 
> > i'm seeing a lot of README.*.gz in /usr/doc/*
> > 
> > the question:
> > 
> > what is the command to read these README documents, without having to first 
> > use
> > a command to un-gzip the same?

I believe that either dwww or dhelp allows access to these via a web browser.
(It's been a while since I tried it.)

The other suggestions for various file viewers are good too. I think I'd have
to say that midnight commander is my choice. It is a very useful utility.



-- 
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Re: Partition problems

[Sven Burgener]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

[snipped my stuff]

> If I'm doing my math right, your /dev/hda is a 1.5 GB disk.  Which seems
> a bit small for the issue I suspect.  But I suck at math.  Something in
> th 6-12 GB range would more likely have these issues.

Yes, it is a 1.5 GB disk. The other (hdb) is ~ 3 GB in size.

> Usually I get this sort of message if I've got my disk geometry
> configured wrong.  Read the LILO docs on specifying disk geometry in
> /etc/lilo.conf or at the boot prompt.  It's cyl/sec/head or cyl/head/sec
> or something like that.  See if your fdisk isn't happier after this.

I'll try.

> Kernel version may make a difference as well, but I believe this refers
> to larger disks than you seem to be dealing with.

Seems to hit me, though...

Cheers
Sven

Re: gzipped readmes in /usr/doc/*

[Corey Popelier]

You can use zmore  iirc.

Cheers,
 Corey J. Popelier
 http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas


On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Stuart Krivis wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 03:07:19PM +1000, Russ Pitman wrote:
> > 
> > Try using mc  . Just select the file and hit 'F3'.
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:25:25PM -0700, S. Champ wrote:
> > > hi.
> > > 
> > > i'm seeing a lot of README.*.gz in /usr/doc/*
> > > 
> > > the question:
> > > 
> > > what is the command to read these README documents, without having to 
> > > first use
> > > a command to un-gzip the same?
> 
> I believe that either dwww or dhelp allows access to these via a web browser.
> (It's been a while since I tried it.)
> 
> The other suggestions for various file viewers are good too. I think I'd have
> to say that midnight commander is my choice. It is a very useful utility.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Man -K

[Piotr Krukowiecki]

On Thu, 03 Aug 2000, John Hasler wrote:

> Piotr Krukowiecki writes:
> > But they don't. And you can't describe man which has 100 pages or more in
> > one line.
> 
> Of course you.  More importantly, you can put the keywords that people are
> most likely to search for in that one line.  The man foramt really ought to
  ^^^

But no all words. And maybe I remeber one fancy word from that man, what
then ? You include all words from manpage in description? ;)

> include a 'keywords' line, though.


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dual boot with lilo & Linux on slave drive

[Wilson Yau]

Can lilo installed on MBR of the 2nd HD handle dual boot at boot time? 
If yes, how?

Re: Can't get online

[Andrei Ivanov]

What seems to be the problem?
Read Ethernet-HOWTO for specific card installations. Basically, main thing
is to get ethernet card working correctly. dhcpcd will take it from there.
Any error messages in logs, what are the symptoms?
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[Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Dirk Eddelbuettel]

This might be a trivial questions with a quick No! as the answer ...

At work, in a predominantly NT environment, I use Samba to mount drives of
the NT servers on the Lan. However, I'd also love to access files on my
(vanilla NT 4.0) desktop at work which is set to let other 'share' its
files.  I tried mounting these from a Linux box but failed.  Is there a way
to get to these files so that I could access the files from Linux?

CC's welcome as I am not currently subscribed here...

Thanks, Dirk

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Re: gzipped readmes in /usr/doc/*

[Christopher Mosley]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Stuart Krivis wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 03:07:19PM +1000, Russ Pitman wrote:
> > 
> > Try using mc  . Just select the file and hit 'F3'.
> >


For navigating directories, viewing gzips as well as jpgs etc.
Try "lynx ." or lynx /usr/doc .  In addition to lynx being a web browser,
as a  viewer for unix - it is what Buerg's list was for dos   
  

Volunteers needed for MashPotato tech support crew in #Debian on irc.debian.org around August 15.

[Andrew Lau]

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Hash: SHA1

Hello, this is Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau from #debian at irc.debian.org calling 
out for volunteers who know a bit of Debian GNU/Linux and can offer a part 
of time to help others. As many of you are well aware, the third test cycle 
of Debian is about to end soon, schedules on August 15 (no guarantees or 
leaks here), and quite possibly, if we're lucky will officially become stable.

Debian itself, unfortunately, despite progress in this area over the last 
year or two, has never been an easy to install or configurable distribution 
for the beginner. Remember the first time as a Linux newbie when you 
installed Debian and were intimidated by dselect (thank goodness tasksel 
has been introduced). How long did it take you to get X or sound running on 
your own, or even when you switched distributions?

We here at #debian, the official IRC chatroom of Debian have decided that 
when Potato 2.2 does officially become stable, that we will provide the 
most comprehensive Debian GNU/Linux support service that we can to users 
both new and old. However, being the official IRC room, #debian will be 
overwhelmed with literally hundreds of users seeking installation and 
configuration help. The task would be quite daunting for regulars there as 
we already handle several dozen help requests a day.

Hence the Potato release now has a dedicated IRC tech support crew 
nicknamed the Mobile Array of Support Helpers for Potato (MashPotato) which 
serve around the clock for users around the world. To make things easier, 
we will also divert users to different channels from #debian to for example 
#debian-install and #debian-x, #debian-sound, #debian-gnome. However, we 
will be lacking in numbers of people to answer the multitudes of help.

To sign up for the roster list for MashPotato, just come into #debian and 
type in "apt roster" for further details, and return over the next few days 
for more details. You don't need to be using Potato, but any Debian-based 
help provided will be greatly appreciated.

So please, for the sake of new users, please volunteer for MashPotato and 
help promote the Debian GNU/Linux community to new users as well. Debian is 
much more than yet another Linux distribution. It has a fine tradition of 
being a community  which distinguishes it as one of the best Linux 
distributions out there. Let's keep it that way.

Yours sincerely,
Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 2194697

PS: MashPotato is not an official organization or division of the Debian 
GNU/Linux project, however we do have members and links with those who hang 
around at #debian. MashPotato is a volunteer group run by people at #Debian 
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Volunteers needed for MashPotato tech support crew in #Debian on irc.debian.org around August 15.

[Andrew Lau]

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Hash: SHA1
Hello, this is Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau from #debian at
irc.debian.org calling 
out for volunteers who know a bit of Debian GNU/Linux and can offer a
part 
of time to help others. As many of you are well aware, the third test
cycle 
of Debian is about to end soon, schedules on August 15 (no guarantees or

leaks here), and quite possibly, if we're lucky will officially become
stable.
Debian itself, unfortunately, despite progress in this area over the last

year or two, has never been an easy to install or configurable
distribution 
for the beginner. Remember the first time as a Linux newbie when you

installed Debian and were intimidated by dselect (thank goodness tasksel

has been introduced). How long did it take you to get X or sound running
on 
your own, or even when you switched distributions?
We here at #debian, the official IRC chatroom of Debian have decided that

when Potato 2.2 does officially become stable, that we will provide the

most comprehensive Debian GNU/Linux support service that we can to users

both new and old. However, being the official IRC room, #debian will be

overwhelmed with literally hundreds of users seeking installation and

configuration help. The task would be quite daunting for regulars there
as 
we already handle several dozen help requests a day.
Hence the Potato release now has a dedicated IRC tech support crew 
nicknamed the Mobile Array of Support Helpers for Potato (MashPotato)
which 
serve around the clock for users around the world. To make things easier,

we will also divert users to different channels from #debian to for
example 
#debian-install and #debian-x, #debian-sound, #debian-gnome. However, we

will be lacking in numbers of people to answer the multitudes of
help.
To sign up for the roster list for MashPotato, just come into #debian and

type in "apt roster" for further details, and return over the
next few days 
for more details. You don't need to be using Potato, but any Debian-based

help provided will be greatly appreciated.
So please, for the sake of new users, please volunteer for MashPotato and

help promote the Debian GNU/Linux community to new users as well. Debian
is 
much more than yet another Linux distribution. It has a fine tradition of

being a community which distinguishes it as one of the best Linux 
distributions out there. Let's keep it that way.
Yours sincerely, 
Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ: 2194697
PS: MashPotato is not an official organization or division of the Debian

GNU/Linux project, however we do have members and links with those who
hang 
around at #debian. MashPotato is a volunteer group run by people at
#Debian 
in the spirit of the project. 
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apt-get vs. dselect?

[Adam Scriven]

Hey all.

I'm going through the process of upgrading the kernel on my router box, and 
implementing some better firewall rules (Thanks to the TrinityOS doc.  Very 
helpful).  Traditionally I've used dselect to manage the packages that I 
have installed, but it gets rather cumbersome having to scroll through a 
list of crud, looking for specific updates.


Is that what apt-get does for me automatically?  I noticed that apt-get has 
the dselect-upgrade option, and in convesation with a list member, he 
recommended apt-get to update the kernel packages.


So which is the preferred way, and why?

