Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Jeremy Stanley
e time by projects trying to inflate public impressions of their size: you're aware that GitHub counts someone as a "contributor" even if all the do is leave a comment on a bug report, right? By that gauge, Debian is probably orders of magnitude larger. -- Jeremy Stanley signat

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-08-01 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2024-08-01 22:10:58 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:23, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > > On 2024-08-01 12:23:43 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: > > [...] > > > To pick a random example, a less well known, less used, less > > &

Re: make vcswatch detect "archived" status

2024-08-03 Thread Jeremy Stanley
, nothing like the scale of GitHub, so I wouldn't recommend building large-scale workflows around our loose-knit community patterns. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: salt removed from mirror

2024-08-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
urity content[***]. Hope that helps. [*] https://bugs.debian.org/1069654 [**] https://bugs.debian.org/1009804 [***] https://bugs.debian.org/1074468 -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Representing Debian Metadata in Git

2024-08-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
urselves back then) to track the entirety of /etc in RCS. Yes having an auditable change history for your configuration is useful, but Git didn't invent that. Git has merely supplanted all prior version control systems, for this use case as well as others. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-08-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2024-08-26 21:28:38 -0700 (-0700), Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 17:19, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2024-04-02 16:44:54 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: > > [...] > > > I think a shallow clone of depth 1 is sufficient, although that's not > &

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-08-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
sometimes like trying to steer a train. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-08-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ecking generated files into version control if they can be recreated from existing contents of version control (not merely the versioned files but also the accompanying metadata). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:14:19AM +0200, Mario Iseli wrote: > Ok, this is a good argument. > I think the oppinion is more or less clear: > > Some people think it would be a nice idea, BUT it can be also a problem > because some people want more than one Ircd on a system. > > I only wanted to ask

Re: Release Date Update

2006-03-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 05:39:23PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 23:15 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 02:51:25PM -0800, Mark Shuttleworh wrote: > > > > (In case it wasn't clear, this wasn't Mark Shuttlewor*t*h posting. > > Please don't feed the troll.) >

Re: Maintainers Guide (was: How (not) to write copyright files - take two)

2006-03-26 Thread Jeremy Stanley
from what dh_make (0.40) gives right now. The default is... This package was debianized by Jeremy Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:12:01 +. It was downloaded from Copyright Holder: License: ...with no dates of copyright and no implication (in th

Re: Bug#364317: ITP: weather-util -- command-line tool to obtain weather conditions and forecasts

2006-04-22 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 08:02:20PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > You might (with your upstream hat on) take a look at (python-)pymetar, > a nice python module that can retrieve METAR data from all around the > world. Thanks! I actually looked at it before I started writing my util, and it looks

Re: make -j in Debian packages

2006-06-30 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:12:10PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Oh, so you mean checking the _free_ RAM instead of the _physical_ RAM? > This would be reasonable -- I didn't use this in the debian/rules > snippet I proposed as the physical memory is a trivially discernable > number while free RAM

Re: Enabling and installing of "risky" ("patented") codecs - made easy

2007-10-23 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:15:42AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath wrote: [...] > I suggest that, if such a repository will be created for patented > codecs, that e.g. sponsored uploads will not be allowed to this > archive. I know that most of you will hate this idea, but I > believe it is necessary to ke

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-25 Thread Jeremy Stanley
27; ...in my ~/.bash_aliases file. Works like a charm. But given that I prefer ratpoison and a screen full of xterms, I'll bow out of the rest of this thread. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
e to discard their output in the name of consistency. *Please* don't replace upstream's release tarballs just because they have a VCS. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact list

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
will do if you want to contribute to the upstream project. Makes sense. So then why does Debian (and for that matter so many other distributions outside of the *BSDs) base source packages on tarballs rather than building binary packages directly out of a VCS? It seems a contradiction on the one hand to assert that you don't need tarballs any longer but then on the other hand still rely on them completely. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140818204021.gv1...@yuggoth.org

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
gt; Also, why the forensic investigation wouldn't instead check that the > generated tarballs are really based on the correct PGP signed tags? [...] If there is a release-time build step between the VCS tag and the tarball, then this can become nontrivial. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-08-20 02:32:10 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] > Good! For the moment, it has worked nicely, apart from the fact that > *some* upstream, like Jeremy Stanley, don't like it. I honestly feel > sorry about that, especially with people like Jeremy and other OpenStack

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley
eam to avoid confusion around this is to stop releasing or otherwise emphasizing tarballs, especially if downstream packagers won't be using them anyway and will replace them with their own because their tools/workflows are optimized to do that instead. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: Default desktop for jessie Was: Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant ...

