Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Frank Küster]

Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:32:43AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña 
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:21:50PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> > After an upgrade and answering all of the conffile prompts, does
>> > /var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios-plugins.conffiles still exist and reference these
>> > files?  Depending on what dpkg is really doing here, it may well be 
>> > possible
>> > to handle the conffile transfer in maintainer scripts.  (And I thought
>> > dpkg.org once had recipes for exactly this, but unfortunately the site has
>> > been down for some time now. :/)
>
>> Are you looking for http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling ? 
>> (just found it googling). I guess this information (if current) should be
>> moved over to the developer's reference. 
>
> That seems to be the one.  It also doesn't seem to address changing the
> owner of a conffile.. ohwell. :)

Maybe I'm dumb, but this code doesn't seem correct to me, in the sense
that it doesn't do the right thing.  Let's consider a couple of possible
cases:

1. The conffile at the old place (or package) is the same as the one in
   the new place

   In this case the code in the wiki does the right thing.

2. At the same time as the move is done, the contents of the file do
   also change. And here "same time" doesn't necessarily mean "same
   upload", it can as well be "same run of dist-upgrade", which often
   skips intermediate versions, especially when upgrading from stable to
   new stable.

   In this case the user should get a conffile prompt during upgrade, to
   be able to consider the changes made in the package.  But that won't
   happen with the code in the wiki; instead the old, locally changed
   version will be used unconditionally.

There might be ways to do it right with dpkg only, but ucf is probably
easier. 

Regards, Frank

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Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Steve Langasek]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 09:07:12AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> Maybe I'm dumb, but this code doesn't seem correct to me, in the sense
> that it doesn't do the right thing.  Let's consider a couple of possible
> cases:

> 1. The conffile at the old place (or package) is the same as the one in
>the new place

>In this case the code in the wiki does the right thing.

> 2. At the same time as the move is done, the contents of the file do
>also change. And here "same time" doesn't necessarily mean "same
>upload", it can as well be "same run of dist-upgrade", which often
>skips intermediate versions, especially when upgrading from stable to
>new stable.

>In this case the user should get a conffile prompt during upgrade, to
>be able to consider the changes made in the package.  But that won't
>happen with the code in the wiki; instead the old, locally changed
>version will be used unconditionally.

Yes, you're right that this code unconditionally uses the user's version of
the conffile when moving it, instead of allowing the conffile question to
happen.

The way to get the conffile prompt for a user-modified file is to move the
old version of the conffile to the new location in the preinst if the old
conffile md5sum doesn't match the current conffile md5sum for the package.
Since the earlier preinst code has already removed any old versions of the
file that are known to be unmodified, this won't give any undesirable
conffile prompts.  Then, if dpkg's stored md5sum for the old conffile *does*
match that of the current shipped conffile (which you'll know because you
still have the conffile present in the old location in the postinst), you
would go ahead with this same code in the postinst to move it into place
silently.

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Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Bill Allombert]

On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:21:50PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> I do know also that beginning with the dpkg version in etch, the Conflicts:
> is no longer required when moving conffiles, it's possible to use Replaces:
> by itself.

I wonder if a versioned depend on dpkg can ensure the new dpkg is used 
to handle the package ?

(the idea is to make sure to use the improved dpkg for package rename).

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Re: how to treat upgrade bugs that only affect unstable->unstable?

[Peter Samuelson]

> > If a bug was in a prerm script in unstable for 7 days, but never
> > appeared in stable or testing, should we include cruft in present and
> > future prerm versions to work around it?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]
> It depends only on the ammount of damage the bug causes.

No damage, it simply doesn't work.  So you can't remove or upgrade the
package.  The workaround in the new prerm is simple enough but it's
still cruft that I'd rather not have to carry around.


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Re: A few problems in sight switching to Debian

[Peter Samuelson]

[Gilles Pelletier]
> I'm not a developer and I'd just like to point a few issues to check
> for the next release. I'm planning to switch to Debian when Etch
> comes out but, for now, my findings are from Knoppix.

Knoppix and Debian use completely different methods of hardware
detection and autoconfiguration.  As such, I don't think we can draw
any useful conclusions from your findings unless someone can verify
them on Debian etch.


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Re: A few problems in sight switching to Debian

[Kevin Mark]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:33:00AM -0400, Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> I'm not a developer and I'd just like to point a few issues to check 
> for the next release. I'm planning to switch to Debian when Etch 
> comes out but, for now, my findings are from Knoppix.
> 
> My monitor, a Viewsonic VX922, is not set correctly. Il looks OK but, 
> when a 1280x1024 image is downloaded it fits more than the screen. I 
> now use a file made by PCLinuxOS whcih is correct. Here are the two 
> sections that I copied in my XF86Config file:
> 
Hi Gilles,
I'm sure the folks who are responsible for issue relating to x windows
configuration, the kde package and other issues would love to hear your
comment but Knoppix or PCLinuxOS development is not in anyway connected
to Debian development and bug reports about other distros are of minimal
use to Debian. A bug in Knoppix is not a bug in Debian. While they use
the same package format and may share source code at some point in time,
the end result is not used in Debian and thus a bug in Knoppix is most
likely knoppix-specific. 
When you get a change to try/install Debian, please feel free to write
as many bugreports as you like! And also, this list is for the
development of the Debian distribution and not specifically for user
issue, those are handled on the debian-user mailing list.
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Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Frank Küster]

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:21:50PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> I do know also that beginning with the dpkg version in etch, the Conflicts:
>> is no longer required when moving conffiles, it's possible to use Replaces:
>> by itself.
>
> I wonder if a versioned depend on dpkg can ensure the new dpkg is used 
> to handle the package ?
>
> (the idea is to make sure to use the improved dpkg for package rename).

