various computers for adoption

1997-12-02 Thread bruce
I have a number of computers for adoption by people who will use them to
support Debian, and preferrably people who will keep them online for others
to use.

Original DEC Alpha Multia. I want money for this one. Round out your
architecture collection. No RAM or disk. Insists on true parity RAM.

DecStation 5000. MIPS R4000, but different byte-sex from other MIPS
systems. No Linux kernel, and may never have one because the
documentation's not available.

DecStation 3000. MIPS R3000. See above.

Two SparcStation 1 systems. One works, the other may work. One has RAM
and a disk.

68k Mac II.

Amiga 3000. Runs.

Thanks

Bruce


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Re: bugs...

1997-12-02 Thread Mark W. Eichin
>nedit installed its files to /usr/X11/bin, which didn't previously
>exist. I can't remember if there was supposed to be a symlink from

Ok, we can at least get that one fixed...


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Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen

1997-12-02 Thread Jim Pick

> The logo I chose is
> 
> http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-logo/profile/si02.html

Good choice.  You forgot to give some credit to the artist (Simon?) though.

Do you think SPI should trademark it?  What sort of licensing do you think
would be best?  What does the original artist think?

In order to use the BSD daemon (ie. on product packaging, literature, T-Shirts,
etc.) you need express written permission from Marshall Kirk McKusick.

http://www.freebsd.org/daemon.html

Conversely, the Linux penguin by Larry Ewing was included in the kernel
source - so I imagine that means it is covered by the GPL.  Actually,
Larry grants permission to use/modify it on his web page.

http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/

Cheers,

 - Jim





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Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen

1997-12-02 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Jim Pick wrote:

> 
> > The logo I chose is
> > 
> > http://fatman.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/debian-logo/profile/si02.html
> 
> Good choice.  You forgot to give some credit to the artist (Simon?) though.
> 
> Do you think SPI should trademark it?  What sort of licensing do you think
> would be best?  What does the original artist think?
> 
> Conversely, the Linux penguin by Larry Ewing was included in the kernel
> source - so I imagine that means it is covered by the GPL.  Actually,
> Larry grants permission to use/modify it on his web page.

hmm...

permission to modify logo ???

will it be an logo after all ?

ok


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Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen

1997-12-02 Thread bruce
From: Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Good choice.  You forgot to give some credit to the artist (Simon?)

That's why. All I have is "Simon?".

> Do you think SPI should trademark it?

Yes, definitely, right away. It turns out that it is absurdly easy to
file for a trademark, I did the "debian" one in about half an hour.
See www.uspto.gov . When that $200 check I wrote the government comes
through, I'll bill it back to the project. I suggest that someone in
the U.S. do the trademark application for the Debian logo as SPI
is a U.S. corporation. Please coordinate with Ian Jackson.

> Conversely, the Linux penguin by Larry Ewing was included in the kernel
> source - so I imagine that means it is covered by the GPL.  Actually,
> Larry grants permission to use/modify it on his web page.

Larry holds a common law trademark (go read www.uspto.gov if you don't
believe in those). He can register it if he wishes, but he has rights
whether or not he registers it.

Thanks

Bruce


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Intent to package: umich-ldap

1997-12-02 Thread Brian Bassett
Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone was working on packaging the University of
Michigan's LDAP server and client suite.  I noticed that hamm does not
contain anything LDAP related and thought this might be a good addition.

I just would like to pick everyone's brains and make sure of something.  I
think that the following copyright would be acceptable under the DFSG:

---

Copyright (c) 1992-1996 Regents of the University of Michigan.
All rights reserved.

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted
provided that this notice is preserved and that due credit is given
to the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor. The name of the University
may not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this
software without specific prior written permission. This software
is provided ``as is'' without express or implied warranty.

---

Please let me know if I'm wrong on that or anything.  I should have a
package ready in about a week or so.

Thanks,
Brian Bassett



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regarding the recent problems with http://www.debian.org

1997-12-02 Thread Sue Ann Campbell
As many of you know, there have been some problems with http://www.debian.org
Bruce has given permission for www.debian.org to be moved to va.debian.org
and I have already moved the main part of the pages. There are a few minor
corrections to be made and mirroring of the bug lists and list archives
need to be set up (hopefully they will both be moved onto this site).

This will give us a number of improvements. All mirrors will be able to
mirror directly from this site which will minimize the number of points
of failure. Also, the US will have a secondary site at the existing
www.debian.org (aka debian.crosslink.net) under www.us.debian.org .

Due to time constraints, my husband, Jay Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, will be 
doing
a lot of the work on the web pages so don't be surprised if mail to me
gets answered by either one of us.

I am looking forward to this new setup. We have answered at least 40 complaints
to webmaster about the problems with http://www.debian.org in the last few days.
At least this shows that Debian is becoming popular!

