Bug#735261: mutiple upstream bugs
control: severity -1 important > It may sound cynical, but my advice would be that if you're hit with this, > change mail clients :/ > > In the context of freeze/release, I'd suggest to tag this jessie-ignore, or > even forever-ignore. This is a usability problem, so it doesn't really qualify as release critical. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CANTw=mmqmypx5tsxikd_fvevlcyfk_wr1wrztw3io16xjd2...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#735261: mutiple upstream bugs
> However, the problem reported here is not a usability problem. If a mail > client losing record of which mails have been read and which haven't isn't > "non-serious data loss", I can't tell what is. Actual data loss. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CANTw=mmyn1b1jayajqae+pu2evl9umfaugf+cwdzotv7fho...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#735261: mutiple upstream bugs
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Shai Berger wrote: > On Friday 16 January 2015 01:45:53 Michael Gilbert wrote: >> > However, the problem reported here is not a usability problem. If a mail >> > client losing record of which mails have been read and which haven't >> > isn't "non-serious data loss", I can't tell what is. >> >> Actual data loss. >> > > So, the bits marking messages as "read" or "unread" are not data? What, pray > tell, are they? Easily recreatable bit flags. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CANTw=mnc4fw3nh-k6ng8l7wx6spq6lr66cug2xog0fgywf1...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#735261: mutiple upstream bugs
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Shai Berger wrote: >> > So, the bits marking messages as "read" or "unread" are not data? What, >> > pray tell, are they? >> >> Easily recreatable bit flags. >> > > So data isn't lost if it is "easily recreatable"? Really? No. > By that argument, there really shouldn't be any data loss bugs, because all > data should be easily restorable from backup. Also no. > Those "easily recreatable" bits represent a significant part of my mail > workflow. Almost any data can be recreated by repeating the work that created > it. Your claims essentially come down to "workflows based on 'read status' are > invalid or unimportant". Well, they're damned important to me. Then you're either choosing the wrong mail client or not doing enough to help upstream scratch that itch. > I suspect that this discussion is going nowhere, but I still would like you to > answer one more question: Can you describe the difference between "serious" > and > "non-serious" data loss? The difference is "actual" vs. "perceived" data loss. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CANTw=MM-H=ias1eppmfkqrb22_wm+bfsbaj99ebwgsp7sak...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#735261: mutiple upstream bugs
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Shai Berger wrote:
> I am asking about "serious" vs. "non-serious" because those are the terms used
> by reportbug ("non-serious data loss" is a reason to mark a bug "grave").
Both grave and critical refer to actual data loss. Using the term
serious isn't particularly useful since that falls outside those two
categories anyway.
> Calling data-loss which you find unimportant "perceived, not actual" isn't
> helpful at all. You're playing with terms rather than making points.
If it were unimportant, then the bts would have the bug at less than
important severity.
The description of the "important" may help correct the ongoing misperception:
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities
Best wishes,
Mike
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Bug#735261: mutiple upstream bugs
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Shai Berger wrote: >> Both grave and critical refer to actual data loss. Using the term >> serious isn't particularly useful since that falls outside those two >> categories anyway. >> > > Again, you're being tautological, repeating your terms rather than defining > them. Without some form of tautology, everyone's favorite itch would get the highest severity. Nothing would get done that way, so the project created roughly defined bug severities. Unfortunately language is not black and white, so often enough people come along with perceptions that differ from the project at large, and these kinds of discussion ensue without productively accomplishing anything. >> The description of the "important" may help correct the ongoing >> misperception: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities >> > > In my book, "a major effect on the usability of a package" means I can't do > what I want (easily enough). The case here -- "I told the program something > and it forgot it" -- is data loss. The program can't do read/unread flags correctly. That falls under the first category. Never did it forget the actual content of the mail, which would be actual data loss. Unfortunately, this itch isn't severe enough to block the upcoming release. If it somehow gets fixed in the meantime, you can always plea your case to the release team to consider accepting it. Can we please move on? Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CANTw=mnigziumdj+hljpbki3efeosbogz9udjlmk9vhajy8...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#706105: system-config-printer-kde: Missing CUPS dependency
control: tag -1 patch, pending Hi, I've uploaded an nmu fixing this issue to delayed/5. Please see attached patch. Best wishes, Mike kdeadmin.patch Description: Binary data
Bug#460753: kdebase-runtime: should the depends on libxine1 be a recommends?