Thanks!
Adam
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

kernel config

[Dale Morris]

 I have reinstalled potato, and compiled the 2.2.16 kernel. In my last 
installation I had sound and printing when I rebooted after compiling, this 
time I dont. I am sure there is a switch I'm not setting properly. Before, I 
thought the trick was to set the switches to M for sound, and set the kernel to 
auto configure. I'm trying to install my yamaha oplsax sound card. Then after 
I've done bzlilo make modules, make_install. Didn't work, I have no printing 
and no sound, I'm thinking of recompiling and leaving out the make_install. Oh, 
and the other difference, before I had downloaded and unsuccessfully installed 
the alsa sound moduleswhen I recompiled. any suggestions
thanks

Re: Cc: to poster (was Re: OT: less v. more...)

[Ben Pfaff]

Gerfried Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  I assume that Bolan is on the list?  And Ben, are you on
>  -user?  

See, the thing is, I didn't start this thread of discussion and
I'm not at all interested in a rehash of this topic.  And what's
more, I already asked on debian-user to be dropped from CC:'s.
So, if you'd just not email me any more about it, I'd greatly
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Ben.

Re: [Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Phil Brutsche]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> 
> This might be a trivial questions with a quick No! as the answer ...
> 
> At work, in a predominantly NT environment, I use Samba to mount drives of
> the NT servers on the Lan. However, I'd also love to access files on my
> (vanilla NT 4.0) desktop at work which is set to let other 'share' its
> files.  I tried mounting these from a Linux box but failed.  Is there a way
> to get to these files so that I could access the files from Linux?

mount -t smbfs //server/share /mountpoint -o
username=,password=,uid=

That should all be one line, of course.

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Re: [Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Dirk Eddelbuettel]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 08:44:01AM -0500, Phil Brutsche wrote:
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...
> > At work, in a predominantly NT environment, I use Samba to mount drives of
> > the NT servers on the Lan. However, I'd also love to access files on my
> > (vanilla NT 4.0) desktop at work which is set to let other 'share' its
> > files.  I tried mounting these from a Linux box but failed.  Is there a way
> > to get to these files so that I could access the files from Linux?
> 
> mount -t smbfs //server/share /mountpoint -o
> username=,password=,uid=
> 
> That should all be one line, of course.

Yes, as I wrote, that works fine for NT servers providing a share. I use
that with the corresponding entry in /etc/fstab so that I can simply say
mount /mountpoint 
and the rest happens automatically.

I now would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared' on my desktop.  I
can't figure out what that would be. Whatever I try yields 'session request
to DESKTOP failed'.

Any idea?

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precmnd in bash?

[Brian Stults]

Is there a function in bash that is similar to tcsh's precmnd? 
Something that will allow you to run a command before each prompt is
printed?  Thanks.

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Department of Sociology
University at Albany - SUNY
Phone: (518) 442-4652  Fax: (518) 442-4936
Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452

Re: precmnd in bash?

[Brian Stults]

Brian Stults wrote:
> 
> Is there a function in bash that is similar to tcsh's precmnd?
> Something that will allow you to run a command before each prompt is
> printed?  Thanks.
> 

I'll answer my own question in case it's of interest to anyone (and from
now on I'll always search for 5 additional minutes before posting to the
group).  There is a variable called PROMPT_COMMAND that will do it. 
Also, it's "precmd" in tcsh, not "precmnd".  I hope I can handle my own
constructive criticism.  If not, I'll send myself a private rebuttle,
and save the rest of the group from such unpleasantries.
-- 

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Doctoral Candidate
Department of Sociology
University at Albany - SUNY
Phone: (518) 442-4652  Fax: (518) 442-4936
Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452

xfstt and font not available

[Matthew Davis]

Hi all,

I have just wiped my system and reinstalled Debian (thanks completely to
Windows 2000 and my dual booting).  I was attempting to setup my
truetype fonts for use in X, and I seem to be doing something wrong.
Here's what I've done and what it happening:

Copied /WINNT/Fonts/* /user/share/fonts/truetype to obtain the font
library.

apt-get install xfstt

added the quoted line to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
"xset fp+ unix/:7101"

restarted xfstt daemon with . /etc/init.d/xfstt restart

And here's what happens:

I am running Helix-gnome, so I go into gnomecc to change my default
fonts.  When I hit "browse" to select a font, and highlight any of the
new ttf fonts (they do appear in the font list), I am told the font is
not available and the default 'fixed' font is used in it's place.

The same phenomenon occurs in both Mozilla M16-1 and in Netscape, and
seemingly any GTK program (i.e. Gnotepad+)

Have I left something out?  I don't know what is wrong.  It obvisouly
sees the path.  I have also tried running X as root, and that doesn't
work either; root gets the same errors as user.

Thanks in adavance for any help.

Matt

emacs and screen

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

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Does anybody know if it's possible to make screen get along better with
emacs?  They have a whole lot of overlapping keyboard commands, and I'd
like it if screen didn't grab all my C-a's and stuff.  I've read the
screen FAQ and man page, but it didn't really address it.  Does anybody
have a .screenrc which remaps screen commands to commands that don't
conflict with emacs?  Remapping emacs keys would be bad as at this point
they're pretty much hardcoded into my brain.

Thanks...
noah


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Re: precmnd in bash?

[Christopher Mosley]

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Brian Stults wrote:

> Brian Stults wrote:
> > 
> > Is there a function in bash that is similar to tcsh's precmnd?
> > Something that will allow you to run a command before each prompt is
> > printed?  Thanks.
> > 
> 
> I'll answer my own question in case it's of interest to anyone (and from
> now on I'll always search for 5 additional minutes before posting to the
> group).  There is a variable called PROMPT_COMMAND that will do it. 
> Also, it's "precmd" in tcsh, not "precmnd".  I hope I can handle my own
> constructive criticism.  If not, I'll send myself a private rebuttle,
> and save the rest of the group from such unpleasantries.
> -- 

It is not an unpleasentry at all - please feel free to post yourself.
I for one would be very interested in reading your inner dialogues.
Also, I can't see how a soliloquy now and then violates the policy of this
list.
  Thanks


> 
> Brian J. Stults
> Doctoral Candidate
> Department of Sociology
> University at Albany - SUNY
> Phone: (518) 442-4652  Fax: (518) 442-4936
> Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452
> 



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Re: t-dsl

[Stefan Nobis]

Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well, first of all, you want to assign the user an address via DHCP,
> or else it's an administrative nightmare.

You can use Radius, LDAP-based solutions and surley much more. With
PPPoE there are even more possibilities to hack IP-addresses then
without PPP. I still don't see your point. And last but not least: Why
not using static IPs instead of dynamic IPs? Use static IPs and
everything is very simple to set up and very simple to secure. That's
why i say the dynamic IP combined with PPPoE is very braindead.

-- 
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.

Re: [Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Kent West]

Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 08:44:01AM -0500, Phil Brutsche wrote:
> > A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...
> > > At work, in a predominantly NT environment, I use Samba to mount drives of
> > > the NT servers on the Lan. However, I'd also love to access files on my
> > > (vanilla NT 4.0) desktop at work which is set to let other 'share' its
> > > files.  I tried mounting these from a Linux box but failed.  Is there a 
> > > way
> > > to get to these files so that I could access the files from Linux?
> >
> > mount -t smbfs //server/share /mountpoint -o
> > username=,password=,uid=
> >
> > That should all be one line, of course.
> 
> Yes, as I wrote, that works fine for NT servers providing a share. I use
> that with the corresponding entry in /etc/fstab so that I can simply say
> mount /mountpoint
> and the rest happens automatically.
> 
> I now would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared' on my desktop.  I
> can't figure out what that would be. Whatever I try yields 'session request
> to DESKTOP failed'.
> 
> Any idea?

You said you "would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared'
on my desktop." By "desktop", do you mean your workstation
computer, or do you mean your Windows Desktop (shell program)? If
the latter, you can't mean "C:\", yet the error message that you
mention indicates the latter.

So, what directory have you shared, "C:\" or
"C:\WINNT\PROFILES\YOURUSERNAME\DESKTOP", and with what
permissions?

-- 
Kent West
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cc: to poster (was Re: OT: less v. more...)

[Gerfried Fuchs]

On 04 Aug 2000, Ben Pfaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See, the thing is, I didn't start this thread of discussion and
> I'm not at all interested in a rehash of this topic.  And what's
> more, I already asked on debian-user to be dropped from CC:'s.

 ROTFL 8-))  Here you can see quite clearly that it's not a good idea to
Cc: one when replying. For my person I stated quite soon (after the
first mail I got that was Cc:ed to -user) that I don't read that special
list.

> So, if you'd just not email me any more about it, I'd greatly
> appreciate it.

 It would be a good idea to start with the things you request yourself.
I don't speak of my person, but that you Cc:ed Bolan who also wrote
quite often that he _is_ on -user and don't need to be Cc:ed.

 I think I will skip the comfort of noticing it on the list and send a
seperate mail to everyone that Cc:es me. This will destroy the
additional feature that other might read it and react appropriately but
on the other hand will stop such mega threads.

 Have fun!
Alfie
-- 
"Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the
usual way.  This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody
thinks of complaining."
-- Jeff Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's Journal

Re: gnapster won't download: "fopen: No such file or directory"

[John Bagdanoff]

I had trouble downloading with gnapster too, so I switched to
knapster, which I found more reliable.

