Thanks to all for the excellent feedback. Erin Hodgess, PhD mailto: erinm.hodg...@gmail.com
On Tue, Dec 31, 2024 at 1:41 PM Ebert,Timothy Aaron <teb...@ufl.edu> wrote: > Fair enough. You do not put citations in the abstract or summary. The > level of detail in the methods can be modified by including a link to a > repository or by including supplemental material, or appendix, or foot > notes, or something equivalent. If all programs/packages are used with > system defaults the version number is sufficient. If the packages are > customized and such customization materially alters the results, then that > information should be included in some form. If only the outcome matters, > then one is unlikely to read past the abstract. > Write to your audience. The approach to a peer reviewed scientific > publication will be different from a 2-minute presentation to the board of > directors. If there are protocols mandating that the research is > reproducible, then you will need enough detail in the methods that someone > can reproduce it (or hope that nobody ever checks). Some places use > different definitions for reproducible versus replicable, but here one > option: > https://www.amstat.org/asa/files/pdfs/POL-ReproducibleResearchRecommendations.pdf > . > > The rules for citations depend on your final goal and how others may use > your results. The expectations of your peers and professionalism should > guide your choices. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Newmiller <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 11:23 PM > To: Ebert,Timothy Aaron <teb...@ufl.edu>; r-help@r-project.org; Erin > Hodgess <erinm.hodg...@gmail.com> > Subject: RE: [R] Citation for stock price data from Quantmod > > [External Email] > > The _point_ is to explain the story of the research so people can compare > easily with other work. A story interrupted by tedious details is not very > comprehensible. And I _did_ recommend providing a link to a code repository > and using reproducible coding tools. > > On December 30, 2024 7:35:37 PM PST, "Ebert,Timothy Aaron" <teb...@ufl.edu> > wrote: > >Maybe I misunderstand, but if the results cannot be reproduced, what is > the point? I did some secret stuff (after talking to my friend the witch > doctor) and here are my results. Some analyses preclude exact reproduction, > but then researchers should rerun the analysis several times to provide a > range or field of possible/probable results. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jeff Newmiller <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> > >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 7:52 PM > >To: r-help@r-project.org; Ebert,Timothy Aaron <teb...@ufl.edu>; Erin > >Hodgess <erinm.hodg...@gmail.com>; r-help@r-project.org > >Subject: Re: [R] Citation for stock price data from Quantmod > > > >[External Email] > > > >While asking if you should document what you did and give credit where > due seems... unnecessary (of course you should) ... I believe we are beyond > the point where a paper alone can allow me to reproduce most relevant > published analyses. That is, including a link to a reproducible code > repository with a list of exact package/versions used and to the exact data > used as input are necessary to achieve that degree of completeness. It is > non-trivial even with tools like renv and a complete repo to document all > of the decisions required to reproduce a published result months or years > later... expecting citations and technical discussion alone to catch > everything is IMO an unrealistic goal. The paper can only cover the general > outline of the work, and should be complete enough to allow someone else to > perform a validation study... most likely with different tools and data > sets to check how robust the results are. > > > >If the results can only be reproduced with one data source, it may not > deserve high regard in general, and documenting that you used a narrow > slice of information as the foundation of your conclusions might be a sort > of "YMMV" caution to the reader. > > > >On December 30, 2024 4:02:08 PM PST, "Ebert,Timothy Aaron" < > teb...@ufl.edu> wrote: > >>Yes, you need to cite the source of data and the method for retrieval. > You also need to cite programs used in manipulating the data, cleaning the > data, and analyzing the data. I should be able to read what you wrote, and > using those methods recover the data independently from you and finish all > other steps in the analysis. I should not have to guess. > >> > >>Tim > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: R-help <r-help-boun...@r-project.org> On Behalf Of Erin Hodgess > >>Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 12:17 AM > >>To: r-help@r-project.org > >>Subject: [R] Citation for stock price data from Quantmod > >> > >>[External Email] > >> > >>Hello! > >> > >>Happy Holidays! > >> > >>I have a question about citing stock price data downloaded via Quantmod, > please. Of course, I will cite Quantmod. Do I also need to cite Yahoo > Finance as the actual source of the data, please? > >>Also, I'm not sure if this is a question for the Finance sig, but > thought I would start here. > >> > >>Thank you. > >> > >>Erin Hodgess, PhD > >>mailto: erinm.hodg...@gmail.com > >> > >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >> > >>______________________________________________ > >>R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >>https://stat/. > >>ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-help&data=05%7C02%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu% > >>7 > >>C63f10a3f3aed465b4cfc08dd29354696%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7 > >>C > >>0%7C0%7C638712030988681340%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnR > >>y > >>dWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D% > >>3 > >>D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ykK%2BBt78wpifx16tATeYOx1kZk6Nh52r27u0O30p3kM%3D& > >>r > >>eserved=0 PLEASE do read the posting guide > >>https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > >>r%2F&data=05%7C02%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C2622b5fa1e4549852d3908dd2952c9a > >>1%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C638712157762461251%7CUn > >>known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOi > >>JXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=B3us1I75 > >>EoHTxXDVAu4w0vYauKU0tFhI0S2yo94qQK0%3D&reserved=0 > >>-project.org%2Fposting-guide.html&data=05%7C02%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C63 > >>f > >>10a3f3aed465b4cfc08dd29354696%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7 > >>C > >>0%7C638712030988696546%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWU > >>s > >>IlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7 > >>C > >>0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=RH3My8IjG6fXIdHGQF36PY6kDDG%2FpdgW9BGRAfHY1cE%3D&rese > >>r > >>ved=0 and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible > >>code. > >> > >>______________________________________________ > >>R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see > >>https://stat/. > >>ethz.ch%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fr-help&data=05%7C02%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu% > >>7 > >>C63f10a3f3aed465b4cfc08dd29354696%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7 > >>C > >>0%7C0%7C638712030988704618%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnR > >>y > >>dWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D% > >>3 > >>D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=TM0NCMmYxYx5%2FIUldYRX%2FCdpuzby7HaNOccXX6t1H8Y%3 > >>D > >>&reserved=0 PLEASE do read the posting guide > >>https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > >>r%2F&data=05%7C02%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C2622b5fa1e4549852d3908dd2952c9a > >>1%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C638712157762481129%7CUn > >>known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOi > >>JXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ybXgUREq > >>pyEDmJRTUS5ycIHsKG4SlWiQ4pdoB3fYvag%3D&reserved=0 > >>-project.org%2Fposting-guide.html&data=05%7C02%7Ctebert%40ufl.edu%7C63 > >>f > >>10a3f3aed465b4cfc08dd29354696%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7 > >>C > >>0%7C638712030988712694%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWU > >>s > >>IlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7 > >>C > >>0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CGXXrN%2Bb7thp88QaB9GCipUnFwujDCJkNwGPF6kgshI%3D&rese > >>r > >>ved=0 and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible > >>code. > > > >-- > >Sent from my phone. 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