Package: kdebase-runtime Version: 4:4.0.0-1 Severity: normal if one tries to remove libxine1, most of kde 4.0 will also be removed (because kdebase-runtime has a dependency on libxine1). this is a very undesirable effect. it seems like the dependency should be more of a recommendation because there is nothing in the kdebase that requires libxine1 (that i am aware of). thanks for the hard work. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.23-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages kdebase-runtime depends on: ii kde-icons-oxygen4:4.0.0-1Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4 ii kdebase-runtime-bin-kde 4:4.0.0-1KDE 4 core binaries for the KDE ba ii kdebase-runtime-data4:4.0.0-1shared data files for the KDE base ii kdelibs54:4.0.0-1core libraries for all KDE 4 appli ii libc6 2.7-6GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libclucene0ldbl 0.9.20-1 library for full-featured text sea ii libgcc1 1:4.3-20080112-1 GCC support library ii libopenexr2ldbl 1.2.2-4.4runtime files for the OpenEXR imag ii libphonon4 4:4.0.0-1cross-platform multimedia framewor ii libqt4-core 4.3.3-2 Qt 4 core non-GUI functionality ru ii libqt4-gui 4.3.3-2 Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtim ii libqt4-qt3support 4.3.3-2 Qt 3 compatibility library for Qt ii libsmbclient3.0.28-2 shared library that allows applica ii libsoprano4 2.0.0-2 Qt4 interface to RDF storage ii libstdc++6 4.3-20080112-1 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libstreamanalyzer0 0.5.7-1 streamanalyzer library for Strigi ii libstrigiqtdbusclient0 0.5.7-1 library for writing D-Bus clients ii libx11-62:1.0.3-7X11 client-side library ii libxcb1 1.1-1X C Binding ii libxcursor1 1:1.1.9-1X cursor management library ii libxine11.1.9-1 the xine video/media player librar kdebase-runtime recommends no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#460753: kdebase-runtime: should the depends on libxine1 be a recommends?
reopen 460753 thank you > Not really. /usr/lib/kde4/phonon_xine.so, the xine backend of phonon > links against it. This dependency can't be removed and was added > automatically added by dpjg-shlibs (and is completely correct). i understand that this is how things currently work, but it isn't necessarily optimal. for example, if i decide to use the gstreamer phonon backend instead of xine (not sure if this exists yet or how to enable it, but when it is available, i will switch to it), i will no longer need xine and will prefer to remove the packages because they are unneeded. and maybe this is a non-issue. when the phonon gstreamer backend becomes available, the kdebase-runtime dependency can just be changed to "libxine1 | libgstreamer"... although it would be nice to be able to use no audio and hence be able to remove all of the unneeded sound/multimedia packages without losing all of kde. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#461641: libqt4-dev: should the dependency on libqt4-sql be a recommends?
Package: libqt4-dev Version: 4.3.3-2 Severity: normal since there are currently security issues with a couple of the mysql packages in sid, i would like to remove them. however, doing so would remove libqt4-dev as well since there is a dependency on libqt4-sql (which depends on the mysql packages). if the dependency on libqt4-sql were changed to a recommends, this wouldn't be a problem. i am not familiar with the libqt4-dev package, so i don't know what kind of effect that has. but it seems like the mysql and qt4 development stuff are or should be separate/separable things. thanks for all the hard work. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.23-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages libqt4-dev depends on: ii libaudio-dev 1.9.1-1 Network Audio System - development ii libfreetype6-dev 2.3.5-1+b1FreeType 2 font engine, developmen ii libgl1-mesa-dev [libgl 7.0.2-4 A free implementation of the OpenG ii libglib2.0-dev 2.14.5-2 Development files for the GLib lib ii libglu1-mesa-dev [libg 7.0.2-4 The OpenGL utility library -- deve ii libice-dev 2:1.0.4-1 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libjpeg62-dev 6b-14 Development files for the IJG JPEG ii libmng-dev 1.0.9-1 M-N-G library (Development headers ii libpng12-dev [libpng12 1.2.15~beta5-3PNG library - development ii libpq-dev 8.2.6-1 header files for libpq5 (PostgreSQ ii libqt4-core4.3.3-2 Qt 4 core non-GUI functionality ru ii libqt4-gui 4.3.3-2 Qt 4 core GUI functionality runtim ii libqt4-qt3support 4.3.3-2 Qt 3 compatibility library for Qt ii libqt4-sql 4.3.3-2 Qt 4 SQL database module ii libsm-dev 2:1.0.3-1+b1 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libsqlite0-dev 2.8.17-4 SQLite development files ii libx11-dev 2:1.0.3-7 X11 client-side library (developme ii libxcursor-dev 1:1.1.9-1 X cursor management library (devel ii libxext-dev1:1.0.3-2 X11 miscellaneous extensions libra ii libxft-dev 2.1.12-2 FreeType-based font drawing librar ii libxi-dev 2:1.1.3-1 X11 Input extension library (devel ii libxinerama-dev1:1.0.2-1 X11 Xinerama extension library (de ii libxmu-dev 2:1.0.4-1 X11 miscellaneous utility library ii libxrandr-dev 2:1.2.2-1 X11 RandR extension library (devel ii libxrender-dev 1:0.9.4-1 X Rendering Extension client libra ii libxt-dev 1:1.0.5-3 X11 toolkit intrinsics library (de ii x11proto-core-dev 7.0.11-1 X11 core wire protocol and auxilia ii zlib1g-dev 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-10 compression library - development libqt4-dev recommends no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#461652: konqueror: home button does not take user to home page