Don't the release notes suggest to upgrade apt, dpkg and aptitude first,
anyway, as they usually did?

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Re: Bug#387385: ITP: shed -- Hex editor using ncurses, with a friendly pico-style interface

[Christoph Berg]

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> On 09/13/06 20:15, Adam Cecile wrote:
> [snip]
> >  It includes the following features :
> [snip]
> >- Can handle files up to 2Gb.
> 
> That's a feature?

No, a bug (or rather, doesn't meet a release goal):

| And these release goals currently:
| - pervasive LFS (large files) support

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg5.html

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Re: Bug#387385: ITP: shed -- Hex editor using ncurses, with a friendly pico-style interface

[Peter Samuelson]

[Christoph Berg]
> > >- Can handle files up to 2Gb.
> > 
> > That's a feature?
> 
> No, a bug (or rather, doesn't meet a release goal):

And more importantly, editing disk partitions which may be larger than
2 GB is a significant use case for a hex editor.


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Re: lilypond and thanks to Rob Browning

[Bill Allombert]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:30:17AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> It is my hope that #359855 will not exist in the new lilypond.
> However, this is just a hope.  If ghostscript continues to have such a
> bug, then solving it will become of critical priority for getting
> lilypond into the release.

Hello Thomas,

I spent quite some time investigating #359855...

Apparently you need to add ttf-bitstream-vera and ttf-freefont to the 
build-depends to fix the problem.

At least that worked for me, though I don't know exactly why.

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Re: Accepted lynx 2.8.5-2sarge2 (source i386)

[Thomas Dickey]

Steinar H. Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:15:43AM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
 Martin Schulze has been told more than once that this was not an OpenBSD
 patch.
>>> Could you please tell me why this is such a huge deal?
>> hmm.  I'm given to understand that you don't get annoyed when people
>> are (to be generous) careless with their descriptions of security-related
>> issues. 

> I could understand a certain annoyance, but yelling at them and calling their
> actions “malicious” on public mailing lists seems a bit... overblown for
> misattributing a patch to lynx.

As I noted, he's had 4 months to fix the problem, after acknowledging it.
Perhaps he's too busy to do a competant job, and should be replaced.

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Re: Accepted lynx 2.8.5-2sarge2 (source i386)

[Thomas Dickey]

Steinar H. Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:15:43AM -, Thomas Dickey wrote:
 Martin Schulze has been told more than once that this was not an OpenBSD
 patch.
>>> Could you please tell me why this is such a huge deal?
>> hmm.  I'm given to understand that you don't get annoyed when people
>> are (to be generous) careless with their descriptions of security-related
>> issues. 

> I could understand a certain annoyance, but yelling at them and calling their
> actions “malicious” on public mailing lists seems a bit... overblown for
> misattributing a patch to lynx.

hmm - if it were only one instance, you might have a point.
But it's not.  If he's not malicious, the other rule applies (not compentant).
Take your pick.  I don't care, would not have anything to do with Debian if
the package maintainers did this poorly.

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Re: stale lock files

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I have noticed GUI programs tend to be very inconsistent in behaviour
> if I accidently kill them (e.g. by shutting down the X server) or
> abort them (e.g. power failure).
>
> For example:
>
> gnucash (not tested newest version):
>
> * displays a message box saying the file is locked, and asks if you
> want to continue anyway.
>
> * liferea: displays an error and terminates; the lock file must be
> manually deleted.
>
> * mozilla - occasionally will display a message that the profile is in
> use, and won't let you reuse it until you delete the lock file. I am
> not sure what triggers this condition.
>
>
> In this era of making computers easier to use, forcing the user to
> worry about cleaning up lock files like this seems very clumsy at
> best, and can also be unreliable (e.g. I sometimes already do have a
> copy of gnucash running, but I can't find it in the maze of windows,
> and delete the lock file :-( ).
>
>
> Is there any guidelines for checking for stale lock files in a sane
> manner that doesn't involve the user?
>
> Yes, I realize having a home directory on NFS or AFS or SMB might be
> complications, but most users of these applications don't use these
> protocols either.
>
> Thanks.
> -- 
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Write the pid and host to the lock file. When you detect a lock and
the lock is on the local host then check the pid is still valid. If
not the lock is stale. If the lock is from a remote host there is
little you can do but ask.

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Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Bill Allombert 

| On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:21:50PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
| > I do know also that beginning with the dpkg version in etch, the Conflicts:
| > is no longer required when moving conffiles, it's possible to use Replaces:
| > by itself.
| 
| I wonder if a versioned depend on dpkg can ensure the new dpkg is used 
| to handle the package ?

It can't, since dpkg doesn't re-exec itself.

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Bug#387426: ITP: glipper -- A clipboardmanager for GNOME and other window managers

[Neil Williams]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


* Package name: glipper
  Version : 0.89
  Upstream Author : Sven Rech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://glipper.sourceforge.net/
* License : LGPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : A clipboardmanager for GNOME and other window managers

 A GNOME counterpart to KDE's Klipper using GTK+2, intended for Gnome. 
 Can also be used with any other window manager that supports tray
 icons. Supports configurable number and length of clipboard entries 
 and saving clipboard history on exit.

