Like James Booth, I find the SSQ and MSQ in lmer output confusing. The F-ratio (1.485) for Variety is the same for aov, lme and lmer, but lmer's mean square for variety is 1.485 times the subplot residual mean square. In the conventional anova table for a split-plot expt, the variety mean square is 1.485 times *main-plot* residual mean square. -- ian m s white <i.m.s.wh...@ed.ac.uk>
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