John


***
K, it seems to download now, though I still get the fopen() errors.
I like the gnapster interface but things like this, I hate to say,
make Windows look good at the expense of linux.. -chris 
  

-- 

Using Linux

Re: xfstt and font not available

[Eric G . Miller]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 09:18:47PM -0500, Matthew Davis wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just wiped my system and reinstalled Debian (thanks completely to
> Windows 2000 and my dual booting).  I was attempting to setup my
> truetype fonts for use in X, and I seem to be doing something wrong.
> Here's what I've done and what it happening:
> 
> Copied /WINNT/Fonts/* /user/share/fonts/truetype to obtain the font
> library.
> 
> apt-get install xfstt
> 
> added the quoted line to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
> "xset fp+ unix/:7101"

I don't think that is the preffered way to set a FontPath globally.  Try
putting the line:

FontPath  "unix/:7101"

in /etc/X11/XF86Config  in the "Files" section.  Then stop X, restart
xfstt, and restart X to see if it works.  Everything else you did looks
correct.

-- 
MegaHAL quote:
I think a blowpipe is a marijuana cigarrette.  
It'll get you deleted!

Re: [Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Dirk Eddelbuettel]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 09:58:43AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> > Yes, as I wrote, that works fine for NT servers providing a share. I use
> > that with the corresponding entry in /etc/fstab so that I can simply say
> > mount /mountpoint
> > and the rest happens automatically.
> > 
> > I now would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared' on my desktop.  I
> > can't figure out what that would be. Whatever I try yields 'session request
> > to DESKTOP failed'.
> > 
> > Any idea?
> 
> You said you "would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared'
> on my desktop." By "desktop", do you mean your workstation

Yes.

> computer, or do you mean your Windows Desktop (shell program)? If

No, I mean C:\ as the main partition on the 'desktop' computer.

> the latter, you can't mean "C:\", yet the error message that you
> mention indicates the latter.
> 
> So, what directory have you shared, "C:\" or
> "C:\WINNT\PROFILES\YOURUSERNAME\DESKTOP", and with what
> permissions?

Permissions are read-access for everyone.  Can I read those from Linux via
Samba?

Thanks, Dirk

-- 
According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

Buggered up my router somehow.

[Adam Scriven - Lore]

Ok, by some great and wonderful streak of stupidity, I seem to have somehow
completely fscked up my router.

It's hooked up to an ADSL modem, running PPPoE (Roaring Penguin), and that part
looks like it's working great.
I've got 2 other network cards, both 3Com 905B.  I have the 3c59x module
loading with modprobe, and I've checked ifconfig, and both cards look to be
setup correctly.
eth0 is 192.168.0.1, and eth1 is 192.168.1.1
(Incedentally, eth2 is an NE2k-pci card, for the PPPoE client).

I can see the world just fine from the router (I'm telnetting to an ISP
where my maail is hosted to send out this message, and I'm on the router now),
but I can't ping anything on my 192.168.0.0 network (192.168.1.0 isn't used
yet).
The route command returns:
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface
ADSL-NAME   *   255.255.255.255 UH0  0 0   ppp0
192.168.1.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0   eth1
192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0   eth0
default ADSL-NAME   0.0.0.0 UG0  0 0   ppp0

(I had to tyype this in by hand, so any formatting problems are mine.)

This all looks OK to me, but pinging just gives 100% packet loss, and traceroute
to 192.168.0.2 from the router gives:
traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted
 1 traceroute: wrote 192.168.0.2 38 chars, ret=-1

So, the question is, how have I managed to bugger this up, since it was working
fine this morning.  I recompiled a new 2.2.17 kernel, but AFAIK I picked all
the options that I needed.  My old (working) kernel was 2.2.14.  Did I forget
some vital piece of information?

Thanks very much for any help.
Adam

OH, I also meant to ask.  I used to use linuxconf on my RH systems.  Is there an
equiv. for Debian?  Something better, perhaps?

Re: uninstalling staroffice

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: uninstalling staroffice
Date: Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 03:09:04PM -0700

In reply to:jojo zero

Quoting jojo zero([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> How can I uninstall staroffice? it's taking too much space.
> 

apt-get remove staroffice comes to mind
or
dpkg (purge | deinstall) staroffice

But it's best if 'you' read the manual pages and decide for yourself.
After all, you 'are' using Linux, which comes with the manuals at no
extra charge.

:-) HTH, YMMV, HAND :-)

-- 
Operator! Trace this call and tell me where I am.
___

Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Mike Werner]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Color me clueless, but I just found something way cool.  I guess I
> *should* have spent more time with Novell.

> The cool hat trick:  You can browse through the contents of a Deb
> package *.deb file) with gmc as if it were a locally mounted fileystem,
> without having to unarchive and untar all the constituent components.

You can also browse tarballs, gzips, bzips, gzipped tarballs, bzipped
tarballs, and zips as well, providing that the attendant gzip, bzip, tar,
and zip programs are all installed.  Select the archive in question, and you
can either:
Hit F3 to view a listing of the files contained in the archive
or
Hit Enter to browse the archive as if it were a directory

Altogether a most usefull little program.
-- 
Mike Werner  KA8YSD   | He that is slow to believe anything and
  | everything is of great understanding,
'91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the
Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.

Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Greg Strockbine.]

> You can also browse tarballs, gzips, bzips, gzipped tarballs, bzipped
> tarballs, and zips as well, providing that the attendant gzip, bzip, tar,

well, gee, its starting to sound like emacs  :-)

greg s.

Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 12:16:33PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote:
 
> You can also browse tarballs, gzips, bzips, gzipped tarballs, bzipped
> tarballs, and zips as well, providing that the attendant gzip, bzip, tar,
> and zip programs are all installed.

Interestingly, though, it can't browse cpio archives.
-- 
Carl Fink   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum

Re: [Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Kent West]

Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 09:58:43AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> > Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> > > Yes, as I wrote, that works fine for NT servers providing a share. I use
> > > that with the corresponding entry in /etc/fstab so that I can simply say
> > > mount /mountpoint
> > > and the rest happens automatically.
> > >
> > > I now would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared' on my desktop.  
> > > I
> > > can't figure out what that would be. Whatever I try yields 'session 
> > > request
> > > to DESKTOP failed'.
> > >
> > > Any idea?
> >
> > You said you "would like to access the C:\ I declared as 'shared'
> > on my desktop." By "desktop", do you mean your workstation
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > computer, or do you mean your Windows Desktop (shell program)? If
> 
> No, I mean C:\ as the main partition on the 'desktop' computer.
> 
> > the latter, you can't mean "C:\", yet the error message that you
> > mention indicates the latter.
> >
> > So, what directory have you shared, "C:\" or
> > "C:\WINNT\PROFILES\YOURUSERNAME\DESKTOP", and with what
> > permissions?
> 
> Permissions are read-access for everyone.  Can I read those from Linux via
> Samba?
> 
> Thanks, Dirk
> 

Yes, you can. I'm not sure what the problem is, but I just did it
on my boxen. I'll think about it and get back with you later.


Kent
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Peter S Galbraith]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> The cool hat trick:  You can browse through the contents of a Deb
> package *.deb file) with gmc as if it were a locally mounted fileystem,
> without having to unarchive and untar all the constituent components.

See also the debview package:

Description: Emacs mode for viewing Debian packages
 After installing, you can use C-D in dired mode to view the .deb file
 on the current line.  Allows both the structure and contents of a .deb
 archive to be examined.

--

Also, /usr/bin/lesspipe (which can be used to enhance `less') has
support for deb packages, listing package description and then
content, e.g.

$ less xless_1.7-11.deb
 new debian package, version 2.0.
 size 17326 bytes: control archive= 1168 bytes.
 439 bytes,12 lines  control  
 593 bytes, 9 lines  md5sums  
 644 bytes,19 lines   *  postinst #!/bin/sh
 299 bytes, 9 lines   *  postrm   #!/bin/sh
 356 bytes,12 lines   *  prerm#!/bin/sh
 Package: xless
 Version: 1.7-11
 Section: text
 Priority: extra
 Architecture: i386
 Depends: xaw-wrappers, libc6 (>= 2.1), xlib6g (>= 3.3.5-1)
 Installed-Size: 56
 Maintainer: Randolph Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Description: A file browsing tool for the X Window System
  xless allows you to view information in an X window. It allows
  filename(s) arguments, or input via STDIN. It can print the
  current buffer and do regular expression searches.

*** Contents:
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-16 13:32:15 ./
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-16 13:32:13 usr/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-16 13:32:14 usr/bin/
-rwxr-xr-x root/root 24432 1999-10-16 13:32:14 usr/bin/xless.real
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-16 13:32:12 usr/X11R6/
drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 1999-10-16 13:32:12 usr/X11R6/lib/
[cut]


Peter

Trouble with initial istall

[Ed Burke]

  Debian helpers,
  I got partially through an install when I ran in to
trouble.  Is there ANY body out
 there that can help?I'm afraid to mention scsi but that seems to be
where the trouble
 may be.  I don't really know.  If I upset someone on your staff I am
truely sorry - It was truely unintentional.  This is my 4th attempt to
reach you.  Waiting anxiously,  Ed

Re: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Kevin]

I see you have both 192.* nets using the same broadcast...
255.255.255.0
Can you do that ? 