- Sue


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Re: regarding the recent problems with http://www.debian.org

1997-12-02 Thread bruce
Watch out, they haven't done the IP number change yet. Hopefully I can get
it done tomorrow.

Bruce


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Re: Intent to package: umich-ldap

1997-12-02 Thread Adam P. Harris

[Brian Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> I was wondering if anyone was working on packaging the University of
> Michigan's LDAP server and client suite.  I noticed that hamm does
> not contain anything LDAP related and thought this might be a good
> addition.

According to the debian prospective packages list, 
  http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html
Dermot Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is working on that package.

.A. P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/>



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Re: Intent to package: umich-ldap

1997-12-02 Thread Brian Bassett
Oops...  forgot about that doc.  Sorry for any confusion.

Brian

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Adam P. Harris wrote:

> 
> [Brian Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> > I was wondering if anyone was working on packaging the University of
> > Michigan's LDAP server and client suite.  I noticed that hamm does
> > not contain anything LDAP related and thought this might be a good
> > addition.
> 
> According to the debian prospective packages list, 
>   http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html
> Dermot Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is working on that package.
> 
> .A. P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/>
> 
> 
> 


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Re: regarding the recent problems with http://www.debian.org

1997-12-02 Thread James A . Treacy
> Watch out, they haven't done the IP number change yet. Hopefully I can get
> it done tomorrow.
> 
No problemo. No DNS changes will be made to www.debian.org until everything is
stable and va.debian.org's IP i changed. The only rush is to get a fully
working www.debian.org

- Jay


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Re: Packages available for expert maintainers or newbies

1997-12-02 Thread David Welton
> pftp  FTP client

Got it! 

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need help in identifying changed files in pacakges, + general pacakging questions

1997-12-02 Thread Radu Duta
I'm trying to develop a system of identifying all the files belonging to 
packages
that have changed on a system.

This is very important if you want to save a current configuration.  For example
I go in and tweak various files here and there (init scripts) or change config
files (sendmail, etc...).  I'd like to identify all these and put them in some
sort of archive, so that I can reproduce the state of the machine if I have
to do a fresh reinstall, or transfer the config to another machine.

 At first I thought I could look at the creating time, mod time, but if a
person edits a file, all times will be set to the same.  

By taking a quick look around the /var/lib/dpkg/info I noticed several types of
files that look promising.  First are the md5sum files but:::

# /bin/ls -1 | cut -d"." -f1 | sort |uniq |wc
212 2121684
# /bin/ls -1| grep md5 | cut -d"." -f1 | sort |uniq |wc
 72  72 548

not all packages have md5sums.  Maybe md5sums should be generated during the
package installation process if one is not available.  There are also two files
in the 131 dist "comerr2.checksumse2fsprogs.checksums".  What is with
the different file extension.

Another type of file that looked interesting is the .conffiles but I realized
that for X apps the app-default is usually not included in the conffiles, which
I think they should be, but maybe I misunderstand the role of conffiles.   That
would be isolate the configuration related files from the applications related
files.  For example the XTerm xdefaults from the xterm executable, or the man
page, which should not be changed.  The files that are not suppose to be changed
should be watched with tripwire, if it's not done already.  Any comments?

One possible way of keeping track of modified packages would be to touch
all the files a package with the installation date, and keep track of the
installation date, then you'd just have to look at the dates for the files
to identify whether or not the file was modified since installation or not,
if somebody didn't want the change to be noticed (intentionally) they could
touch the file manually.

Another option would be to set up something along the same line as tripwire
to track changes, but md5sum on /usr would be quite CPU intensive, and would
prevent the SA from circumventing the system easily, which is handy.

Is there any type of audit trail in place for package addition, upgrade, 
deletion?  This is a pretty broad topic, but might as well throw it in 
for good measure.

BTW, I happen to feel pretty strongly about these issues, and having been
an SA for some years, and having to deal with production type environments,
I can say that these issues are also very important to a great many other
people as well.

Radu


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Debian Logo - Transparent Version

1997-12-02 Thread Paul J Thompson
I have converted our new logo into a transparent GIF, if anyone is
interested.  It looks pretty decent and is nice for light colored
backgrounds.  It can be found at the bottom of my web page:
http://thomppj.student.okstate.edu/~thomppj/

- Paul J Thompson

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Re: not a first amendment question

1997-12-02 Thread Petri Wessman
On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:40:00 -0500, Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Brian> Morality is a touchy subject and (in my opinion) the _only_ place to
Brian> draw this line is all or nothing.

Agreed, except that clearly illegal stuff should be banned, of
course. I doubt anyone would condone a child_pornography.deb package,
for instance :-)

Otherwise I'm totally against censoring anything based on content. If
you don't like something or find something offensive, don't install
it. It's not like someone is forcing users to install the purity
package, for example.