Package: konqueror Version: 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 Severity: normal the konqueror home button takes the user to their home directory, rather than their home page (even when it is in the "Web Browsing" profile mode). this is just very unintuitive, especially when the user has been conditioned to expect the home button to go to the home page in *all* of their other browsers. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.23-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages konqueror depends on: ii kcontrol 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 control center for KDE ii kdebase-kio-plugins4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 core I/O slaves for KDE ii kdelibs4c2a4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 core libraries and binaries for al ii kdesktop 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 miscellaneous binaries and files f ii kfind 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 file-find utility for KDE ii libacl12.2.45-1 Access control list shared library ii libart-2.0-2 2.3.19-3 Library of functions for 2D graphi ii libattr1 1:2.4.39-1Extended attribute shared library ii libaudio2 1.9.1-1 Network Audio System - shared libr ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libfontconfig1 2.5.0-2 generic font configuration library ii libfreetype6 2.3.5-1+b1FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libgamin0 [libfam0]0.1.9-2 Client library for the gamin file ii libgcc11:4.3-20080116-1 GCC support library ii libice62:1.0.4-1 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libidn11 1.1-1 GNU libidn library, implementation ii libjpeg62 6b-14 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG ii libkonq4 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 core libraries for Konqueror ii libpng12-0 1.2.15~beta5-3PNG library - runtime ii libqt3-mt 3:3.3.7-9 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime v ii libsm6 2:1.0.3-1+b1 X11 Session Management library ii libstdc++6 4.3-20080116-1The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libx11-6 2:1.0.3-7 X11 client-side library ii libxcursor11:1.1.9-1 X cursor management library ii libxext6 1:1.0.3-2 X11 miscellaneous extension librar ii libxft22.1.12-2 FreeType-based font drawing librar ii libxi6 2:1.1.3-1 X11 Input extension library ii libxinerama1 1:1.0.2-1 X11 Xinerama extension library ii libxrandr2 2:1.2.2-1 X11 RandR extension library ii libxrender11:0.9.4-1 X Rendering Extension client libra ii libxt6 1:1.0.5-3 X11 toolkit intrinsics library ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-10 compression library - runtime konqueror recommends no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#461656: konqueror: quick search bar
Package: konqueror Version: 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 Severity: wishlist it would be very nice if konqueror had a quick search toolbar (like the one in firefox). this could even be a way for kde to make some money (via google). thank you for your consideration. -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.23-1-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Versions of packages konqueror depends on: ii kcontrol 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 control center for KDE ii kdebase-kio-plugins4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 core I/O slaves for KDE ii kdelibs4c2a4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 core libraries and binaries for al ii kdesktop 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 miscellaneous binaries and files f ii kfind 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 file-find utility for KDE ii libacl12.2.45-1 Access control list shared library ii libart-2.0-2 2.3.19-3 Library of functions for 2D graphi ii libattr1 1:2.4.39-1Extended attribute shared library ii libaudio2 1.9.1-1 Network Audio System - shared libr ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libfontconfig1 2.5.0-2 generic font configuration library ii libfreetype6 2.3.5-1+b1FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib ii libgamin0 [libfam0]0.1.9-2 Client library for the gamin file ii libgcc11:4.3-20080116-1 GCC support library ii libice62:1.0.4-1 X11 Inter-Client Exchange library ii libidn11 1.1-1 GNU libidn library, implementation ii libjpeg62 6b-14 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG ii libkonq4 4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-6 core libraries for Konqueror ii libpng12-0 1.2.15~beta5-3PNG library - runtime ii libqt3-mt 3:3.3.7-9 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime v ii libsm6 2:1.0.3-1+b1 X11 Session Management library ii libstdc++6 4.3-20080116-1The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libx11-6 2:1.0.3-7 X11 client-side library ii libxcursor11:1.1.9-1 X cursor management library ii libxext6 1:1.0.3-2 X11 miscellaneous extension librar ii libxft22.1.12-2 FreeType-based font drawing librar ii libxi6 2:1.1.3-1 X11 Input extension library ii libxinerama1 1:1.0.2-1 X11 Xinerama extension library ii libxrandr2 2:1.2.2-1 X11 RandR extension library ii libxrender11:0.9.4-1 X Rendering Extension client libra ii libxt6 1:1.0.5-3 X11 toolkit intrinsics library ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-10 compression library - runtime konqueror recommends no packages. -- no debconf information -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#479644: libqt4-webkit:CVE-2008-1025 Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in Apple WebKit