Adam Scriven - Lore wrote:
> 
> Ok, by some great and wonderful streak of stupidity, I seem to have somehow
> completely fscked up my router.
> 
> It's hooked up to an ADSL modem, running PPPoE (Roaring Penguin), and that 
> part
> looks like it's working great.
> I've got 2 other network cards, both 3Com 905B.  I have the 3c59x module
> loading with modprobe, and I've checked ifconfig, and both cards look to be
> setup correctly.
> eth0 is 192.168.0.1, and eth1 is 192.168.1.1
> (Incedentally, eth2 is an NE2k-pci card, for the PPPoE client).
> 
> I can see the world just fine from the router (I'm telnetting to an ISP
> where my maail is hosted to send out this message, and I'm on the router now),
> but I can't ping anything on my 192.168.0.0 network (192.168.1.0 isn't used
> yet).
> The route command returns:
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface
> ADSL-NAME   *   255.255.255.255 UH0  0 0   ppp0
> 192.168.1.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0   eth1
> 192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0   eth0
> default ADSL-NAME   0.0.0.0 UG0  0 0   ppp0
> 
> (I had to tyype this in by hand, so any formatting problems are mine.)
> 
> This all looks OK to me, but pinging just gives 100% packet loss, and 
> traceroute
> to 192.168.0.2 from the router gives:
> traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted
>  1 traceroute: wrote 192.168.0.2 38 chars, ret=-1
> 
> So, the question is, how have I managed to bugger this up, since it was 
> working
> fine this morning.  I recompiled a new 2.2.17 kernel, but AFAIK I picked all
> the options that I needed.  My old (working) kernel was 2.2.14.  Did I forget
> some vital piece of information?
> 
> Thanks very much for any help.
> Adam
> 
> OH, I also meant to ask.  I used to use linuxconf on my RH systems.  Is there 
> an
> equiv. for Debian?  Something better, perhaps?
> 
> --
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Re: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Kevin]

I see you have both 192.* nets using the same broadcast...
255.255.255.0
Can you do that.. anyone ?

Adam Scriven - Lore wrote:
> 
> Ok, by some great and wonderful streak of stupidity, I seem to have somehow
> completely fscked up my router.
> 
> It's hooked up to an ADSL modem, running PPPoE (Roaring Penguin), and that 
> part
> looks like it's working great.
> I've got 2 other network cards, both 3Com 905B.  I have the 3c59x module
> loading with modprobe, and I've checked ifconfig, and both cards look to be
> setup correctly.
> eth0 is 192.168.0.1, and eth1 is 192.168.1.1
> (Incedentally, eth2 is an NE2k-pci card, for the PPPoE client).
> 
> I can see the world just fine from the router (I'm telnetting to an ISP
> where my maail is hosted to send out this message, and I'm on the router now),
> but I can't ping anything on my 192.168.0.0 network (192.168.1.0 isn't used
> yet).
> The route command returns:
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref   Use Iface
> ADSL-NAME   *   255.255.255.255 UH0  0 0   ppp0
> 192.168.1.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0   eth1
> 192.168.0.0 *   255.255.255.0   U 0  0 0   eth0
> default ADSL-NAME   0.0.0.0 UG0  0 0   ppp0
> 
> (I had to tyype this in by hand, so any formatting problems are mine.)
> 
> This all looks OK to me, but pinging just gives 100% packet loss, and 
> traceroute
> to 192.168.0.2 from the router gives:
> traceroute: sendto: Operation not permitted
>  1 traceroute: wrote 192.168.0.2 38 chars, ret=-1
> 
> So, the question is, how have I managed to bugger this up, since it was 
> working
> fine this morning.  I recompiled a new 2.2.17 kernel, but AFAIK I picked all
> the options that I needed.  My old (working) kernel was 2.2.14.  Did I forget
> some vital piece of information?
> 
> Thanks very much for any help.
> Adam
> 
> OH, I also meant to ask.  I used to use linuxconf on my RH systems.  Is there 
> an
> equiv. for Debian?  Something better, perhaps?
> 
> --
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

Re: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Mark A. Bialik]

Kevin wrote:
 
> I see you have both 192.* nets using the same broadcast...
> 255.255.255.0
> Can you do that.. anyone ?

Those aren't broadcast addresses... they're subnet masks.

===
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Network/Security Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Infinity HealthCare, Inc.Mequon, WI

Is there anybody out there?

[Ed Burke]

   I am trying to do an initial install of Debian [New Riders/Mac
Millan Pubs.] and I
ran into a dead end path.  Quite by accident I found I can boot from the
CD, so I don't
need the path to the boot loader.  However the process ended when I
didn't understand
how to get the OS to recgnize my HDD.  It is a scsi HDD. Ed

dwww errors

[Neilen Marais]

Hi.

I'm running potato, and my dwww seems to be not quite right.

For instance, on the debian document menu, a number of choices result
in not found messages, or other arb errors. If I manually browse the
same location in netscape useing file:///whatever (by looking at the
URL dwww generates) things usually go dandy.

Sometimes I get errors like:
Access denied.

dwww will not allow you to read file
/usr/share/doc/gnome-users-guide-en/html/index.html 

Going to the page manually works fine.

futhermore, my HTML documentation index is empty.

I have purged, and reinstalled to no avail.  The version of dwww I'm
using is dwww_1.4.3.5-1.9.

Is this an issue with the documentation istalled by the packages, or
dwww itself, or something weird with my system?

Help would be helpful :)  I rather like dwww in concept, I'd just like
to get it to work 100%.

Thanks
Neilens


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Print accounting

[Neilen Marais]

I have an HPLJ 4l set up with magicfilter, and it prints fine, but no
print accounting seems to be taking place... When I print nothing gets
logged at all.  This is how my printcap file looks:

lp|hplj4l|HP Laserjet 4L:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj4l:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\
:if=/etc/magicfilter/ljet4l-filter:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

the file /var/log/lp-acct is always empty.

Any ideas?  Permissions possibly, and if so, which?

Thanks
Neilen


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Re: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Kevin]

whoopsie... :) been in windows too long..
anyhow.. possible though ?

"Mark A. Bialik" wrote:
> 
> Kevin wrote:
> 
> > I see you have both 192.* nets using the same broadcast...
> > 255.255.255.0
> > Can you do that.. anyone ?
> 
> Those aren't broadcast addresses... they're subnet masks.
> 
> ===
> Mark A. Bialik   (414) 290-6749
> Network/Security Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Infinity HealthCare, Inc.Mequon, WI

RE: Is there anybody out there?

[Pollywog]

On 04-Aug-1980 Ed Burke wrote:
>I am trying to do an initial install of Debian [New Riders/Mac
> Millan Pubs.] and I
> ran into a dead end path.  Quite by accident I found I can boot from the
> CD, so I don't
> need the path to the boot loader.  However the process ended when I
> didn't understand
> how to get the OS to recgnize my HDD.  It is a scsi HDD. Ed
> 

You did not specify just what hardware you have.  Is the SCSI Adaptec or what;
model info and such.  Then someone might be able to help.

--
Andrew

Re: Trouble with initial istall

[kmself]

On Sun, Aug 03, 1980 at 10:32:39PM -0700, Ed Burke wrote:

Fix your system date.

> Debian helpers, I got partially through an install when I ran in to
> trouble.  Is there ANY body out there that can help?I'm afraid to
> mention scsi but that seems to be where the trouble may be.  I don't
> really know.  If I upset someone on your staff I am truely sorry - It
> was truely unintentional.  This is my 4th attempt to reach you.
> Waiting anxiously,  Ed

First, there's no "staff", there's the list.  Participation is totally
voluntary.  If you don't get a response, re-submit your question.
Poorly worded, phrased, titled, or formatted posts tend to get ignored.
Also use archives (Deja, Remarq, Google) to research your problem.

Post your hardware (number/type of HDs, SCSI controller, CPU type (eg:
x86, 68, PowerPC), error messages, and any substantiated hunches you might
have as to what's wrong or what might fix things (but don't speculate
if you really don't know, it's usually not helpful), to this list.

I'd also suggest a subject line along the lines of "Install problem:
SCSI foo", where "foo" is descriptive of your specific SCSI card and
problems you're having with it.

Good luck.

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Re: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Mark A. Bialik]

Kevin wrote:
 
> whoopsie... :) been in windows too long..
> anyhow.. possible though ?

Sure, you may have many different networks all using the same subnet
masks. 255.255.255.0 will give his networks a network number of
192.168.1.0 with a broadcast of 192.168.1.255, and
192.168.0.0/192.168.0.255.  All the IP's in-between are useable.

I forget if he said he was using a router nor not... If so, it *could*
be that his router is unaware of how to get to either of the 192.168
nets... not enough info was provided. Running RIP/routed or entering
static routes should clear that up. If this is a linux router on the
same box, could it be that IP forwarding has not been turned on?

Mark

===
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Network/Security Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Infinity HealthCare, Inc.Mequon, WI

Re: autofs question

[kmself]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:15:21AM -0400, Brian Stults wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm using the kernel-based auto mounter, autofs.  I have all my mount
> points in the default /var/autofs/misc, and I have symbolic links to
> them in /mnt.  However, whenever I do a listing of /mnt (either from an
> xterm, or from within an application such as StarOffice), all of the
> devices controlled by autofs are mounted.  Is there a way to prevent
> this?  If I want to access my CD-RW from within StarOffice, I would like
> to be able to go into the directory called /mnt and then go into the
> directory called /mnt/cdrw.  But I would like to be able to do this
> without inadvertantly automatically mounting all the devices controlled
> by autofs.  Any suggestions?

I haven't used autofs since I converted from RH last year.  IIRC mount
behavior is controlled by a couple of config files.  I'm not sure
whether or not access methods can be specified and discriminated
for/against (say, like diald allows/dissallows net connection by
activity type).

Suggest you post your config files, relevant parts of your directory
tree, and examples of behavior which cause/don't cause filesystems to
mount.