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Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
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base: problem in leaving single user mode

[Shobhit Jindal]

Package: baseSeverity: importantam not sure if am refering to the correct packageanyways am able to boot in single user mode but on leaving it with 'init 5' there is a contention between login program and the already logged bash on the earlier terminal (meanwhile everything else work fine all services start and X comes up).
its funny ;) but didnt got a clue to fix it-- System Information:Debian Release: testing/unstable  APT prefers unstable  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable')Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bashKernel: Linux 2.6.17-2-686Locale: LANG=en_IN, LC_CTYPE=en_IN (charmap=UTF-8)-- Registerd Linux User #426561-Shobhit JindalB.Tech. Part-III, Department Of Electronics Engineering, ITBHU
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Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Bill Allombert]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:40:12PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Bill Allombert 
> 
> | On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 05:21:50PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> | > I do know also that beginning with the dpkg version in etch, the 
> Conflicts:
> | > is no longer required when moving conffiles, it's possible to use 
> Replaces:
> | > by itself.
> | 
> | I wonder if a versioned depend on dpkg can ensure the new dpkg is used 
> | to handle the package ?
> 
> It can't, since dpkg doesn't re-exec itself.

Does not that depend whether apt special-case dpkg upgrade ?

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Re: stale lock files

[Roger Leigh]

Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Write the pid and host to the lock file. When you detect a lock and
> the lock is on the local host then check the pid is still valid. If
> not the lock is stale. If the lock is from a remote host there is
> little you can do but ask.

Why not use fcntl/lockf byte region locking on the entire file?  It
gets released as soon as the process terminates, so there are no
issues with stale locks, and it works over NFS.


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Re: transitioning config files between two packages

[Tollef Fog Heen]

* Bill Allombert 

| On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:40:12PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > It can't, since dpkg doesn't re-exec itself.
| 
| Does not that depend whether apt special-case dpkg upgrade ?

We do support upgrades with other tools than apt, so while it might
cover the common cases, you can't say «this works with apt, so I'll
ignore everybody else».

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Re: lilypond and thanks to Rob Browning

[Frank Küster]

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is my hope that #359855 will not exist in the new lilypond.
> However, this is just a hope.  If ghostscript continues to have such a
> bug, then solving it will become of critical priority for getting
> lilypond into the release.

Are your preliminary packages of 2.8 avaiable anywhere, as well as the
guile-1.8 packages?  I wanted to try, but got more problems with 2.6
which probably aren't worth reporting when we're trying to get 2.8 in.

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Bug#387454: ITP: ocsigen -- web programming framework in OCaml

[Samuel Mimram]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Samuel Mimram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: ocsigen
  Version : 0.4.0
  Upstream Author : Vincent Balat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://ocsigen.org/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: OCaml
  Description : web programming framework in OCaml

 Ocsigen is a programming framework providing a new way to create
 dynamic web sites. With Ocsigen, you program in a concise and modular
 way, with a strong type system which helps you to produce always valid
 xhtml. The server handles sessions and page parameters automatically.

-- System Information:
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  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-amd64-k8
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) (ignored: LC_ALL 
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Re: MICROSOFT PROMOTION YOUR EMAIL ID HAS WON!!!

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Openwebmail

[Michael Bellander]

Hi,

Is there anybody that can start with openwebmail for debian again, Debian
sarge unstable or something? I mean is there any chance to see an updated
verison of openwebmail in debian again.

Thanks in advance !

Best regards,

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Forking source code for puting into Debian?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Developers and Maintaines,

I have packed the package swhoisd  and
tried to contact the second upstream Dan Anders 
since now over 8 month it he seems to be dead.

Since I must use the "swhoisd" for my Project "Tamay Dogan Network" and
being registrar I took over the sources and packed it for Debian.

The po files are curently updateing.

Tonight I will try it again tu upload it onto  since
dupload had several crashes had segfaults on my Laptop.

Now I have following Question:

In the TODO list it is written (2001) he wouls add db, posgresql and
mysql support...

Since Upstream seem to be dead I want to take over the sources entirely
and want to try to implement the (frm me required) feature for
postgresql.

Doing this, would it be better, if I fork the "Simpe Whois Daemon"
since after adding such support it would not more be a SIMPEL Whois
Daemon...

My prefered name would be "tdwhoisd" since I prefix all of my programs
with my originating Initials (Tamay Dogan).

Note:   I have currently no [EMAIL PROTECTED] and can
only all two day go online (in general).

Thanks for any comments
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
Tamay Dogan Network
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Re: Forking source code for puting into Debian?

[Marc Fargas]

Hi,
The swhoisd page states: Last updated 21 Aug 2006 18:06.
And Dan Anderson's states: Last updated 14 September 2006.

Also on the page, instead of a mail address there's a ·"$"·! web form
for contacting him... https://dan.drydog.com/comment.html did you try
it?

Somebody is still alive!! ;))

Cheers,
Marc

On 9/13/06, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Developers and Maintaines,

I have packed the package swhoisd  and
tried to contact the second upstream Dan Anders 
since now over 8 month it he seems to be dead.

Since I must use the "swhoisd" for my Project "Tamay Dogan Network" and
being registrar I took over the sources and packed it for Debian.

The po files are curently updateing.

Tonight I will try it again tu upload it onto  since
dupload had several crashes had segfaults on my Laptop.

Now I have following Question:

In the TODO list it is written (2001) he wouls add db, posgresql and
mysql support...

Since Upstream seem to be dead I want to take over the sources entirely
and want to try to implement the (frm me required) feature for
postgresql.

Doing this, would it be better, if I fork the "Simpe Whois Daemon"
since after adding such support it would not more be a SIMPEL Whois
Daemon...

My prefered name would be "tdwhoisd" since I prefix all of my programs
with my originating Initials (Tamay Dogan).

Note:   I have currently no [EMAIL PROTECTED] and can
only all two day go online (in general).

