Replacing system hard drive?

[Jerry E. McGoveran]

My hard drive is starting to make noise, so I bought a replacement.  What
is the recommended way to make the switch?  All my Linux partitions are
on this disk except the swap partition.  My Win95 OS is on a separate drive.
This is a SCSI disk running 2.0.35 if that makes any difference.

Regards,

Jerry



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Re: resetting dselect

[Beavis]

ok, well lets just say this:

what if the packages are in the upacked (not set up); install (was: install)
state.
and i want the dselect to just ignore the face that they are not set up>

the reason why is that i can't install anything without gettting ride of
this packages first.

is there an easier way around this?


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Beavis) wrote:
> >hello, i installed a few .deb manually meaning
> >
> >dpkg -i 
> >
> >but dselect thinks that are are still unconfigured, which is not true
>
> They aren't just in obsolete/local? If they are, you can safely ignore
> them. If dselect thinks they're unconfigured then they probably are
> (dselect gets its information from the dpkg database, and installing via
> dselect is really not much different from 'dpkg -i'); does 'dpkg
> --configure -a' help?
>
> >how do u reset the deselect so that it doesn't pick up the packages as
> >existing in the system
>
> Er, if a package has been installed with dpkg than you can't tell
> dselect it doesn't exist without doing serious violence to your
> packaging system. I don't recommend that at all.
>
> --
> Colin Watson   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: Lying to dpkg?

[Phoenix Amon]

Jonas wrote:
> Have a look at the equivs package. The other programs should find
> your programs as long as you have them in the $PATH. 

For anyone who's interested, I took this route since it would solve the problem
once and for all. Other than the fact that the equivs package fails to list its
own dependencies (makedeb was the one that caught me up for a few minutes) it
went smoothly and seems to be working perfectly. dpkg and dselect are no longer
nagging me about installing apache or mysql.

Thanks everyone for the help.

Phoenix

Re: (not)lame batch job

[Peter Wintrich]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Hans wrote:

> I've been comparing (not)lame313 and bladeenc today and (not)lame does
> sound equally good at 128 compared to bladeenc at 256 bitrate. I use The
> Who's 'Won't Get Fooled Again' for comparison, if you wonder.
> 
> What I can't get done with (not)lame is batch jobs. Bladeenc simply names
> the mp3 after the original file, changing wav to mp3. You can type
> $bladeenc *.wav and all the wav files in the directory get encoded. How can
> you do this with (not)lame, as it requires both input and output name? --hans
> 
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I'm using cdenc 

- snip ---
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
# Creation of whole mp3 Suite of one CD
#
# Version 0.3.5 of 06.07.1999 by Stephan Skrodzki
# 
 snip -

with little changes with lame or gogo.
a very easy way to create *.mp3 from complete CD with playlist and html
index.

lucky day
Peter

Re: (not)lame batch job

[Peter Wintrich]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Hans wrote:

> I've been comparing (not)lame313 and bladeenc today and (not)lame does
> sound equally good at 128 compared to bladeenc at 256 bitrate. I use The
> Who's 'Won't Get Fooled Again' for comparison, if you wonder.
> 
> What I can't get done with (not)lame is batch jobs. Bladeenc simply names
> the mp3 after the original file, changing wav to mp3. You can type
> $bladeenc *.wav and all the wav files in the directory get encoded. How can
> you do this with (not)lame, as it requires both input and output name? --hans
> 
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supplementary information:

see attached README 
CDENC - A whole CD Encoding Script
--

This is Version 0.3.5 (the 6. released Version)

Made by Stephan Skrodzki
Mannheim, Germany
Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.stevekist.de

a) What is it for?

CDENC lets you mp3-encode a whole CD, writes a tracks.idx, albums.idx
and .idx file for the sajber-jukebox, writes an index.html 
for WWW requests and generates an overview index.html with all albums.
CDENC also generates mp3info tags for usage with many popular players 
on different OS types.

b) What do you need for it?

* cdenc (as you have it right now...) from
  http://www.cybercable.tm.fr/~steve
* l3enc from the Fraunhofer IIS (http://www.iis.fhg.de/audio/)
* The sajber-jukebox from Wizball
  (http://kewl.campus.luth.se/~wizball/jukebox/)
* cda by Ti Kan (http://sunsite.unc.edu/~cddb/xmcd/)
* cdda2wav by Heiko (e.g. ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/cdda2wav/)
* mp3info by Thorvald Natvig (ftp://bimbo.hive.no/pub/mp3info/)

c) How do you install it?

Put cdenc wherever you like (/usr/local/bin/ would be a nice place)
and install cdenc.1 in the appropriate manpath.

For configuration issues look at the top of cdenc... It should be easy
at all...

Sorry I don't have a command line option for setting the device to grab from,
but they look a little bit strange for cdda2wav 

d) And how to use?

First of all cdenc has some help inside. Do cdenc -help for that.
Second cdenc has a manpage... Look for it, please.
Third cdenc has a source :-)

So, what is the normal way you work? 

Create a directory e.g. ~/musik/ and make a cd to that
directory. Think about what medianame you'd like to give your first
mp3 media. Perhaps call it mp3cd001 as other 998 will follow :-).
Start cdenc -medname  & and come back after a few hours 
(or do you have an alpha?). 

After that have a look at the things which were produced... 

Create a bookmark leading to ~/musik//index.html to have an 
overview of your disk... Use the sajber jukebox, create a new browser,
and collect files by index file in the edit browser section. Thats all.

e) Hints

If you have a cd which has no database entry yet, create one using
xmcd. You could add/renew the index anytime you like using the -nomp3
option. 

If you're online you should configure your xmcd to get data entries
over the net...

Beware: xmcd 2.2PL0 has a small bug in cda, which doesn't let it handle
local databases correct. Get PL1.

f) to be done

Nothing so far... If you like to have changes feel free to do them in
the source, if you think they are important for other mail them to me.

So far to this
 feel free to drop me a line when you like this program, don't
 hesitate to flame when you hate it :-)

  Steve

Re: Debian

[Bart Friederichs]

Hi,

Well, thanks for all that info. Guess the support and packaging does it for
Debian. Sounds good. And then to mention that not long ago I read that
Debian had no support. I installed Debian, but haven't used it long yet, so
we'll see.

thx
Bart

Re: Mounting Sound Blaster Pro CD-ROM

[Peter Wintrich]

I thing the most SB-CD ROM only support audio.

bootmessage > only audio will work

last test with 2.0.36 

Peter

On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, David Densmore wrote:

> I just installed an old Sound Blaster Pro CD-ROM and compiled kernel
> support for it.  I think I have done everything right because the boot
> messages list it at the right address and it seems to be named sbpcd-0.
> It is also listed in /proc/devices as a block device.
> 
> But I can't figure out how to mount it.  I've tried things like:
> 
> mount -t iso9660 /dev/sbpcd-0 /cdrom
>   "" "  /dev/sbpcd0 "
>   "" "  sbpcd-0 "
> 
> and every combination and permutation I can think of, but I just can't
> figure out the proper command.  Anyone happen to know this?
> 
> Thank you,
> David Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
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Re: Debian

[Bart Friederichs]

> > And don't give me the 'it is the only really non-commercial version'
> > crap.
>
> What makes you think anyone intended to do so?  Remarks like that serve
> only to discourage useful answers.
Most Linux users I talked to on IRC are a bit principal (is that the right
english word for it?) and *will* give these answers. I assumed that on
mailingslists will be the same kind of people than on IRC. Maybe that wasn't
right to assume (is it?). I also have those principles and would've given
such an answer. You're right when I should have just another term than
'crap'. Sorry for that.

Bart

Re: glibc-compat ???

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Jose" == Jose Marin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi all, I'm reposting this question because I didn't get any
> answer recently.  Maybe this has been discussed before but I
> haven't been able to dig it up from the mailing list archives or
> dejanews.

> I'm using several machines, some with potato, some with woody.
> I need to install a free (as in gratis, not speech) F compiler,
> which needs glibc2.0 and won't work with glibc2.1.  Other people
> with Suse or RedHat have reported the same problem, and they
> have fixed it installing "compatibility" packages containing
> glibc2.0. To be exact, they mention installing the
> compat-glibc-5.2-2.0.7.1 rpm and adding a
> -L/usr/i386-glibc20-linux/lib to the end of the compile line.

Maybe you could use alien and install the rpm?  I thing potato and
woody is totally commited to 2.1

Marshal

> It seems we don't have such "compatibility" packages for Debian;
> what am I missing?  Could one install slink's glibc2.0 in a
> non-obstrusive way under potato or woody?

> FWIW, the error messages are of this type:
> /usr/local/lib/F/libf90.a(open.o): In function `__NAGf90_open':
> open.o(.text+0xc77): undefined reference to `_fxstat'

> TIA,

> Jose


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HPFS partitions

[Sandy Shapiro]

Linux is in my /dev/hdb1 partition.

OS/2 files are in three HPFS partitions: /dev/hda3; /devhda4; and
/dev/hda5.

My question is:

What command do I issue in Linux so that I can access the HPFS partitions
from Linux and copy files from OS/2 to Linux. (I have some .tar files
sitting in OS/2 that I want to move over to Linux).

Thanks,

Sandy

Difference between woody and potato

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that potato is
always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And that woody is the
code-name for the 2.2 release.  So why is unstable pointing to woody,
and frozen to potato?  I found this out when I tried to get gimp1.1
and found it not there, even when my sources.list is pointing to
unstable.  Mind you, gimp1.1 should be in unstable anyways, I think,
since it's going into 2.2.  (or is it?)  Clarification and corrections
are appreciated.

Dazed and Confused. :)

Marshal

TEX: tex.fmt, latex.fmt, jadetex.fmt missing.