I found autofs more trouble than it was worth.  There are a number of
GUI apps which provide for mounting and umounting specific filesystems
fairly transparently, for Gnome, KDE, and WindowMaker.  This might be a
preferred alternative.

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Re: Distribution Download

[romeu]

Thanks, Justin. This is the kind of ftp program I was looking for.

Gaucho




   
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When I was at school and behind a firewall...BulletProof FTP worked fine
for
dowloading...see if that works for ya.

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> What (windows) program should I use for this purpose? I mean, I want to
> select the directory ftp.debian.org/debian and download it all with just
> one click. I tried CuteFtp, but it does not deal good with proxies
> authentication (oh, I'm at work, so I'm using Windows, behind a
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Re: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Adam Scriven]

At 14:36 2000/08/04 -0400, you wrote:

whoopsie... :) been in windows too long..
anyhow.. possible though ?


Yup.  That just means to use the whole C block as one subnet.
Basically, I've got 2 different subnets, 192.168.0.* and 192.168.1.*.

BUT, I got it to work...and I got my portforwarding working too.

This stuff _isn't_ impossible!
8-)

Thanks!
Adam

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Re: emacs and screen

[Christopher Tessone]

On 4 August 2000 at 10:28, "Noah L. Meyerhans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> Does anybody know if it's possible to make screen get along better with
> emacs?  They have a whole lot of overlapping keyboard commands, and I'd
> like it if screen didn't grab all my C-a's and stuff.  I've read the
> screen FAQ and man page, but it didn't really address it.  Does anybody
> have a .screenrc which remaps screen commands to commands that don't
> conflict with emacs?  Remapping emacs keys would be bad as at this point
> they're pretty much hardcoded into my brain.

The solution I use is to put "escape ^ww" in my screenrc.  That makes
screen use C-w as the command character instead of C-a.  You can use
C-w w to get a literal ^W.

Chris

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Illinois Mathematics & Science Academy Learning-at-a-Distance Program
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Re: Adapted AHA1542 Problems.

[Adam Scriven]

At 13:22 2000/08/03 -0400, you wrote:

At 11:11 2000/08/03 -0600, you wrote:
each time i re-install windows on the box (every 6 months, tops), it 
fscks the pnp info on every card, so i sometimes have to set my card on 
pnp or manual config. when this happens, changing the io address fixes 
the "device or resource busy" problem. if you can, you may want to try 
changing the card io address and passing the new value to the module. not 
the nicest solution, but has worked for me before.


Thanks for the info.
I set it back to it's default IO address 330, and it worked like a charm.

Thanks!
Adam

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Very large SCSI drives and partitioning.

[Richard Kaszeta]

Okay, due to some *very* large storage requirements, I've gotten a
ST173404LW drive (73.4 Gig Ultra2 160 drive), and I've hooked it up to
the onboard AIC-7890 controller on my ASUS p2b-s motherboard (which
has worked fine with my 9 and 18 GB ATLAS drives).  

However, I can't partition the new drive.  Cfdisk on debian 2.1
refuses to talk to it at all.  fdisk will talk to it, but thinks it
only has 4.5 GB of capacity.  If I go into expert mode, I can set the
number of cylinders to 14,100 (from manufacturers data sheet), and the
heads to 24 (again, from manufacturer), but then the drive has 424
sectors, and fdisk won't allow sectors>63.

Same thing happens whether large drive translation is turned on or
off---if I don't overflow one number (like cylinders), I overflow
another (sectors).  

Any ideas?

As an aside, if I don't partition the drive it seems to work fine,
i.e. 'fdisk /dev/sdb'.  Can I run it like this safely?

-- 
Richard W Kaszeta   PhD. Candidate and Sysadmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   University of MN, ME Dept
http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta

FIXED: Buggered up my router somehow.

[Adam Scriven]

Ok, no laughing.

I setup the TrinityOS firewall script too.  I didn't mention this, but I 
have no idea why.


I had the $INTIF setup wrong.  eth1 != eth0.

Sorry.
Adam
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Re: [Q] Can Samba mount 'shared' (not 'served') Win drives ?

[Nicole Zimmerman]

At 11:44 on Aug 4, Dirk Eddelbuettel combined all the right letters to say:

> No, I mean C:\ as the main partition on the 'desktop' computer.



> Permissions are read-access for everyone.  Can I read those from Linux via
> Samba?

What *have* you tried? If you do a `smbmount` (no args) it blah blahs
about mounting smbfs stuffs. At the bottom is the snippet that someone
posted earlier,

mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test

Right now, I have the e: drive of the windows box to my left mounted by 

mount -t smbfs //crackbox/e /mnt/smb/crackbox/

If it were password protected by windows share, I'd do the same thing,
let it try to mount it, and then smbmount *asks* me for the password to
access the directory.

Obviously, I had to create the /mnt/smb/crackbox/ dir, but that's not
something out of the ordinary.

Do you get any sort of errors or anything? When I've had problems in the
past, I know errors were reported back (I can't remember what they were,
but I know they were there).

-nicole

Re: Cool trick: gmc and Debs

[Lehel Bernadt]

On 04-Aug-2000 Carl Fink wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 12:16:33PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote:
>  
>> You can also browse tarballs, gzips, bzips, gzipped tarballs, bzipped
>> tarballs, and zips as well, providing that the attendant gzip, bzip, tar,
>> and zip programs are all installed.
> 
> Interestingly, though, it can't browse cpio archives.

mc's vfs uses the scripts in /usr/lib/mc/extfs, so it can be easily
extended to handle other formats too.

Re: Very large SCSI drives and partitioning.

[Richard Kaszeta]

Peter S Galbraith writes ("Re: Very large SCSI drives and partitioning. "):
>
>Richard Kaszeta wrote:
>
>>  I've gotten a
>> ST173404LW drive (73.4 Gig Ultra2 160 drive), 
>> However, I can't partition the new drive.  Cfdisk on debian 2.1
>> refuses to talk to it at all.  fdisk will talk to it, but thinks it
>> only has 4.5 GB of capacity.
>
>Did you try passing the disk geometry to the kernel at boot time?
>e.g. using lilo:
>
> LILO: somekernelname sdb=14100,24,424
>
>Just guessing here...

Well, the kernel seems to be able to figure out most of it by itself:

SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 143374738 [70007 MB] [70.0 GB]

which is indeed the correct sector count and capacity according to Seagate's 
spec sheet.

Here's excerpts from 'scsiinfo -a /dev/sdb' for it:

  Serial Number '3CE02MCM7044LENE'
  Data from Rigid Disk Drive Geometry Page
  
  Number of cylinders14100
  Number of heads24
  Starting write precomp 0
  Starting reduced current   0
  Drive step rate0
  Landing Zone Cylinder  0
  RPL0
  Rotational Offset  0
  Rotational Rate10016

  Data from Format Device Page
  
  Removable Medium   0
  Supports Hard Sectoring1
  Supports Soft Sectoring0
  Addresses assigned by surface  0
  Tracks per Zone1810
  Alternate sectors per zone 0
  Alternate tracks per zone  6
  Alternate tracks per lun   0
  Sectors per track  424
  Bytes per sector   512
  Interleave 1
  Track skew factor  95
  Cylinder skew factor   85

So apparently scsiinfo and Seagate appear to agree that
cylinder=14100, and heads=24.

Sectors appear to be 424, which means that total raw capacity is
24*14100*424=143481600, which is slightly larger than the 143374738
reported by the kernel and seagate.

However, fdisk doesn't allow me to partition it:

  zombie:~# fdisk /dev/sdb
  Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun or SGI disklabel
  Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only,
  until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous
  content won't be recoverable.
  
  
  The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4471.
  There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
  and could in certain setups cause problems with:
  1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)
  2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
  
  Command (m for help): 

So it's defaulting to a cylinder count of 4471, not the 14100 it should be.

So let's try expert mode:

  Command (m for help): x
  
  Disk /dev/sdb: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 4471 cylinders
  
  Nr AF  Hd Sec  Cyl  Hd Sec  Cyl   StartSize ID
   1 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
   2 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
   3 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
   4 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
  
  Expert command (m for help): h
  Number of heads (1-256, default 64): 24
  
  Expert command (m for help): c  
  Number of cylinders (1-65535, default 4471): 14100
  
  The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 14100.
  There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
  and could in certain setups cause problems with:
  1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)
  2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
 (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
  
So far, so good...

  Expert command (m for help): s
  Number of sectors (1-63, default 32): 464
  Value out of range.
  Number of sectors (1-63, default 32): 

So it's not letting me up the sector count.  So the max capacity I've
seen so far in fdisk is 63*14100*24=21319200, or about 1/7th of the
real capacity.

'mke2fs /dev/sdb' appears to work fine, however.  I still don't know
if this won't hurt anything...  Just skiddish before trusing 60 GB of
data to it (although it is backed up via networker)





-- 
Richard W Kaszeta   PhD. Candidate and Sysadmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   University of MN, ME Dept
http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta

Loading fetchmail man page in Gnome-help uses all memory

[Lee Elliott]

Hello list,

I noticed a curious thing this evening - when I load the fetchmail man
page in the Gnome help browser, it grabs all my memory - 256MB and ramps
up swap usage until all that's gone too - another 256MB - previously
none was used.  CPU utilisation runs at about 75% on both cpus (SMP
system) while this happens.

This all takes about 10 seconds on this system.  It then frees all the
memory, effectively flushing the cache and buffer memory, and displays
the fetchmail man page ok.