2013-06-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] > Did I miss anything? I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while you were at it... or am I showing my age? -- { PGP( 48F9961143495829 ); FINGER( fu...@cthulh

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-12 02:09:24 +0800 (+0800), Chow Loong Jin wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:01:58PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > What about replacing SMTP? > > With what? With ESMTP, of course! -- { PGP( 48F9961143495829 ); FINGER( fu...@cthulhu.yuggoth.org ); WWW( http://fungi.yuggoth.org/

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: > Something that doesn't have these limitations: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2487#section-7 [...] That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for transporting messages, but leveraging OpenPGP or S/MIME to provide

[OT] SMTP bad (was: default MTA)

2013-06-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-12 08:08:17 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for > > transporting messages, but leveraging OpenPGP or S/MIME to provide > > authentication and confident

Re: We need a global decision about R data in binary format, and stick to it.

2013-08-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-08-05 14:13:15 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote: [...] > The other is the assertion that this particular case involves a > generated data table. If this is the case then the source package > needs to contain the source code which generates the table - and, > really, it should regenerate the

Re: We need a global decision about R data in binary format, and stick to it.

2013-08-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-08-05 16:41:13 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote: [...] > There should IMO be a standard way to request a source package to do > from-scratch rebuilds for this kind of thing, for QA purposes. I absolutely agree. If there were a standard make target or envvar for this purpose I would gladly

Re: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make

2012-10-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-10-17 23:55:08 +0200 (+0200), Philipp Kern wrote: > am Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 05:48:39PM -0400 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > > > With the danger of being sued if you put up the result onto the public > > > interwebs. > > > > Could you please expand on that? Logo / trademark reasons or li

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment

2012-12-04 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-04 12:42:33 -0800 (-0800), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] > The main issue for some of us is not so much the ethical > objections to these sorts of agreements but rather the fact that > our employers flatly are not interested in signing anything of the > sort, ever, with anyone. Much of my fr

Re: Feedback

2012-12-25 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-25 22:50:57 +1000 (+1000), Mistikos Nik wrote: [...] > Debian use to be really popular. Now only old people use it. [...] I suddenly feel very old. What distribution do twelve-year-old trolls use these days, if not Debian? Have we lost our key demographic? -- { WHOIS( STANL3-ARIN ); WW

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-31 10:38:54 -0500 (-0500), Kris Deugau wrote: > Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is > it in? [...] It's introduced in Wheezy and available in backports for Squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/distro-info http://bugs.debian.org/559761 -- { WHOIS( STANL3

Re: debian/* license of non-free packages

2013-01-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-01-10 17:54:28 + (+), Bart Martens wrote: > I guess you meant : It's conventional (although not entirely > legally sound) in the free software community to just assume that > the copyright of any patch submitted without any explicit > copyright and license statement is transferred (

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-08 14:52:48 +0100 (+0100), Thomas Koch wrote: [...] > http://openstack-ci.github.com/publications/ [...] I'm one of the core developers for the team which manages all that tooling and integration for the OpenStack Project, so I'm happy to discuss some of the nitty-gritty details, any go

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-08 12:44:36 -0800 (-0800), Russ Allbery wrote: > Thank you very much for working on this! We use Gerrit extensively but so > far just haven't packaged it because it was too intimidating. Agreed, if Gerrit gets packaged in Debian/Ubuntu I'll likely push OpenStack to start using DEBs of

Re: RE : Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-09 23:33:47 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] > I also need to understand how to secure Jenkins. Because > by default, it's impressive how much Jenkins is a security > hole where you can execute any command. I was tempted > to file a bug report against the package because of it.

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-21 02:15:18 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/20/2013 11:54 PM, Pascal Giard wrote: > > I would have much preferred to have this disabled by default. > > I would have preferred the picture thing to be hosted > without gravatar support (libravatar is hosted by a DD, > and you

Re: [RFC] Putting the date back into utsname::version

2013-03-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-21 18:07:26 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: > I will at least make a plea for ISO dates rather than the specific date > format in the last two examples. > > I think my favorite is the last example, with an ISO date (2023-03-21). [...] Another alternative, not represented, is epoch s

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-22 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-22 21:44:21 +0100 (+0100), Guido Günther wrote: > Gerrit's Jenkins integration is awesome. [...] OpenStack CI has some additional tools which help avoid the need to interact directly with Jenkins too much. There's Zuul (the gatekeeper) which watches the Gerrit event stream and triggers