[Brendan J Simon]

I'm having the familiar *.fmt files missing when trying to use tex.  The
mail archives suggest that the solution is to install tex from the
proposed-updates directories but that solution doesn't work (at least
not any more).

The URL
ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates/.4/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates

does not exist anymore.

ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux is now at ftp.freesoftware.com but the directory
path does not exist.
I have setup my /etc/apt/sources.list file to

I have browsed
ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates/

and
ftp://ftp.debian.org/dists/slink-proposed-updates/
and there is no mention of any tex packages.  I point apt at these sites
any it says that my tex distribution is the newest available when I try
to install.

What is the current solution to the tex.fmt, latex.fmt, jadetex.fmt
problem ?
I'm getting a little frustrated now.  I don't want to go back to RedHat.

I hope someone can help.  Thanks,
Brendan Simon.



-- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ---

Go to an ftp archive and go into the proposed-updates for
slink. There was some sort of y2k problem with tex where
the make format or something to that effect failed. Anyway, the
updated package will work. In fact here is the url for
the cdrom debian archive.

ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates/.4/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates

brian

On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 12:56:30PM -0800, G. Crimp wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   I've been using TeX at work for a few weeks now.  Last week I
got a
> new computer and installed 2.1 on it (same as was on the old box).  As
far
> as I can tell, I have all the appropriate tetex packages in place.
TeX no
> longer works, though.  When I try to run tex on a .tex file, I get the

> following error:
>
>   This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.2)
>   I can't find the format file `tex.fmt'!
>
> The tetex docs say to run the command `texconfig init' in such a
case.  When
> I run it I get tons of output, including the following excerpts:
>
>   [...]
>   Beginning to dump on file tex.fmt
>(format=tex 1999.12.30)
>   [...]
>   No pages of output.
>   Transcript written on tex.log
>   [...]
>
> The command continues to run producing similar output concerning latex
and
> metafont.  However, the file tex.fmt is nowhere to be found on my file

> system.  Maybe the line "No pages of output." explains that.  I
thought I
> could get some answers from the transcript in tex.log, but that file
appears
> not to have been written anywhere either.
>
> Anybody know what I have done wrong on this new computer, or more
> positively, how I can back to writing documentation with TeX ?

Re: Large Hard Drive Problems, HELP!

[Carel Fellinger]

hi Brian

> I know there is/was a problem with large hard drives. I am using the
> Asus P5A motherboard, with its on board IDE controllers. I have each
> drive as master on the two controllers.

I had similar problems with the very same mb. For some reason the way this
BIOS tells the size of the drives capacity is not understood by the kernel
(atleast that is what I think:). But fortunately it is possible to force
the drive head/cylinder layout upon the kernel.

At the lilo boot prompt do something like:

   linux hda=1826,25,63 hdc=1826,255,63

or use the append facility of the lili.conf like

   append="hda=1826,255,63 hdc=1826,255,63"

Ofcourse to make it work for you you have to correct the drive letters
and the cylinder/heads/sectors numbers according to your situation. 

PS: only one append line is honoured in lilo.conf!

-- 
groetjes, carel

I Screwed up WindowMaker

[Matheson]

Hey,

I just upgraded WindowMaker on my slink from
http://www.debian.org/~vincent/, but now it doesn't work.  When I start
X Windows, it starts to display the appicon and stuff, but then it goes
back to the login screen.  Does any one know what's wrong?

Thanks,
Cameron Matheson

looking for nice way to throw out old mail in mutt

[esoR ocsirF]

Hello  Dusers,
I like being subscribed to debian user. I also end up not being able to
read it from lack of time. I have exim filter debiaan user into its own
mailbox, but I would like to be able to have messages over a week (or
some other arbitrary time) fed to the /dev/null monster. Does any one
have a nice way to do this? TIA

-- 
Frisco Rose "By any other name, I would smell the same"
E.O.U. Student  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 962-2987

Science Journal Ed. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EOU Hoke Center 307 (541) 962-3787
La Grande, OR. 97850

bootloaders and fips alternative

[esoR ocsirF]

Greetings yet again Dusers,
I have been asked by our Physics Dept. to carve up a win box and install
the one true OS on it. I recall reading a while ago that there was an up
and comming nice replacement (functionally) to fips. Unfotunately I
don't recall the name off hand. Any body know what I am talking about?

Also I wanted to put together a nice boot interface so as not to scare
off the uninitiated. I was hoping for something with pretty grahics and
nice verbose dialogue. I know that I can get lilo to do the job, but...

By the way does anyone know if the new lilo that can handle really large
drives is in potato, or if it is going to make it into potato?

TTFN and TIA

-- 
Frisco Rose "By any other name, I would smell the same"
E.O.U. Student  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 962-2987

Science Journal Ed. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EOU Hoke Center 307 (541) 962-3787
La Grande, OR. 97850

outdated packages

[Jerry J. Jaskierny]

there are several packages included in debian archives that are outdated.
instead of installing the outdated ones, in some cases are useless to me,
i want to compile an updated copy of the source.  i'm trying to figure out
how i can compile this source, and let dpkg/dselect know that they've been
installed.  my first problem was alsa.  i had to compile and updated copy
of alsa.  Esound needs to be installed with support with alsa, but dpkg
doesn't know that alsa has been installed, causing an irritating chain of
dependencies and problems.  does anyone know how to fix this?  i'm sure
this has been answered before, but i couldn't find it anywhere in the
archives.  and please reply to this address, as i am not currently
subscribed to the mailing list.  thank you.  jerry jaskierny

Re: Debian

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Bart" == Bart Friederichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi, Well, thanks for all that info. Guess the support and
> packaging does it for Debian. Sounds good. And then to mention
> that not long ago I read that Debian had no support. I installed
> Debian, but haven't used it long yet, so we'll see.

I think the "no support" part is more of a "no OFFICIAL support".
Debian isn't backed by a company, but it's backed by users, who, I
think, do a better job in the long run.

my 2 cents.  (well, okay, about a penny if you convert from CAD to
USD)

Marshal

> thx Bart


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dpkg forcing new version

[Beavis]

here is the situation dpkg thinks i only have 
QT-1.4.0 installed when in fct i have
QT-1.4.2. 
i have run man idconfig, which work to the extent 
of loading the new libraries, but dselect/dpkg is still convinced that i have 
1.4.0
how can i force it accept the new 
version?
 
thankx for any replies
 
--beavis--

[ot] promise fasttrak66 and other ide raid cards

[Adam Shand]

i'm looking to see if anyone has actually used these cards, they are
hardware ide raid cards.  they sound really nice (support raid 0, 1 and 0+1
and udma66 drives).

there appears to be support for them in the 2.3 kernels (and i've seen a
couple mentions of patches for 2.2 kernels for them but no actual links).

if anyone has sucessfully used these i would love to hear from them.  my
other option are the duplidisk cards which are more expensive and don't
support udma66 transfer speeds but i know they will work under linux.

thanks,
adam.

Re: Mounting the Swap partition

[Ethan Benson]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 07:08:01PM +0100, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> > In my /etc/rc.boot script, I find this line:
> > 
> > swapon -a 2>%1 | sed -e '/busy/d'
> > 
> > Is this the line that is mounting my swap partition?  Do I need
> > this line in the /etc/fstab?
> > 
> > /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0
> > 
> > for the rc.boot script to work?  Because if I don't have this line,
> > you say my swap partition won't be activated?
> > 
> yes, yes, yes, exactly :-)
> 
> btw: i don't know, how it is on debian, but suse works fine, if your
> swap-line is just 
> /dev/hda2 none swap

i don't know about the sw part but i think its a bad idea to leave out
the 0 0 which tells fsck and dump to ignore this partition.

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

Installing old packages

[Matheson]

Hey,

I can't get the new version of WindowMaker to work, but I was wondering
if there was a way to install the old version (the one on the CD of
Debian Slink).  Is this possible?

Thanks,
Cameron Matheson

How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
(Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?

Marshal

Re: resetting dselect

[David Z. Maze]

Beavis  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Beavis> ok, well lets just say this: what if the packages are in the
Beavis> upacked (not set up); install (was: install) state.

Then you should probably configure them, either using 'dpkg
--configure --pending' from the command line or using dselect's
"Configure" option.

-- 
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"Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
-- Abra Mitchell

HPFS partitions

[Sandy Shapiro]

Linux is in my /dev/hdb1 partition.

OS/2 files are in three HPFS partitions: /dev/hda3; /devhda4; and
/dev/hda5.

My question is:

What command do I issue in Linux so that I can access the HPFS partitions
from Linux and copy files from OS/2 to Linux. (I have some .tar files
sitting in OS/2 that I want to move over to Linux).

Thanks,

Sandy

RE: Difference between woody and potato

[Phoenix Amon]

> I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that potato is
> always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And that woody is the
> code-name for the 2.2 release. 

Each version has a code name. The code name doesn't relate to whether the 
distribution is in stable or unstable or frozen. It only relates to the release 
number. 2.1 is slink (currently stable). 2.2 is potato (currently frozen but 
will hopefully soon be stable). And woody refers to what I imagine will become 
2.3 down the line.

Phoenix

Re: TEX: tex.fmt, latex.fmt, jadetex.fmt missing.

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

I'm not sure, but perhaps run fmtutil?  Just a shot in the dark.

Marshal

> "Brendan" == Brendan J Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm having the familiar *.fmt files missing when trying to use
> tex.  The mail archives suggest that the solution is to install
> tex from the proposed-updates directories but that solution
> doesn't work (at least not any more).

> The URL
> 
ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates/.4/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates

> does not exist anymore.

> ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux is now at ftp.freesoftware.com but the
> directory path does not exist.  I have setup my
> /etc/apt/sources.list file to

> I have browsed
> ftp://ftp.freesoftware.com/pub/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates/

> and ftp://ftp.debian.org/dists/slink-proposed-updates/ and there
> is no mention of any tex packages.  I point apt at these sites
> any it says that my tex distribution is the newest available
> when I try to install.