i believe that this is actually an issue with webkit itself, not the libqt4-webkit package (which uses webkit as a library). CVE-2008-1025 seems to indicate that the issue is wholely within webkit (there is no mention of qt). submitter, do you have further details that would confirm that the problem also resides in libqt4-webkit? otherwise, this bug should be reassigned to webkit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#479644: libqt4-webkit:CVE-2008-1025 Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in Apple WebKit
On 5/6/08, Michael Gilbert wrote: > i believe that this is actually an issue with webkit itself, not the > libqt4-webkit package (which uses webkit as a library). CVE-2008-1025 > seems to indicate that the issue is wholely within webkit (there is no > mention of qt). i am mistaken, it looks like qt4-x11 duplicates the webkit source code, rather than relying on it as a library, which in my opinion is certainly not a very good approach. please ignore the previous message. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#479851: qt4-x11: should use external webkit library
Package: qt4-x11 Version: 4.4.0~rc1-5 Severity: important qt4-xll should use the already-packaged libwebkit-1.0 library, rather than repackaging webkit separately. this has a couple major advantages. it reduces duplicated data (on the debian archives, on the user's system, and in memory). also, it reduces duplicated maintenance overhead (only one maintainer needed to support the single code base). and finally, only one package needs to be updated to fix security issues (see CVE-2008-1025 [1] where the webkit library already has the fix, but qt4-x11 remains vulnerable). [1] http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2008-1025 -- System Information: Debian Release: lenny/sid APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-6-686 (SMP w/1 CPU core) Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#366342: About oyu bug #366342 "kmid: cannot open /dev/sequencer" to DBTS
found 366342 4:3.5.9-1 thank you > We are sorry if nobody responded when you filed the bug, KDE has > gotten more bugs in the past years than the maintainers could handle. > The team is trying to fix this now, but we need your help. So please > respond to this mail and tell us if: > > - you are still experiencing this bug (adding in what version) > - the bug was already fixed (if known, in which version), > - or if you have extra information on how reproduce this bug. yes, this bug still exists. download any of the songs from www.mididb.org, and try to play with kmid. you will get the errors as described in previous messages. thanks for doing this triage. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#366342: About oyu bug #366342 "kmid: cannot open /dev/sequencer" to DBTS
> Do you have timidity installed? If so, check that /etc/default/timidity > has TIM_ALSASEQ=true uncommented. no, timidity had not previously been installed on my system. if you look at kmid's dependencies, you will find that timidity is not one of them. should that be fixed? i installed timidity and uncommented the "TIM_ALSASEQ=true" line. when i ran the rc script, i got $ sudo invoke-rc.d timidity start Starting TiMidity++ ALSA midi emulation...ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory error in snd_seq_open so it looks like timidity doesn't work either. note that there still is no /dev/snd/seq file on my system $ ls -l /dev/snd/seq ls: cannot access /dev/snd/seq: No such file or directory i tried running kmid, but ran into the same errors as before. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#366342: About oyu bug #366342 "kmid: cannot open /dev/sequencer" to DBTS
> Then your problem is not with kmid. Seems to be with your audio setup. I'm > closing this bug. wouldn't it make more sense to reassign the bug to the appropriate package? it hasn't been fixed yet. which package would this apply to? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#366342: marked as done (kmid: cannot open /dev/sequencer)
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Bug#366342: no /dev/snd/seq for AC97 alsa driver
reopen 366342 retitle 366342 libasound2: no /dev/snd/seq for AC97 alsa driver reassign 366342 libasound2 thank you this was a bug thought to apply only to kmid, but it appears that it is specific to the AC97 alsa driver. it appears that ths driver does not provide a /dev/snd/seq device, which leads to various sound problems, such as the inability to play midi files. the AC97 driver should provide a /dev/snd/seq device. thanks for the hard work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#659155: Status of kdeadmin 4:4.8.4-2 (bug 659155)?
