(fwd) cutils version 1.5.2 - C language miscellaneous utilities

1997-12-04 Thread Hamish Moffatt
I had a quick look in the Contents file (on www.debian.org) and couldn't
find this, so I might have a hack at a package unless anyone else is
keener.

hamish

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[cut & paste from the README]

This package is written in ANSI C and was tested only under
FreeBSD 2.2-current and Linux 2.0, but should compile with little or
no change under any other UNIX OS.

The ``cutils'' collection is made of:
  cinfo, cinfoc and cinfodc - C language documentation tools
  cdecl and cundecl - decode and encode C type declarations
  cobfusc - make a C source file unreadable but compilable
  chilight - highlight C source files
  ctangle and cweave - simple literate C programming tools
  cunloop - unloop C loops
  yyextract - extract grammar rules from yacc grammar
  yyref - yacc grammar reference program

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Title:  cutils
Version:1.5.2
Entered-date:   24NOV97
Description:C language miscellaneous utilities
Keywords:   C obfusc shrouder highlight yacc literate
Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sandro Sigala)
Maintained-by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sandro Sigala)
Primary-site:   ftp.vix.com /guests/ssigala/pub/cutils
149k cutils-1.5.2.tar.gz
151k cutils-1.5.2-1.src.rpm
98k cutils-1.5.2-1.i386.rpm
Alternate-size: sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/devel/lang/c
149k cutils-1.5.2.tar.gz
151k cutils-1.5.2-1.src.rpm
98k cutils-1.5.2-1.i386.rpm
Platforms:  ANSI C compiler
Copying-policy: BSD-like
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What, why, where, utmp?

1997-12-04 Thread Dale Scheetz
One of my "gaping holes of ignorance" has to do with utmp entries; what
they are, why are they gone, where is the package that creates them?

I know that one of the latest "fixes" to dpkg-buildpackage deals with the
lack of utmp entries, but don't understand why they were abandoned.

I just discovered that the command "login" is supposed to log the user out
and present a new login prompt. This command works ok if you are logged in
as root, but when you try to use it as a user, you get a utmp entry
missing error, with some statement about login only running from the base
shell.

So, if there is anyone out there who can explain the problem (and has the
inclination) I would appreciate some education. A good reference would
probably work as well.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Dec-1997 12:45:31, Joe Emenaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Has much discussion been had about a possible configuration file
> management script for the package config scripts to use?
> 
> For example, I installed cron on a Debian box, and then installed mgetty.
> Mgetty placed the following at the end of my /etc/crontab:
> 
>   #-- mgetty begin 
>   20,40 * * * *   root faxrunq
>   #-- mgetty end
> 
> Then, when I updated cron, it asked if I wanted to replace my
> /etc/crontab. I'm assuming that this would have hosed my mgetty settings,
> so I was forced to make the changes to /etc/crontab by hand. 

Report a bug against mgetty -- packages are not allowed to touch
/etc/crontab (Debian Policy manual, section 3.5).

That said, it appears that the only policy compliant way for a package
to run a script more frequently than once a day is to register a user,
and create a crontab for that user. This is not too onerous for
news or sendmail, but seems like overkill for every little package.

I don't have any good ideas, though...:-(

sg

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H.323 status

1997-12-04 Thread Adam Heath
First, a little history.

As I am sure we all know, Linux currently does not support masquerading of video
conferencing protocols, including H.323.  There are partial solutions using
IPPORTFW, but none that work transparently.

So, a few weeks ago I started research into this project.  I found that doing
this was not going to be easy.  The initial connection is done on a well-known
port.  During that communication, a dynamic control channel is netgotiated, and
that channel is then used to allocate 'logical' channels, for video, data, and
audio, using UDP.

Normally, this wouldn't be a BIG problem, but the first two control channels are
encoded with ASN.1/PER.  For those of you that don't know what that is, it is a
data definition language, that allows for transfer of data between disparate
machines.  Also, it allows of OPTIONAL records in the data stream, which makes
it hard to just extract addresses at specific offsets.

In my research, I had found the ASN.1 definitions for H.323, but didn't have a
compiler to convert them into C header files and translation functions.  When I
went to find one, the only good one I found was SNACC, which used BER, instead
of PER.

I then went in search of the standards describing this, but the place that had
them was oversees, and charged 20 FF for access, and I didn't want to spend and
money becuase this is linux.

So, I started hand-converting the definition.  I had gotten a hex-dump from
developer.intel.com, and was making some progress, but ultimately, I couldn't be
sure that I had handled all situations.

I have just had a breakthough.  I had contacted a private company, and they
emailed me a copy of the standards for ASN.1/PER.  I should have a something
working by the end of the year.