> What is the current solution to the tex.fmt, latex.fmt,
> jadetex.fmt problem ?  I'm getting a little frustrated now.  I
> don't want to go back to RedHat.

> I hope someone can help.  Thanks, Brendan Simon.



> -- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ---

> Go to an ftp archive and go into the proposed-updates for
> slink. There was some sort of y2k problem with tex where the
> make format or something to that effect failed. Anyway, the
> updated package will work. In fact here is the url for the cdrom
> debian archive.

> 
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates/.4/linux/debian/dists/slink-proposed-updates

> brian

> On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 12:56:30PM -0800, G. Crimp wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've been using TeX at work for a few weeks now.  Last week I
> got a
>> new computer and installed 2.1 on it (same as was on the old
>> box).  As
> far
>> as I can tell, I have all the appropriate tetex packages in
>> place.
> TeX no
>> longer works, though.  When I try to run tex on a .tex file, I
>> get the

>> following error:
>> 
>> This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.2) I can't find the
>> format file `tex.fmt'!
>> 
>> The tetex docs say to run the command `texconfig init' in such
>> a
> case.  When
>> I run it I get tons of output, including the following
>> excerpts:
>> 
>> [...]  Beginning to dump on file tex.fmt (format=tex
>> 1999.12.30) [...]  No pages of output.  Transcript written on
>> tex.log [...]
>> 
>> The command continues to run producing similar output
>> concerning latex
> and
>> metafont.  However, the file tex.fmt is nowhere to be found on
>> my file

>> system.  Maybe the line "No pages of output." explains that.  I
> thought I
>> could get some answers from the transcript in tex.log, but that
>> file
> appears
>> not to have been written anywhere either.
>> 
>> Anybody know what I have done wrong on this new computer, or
>> more positively, how I can back to writing documentation with
>> TeX ?


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Re: glibc-compat ???

[Taupter]

> > It seems we don't have such "compatibility" packages for Debian;
> > what am I missing?  Could one install slink's glibc2.0 in a
> > non-obstrusive way under potato or woody?
>
> Maybe you could use alien and install the rpm?  I thing potato and
> woody is totally commited to 2.1
> 

Strange. If i can remember, Slink has libc5 compatibility libs.
Why not glibc2.0 compatibility libs for potato, as RH-based distros
have?

I'm CC'ing this post to debian-devel (the right place to talk about this
issue).


Taupter

input/output error

[Aaron Solochek]

I had to reinstall my system recently, and since then, I have been
unable to get my lcd working, I think the serial port might be messed
up.  I had a backup of my old system, and I had many many versions of
lcdproc, including one from dselect, but they all say the same thing. 


leko:/usr/local/bin#./LCDd -t 20x4 -d MtxOrb -b on
MtxOrb_init: failed (Input/output error)
Error loading driver MtxOrb.  Continuing anyway...

Well, they don't all continue anyways, but all get the i/o error.  I
have used /dev/ttys0 and /dev/ttys1, its got to be one of them. 
Actually, it needs to be /dev/ttys1 since 0 is my UPS, which does seem
to work.  Any ideas?

-Aaron Solochek
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Re: Difference between woody and potato

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Phoenix" == Phoenix Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that
>> potato is always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And
>> that woody is the code-name for the 2.2 release.

> Each version has a code name. The code name doesn't relate to
> whether the distribution is in stable or unstable or frozen. It
> only relates to the release number. 2.1 is slink (currently
> stable). 2.2 is potato (currently frozen but will hopefully soon
> be stable). And woody refers to what I imagine will become 2.3
> down the line.

Ah, all clear now.  Still doesn't explain why gimp1.1 isn't in
unstable, but I guess everyone is working on frozen right now...

Marshal

> Phoenix

Re: Difference between woody and potato

[ktb]

- Original Message -
From: Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 6:44 PM
Subject: Difference between woody and potato


> I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that potato is
> always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And that woody is the
> code-name for the 2.2 release.  So why is unstable pointing to woody,
> and frozen to potato?

I suppose you could break it down more but Debian has three stages:
unstable, frozen and stable.  Hamm, Slink, Potato, Woody are just names and
each name goes through all three steps. I'm sure there is something about
this at the web site if you want more.
hth,
kent


>I found this out when I tried to get gimp1.1
> and found it not there, even when my sources.list is pointing to
> unstable.  Mind you, gimp1.1 should be in unstable anyways, I think,
> since it's going into 2.2.  (or is it?)  Clarification and corrections
> are appreciated.
>
> Dazed and Confused. :)
>
> Marshal
>
>
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Re: outdated packages

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

Try downloading the deb source, patching the source, and then using
dpkg-buildpackage or dpkg --build.  (Check the man pages.)  Make sure
you get the source from the debian website or with apt, if you have
the deb-src lines in sources.list, as it will contain debian
subdirectory in the source tree, which is needed by dpkg to build
debs.

Marshal

> "Jerry" == Jerry J Jaskierny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> there are several packages included in debian archives that are
> outdated.  instead of installing the outdated ones, in some
> cases are useless to me, i want to compile an updated copy of
> the source.  i'm trying to figure out how i can compile this
> source, and let dpkg/dselect know that they've been installed.
> my first problem was alsa.  i had to compile and updated copy of
> alsa.  Esound needs to be installed with support with alsa, but
> dpkg doesn't know that alsa has been installed, causing an
> irritating chain of dependencies and problems.  does anyone know
> how to fix this?  i'm sure this has been answered before, but i
> couldn't find it anywhere in the archives.  and please reply to
> this address, as i am not currently subscribed to the mailing
> list.  thank you.  jerry jaskierny


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Re: Difference between woody and potato

[Taupter]

Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that potato is
> always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And that woody is the
> code-name for the 2.2 release.  So why is unstable pointing to woody,
> and frozen to potato?  I found this out when I tried to get gimp1.1
> and found it not there, even when my sources.list is pointing to
> unstable.  Mind you, gimp1.1 should be in unstable anyways, I think,
> since it's going into 2.2.  (or is it?)  Clarification and corrections
> are appreciated.
> 
> Dazed and Confused. :)
> 

Debian has two branchs:

stable: the well-tested, production-level distribuition.
unstable: in-development distribuiton.

When an unstable version is reaching the poit to be stable, it is
"frozen", and then newer features/packages are no more allowed. It's
time to refine the packages to put them in production-level, and soon
release a new stable distro.

At this time, "frozen" means "almost stable", and a newer unstable brach
arises and continue evolving as usual, with newer packages, et cetera.

The next stable version will be Potato, and it will happen soon (I
hope). Meanwhile, the
bleeding-edge/development/explosive/radioactive/unstable is (and will
be, for a while) Woody (v. 2.3 or something bigger).


Taupter

Re: Time taken by a script

[Debian Linux User]

Ron Rademaker wrote:

> I've written a cgi script in perl an I would like to know how long
> (exactly, 10th of second) it takes to execute the script, how can I do
> this?
>
> Ron
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addendum: you can run CGI scripts in offline mode and feed them their form 
variables
through standard intput or command line args. so do something like $bash>time 
foo.cgi
key=value&key1=value and that will spit back some execution times. Do that 
alot
for an average.

Justin

Re: /etc/rc?.d directories missing on potato install

[Eric G . Miller]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:25:33PM -0500, Jameson Burt wrote:
> Last week I installed potato on a new computer.
> Before the first reboot, I selected one of the category of packages.
> After the first reboot, install let me select more packages, but exited 
> prematurely.  One possible reason would be that /var was limited to the
> size of /, 128MB, so apt-get may have crashed trying to pull down 700MB
> into 128MB of space [I had 10GB of space on /usr/local, which I later 
> linked /var/cache into].

Bad juju that lack of disk space!

> 
> I reinstalled sysvinit to get the /etc/rc?.d directories;
> however, reinstalling other packages like "apache" are not
> creating the links from /etc/rc?.d into /etc/init.d .
> I could make the links myself, but they have a certain number sequence,
> so I had best let the Debian installation create this links.

The first thing that comes to mind, is you have at least one link to the
packages in question in one of the /etc/rc?.d directories. The
update-rc.d won't muck with your links unless there are none.  This way,
every time you do an upgrade, your links don't get screwed with.  If you
want the defaults do "update-rc.d -f  remove ; update-rc.d
 defaults".  That should do the trick.


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Re: I Screwed up WindowMaker

[Aaron Solochek]

What if any errors are displayed on that screen it goes back to? 

-Aaron Solochek
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Matheson wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I just upgraded WindowMaker on my slink from
> http://www.debian.org/~vincent/, but now it doesn't work.  When I start
> X Windows, it starts to display the appicon and stuff, but then it goes
> back to the login screen.  Does any one know what's wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cameron Matheson
> 
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Re: outdated packages

[Jerry J. Jaskierny]

thanks, i'd already thought of that.  but i'd assume there has to be a
more convenient way.  debian can't possibly be built on just the packages
and dependencies it provides.