Thanks for any comments
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Re: Manpages in language-specific packages

[Gunnar Wolf]

Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) dijo [Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 12:31:35AM -0300]:
> >>- I18N in manpages? Sorry, haven't been there, haven't done that
> > 
> > It's not that difficult, just put the (english) manpage in /usr/share/man/
> > and the i18n manpage in /usr/share/man/XX. Man takes care of the rest.
> 
>   You could use po4a, it is an amazing tool to work with different
> formats and convert them into PO files, than you could easily request
> for translator on -i18n. ;)
> 
>   http://po4a.alioth.debian.org/

Hmh... Looks noble, but in the case of a very simple and quite
unmaintained Perl module, I don't really think it's worth it to go so
far away from the original author's way - I will follow Javier's
advice... Of course, once I have time and finish adopting the modules
I told I would :)

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(proposed) Mass bug filing for debcon f "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Christian Perrier]

By reading documentation available to developers, I came to these both
excerpts of the debconf-devel(7) manpage explaining the debconf
protocol and data types:


Type   

   The type of the template determines what kind of widget is
   displayed to the user. The currently supported types are: 

.../...

  note   
 Rather than being a question per se, this datatype indicates a
 note that can be displayed to the user. It should be used only
 for important notes that the user really should see, since
 debconf will go to great pains to make sure the user sees it;
 halting the install for them to press a key, and even mailing the
 note to them in some cases. It's best to use these only for
 warning about very serious problems.

.../...


INPUT priority question

   Ask debconf to prepare to display a question to the user. The
   question is not actually displayed until a GO command is issued;
   this lets several INPUT commands be given in series, to build up a
   set of questions, which might all be asked on a single screen.

   The priority field tells debconf how important it is that this
   question be shown to the user. The priority values are:

   lowVery  trivial  items that have defaults that will work in
  the vast majority of cases; only control freaks see these.

   medium Normal items that have reasonable defaults.

   high   Items that don't have a reasonable default.

   critical
  Items that will probably break the system without user intervention.




As a conclusion and combining both, I would really like to unsderstand
why so many fellow developers insist on using LOW priority NOTES in
their debconf templates and use them in maintainer scripts.

Most often these templates sound like an attempt to explain deep
technicaldetails which really should go to README.Debian or
NEWS.Debian depending on the topic.

In short, a note should only be used for IMPORTANT stuff, so actually
all debconf notes should be priority highor should not exist!

Translating these notes requires often a big effort by translators. If
that effort is usually not visible (or very often not visible), it is
quite wasted.

Before launching a mass bug-filing campaign, I would like to get
fellow developers opinions. Would there be important objections to
such a campaign targeting first all packages using notes at low
priority, then those using notes at medium priority?

A specific check could of course be added to lintian, in the same
time, to prevent the re-development of such "mistakes" (if we decide
to call them this way).

The following data is courtesy of Thomas Huriaux who did all the black
magic extracting it:

Packages with low priority debconf notes:
-

Aide Maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  aide -- config:18 aide/setmailaddress
Alexis Sukrieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  backup-manager -- config:64 backup-manager/upload-user-scp-warning
Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  webmin-ldap-user-simple -- config:18 webmin-ldap-skolelinux/no-auto-config
Andrés Roldán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  mtop -- config:86 mtop/info
Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  kbedic -- postinst:34 kbedic/failed_download
Aurélien GÉRÔME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  hybserv -- config:6 hybserv/configure-hybrid-notice
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  libraw1394-5 -- config:9 libraw1394/device_node
Camm Maguire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  atlas3-3dnow -- config:8 atlas3/ldlp
  atlas3-3dnow -- config:9 atlas3/blas_lapack
  atlas3-3dnow -- config:11 atlas3-3dnow/3dnow_extensions
  atlas3-3dnow -- config:15 atlas3/nfs
  atlas3-base -- config:10 atlas3/ldlp
  atlas3-base -- config:11 atlas3/blas_lapack
  atlas3-base -- config:12 atlas3/nfs
  atlas3-sse2 -- config:6 atlas3/ldlp
  atlas3-sse2 -- config:7 atlas3/blas_lapack
  atlas3-sse2 -- config:11 atlas3-sse2/sse2_extensions
  atlas3-sse2 -- config:15 atlas3/nfs
  atlas3-sse -- config:6 atlas3/ldlp
  atlas3-sse -- config:7 atlas3/blas_lapack
  atlas3-sse -- config:10 atlas3-sse/sse_extensions
  atlas3-sse -- config:14 atlas3/nfs
Davide G. M. Salvetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  mailcrypt -- config:36 mailcrypt/alreadydefault
Debian QA Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  f-prot-installer -- postinst:28 f-prot-installer/failed
Debian logcheck Team 
  logcheck-database -- config:17 logcheck-database/standard-rename-note
Debian tpctl maintainers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  tpctl -- config:8 tpctl/apmiser-installed
Eric Delaunay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  xtel -- config:7 xtel/fonts_note
Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  hylafax-server -- postinst:231 hylafax-server/configure_note
Guillem Jover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  fbset -- config:16 fbset/create_framebuffer_devices
  xfstt -- config:13 xfstt/default_port_changed
Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  checksecurity -- postinst:8 checksecurity/oldconf
Jean-Michel Kelbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  wflogs -- config:145 wflogs/email_more_questions
Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  leafnode -- config:8

Re: (proposed) Mass bug fil ing for debcon f "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Marco d'Itri]

On Sep 14, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Before launching a mass bug-filing campaign, I would like to get
> fellow developers opinions. Would there be important objections to
> such a campaign targeting first all packages using notes at low
> priority, then those using notes at medium priority?
Not from me, I like your idea.

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Re: lilypond and thanks to Rob Browning

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It is my hope that #359855 will not exist in the new lilypond.
>> However, this is just a hope.  If ghostscript continues to have such a
>> bug, then solving it will become of critical priority for getting
>> lilypond into the release.
>
> Are your preliminary packages of 2.8 avaiable anywhere, as well as the
> guile-1.8 packages?  I wanted to try, but got more problems with 2.6
> which probably aren't worth reporting when we're trying to get 2.8 in.