Apart from the cpus being tied up, there's no other obvious effects or
consequences - nothing crashes (tried a kernel compile and running
Netscape) and the system then seems fine, although swap usage doesn't
return to 0MB immediately but seems to drop off over time, probably as
the system moves stuff back into main memory.  I just logged out and
back in and that cleared most of the swap - only 9.5MB used now, down
from 64MB after loading the man page several times, dropping to 29MB
just before I logged out.

There don't seem to be any spurious processes left hanging around.

This happens on consecutive loads on this man page: start
Gnome help, select Man Pages, select User Commands, select fetchmail -
memory used.  Use the Back button, select User Commands (again), select
fetchmail - memory used.

I've got three discrete 2.2.17 Potatos on this system, all with the same
s/w installed - I've tried it on two of them with identical results -
reboots make no difference.  At least it shows I'm keeping them in
step;)

This doesn't happen if the fetchmail man page is loaded from a Gnome
term: 'man fetchmail'

dmesg gives:

VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for init...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for tasklist_applet...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for kswapd...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for gnome-man2html...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for XF86_SVGA...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for sh...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for mount...
VM: do_try_to_free_pages failed for procmeter3...

I'm getting really crappy conections at the moment so I've not been able
to check the bug list, but if any one else gets the same behaviour I'll
check it out and raise a bug if neccessary.

LeeE
-- 

http://www.spatial.freeserve.co.uk

...or something

xterm and shell behaviors

[Thomas J. Hamman]

I'm a new convert to Debian, and I need a little help changing a few behaviors 
of xterm and the shell (bash).

1.  When I press tab to autocomplete something in the command line, and there 
are more than one possible autocompletion, the shell BEEPS.  This is very 
annoying, especially when my gf is asleep within ten feet of my computer. :)  
How can I disable this?

2.  I like my xterms to have a black background and gray text, like the 
console; how can I make this the default setting?  (I know how to do it with 
command line options, but I want it to be default.)  I noticed there are 
commented lines for such settings in /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm, but 
uncommenting those lines seems to have no effect.

3.  The delete key seems to function the same as the backspace key in xterm; 
how can I change it to delete the character in _front_ of the cursor instead?

Any help will be appreciated.  I'm enjoying Debian, it's much better than the 
other distros I've tried. :)

Tom

RE: autofs question

[Lehel Bernadt]

On 03-Aug-2000 Brian Stults wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm using the kernel-based auto mounter, autofs.  I have all my mount
> points in the default /var/autofs/misc, and I have symbolic links to
> them in /mnt.  However, whenever I do a listing of /mnt (either from an
> xterm, or from within an application such as StarOffice), all of the
> devices controlled by autofs are mounted.  

This is normal, since ls or soffice will try to readlink(2) the symlinks, thus
getting autofs mount them.

> Is there a way to prevent
> this?  If I want to access my CD-RW from within StarOffice, I would like
> to be able to go into the directory called /mnt and then go into the
> directory called /mnt/cdrw.  But I would like to be able to do this
> without inadvertantly automatically mounting all the devices controlled
> by autofs.  Any suggestions?

If you stay with this configuration, you cannot change this behavior. 
The problem is that when you don't use links, you can't refer to the mountpoint
while browsing from a gui, since this is created when you try to access it.
Most of these programs however can use bookmarks for directory URLs too. So you
can add the mountpoints to your bookmarks; under mc you could use the directory
hotlist.

HTH,
Lehel

Re: Very large SCSI drives and partitioning.

[Gary Hennigan]

Richard Kaszeta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Peter S Galbraith writes ("Re: Very large SCSI drives and partitioning. "):
> >
> >Richard Kaszeta wrote:
> >
> >>  I've gotten a
> >> ST173404LW drive (73.4 Gig Ultra2 160 drive), 
> >> However, I can't partition the new drive.  Cfdisk on debian 2.1
> >> refuses to talk to it at all.  fdisk will talk to it, but thinks it
> >> only has 4.5 GB of capacity.
> >
> >Did you try passing the disk geometry to the kernel at boot time?
> >e.g. using lilo:
> >
> > LILO: somekernelname sdb=14100,24,424
> >
> >Just guessing here...
> 
> Well, the kernel seems to be able to figure out most of it by itself:
> 
> SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 143374738 [70007 MB] [70.0 
> GB]
> 
> which is indeed the correct sector count and capacity according to Seagate's 
> spec sheet.
> 
> Here's excerpts from 'scsiinfo -a /dev/sdb' for it:
> 
>   Serial Number '3CE02MCM7044LENE'
>   Data from Rigid Disk Drive Geometry Page
>   
>   Number of cylinders14100
>   Number of heads24
>   Starting write precomp 0
>   Starting reduced current   0
>   Drive step rate0
>   Landing Zone Cylinder  0
>   RPL0
>   Rotational Offset  0
>   Rotational Rate10016
> 
>   Data from Format Device Page
>   
>   Removable Medium   0
>   Supports Hard Sectoring1
>   Supports Soft Sectoring0
>   Addresses assigned by surface  0
>   Tracks per Zone1810
>   Alternate sectors per zone 0
>   Alternate tracks per zone  6
>   Alternate tracks per lun   0
>   Sectors per track  424
>   Bytes per sector   512
>   Interleave 1
>   Track skew factor  95
>   Cylinder skew factor   85
> 
> So apparently scsiinfo and Seagate appear to agree that
> cylinder=14100, and heads=24.
> 
> Sectors appear to be 424, which means that total raw capacity is
> 24*14100*424=143481600, which is slightly larger than the 143374738
> reported by the kernel and seagate.
> 
> However, fdisk doesn't allow me to partition it:
> 
>   zombie:~# fdisk /dev/sdb
>   Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun or SGI 
> disklabel
>   Building a new DOS disklabel. Changes will remain in memory only,
>   until you decide to write them. After that, of course, the previous
>   content won't be recoverable.
>   
>   
>   The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4471.
>   There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
>   and could in certain setups cause problems with:
>   1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)
>   2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
>   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
>   
>   Command (m for help): 
> 
> So it's defaulting to a cylinder count of 4471, not the 14100 it should be.
> 
> So let's try expert mode:
> 
>   Command (m for help): x
>   
>   Disk /dev/sdb: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 4471 cylinders
>   
>   Nr AF  Hd Sec  Cyl  Hd Sec  Cyl   StartSize ID
>1 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
>2 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
>3 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
>4 00   0   00   0   00   0   0 00
>   
>   Expert command (m for help): h
>   Number of heads (1-256, default 64): 24
>   
>   Expert command (m for help): c  
>   Number of cylinders (1-65535, default 4471): 14100
>   
>   The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 14100.
>   There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
>   and could in certain setups cause problems with:
>   1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., LILO)
>   2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
>  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)
>   
> So far, so good...
> 
>   Expert command (m for help): s
>   Number of sectors (1-63, default 32): 464
>   Value out of range.
>   Number of sectors (1-63, default 32): 
> 
> So it's not letting me up the sector count.  So the max capacity I've
> seen so far in fdisk is 63*14100*24=21319200, or about 1/7th of the
> real capacity.
> 
> 'mke2fs /dev/sdb' appears to work fine, however.  I still don't know
> if this won't hurt anything...  Just skiddish before trusing 60 GB of
> data to it (although it is backed up via networker)

There shouldn't be anything inherently wrong with a 70G
partition. Linux limit for a partition size is somewhere in the TB
range. I bet it'll make for some LONG fsck times though!

You might read the Large Disk HOWTO to see if it gives you any
ideas. It's mostly for IDE, but there is at least a section
SCSI. Perhaps you can feed the kernel a geometry of your own choosing
via the lilo "append" option with something 

Re: gnus-list-identifiers

[Felix Natter]

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > "Felix" == Felix Natter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Felix> Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> If I get a mailing list that prefixes subject lines with
> >> [Cocoon Devel], how do I remove it?
> >> 
> >> In earlier versions of Gnus, this worked:
> >> 
> >> (setq gnus-list-identifiers "\\(\\[Cocoon Devel\\]\\)")
> 
> Felix> It seems like with Gnus 5.8.7, you have to omit the
> Felix> subexpression-saving braces (\\(...\\)).
>  
> >> however, as of 5.8.7 it no longer works :-(
> 
> Felix> I remember having read about this in the manual - it seems
> Felix> like it was mentioned like this in there. Maybe this is
> Felix> still an error in the manual.  Can you tell me where this
> Felix> is described ?
> 
> Info Page --> Article Treatment --> Article Hiding
> 
> and
> 
> C-h v gnus-list-identifiers
> 
> If you can no longer use a regexps (like the documentation says you
> can), then I don't know how it could work for more then one mailing
> list. However, at the moment I only do have one mailing list, so I
> will try that.

No. you still use a regular expression, but without "\\(..\\)" surrounding
it (this was used for subexpression replacement. i.e.
you have str="hello world...", then you do
(string-match "\\(hello\\) world.*" str)
which gives you
(match-string 1) => "hello"
and you can easily replace the subexpression with "").
If you still do this, it will confuse Gnus because your regular-expression
is wrapped in another one, which uses \\(..\\) to find subexpressions..

C-h v gnus-list-identifiers:

gnus-list-identifiers's value is 
nil

Documentation:
Regexp that matches list identifiers to be removed from subject.
This can also be a list of regexps.

You can customize this variable.