First, I will be making a masquerading module, which will only support outgoing
connections.  Then, I will implement a user-mode proxy, that will comunicate
with the kernel module, and allow incoming connections.  I also want to make a
device driver to allow access to the data, audio, and video in an easier way.

I plan on having a basic kernel implementation by the end of the year.

Wish me luck+ACE-  :)


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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Raul Miller
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That said, it appears that the only policy compliant way for a package
> to run a script more frequently than once a day is to register a user,
> and create a crontab for that user. This is not too onerous for
> news or sendmail, but seems like overkill for every little package.

Creating a user shouldn't be that big of a deal, as long as it's a
useful abstraction.  Having a user for a fax system seems apropriate.

Also, not solving non-problems generally makes our work easier.

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Greenland wrote:
> That said, it appears that the only policy compliant way for a package
> to run a script more frequently than once a day is to register a user,
> and create a crontab for that user. This is not too onerous for
> news or sendmail, but seems like overkill for every little package.
> 
> I don't have any good ideas, though...:-(

Yeah, I've been wrestling with the same problem today, with mrtg. I don't want
to create a user, of course.

I wonder if it would be legit to modify root's crontab, via crontab -e. It
complies with the letter of policy, but perhaps not the spirit..

At least that method would work around the problem of /etc/crontab, a
conffile, being modifed. /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root is not a conffile..

Another way, that sould comply with policy, were if cron came with a
update-crontab script, that was responsible for modifying /etc/crontab,
in a similar fasion to update-inetd.

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote:
> Creating a user shouldn't be that big of a deal, as long as it's a
> useful abstraction.  Having a user for a fax system seems apropriate.

Having a user for mrtg doesn't seem very appropriate to me, though. Mrtg is
a simple program, that needs to run every 5 minutes. A user is overkill.

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Re: Mailinglists documented

1997-12-04 Thread Joey Hess
Yann Dirson wrote:
> One nice thing would be to document a way for anyone to know which
> debian lists he's currently subscribed to.
> 
> Is there such a mechanism, or is there only this stuff (what's its
> name, anyway ?) to be run on master to get the info ?

I know there's a way that Pete Templin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has of
checking this. Pete, I've several times wanted to check this, but didn't
want to bother you. I wonder if something could be automated?

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EGCS 1.0 is out

1997-12-04 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

Just to let everyone know, EGCS has very recently (hours) just put out
their first release!

  ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/egcs/releases/egcs-1.0

It contians it's own integrated libstdc++, libg++ is not supported right
now and is obscolecent.

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going to package e

1997-12-04 Thread Raul Miller
I intend to package the beta enlightenment window manager, imlib, and
the default themes.  If anyone wants to do it instead, I'll happily
fall back to kibitz mode -- let me know.

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Re: H.323 status

1997-12-04 Thread Mark W. Eichin
You might look at the rsalabs web site; there's an "introduction to
asn.1" document there which is quite thorough, despite the name,
though if I remember correctly it only describes one of BER or DER,
whichever PKCS actually use.  It might be worth a look.


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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Raul Miller
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having a user for mrtg doesn't seem very appropriate to me, though.
> Mrtg is a simple program, that needs to run every 5 minutes. A user is
> overkill.

If a user is overkill then cron probably is too.  You'd probably do
fine with something like

(
trap "" SIGHUP
su nobody -c '
while sleep 300; do
whatever;
done /dev/null 2>&1 &
echo $!
' >/var/run/mtrg.pid
)


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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Adam Heath

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From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org 
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Config file management utility


>On 02-Dec-1997 12:45:31, Joe Emenaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Has much discussion been had about a possible configuration file
>> management script for the package config scripts to use?
>>
>> For example, I installed cron on a Debian box, and then installed mgetty.
>> Mgetty placed the following at the end of my /etc/crontab:
>>
>>   #-- mgetty begin
>>   20,40 * * * *   root faxrunq
>>   #-- mgetty end
>>
>> Then, when I updated cron, it asked if I wanted to replace my
>> /etc/crontab. I'm assuming that this would have hosed my mgetty settings,
>> so I was forced to make the changes to /etc/crontab by hand.
>
>Report a bug against mgetty -- packages are not allowed to touch
>/etc/crontab (Debian Policy manual, section 3.5).
>
>That said, it appears that the only policy compliant way for a package
>to run a script more frequently than once a day is to register a user,
>and create a crontab for that user. This is not too onerous for
>news or sendmail, but seems like overkill for every little package.
>
>I don't have any good ideas, though...:-(
>
>sg
>
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>
>


How about this.  Some one creates a script, that is run from /etc/crontab.
Whenever this script is run, it checks to see if another program is supposed to
be run.  If so, it does it, then checks to see when the next script is supposed
to run.  It then remodifies /etc/crontab, updating it's entry, so that it can
run the next item.  Does anyone understand this?

