Bug#647356: ITP: couriergrey -- Mail filter interface of Courier-MTA to support greylisting

2011-11-02 Thread Marco Balmer
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Marco Balmer * Package name: couriergrey Version : 0.2.2 Upstream Author : Matthias Wimmer * URL : http://couriergrey.com http://mentors.debian.net/package/couriergrey * License : GPL-3 Programming

Re: Bug#645656: network-manager in Gnome

2011-11-02 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:23:05 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: > Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > And I believe that NM should not be something gnome should depend on as > > there are various other ways to configure your network. Imho it should > > Recommend network-manage | wicd-gtk | similar-tools-if-they-exis

Bug#647390: ITP: pybik -- 3D Rubik's cube game

2011-11-02 Thread B. Clausius
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "B. Clausius" * Package name: pybik Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : B. Clausius * URL : https://launchpad.net/pybik * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Python Description : 3D Rubik's cube game Pybik is an inte

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Minified files and source code requirement"): > > I'd like to poke a little bit at the assumption that these two things are > > the same and that Debian necessarily uses the GPL term as our definition > > of source. > > I thi

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 10/27/2011 03:03 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 07:08:14PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : >> >> But with more liberal licenses, we should certainly accept that the >> minified files are their own sources much like we accept any other blob of >> data under a free license. >

Friendly reminder to NMUers

2011-11-02 Thread Jakub Wilk
Dear NMUers, Please keed in mind that: 1) Uploading to DELAYED/0 doesn't exempt you from the obligation to post NMU diff to the BTS. 2) It's not OK to upload a fix both a weeks-old RC bug and another one that has just popped up to DELAYED/0. Such upload should normally go to DELAYED/5 at le

Bug#647416: ITP: libbio-chado-schema-perl -- object-relational mapping layer for use with the GMOD Chado database schema

2011-11-02 Thread Olivier Sallou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Olivier Sallou * Package name: libbio-chado-schema-perl Version : 0.09010 Upstream Author : Robert Bruels * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~rbuels/Bio-Chado-Schema/lib/Bio/Chado/Schema.pm * License : Artistic or GPL-1+

Re: seeking comaintainer for debmirror

2011-11-02 Thread shero azura
2011/11/2 Joey Hess : > Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'd like to help, but I may take a while to find time for it... > > I would be glad to have you, but there's still room for people with more > time than us.. > > -- > see shy jo > is there any special condition to help?...i'd love to help..:) --

Bug#647417: ITP: libdbix-class-tree-nestedset-perl -- Manage trees of data using the nested set model

2011-11-02 Thread Olivier Sallou
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Olivier Sallou * Package name: libdbix-class-tree-nestedset-perl Version : 0.10 Upstream Author : Ian Docherty * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~icydee/DBIx-Class-Tree-NestedSet-0.10/ * License : Artistic or GPL-1+ Pro

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > One thing we and our users need to be able to do is to modify the code > we distribute and still continue to take other changes from upstream. > So any format that is unnecessarily hard to merge (see below for more > discussion of this) is not suitable. I think it's importa

directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Do we have any policy/recommendation forbidding/disadvising having subdirectories under /usr/bin? Conventionally, for packages which ship bulk of command line tools with possible naming conflicts we seems to place them under /usr/lib/PACKAGE (often regardless them being arch-dep or not) I am pac

Re: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-11-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 06:48:44PM +0100, Sébastien Riccio wrote: [...] > I don't understand everything that has been said about this topic, > I'll ask a simple question: > are the firmwares going to be included in the firmware-bnx2x package > anytime soon or is > there a way to build them and add

Re: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-11-02 Thread Sébastien Riccio
On 31.10.2011 14:31, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 11:25 +0200, Dmitry Kravkov wrote: On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 08:06 -0700, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 10:49 +0100, Sébastien Riccio wrote: On 30.10.2011 10:42, Niels Thykier wrote: Our upstream for (most of) firmware-n

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 02, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Do we have any policy/recommendation forbidding/disadvising having > subdirectories under /usr/bin? We have the FHS, which says that you do not do this. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