On 23 Mar 2000, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:

> Try downloading the deb source, patching the source, and then using
> dpkg-buildpackage or dpkg --build.  (Check the man pages.)  Make sure
> you get the source from the debian website or with apt, if you have
> the deb-src lines in sources.list, as it will contain debian
> subdirectory in the source tree, which is needed by dpkg to build
> debs.
> 
> Marshal
> 
> > "Jerry" == Jerry J Jaskierny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > there are several packages included in debian archives that are
> > outdated.  instead of installing the outdated ones, in some
> > cases are useless to me, i want to compile an updated copy of
> > the source.  i'm trying to figure out how i can compile this
> > source, and let dpkg/dselect know that they've been installed.
> > my first problem was alsa.  i had to compile and updated copy of
> > alsa.  Esound needs to be installed with support with alsa, but
> > dpkg doesn't know that alsa has been installed, causing an
> > irritating chain of dependencies and problems.  does anyone know
> > how to fix this?  i'm sure this has been answered before, but i
> > couldn't find it anywhere in the archives.  and please reply to
> > this address, as i am not currently subscribed to the mailing
> > list.  thank you.  jerry jaskierny
> 
> 
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> 
> 

Re: HPFS partitions

[Eric G . Miller]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 04:36:13PM -0500, Sandy Shapiro wrote:
> Linux is in my /dev/hdb1 partition.
> 
> OS/2 files are in three HPFS partitions: /dev/hda3; /devhda4; and
> /dev/hda5.
> 
> My question is:
> 
> What command do I issue in Linux so that I can access the HPFS
> partitions from Linux and copy files from OS/2 to Linux. (I have some
> .tar files sitting in OS/2 that I want to move over to Linux).
> 

$ mount -t hpfs /dev/hda? /mnt

See man mount, man fstab for more info on various flags.

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Re: Is My Copy Bad?

[Taupter]

> Yes I am trying to install Debian from a CDROM and booting from this. I
> am trying to install on a p-133, 32-meg 16xCDROM, IDE hard drive and
> CDROM boot enabled. The installer runs fine, I mount the root partition
> and so on.
> 
> Then I get to the problem step "Install Operating System Kernel and
> Modules". First time round I selected (Install from CDROM - at /dev/hdb

/dev/hdb. It's the problem.

I saw lots of people having the same problem, and the cause was HD and
CD-ROM on the same IDE.

You must open your computer, attach (only) the CD-ROM on the secondary
IDE, and use /dev/hdd instead. If the computer's firmware is so old that
it doesn't recognize one slave device without master on the secondary
IDE, you must change your CD-ROM's jumper to set the CD-ROM drive as
master (/dev/hdc).

It _will_ solve your problem.


Taupter

Re: Difference between woody and potato

[Ben Collins]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 07:44:58PM -0500, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that potato is
> always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And that woody is the
> code-name for the 2.2 release.  So why is unstable pointing to woody,
> and frozen to potato?  I found this out when I tried to get gimp1.1
> and found it not there, even when my sources.list is pointing to
> unstable.  Mind you, gimp1.1 should be in unstable anyways, I think,
> since it's going into 2.2.  (or is it?)  Clarification and corrections
> are appreciated.

potato and woody are just code names. The actual "unstable" is bleeding
edge, and frozen is the next release. Currently potato is frozen (a la
Debian 2.2) and woody is the new unstable. Sooner or later potato will
release and become unstable...then some time down the road woody will
freeze and become frozen...and the whole cycle starts again (but something
else will be the new unstable, not sure of the code name though).

Ben

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Re: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Pollywog" == Pollywog  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On 23-Mar-2000 Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
>> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
>> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz
>> --help and I get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I
>> think tgz shouldn't accept things starting with -- as file
>> names...)  rm always takes it as an option, even if quotes,
>> double-quoted, backslashed, regular-expressioned.  Any
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> Marshal

> try 'rm -- --help.tgz'

Woohoo!  Thanks.  I should have though of that, since I just read
about -- in the bash man pages.

Thanks again.

> (no quotes)

> -- Andrew

Re: libXpm.so.4.11

[Eric G . Miller]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:04:40PM +0100, Jose Alberto Lobo wrote:
> A problem with libXpm.so.4.
> 
> I run debian 2.1, kernel 2.2.14, and recently downloaded and compiled a
> program from  citrix.com  which I need to access through the net certain
> databases on a server running MS-Windows.
> 
> When I try to run the program the shell complains that  "can't load 
> library
> 'libXpm.so.4'". I noticed Debian 2.1 has  libXpm.so.4.10  in  /usr/X11R6/lib.
> In a different computer running  Slackware 4.0, I observed  libXpm.so.4.11
> instead, also in   /usr/X11R6/lib.

I'm guessing that the differences between 4.10 and 4.11 should not be
significant enough to cause breakage. Typically, a symlink is all that
is required (ln -s libXpm.so.4.10 libXpm.so.4).  However, if you compile
the program against a newer version, it's likely to break with older
versions.  I'm not sure why you didn't have the symlink, and the libXpm
in potato is 4.11. 

Looks like another user posted a solution to your Bash problem.

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Re: Time taken by a script

[Debian Linux User]

Ron Rademaker wrote:

> I've written a cgi script in perl an I would like to know how long
> (exactly, 10th of second) it takes to execute the script, how can I do
> this?
>
> Ron
>
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Since Perl is an interpreted language, there are no assurances as to how long 
it will
take to run your script, because it highly dependent on how Perl "decides" to 
process
your instructions. CGI scripts typically are under their own process anyhow, so 
it
also depends on when the OS decides to schedule your script for execution. Since
Linux is not a "Real Time" OS there are no assurances on either front. The point
being that you can get a pretty good average (down to a tenth of a second) in
testing, but execution time may widly vary under a heavy system load.

Solution: Average time under a heavy load and feel comfortable with an average.

Justin

RE: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Pollywog]

On 23-Mar-2000 Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
> get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
> accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
> as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
> regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Marshal

try 'rm -- --help.tgz'

(no quotes)

--
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Re: outdated packages

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

You could also try dummy-package, or make-dummy-package, or something
like that (I've forgotten the name, and amd too lazy to go look it
up.) to create a dummy package that satisfies the dependencies that
you need.  I never did get around to figuring out how to use it
though.

> "Jerry" == Jerry J Jaskierny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> thanks, i'd already thought of that.  but i'd assume there has
> to be a more convenient way.  debian can't possibly be built on
> just the packages and dependencies it provides.

> On 23 Mar 2000, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:

>> Try downloading the deb source, patching the source, and then
>> using dpkg-buildpackage or dpkg --build.  (Check the man
>> pages.)  Make sure you get the source from the debian website
>> or with apt, if you have the deb-src lines in sources.list, as
>> it will contain debian subdirectory in the source tree, which
>> is needed by dpkg to build debs.
>> 
>> Marshal
>> 
>> > "Jerry" == Jerry J Jaskierny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> writes:
>> 
>> > there are several packages included in debian archives that
>> are > outdated.  instead of installing the outdated ones, in
>> some > cases are useless to me, i want to compile an updated
>> copy of > the source.  i'm trying to figure out how i can
>> compile this > source, and let dpkg/dselect know that they've
>> been installed.  > my first problem was alsa.  i had to compile
>> and updated copy of > alsa.  Esound needs to be installed with
>> support with alsa, but > dpkg doesn't know that alsa has been
>> installed, causing an > irritating chain of dependencies and
>> problems.  does anyone know > how to fix this?  i'm sure this
>> has been answered before, but i > couldn't find it anywhere in
>> the archives.  and please reply to > this address, as i am not
>> currently subscribed to the mailing > list.  thank you.  jerry
>> jaskierny
>> 
>> 
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>> 

Re: Difference between woody and potato

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Ben" == Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 07:44:58PM -0500, Marshal Kar-Cheung
> Wong wrote:
>> I'm a bit confused about woody and potato.  I though that
>> potato is always the newest, bleeding edge distribution.  And
>> that woody is the code-name for the 2.2 release.  So why is
>> unstable pointing to woody, and frozen to potato?  I found this
>> out when I tried to get gimp1.1 and found it not there, even
>> when my sources.list is pointing to unstable.  Mind you,
>> gimp1.1 should be in unstable anyways, I think, since it's
>> going into 2.2.  (or is it?)  Clarification and corrections are
>> appreciated.

> potato and woody are just code names. The actual "unstable" is
> bleeding edge, and frozen is the next release. Currently potato
> is frozen (a la Debian 2.2) and woody is the new
> unstable. Sooner or later potato will release and become
> unstable...then some time down the road woody will freeze and
> become frozen...and the whole cycle starts again (but something
> else will be the new unstable, not sure of the code name
> though).

Buzz perhaps?  :)

> Ben

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Re: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Eric G . Miller]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:14:19PM -0500, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
> get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
> accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
> as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
> regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?
> 

I don't think tgz is generally called directly. You probably want to use
'tar -czf mydir.tgz mydir/'.  Anyway, from the rm manpage:
 
   GNU rm, like every program that uses the  getopt  function
   to  parse  its  arguments,  lets  you use the -- option to
   indicate that all following arguments are non-options.  To
   remove  a  file  called `-f' in the current directory, you
   could type either
  rm -- -f
   or
  rm ./-f
   The Unix rm program's use of a single `-' for this purpose
   predates the development of the getopt standard syntax.

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Re: glibc-compat ???

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:42:26AM -0300, Taupter wrote:
> Strange. If i can remember, Slink has libc5 compatibility libs.
> Why not glibc2.0 compatibility libs for potato, as RH-based distros
> have?

They're both libc 6.0 -- how would ld.so know which one you wanted?
Any apps which run on 6.0 and not 6.1 are broken and should be fixed.


Hamish
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Re: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Ethan Benson]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:14:19PM -0500, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
> get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
> accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
> as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
> regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?

like this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]$ touch -- --help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r-1 eb   eb  0 Mar 22 21:40 --help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]$ rm -- --help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]$ ls -l
total 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]$


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Re: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Aaron Solochek]

On a similar note, avoid naming files -v or -r those are real
pains.  A friend of mine had to write system code to delete them... If
he still has it sitting around, I'll pass it on.

Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> 
> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
> get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
> accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
> as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
> regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Marshal
> 
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Re: Replacing system hard drive?

[Hecubus]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:

> My hard drive is starting to make noise, so I bought a replacement.  
> What is the recommended way to make the switch?