I can't do it right now, as I am working on H.323 for Linux.


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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Joey Hess
Raul Miller wrote:
> If a user is overkill then cron probably is too.  You'd probably do
> fine with something like
> 
> (
>   trap "" SIGHUP
>   su nobody -c '
>   while sleep 300; do
>   whatever;
>   done /dev/null 2>&1 &
>   echo $!
>   ' >/var/run/mtrg.pid
> )

I'd much rather have a cron job for this than keep another process running
all the time. Cron is there so we don't have to use this sort of hack.

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Re: EGCS 1.0 is out

1997-12-04 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> Just to let everyone know, EGCS has very recently (hours) just put out
> their first release!
> 
>   ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/egcs/releases/egcs-1.0
> 
> It contians it's own integrated libstdc++, 

true

> libg++ is not supported right now and is obscolecent.

it's a bit misleading. It's not integrated into
tarball, but it's quite good piece of C++ codeand
can be compiled by EGCS. HJ has it packed separately
somewhere

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Rob Browning
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Another way, that sould comply with policy, were if cron came with a
> update-crontab script, that was responsible for modifying /etc/crontab,
> in a similar fasion to update-inetd.

I think that this, or something similar, is in the end, the right
solution.

Ideally, I think this should be handled like the menu package.
/etc/crontab would be augmented to have something like:

  #  BEGIN AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED SECTION -- DO NOT EDIT  #


  #   END AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED SECTION -- DO NOT EDIT   #

Then each package would just have a file in /usr/lib/cron/auto (or
whatever) which would be used to (re)build the contents of this
section whenever a relevant package was installed.

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Re: EGCS 1.0 is out

1997-12-04 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Oleg Krivosheev wrote:

> > libg++ is not supported right now and is obscolecent.
> 
> it's a bit misleading. It's not integrated into
> tarball, but it's quite good piece of C++ codeand
> can be compiled by EGCS. HJ has it packed separately
> somewhere

Ah, well any code that uses it is non-standard so I would strongly
discourage anyone from using it for a new project. The STL classes provide
pretty much the same functionality in a standard way.

Could we possible separate libg++ and libstdc++? I don't think there is
much reason to include libg++ in Base, but libstdc++ definately should be
in there. I do admit I don't have any idea how much C++ code in debian
makes use of the special G++ constructs so this might be a bad idea!

Jason


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[Q] Standard way to force libc5-compat?

1997-12-04 Thread Benjamin Redelings I
Hi, I successfully upgraded to hamm from a very recent CD.  I've got
netscape, Realplayer, mxaudio, & lots of other non-debian stuff working
(2.0.33-pre-1 :), so the distribution seems to be working pretty well.

However, there ARE some bugs, of course.  I'll report them here
later...is this the right list?  Is there an FAQ for people upgrading to
the unstable version?  I'd love to read it :)

What I need to know right know is whether or not there is a "standard"
way to run binaries (such as netscape) that have been builts with
libc5.  I have very simple script called '5run' that tries to do this
right now, but I still need to fix it so that it complains when it can't
find the libc5 version of a library, instead of just using the libc6
version (and crashing!).  Can somebody please point me in the right
direction?

I don't want to go ahead and write a big system, only to delete it
immediately when I find out its not the "right" way!

Thanks,
-BenRI


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Re: going to package e

1997-12-04 Thread Jim Pick

Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I intend to package the beta enlightenment window manager, imlib, and
> the default themes.  If anyone wants to do it instead, I'll happily
> fall back to kibitz mode -- let me know.

Lalo Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did a package of beta 12, back in August,
but he didn't upload it since he was waiting for developer status.  I wonder
what happened?  Did we lose another one?

Anyways, his old package is at:

ftp://ftp.mandrake.net/pub/enlightenment/debian-deb/

For some reason, there's no source packages.

Cheers,

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I plan on packaging sane

1997-12-04 Thread Kevin Dalley
I plan to package sane, an API for scanners, in the very near future.

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isdnutils/diald/ppp - hangs on authentication request

1997-12-04 Thread Oliver Elphick
I have an internal ISDN card using the HiSax driver and isdnutils; the
kernel is 2.0.31 + patches (equivalent, I think, to 2.0.32)
Versions:
ii  isdnutils   2.1.beta1-16   isdn utilities
ii  ppp 2.3.1-6Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon.
ii  diald   0.16.4-10  dial on demand daemon for PPP and SLIP.