I think the recent comparison to "fortune" was valid. It asks whether
or not to install the "offensive" portion at install time. Why
couldn't the purity package (and any other similiar packages) do the
same? Or at least display a warning about "possibly offensive
content". That way everyone should be reasonably happy.

//Petri


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Shared library major version number

1997-12-02 Thread Oliver Elphick
How do I get gcc to link in the shared library major version number?

I get this: 
gcc -o psql -L../../interfaces/libpq psql.o stringutils.o   -lpq -lcrypt -ldld 
-lnsl -ldl
-lm -lreadline -lhistory -lcurses  -export-dynamic -Wl,-rpath 
-Wl,/usr/lib/postgresql/lib

linda:/usr/src/postgresql-6.2.1$ ldd debian/tmp/usr/bin/psql
libpq.so => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so (0x4000c000)
  ^^  ^^I
libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4001c000)
libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40049000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4004f000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40052000)
libreadline.so.2 => /lib/libreadline.so.2 (0x4006b000)
libhistory.so.2 => /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2 (0x4008d000)
libncurses.so.3.4 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (0x40095000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x400da000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

linda:/usr/src/postgresql-6.2.1$ /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep libpq
libpq.so.1.0.0 (ELF) => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so.1.0.0
libpq.so.1 (ELF) => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so.1
libpq.so (ELF) => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so
linda:/usr/src/postgresql-6.2.1$ 



but I cannot find any way to make it link to libpq.so.1 instead.
All the other libraries seem to get linked in that way without any
special instructions.



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Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-02 Thread Yann Dirson
Scott K. Ellis writes:
 > BTW, is there a particular reason that e2fsprogs got renamed to
 > e2fsprogsg?  This seems to be the biggest chance to completely screw over
 > someone's system in all of Debian now.

Yes: e2fsprogs used to contain shared libs, on which dump and quota
depend. Thus, e2fsprogs was assumed to be a package with libc5 libs,
and I could not keep the name, without breaking dump and quota on a
hamm upgrade.

I thought that, e2fsprogsg being essential, would be flaged for
installation as soon as it appears in the available packages. Is this
not the case ?

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Re: Shared library major version number

1997-12-02 Thread fog
On  2 Dic, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> How do I get gcc to link in the shared library major version number?
> 
> I get this: 
> gcc -o psql -L../../interfaces/libpq psql.o stringutils.o   -lpq -lcrypt 
> -ldld 
> -lnsl -ldl
> -lm -lreadline -lhistory -lcurses  -export-dynamic -Wl,-rpath 
> -Wl,/usr/lib/postgresql/lib
> 
> linda:/usr/src/postgresql-6.2.1$ ldd debian/tmp/usr/bin/psql
> libpq.so => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so (0x4000c000)
>   ^^  ^^I
> libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4001c000)
> libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40049000)
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4004f000)
> libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40052000)
> libreadline.so.2 => /lib/libreadline.so.2 (0x4006b000)
> libhistory.so.2 => /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2 (0x4008d000)
> libncurses.so.3.4 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (0x40095000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x400da000)
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
> 
> linda:/usr/src/postgresql-6.2.1$ /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep libpq
> libpq.so.1.0.0 (ELF) => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so.1.0.0
> libpq.so.1 (ELF) => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so.1
> libpq.so (ELF) => /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/libpq.so
> linda:/usr/src/postgresql-6.2.1$ 
> 
> 
> 
> but I cannot find any way to make it link to libpq.so.1 instead.
> All the other libraries seem to get linked in that way without any
> special instructions.

You do the right thing. It's libpq.so.1 that is faulty. When you build
it you should give the -Wl,-soname,libpq.so.1 flag to gcc.
Hope this helps...

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Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-02 Thread David Gaudine


On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Yann Dirson wrote:

> Yes: e2fsprogs used to contain shared libs, on which dump and quota
> depend. Thus, e2fsprogs was assumed to be a package with libc5 libs,
> and I could not keep the name, without breaking dump and quota on a
> hamm upgrade.
> 
> I thought that, e2fsprogsg being essential, would be flaged for
> installation as soon as it appears in the available packages. Is this
> not the case ?

For me, the problem was that e2fsprogs, e2fsprogsg, and e2fslibsg
are all "required base", but since 2 of them conflict, I ended up
with only e2fslibsg.  This happened on two quite different systems;
one that was a fresh install last week, and one that I've been upgrading
for at least a year.  After installing e2fsprogsg, I'm left with the
following "Available Required packages"; the very existence of this
section makes me nervous.

