Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:01:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >If you do not consider this user interface good enough for your uses >then feel free to implement the debconf interface described in #369479. Maintaining _YOUR_ packages is _YOUR_ fscking job. Writing "send a patch" to [E

Re: package ownership in Debian (was: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?)

2006-07-29 Thread George Danchev
On Friday 28 July 2006 22:06, Katrina Jackson wrote: > Okay here is another honest question: Do you really honestly think not > having co-maintainers for base packages is ever a good idea? What if > someone is busy? You don't really feel safe noticing your base packages > aren't being co-main

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 29 July 2006 00:42, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jul 28, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "innovation" is the industy's current buzzword. Doing things well even > > if someone else had a similar idea before will outlive it. > > We used to take pride in inventing stuff like update-al

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > When everyone is responsible for something, no one is > responsible. If everyone is motivated to work on the distribution and fix bugs in the distribution, it doesn't change the global amount of work that we can produce in fixing bugs.

Bug#380308: ITP: libsvm-ruby -- Ruby binding to the LibSVM pattern recognition using SVM library

2006-07-29 Thread Rudi Cilibrasi
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Rudi Cilibrasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libsvm-ruby Version : 2.8.2 Upstream Author : Rudi Cilibrasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://rubysvm.cilibrar.com/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++,Ruby Descr

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 04:26:33AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > (Format: X-Vcs-${VCS}: ${URL}) > X-Vcs-Bzr: http://people.debian.org/~adeodato/code/packages/taglib > > Another, perhaps more parseable format, would be: > > X-VCS-Url: ${VCS}:${URL} > X-Vcs-Url: bzr:http://people.debian.org

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ text reordered during quoting ] On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:10:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > I agree. We should do it like the BSDs: a tree that any developer > > can commit to, for any package. > > How would you handle dilution of responsibility? > > When everyone is responsible for

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * George Danchev [Sat, Jul 29 2006, 10:23:58AM]: > On Saturday 29 July 2006 00:42, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Jul 28, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "innovation" is the industy's current buzzword. Doing things well even > > > if someone else had a similar idea before will outl

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 29 July 2006 11:17, Eduard Bloch wrote: --cut-- > > > The innovation in udev (with HAL, new kernel features and other stuff) > > > is allowing implementing new features which used to not be possible or > > > required very complex hacks. > > > There is a middle ground between useless and

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Saturday 29 July 2006 08:43, Christian Perrier wrote: > And get a very nice random theme for gdm, making the system different > each time it's booted up. Very user friendly. I agree with Christian. Quite some people will be confused by this, and it's completly unnecessary to have a random

Bug#380328: ITP: pdfcrack -- PDF files password cracker

2006-07-29 Thread Nacho Barrientos Arias
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Nacho Barrientos Arias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: pdfcrack Version : 0.7 Upstream Author : Henning Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcrack * License : GPL Programming Lang: C

virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
Should `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11' be added to the list of virtual package names? I've discovered that the virtual package `pinentry' is provided by pinentry-curses, pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-qt, and the virtual package `pinentry-x11' is provided by pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk2 and

Re: Bug#380328: ITP: pdfcrack -- PDF files password cracker

2006-07-29 Thread Nacho Barrientos Arias
Hi, Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:02:37 +0200 Nacho Barrientos Arias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Nacho Barrientos Arias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: pdfcrack > Version : 0.7 > Upstream Author : Henning Noren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Tatsuya Kinoshita 2006-07-29 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Should `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11' be added to the list of > virtual package names? > > I've discovered that the virtual package `pinentry' is provided by > pinentry-curses, pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk2 and pinentry-qt, and > the virtual pack

Re: Bug#380328: ITP: pdfcrack -- PDF files password cracker

2006-07-29 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Nacho Barrientos Arias 2006-07-29 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What could be the best section for this package? 'admin' like > "john" (pdfcrack has got a similar behaviour) or 'utils'? Cracking pdfs is not something an admin would usually do. Christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.df7cb.de/

Re: Bug#380328: ITP: pdfcrack -- PDF files password cracker

2006-07-29 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 13:16 +0200, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: > > What could be the best section for this package? 'admin' like > "john" (pdfcrack has got a similar behaviour) or 'utils'? "john" is in admin because it's intended to be run by the administrator to check if any of the users have

Re: Bug#380328: ITP: pdfcrack -- PDF files password cracker

2006-07-29 Thread Nacho Barrientos Arias
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:18:49 +0200 Christoph Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cracking pdfs is not something an admin would usually do. > > Christoph Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "john" is in admin because it's intended to be run by the administrator > to check if any of the