The ISDN connection to my ISP is via a pseudo-modem on ttyI0.  In all other
respects it is the same as the connection via analogue modem.

The connection will hang if (I think) a remote authentication request
is received.  For instance, if I try to use it to upload a package to
chiark, the first file goes across, then there is an authentication request
from chiark and then the link is hung.

Can anyone offer a solution to this?  Has anyone any idea which package
the bug is in, or is it in the kernel itself?

How can I find out more precisely what is going wrong?


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Re: predepends on libc6?

1997-12-04 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
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On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Bdale Garbee wrote:

> In bug report 15091, Christian Meder suggests to me that I make gzip predepend
> on libc6.  It is not clear to me that this is a good thing to do.

[ I think it is a good thing to do, so I have changed the severity to
"grave" ].
 
> What is the process by which we expect current Debian 1.3.1 users to upgrade
> to Debian 2.0?  I used the libc5->libc6 mini-Howto when I upgraded my 
> systems, and all went very smoothly.  Do we expect to suggest our users go
> through a similarly manual process as part of the upgrade, or can we make it
> all work without manual intervention?

We "should" be able to do all work without manual intervention. To this
end, we should of course fine-tune all our Dependencies and
Pre-Dependencies to avoid system crashes or failures. That's why our
wonderful .deb format was created.
 
> I'd be pleased to do whatever is necessary in my packages (particularly
> the essential ones like gzip) to make this transition as smooth as possible,
> but I don't have a good sense of where we are with all this, and don't want
> to do anything rash.

Packaging manual says:

  Pre-Depends should be used sparingly, preferably only by
  packages whose premature upgrade or installation would hamper
  the ability of the system to continue with any upgrade that
  might be in progress.

In our case, "premature upgrade or installation of gzip would hamper the
ability of the system to continue with any upgrade that might be in
progress", because currently you can upgrade to libc6 and libc6-gzip in
such way that gzip is installed *before* libc6 get configured, and gzip
is used by dpkg itself to install other packages.

I am now surprised that the manual does not explicitly says that, in
general, all essential packages should have a Pre-Depends line, but at
least it suggest that all packages "essential to the packaging system"
should do.

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Re: What, why, where, utmp?

1997-12-04 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>One of my "gaping holes of ignorance" has to do with utmp entries; what
>they are, why are they gone, where is the package that creates them?

An utmp entry is an entry in a fixed-size binary database located in
/var/run/utmp. It describes a "login session" currently active on the machine,
that can be started by getty, telnetd, rlogind, ftpd, xterm, sshd etc.

>I know that one of the latest "fixes" to dpkg-buildpackage deals with the
>lack of utmp entries, but don't understand why they were abandoned.

They weren't - the size of the entries in the above mentioned database
changed because of the move to libc6 (libc6 defines a different, more
complete `struct utmp' which is the fixed-size entry I was talking about).
Because of that, some old programs were unable to read the new format.

>I just discovered that the command "login" is supposed to log the user out
>and present a new login prompt.

Not really - that only works if you do "exec login" thereby replacing your
current shell with a fresh login process.

>This command works ok if you are logged in
>as root, but when you try to use it as a user, you get a utmp entry
>missing error, with some statement about login only running from the base
>shell.

Presumably your root shell reckognizes "login" as a special case and does
an "exec login" instead, and the normal user shell doesn't.

I wouldn't recommend doing this by the way - normally, you exit from
the shell, the parent (either init, or rlogind, or telnetd etc) notices
this and writes a logout entry in the `wtmp' file. Then a new session
gets started and a new login entry starts. By using login directly, the
logout+new login entry never gets written so someone using "last" will only
see the first session (which accounts for the time spent by both the first
and the 2nd session). To prevent your users from doing this, take the `s'
bit off login!

>So, if there is anyone out there who can explain the problem (and has the
>inclination) I would appreciate some education. A good reference would
>probably work as well.

Hmm, I'm not sure if there's a complete reference somewhere.. I found out
all this stuff by trial and error. Hmm perhaps it would make a nice LJ
article :)

Mike.
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where is any_d.b

1997-12-04 Thread Michael Meskes
It disappeared on my system. Is it in a different package nowadays?

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Re: going to package e

1997-12-04 Thread Raul Miller
Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lalo Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did a package of beta 12, back in
> August, but he didn't upload it since he was waiting for developer
> status. I wonder what happened? Did we lose another one?

I was going to pick it up from him, but...
 
> Anyways, his old package is at:
> ftp://ftp.mandrake.net/pub/enlightenment/debian-deb/
> For some reason, there's no source packages.

That's where I was supposed to pick up the source package from, and
I've not seen it there :(

I suppose I should ask Mandrake directly.