--- Available Required packages in section base --- 
  __ Req basecomerr2  1.10-7  The Common Error Descript
  __ Req basee2fsprogs1.10-7  The EXT2 file system util
  __ Req basemawk 1.3.3-1.1   a pattern scanning and te
  __ Req basesysklogd 1.3-17.1Kernel and system logging
  __ Req basetimezones2.0.5c-0.1  Time zone data files and 
  __ Req baseupdate   1.3-2   daemon to periodically fl

e2fsprogsg and e2fsprogs were both in there at one point.  I suppose that
being "required base" doesn't cause a package to be installed, and none of
my installed packages required e2fsprogsg or anything that's provided by
e2fsprogsg.


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Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-02 Thread David Gaudine


On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, David Gaudine wrote:

> for at least a year.  After installing e2fsprogsg, I'm left with the
> following "Available Required packages"; the very existence of this
> section makes me nervous.

I should add that I'm assuming that this is a transitional thing
(that's why it's called "unstable") and that when Hamm is "released"
the old libraries will be in "oldlibraries" and the old programs will
be gone.  Those of us who live on the edge are supposed to get these
little surprises, like not being able to boot, now and then.


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Re: need help in identifying changed files in pacakges, + general pacakging questions

1997-12-02 Thread rdm
Radu Duta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another type of file that looked interesting is the .conffiles but I
> realized that for X apps the app-default is usually not included in
> the conffiles, which I think they should be, but maybe I misunderstand
> the role of conffiles. That would be isolate the configuration related
> files from the applications related files. For example the XTerm
> xdefaults from the xterm executable, or the man page, which should not
> be changed. The files that are not suppose to be changed should be
> watched with tripwire, if it's not done already. Any comments?

Here's a quote from the debian policy manual (from 4.6):

   Application defaults files have to be installed in the directory
   /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/. They are considered as part of
   the program code. Thus, they should not be modified and should not
   be tagged as conffile. If the local system administrator wants to
   customise X applications globally, the file /etc/X11/Xresources
   should be used.

Unfortunately, none of this sort of policy is particularly obvious to
the systems administrator.

I'd kind of like to see a package which depositted a .readme (or
.policy?) in every significant directory covered by the file system
standard and/or debian policy, describing policy for that directory,
and especially some kind of note on configuration.

I'd also like to see embedded comments in each significant file --
a url if nothing else -- for policy details pertinent to that file,
and on alternate locations where two or more files provide a "base +
configuration" sort of system.

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Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-02 Thread James Troup
Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > BTW, is there a particular reason that e2fsprogs got renamed to
> > e2fsprogsg?  This seems to be the biggest chance to completely
> > screw over someone's system in all of Debian now.
> 
> Yes: e2fsprogs used to contain shared libs, on which dump and quota
> depend. Thus, e2fsprogs was assumed to be a package with libc5 libs,
> and I could not keep the name, without breaking dump and quota on a
> hamm upgrade.

Uhh, why not just conflict with suitable versions of dump and quota?
Changing the name is an absolutely *stunningly* bad idea IMHO.

This really should have been discussed before you implemented it
(apart from anything else you've made a new package essential so
discussion is required by policy).

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Re: be careful with Replaces, please

1997-12-02 Thread Scott Ellis
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Yann Dirson wrote:

> Scott K. Ellis writes:
>  > BTW, is there a particular reason that e2fsprogs got renamed to
>  > e2fsprogsg?  This seems to be the biggest chance to completely screw over
>  > someone's system in all of Debian now.
> 
> Yes: e2fsprogs used to contain shared libs, on which dump and quota
> depend. Thus, e2fsprogs was assumed to be a package with libc5 libs,
> and I could not keep the name, without breaking dump and quota on a
> hamm upgrade.
> 
> I thought that, e2fsprogsg being essential, would be flaged for
> installation as soon as it appears in the available packages. Is this
> not the case ?

Nope, didn't seem to be flagged for install on my end.  I would have
suggested keeping the same name and conflicting with the versions of dump
and quota that would have depended on the libraries.

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Weird message ftp'ing master.debian.org

1997-12-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
master.debian.org apparently thinks that I'm an anonymous user.
What's up with this?

blp:/raid/home/blp$ ftp master.debian.org
Connected to master.debian.org.
220-This system is for internal use by the Debian developers. It is not
220-open to anonymous FTP. Please use ftp.debian.org or one of its many
220-mirrors.
220-
220 debian FTP server (Version wu-2.4(14) Wed Jan 8 21:17:19 MET 1997) 
ready.
Name (master.debian.org:blp): pfaffben
530-
530-Sorry, there are too many anonymous users using the system at this
530-time.  Please try again later.  There is currently a limit of 10
530-anonymous users for your domain group.
530-
530 User pfaffben access denied
Login failed.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> 
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Re: nedit 5.0 questions

