Gabriel, I apologize. I did not mean to flame, merely to point out a typical usage of tilde that might have escaped the discussion. As you say, Kurt's fix makes this all moot. I also apologize for wasting everyone's time with my spam.
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 2:13 AM Gabriel Becker <gabembec...@gmail.com> wrote: > At the risk of looking silly, note that all of this is now largely moot > anyway (or will be with the next release of R), thanks to Kurt Hornik's > fixing of the bug in question (which he announced on this thread prior to > but I read after Paul's). > > ~G > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:51 PM Gabriel Becker <gabembec...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 5:16 AM Paul McQuesten <mcques...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> @ Gabriel: >>> >>> "Avoid tilde in file names": >>> Not quite. >>> A tilde *suffix* is commonly used by *nix editors for backup files >>> >>> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76189/what-does-the-tilde-mean-at-the-end-of-a-filename >> >> >> I'm aware of that, but that isn't the case that is being discussed, as >> the example given clearly had a tilde (and spaces) in the middle of the >> file. Backup files witilde suffix does not trigger the bug being discussed. >> It's *only* files paths where the tilde is surrounded on both by spaces >> (or on the right by the end fo the string) that trigger it. >> >> > path.expand("a~b") >> >> [1] "a~b" >> >> > path.expand("a ~ b") >> >> [1] "a /Users/gabrielbecker b" >> >> > path.expand("myfile.txt~") >> >> [1] "myfile.txt~" >> >> > path.expand("myfile.txt ~") >> >> [1] "myfile.txt /Users/gabrielbecker" >> >> >> All that said I'm really not interested in participating in a flame war >> over this. I gave my 2 cents as respectfully as I could, so as of now >> please consider my participation and interest in this thread closed. >> >> Best, >> ~G >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 2:43 AM Kurt Hornik <kurt.hor...@wu.ac.at> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > >>>>> Duncan Murdoch writes: >>> > >>> > With c76695 in the trunk, we now only tilde expand file names starting >>> > with a tilde also when using readline. >>> > >>> > Best >>> > -k >>> > >>> > > On 11/06/2019 4:34 p.m., William Dunlap via R-devel wrote: >>> > >> Note that R treats tildes in file names differently on Windows and >>> > Linux. >>> > >> On Windows, it is only replaced if it it at the beginning of the >>> line >>> > and >>> > >> is followed by a forward or backward slash or end-of-line. On >>> Linux it >>> > is >>> > >> replaced no matter where it is in the text and ~someUser will be >>> > replaced >>> > >> by someUser's home directory (if 'someUser' is a user with a home >>> > >> directory). >>> > >>> > > That's not quite true: On Linux the bug is in the code that uses >>> > > libreadline, which you don't have to use. If you just specify >>> > > "--no-readline" when you start R, it will be fine on Linux, as far >>> as I >>> > > can see. >>> > >>> > > I wouldn't choose that as the default way to run R (it's pretty >>> > > irritating not to have readline support), but it is a workaround for >>> > > this bug. >>> > >>> > > Duncan Murdoch >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >> Hence, if you have a Windows machine that can look at the file >>> system on >>> > >> your Linux machine you can use file.rename on Windows to change the >>> > names. >>> > >> My inclination would be to use a bash script on Linux to change the >>> > names, >>> > >> but if you are not comfortable with bash try the Windows approach. >>> > >> >>> > >> Bill Dunlap >>> > >> TIBCO Software >>> > >> wdunlap tibco.com >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 1:13 PM Frank Schwidom <schwi...@gmx.net> >>> > wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> Hi Gabriel, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I actually want to make renames over thousands of files. But if I >>> am >>> > not >>> > >>> able to express the source filename of the rename operation I will >>> not >>> > be >>> > >>> able to get the work done. Besides the fact that there are issues I >>> > think >>> > >>> that R is qualified for solving my problem by the method how it can >>> > handle >>> > >>> long vectors of strings, booleans and also lists. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Kind regards, >>> > >>> Frank >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On 2019-06-11 09:49:17, Gabriel Becker wrote: >>> > >>>> Hi Frank, >>> > >>>> I'm hesitant to be "that guy", but in case no one else has brought >>> > >>> this up >>> > >>>> to you, having files with a tilde in their names (generally but >>> > >>> especially >>> > >>>> on a linux system, where ~ in file names has a very important >>> special >>> > >>>> meaning in some cases, as we know) strikes me as an exceptionally >>> bad >>> > >>>> practice anyway. In light of that, the solution with the smallest >>> > >>> amount >>> > >>>> of pain for you is almost surely to just... not do that. Your >>> > >>> filenames >>> > >>>> will be better for it anyway. >>> > >>>> There is a reason no one has complained about this before, and >>> while I >>> > >>>> haven't run a study or anything, I strongly suspect its that >>> > >>> "everyone" >>> > >>>> else is already on the "no tildes in filenames" bandwagon, so this >>> > >>>> behavior, even if technically a bug, has no ability to cause them >>> > >>>> problems. >>> > >>>> Best, >>> > >>>> ~G >>> > >>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:25 AM Frank Schwidom <[1] >>> schwi...