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-22 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-22 21:08:18 + (+), Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > watches the Gerrit event stream and triggers jobs in Jenkins as a > result of matching again patterns defined a YAML configuration > file [...] Yeesh. I clearly shouldn't write E-mail when I'm rushing off to e

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-04 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-04-04 16:00:34 +0200 (+0200), Andreas Tille wrote: [...] > I can not see how Joey[1] and Daniel[3] would solve these problem when > they are not interested in upstream tarball releases any more. It's worth pointing out, packagers should not assume just because an upstream uses a VCS with p

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 15:58:02 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/07/2013 10:34 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] > > > Also, the rules in backports is that packages should be > > > already migrated to testing. The point is, if I had PPAs, I > >

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 22:55:33 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] > And I seriously wished it wasn't the case, and that upstream > understood better what the distribution requirements are. [...] Actually, in this case (OpenStack) from what I've seen the upstream community understands the distribut

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-04-07 12:00:20 +0200 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Gergely Nagy (2014-04-07 11:10:27) > > Can we have ratpoison + selected things as default DE for Debian Zurg? > > Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top? > > First, create a metapackage, and maintain it. > > Then when gett

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-04-27 20:50:38 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] > Containers would be a better environment, but you have to make > them very, very simple to set up. [...] An academic librarian friend of mine has been working with the various departments at his institution to start producing and ar

Re: Bug#777643: general: possibly, some keyboard layouts should use U+22C5 DOT OPERATOR instead of U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
Okay, not _mine_ specifically, but someone's...) Changing the established values in a keymap out from under users is foolish when the gains are nearly nonexistent and the workaround is relatively trivial for those who actually want to side with hobgoblins. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSC

Bug#777643: general: possibly, some keyboard layouts should use U+22C5 DOT OPERATOR instead of U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
-I was paraphrasing Ralph Waldo Emerson's warning against consistency for consistency's sake--it wasn't meant as a personal slight in any way whatsoever. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: git and https

2015-05-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
vernments with control over jurisdictions where the DNS root keys are managed not to MitM you by fabricating signed resolution chains down to a TLSA record with the cert they want you to see. It all depends on which tinfoil hat you find most comfortable. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
e a fairly strong degree of faith in the automatic archive signing keys... we'd definitely be following similar measures to cross-sign, secure and rotate our automatic tarball signing keys. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull ’

2015-07-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
one of its primary maintainers I don't think I would be interested in patches which attempt to turn it into a general client for various sorts of git servers (though I'm open to being convinced otherwise). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull ’

2015-07-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
wn and > packaging it for Debian seems to be difficult. [...] As someone who helps maintain a very high-traffic Gerrit server, I can confirm it's at least as un-fun as any very complex Java-based server application. And apparently packaging it is even less fun... https://bugs.debian

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull ’

2015-07-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
use both tools--and also the cut-n-paste git checkout/cherry-pick commands displayed by the Gerrit WebUI--to retrieve changes; it mostly boils down to what context I'm in as to which is more convenient at any particular point in time. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-26 Thread Jeremy Stanley
(which in many cases may also mean investing in and getting involved with assisting the OpenStack community's equivalent of the DSA to keep the necessary test infrastructure to support those older releases maintained and viable). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
meal package-based software distributions in general are being abandoned (or at best becoming implementation details in some image build automation). Pointing fingers at other distros isn't productive behavior, and certainly isn't a way to keep ours relevant. It's like fighting over the last slice of cake on a sinking ship. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Sending using my @debian.org in gmail

2018-11-30 Thread Jeremy Stanley
m except by killing much of the flexibility of traditional E-mail in the process. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Sending using my @debian.org in gmail

2018-11-30 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ered by this combination? Compromise of the cryptographic keys or primitives in use, compromise of the authorized MTAs, compromise of the sender's SMTP submission account, compromise of the sender's MUA/system, and biggest of all of course is recipients who don't validate SPF/DKIM. -- Jer

Re: Sending using my @debian.org in gmail

2018-12-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
records rejecting messages from people using their debian.org addresses in other ways (for example, yours seems to have been sent through an MTA in GPLHost for relaying to the lists.d.o MX). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Reusing source package name of long-removed, unrelated package

2019-02-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
d). More than a dozen years have passed, and this choice really hasn't presented a problem whatsoever. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
h default locale. As such, using en_DK.UTF-8 for this is as good a default as any in my opinion. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: .deb format: let's use 0.939, zstd, drop bzip2

2019-05-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
t; format for such an operation. Other formats (zip, 7z, ...) are more > suited for them. Are you talking about source packages or binary packages here? The latter use ar, not tar. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: .deb format: let's use 0.939, zstd, drop bzip2