1997-12-02 Thread Victor Torrico
On 97/12/02 at 09:13 AM -0600, Mark Edel wrote: 

> > I'm using the debian -2.deb package of nedit 5.0.  The Page Up and Page Down
> > keys don't work.  The statistics line does not appear when it's preferences 
> > or
> > default settings are selected.  Sometimes I can't save a file (^S) or quit 
> > nedit
> > (^Q) when a caret mark appears instead of the cursor line.
> > 
> > The old debian-smotif package did these things OK.
> > 
> > Any help sincerely appreciated.  Just joined the list so don't know if this 
> > has
> > been discussed before.
> 
> Would you mind trying the linux executable from ftp.fnal.gov for comparison?
> You can get it from:  ftp://ftp.fnal.gov/pub/nedit/v5_0/nedit_linux.tar.gz.

I removed the debian nedit_5.0-2.deb package and installed the linux executable.
This corrected all the problems except the Page Up key still does not work.  I'm
running an i586 debian GNU Linux box with all the latest packages from the
/debian/hamm/hamm/binary directory.  Am using the debian packages of the KDE
window manager.

> Where did you get the package?

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/hamm/non-free/binary/editors/nedit_5.0-2.deb

> -- Mark Edel

Thanks for your kind help. 

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linux/unix to NT

1997-12-02 Thread Mariusz Pagowski
Hello,
I learned about samba package allowing me to access disks
on NT machine from unix/linux. But does samba allow me
to login/telnet to NT machine from linux/unix and run remotely
a program on it? If not is there some software which would allow 
me to do it?
Thanks,
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Re: linux/unix to NT

1997-12-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
Mariusz Pagowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I learned about samba package allowing me to access disks
> on NT machine from unix/linux. But does samba allow me
> to login/telnet to NT machine from linux/unix and run remotely
> a program on it? If not is there some software which would allow 
> me to do it?

No, it doesn't.  There might exist software to do this, but it's
likely expensive and commercial.
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Re: linux/unix to NT

1997-12-02 Thread E. MACHA
OpenNT... from the top of my head I don't remember what their www pages
are.. but OpenNT allows you to 'telnet' into an NT system and run
programs as if on a console window. It is a commercial package.

FYI.. clarifying Mariusz statement... samba allows NT/95/MS clients to
access your linux box. smbfs is the vice versa of that.

-Frank

On 2 Dec 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote:

> Mariusz Pagowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I learned about samba package allowing me to access disks
> > on NT machine from unix/linux. But does samba allow me
> > to login/telnet to NT machine from linux/unix and run remotely
> > a program on it? If not is there some software which would allow 
> > me to do it?
> 
> No, it doesn't.  There might exist software to do this, but it's
> likely expensive and commercial.
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question

1997-12-02 Thread Timo Pettersson
Hi. I wasn't shore were to send this mail so I sended it here. 
I'm wondering if I can run Linux on my machine.
I have a PentiumII 266 with an AGP graphic-card (Asus 3Dexplorer).
I couldn't find any of them on your site. Neither any driver for Sound
Blaster 64.
Please send me an answer. I'm really tired of Windows95 and want to change
to Linux.
And one more question. I saw two screen shoots of some Linux. It was real
nice, but I wonder if I can change the way it look exactly the way I want
it to look? (The graphical part)

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Re: linux/unix to NT

1997-12-02 Thread Mark Baker

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mariusz Pagowski) writes:

> I learned about samba package allowing me to access disks
> on NT machine from unix/linux.

Actually the other way round; samba lets you turn your unix box into a
windows network compatible fileserver. There is a client (which would do
what you describe) for linux, called smbfs.

> But does samba allow me to login/telnet to NT machine from linux/unix and
> run remotely a program on it?

No it doesn't.

> If not is there some software which would allow me to do it?

One of the service packs for NT includes a telnet daemon; install that and
you can telnet in to do simple things. It's of somewhat limited use, though,
since most NT programs try to do graphics and NT doesn't support X.


Config file management utility

1997-12-02 Thread Joe Emenaker

Has much discussion been had about a possible configuration file
management script for the package config scripts to use?

For example, I installed cron on a Debian box, and then installed mgetty.
Mgetty placed the following at the end of my /etc/crontab:

  #-- mgetty begin 
  20,40 * * * *   root faxrunq
  #-- mgetty end

Then, when I updated cron, it asked if I wanted to replace my
/etc/crontab. I'm assuming that this would have hosed my mgetty settings,
so I was forced to make the changes to /etc/crontab by hand. 