Defined in `gnus-sum'.
-- 
Felix Natter

Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Felix Natter]

Hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 12:03 PM 7/28/00 -0400, Ethan Pierce wrote:
> >Hi, I was reading today on slashdot about Evolution 0.3.  They have a
> download link for the tar.gz file.  I was wondering if the apt-get utility
> will work if I use the spidermonkey.helixgnome.com source for the update?
> Has anyone else tried this?
> >
> >Thanks -Ethan
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> /dev/null
> >
> >
> I don't want to start a war here, but what's so great about Evolution? It
> looks more like a regression to me. It imitates M$ in more than one way: it
> looks like it, has the same bloat factor and packs way to many features in
> a single frame. Where is the innovation? I switched from KDE to Gnome
> because I saw smarter programs being developed by the Gnome team, but after
> seeing Gnumeric and now this Evolution I start to doubt.

I don't think that Evolution is targeted towards experienced users. I think
the purpose of it is to get some Windows-users to switch to linux, and to
provide an MS-exchange server. It seems like it will be better and surely
safer than Outlook, so there is much reason for windows-users to switch to
linux/GNOME. It would be great if evolution could use for example the GIMP
ui (many windows), but in that case it might not succeed in providing an
easy replacement for Outlook.

afaik there are other programs for experienced users (balsa ?, (x)emacs
with VM/Gnus ...).

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Re: Helix Gnome Evolution 0.3

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 09:03:57PM +0200, Felix Natter wrote:

> It seems like it will be better and surely safer than Outlook,

Why better and, most particularly, why safer?  Given that GNOME is
built to allow components to interact with one another via scripting,
there is no reason to suppose that the same problems faced by MS
Office could not find their way into a GNOME environment.  Once you
start building tools to make their interaction apparently seamless,
you face the possibility that someone is going to exploit that
seamlessness.  There is nothing magical about Free software that
makes it immune to those problems.

A

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Re: Fetchmail isn't working the way it should.

[Alberto]

use:

poll POP_SERVER protocol POP3:
user POP_USER, no keep, no rewrite, fetchall
password YOUR_PASSWD;


At 23:11 03/08/00 +0200, Sven Burgener wrote:

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:02:19PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have recently setup Fetchmail as a demon polling 3 mail servers
> every five minutes when I'm online.

Wow, that's quite frequent.

> It downloads the mail without problems but it doesn't delete it
> from the servers after downloading.  I do not have 'keep' in any
> of the user lines in .fetchmailrc.

Have you tried 'fetchall'? Worked for me.

[snip]

> Any ideas anyone?

HTH

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How is leafnode's delaybody supposed to work?

[Christian Pernegger]

I'd like to proxy news in a LAN with a potato server and 2 Windows clients.
Both low and high traffic text groups will be read and some binary groups
scavenged :)

The obvious choice for me was leafnode, BUT the standard mode where it gets
all messages in all groups is obviously to expensive in terms of bandwidth,
as well as ineffective - probably only 1/10th of all messages are actually
read.

In delaybody=1 mode it will download only headers, replace the bodies with a
pseudo-message comfirming it has been marked for the next retreival and
retreive the real body the next time fetchnews is run...

It says in the docs this doesn't work with Netscape, but it also doesn't
work properly with Forte Agent or XNews (=every reader with cache). Also,
I'd have to cron fetchnews every minute to allow the users normal reading.

Did I setup something wrong? If not, what would one use delaybody for?

And, most importantly, how can I achieve the desired effect: (not
necessarily with leafnode)

* clients can connect to the local "newsserver" and see the combined active
files of all configured servers

* headers are refreshed regularly and stored on the server

* as soon as a user requests a body, if is fetched and piped through from
the upstream server


Regards

Christian

X crashed on laptop update

[Karsten Bolding]

Hello

I just updated updated X (woody) on my laptop with the result it does
not work anymore. From windows I get it's a ATI LT PRO and I use the
Mach64 server. I've not changed anything else in X.
The only thing I get is the lowest few pixels on the screen are turned
on - the rest is black

Sorry I a similar question has just been posted but I've been away for a
week where I could not follow the mailing list and Sunday I go again and
would like the laptop to work.

Karsten

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some tcsh questions

[Jonas Moberg]

I've (after many years of use..) been looking up what my shell actually can do 
for me to make my life easier. I've been going thru the features of tcsh (first 
shell I ever used, but I'm determined to go thru bash and zsh or ksh (when time 
permits that is..)).

So, of course, I got some questions for you all.. ;-) When I was reading the 
tcsh man-page I found some interesting examples on how to set the xterm title.


   postcmd Runs before each command gets executed.

   > alias postcmd  'echo -n "^[]2\;\!#^G"'

   then  executing  vi  foo.c  will  put  the command
   string in the xterm title bar.


This is something I've been looking for a long time, being able to print the
current process in the xterm-title (be it "top" or "joe" or whatever). Not that 
this example works of course ;).. But why? Is it depending on the 
window-manager?

I've read the xterm-title mini-howto and it simply says it's "hard" to do it 
in any other shell than zsh (the author welcomes any suggestions).

Just for your info, I can't seem to get these other xterm-titles using
cwdcmd to work either. I'm not so good that I understand what ^[]2; and ^G
does.


   cwdcmd  Runs after every change of working directory.  For
   example,  if  the  user  is working on an X window
   system using xterm(1) and  a  re-parenting  window
   manager  that  supports  title bars such as twm(1)
   and does

   > alias cwdcmd   'echo  -n  "^[]2;${HOST}:$cwd
   ^G"'

   then  the  shell  will  change  the  title  of the
   running xterm(1) to be the name  of  the  host,  a
   colon,  and the full current working directory.  A
   fancier way to do that is

   >  alias   cwdcmd   'echo   -n
   "^[]2;${HOST}:$cwd^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"'

   This  will  put the hostname and working directory
   on the title bar but only the hostname in the icon
   manager menu.

   Note  that  putting  a cd, pushd or popd in cwdcmd
   may cause an infinite loop.  It  is  the  author's
   opinion  that  anyone  doing so will get what they
   deserve.


I've experimented with the methods described in the the xterm-title mini
howto succesfully. But this thing one eluding me..

Of course, if you got any solutions or suggestions for bash or other shells
feel free to share them.. ;)



While I'm at it, I'll get another tcsh issue of my chest. Is there any 
possibility to get TAB to do the the tcsh list-glob function (lists global 
patterns) aswell as the commands-, dir-, var-, env-completion that it does by 
default? 

Thanks!

Re: ppp connection speed

[Jesús Ruiz de Infante]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:48:32AM +0200, Philippe MICHEL wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am using Debian slink, and a standard modem/pppd connection to my
> provider. 
> 
> Everything works well since years (I used the same config with Slakware)
> 
> But how/where can I see with which speed the modem has been connected ??
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -- 
> - Philippe MICHEL

I use the following /etc/chatscripts/provider file:

ABORT BUSY
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT VOICE
ABORT "NO DIALTONE" 
ABORT "NO ANSWER"
"" ATZ
OK ATX4
OK ATW1
OK ATDT947650210
CONNECT \d\c

The commands to display connection speed are:

ATX4: wait for dialtone, send CONNECT  when connected, else send send NO 
DIALTONE or 
BUSY as appropiate
ATW1: inform about modem-to-pc speed as CONNECT  and connection speed as 
CARRIER 

Deppending on your modem you could need ATQ0 and ATV1 too.  

Here you have a connection log as given by syslogd in /var/log/ppp.log :

Aug  4 12:09:45 tejeringo pppd[691]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: abort on (BUSY)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: abort on (VOICE)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: send (ATZ^M)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: expect (OK)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: ATZ^M^M
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: OK
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]:  -- got it 
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: send (ATX4^M)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: expect (OK)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: ^M
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: ATX4^M^M
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: OK
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]:  -- got it 
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: send (ATW1^M)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: expect (OK)
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: ^M
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: ATW1^M^M
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: OK
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]:  -- got it 
Aug  4 12:09:46 tejeringo chat[692]: send (ATDT947650210^M)
Aug  4 12:09:47 tejeringo chat[692]: expect (CONNECT)
Aug  4 12:09:47 tejeringo chat[692]: ^M
Aug  4 12:10:14 tejeringo chat[692]: ATDT947650210^M^M
Aug  4 12:10:14 tejeringo chat[692]: CARRIER 49333^M<<< your 
question
Aug  4 12:10:15 tejeringo chat[692]: ^M
Aug  4 12:10:15 tejeringo chat[692]: PROTOCOL: LAP-M^M
Aug  4 12:10:15 tejeringo chat[692]: ^M
Aug  4 12:10:15 tejeringo chat[692]: CONNECT
Aug  4 12:10:15 tejeringo chat[692]:  -- got it 
Aug  4 12:10:15 tejeringo chat[692]: send (\d)
Aug  4 12:10:16 tejeringo pppd[691]: Serial connection established.
Aug  4 12:10:16 tejeringo pppd[691]: Using interface ppp0
Aug  4 12:10:16 tejeringo pppd[691]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1
Aug  4 12:10:21 tejeringo pppd[691]: Cannot determine ethernet address for 
proxy ARP
Aug  4 12:10:21 tejeringo pppd[691]: local  IP address 212.7.57.115
Aug  4 12:10:21 tejeringo pppd[691]: remote IP address 62.14.9.104


By the way, what means 'Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP'?

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Re: Very large SCSI drives and partitioning.