2019-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-05-09 06:27:36 +0900 (+0900), Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 09:04:49PM +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > > Are you talking about source packages or binary packages here? The > > latter use ar, not tar. > > Binary packages use both. > > $ a

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ise between Debian and Conservancy, rather than Debian making an informed choice based on advice from Conservancy (and others). Your apparent disagreement with the result comes across as though you're implying an adversarial relationship between Debian and Conservancy which I sincerely hope does not reflect the feelings of the community as a whole. As Harry Tuttle once said, "we're all in it together." -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
[No need to Cc an extra copy, I've been a d-d subscriber since... the 1990s?] On 2019-06-08 13:00:02 -0400 (-0400), Sam Hartman wrote: > Jeremy Stanley writes: > > Your earlier message also implied the motives behind > > Conservancy's recommendations to be something o

Re: Question about Debian build infrastructure

2019-06-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ty's web of trust (and a number of our community release managers transitively attest to those public keys as well for added coverage). There's probably more I'm forgetting, but that's at least a good start at mitigating unattended use of unencrypted keys while maintaining a rob

Re: Question about Debian build infrastructure

2019-06-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-06-10 13:09:52 -0400 (-0400), Kyle Edwards wrote: > On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 16:56 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > > 6. To allow for easier manual verification of key transitions, > > always sign new keys with their predecessors when creating them. > > We haven&#x

Re: Let's consider using year based release identifiers [was: Re: getting rid of "testing"]

2019-06-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
y increasing character. [...] And yet you *wouldn't* be confused when Debian 2019.7 is released in 2021? -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: unsigned repositories

2019-07-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
that note, I just do: apt-ftparchive release . | gpg2 --clear-sign --output InRelease Works great. Would simply adding that to the EXAMPLES section of apt-ftparchive(1) suffice? It's right in line with the existing example of a compressed Packages.gz file. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc De

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ke an odd choice for a CI system, but I've seen far stranger misconfigurations over the years. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
if you want to be able to build consistent systems across disparate providers. Even if they haven't unnecessarily tampered with official distro images themselves, there's no guarantee that the Debian images they offer are for the same point releases/snapshot dates and so on. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
's because I've just not found the time to work out how to configure systemd to serve them instead (last I checked the packages for these didn't include a service file), but I've also not felt particularly compelled to as it's really convenient just to be able to put a line in /etc/inetd.conf and HUP it. Systemd having socket activation doesn't automatically make inetd obsolete. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Gitlab support in Zuul (was: salsa.debian.org partially down)

2019-08-16 Thread Jeremy Stanley
em. I'm simply glad to see increasing uptake of automated testing in Debian relying on free/libre open source software, but have no interest in viewing choice between these solutions as a competition. When any one free software solution wins, we all win. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Consensus Call: Git Packaging Round 1

2019-08-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
uot;stone age" concept from which Debian should relieve itself. [*] https://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/mainline/COPYING [**] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/blob/master/ee/LICENSE -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ng those projects directly from tagged Git repository states, that does necessarily imply performing similar steps to generate or extract this metadata for use in their packages. Others may simply wish to consume the prepared tarballs where this step has already been performed for them. -- Jeremy Stan

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
one necessarily better than the other? My ISP can spy on far fewer users than Cloudflare can, so on balance this seems like a net loss for privacy. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
irefox users. I think it comes down to whether you consider the biggest privacy risk to come from focused/local attacks (in which case the new default is a benefit) or from global dragnet trawling by "big brother" (in which case nearly everyone in the World trusting the same small numbe

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
that makes it hard to > identify activists by having the software installed). Note that by way of counterargument, Google and its services have been blocked in mainland China by the Great Firewall for nearly a decade now, so I question whether there is really such a thing as "too big to block." -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
), but I'm not the one running it. Instead I chose to move on and spend my limited time furthering software freedom in other venues where it can actually make a difference. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

2023-05-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
static compilation, but rather vendor in additional dynamically-linked libs which are unlikely to be present on the target installations. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
way. There's also basic substitutions support in the reStructuredText specification, which might be useful to reduce the amount of actual content you need to swap at build time: https://docutils.sourceforge.io/docs/ref/rst/restructuredtext.html#substitution-definitions -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: HFS/HFS+ are insecure

2023-07-22 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ripheral for some reason. I get that I'm probably an exception, but there are definitely users who simply find automounting behavior annoying, beyond any potential security concerns. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
s with a *.egg-info/ line in d/clean should both > work. (Personally, I'd use extend-diff-ignore if the egg-info is > also shipped in the source tarball and d/clean if not) Similarly, I got one for __pycache__/*.cpython-311.pyc file overwrites... is that something dh_python should clean