So, I was thinking... why not have a utility that the scripts would use to
make all modifications to config files kinda like what mgetty did with
the "#-- mgetty begin" and "#-- mgetty end"? The only difference is that
*all* packages (even the package that "owns" a particular config file)
would be encouraged to use the utility. In the example, cron would use the
utility to make updates to /etc/crontab, as /etc/crontab would ostensibly
have "#-- cron begin" and "#-- cron end" statements as well.

Of course, the utility would have to have command switches to alter what
comment character to use... whether the file could be deleted if it was
empty (after removing a section, say)

Has this already been discussed and thrown out?

- Joe



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Re: question

1997-12-02 Thread Ben Pfaff
"Timo Pettersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi. I wasn't shore were to send this mail so I sended it here.

In the future send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  debian-devel
is not the correct forum.

> I'm wondering if I can run Linux on my machine.
> I have a PentiumII 266 with an AGP graphic-card (Asus 3Dexplorer).

AGP cards are not yet supported by XFree86.  They should be supported
in a few months, though, if the underlying chipset is already
supported.  What chipset does this card use?

> I couldn't find any of them on your site. Neither any driver for Sound
> Blaster 64.

Sound Blaster 64 is fully supported, including AWE features, if you
compile those features into your kernel.

> Please send me an answer. I'm really tired of Windows95 and want to change
> to Linux.

That's the attitude!

> And one more question. I saw two screen shoots of some Linux. It was real
> nice, but I wonder if I can change the way it look exactly the way I want
> it to look? (The graphical part)

You can change it however you want.  At least a dozen window managers
are available, most of which are highly configurable.  If you have a
lot of trouble doing your customizations, you can edit the source
code, for that matter.
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Easier configuration idea....

1997-12-02 Thread Joe Emenaker

One of the faculty I have to support here is using Caldera's OpenLinux.
Although Debian is still my favorite, I am pleased with some of the easy
configuration features of OpenLinux.

For those of you who are unaware, OpenLinux has a directory under /etc
called, I believe, sysconfig. In there are bunches of scripts that are
employed by the rc scripts in rc?.d and init.d. For example, I believe the
NFS one is located at /etc/sysconfig/network/nfs and its contents might
look something like:

   run_on_boot=y
   run_as=root
   
Probably a few others. I forget. The nice thing here is how easy it is to
turn something on or off. With Debian, to turn something off I usually go
into /etc/init.d and rename netstd_nfs to netstd_nfs.off. Kinda ugly.

What I find exciting is the potential to have a dselect-like utility to
manage the system configuration. If those little configration files
contained some verbage about what the package does, like:

   descrip=Network File System. Allows you to share directories, etc.

then you have the makings of a quick little utility that would let you
turn options on and off in a menued utility.

Again... has this already been discussed and thrown out? I'd be willing to
write the config utility if I could get some sort of buy-in that it would
actually be embraced by the package maintainers if the utility didn't
suck.

- Joe



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Proposal to package propsel

1997-12-02 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
I just saw this on c.o.l.a. and want to package it:

Title:  propsel
Version:27-Nov-1997
Entered-date:   27-Nov-1997
Description:propsel is for people who work with more than a single
X11 display on their desk. It allows one to paste into a
xterm on one display the contents of the selection of
another display.
Keywords:   selection, X11, multi
Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amit Margalit)
Maintained-by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amit Margalit)
Primary-site:   ftp://hishome.net/pub/propsel/
Alternate-site: N/A
Original-site:  N/A
Platforms:  gcc, X11R5.
Copying-policy: GPL

Any objections?

Thanks,

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen

1997-12-02 Thread Marco Budde
Am 01.12.97 schrieb bruce # va.debian.org ...

Moin Bruce!

BP> We've been having a logo contest for a long time. It failed to generate
BP> a consensus on a logo for the project. It got to the point where people

What's wrong with the logo on www.debian.org?

BP> I chose this logo because it is a simple, easily recognized image, it
BP> emphasizes the Linux connection while it is also definitely different
BP> from the Linux penguin, it's easily trademarked, and it has esthetic
BP> merit.

Sorry, but why do *you* chose the logo? I thought that Debian is a team  
and not one person. There should be an election.

cu, Marco

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Re: too many directories in /usr/doc?

1997-12-02 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sun, Nov 30, 1997 at 01:48:38PM -0500, James A. Treacy wrote:
> Thanks for using NetForward!
> http://www.netforward.com
> v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
> 
> > I'm taking over maintaining the linux-gazette packages from Christian
> > Schwarz, and I would prefer to just have /usr/doc/lg/copyright, rather than
> > having one in each /usr/doc/lg-issueXX directory. There will not be anything
> > else in /usr/doc/lg-issueXX as the issues are installed in /usr/doc/lg.
> > 
> > This seems the most reasonable to me, as it saves having sixteen
> > directories. I've just looked at the X stuff and it has loads of
> > directories, each with a copyright file in it. Hmmm.
> > 
> I'm surprised that there isn't a single directory, /usr/doc/lg, that contains
> all the issues. If people feel that it would be an abuse of policy not
> to have a /usr/doc entry for each issue, then simply make them a soft link
> into /usr/doc/lg.