[Richard Kaszeta]

Gary Hennigan writes ("Re: Very large SCSI drives and partitioning."):
>There shouldn't be anything inherently wrong with a 70G
>partition. Linux limit for a partition size is somewhere in the TB
>range. I bet it'll make for some LONG fsck times though!
>
>You might read the Large Disk HOWTO to see if it gives you any
>ideas. It's mostly for IDE, but there is at least a section
>SCSI. Perhaps you can feed the kernel a geometry of your own choosing
>via the lilo "append" option with something like:
>
>append="sda=8924,255,63"
>
>Don't rely on my math above either

This didn't really do anything, but feeding c=8924,h=255,s=63 to fdisk
seems to have done the trick.  It formatted cleanly, mounted cleanly,
and now I'm copying data to it.  We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for the help.

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Cyber Cafe with Linux

[Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira]

Hi all,
I have to build a cyber cafe with 9 clients and 1 server all with Linux!
It has to have scanner, printers (with accounting), webcams, CD-R, Zip
and acouting.
What scanner I can buy?
What printer and system printing I can use?
What webcam? CD-R? And system accounting for Net users I use?
Thanks, Paulo Henrique

Re: xterm and shell behaviors

[Moritz Schulte]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 03:55:39PM -0400, Thomas J. Hamman wrote:

> 1.  When I press tab to autocomplete something in the command line,
> and there are more than one possible autocompletion, the shell BEEPS.
> This is very annoying, especially when my gf is asleep within ten feet
> of my computer. :) How can I disable this?

see man bash. (search for 'bell'). it is a thing from the 'readline'
library. you've to put "set bell-style none" in your ~/.inputrc or the
system wide /etc/inputrc...


> 2.  I like my xterms to have a black background and gray text, like
> the console; how can I make this the default setting?  (I know how to
> do it with command line options, but I want it to be default.)  I
> noticed there are commented lines for such settings in
> /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm, but uncommenting those lines seems to have
> no effect.

there was a xfree86-common package (version 3.3.6-8?), with a bug,
which caused that the xresources were not read. are you running this
version?

or, did you forget to restart X (or to run xrdb) after you have
uncommented these lines?

> 3.  The delete key seems to function the same as the backspace key
> in xterm; how can I change it to delete the character in _front_ of
> the cursor instead?

which debian version are you running? if you are running potato see
/usr/share/doc/xterm/README.Debian.

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Questions on Slack / *BSDs

[Sven Burgener]

Dear debs

Could anyone using (or having used) Slackware please tell me what's 
(particularly) good about it? -> What particular things made you 
choose Slack?

>From what I've read, it's probably the distro closest to the
"roll-your-own" type of thing. Correct?

Slack's package format is ".tgz"; correct? Is that a plain tar file, like
the ending suggests or what?

Now, whilst we're at it; I'd also like to hear what's special about 
(Net|Free|Open)BSD.

Firstly, what are the differences between them all?
And, how do they compare to (Debian GNU /) Linux ... and to each other?

Which are free? (Suppose OpenBSD sounds pretty free :)

I've never used anything but {Debian GNU,SuSE} / Linux and AIX.
(Talking about real OS' here, so I'm not counting winhose :)

Thanks
Sven

Re: xterm and shell behaviors

[Tom Marshall]

The system defaults for X apps are under usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults. The
user preferences are read from ~/.Xresources and/or ~/.Xdefaults.  The
preferences for colors and what to do with ^G (the beep) can be set in these
files.  The manpages for xrdb and xterm should be helpful also.  To save you
some reading, try adding these to your ~/.Xresources:

XTerm*background:   black
XTerm*foreground:   gray
XTerm*visualBell:   False

See the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt for a comprehensive list of the
color names that X will recognize, or just use the #rrggbb hex codes.

I know there are solutions for the backspace/delete thing, but I have not
dealt with it in some time.  There are many ways to tackle this one.  Might
I suggest that you try rxvt instead of xterm?  The default Debian rxvt has
the correct (imho) backspace/delete mappings.

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Thomas J. Hamman wrote:

> I'm a new convert to Debian, and I need a little help changing a few 
> behaviors of xterm and the shell (bash).
> 
> 1.  When I press tab to autocomplete something in the command line, and there 
> are more than one possible autocompletion, the shell BEEPS.  This is very 
> annoying, especially when my gf is asleep within ten feet of my computer. :)  
> How can I disable this?
> 
> 2.  I like my xterms to have a black background and gray text, like the 
> console; how can I make this the default setting?  (I know how to do it with 
> command line options, but I want it to be default.)  I noticed there are 
> commented lines for such settings in /etc/X11/Xresources/xterm, but 
> uncommenting those lines seems to have no effect.
> 
> 3.  The delete key seems to function the same as the backspace key in xterm; 
> how can I change it to delete the character in _front_ of the cursor instead?
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.  I'm enjoying Debian, it's much better than the 
> other distros I've tried. :)
> 
> Tom
> 
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C programming

[Christophe TROESTLER]

Hi the list,

I apologize if that is a little bit off topic but I am a bit puzzled
and  I  know there  are  experts  on this  list.   I  would like  an
explanation on why the two "for" below give different results.

Thanks,
ChriS


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#include 

main()
{
  double x, y, z;
  int t;
  
  for(x=.5, y=1./4., t=1;   z= x + y, z > x;   y /=2,  t++)
;
  printf("t=%i\n", t);

  for(x=.5, y=1./4., t=1;  x+y > x;   y /=2,  t++)
;
  printf("t=%i\n", t); 
}

Re: Questions on Slack / *BSDs

[Dan Brosemer]

On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 11:26:44PM +0200, Sven Burgener wrote:
> Could anyone using (or having used) Slackware please tell me what's 
> (particularly) good about it? -> What particular things made you 
> choose Slack?

It was around and (IMO) better than Yggdrasil when I used it. :)

> >From what I've read, it's probably the distro closest to the
> "roll-your-own" type of thing. Correct?

Yes.  You know very well what's going on on the system (not that you don't
on Debian, just that slack is a smaller system, takes less into account,
etc.  It's a great system, but I wouldn't use it today.  Others are welcome
(and expected) to disagree.

> Slack's package format is ".tgz"; correct? Is that a plain tar file, like
> the ending suggests or what?

Not quite.  I believe it has some metadata.  I could just be attributing the
OpenBSD packaging to Slackware, though... haven't used Slack in a long time.

> Now, whilst we're at it; I'd also like to hear what's special about 
> (Net|Free|Open)BSD.

Oh, here's a big topic.

NetBSD focuses on being portable to every 32-bit or better archatecture ever
dreamed of.  It pretty much succeeds too.  My uVAX][ runs NetBSD, but that's
my only experience with it, so I'll stop now on this one.

FreeBSD tries very hard to be blindingly fast on Intel hardware.  It succeeds 
in almost every respect.  Its disk I/O is absolutely incredible.  I use it
on every webserver I set up.  As of late, they're also taking security to be
a big concern.

OpenBSD is without a doubt the most securable/secure-by-default UNIX (and
arguably operating system) available.  I use it for almost every other
machine I set up (I don't for the machines that have a user sit at them,
though, for that, I use Debian).  I love that it emails me with diffs on all
files in /etc every night... that its default firewall is stateful (yeah, no
ip_masq_icq module!)  It affords the control you had with Slackware, but
gives you a ports tree (the three mentioned BSDs have a ports tree) which
allows you to install packages with almost as much ease as apt.

> Firstly, what are the differences between them all?
> And, how do they compare to (Debian GNU /) Linux ... and to each other?
> 
> Which are free? (Suppose OpenBSD sounds pretty free :)

All three.  BSDI makes a BSD-derived UNIX too.  Once upon a time, it wasn't
free.  I don't know about now.  I really haven't paid any attention too it.

> I've never used anything but {Debian GNU,SuSE} / Linux 

I haven't used SuSE.  Don't think I will as Debian seems to meet all my
needs.

> and AIX.

I'm sorry. :)

-Dan

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Re: C programming

[John Reinke]

Quick answer here - I'll make two assumptions:

1) This is NOT for a programming assignment. ;-)

2) Using the comma within a condition is treated as AND (&&). That's
messier code than I usually create.

Making the z = x + y assignment is part of the loop's condition, so it is
evaluated at whatever the value is, in addition to the z > x. If the
assignment is does not evaluate to the same value (true or false) as the
>, it can change the number of times the loop cycles. Move z = x + y out
of the condition part of the for statement, and you will have the same
results from both loops.

Also, it depends on how decimal values evaluate into either true or false,
since that is what the z = x + y assigment gives to the condition. You can
write a little program to test that out, and it will probably answer your
question.

John

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Christophe TROESTLER wrote:

> I apologize if that is a little bit off topic but I am a bit puzzled
> and  I  know there  are  experts  on this  list.   I  would like  an
> explanation on why the two "for" below give different results.
> 
> Thanks,
> ChriS
> -.??.???`?.??.-.??.???`?.??.-.??.???`?.??.-.??.???`?.??.-.??.???`?.??.-
> 
> #include 
> 
> main()
> {
>   double x, y, z;
>   int t;
>   
>   for(x=.5, y=1./4., t=1;   z= x + y, z > x;   y /=2,  t++)
> ;
>   printf("t=%i\n", t);
> 
>   for(x=.5, y=1./4., t=1;  x+y > x;   y /=2,  t++)
> ;
>   printf("t=%i\n", t); 
> }