On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:58:14PM -0600, Daryl Hunt wrote:
Hi Daryl - please fix your email client:  use one line for the
attribution, not four. (I know, MS-Outlook is a pain isn't it?)
> 
> From: "Jeff Kinz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > John is quite correct here.  AOl and many other large ISP's have
> > arbitrarily cut off millions of IP addresses which they have no evidence
> > are the source of SPAM simply because some of those IP's are dynamically
> > assigned. And some of those are sources of SPAM.
> 
> I guess I do it for money also. Yes, I do it to keep the illegal spammers
> from hijacking my Email server to send out the junk I get in my inbox.  Many

You have misunderstood the problem.  This one below was your fault for leaving
your email server open to relay for the entire world.   Should those of
us who are able to keep from relaying email for the worlds spammers be
punished because you messed up ?

> spammers use their Dynamic IPs to transmit that trash.  A simple reverse DNS
> Lookup setting and plugging the relay to anyone outside the database cures
> the problem.  You will not that RH has a very bad problem when you plug the
> holes, you just plugged any hopes of any outside relay.  Not a good thing.

Its just sendmail working the way it was designed.  A Good Thing. (TM)
You want an outside relay? It can be done but you have to specify
who/what is allowed to do it so YOU don't enable spammers to relay thru
you.  Get the bat book from O'Reilly. 

> 
> This has nothing to do with using a Dynamic number at all.  If you have your
> MX record pointed to your static IP or even your dynamic IP, AOL will pass
> the mail test.  

I do and it doesn't.  the Big ISP's are not doing this only on mx
record.  They have specific ranges of IP # they will not accept email
from even if there is an mx record for that ip.

Why?
I could create an mx record for many dynamic IP's I don't own.  So
could you.


> the MX record then it will bounce.  The next time you open your email and
> recieve spam, think about it.  
I don't get spam.  I use the "MIGHTY BOGOFILTER"  FAST, ADAPTIVE, NOT
SUSCEPTIBLE TO FALSE BLACK-LISTINGS!"

Try it - its excellent.
FAQ: http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/bogofilter-faq.html

> That is how most spam is sent through
> unprotected Servers that have the MX record and the IP properly linked.
WOW, No kidding, Really?  Its only been true since the beginning of
SMTP use on the internet.  In the early days all SMTP servers were wide
open relays, very one of 'em.  Welcome to the internet.
> 
> I completely disagree with the rest of your post when I had one of my email
> server unprotected for about an hour and some spammer from China attempted
> to send over 30k message through it.  All spam and all of them were
> advertising US Companies.

Just goes to show, Some folks should only have email clients. :-)



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