I don't have the guile 1.8 packages; you could ask Rob Browning for
them I assume.

But Bill Allombert has helpfully provided a hint about what will solve
the bug; if that works, I'll upload 2.6 now with the RC bugs fixed,
and 2.8 as soon as feasible.

Thomas

Re: lilypond and thanks to Rob Browning

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I spent quite some time investigating #359855...
>
> Apparently you need to add ttf-bitstream-vera and ttf-freefont to the 
> build-depends to fix the problem.
>
> At least that worked for me, though I don't know exactly why.

Splendid; I'm going to try this out, and if it works for me, that will
solve the RC bugs on 2.6.  I still hope that 2.8 will get in without a
hitch, of course.

Thomas


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Re: Forking source code for puting into Debian?

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2006-09-14 19:09:37, schrieb Marc Fargas:
> Hi,
> The swhoisd page states: Last updated 21 Aug 2006 18:06.
> And Dan Anderson's states: Last updated 14 September 2006.

My webpage does autoupdating too...  ;-)

> Also on the page, instead of a mail address there's a ·"$"·! web form
> for contacting him... https://dan.drydog.com/comment.html did you try
> it?

Yes, but he has never respond.

> Somebody is still alive!! ;))

A Bot?

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Systemadministrator
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Re: (proposed) Mass bug fil ing for debcon f "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Joey Hess]

Christian Perrier wrote:
> In short, a note should only be used for IMPORTANT stuff, so actually
> all debconf notes should be priority highor should not exist!

It's better to simply remove them all: If it's an error, use the new
error data type, which will always be displayed no matter the priority.
If it's not an error, put it in NEWS.Debian, README.Debian, etc.

The only thing stopping me from making debconf notes a no-op is the note
in d-i's nobootloader, which is a fairly legitimate note (not error), that
can't really be put anywhere else, and possibly the partman help note
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Bug#387502: ITP: zope-ldapuserfolder -- LDAP user and group source for Zope/Plone

[Mark Hymers]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mark Hymers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: zope-ldapuserfolder
  Version : 2.7
  Upstream Author : Jens Vagelpohl
* URL : http://www.dataflake.org/software/ldapuserfolder
* License : Zope Public License (ZPL) Version 2.1
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : LDAP user and group source for Zope/Plone

 This product is a replacement for a Zope user folder. It
 does not store its own user objects but builds them on the
 fly after authenticating a user against an LDAP database.

 Please note that this package was previously orphaned and removed from
 the archive.  This is a new maintainer and new packaging which works
 with the dzhandle Debian zope utility.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 
'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-k7
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)


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Bug#387504: ITP: zope-ldapmultiplugins -- LDAP plugin for Zope/Plone

[Mark Hymers]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Mark Hymers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: zope-ldapmultiplugins
  Version : 1.3
  Upstream Author : Chris McDonough and Jens Vagelpohl
* URL : http://www.dataflake.org/software/ldapmultiplugins/
* License : Zope Public License (ZPL) Version 2.1
  Programming Lang: Python
  Description : LDAP plugin for Zope/Plone

 LDAPMultiPlugins provides PluggableAuthService plugins that use
 LDAP as the backend for the services they provide. The
 PluggableAuthService is a Zope user folder product that can be
 extended in modular fashion using various plugins.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 
'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-k7
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Using debconf

[Rodrigo Tavares]

Hello,
 
I read many tutorials about debconf, but i´d like to
know ro create the packages using debconf .
I know the build package must be postinst, preinst,
prerm, postrm, conffiles and config.
Taking this tree, how i can to build a packages ?
 
Best regards,
 
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Re : using debconf

[Rodrigo Tavares]

Hello,

I alrady read this manual.
In step called : advanced programing with debconf,
show a algorithm is in config file, then i set
postint, preinst, postrm, postinst, conffiles,
templates.
I want to know, how I'll create the package and how
the frontend come happen ?

best regards,

Faria


> Hello,
>  
> I read many tutorials about debconf, but i´d like to
> know ro create the packages using debconf .
> I know the build package must be postinst, preinst,
> prerm, postrm, conffiles and config.
> Taking this tree, how i can to build a packages ?

You should install the package debconf-doc and follow
the tutorial in:

$: man debconf-devel

I hope it helps you.

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Re: base: problem in leaving single user mode

[Josselin Mouette]

This is a development mailing list. Please don't abuse it with user
support requests.

Le jeudi 14 septembre 2006 à 16:55 +0530, Shobhit Jindal a écrit :
> Package: base
> Severity: important
> 
> am not sure if am refering to the correct package
> 
> anyways am able to boot in single user mode but on leaving it with
> 'init 5' there is a contention between login program and the already
> logged bash on the earlier terminal (meanwhile everything else work
> fine all services start and X comes up). 
> 
> its funny ;) but didnt got a clue to fix it

To leave the single user mode, use "logout" or control+D instead of
"init 5".

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Re: Using debconf

[Otavio Salvador]

Rodrigo Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
>  
> I read many tutorials about debconf, but i´d like to
> know ro create the packages using debconf .
> I know the build package must be postinst, preinst,
> prerm, postrm, conffiles and config.
> Taking this tree, how i can to build a packages ?

You should install the package debconf-doc and follow the tutorial in:

$: man debconf-devel

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Re: Release management conclusions

[Andreas Schuldei]

* Matthew Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060914 14:02]:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:38:39AM +0300, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> > However, the most recent publications indicate that volunteer incentive
> > is not a well understood area of economics. In fact, it's one of the hot
> > topics that economists are faced with when trying to explain the
> > economics of FOSS:
> 
> Seems to me if it's such a hot topic, we should be able to get a
> University to fund the experiment ;-)

i have tried to find funding for other interested research (which
i think would be even more interesting, but was not successfull.

if you have contacts, please try!