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libc5

1997-12-04 Thread Michael Meskes
How come this packaged hasn't been updated for a while. Since H.J. Lu is
adding more and more libc6 compatibility changes I think it makes sense to
stay up-to-date with libc5, too.

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Re: Intent to package: umich-ldap / WNPP: Dermot Bradley probably not maintaining packages

1997-12-04 Thread Dermot John Bradley
On 3 Dec 1997, Ed Donovan wrote:

> I think Dermot Bradley isn't actively maintaining packages.  I sent mail
> to one of his addresses, about packaging gated, a while back.  I didn't
> hear from him, though I saw gated came off the WNPP list under his name
> later on.  His packages in the archive are mrtg, libgd, libgd-dev, and
> radiusd-merit (the last already tagged as an orphan); the most recent
> date on any of them is July 24.  And I don't see any mails to -devel or
> -user from him since July.

At the minute I'm not on debian-user or debian-devel (haven't been for 5-6
months now). This was due to a change in job which meant I lost my
24hr/128K leased line Internet access and so had to cut back on the
amount of email I received.

I haven't given up my Debian packages but unfortunately I've been short of
time recently for reading the latest packaging docs and keeping my
Debian machine up-to-date. I have over the last 2 weeks upgraded my
development machine to hamm (unstable) and intend to update my packages
for hamm.

As for the current state of my packages (and proposed packages):

- libgd & libgd-dev: trying to figure how to build got libc5 and libc6
versions using debmake - any help welcomed.

- mrtg: depends on me first finishing libgd and libgd-dev

- hylafax (hylafax-serever, hylafax-client, hylafax-doc): my last (first?)
version is still in project/experimental. Now that I've got my machine
running libc6 I indend to rebuild this and put it into unstable.

- gated (proposed): I built a package about 8-10 months ago but due to the
requirement for a license (because of the OSPF code) it couldn't go into
Debian (this was discussed on debian-devel back then). I still have my
.dsc and .diffs.gz files for this for an older version and I started work
on packaging gated 3.5.7 for libc6 last week (I see 3.5.8 has *just* come
out). Any suggestions what to do with the finished version? could it go in
non-free or would that still cause license problems?

- ldap (proposed): built an unreleased package but could never get slurpd
to work (threads problem). Intending to build under libc6 which is
supposed to have better threads support. An alternative option is that
Critical Angle have an RPM version of their heavily hacked Umich ldap.

- nocol (proposed): built an unreleased package many months ago and then
emailed nocol's author with my Linux patches. I've been waiting for the
nocol author to release 4.2 (which should have my patches) before
uploading a package of it - he told me about month ago that it would be
out within a week - still no sign :-)

- radiusd-merit: haven't looked at this for some time. Indeed someone else
did a non-maintainer release about 6 months ago so I let this one drop.

> So I think he's probably just gotten too busy, and you should go for it
> with ldap, Brian.  :-)

Not too busy, just having problems keeping up with packaging
standards/libc5-libc6 migration/debmake changes/Debian upgrades before I
can start updating my packages :-(

BTW Can anyone tell me how to create a package based on pristine source
using debmake?

Dermot

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Re: where is any_d.b

1997-12-04 Thread Scott Ellis
On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Michael Meskes wrote:

> It disappeared on my system. Is it in a different package nowadays?

I believe lilo20 obsoleted it.  Check out the lilo docs.

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Re: Intent to package: umich-ldap / WNPP: Dermot Bradley probably not maintaining packages

1997-12-04 Thread Raul Miller
Dermot John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW Can anyone tell me how to create a package based on pristine source
> using debmake?

>From www.debian.org, hit "developers corner". Then, start with Creating
a Package using Debmake, after that, hit New-Maintainer's Debian
Packaging Howto. Get your debian/* files to a rough approximation of
what you want, make note of areas where you need to do more. Then go
through the others (developer's reference, packaging manual, ..) and
look for stuff that seems relevant.  [hit a mirror site if www is acting
up.]

I've not successfully done a libc5/libc6 library package yet myself...

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Re: `COAS'

1997-12-04 Thread Behan Webster
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
> 
>  Perhaps Diety should become a part of that?

*sigh*...  not diety, Deity.
   ^^

I wish people would learn to spell.  This is one of the exceptions to
the "i before e" rule.

Behan

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Re: libc5

1997-12-04 Thread Richard Braakman
Michael Meskes wrote:
> How come this packaged hasn't been updated for a while. Since H.J. Lu is
> adding more and more libc6 compatibility changes I think it makes sense to
> stay up-to-date with libc5, too.

I haven't heard anything from Helmut Geyer in months, except for a
message on Sep 24 saying he was back.  (Apparently he wasn't).