Symantec Norton Ghost.

http://www.ghost.com/

 
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Re: I Screwed up WindowMaker

[Hecubus]

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Matheson wrote:

> I just upgraded WindowMaker on my slink from
> http://www.debian.org/~vincent/, but now it doesn't work.  When I start
> X Windows, it starts to display the appicon and stuff, but then it goes
> back to the login screen.

My recommendation is to install the wmaker package from the frozen
directory.

 
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Re: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[kmself]

In this specific case:

rm -- --help

...should do the trick.  The null argument "-- " signifies to most
utilities that the remaining arguments are to be interpreted as
arguments and not options.

Other helpful hints:

 - List the file by inode, find and remove the inode:

 touch -- --help
 ls -i
 find . -inum `ls -i|grep -- '--help'|awk '{print $1}'` -exec rm {}\;

 - Most "strange" characters can be dealt with by quoting.  The above
   inode approach is a good trick to know though.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:14:19PM -0500, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
> get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
> accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
> as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
> regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Marshal
> 
> 
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Re: Replacing system hard drive?

[kmself]

This assumes a spare bay and/or connector.  And a rescue and/or boot
disk.

Install the new hard drive.  Partition it as desired.  If you're happy
with your current partitioning scheme, use that, if not modify it in
the direction you wish you'd done it initially.  Partitioning is a
religious topic.  I generally prefer seperating /, /tmp, /var, /usr,
/home, and /usr/local.

Check for bad blocks.  Use the write test.  It will be more difficult
to do this later.

Create new filesystems.  Mount each to some temporary mount point.  Copy
the intended contents to the new partition.  It's generally useful to
have your system in single-user mode at this point, with most partitions
mounted read-only.

As you copy contents from the old partition to new, you can umount the
old partition, edit your /etc/fstab file to reflect the change, and
issue 

   mount /new/mountpoint

...to mount the new partition.

You won't be able to remount your root partition on an active system, a
shutdown is necessary.  I'm not sure you can update the LILO information
properly -- if you're going to be reconfiguring your SCSI IDs, you may
need to re-run LILO following final drive configuration.  Give it a
shot, edit /etc/lilo.conf to indicate your new (as of next boot) drive
configuration.

Confirm you've got everything from your old drive to the new one.  

Shut down the system.  Disconnect the old drive.

Boot your system.  If it works, congrats.  You can now shut down, remove
your old harddrive, and use it in target practice.

If the system doesn't boot correctly, with messages indicating inability
to find the root FS or init, boot your rescue disk, and modify your LILO
conf appropriately.  If that doesn't work, write back from your *other*
working system :-) 


On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:09:45AM -0800, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:
> My hard drive is starting to make noise, so I bought a replacement.  What
> is the recommended way to make the switch?  All my Linux partitions are
> on this disk except the swap partition.  My Win95 OS is on a separate drive.
> This is a SCSI disk running 2.0.35 if that makes any difference.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Time taken by a script

[Onno]

Ron is rights, but you can get an idea when you do
prepend the time command like: time script
It gives you a few stats.

Regards,

Onno


At 06:19 AM 3/23/00 +, Debian Linux User wrote:
>Ron Rademaker wrote:
>
>> I've written a cgi script in perl an I would like to know how long
>> (exactly, 10th of second) it takes to execute the script, how can I do
>> this?
>>
>> Ron
>>
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>Since Perl is an interpreted language, there are no assurances as to how long 
>it will
>take to run your script, because it highly dependent on how Perl "decides" to 
>process
>your instructions. CGI scripts typically are under their own process anyhow, 
>so it
>also depends on when the OS decides to schedule your script for execution. 
>Since
>Linux is not a "Real Time" OS there are no assurances on either front. The 
>point
>being that you can get a pretty good average (down to a tenth of a second) in
>testing, but execution time may widly vary under a heavy system load.
>
>Solution: Average time under a heavy load and feel comfortable with an average.
>
>Justin
>
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Re: A little bad press about Debian

[Onno]

> Ultimately, it's the similarity between FreeBSD and 
> Linux that's confusing you, not really the differences.

Good quote candidate...

Regards,

Onno

Unable to bind port??

[Mike]

I Installed debian Frozen the other day using the base floppies ans
downloading the rest. I chose the profiles I wanted, and the install
went fine. Then the problems startedgnome was so slow it took at
least 5 minutes to start and 3 minutes for any program to start. Then
I used apt to install blackbox and it worked fine. I have plenty of
memory and gnome has always worked fine with slackware, so I don't know
what the problem is. Also, I used apt to install some other programs,
pan and gaim, and whn i try to start them it said "unable to bind port
" where x was some numbers I can't recall. After this, i reformatted
my hadr disk and reinstalled, and had the same problems. Can anyone help
me???

Thanks,
Mike

Re: 2 networks

[Onno]

Dear George,

Would you be so kind to send me more info on your statement?

Sincerely.

Onno

At 10:25 PM 3/22/00 -0800, George Bonser wrote:
>
>For two months T1 payment you can get wireless at T1 speed that will work
>over that distance with no problem.
>
>
>
>On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Evan Moore wrote:
>
>> currently i have 2 networks, in 2 seperate buildings within 1000m. Both
>> networks have an internet connection(A T1 and a fractional T1); however, I
>> have lost the budjet for one of the internet connections. Is there a way
>> to create a point to point link between the network, that is low cost, and
>> has no monthly lease charge? Can 2 isdn modems directly dial eachother?
>> 
>> Evan Moore

mutt and Turkish

[Patrick]

Hi all,

Does anyone know of instructions in ENGLISH on how to make Turkish fonts
display in mutt? All I can find are things in Turkish that I just
don't have enough grasp of the language to understand.
-- 
Patrick Kirk

Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a rock.

how to upgrade from kerneld to kmod?

[Joseph de los Santos]

Greetings!,

  When I boot up, I get a warning message that kerneld is obsolete and I 
should use kmod instead, if I was using kernel 2.2.x.(I am using 2.2.x) I 
would like to know how I can accomplish this upgrade.


thank you.
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Scanning emails for viruses (exim)

[Graham Ashton]

Can anybody help me to use exim to filter incoming emails for viruses, using
a virus scanning package such as McAffee's VirusScan?

Any success stories, or alternative techniques, would be helpful - I'm still
at the "how should I go about this, and what should I get hold of?" stage.

I've seen the question/answer in the exim FAQ[1], but haven't the first idea
about what ought to go in the script it mentions.

Thanks.

[1] http://www.exim.org/FAQ.html#SEC182

-- 
Graham Ashton

Re: Limping and bleeding with Corel Linux

[Vitux]

> Val Dokuzovic wrote:
>   >found out that I can not install
>   >it on my laptop. ... Turned to my sons old PC NEC Ready 60
Which laptop do you have? what leads you to the
conclusion that you can not install linux on your
laptop? In my experience, very few laptops
actually entirely resist installation of linux.
I've done it on a IBM TP365X, which is a quite
bitchy machine...
You can probably get help at the
debian-laptop-mailing-list.
>   >I installed one copy of linux to my C: drive and one
>   >to my D: drive. The idea was that if I manage to get one crashed I will
>   >simply use the other one, (maybe try to fix the first one with it -
>   >remember I do not really know a lot?) My principal copy was on C: drive.
>   >My "backup" is on D: drive. I got them both running reasonable well. I
>   >had only one problem left: RAM. I have 104M, and machine thought I had
>   >64M. This is where append="mem=104M" in etc/lilo.conf became an option
>   >to try. Last time I tried it I got a bad crash from which could not
>   >recover. (That was what gave me the idea of the two copies). This time I
>   >tried it on my "backup" copy. It did work as far as RAM but boy am I in
>   >a mess now. I can not get my C: copy to run. D: copy I can barely get to
>   >too. It is now for some reason my first "suggested" choice and my C:
...
If you specify the amount of ram reported by the
bios, you will probably get an error like the one
you're describing. You need to specify the amount
available to linux, after the kernel has taken
what it needs. Try specifying 4-8 Mb less than the
actual amount, and you should be fine. (Some of
the gurus can probably give you a more in-depth
explanation...)
 
>   >With all the trouble I went through (and all I still probably will go
>   >through) I am becoming more and more attached to linux, as I slowly
>   >learn its intricacies. But a thought went through my mind. Linux is
>   >supposed to be a free software. Is Debian really free? Is it free if
>   >only programming elite can use it? Or are we mousemen really retarded
>   >now after prolonged use of windows? Attached are my messy etc/lilo.conf
>   >files. One with root at dev/hda2 is my C: copy. Please help. I do not
>   >dare to do anything on my own anymore. If any debian expert lives in
>   >Toronto area I am willing to pay him to get my mlinux machine in a
>   >perfect order. Thank you for help. Val.

Why don't you try a straightforward Debian
install? I did my first install half a year ago,
and except for a bitchy on-board sreen-card, it
went completely smooth. Later when I put in more
ram, someone at the list was able to inform me
that I had to specify slightly less than actually
installed. That was it!. You shouldn't need to
have a dual install; I suggest you use a
rescue-disk instead of confusing you (and the
system) with having two installs...
About your "free"-remarks: I was a
'doze-handicapped average user ½yr ago. I think
you're right: you will be retarded after prolonged
use of windows; but you don't have to be a geek to
run linux.
Please be very specific when reporting errors, try
to give errormessages, and describe what happened
before the "crashes". BTW, you (or your hardware)
must be doing some high-quality strangeness: Linux
(almost) never crashes. I've had one "crash" in 6
months; when the cable to my /hdd (/usr) worked
itself loose...
Please: you gotta dare. You'll love it, once it's
running.

hth
Vitux


-- 
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swiftly changing as a baby's mood...


Debian GNU/Linux
Micro$loth-free Zone

Updated Kernel and KDE

[Alex Kwan]

Hi!
 