> Pending an upload, whenever some of us has the time to do it. > > On the other hand, I'm still not quite sure that this can be viewed as a fix. > I'm removing the patch tag, because the approiate tag would be pending, but as > I said before, I'm still not sure of this. The best way to see whether an issue is fixed is to make it available to the people experiencing the problem. If you're afraid of causing problems in unstable, you can use experimental first. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANTw=mm0krokee6sc1o3xxp3pnl4hdmpf0fceubvghj+_y-...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#659155: Status of kdeadmin 4:4.8.4-2 (bug 659155)?
>> The best way to see whether an issue is fixed is to make it available >> to the people experiencing the problem. If you're afraid of causing >> problems in unstable, you can use experimental first. > > Not the case here Michael :-) > > My worry is that this seems more like a hack than a proper fix. Well, it's release-critical, so an imperfect fix now is better than a perfect one that doesn't yet exist. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANTw=MPM_SrwwggaVA3Wj2shmRtwJ=kjc6y4zg_sxzh7vrx...@mail.gmail.com
Bug#551290: kdegraphics: multiple vulnerabilities
package: kdegraphics version: 4:3.5.5-3 severity: serious tags: security hi, it has been disclosed that xpdf is vulnerable to multiple new vulnerabilities [0]. kdegraphics embeds xpdf in both stable and oldstable, so please coordinate with the security team to release patched versions. kdegraphics in unstable is also affected, but no action is needed. it is dynamically linked to poppler, which is also affected and tracked in another bug. thanks. mike [0] http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Oct/227 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#559798: CVE-2009-3736 local privilege escalation
Package: arts Severity: grave Tags: security Hi, The following CVE (Common Vulnerabilities & Exposures) id was published for libtool. I have determined that this package embeds a vulnerable copy of the libtool source code. However, since this is a mass bug filing (due to so many packages embedding libtool), I have not had time to determine whether the vulnerable code is actually present in any of the binary packages. Please determine whether this is the case. If the package is not affected, please feel free to close the bug with a message containing the details of what you did to check. CVE-2009-3736[0]: | ltdl.c in libltdl in GNU Libtool 1.5.x, and 2.2.6 before 2.2.6b, | attempts to open a .la file in the current working directory, which | allows local users to gain privileges via a Trojan horse file. Note that this problem also affects etch and lenny, so if your package is affected, please coordinate with the security team to release the DSA for the affected packages. If you fix the vulnerability please also make sure to include the CVE id in your changelog entry. For further information see: [0] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-3736 http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-3736 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#559817: CVE-2009-3736 local privilege escalation
Package: kdelibs Severity: grave Tags: security Hi, The following CVE (Common Vulnerabilities & Exposures) id was published for libtool. I have determined that this package embeds a vulnerable copy of the libtool source code. However, since this is a mass bug filing (due to so many packages embedding libtool), I have not had time to determine whether the vulnerable code is actually present in any of the binary packages. Please determine whether this is the case. If the binary packages are not affected, please feel free to close the bug with a message containing the details of what you did to check. CVE-2009-3736[0]: | ltdl.c in libltdl in GNU Libtool 1.5.x, and 2.2.6 before 2.2.6b, | attempts to open a .la file in the current working directory, which | allows local users to gain privileges via a Trojan horse file. Note that this problem also affects etch and lenny, so if your package is affected, please coordinate with the security team to release the DSA for the affected packages. If you fix the vulnerability please also make sure to include the CVE id in your changelog entry. For further information see: [0] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-3736 http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-3736 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561752: kdelibs: remote info disclosure via css
package: kdelibs version: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1 severity: important tags: security hi, it has been disclosed that it is possible for any website to query the user's site viewing history via css. please see [0]. i have not personally checked whether this package is vulnerable, but it seems to be a general css design issue, so all css-supporting browsers are likely affected. please check, and feel free to close the bug if the package is not affected. thanks. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561754: qt4-x11: remote info disclosure via css
package: qt4-x11 version: 4:4.5.3-4 severity: important tags: security hi, it has been disclosed that it is possible for any website to query the user's site viewing history via css. please see [0]. i have not personally checked whether this package is vulnerable, but it seems to be a general css design issue, so all css-supporting browsers are likely affected. please check, and feel free to close the bug if the package is not affected. thanks. mike [0] http://thecoffeedesk.com/news/index.php/2009/08/02/view-remote-browser-history/ Hi, Your package embeds source code from xulrunner, which makes security updates very cumbersome, difficult, and potentially error-prone. Please update your package to make use of the shared library. Thank you for your attention on this matter. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561753: kde4libs: remote info disclosure via css