I think it is time to officially orphan his packages, so that they can
find new maintainers.

As far as I can tell from the Packages files, this is his current list
of packages:

Source glibc: (already taken over)
  libc6-pic, libc6, libc6-dbg, locales, libc6-dev, timezones, libc6-doc

Source procps:
  procps, libproc-dev, xproc

Source libc:
  libc5-altdev, libc5, libc5-altdbg

Source fortune-mod:
  fortune-mod, fortunes

Package ghostview
Package lacheck   (needs conversion to libc6)
Package chos
Package auctex
Package xxgdb


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Re: EGCS 1.0 is out

1997-12-04 Thread Brian White
> Just to let everyone know, EGCS has very recently (hours) just put out
> their first release!
> 
>   ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/egcs/releases/egcs-1.0
> 
> It contians it's own integrated libstdc++, libg++ is not supported right
> now and is obscolecent.

Interesting.  I didn't think it was a Cygnus project.  Does anybody know
why it's just not "gcc 3.0"?

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Re: not a first amendment question

1997-12-04 Thread Brian White
> Brian> Morality is a touchy subject and (in my opinion) the _only_ place to
> Brian> draw this line is all or nothing.
> 
> Agreed, except that clearly illegal stuff should be banned, of
> course. I doubt anyone would condone a child_pornography.deb package,
> for instance :-)

Yes, "the law" is a good place to draw the line.  Of course, "the law"
changes depending upon which country you are in, but I'd think we could
quite easily satisfy the most popular goverments Debian is used under.

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Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-04 Thread Brian White
>  > Nope, didn't seem to be flagged for install on my end.  I would have
>  > suggested keeping the same name and conflicting with the versions of dump
>  > and quota that would have depended on the libraries.
> 
> OK. I think I'll change the name back to "e2fsprogs", and just make it
> conflict with old "dump" and "quota" packages.  There's not much
> chances anybody else will complaint, except for people having build
> local packages depending on it.
> 
> Anyone has objections to this ?

Sounds like the best solution to me.

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Re: EGCS 1.0 is out

1997-12-04 Thread Scott Ellis
On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Brian White wrote:

> > Just to let everyone know, EGCS has very recently (hours) just put out
> > their first release!
> > 
> >   ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/egcs/releases/egcs-1.0
> > 
> > It contians it's own integrated libstdc++, libg++ is not supported right
> > now and is obscolecent.
> 
> Interesting.  I didn't think it was a Cygnus project.  Does anybody know
> why it's just not "gcc 3.0"?

Because egcs is a fork of the GCC development.  GCC 2.8 is still planned
by the FSF, but isn't stable enough for release yet.  Read
http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/ for information on the egcs project.

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master's Incoming and 2.0 release date

1997-12-04 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hello everyone,

don't you think that having master's Incoming directory full of new
packages that haven't been integrated to hamm may delay 2.0 release?

I know Guy is having problems with his Internet connection but
wouldn't it be nice if we had more people taking care of Incoming?

What do you think?

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Re: `COAS'

1997-12-04 Thread Stephen Zander
Behan Webster wrote:
> *sigh*...  not diety, Deity.
>^^
> I wish people would learn to spell.  This is one of the exceptions to
> the "i before e" rule.

That's what comes from people not learning Latin at school anymore :)

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Who's root on Master?

1997-12-04 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
Hello, I need to have my password changed in master, who is in
charge of maintaining the user accounts there?

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Re: EGCS 1.0 is out

1997-12-04 Thread Jason Gunthorpe


On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Brian White wrote:

> > Just to let everyone know, EGCS has very recently (hours) just put out
> > their first release!
> > 
> >   ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/egcs/releases/egcs-1.0
> > 
> > It contians it's own integrated libstdc++, libg++ is not supported right
> > now and is obscolecent.
> 
> Interesting.  I didn't think it was a Cygnus project.  Does anybody know
> why it's just not "gcc 3.0"?

Cygnus sponosers development and many of the big developers are Cygnus
ones. The call it 'gcc 2.90' and I think they intend to somday release it
as gcc 3.0. Right now it is based on gcc 2.8 (still unreleased) and
contains a number of optimization and C++ improvements.

BTW, if anyone is doing C++ development you should use EGCS, it almost has
complete C++ support.

Jason


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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Joe Emenaker

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Adam Heath wrote:

> How about this.  Some one creates a script, that is run from /etc/crontab.
> Whenever this script is run, it checks to see if another program is supposed
> to be run.  If so, it does it, then checks to see when the next script is 
> supposed to run.  It then remodifies /etc/crontab, updating it's entry, so 
> that it can run the next item.  Does anyone understand this?