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
On July 29, 2006 at 1:18PM +0200, myon (at debian.org) wrote: > > Should `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11' be added to the list of > > virtual package names? > Policy: 3.6. Virtual packages > > All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and > arrange to create new ones

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:23:21 +0100 Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > Why does Ubuntu have to have > >all the great ideas for their users? One example: They have a > > pop up telling you updates are ready. Now maybe you now have this > > feature, > >Debian does have this

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:55:26 +0200 Fabio Tranchitella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > If you need to apply a patch to one of my packages for a > non-critical bug in order to complete an integration work, please send > me the patch by BTS and if I do not reply in a few days feel free to > uploa

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10730 March 1977, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > At the moment, should `pinentry' be added to the list of virtual > package names? If so, I'll file a wishlist bug against debian-policy. Nope. If it can work as the pinentry thing then provide it. Thats it for you. -- bye Joerg I read the DUMP an

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Tatsuya Kinoshita
On July 29, 2006 at 4:02PM +0200, joerg (at debian.org) wrote: > > At the moment, should `pinentry' be added to the list of virtual > > package names? If so, I'll file a wishlist bug against debian-policy. > > Nope. If it can work as the pinentry thing then provide it. Thats it for you. Hmm, I h

Re: virtual packages `pinentry' and `pinentry-x11'

2006-07-29 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10730 March 1977, Tatsuya Kinoshita wrote: > | All packages should use virtual package names where appropriate, and > | arrange to create new ones if necessary. They should not use virtual > | package names (except privately, amongst a cooperating group of > | packages) unl

Bug#380366: ITP: python-jinja -- simple pythonic template language

2006-07-29 Thread Piotr Ozarowski
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Piotr Ozarowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: python-jinja Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Armin Ronacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://wsgiarea.pocoo.org/jinja/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Desc

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:27:34 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [ text reordered during quoting ] > On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 11:10:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > I agree. We should do it like the BSDs: a tree that any >> > developer can commit to, for any package. >>

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:29:49 +0200, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Jul 28, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> When everyone is responsible for something, no one is responsible. > If everyone is motivated to work on the distribution and fix bugs > in the distribution, it doesn't

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 08:43:28AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > We do, see my reply for Matthew and test if you want. You can install > > the 'desktop' and 'gnome-desktop' task in a sid or testing system > > using aptitude too. > > And get a very nice random theme for gdm, making the system

Re: Two versions of pan in etch?

2006-07-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Søren Boll Overgaard wrote: > Hello, > > Pan[0] is currently undergoing a major rewrite, and being the > maintainer, I am currently considering what version of pan to > include in etch. This mail[1] from one of the pan mailing lists > sums up the s

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0300, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official status. What does this mean? That you're out of date on what's going on and trying to mak

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 29 July 2006 18:51, Manoj Srivastava wrote: -cut-- > It could go either way, of course, but I was referring to the > difference between due diligence of a group, as opposed to an > individual; potentially, a team is only as strong as the weakest > link. `weakest link' is no

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:23:33 -0500, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 05:44:38PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: >> > If Debian had slightly less of a culture of "Keep your hands off >> > my package", I'd do it here

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-29 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Thu, 2006-07-27 at 18:28 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: [breaking circular dependencies] > Dpkg does it the way policy says it should do it and even slightly > better since it checks for postinst files. That's unsurprising, given that the relevant sections of policy and dpkg were written by

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:27:57 +0300, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Saturday 29 July 2006 18:51, Manoj Srivastava wrote: -cut-- >> It could go either way, of course, but I was referring to the >> difference between due diligence of a group, as opposed to an >> individual; potentiall

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:27:26 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0300, Gustavo Franco >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > * Promote NMU LowThreshold wiki list giving it some official >> > st

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 29 July 2006 21:00, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:27:57 +0300, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Saturday 29 July 2006 18:51, Manoj Srivastava wrote: -cut-- > > > >> It could go either way, of course, but I was referring to the > >> difference between du

Bug#380385: ITP: rest2web -- web site builder using ReST as basic content format

2006-07-29 Thread martin f krafft
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: rest2web Version : 0.4.0~alpha Upstream Author : Michael Foord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/rest2web/ * License : BSD Programming Lang

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:27:26 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:38:52 -0300, Gustavo Franco >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > * Promote NMU