package: kde4libs version: 4:4.3.4-1 severity: important tags: security hi, it has been disclosed that it is possible for any website to query the user's site viewing history via css. please see [0]. i have not personally checked whether this package is vulnerable, but it seems to be a general css design issue, so all css-supporting browsers are likely affected. please check, and feel free to close the bug if the package is not affected. thanks. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561759: qt4-x11: predictable random number generator used
package: qt4-x11 version: 4:4.5.3-4 severity: important tags: security hello, it has been discovered that all of the major web browsers use a predictable pseudo-random number generator (PRNG), which has at a minimum the consequences described in [0]. please check whether this package is affected. [0] http://www.trusteer.com/temporary-user-tracking-in-major-browsers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561757: kdelibs: predictable random number generator used
package: kdelibs version: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1 severity: important tags: security hello, it has been discovered that all of the major web browsers use a predictable pseudo-random number generator (PRNG), which has at a minimum the consequences described in [0]. please check whether this package is affected. [0] http://www.trusteer.com/temporary-user-tracking-in-major-browsers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561758: kde4libs: predictable random number generator used
package: kde4libs version: 4:4.3.4-1 severity: important tags: security hello, it has been discovered that all of the major web browsers use a predictable pseudo-random number generator (PRNG), which has at a minimum the consequences described in [0]. please check whether this package is affected. [0] http://www.trusteer.com/temporary-user-tracking-in-major-browsers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#561760: qt4-x11: many webkit vulnerabilities
Package: qt4-x11 Version: 4:4.5.3-4 Severity: grave Tags: security Hi, The following CVE (Common Vulnerabilities & Exposures) ids were published for webkit. qt4-x11 embeds webkit, so most of these issues are likely applicable to this package. Since there are so many problems, I have not had time to check whether the vulnerable code is present or has an impact. Please check this. Note that situations like this could be handled much easier if qt4-x11 and webkit were to share a common library: http://bugs.debian.org/479851. CVE-2006-2783[0]: | Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird before 1.5.0.4 strip the Unicode | Byte-order-Mark (BOM) from a UTF-8 page before the page is passed to | the parser, which allows remote attackers to conduct cross-site | scripting (XSS) attacks via a BOM sequence in the middle of a | dangerous tag such as SCRIPT. CVE-2008-0298[1]: | KHTML WebKit as used in Apple Safari 2.x allows remote attackers to | cause a denial of service (browser crash) via a crafted web page, | possibly involving a STYLE attribute of a DIV element. CVE-2008-1588[2]: | Safari on Apple iPhone before 2.0 and iPod touch before 2.0 allows | remote attackers to spoof the address bar via Unicode ideographic | spaces in the URL. CVE-2008-2307[3]: | Unspecified vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari before 3.1.2, as | distributed in Mac OS X before 10.5.4, and standalone for Windows and | Mac OS X 10.4, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service | (application crash) or execute arbitrary code via vectors involving | JavaScript arrays that trigger memory corruption. CVE-2008-2320[4]: | Stack-based buffer overflow in CarbonCore in Apple Mac OS X 10.4.11 | and 10.5.4, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows context-dependent attackers to execute | arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application crash) via a | long filename to the file management API. CVE-2008-3632[5]: | Use-after-free vulnerability in WebKit in Apple iPod touch 1.1 through | 2.0.2, and iPhone 1.0 through 2.0.2, allows remote attackers to | execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application | crash) via a web page with crafted Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) import | statements. CVE-2008-4231[6]: | Safari in Apple iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.1 and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.1 does not properly handle HTML TABLE elements, which | allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of | service (memory corruption and application crash) via a crafted HTML | document. CVE-2008-4724[7]: | Multiple cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerabilities in Google Chrome | 0.2.149.30 allow remote attackers to inject arbitrary web script or | HTML via an ftp:// URL for an HTML document within a (1) JPG, (2) PDF, | or (3) TXT file. NOTE: the provenance of this information is unknown; | the details are obtained solely from third party information. CVE-2009-1681[8]: | WebKit in Apple Safari before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and | iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1 does not prevent web sites | from loading third-party content into a subframe, which allows remote | attackers to bypass the Same Origin Policy and conduct "clickjacking" | attacks via a crafted HTML document. CVE-2009-1684[9]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML via an event handler that triggers script execution in | the context of the next loaded document. CVE-2009-1685[10]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML by overwriting the document.implementation property of | (1) an embedded document or (2) a parent document. CVE-2009-1686[11]: | WebKit in Apple Safari before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and | iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1 does not properly handle | constant (aka const) declarations in a type-conversion operation | during JavaScript exception handling, which allows remote attackers to | execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (memory corruption | and application crash) via a crafted HTML document. CVE-2009-1688[12]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML via vectors related to determining a security context | through an approach that is not the "HTML 5 standard method." CVE-2009-1689[13]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web