It sounds like something I was going to suggest as a joke. I was going to
propose that, in cron.daily, they put in a script that sets up 288 "at"
jobs... all 5 minutes apart. However, that's about at the top of the scale
of tackiness and inelegance, IMHO.

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Re: [H.323] H.323 status

1997-12-04 Thread Al Youngwerth
At 08:39 PM 12/3/97 -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
>First, a little history.
>
>As I am sure we all know, Linux currently does not support masquerading of
video
>conferencing protocols, including H.323.  There are partial solutions using
>IPPORTFW, but none that work transparently.
>
>So, a few weeks ago I started research into this project.  I found that doing
>this was not going to be easy.  The initial connection is done on a
well-known
>port.  During that communication, a dynamic control channel is
netgotiated, and
>that channel is then used to allocate 'logical' channels, for video, data,
and
>audio, using UDP.
>
>Normally, this wouldn't be a BIG problem, but the first two control
channels are
>encoded with ASN.1/PER.  For those of you that don't know what that is, it
is a
>data definition language, that allows for transfer of data between disparate
>machines.  Also, it allows of OPTIONAL records in the data stream, which
makes
>it hard to just extract addresses at specific offsets.
>
>In my research, I had found the ASN.1 definitions for H.323, but didn't
have a
>compiler to convert them into C header files and translation functions.
When I
>went to find one, the only good one I found was SNACC, which used BER,
instead
>of PER.

ASN decoding, lots of fun. I once wrote one of these for an SNMP module for
an embedded print server many years back. Unfortunately, I don't have
access to that code anymore. I don't remember what the BER/PER stuff is, I
thought it was all pretty generic. I would think you could find source for
an ASN decoder in the Linux SNMP code. Might be what you are looking for.

[snip]

>First, I will be making a masquerading module, which will only support
outgoing
>connections.  Then, I will implement a user-mode proxy, that will comunicate
>with the kernel module, and allow incoming connections.  I also want to
make a
>device driver to allow access to the data, audio, and video in an easier way.
>

Sounds great!

>I plan on having a basic kernel implementation by the end of the year.
>
>Wish me luck+ACE-  :)
>

Good luck.

>
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>
>ps.  The linux kernel comes with source(duh+ACE-), but I was wondering
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>thought about distributing the documentation that was used to generate the
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Re: `COAS'

1997-12-04 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
Behan Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Anon wrote:]
>>  Perhaps Diety should become a part of that?
>
>*sigh*...  not diety, Deity.
>   ^^

Diety, of course, meaning "of or like a diet".  In the same vein as
"boxy".

At least, that's what I think every time someone spells it like that.

:-)

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Re: bo-updates packages

1997-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 04-Dec-1997 14:08:59, Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) writes:
> Well, this temporary problem lasts since quite a while now and i fear
> that it will last for quite a while longer. I don't expect Debian-2.0
> to happen earlier than somewhere at the end of january next year. So
> why not update some crucial packages for bo resulting maybe in a minor
> interim release? How about perl-5.004, the current bash and a few
> other important goodies? 

And who is going to check and make sure that all the other packages in
bo that use perl, bash and the "few other important goodies" still
work the new versions? That's what a "stable" version is all about...

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Joe Emenaker


On 3 Dec 1997, Rob Browning wrote:

> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Another way, that sould comply with policy, were if cron came with a
> > update-crontab script, that was responsible for modifying /etc/crontab,
> > in a similar fasion to update-inetd.
> 
> I think that this, or something similar, is in the end, the right
> solution.
> 
> Ideally, I think this should be handled like the menu package.
> /etc/crontab would be augmented to have something like:
> 
>   #  BEGIN AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED SECTION -- DO NOT EDIT  #
> 
> 
>   #   END AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED SECTION -- DO NOT EDIT   #
> 
> Then each package would just have a file in /usr/lib/cron/auto (or
> whatever) which would be used to (re)build the contents of this
> section whenever a relevant package was installed.

Well, that's pretty much what I was suggesting in the beginning. The only
difference is that you wouldn't have one, monolithic section. Rather,
you'd have sections placed there by the individual packages. For example:

  echo "42 6 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily" | \
alter-file /etc/crontab --package=cron

causes /etc/crontab to read:

 # cron BEGIN
 42 6 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily 
 # cron END

And then you could append to sections, like so:

  echo "47 6 * * 7 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly" | \
alter-file /etc/crontab --package=cron --append

to give:

 # cron BEGIN
 42 6 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily
 47 6 * * 7 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly
 # cron END
 
You get the idea. Of course, in real life, you wouldn't do a section a
line at a time. You'd pipe the whole snippet in like so:

  alter-file /etc/crontab --package=cron < /tmp/mysnippet

You could remove a section:

  alter-file /etc/crontab --package=cron --remove

You could also specify that, if removal of a section leaves the file
empty, then remove the file:

  alter-file /etc/crontab --package=mgetty --remove --rm-on-empty

Also, since not all config files use "#" as the comment, you'd be able
to specify alternate comment chars (that the program uses for the BEGIN
and END markers):

  alter-file /etc/someconfig --package=foobar --comment=";" < /etc/snippet

Well, you guys get the idea..

