On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 11:49, Beast wrote:

> what productivity? we assume that user are already familiar with their
> apps (office suite, email, and oracle).
> most interface of these apps are not very different on these different platform, so
> user should be "familiar" shortly.
> 
> I assume productivity = perfomance (or apps response).

Productivity = How much work an employee gets done with her system. That
work earns the company money. So it is a vital thing for them.

So, if you have the same apps on both platforms but you notice Linux
with Gnome for example performing say 25 % more worse than Windows
making the work amount of all employees decrease that much. If that is
the case, then the company will loose a lot of money (even if they save
some on the license costs).

If the performance is the same or better with linux and lightweight wm
(it is as easy to launch Oracle client from a menu in Blackbox that it
is in Gnome, so I do not see an issue here?), then productivity does not
suffer and the company saves the license fees. 

When talking about thousands workstations (like in Munich government
where they are converting over 10 000 workstations to Linux, if I
remember correctly) this productivity issue should be very heavily
researched: Will converting to Linux really save money? How differs the
productivity of a new employee (who has never used the company's old
systems) versus of an old employee? How much education is needed for
employees to learn the usage of the new system and how much will it
cost?


> Thanks for your info, I'll try to search on these alternative WM.
> But even if i did not install gnome/nautilus, then when i have to run
> evolution, isn't it require gnome-lib also?

Yes. You'll have to have gnome *installed* but you do not have to *run*
it. So it takes harddisk space but does not eat your CPU/memory which is
crucial with old hardware.


> On some secretary which did not use oracle, their system is only
> p60/100 with 32-64MB RAM runs w98/office/outlook and it still faster
> than p400/128 run gnome.

Installing RH9 on a p60 is like you would be installing Windows 2000
Server on them. And you wouldn't do that, or would you?

So in your case I'd make the old computers X clients instead of running
X server, Gnome and other heavy applications. 

Instead of 50 workstations under heavy load have 50 clients getting
their X sessions from a server having good hardware and lots of memory.
Makes system administration a lot easier too. You could even make the X
clients diskless. 

Linux's greatest advantage are it's multiuser and networking
capabilities -- use them!

Regards,
Peter


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