Bug#561765: kdelibs: many webkit vulnerabilities
Package: kdelibs Version: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-2.1 Severity: serious Tags: security Hi, The following CVE (Common Vulnerabilities & Exposures) ids were published for webkit. webkit was forked from khtml, so these issues very like apply to this package as well. Since there are so many problems, I have not had time to check whether the vulnerable code is present or has an impact. Please check this and keep either myself or the security team informed of the affected/not-affected issues. Thank you very much for looking into this. CVE-2006-2783[0]: | Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird before 1.5.0.4 strip the Unicode | Byte-order-Mark (BOM) from a UTF-8 page before the page is passed to | the parser, which allows remote attackers to conduct cross-site | scripting (XSS) attacks via a BOM sequence in the middle of a | dangerous tag such as SCRIPT. CVE-2008-0298[1]: | KHTML WebKit as used in Apple Safari 2.x allows remote attackers to | cause a denial of service (browser crash) via a crafted web page, | possibly involving a STYLE attribute of a DIV element. CVE-2008-1588[2]: | Safari on Apple iPhone before 2.0 and iPod touch before 2.0 allows | remote attackers to spoof the address bar via Unicode ideographic | spaces in the URL. CVE-2008-2307[3]: | Unspecified vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari before 3.1.2, as | distributed in Mac OS X before 10.5.4, and standalone for Windows and | Mac OS X 10.4, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service | (application crash) or execute arbitrary code via vectors involving | JavaScript arrays that trigger memory corruption. CVE-2008-2320[4]: | Stack-based buffer overflow in CarbonCore in Apple Mac OS X 10.4.11 | and 10.5.4, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows context-dependent attackers to execute | arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application crash) via a | long filename to the file management API. CVE-2008-3632[5]: | Use-after-free vulnerability in WebKit in Apple iPod touch 1.1 through | 2.0.2, and iPhone 1.0 through 2.0.2, allows remote attackers to | execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application | crash) via a web page with crafted Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) import | statements. CVE-2008-4231[6]: | Safari in Apple iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.1 and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.1 does not properly handle HTML TABLE elements, which | allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of | service (memory corruption and application crash) via a crafted HTML | document. CVE-2008-4724[7]: | Multiple cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerabilities in Google Chrome | 0.2.149.30 allow remote attackers to inject arbitrary web script or | HTML via an ftp:// URL for an HTML document within a (1) JPG, (2) PDF, | or (3) TXT file. NOTE: the provenance of this information is unknown; | the details are obtained solely from third party information. CVE-2009-0945[8]: | Array index error in the insertItemBefore method in WebKit, as used in | Apple Safari before 3.2.3 and 4 Public Beta, iPhone OS 1.0 through | 2.2.1, iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1, Google Chrome | Stable before 1.0.154.65, and possibly other products allows remote | attackers to execute arbitrary code via a document with a SVGPathList | data structure containing a negative index in the (1) | SVGTransformList, (2) SVGStringList, (3) SVGNumberList, (4) | SVGPathSegList, (5) SVGPointList, or (6) SVGLengthList SVGList object, | which triggers memory corruption. CVE-2009-1681[9]: | WebKit in Apple Safari before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and | iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1 does not prevent web sites | from loading third-party content into a subframe, which allows remote | attackers to bypass the Same Origin Policy and conduct "clickjacking" | attacks via a crafted HTML document. CVE-2009-1684[10]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML via an event handler that triggers script execution in | the context of the next loaded document. CVE-2009-1685[11]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML by overwriting the document.implementation property of | (1) an embedded document or (2) a parent document. CVE-2009-1686[12]: | WebKit in Apple Safari before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and | iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1 does not properly handle | constant (aka const) declarations in a type-conversion operation | during JavaScript exception handling, which allows remote attackers to | execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (memory corruption | and application crash) via a crafted HTML docum
Bug#561762: kde4libs: many webkit vulnerabilities