I have download the floppies from ftp.us.debian.org and
installed a basic debian linux (potato) box , and now I want to 
complete the system and have 
following questions:
 
(1) updated the kernel to (official 
release 2.2.14) which 
packages do I need ?
 
(2) I can't found the KDE packages in .deb format at ftp.us.debian.org, 
does the KDE supported by 
debian?
 
Thanks

Re: Replacing system hard drive?

[Peter Wintrich]

Hi,

put a new drive (same size or biger) in your system.
the new drive must only be low-level formatet (adapter-bios function).
Then start your linux-system and make 

$> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 or similar

In assumption sda is your old and sdb your new drive.
It's tested with linux, Nt 4.0 and Win95 from 9Gig Micropolis to 9Gig IBM
(a little biger) and run very fine.

But i'm not shure that bs=1024 the best choice. It's possible you waste
some time.

good luck
Peter

PS: excuse my terrible english


 
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:

> My hard drive is starting to make noise, so I bought a replacement.  What
> is the recommended way to make the switch?  All my Linux partitions are
> on this disk except the swap partition.  My Win95 OS is on a separate drive.
> This is a SCSI disk running 2.0.35 if that makes any difference.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Certus Consulting Group   | Specializing in Integrated Circuit
> Antioch, CA 94509 | Design and Verification, Logic
> (925)757-0685 (925)777-1964 (fax) | Synthesis, Fault Grading, Test
>    | Development and Project Management
> 
> 
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Updated Kernel and KDE

[Alex Kwan]

Hi!

I have download the floppies from ftp.us.debian.org and
installed a basic debian linux (potato) box , and now I want to 
complete the system and have following questions:

(1) updated the kernel to (official release 2.2.14) which 
packages do I need ?

(2) I can't found the KDE packages in .deb format at ftp.us.debian.org, 
does the KDE supported by debian?

Thanks

System map doesn't match kernel data

[steve doerr]

I get the following error on boot:

parport_enumerate} {parport_enumerate_R2gig_8ccc39f1}
Warning: /boot/System.map-2.2.14 does not match kernel data.

But when I look in my messages log, what's below is the only thing I see
and I can't find the above error in any of my logs.  (I might mention my
printer is working fine).

Mar 23 11:02:54 debian kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.2.14
Mar 23 11:02:55 debian kernel: Loaded 7273 symbols from
/boot/System.map-2.2.14.
Mar 23 11:02:55 debian kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.2.14.

This just started showing up after the last couple of kernel builds.  I
ran /sbin/lilo, which I thought wrote a new system.map.  How could it
write a new map that doesn't match the kernel that's currently loaded?

Does anyone know how I can fix this (it has been causing some problems)?

Thanks,
Steve

Re: Updated Kernel and KDE

[Neil D. Roberts]

Hi, here´s some answers :)

>(1) updated the kernel to (official release 2.2.14) which
>packages do I need ?

Well, to start off with, you can dowload the kernel-source2.2.14.tgz
from http://www.kernel.org/ Once you have this
file, place into /usr/src and with "tar zxvf kernel-source2.2.14.tgz"
you will extract all the files into a folder called kernel-source2.2.14.
You need to go into that directory, execute "make menuconfig" and
configure your new kernel. Once you have configured it, execute "make
dep" then "make clean" then "make zImage" then "make modules" and
finally "make modules_install". If while making the zImage part, it says
that its to big, then try "make bzImage" followed by the make modules
and make modules_install command. Once all has finished, you need to go
into /usr/src/kernel-source2.2.14/arch/i386/boot and copy the zImage
file to the /boot directory. Once done, cd to / and do "ln -s
/boot/zImage kernel2.2.14". Then you need to go into /etc and edit
lilo.conf. You will see at the bottom:

image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only

All you need to do is put almost the same 3 lines above this, having the
following :

image=/kernel2.2.14
label=Linux
read-only
image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux.old
read-only

And once you have completed this part, save the config, and execute
"lilo" it will show the following:

Added:
Linux *
Linux.old

(* being the default to execute at boot time.)

Now you can reboot the system, and it will boot your new kernel. IF it
goes wrong, and get a nice kernel panic :) then all you need to when
booting the computer is type Linux.old at the LILO: boot prompt

>(2) I can't found the KDE packages in .deb format at ftp.us.debian.org,

>does the KDE supported by debian?

Nope, unfortunatly the KDE packages a re not in the debian distribution,
so you would have to download these packages manually from
http://www.kde.org

If  you have any questions or problems, I`m open !

Much Respect
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Re: Updated Kernel and KDE

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Alex" == Alex Kwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi!  I have download the floppies from ftp.us.debian.org and
> installed a basic debian linux (potato) box , and now I want to
> complete the system and have following questions:

> (1) updated the kernel to (official release 2.2.14) which
> packages do I need ?

Since you're using potato, you can just use dselect to get and install
kernel-image-2.2.14 (or something like that.  dselect should handle
all the dependancies

> (2) I can't found the KDE packages in .deb format at
> ftp.us.debian.org, does the KDE supported by debian?

Check out kde.tdyc.com for info on getting debian packages of KDE.

Marshal

> Thanks


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Re: Updated Kernel and KDE

[Roso Giuseppe \(Beppe\)]

Excuse me, for a kernel compilation I think it's better to use after 'make
menuconfig' (or 'make xconfig') to use 'make-kpkg' (make a .deb package
of kernel). For docs see /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (if the
lacation is the same of slink (2.1).
(After 'make menuconfig' usually I edit Makefile and change the options
-O2 in -O3 in two lines: if possible why don't use in a good mode GCC?)
For KDE it's difficult because I know there are many license problems (it
is'nt GPL). You must search a site that contain deb packages of KDE 1.1.2.

Have a good day.
 Beppe.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Neil D. Roberts wrote:

> 
> Hi, here´s some answers :)
> 
> >(1) updated the kernel to (official release 2.2.14) which
> >packages do I need ?
> 
> Well, to start off with, you can dowload the kernel-source2.2.14.tgz
> from http://www.kernel.org/ Once you have this
> file, place into /usr/src and with "tar zxvf kernel-source2.2.14.tgz"
> you will extract all the files into a folder called kernel-source2.2.14.
> You need to go into that directory, execute "make menuconfig" and
> configure your new kernel. Once you have configured it, execute "make
> dep" then "make clean" then "make zImage" then "make modules" and
> finally "make modules_install". If while making the zImage part, it says
> that its to big, then try "make bzImage" followed by the make modules
> and make modules_install command. Once all has finished, you need to go
> into /usr/src/kernel-source2.2.14/arch/i386/boot and copy the zImage
> file to the /boot directory. Once done, cd to / and do "ln -s
> /boot/zImage kernel2.2.14". Then you need to go into /etc and edit
> lilo.conf. You will see at the bottom:
> 
> image=/vmlinuz
> label=Linux
> read-only
> 
> All you need to do is put almost the same 3 lines above this, having the
> following :
> 
> image=/kernel2.2.14
> label=Linux
> read-only
> image=/vmlinuz
> label=Linux.old
> read-only
> 
> And once you have completed this part, save the config, and execute
> "lilo" it will show the following:
> 
> Added:
> Linux *
> Linux.old
> 
> (* being the default to execute at boot time.)
> 
> Now you can reboot the system, and it will boot your new kernel. IF it
> goes wrong, and get a nice kernel panic :) then all you need to when
> booting the computer is type Linux.old at the LILO: boot prompt
> 
> >(2) I can't found the KDE packages in .deb format at ftp.us.debian.org,
> 
> >does the KDE supported by debian?
> 
> Nope, unfortunatly the KDE packages a re not in the debian distribution,
> so you would have to download these packages manually from
> http://www.kde.org
> 
> If  you have any questions or problems, I`m open !
> 
> Much Respect
> --
> -
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> Calle Rufino Gonzalez, Nº15 - 4ª Planta, Madrid, España 28037
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> 
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Which MTA to use?

[Brooks R. Robinson]

Greetings,
I am looking at changing an in-house e-mail system from an ugly 
combination
of outsourced collection/forwarding and JSMail on an NT server to linux.  We
have an ADSL line coming in, and I can handle all of the DNS and network
stuff through the firewall, but I drop the ball at mail.  We have about 100
clients using Microsoft Outlook, but our legacy address format is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I can't change the address format, and I'd like to
leave POP3 in place.  Which MTA is the best given my limitation?

Thanks,

Brooks

Newbie: Install problems (pre-depend-error, python)

[Thomas Guettler]

I tried to install debian (potato, from march 13th) 
for the first time and have two
problems:
I already have a small running system, and wanted to 
add several packages at once. Dselect says the
following and refuses to install:
pre-depend Error .. fix it and run [I]nstall again
But it doesn't tell me which package is making
trouble.

I can't install python-base because dblib1.8 is not
available. (There is a package called dblib1 and
dblib2, but none which is called dblib1.8)

Can anyone help me, or tell me where i can find 
help?

Thomas Guettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.mypage.org/guettli

Re: Debian

[John Hasler]

Marshal writes:
> I think the "no support" part is more of a "no OFFICIAL support".

debian-user is quite "official".

I think that they mean that there is no paid support.  They're wrong: while
support from Debian itself is only available free there are many who sell
Debian support.  Check www.debian.org.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: Difference between woody and potato

[John Hasler]

Phoenix writes:
> 2.2 is potato...

No.  2.2 will be potato when it is released. 2.2 does not exist yet.

-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

bad dependencies in postgresql (potato)?

[Alberto Brealey G.]

i'm trying to install postgresql in a potato box, however, the configuration
script bombs out with a message concerning the non-existence of the file
'/etc/timezone'. is that a missing package? or is it something that got
replaced somewhere in the way to the current version? how can i set it up so
i can install postgresql?