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-16 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2023-08-16 11:45:43 +0800 (+0800), Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, 2023-08-13 at 21:18 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > Similarly, I got one for __pycache__/*.cpython-311.pyc file > > overwrites... is that something dh_python should clean? > > Probably just send upstrea

Re: [RFC] Extending project standards to services linked through Vcs-*

2023-08-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
omment telling people where to find our contributor workflow documentation. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
mment in GNU HURD sources, should we censor it out? For that matter, if Debian was going to get into book burning over racist, homophobic and misogynistic writing, all those packaged versions of religious texts would presumably be the first things tossed onto the pyre. -- Jeremy Stanley signatur

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
tually doing the work), is another matter of course. Like a library choosing not to repurchase a particular damaged book due to lack of popularity, rather than being pressed to remove it from the shelves because someone disagrees with what's printed inside even though they're never going

Re: debian/copyright format and SPDX

2023-09-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
it seems like all too often it's in pursuit of signing on more and more donors at the expense of distracting active free/libre open source software communities from what they would normally focus on achieving. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: debian/copyright format and SPDX

2023-09-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2023-09-08 13:31:43 + (+), Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2023-09-08 12:09:09 +0530 (+0530), Hideki Yamane wrote: > [...] > > SPDX is led by the Linux foundation project, OpenChain for license > > compliance. > [...] > > Unless I'm misreading, OpenChain

Re: What licenses should be included in /usr/share/common-licenses?

2023-09-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
right files too, or is it really simply a hard-coded list of matching patterns? Regardless, this is great work, thanks for kicking off the reevaluation! -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: RFC: advise against using Proton Mail for Debian work?

2023-11-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
assert that their more recent addition of HTTPS and strong checksums mostly serves the purpose of users being able to double-check that what they downloaded is what PyPI meant to serve them (even if they can't as easily double-check that what they downloaded is what the author believes was originally uploaded). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: PyPI and OpenPGP keys (was: RFC: advise against using Proton Mail for Debian work?)

2023-11-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2023-11-16 00:20:40 +0100 (+0100), Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > In data mercoledì 15 novembre 2023 15:58:15 CET, Jeremy Stanley ha scritto: > > why do you need to put an OpenPGP key on the service > > you're using to upload Python packages (not Debian packages) to > > PyP

Re: RFC: advise against using Proton Mail for Debian work?

2023-11-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
the "trusted publisher" authentication mechanism (which only supports GitHub Actions for now), there will likely be more options in the future that also avoid use of global API tokens. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: PyPI and OpenPGP keys (was: RFC: advise against using Proton Mail for Debian work?)

2023-11-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
they have made things more complicated and more inconvenient, which often ends up pressuring users into finding less-secure workarounds, defeating the purpose of the additional measures they enacted. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: DebGPT: how LLM can help debian development? demo available.

2024-01-02 Thread Jeremy Stanley
.d.o/doc (and maybe also wiki.d.o) could be cool. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Policy: should libraries depend on services (daemons) that they can speak to?

2024-01-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
quire uninstalling the pipewire audio stack at least. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Proposal for how to deal with Go/Rust/etc security bugs (was: Re: Limited security support for Go/Rust? Re ssh3)

2024-01-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
sing popularity of the externally-developed cryptography library as a good reason to strip any remnants of cryptographic modules and bindings from the stdlib. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Transparency into private keys of Debian

2024-02-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
For a volunteer-driven community effort, we have to rely on everyone to exercise their best judgement in these sorts of matters. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Transparency into private keys of Debian

2024-02-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
claimed secure workflows seems entirely intractable. Sure you could ask every DD to fill out a questionnaire, but if you don't trust them to all follow documented practices then why would you trust them to accurately answer survey questions either? -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-03-30 Thread Jeremy Stanley
a proprietary service who discovered a saboteur in their ranks. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-04-02 Thread Jeremy Stanley
but it's merely your opinion that sdists are *not* "upstream-created source tarballs" (an opinion *not* shared by everyone). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-04-02 Thread Jeremy Stanley
messages on the current branch since the most recent tag if its SemVer-based version-guessing kicks in (typically if the current commit isn't tagged and the version string hasn't been overridden with an envvar). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-04 Thread Jeremy Stanley
onal information into our source archives. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: New supply-chain security tool: backseat-signed

2024-04-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
eam maintainers understand that downstream distributions want to include source code and can't necessarily include full copies of our Git repositories, so we create and cryptographically sign source code tarballs with all that extracted/assembled metadata in the form of "generated" files, and present those as our primary source distributions. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

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