RE: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-11-02 Thread Dmitry Kravkov
> -Original Message- > From: Sébastien Riccio [mailto:s...@swisscenter.com] > > > > David, we need to either keep on importing changes from the linux tree > > or get rid of the firmware directory altogether. I notice that one new > > driver has even added a blob there recently. > > > > Ben

Re: Debian unstable/expirental missing some bnx2 firmwares

2011-11-02 Thread Sébastien Riccio
I uploaded a new version today which includes the versions requested by the bnx2x driver in Linux 3.0 and 3.1. Sorting out the mess upstream will take a little longer... Ben. Hi ben, ok thanks for the info! Sébastien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 01:31:06PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Do we have any policy/recommendation forbidding/disadvising having > subdirectories under /usr/bin? > Conventionally, for packages which ship bulk of command line tools with > possible naming conflicts we seems to place them un

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Nov 02, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > > Do we have any policy/recommendation forbidding/disadvising having > > subdirectories under /usr/bin? > We have the FHS, which says that you do not do this. Where? Section 4.5. /usr/bin Most User Commands[1] specfically allows dir

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Mike O'Connor
> Hi, > > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > > http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html > > Hum, it looks like some ftpmaster added a new entry in the FAQ (since it's > dated October 2011). Probably Mike O'Connor since he replied to #646729 > and re-raised its severity. > > Mike,

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Thank you John for extending my argument with adequate references which I have swallowed while composing my question email. And if we are after reading FHS /usr/lib section: /usr/lib includes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that are not intended to be executed directly by

Bug#647448: ITP: qasmixer-l10n -- Localization package for QasMixer

2011-11-02 Thread Sebastian
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian * Package name: qasmixer-l10n Version : 0.15.0 Upstream Author : Sebastian Holtermann * URL : http://xwmw.org/qasmixer * License : GPL-3 Programming Lang: C++ Description : Localization package for QasM

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Thank you Steve ! With all due respect -- I disagree with your lines of reasoning/support. > The per-package subdir should be created instead under > /usr/lib, and /usr/bin/cmtk can dispatch subcommands over there. as I and John argued, FHS doesn't mandate them to be under /usr/lib and actually

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Jonathan Nieder
Russ Allbery wrote: > I think a better line is whether the source tarball includes all the > pieces required for someone with appropriate skills to make modifications > to the software with reasonable ease. The advantage of that, as opposed > to trying to weigh whether upstream has additional adv

Bug#647450: ITP: qasconfig-l10n -- Localization package for QasConfig

2011-11-02 Thread Sebastian
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian * Package name: qasconfig-l10n Version : 0.3.0 Upstream Author : Sebastian Holtermann * URL : http://xwmw.org/qasconfig * License : GPL-3 Programming Lang: C++ Description : Localization package for Qas

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Nieder writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> I think a better line is whether the source tarball includes all the >> pieces required for someone with appropriate skills to make >> modifications to the software with reasonable ease. The advantage of >> that, as opposed to trying to weigh whet

Re: Bug#645656: network-manager in Gnome

2011-11-02 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:54:14 +0100, Florian Reitmeir wrote: >i believe a way of installing network-manager, but disabling it >completly would be enough for many people. I would be misleading if a software is installed, but disabled. Leads debugging people into the wrong direction. Greetings Marc

Re: Bug#645656: network-manager in Gnome

2011-11-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Florian Reitmeir Hi, | i believe a way of installing network-manager, but disabling it | completly would be enough for many people. like update-rc.d disable network-manager or dpkg-divert --rename --local /usr/sbin/NetworkManager or just using equivs? Cheers, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is use

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:43:08PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Thank you John for extending my argument with adequate references which > I have swallowed while composing my question email. > > And if we are after reading FHS /usr/lib section: > > /usr/lib includes object files, librar

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:08:37 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > I don't agree that minified files are a violation of DFSG #2. If the > > > library is under the GPL then it would be a problem becaus