TIA

Alberto

OT - International E-mail

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

If an e-mail is written in a multi-byte character format, say like
Chinese, there is no garuntee that it will get to the other side
properly, is there?  If I recall correctly, mail is like packets.
They are moved from server to server.  If one server strips the 8th
bit, then that's it.  Gribberish.  Is there anyway to get around this?

I stand to be corrected.

Marshal

Would I have any problems with Epson Stylus 740?

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Hello,

   I see that Epson Stylus printers are supported by ghostscript, for
   example, but in the list of supported printers I didn't see the 740
   in particular... Would there be any problems? Or, would I be able
   to use all its features?

THank you very much,
J.

-- 
Jeronimo Pellegrini
Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil
http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~jeronimo
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "John" == John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Marshal writes:
>> I think the "no support" part is more of a "no OFFICIAL
>> support".

> debian-user is quite "official".

> I think that they mean that there is no paid support.  They're
> wrong: while support from Debian itself is only available free
> there are many who sell Debian support.  Check www.debian.org.
> -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, WI

I stand corrected.  But I think for businesses, "official" means a
customer-help line from the selling company.  Looks like Debian is the
only major distribution left which isn't produced by a for-profit
company.

Along the same line, what to companies like Corel, and Storm do if
customers find something wrong with the Debian distro underneath?

Marshal

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Re: Newbie: Install problems (pre-depend-error, python)

[Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong]

> "Thomas" == Thomas Guettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I tried to install debian (potato, from march 13th) for the
> first time and have two problems: I already have a small running
> system, and wanted to add several packages at once. Dselect says
> the following and refuses to install: pre-depend Error
> .. fix it and run [I]nstall again But it doesn't tell me
> which package is making trouble.

> I can't install python-base because dblib1.8 is not
> available. (There is a package called dblib1 and dblib2, but
> none which is called dblib1.8)

This problem is fixed, I believe.  Update you packages, and it should
go away.

Marshal

> Can anyone help me, or tell me where i can find help?

> Thomas Guettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.mypage.org/guettli



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Re: Which MTA to use?

[Robert Waldner]

first of all you have to understand that the MTA has nothing to do with POP3, a 
MTA will only do (E)SMTP

If you want to do the quick&dirty approach (which is not very scalable and 
secure) you could simply add each user as a real user to the system, and create 
aliases from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the actual username on the box. If you 
then install a pop-daemon (pop3d in debian iirc) your users can get their mail 
via POP3 using their system-username and -password. Et voila, on the MTA-side 
everey MTA I know is capable of aliases, so there should be no problems. For 
ease of configuration you should consider using the debian-standard exim for 
this purpose.

The tricky part starts when you don't want your mailusers to also have a 
system-account, I'll have this to do myself in the near future...

hth,
&rw

On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:56:06 CST, "Brooks R. Robinson" writes:
>Greetings,
>   I am looking at changing an in-house e-mail system from an ugly combina
>tion
>of outsourced collection/forwarding and JSMail on an NT server to linux.  We
>have an ADSL line coming in, and I can handle all of the DNS and network
>stuff through the firewall, but I drop the ball at mail.  We have about 100
>clients using Microsoft Outlook, but our legacy address format is
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I can't change the address format, and I'd like to
>leave POP3 in place.  Which MTA is the best given my limitation?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brooks
>
>
>
>
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Re: Real Player 7

[W. Paul Mills]

Go to the RealPlayer7 directory, and run the three shell scripts
in that directory. Should work then. Worked for me anyhow.





Wouter Hanegraaff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,

: I Installed REalplayer 7 using the installer, and after that I was 
: unable to start netscape anymore: only bus errors.

: So, I removed .netscape, .mime-types and .mailcap from my homedir, and
: netscape starts again. However, when I go to a site with real video, It
: sais I have no real player installed. When I look into the preferences,
: I don't see real player listed anywhere. 

: What do I have to do to make this work? Isn't it the work of the
: rvplayer installer to add the right mime types and stuff like that?

: Wouter...


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Re: Which MTA to use?

[Robert Waldner]

ok, please don't lart me for not line-breaking correctly,
I'll do that myself:

lart($self) ;-)


On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:20:47 +0100, Robert Waldner writes:



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Re: Which MTA to use?

[Davide Libenzi]

>leave POP3 in place.  Which MTA is the best given my limitation?

Try XMail :

http://www.maticad.it/davide
ftp://ftp.maticad.it/pub/misc/mailsvr.zip


XMail is an Internet and intranet mail server featuring an SMTP server, POP3
server, finger server, multiple domains, no need for users to have a real
system account, SMTP relay checking, RBL and custom spam protection, a POP3
account syncronizer with external POP3 accounts, aliases, custom mail
processing, mailing lists, remote administration, custom mail exchangers,
logging, and multi-platform GPL source code. XMail lacks user-friendly
configuration utilities, but is quite stable for production use. The sources
compile under Linux and NT but I plan to make a port to FreeBSD and HPUX.
Read the file README.TXT included with the distribution.


Davide.

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Netscape Plugins

[Brian Schramm]

OK I am useing Debian and Storm Linux with the standard packages.  This is 
something that I  have 
never gotten to work.

I do have the plugger system installed and working right.  But I have tried to 
install Flash and realplayer
to no luck.  My netscape 'about plugins' screen shows them installed and active 
but if I go to a site
that uses that it tells me that I do not have it loaded.  What am I doing 
wrong?  I install them 
acording to the instructions and since my netscape sees them it whould work I 
would think.

I figure that I am doing something wrong becasue I have never goten these two 
plugins to work in any
Linux version with any version of Netscape.  Any ideas?

Thanks for any help.

Brian Schramm
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.linuxexpert.org

 

Re: Limping and bleeding with Corel Linux

[Oliver Elphick]

Vitux wrote:
  >If you specify the amount of ram reported by the
  >bios, you will probably get an error like the one
  >you're describing. You need to specify the amount
  >available to linux, after the kernel has taken
  >what it needs. Try specifying 4-8 Mb less than the
  >actual amount, and you should be fine. (Some of
  >the gurus can probably give you a more in-depth
  >explanation...)
 

I don't believe this is true.  At least, I have always specified the
full amount of RAM.

This particular user actually specified by mistake more physical
RAM than he had, which caused a crash.

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Re: Lying to dpkg?

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonas Steverud) wrote:
>Phoenix Amon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Jonas wrote:
>> > Have a look at the equivs package. The other programs should find
>> > your programs as long as you have them in the $PATH. 
>> 
>> For anyone who's interested, I took this route since it would solve
>> the problem once and for all.
>
>The only problem with this is dselect will tell you the packages made
>by equivs are obsolete - but I maybe did some wrong when I deleted the
>.debs? Anyone who knows?

Obsolete/local, strictly: it's the "local" bit that's relevant to you.
You can safely ignore this, but if you recreate the .debs and run 'dpkg
-A package.deb' then I believe they'll be recorded in the available file
and therefore not listed as local.

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Re: Installing old packages

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matheson) wrote:
>I can't get the new version of WindowMaker to work, but I was wondering
>if there was a way to install the old version (the one on the CD of
>Debian Slink).  Is this possible?

How about:

  dpkg --force-downgrade -i oldpackage.deb

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Re: How do you remove files with bad/wierd names

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Solochek) wrote:
>Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
>> I was wondering how to remove a file by the name of --help.tgz?
>> (Don't ask...Okay if you really must know, I typed in tgz --help and I
>> get that file.  There's no man page for tgz, and I think tgz shouldn't
>> accept things starting with -- as file names...)  rm always takes it
>> as an option, even if quotes, double-quoted, backslashed,
>> regular-expressioned.  Any suggestions?
>
>On a similar note, avoid naming files -v or -r those are real
>pains.  A friend of mine had to write system code to delete them... If
>he still has it sitting around, I'll pass it on.

In the light of the other easier solutions to this problem, *boggle* :)

You can use the Perl unlink() function, though, if you're really
desperate, but you don't need to.

On a side note, the following, as root, is quite a useful trick:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cd /
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# touch -- --version
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# rm -rf *
  rm (GNU fileutils) 4.0o
  Written by Paul Rubin, David MacKenzie, Richard Stallman, and Jim Meyering.

  Copyright (C) 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
  This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
  warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# ls
  --version  dev   infolost+found  mnt   root  usr  vmlinuz.old
  binetc   initrd  mirrors net   sbin  var  world
  boot   home  lib miscproc  tmp   vmlinuz
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]# 

(Not that I recommend actually trying the last command, but just touch
the file called --version. :) If you must test it then do it in a
scratch directory.)

The idea of this is that 'rm -rf *' expands to 'rm -rf --version boot
bin ...', and the --version there causes all the other arguments to be
ignored and just version information to be displayed.

Don't assume that you're invulnerable with this, though - 'rm -rf /'
would still trash your filesystem, so still be careful as root. It's a
useful safety net in case your brain-to-fingers connection slips a bit,
though.

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Re: Imposto de Renda no Wine

[Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira]

Esqueci de dizer que não uso Windows no meu computador. :)
Ou seja, não tenho nenhuma DLL do Windows. Caso voce monte seu C: a
chance de funcionar é muito maior.
Quoting Eduardo Marcel Macan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:21:57AM -0800, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
> wrote:
> > Más noticias. Estou usando woody (bleeding edge) :) com o ultimo wine da
> > empacotado pela debian (que eu acho que não é exatamente o último).
> > Porem, o programa falha na hora da instalacao com uma mensagem em um
> > dialogo simples do windows.
> > corrupt file on install
> > ou algo assim e só um botao de ok!
> > Eu adoro o windows, sempre com mensagens de erro compreensíveis e
> > contornáveis.
> > Tenta no VMWare.
> 
>   Ano passado eu consegui, provavelmente foram feitas apenas algumas
> alterações no cálculo e atualizações (se feitas alguma além da data), mas
> eu precisei usar um windows instalado em outra partição para o wine
> achar as dlls corretas e 98% do programa rodava ok, eu não testei tudo,
> como o envio via rede para a receita, mas o programa rodava bem.
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Re: Difference between woody and potato

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong) wrote:
>> "Ben" == Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> potato and woody are just code names. The actual "unstable" is
>> bleeding edge, and frozen is the next release. Currently potato
>> is frozen (a la Debian 2.2) and woody is the new
>> unstable. Sooner or later potato will release and become
>> unstable...
   