I'd forgotten that I'll have to have seperate changelogs for each package
anyway, so the original post is a bit void. I was basically have a quick
swipe at the policy for being very rigid:
(policy 5.6)
 Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright
 and distribution license in the file /usr/doc//copyright.
 This file must neither be compressed nor be a symbolic link.

however I missed the third paragraph which says:

 /usr/doc/ may be a symbolic link to a directory in
 /usr/doc only if two packages both come from the same source and the
 first package has a "Depends" relationship on the second. These rules
 are important because copyrights must be extractable by mechanical means.

which is *almost* what I wanted - it only allows symlinking the
/usr/doc/ directory, not any file inside it.

Cheers

Adrian

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Re: searching Orn E. Hansen

1997-12-02 Thread Juergen Menden
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Richard Braakman wrote:
> 
> Dialdcost is orphaned, see
>http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html.
> 
> As far as I know there are no special procedures for picking up an
> orphaned package. 

i knew. but i have to discuss some copyright issues with
the former maintainer.

nevertheless thanks, i (well really Fabrizio) seem 
to have found him.

ciao,
jjm

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Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen

1997-12-02 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

> Sorry, but why do *you* chose the logo? I thought that Debian is a team  
> and not one person. There should be an election.

I disagree.  Let's have an election about whether we need an election.
Golly, this could be fun ;)

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Mailinglists documented

1997-12-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Good evening folks,

  Much of the the conversation between Debian developers and users is
  managed through several mailing lists.  Debian GNU/Linux is
  developed through distributed development all around the world.
  Therefore email is a preferred way to discuss various items.

  All the mailing lists that are served on lists.debian.org are now
  documented in one file and this should reflect their actual state.

  You'll find this file on your favourite Debian mirror in
  /debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt.  This file is a complete rewrite.

  Thanks to Bruce Perens for contributing the first version of this
  file.  I took over maintenance of this recently.  I will try to keep
  it up to date and to describe new lists.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: not a first amendment question

1997-12-02 Thread Aaron Howell
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 03:00:22PM +0200, Petri Wessman wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 16:40:00 -0500, Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> I think the recent comparison to "fortune" was valid. It asks whether
> or not to install the "offensive" portion at install time. Why
> couldn't the purity package (and any other similiar packages) do the
> same? Or at least display a warning about "possibly offensive
> content". That way everyone should be reasonably happy.
I'd like to point out that the version of purity under question did have such a 
warning.
>From the control file from purity_1-2.deb...
NOTE: This package contains some material which may be inappropriate for 
minors, and/or may offend some people.
A similar warning was also contained in the README.debian file
as well as a strong recommendation that people considering installing purity on 
a multi-user system
to which children might have access check that they were not in violation of 
local laws.
This to me constitutes a fair and reasonable warning that the package contains 
offensive material.
If, at this stage, you still downloaded purity and installed it,
I would suggest that an appropriate response to "oh my god this is naughty" is, 
"well, you _were_ warned."
Now, not being on debian-private (yet) I'm not able to guage the opinions of 
the other developers on this one
it appears a fair bt of discussion took place there too.
But the feeling that I got from Bruce was either drop the offensive stuff or 
have the package dropped.
I don't agree with this, I don't think its fair,
in fact, I believe the idea of supporting net censorship will result 
(eventually) in the net being
Reduced to the point where _everything_ must be vetted and deemed suitable (by 
some so called higher authority) to be suitable for the public at large.
On the other hand, Bruce *is* the project leader, so. *shrug*. I guess he gets 
the final say. *grin*.
Anyway, the latest purity package contains pointers to the rest of the tests,
and I think, at least for now, thats about the best we're going to get.
To the developers who are upset by this,
I hope someone who has been wth the project just a tad longer than me takes it 
upon themselves to put it to a policy vote.
I'd like to see a clear policy on just what is and isn't acceptable for debian 
rather than
"I think we can safely draw the line at..."
I think, personally, I'll be sticking in the future to packaging things a 
little less contraversial.
Just my 2k worth.
Aaron
> 
> //Petri
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Re: question

1997-12-02 Thread Mattias Evensson
Ben Pfaff wrote:
> 
> "Timo Pettersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I'm wondering if I can run Linux on my machine.
> > I have a PentiumII 266 with an AGP graphic-card (Asus 3Dexplorer).
> 
> AGP cards are not yet supported by XFree86.  They should be supported
> in a few months, though, if the underlying chipset is already
> supported.  What chipset does this card use?
> 

It uses the NVidia Riva 128 and SuSE has made a xserver for it (no
acceleration yet though). Have a look at
http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html for more information.