Package: kde4libs Version: 4:4.3.4-1 Severity: serious Tags: security Hi, The following CVE (Common Vulnerabilities & Exposures) ids were published for webkit. webkit was forked from khtml, so these issues very like apply to this package as well. Since there are so many problems, I have not had time to check whether the vulnerable code is present or has an impact. Please check this and keep either myself or the security team informed of the affected/not-affected issues. Thank you very much for looking into this. CVE-2006-2783[0]: | Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird before 1.5.0.4 strip the Unicode | Byte-order-Mark (BOM) from a UTF-8 page before the page is passed to | the parser, which allows remote attackers to conduct cross-site | scripting (XSS) attacks via a BOM sequence in the middle of a | dangerous tag such as SCRIPT. CVE-2008-0298[1]: | KHTML WebKit as used in Apple Safari 2.x allows remote attackers to | cause a denial of service (browser crash) via a crafted web page, | possibly involving a STYLE attribute of a DIV element. CVE-2008-1588[2]: | Safari on Apple iPhone before 2.0 and iPod touch before 2.0 allows | remote attackers to spoof the address bar via Unicode ideographic | spaces in the URL. CVE-2008-2307[3]: | Unspecified vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari before 3.1.2, as | distributed in Mac OS X before 10.5.4, and standalone for Windows and | Mac OS X 10.4, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service | (application crash) or execute arbitrary code via vectors involving | JavaScript arrays that trigger memory corruption. CVE-2008-2320[4]: | Stack-based buffer overflow in CarbonCore in Apple Mac OS X 10.4.11 | and 10.5.4, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows context-dependent attackers to execute | arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application crash) via a | long filename to the file management API. CVE-2008-3632[5]: | Use-after-free vulnerability in WebKit in Apple iPod touch 1.1 through | 2.0.2, and iPhone 1.0 through 2.0.2, allows remote attackers to | execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (application | crash) via a web page with crafted Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) import | statements. CVE-2008-4231[6]: | Safari in Apple iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.1 and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.1 does not properly handle HTML TABLE elements, which | allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of | service (memory corruption and application crash) via a crafted HTML | document. CVE-2008-4724[7]: | Multiple cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerabilities in Google Chrome | 0.2.149.30 allow remote attackers to inject arbitrary web script or | HTML via an ftp:// URL for an HTML document within a (1) JPG, (2) PDF, | or (3) TXT file. NOTE: the provenance of this information is unknown; | the details are obtained solely from third party information. CVE-2009-1681[8]: | WebKit in Apple Safari before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and | iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1 does not prevent web sites | from loading third-party content into a subframe, which allows remote | attackers to bypass the Same Origin Policy and conduct "clickjacking" | attacks via a crafted HTML document. CVE-2009-1684[9]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML via an event handler that triggers script execution in | the context of the next loaded document. CVE-2009-1685[10]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML by overwriting the document.implementation property of | (1) an embedded document or (2) a parent document. CVE-2009-1686[11]: | WebKit in Apple Safari before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and | iPhone OS for iPod touch 1.1 through 2.2.1 does not properly handle | constant (aka const) declarations in a type-conversion operation | during JavaScript exception handling, which allows remote attackers to | execute arbitrary code or cause a denial of service (memory corruption | and application crash) via a crafted HTML document. CVE-2009-1688[12]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script or HTML via vectors related to determining a security context | through an approach that is not the "HTML 5 standard method." CVE-2009-1689[13]: | Cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability in WebKit in Apple Safari | before 4.0, iPhone OS 1.0 through 2.2.1, and iPhone OS for iPod touch | 1.1 through 2.2.1 allows remote attackers to inject arbitrary web | script
Bug#561762: many webkit vulnerabilities
severity 561762 important thanks even though kde4libs really needs to be checked against these webkit issues, it isn't a reason to hold up the release. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100807212746.c37af5f7.michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com
Bug#597469: qt4-x11: ftbfs buildd ran out of disk space
package: qt4-x11 version: 4:4.6.3-2 severity: grave https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=qt4-x11&ver=4:4.6.3-2&arch=s390&stamp=1283800739&file=log -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100919201626.b6e8f95f.michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com
Bug#597469: closed by Ana Guerrero (Re: Bug#597469: qt4-x11: ftbfs buildd ran out of disk space)
> Thanks for caring about Qt4. Sadly, buildds running out of space is > something that happens often and filing bugs about this issue is not > useful given there is nothing that can be done from the maintainers. this build failure is holding up migration of a security fix to testing. the maintainers can/should request a rebuild on the build daemon. mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100920115044.7c08adc6.michael.s.gilb...@gmail.com