I think you mean 'stable' there :)

>> then some time down the road woody will freeze and
>> become frozen...and the whole cycle starts again (but something
>> else will be the new unstable, not sure of the code name
>> though).
>
>Buzz perhaps?  :)

We've already had that :)

The order was:

1.0 [never really existed; a CD-ROM vendor mistakenly released a
 not-quite-ready version as 1.0, so the version number was
 bumped up to 1.1 to avoid confusion]
1.1 buzz
1.2 rex
1.3 bo
2.0 hamm
2.1 slink  (current stable)
future 2.2  potato (current frozen)
future 2.3  woody  (current unstable)

See:

  http://www.debian.org/~elphick/manuals.html/project-history/index.html

... or the debian-history package for more information.

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Re: looking for nice way to throw out old mail in mutt

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (esoR ocsirF) wrote:
>I like being subscribed to debian user. I also end up not being able to
>read it from lack of time. I have exim filter debiaan user into its own
>mailbox, but I would like to be able to have messages over a week (or
>some other arbitrary time) fed to the /dev/null monster. Does any one
>have a nice way to do this? TIA

I do this by gatewaying the messages to local newsgroups with an
assemblage of fetchmail->exim->mail2news->inn. It's a bit complicated to
set up, though, so you may want to consider a cron job instead!

(Messages will be in arrival order in your mailbox, so you can probably
exploit that ...)

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Re: outdated packages

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong) wrote:
>> "Jerry" == Jerry J Jaskierny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> there are several packages included in debian archives that are
>> outdated.  instead of installing the outdated ones, in some
>> cases are useless to me, i want to compile an updated copy of
>> the source.  i'm trying to figure out how i can compile this
>> source, and let dpkg/dselect know that they've been installed.
>
>Try downloading the deb source, patching the source, and then using
>dpkg-buildpackage or dpkg --build.  (Check the man pages.)  Make sure
>you get the source from the debian website or with apt, if you have
>the deb-src lines in sources.list, as it will contain debian
>subdirectory in the source tree, which is needed by dpkg to build
>debs.

Having installed dpkg-dev and devscripts:

apt-get source package
cd package-version
[patch]
debuild [or] dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
cd ..
dpkg -i package_version_architecture.deb

Or you could download the Debian diffs (package-version.diff.gz -
apt-get source will leave them lying around) and apply them over a fresh
upstream tarball, then rebuild.

dpkg --build does something slightly different; it simply puts a .deb
together out of a directory tree with all the compiled binaries etc. in
it, rather than actually building from source. See the dpkg-deb(1) man
page.

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Re: looking for nice way to throw out old mail in mutt

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> I like being subscribed to debian user. I also end up not being able to
> read it from lack of time. I have exim filter debiaan user into its own
> mailbox, but I would like to be able to have messages over a week (or
> some other arbitrary time) fed to the /dev/null monster. Does any one
> have a nice way to do this? TIA
> 
make a cron-job, which checks your mailbox every day. i've attached a
script, which removes all messages, which are older that 7 days.
please test this thing thoroughly, as i programmed it now from scratch.

possibly there is a simpler way to do this ...

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-x Date )\" +%s ) -ge \$(date -d \"7 days ago\" +%s ) && echo -e \"\$b\n\n\"" 
<$MB >$MB.new && mv $MB.new $MB

Re: outdated packages

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong) wrote:
>> "Jerry" == Jerry J Jaskierny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> thanks, i'd already thought of that.  but i'd assume there has
>> to be a more convenient way.  debian can't possibly be built on
>> just the packages and dependencies it provides.

Why not? (It is.)

>You could also try dummy-package, or make-dummy-package, or something
>like that (I've forgotten the name, and amd too lazy to go look it
>up.) to create a dummy package that satisfies the dependencies that
>you need.  I never did get around to figuring out how to use it
>though.

Install the equivs package, then:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ mkdir test
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ cd test
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ equivs-control testpackage.control
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ vi testpackage.control 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ cat testpackage.control 
Section: misc
Priority: optional
Standards-Version: 3.0.1

Package: testpackage
Version: 1.0
Maintainer: Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: all
Description: test package
 test package, long description
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ equivs-build testpackage.control 
dh_testdir
touch build-stamp
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
dh_clean -k
# Add here commands to install the package into debian/tmp.
touch install-stamp
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
dh_installdocs
dh_installchangelogs
dh_compress
dh_fixperms
dh_installdeb
dh_gencontrol
dh_md5sums
dh_builddeb
dpkg-deb: building package `testpackage' in
`../testpackage_1.0_all.deb'.

The package has been created.
Attention, the package has been created in the current directory,
not in ".." as indicated by the message above!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ ls
equivs  testpackage.control  testpackage_1.0_all.deb

It's very easy. You can tweak the fields in the control file as much as
you like; Provides: might be the most likely to be useful in an
equivs-built package.

Note the warning in the equivs-build(1) man page, though:

   Please note that this is a crude hack and if thoughtlessly
   used might possibly do damage to your packaging system.
   And please note as well that using it is not the
   recommended way of dealing with broken dependencies.
   Better file a bug report instead.

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Re: Netscape Plugins

[Christopher Judd]

> OK I am useing Debian and Storm Linux with the standard packages.  This is 
> something that I  have 
> never gotten to work.
> 
> I do have the plugger system installed and working right.  But I have tried 
> to install Flash and realplayer
> to no luck.  My netscape 'about plugins' screen shows them installed and 
> active but if I go to a site
> that uses that it tells me that I do not have it loaded.  What am I doing 
> wrong?  I install them 
> acording to the instructions and since my netscape sees them it whould work I 
> would think.
> 
> I figure that I am doing something wrong becasue I have never goten these two 
> plugins to work in any
> Linux version with any version of Netscape.  Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 

 Did you delete .netscape/plugin-list after installing the plugins?
The next time netscape is started it should recognize the new plugins.

-Chris

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Re: bad dependencies in postgresql (potato)?

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alberto Brealey G.) wrote:
>i'm trying to install postgresql in a potato box, however, the configuration
>script bombs out with a message concerning the non-existence of the file
>'/etc/timezone'. is that a missing package? or is it something that got
>replaced somewhere in the way to the current version? how can i set it up so
>i can install postgresql?

It's created by the libc6 package. Try reinstalling it:

  apt-get --reinstall install libc6

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buy debian linux

[aconjure]

이 메일을 받는 사람이 한국어를 할줄 아시는 분이 었으면 좋겠군요
제가 물어 볼것은 데비안 리눅스 씨디 세트를 구입하고 싶다는것입니다.
구입이 가능한 한국어 사이트를 가르쳐 주시면 좋겠군요.
구입이 가능한 한국어 사이트가 없다면 직접 거래는 안 됩니까?
빠른 답변 부탁드립니다.
 

Re: Debian

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong) wrote:
>Along the same line, what to companies like Corel, and Storm do if
>customers find something wrong with the Debian distro underneath?

They probably talk to their liaisons among the Debian developers (I
assume such exist) or else they file bug reports ...

Or, indeed, they might fix them themselves, and send the fixes back to
us. We hope.

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buy debian linux 2

[aconjure]

한국어 버전 보다는 영문어 버전을 구하고 싶습니다
 

esound, lesstif, debian issues

[Lepus]

Hi.

First of all, it is quite interesting that I didn't get a single reply on
my question about the esound dependency problems. Am I he only one who
would like to use Gnome and Alsa at the same time under Potato? :)
Well, anyway.

The other thing... I downloaded the "Fractint for motif" (Xmfract)
software in source code. It is not a Linux program, but one written for
generic Unix systems with Motif. I compiled it with the Lesstif libraries,
everything went fine until I started the installed binary from X. It was
S.L.O.W. in the "Winblows 98 on a 386 with 4 Megs RAM" kind of meaning of
the word (not the fractal generation, but when I open a new options
window, or do something window-manager related), and complained
constantly about not being able to allocate colors. I thought this more
than weird, as I was using 32 bit colors... ;) And lo, it really couldnt
allocate color maps, all the fractals came out as variations for "deep
blue lines on a big black background". It does work normally under mwm
with 8 bit colors, but it is still slow, and the positioning inside 
windows seems a bit "warped", like texts covering each other and so on.
Is this because Lesstif is still not 100% compatible with the real thing,
or could the problem lie somewhere else (like a version bug or something)?

And about Debian...
Well, I don't say it is the best Linux out there, but I like it the
most. ;) Mainly because it is simple, and can easily be kept in hand. I
get the cold shivers from those "user-friendly" Linuxes like Caldera or
SUSE... They are very user-friendly until you actually try to use
them. :)
By installing and configuring Debian stone-by-stone, you get to know your
system inside-out. I was a complete M$-addict until a year ago, and all my
experiments with various Linuxes (RedHat, SUSE) were total failures. But
by installing a working debian system, I sort of learned the necessary
things in-flight.

Daniel Szabo

Re: Debian

[brian moore]

On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:20:18AM -0500, Marshal Kar-Cheung Wong wrote:
> Along the same line, what to companies like Corel, and Storm do if
> customers find something wrong with the Debian distro underneath?

The same thing that RedHat and SuSE, etc, do when they find something
wrong with an upstream build.

ie, they have source and the right to change it.

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