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Re: Mailinglists documented

1997-12-02 Thread Will Lowe
>   You'll find this file on your favourite Debian mirror in
>   /debian/doc/mailing-lists.txt.  This file is a complete rewrite.

Hmm.  I'm wondering about the last three paragraphs of this file:

1) Have we actually collected any money this way? :)

2) Shouldn't these read,  now that SPI is incorporated,  that donations
will be accepted to SPI rather than FSF?
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NEdit in current Debian package

1997-12-02 Thread Mark Edel
I have been getting reports from people who are using a buggy version
of NEdit from:
   
   ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/hamm/non-free/binary/editors/nedit_5.0-2.deb

Either someone built a copy of NEdit with LessTif and contributed it,
or you built it yourselves, but it was done with LessTif.  LessTif is
not finished yet, and NEdit built with LessTif is not reliable!  Please
remove it or replace as soon as possible, with the statically linked
Motif executable from:

  ftp://ftp.fnal.gov/pub/nedit/v5_0/nedit_linux.tar.gz

It rather bothers me to see NEdit publicly dragged through the mud, and
I sure hope it hasn't been burned in to any CDs in this form.

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Security audit tool?

1997-12-02 Thread Joe Emenaker

I was just poking around on the Debian web site and noticed that there's a
list of some known vulnerabilities in some packages.

Has anyone discussed making a tool that could ftp a current copy of this
list (in a properly formatted form, of course) and using it along with
dpkg to determine if a system had any of the packages/versions that are
vulnerable?

- Joe


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Re: Proposal to package propsel

1997-12-02 Thread Steve Dunham
Charles Briscoe-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I just saw this on c.o.l.a. and want to package it:

> Title:  propsel
> Version:27-Nov-1997
> Entered-date:   27-Nov-1997
> Description:propsel is for people who work with more than a single
> X11 display on their desk. It allows one to paste into a
> xterm on one display the contents of the selection of
> another display.
> Keywords:   selection, X11, multi
> Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amit Margalit)
> Maintained-by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amit Margalit)
> Primary-site:   ftp://hishome.net/pub/propsel/
> Alternate-site: N/A
> Original-site:  N/A
> Platforms:  gcc, X11R5.
> Copying-policy: GPL

> Any objections?

You might want to take a look at x2x also.  It passes selections and
allows you to use one mouse and keyboard with both displays.

I have a copy of the latest version at:

  http://www.cps.msu.edu/~dunham/out/x2x-1.26.tar.gz

I originally got it from:

   ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/SRC/x2x/x2x-1.26.tar.gz


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Re: Shared library major version number

1997-12-02 Thread Oliver Elphick
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  >On  2 Dic, Oliver Elphick wrote:
  >> How do I get gcc to link in the shared library major version number?
  >>...
  >You do the right thing. It's libpq.so.1 that is faulty. When you build
  >it you should give the -Wl,-soname,libpq.so.1 flag to gcc.
  >Hope this helps...

It does indeed.  Thank you.

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Technical Support Database suggestion...

1997-12-02 Thread Ean Schuessler
I think that it would be useful if we were to design a technical
support database (something along the lines of GNATS but more user
friendly) that created an online searchable database of issues that
had been raised by users and the resolutions that had come out of it.

This would not only be more usable than the mailing list method but
would go further towards eliminating the repeated handling of
identical problems. Hopefully people would search the database and if
they couldn't find anything relevant then they could add an entry to
the database.

It would also be interesting to build a language translation system
that used similar methods. Package maintainers could submit
application texts and messages to a database and Debianites could
cooperatively translate them to other languages.

All these applications should be web based.
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Debian Commercial Support

1997-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
Now that I am leaving the project leader position, I have some options
open to me that would have been conflicts of interest for before, but are
to Debian's benefit. I am assembling a 24/7 commercial support network for
Debian. The support database (essentially the replies of the email support
folks) will be GPL-ed and published.

I am looking for developers around the world who are interested in handling
email support and/or telephone support for pay.

Thanks

Bruce Perens
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Re: linux/unix to NT

1997-12-02 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 08:42:20PM +, Mark Baker wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mariusz Pagowski) writes:
> 
> > I learned about samba package allowing me to access disks
> > on NT machine from unix/linux.
> 
> Actually the other way round; samba lets you turn your unix box into a
> windows network compatible fileserver. There is a client (which would do
> what you describe) for linux, called smbfs.

smbclient (which comes with Samba) allows access to NT shares
from Linux, but it is not integrated with the file system.

hamish
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