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Re: (proposed) Mass bug fi ling for debcon f "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Christian Perrier]

Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Christian Perrier wrote:
> > In short, a note should only be used for IMPORTANT stuff, so actually
> > all debconf notes should be priority highor should not exist!
> 
> It's better to simply remove them all: If it's an error, use the new
> error data type, which will always be displayed no matter the priority.
> If it's not an error, put it in NEWS.Debian, README.Debian, etc.

I indeed had a brief talk with Javier FS at the Extremadura meeting
and he had an argument *for* the debconf note: it is optionnally
mailed to the local sysadmin and being a debconf note, it can be
localized.

This is indeed the only argument I see popping for not removing such
notes. But, indeed, this is more a workaround for someone to work on
i18n'ed {NEWS|README}.Debian files than an argument to keep debconf
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Re: Using debconf

[Christian Perrier]

Quoting Otavio Salvador ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Rodrigo Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hello,
> >  
> > I read many tutorials about debconf, but i´d like to
> > know ro create the packages using debconf .
> > I know the build package must be postinst, preinst,
> > prerm, postrm, conffiles and config.
> > Taking this tree, how i can to build a packages ?
> 
> You should install the package debconf-doc and follow the tutorial in:
> 
> $: man debconf-devel
> 
> I hope it helps you.


And read the developer's reference which has many hints for i18n,
writing style, etc.

And ask for debian-l10n-english to review debconf templates.

And NOT USE USELESS NOTES:-)




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Re: Re : using debconf

[Otavio Salvador]

Rodrigo Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I alrady read this manual.
> In step called : advanced programing with debconf,
> show a algorithm is in config file, then i set
> postint, preinst, postrm, postinst, conffiles,
> templates.
> I want to know, how I'll create the package and how
> the frontend come happen ?

Well, basically if you read carefully it you would have understand it
but if you're missing in packaging stuff then is different. I would
suggest that you read the Debian Policy since it'll clarify a lot of
things to you.

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Re : Re: Using debconf

[Rodrigo Tavares]

Hi,

More one thing, i´m creating a package customized,
where the script is run, them it it´s removed.
When i try to remove this package, ask a question for
user. I make it in bash. And i want to make using
debconf. The all manuals about debconf (in my case),
get to build a new package ? 

Thanks for all.

Faria

> Hello,
>
> I alrady read this manual.
> In step called : advanced programing with debconf,
> show a algorithm is in config file, then i set
> postint, preinst, postrm, postinst, conffiles,
> templates.
> I want to know, how I'll create the package and how
> the frontend come happen ?

Well, basically if you read carefully it you would
have understand it
but if you're missing in packaging stuff then is
different. I would
suggest that you read the Debian Policy since it'll
clarify a lot of
things to you.

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Re: (proposed) Mass bug fil ing for debcon f "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Joey Hess]

Christian Perrier wrote:
> I indeed had a brief talk with Javier FS at the Extremadura meeting
> and he had an argument *for* the debconf note: it is optionnally
> mailed to the local sysadmin

Mailing of debconf notes was disabled a while ago.

> and being a debconf note, it can be localized.

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Re: (proposed) Mass bug filing?for debconf "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Mark Brown]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:41:53PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:

> As a conclusion and combining both, I would really like to unsderstand
> why so many fellow developers insist on using LOW priority NOTES in
> their debconf templates and use them in maintainer scripts.

Speaking for my own packages it's a combination of policy requirements
to warn about device files and straight translations of pre-Debconf
maintainer scripts.  At a guess the latter reason (plus new notes added
before NEWS.Debian was introduced) is the most common.  Previously the
general style for Debian was fairly chatty maintainer scripts.

For the packages warning about device files the reason is likely to be
policy section 10.6 "Device files" which requires notification to the
user when creating device files and suggests using a low priority
Debconf message to do this:

|  If a package needs any special device files that are not included in
|  the base system, it must call `MAKEDEV' in the `postinst' script,
|  after notifying the user[1].

...

| [1]  This notification could be done via a (low-priority) debconf message,
|  or an echo (printf) statement.

A note seems to be the only way for Debconf using packages to comply
with this: they aren't allowed to output except via Debconf and that
seems the most appropriate template type.

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Re: Re : Re: Using debconf

[Otavio Salvador]

Rodrigo Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> More one thing, i´m creating a package customized,
> where the script is run, them it it´s removed.
> When i try to remove this package, ask a question for
> user. I make it in bash. And i want to make using
> debconf. The all manuals about debconf (in my case),
> get to build a new package ? 

Read the documents that I pointed to you. I think they'll clarify
what's need.

What do you want to do is possible but you'll need to improve your
packaging skills to understand how it works.

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Re: Orphaning my packages

[Aurélien GÉRÔME]

On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 04:21:18PM -0500, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> If you think you could adopt some of the packages, feel free to do it  
> (filling an ITA would be nice). Just talk to the Debian Perl Group  
> first, if thinking on adopting some of the Perl modules; talk first  
> to the pkg-ruby-extras groups if thinking on adopting some of the  
> ruby modules, also.

I am going to file an ITA against libsnmp-ruby and to package the
new upstream release (1.0.1). The release in Debian is quite old
(0.4.1). Is this okay with everyone? I already maintain libpgsql-ruby,
so I am rather familiar with Ruby packaging.