I already have something like this written. One of my company's clients
uses us as an e-mail forwarding service. So we maintain the forwarding
e-mail addresses in an Access database and, periodically, we export it to
a text file and feed it into this script I've got which replaces
everything between "# BEGIN someclient" and "# END someclient" with the
new section. So... it wouldn't be all that difficult to add the other
features I've mentioned.

The only problem is that it uses Perl. I haven't read the Debian policies
so I don't know if Perl (or a stripped down version of it) is one of the
things I can assume is on even the most minimal system. If not, I can do
the same thing with bash/sed, I s'pose.

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Re: master's Incoming and 2.0 release date

1997-12-04 Thread James Troup
"Eloy A. Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I know Guy is having problems with his Internet connection but
> wouldn't it be nice if we had more people taking care of Incoming?

Guy is back in some form, at least he just dealt with a whole host of
bugs filed against ftp.debian.org.

Martin and I have offered to help Guy with Incoming and he's
indicated[1] that when he gets back, he'll take us up on that offer.
(We {c,w}ouldn't just start barging in there and start doing stuff
for, hopefully, self-evident reasons)

[1] http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-devel-9711/msg00919.html>

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Raul Miller
Joe Emenaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only problem is that it uses Perl. I haven't read the Debian policies
> so I don't know if Perl (or a stripped down version of it) is one of the
> things I can assume is on even the most minimal system. If not, I can do
> the same thing with bash/sed, I s'pose.

You can rely on perl.

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Re: Config file management utility

1997-12-04 Thread Rob Browning
Joe Emenaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Well, that's pretty much what I was suggesting in the beginning. The only
> difference is that you wouldn't have one, monolithic section. Rather,
> you'd have sections placed there by the individual packages. For example:

The only advantage to the monolithic section I can see is that then
you only have one block that the tool is ever manipulating, and since
the entire block is regenerated anytime any piece changes, it seemed
like it might make the setup less affected by minor corruptions.

Proabably not a big deal either way...

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Linking (ld) problem with package.

1997-12-04 Thread Rob Browning

I'm trying to improve some stuff in the rscheme package, and I have
several shared libraries (for rscheme internal use only), that I need
to glom together into one big shared library -- i.e. I want the
collected library to contain all the code from the sub-libraries -- no
dynamic links to any of the others.  Is this possible?  I've looked
through the ld info pages several times and haven't found anything
that works.

Thanks

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Re: (fwd) cutils version 1.5.2 - C language miscellaneous utilities

1997-12-04 Thread Yann Dirson
Hamish Moffatt writes:
 >   ctangle and cweave - simple literate C programming tools

These are already part of the "cweb" package.  If there're different,
you may use alternatives ?

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Will dump work with disks over 2Gb?

1997-12-04 Thread Oliver Elphick
With the latest version of dump, I tried to backup my new 4.5Gb disk to DAT
tape:

linda# /sbin/dump 0nufB /dev/st0 1365000 /usr1
  DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Thu Dec  4 22:46:30 1997
  DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
  DUMP: Dumping /dev/sdb1 (/usr1) to /dev/st0
  DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
  DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
  DUMP: estimated 642366 tape blocks on 0.47 tape(s).
  DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
  DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files]
  DUMP: 8.39% done, finished in 0:54
  DUMP: 16.68% done, finished in 0:49
  DUMP: 24.97% done, finished in 0:45
  DUMP: 33.27% done, finished in 0:40
  DUMP: 41.57% done, finished in 0:35
  DUMP: bread: lseek fails
  DUMP: bread: lseek fails
  DUMP: bread: lseek fails
  DUMP: bread: lseek fails
  ... and so on for ever ...

Versions:
ii  dump0.4b4-24.4bsd dump and restore for ext2 filesystems
ii  e2fslibsg   1.10-8 The EXT2 file system shared libs.
ii  e2fsprogsg  1.10-8 The EXT2 file system utilities.

Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/hda3  49737   1867128498 40%   /
/dev/hda4  96619   4725044380 52%   /var
/dev/sda12028098 1285225   638051 67%   /usr
/dev/sdb14292072  612693  3457282 15%   /usr1

dump worked fine on the other three partitions.



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