Re: Minified files and source code requirement

2011-11-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011, Mike O'Connor wrote: > > > What is the preferred form for modification for a work (aka source) is > > > highly context-dependent. > > > > I share entirely the opinion of Russ who replied to this specific point. > > Am I misreading you? or are you making an argument here that

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Altogether, according to FHS /usr/lib/PKG is actually not preferable > > location for them since indeed it is for solely internal use (and it is > > now used to keep shared libraries) > This is just nitpicking over the precise wording used. really? s

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:53:04PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Thank you Steve ! > With all due respect -- I disagree with your lines of > reasoning/support. > > The per-package subdir should be created instead under > > /usr/lib, and /usr/bin/cmtk can dispatch subcommands over there. > a

Bug#647461: ITP: knot -- authoritative domain name server

2011-11-02 Thread Ondřej Surý
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Ondřej Surý" * Package name: knot Version : 0.8.0 Upstream Author : CZ.NIC Labs * URL : http://www.knot-dns.cz/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : authoritative domain name server Knot DNS is a f

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
thanks once again > Your understanding is misguided. If you intend it to be a user interface, > it belongs on the PATH. If you don't, it belongs under /usr/lib. I hear you regarding that ideally they should be on the PATH... but -- nothing in FHS talks about PATH. thoughts aloud: science c

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Karl Goetz
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:31:06 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Do we have any policy/recommendation forbidding/disadvising having > subdirectories under /usr/bin? [...] > I have checked FHS which only says: > "The following directories, or symbolic links to directories, must be > in /usr/bin...

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Karl Goetz
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:41:20 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > thanks once again > > > Your understanding is misguided. If you intend it to be a user > > interface, it belongs on the PATH. If you don't, it belongs > > under /usr/lib. > > I hear you regarding that ideally they should be on the

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > really? since when it is nitpicking to quote FHS verbatim? once > again: > > "The following directories, or symbolic links to directories, must be in > /usr/bin, if the corresponding subsystem is installed: > > Directory Description >

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Karl Goetz (03/11/2011): > I don't have a link at the moment (because linuxfoundation > bugzilla/bzr/etc is still MIA), but I'm pretty sure its been clarified > forbidding subdirs in any of the (s)bin directories for FHS 3.0 (and > the exceptions you cite have also been removed). > If/when all the

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Karl Goetz wrote: > Not sure what you're trying to suggest here? The FHS *is* clear on what > goes in /usr/games: > games Games and educational binaries (optional) I wasn't really suggesting anything I guess... just objected suggested PATH-driven interpretation of what go

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
thanks Cyril -- that indeed clarifies it (finally)! it is all clear now that users would need to invoke them from under /usr/lib/ Cheers, P.S. so no need for me to repost it to fhs-discuss now I guess ;) On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > In the meanwhile, posted by Jeff Licquia[2]:

Re: Bug#645656: network-manager in Gnome

2011-11-02 Thread Florian Reitmeir
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: ]] Florian Reitmeir | i believe a way of installing network-manager, but disabling it | completly would be enough for many people. like update-rc.d disable network-manager or dpkg-divert --rename --local /usr/sbin/NetworkManager or just using equivs? sure, it also woul

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Karl Goetz
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:11:11 -0400 Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > On Thu, 03 Nov 2011, Karl Goetz wrote: > > Not sure what you're trying to suggest here? The FHS *is* clear on > > what goes in /usr/games: > > games Games and educational binaries (optional) > > I wasn't really suggesting anyth

Re: Possible mass bug filling for package depending on "menu".

2011-11-02 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 01:14:59PM +0100, Frank lin Piat wrote: > > On Sun 30/10/11 11:31 , Daniel Baumann wrote:: > > > On 10/29/2011 08:49 PM, Frank lin Piat wrote: > >> I intend to submit a mass bug filling to ask packages maintainer to drop or > >> downgrade their dependency on "menu": > > > >

Re: directory under /usr/bin -- Ok or not?

2011-11-02 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 03.11.2011 00:15, schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko: > it is all clear now that users would need to invoke them from under > /usr/lib/ If at all, the binaries would need to be placed into /usr/lib/. But as Steve already said, if those binaries are part of the interface and supposed to be called by th