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Re: Orphaning my packages

[Aurélien GÉRÔME]

On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 12:39:58AM +0200, Aurélien GÉRÔME wrote:
> I am going to file an ITA against libsnmp-ruby and to package the
> new upstream release (1.0.1). The release in Debian is quite old
> (0.4.1). Is this okay with everyone? I already maintain libpgsql-ruby,
> so I am rather familiar with Ruby packaging.

The ITA on libsnmp-ruby is Bug#387550. I also forgot to mention I
maintain libnet-irc-ruby too.

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Re: (proposed) Mass bug fil ing for debcon f "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Guillem Jover]

On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 19:41:53 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> As a conclusion and combining both, I would really like to unsderstand
> why so many fellow developers insist on using LOW priority NOTES in
> their debconf templates and use them in maintainer scripts.

> Packages with low priority debconf notes:
> -
> 
> Guillem Jover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   fbset -- config:16 fbset/create_framebuffer_devices

As Mark Brown, I did that following the policy. I don't have any
problem removing it, but would be nice to get the policy fixed.

>   xfstt -- config:13 xfstt/default_port_changed

Fixed in incoming.

> Packages with medium priority debconf notes:
> 
> 
> Guillem Jover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   bochs -- config:10 bochs/bochsrc

Will be fixed with next upload.

regards,
guillem


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Re: Volunteers needed to experiment with tags in debian/control

[Guillem Jover]

On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 20:27:26 +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> I would like to experiment with a little new plan for having tags flow
> again from the web submissions[1] to the Packages file.

> The plan goes as this:
> 
>  0) Download http://people.debian.org/~enrico/2006-09/debtags-updatecontrol
>  1) Edit debian/control adding an empty "Tag:" field for every *binary*
> package
>  2) In your package root directory, run debtags-updatecontrol.
> The script will check debtags.alioth.debian.org for new tags, and it
> will guide you through reviewing all the differences.
>  3) Have a look at debian/control: you will find that the Tag: field has
> been updated with the new tags
>  4) Upload the package: I will notice that it has the Tag: field and
> I'll know that I don't have to do manual review of tags for it.

Not really, as dpkg-gencontrol will strip unknown fields. You'll need
"XB-Tag:". But I'll be adding support into dpkg-dev for the Tag field
once we branch it for etch+1 (which may go to experimental for a while).

> The script is smart enough to ask you to review only the differences
> between the data on Alioth and the data in your package.  If you reject
> changes from Alioth, it will also offer you to mail the patch back to
> it.

I've not sent the diff, because I wanted to see if dak reports the
diff when overriding... (I'll send it later).

> [...]. What I need is to have some packages with a Tag: field in the
> control file, so that I can implement and test the final part of the
> plan, which consists in updating the override file to let your tags
> through.

Now you have xfstt in incoming with such field. =)
All my other packages will aquire the field as soon as a new upload
happens (they have that locally already).

regards,
guillem


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Re: Using debconf

[Kevin Mark]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 08:02:24PM +, Rodrigo Tavares wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I read many tutorials about debconf, but i?d like to
> know ro create the packages using debconf .
> I know the build package must be postinst, preinst,
> prerm, postrm, conffiles and config.
> Taking this tree, how i can to build a packages ?
>  
> Best regards,
>  
Hi Rodrigo,
The debian-mentors list exists to help people with issues about creating
debian packages, maybe ask there.
cheers,
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Re: Why not only support Sid and Testing?

[Paul Johnson]

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 14:07, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 12 septembre 2006 à 07:23 -0600, Joseph Smidt a écrit :
> > At the risk of repeating myself, Desktop Users: For most non-server
> > minded people who still want a stable OS, Debian takes too long to
> > release.  On top of that,many of them want a "As easy aw Windows"
> > distro. I don't know that Debian will provide that as well as Ubuntu,
> > unless we want to alter many aspects of the project, like how often we
> > release.
>
> Oh well. I wonder how Microsoft could manage to provide "as easy as
> Windows" OSes given the length of their release cycle.

The answer is they don't.  Techworld ran a story almost a month ago now:  
Microsoft is leaving the OS business after Vista is released to focus on 
services, virtualization and other products.  You can already start to see 
the change being made:  Windows Live OneCare is replacing Windows on WalMart 
shelves, for example.

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Re: Why not only support Sid and Testing?

[Paul Johnson]

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 23:40, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:

> Easily. They have around 95% market share and strong established monopoly.

Evidence doesn't support that statement.  Even Microsoft's arguably generous 
in their favor estimate puts their OS market share on the desktop at about 
85%, and servers around 10%.  My web stats put Windows at around 70%, 
presumably desktops.  If the 95% figure was ever true, those days are ancient 
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Re: (proposed) Mass bug filing?for debconf "abuse" by using low|medium priority debconf notes?

[Christian Perrier]

> For the packages warning about device files the reason is likely to be
> policy section 10.6 "Device files" which requires notification to the
> user when creating device files and suggests using a low priority
> Debconf message to do this:
> 
> |  If a package needs any special device files that are not included in
> |  the base system, it must call `MAKEDEV' in the `postinst' script,
> |  after notifying the user[1].
> 
> ...
> 
> | [1]  This notification could be done via a (low-priority) debconf message,
> |  or an echo (printf) statement.


OK, thanks for your very valuable input.

I (and none of the other proponents of this action) wasn't aware of
that policy requirement/suggestion).

So, we will probably leave this aside right now, unless Thomas finds a
way to exclude packages which use low priority debconf notes for that
purpose.

If we still file bugs for your packages which use low priority debconf
notes for that specific reason, I suggest that you mark them
"wontfix" until we check whether the policy can be fixed about this
specific problem. This probably needs some investigation in order to
see whether the requirement is still valid or not.

