David Wheeler is a self-professed Linux newbie, attempting to install Redhat for the first time. Singling him out--however gently--seems to me a bigger breach of etiquette than sending email in html form. Not the kind of welcome one would hope to get from an open-source community.
If you use a good old Linux mailer like mutt and w3m to process html mail and procmail to sort mailing lists instead of using a digest--it all comes out looking like vanilla text. Since I switched to mutt, I no longer seethe with irritation over html mail. Far easier to deal with it on your end (you can) than to pursuade the great big ever-expanding world to follow precise email etiquette (they won't). Don't mean to single you out but do want to present a kinder, gentler welcome to David Wheeler. If the Linux community has a flaw, it is nitpickiness and intolerance of honest mistakes, especially from beginners. On (10/23/02 16:25), mark wrote: > Folks, > > I'll bring it up again. *Please* consider that, esp. in the Unix/Linux > world there are a *whole* lot less people who want html mail. We don't *care* > what nifty font you're writing in, we don't *care* about your > wowser-stationary/wallpaper. > > On top of that, this is a mailing list. A lot of us get it as a digest, and > we're getting it as *email*. All we care about is content. If we get html > mail, many of us, esp. the older hands, are more likely to just ignore it, > rather than wade through it. > > Just so y'all have a clue what I'm talking about, I took a post from the > current digest (and I am *not* picking on you, Dave Wheeler, it's just that > your post was what was in front of me when I got irritated), and I've mangled > the html by globally replacing all the < with a ^. Have a look folks, and see > what the rest of us see. > > mark > > "Oh, would the gift 'E gie us > To see ourse'les as others see us" > - Robert Burns, 18th cent. poet > > ^html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" > xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40";> > > ^head> > ^META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> > > > ^meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document> > ^meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10"> > ^meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10"> > ^link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@;01C27AD8.5CDE91D0"> > ^!--[if gte mso 9]>^xml> > ^o:OfficeDocumentSettings> > ^o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> > ^/o:OfficeDocumentSettings> > ^/xml>^![endif]-->^!--[if gte mso 9]>^xml> > ^w:WordDocument> > ^w:Zoom>130^/w:Zoom> > ^w:GrammarState>Clean^/w:GrammarState> > ^w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail^/w:DocumentKind> > ^w:EnvelopeVis/> > ^w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4^/w:BrowserLevel> > ^/w:WordDocument> > ^/xml>^![endif]--> > ^style> > ^!-- > /* Font Definitions */ > @font-face > {font-family:Tahoma; > panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; > mso-font-charset:0; > mso-generic-font-family:swiss; > mso-font-pitch:variable; > mso-font-signature:1627421319 -2147483648 8 0 66047 0;} > /* Style Definitions */ > p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal > {mso-style-parent:""; > margin:0cm; > margin-bottom:.0001pt; > mso-pagination:widow-orphan; > font-size:12.0pt; > font-family:"Times New Roman"; > mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; > mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;} > a:link, span.MsoHyperlink > {color:blue; > text-decoration:underline; > text-underline:single;} > a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:purple; > text-decoration:underline; > text-underline:single;} > span.EmailStyle17 > {mso-style-type:personal-compose; > mso-style-noshow:yes; > mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; > mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Arial; > mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; > mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; > mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; > color:windowtext;} > span.GramE > {mso-style-name:""; > mso-gram-e:yes;} > @page Section1 > {size:595.3pt 841.9pt; > margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; > mso-header-margin:35.4pt; > mso-footer-margin:35.4pt; > mso-paper-source:0;} > div.Section1 > {page:Section1;} > ^/style> > ^!--[if gte mso 10]> > ^style> > /* Style Definitions */ > table.MsoNormalTable > {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; > mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; > mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; > mso-style-noshow:yes; > mso-style-parent:""; > mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; > mso-para-margin:0cm; > mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; > mso-pagination:widow-orphan; > font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:"Times New Roman";} > ^/style> > ^![endif]--> > ^/head> > > ^body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:36.0pt'> > > ^div class=Section1> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Hi There^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>My name is Dave Wheeler and I am a Linux > newbie.^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I would really appreciate some help and guidance > on installing > redhat.^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I currently have a 60bg ^span > class=GramE>hdd,^/span> > I am running windows xp pro.^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I have just downloaded redhat version 8.0 and have > been told that I can install redhat over the top and it will keep my xp data > and I could use “grub” to choose what os I boot > to.^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I have used partition magic to create an unused > partition (unformatted) of ^span > class=GramE>15gb^/span>^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I have booted with the redhat disk 1 in the cd > drive, it comes up and I start the process…… this is where I got > scared as I opted to remove all existing Linux partitions (didn’t have > any!) and went on, it found the Linux partition and a dos one???^span > style='mso-spacerun:yes'> ^/span>Is the dos one my xp? ^span > class=GramE>As > there was no mention of it.^/span> ^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I panicked and > cancelled!^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I thought that it would have recognised the xp as > an > ntfs partition?^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>I would really appreciate some help! As you ca > probably ^span class=GramE>tell^/span> I really don’t know what I am > talking about when it comes to linux.^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>!!^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>^o:p> ^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thanks a lot^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^p class=MsoNormal>^font size=2 face=Tahoma>^span lang=EN-GB style='font-size: > 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Dave wheeler^o:p>^/o:p>^/span>^/font>^/p> > > ^/div> > > ^/body> > > ^/html> > -- Daniel Goldin 323.225.1926 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@;redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