Bug#380388: ITP: toga2 -- computer chess engine, calculates chess moves

2006-07-29 Thread Oliver Korff
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Oliver Korff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: toga2 Version : 1.2.1.1 Upstream Author : Thomas Gaksch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.uciengines.de/UCI-Engines/TogaII/togaii.html * License : GPL Programming La

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sat, Jul 29, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Nice state of Utopia. Bu of course, everyone is not uniformly > motivated, and people's motivation is not static, it changes over > time, real life has a trendency to sometimes intrude, --- so the > reality is far from everyone is all equal

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:35:28 +0300, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Saturday 29 July 2006 21:00, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:27:57 +0300, George Danchev >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > On Saturday 29 July 2006 18:51, Manoj Srivastava wrote: -cut-- >> > >> >>

Re: Bug#380388: ITP: toga2 -- computer chess engine, calculates chess moves

2006-07-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Oliver Korff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Description : computer chess engine, calculates chess moves We seem to have several such engines already. Could the description please say something that distinguishes this from the other ones? > This is one of the strongest chess programs on the

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:00:21 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:27:26 +, Gustavo Franco >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > I wrote that it could be integrated with PTS, somebody else > suggested

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:00:21 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:27:26 +, Gustavo Franco >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > I wrote that it c

Re: Bug#380388: ITP: toga2 -- computer chess engine, calculates chess moves

2006-07-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
Oliver Korff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Advancement of the strong chess engine fruit, it is > even stronger, and will be further developed. Please work on the phrasing. It doesn't make much sense as written. Perhaps "Advanced chess engine under active development."? -- Ben Pfaff email: [

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:20:35 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I'm not here for push "new upstream releases" into your packages, > for example. We're talking about bug fixing and better integration, > eg: better hardware support, as Anthony pointed out. Even then, there

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:31:28 +0200, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Nice state of Utopia. Bu of course, everyone is not uniformly >> motivated, and people's motivation is not static, it changes over >> time, real life has a trendency to som

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 7/29/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:20:35 +, Gustavo Franco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I'm not here for push "new upstream releases" into your packages, > for example. We're talking about bug fixing and better integration, > eg: better hardware sup

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Erast Benson wrote: > > I do not need to make the build system > available under GPL (GPL §3 requires me to make it available but does > not mention a license) GPL 3(a) requires the "complete corresponding source code [be] distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above". GPL 3 defines

Re: compromise of gluck.debian.org, lock down of other debian.org machines

2006-07-29 Thread Brian May
Hello, What is the situation with gluck? I am cut off from debian-devel, while my mail is accumulating on gluck, as I can't log in with my DSA key. I was under the impression from the security announcement that DSA logins should still be working. Unfortunately, the ssh connections hang immediat

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-29 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Bastian Venthur wrote: > What is the preferred solution for this kind of problem? > > I've heard rumors that packages have a Description: field which could probably contain a note along the lines of: WordPress requires access to a local or remote MySQL server. If you wish to run the s

new host key?: Re: compromise of gluck.debian.org, lock down of other debian.org machines

2006-07-29 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, Are you sure it is Debian gluck issue? I can connect with SSH to it now with minor problem. On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 11:28:36AM +1000, Brian May wrote: ... > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY > debug1: Host 'gluck.debian.org' is known and matches the RSA host key. > debug1: Found ke

Re: new host key?: Re: compromise of gluck.debian.org, lock down of other debian.org machines

2006-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > PS: It would have been nicer if old hosk identification was backuped and > used in new system. Well, not if the system had a root compromise. The attacker must be assumed to have the private host key, which means that reusing the same key would allow them

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le jeudi 27 juillet 2006 à 16:38 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit : >> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > it seems that guile 1.6.8 is buggy. people reported to have build >> > lilypond with guile 1.6.7 and/or guile-1.8 correctl

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is the stupidiest thing you ever did, because everyone had to look > at your handling of your packages. Everybody saw your gcc-4.1 RC with > a patch which you're blocking until the new upstream release. > Everybody saw the awful packaging mistake

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, and we could start by really enforcing co-maintainership. Make it 100% > mandatory for all essential, required and base packages at first. There are many ways of working together with people, and co-maintainership works well for some

Translated packages descriptions progress

2006-07-29 Thread Michael Vogt
Dear Friends, the current version of apt in debian/experimental has support for translated package descriptions and we have a the current translations available for sid on the mirrors (currently not on ftp.debian.org itself because of the mirror split I suspect). This means that everyone with no