The i18n task force will certainly track this issue down with a
metabug attached to the soon to be created (assuming we get
ftpmaster's agreement) debian-i18n pseudo-package. So, even if tagged
wontfix, these bugs will not be forgotten.






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Re: lilypond and thanks to Rob Browning

[Frank Küster]

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But Bill Allombert has helpfully provided a hint about what will solve
> the bug; if that works, I'll upload 2.6 now with the RC bugs fixed,
> and 2.8 as soon as feasible.

I tried to look at the bug Bill has solved by installing ttf packages,
because I wanted to understand the problem; but I didn't even get that
far, the build failed even earlier.  I'll try to reproduce that and
report it.

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Re: lilypond and thanks to Rob Browning

[Thomas Bushnell BSG]

Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> But Bill Allombert has helpfully provided a hint about what will solve
>> the bug; if that works, I'll upload 2.6 now with the RC bugs fixed,
>> and 2.8 as soon as feasible.
>
> I tried to look at the bug Bill has solved by installing ttf packages,
> because I wanted to understand the problem; but I didn't even get that
> far, the build failed even earlier.  I'll try to reproduce that and
> report it.

Ok.  Please don't delay reporting bugs just because you think the
reports won't be useful; at least, not with my packages.  Please
always err on the side of giving too much information. :)

Now I'm seeing failures earlier too, with some kind of fontconfig
problem.

Thomas

Work-needing packages report for Sep 15, 2006

[wnpp]

The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.

Total number of orphaned packages: 310 (new: 6)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 93 (new: 0)
Total number of packages requested help for: 31 (new: 3)

Please refer to http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for more information.



The following packages have been orphaned:

   convertfs (#386967), orphaned 3 days ago
 Description: in-place filesystem conversion
 Installations reported by Popcon: 107

   gsetroot (#387474), orphaned today
 Description: a C/Gtk-based front-end for Esetroot
 Installations reported by Popcon: 35

   ipkungfu (#387475), orphaned today
 Description: iptables-based Linux firewall
 Installations reported by Popcon: 18

   nanoblogger (#387476), orphaned today
 Description: small weblog engine for the UNIX command line
 Installations reported by Popcon: 59

   png2html (#387477), orphaned today
 Description: transforms a PNG image to a web page
 Installations reported by Popcon: 69

   vfu (#387478), orphaned today
 Description: A versatile text-based filemanager
 Installations reported by Popcon: 66

304 older packages have been omitted from this listing, see
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned for a complete list.



No new packages have been given up for adoption, but a total of 93 packages
are awaiting adoption.  See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/rfa_bypackage
for a complete list.



For the following packages help is requested:

[NEW] neverball (#387471), requested today
 Description: 3D arcade games: neverball & neverputt
 Reverse Depends: junior-games-gl neverball
 Installations reported by Popcon: 488

[NEW] silky (#387472), requested today
 Description: SILC (Secure Internet Live Conferencing) GTK+ based
   client
 Installations reported by Popcon: 40

[NEW] tsocks (#387473), requested today
 Description: transparent network access through a SOCKS 4 or 5 proxy
 Reverse Depends: tor
 Installations reported by Popcon: 682

   aboot (#315592), requested 448 days ago
 Description: Alpha bootloader: Looking for co-maintainers
 Reverse Depends: aboot aboot-cross dfsbuild ltsp-client
 Installations reported by Popcon: 50

   apt-build (#365427), requested 138 days ago
 Description: Need new developer(s)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 459

   apt-show-versions (#382026), requested 37 days ago
 Description: lists available package versions with distribution
 Installations reported by Popcon: 1831

   athcool (#278442), requested 688 days ago
 Description: Enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors
 Installations reported by Popcon: 232

   cvs (#354176), requested 203 days ago
 Description: Concurrent Versions System
 Reverse Depends: bonsai crossvc cvs-autoreleasedeb cvs-buildpackage
   cvs2cl cvs2html cvschangelogbuilder cvsconnect cvsd cvsdelta (16
   more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 7887

   docbook (#358522), requested 176 days ago
 Description: standard SGML representation system for technical
   documents
 Reverse Depends: alcovebook-sgml docbook-dsssl docbook-to-man
   sgmltools-lite
 Installations reported by Popcon: 3379

   docbook-xml (#358520), requested 176 days ago
 Description: standard XML documentation system, for software and
   systems
 Reverse Depends: dblatex docbook-dsssl docbook-ebnf
   docbook-html-forms docbook-jrefentry docbook-mathml docbook-simple
   docbook-slides docbook-website docbook-xsl-stylesheets-ko (6 more
   omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 9883

   dpkg (#282283), requested 663 days ago
 Description: dselect: a user tool to manage Debian packages
 Reverse Depends: alien alsa-source apt-build apt-src backuppc
   build-essential clamsmtp crosshurd cvs-autoreleasedeb
   cvs-buildpackage (82 more omitted)
 Installations reported by Popcon: 16273

   grub (#248397), requested 857 days ago
 Description: GRand Unified Bootloader
 Reverse Depends: dfsbuild grub-splashimages grubconf replicator
 Installations reported by Popcon: 12819

   gtkpod (#319711), requested 417 days ago
 Description: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod
 Installations reported by Popcon: 423

   loop-aes-modules (#385615), requested 14 days ago
 Description: loop-AES modules
 Reverse Depends: loop-aes-2.6-486 loop-aes-2.6-686
   loop-aes-2.6-686-bigmem loop-aes-2.6-alpha-generic
   loop-aes-2.6-alpha-legacy loop-aes-2.6-alpha-smp loop-aes-2.6-amd64
   loop-aes-2.6-k7 loop-aes-2.6-parisc loop-aes-2.6-p