@gmx.net> >>> > >>>> wrote: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Hi, >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> yes, I have seen this package and it has the same tilde expanding >>> > >>>> problem. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Please excuse me I will cc this answer to r-help and r-devel to >>> > >>> keep the >>> > >>>> discussion running. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Kind regards, >>> > >>>> Frank Schwidom >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On 2019-06-11 09:12:36, Gábor Csárdi wrote: >>> > >>>> > Just in case, have you seen the fs package? >>> > >>>> > [2]https://fs.r-lib.org/ >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Gabor >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 7:51 AM Frank Schwidom <[3] >>> > >>> schwi...@gmx.net> >>> > >>>> wrote: >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > Hi, >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > to get rid of any possible filename modification I started a >>> > >>> little >>> > >>>> project to cover my usecase: >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > [4]https://github.com/schwidom/simplefs >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > This is my first R package, suggestions and a review are >>> > >>> welcome. >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > Thanks in advance >>> > >>>> > > Frank Schwidom >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > On 2019-06-07 09:04:06, Richard O'Keefe wrote: >>> > >>>> > > > How can expanding tildes anywhere but the beginning of a >>> > >>> file >>> > >>>> name NOT be >>> > >>>> > > > considered a bug? >>> > >>>> > > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 23:04, Ivan Krylov >>> > >>>> <[1][5]krylov.r...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 18:07:15 +0200 >>> > >>>> > > > Frank Schwidom <[2][6]schwi...@gmx.net> wrote: >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > > +> path.expand("a ~ b") >>> > >>>> > > > > [1] "a /home/user b" >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > > How can I switch off any file crippling activity? >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > It doesn't seem to be possible if readline is enabled >>> and >>> > >>>> works >>> > >>>> > > > correctly. >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > Calls to path.expand [1] end up [2] in R_ExpandFileName >>> > >>> [3], >>> > >>>> which >>> > >>>> > > > calls R_ExpandFileName_readline [4], which uses >>> > >>> libreadline >>> > >>>> function >>> > >>>> > > > tilde_expand [5]. tilde_expand seems to be designed to >>> > >>> expand >>> > >>>> '~' >>> > >>>> > > > anywhere in the string it is handed, i.e. operate on >>> > >>> whole >>> > >>>> command >>> > >>>> > > > lines, not file paths. >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > I am taking the liberty of Cc-ing R-devel in case this >>> > >>> can be >>> > >>>> > > > considered a bug. >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > -- >>> > >>>> > > > Best regards, >>> > >>>> > > > Ivan >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > [1] >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> [3][7] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/names.c#L807 >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > [2] >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> [4][8] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/platform.c#L1915 >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > [3] >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> [5][9] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-unix.c#L147 >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > [4] >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> [6][10] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-std.c#L494 >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > [5] >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> [7][11] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/readline.git/tree/tilde.c?h=devel#n187 >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > ______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> > > > [8][12]r-h...@r-project.org mailing list -- To >>> > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE >>> > >>>> and more, see >>> > >>>> > > > [9][13]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> > >>>> > > > PLEASE do read the posting guide >>> > >>>> > > > [10][14]http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> > >>>> > > > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, >>> > >>> reproducible >>> > >>>> code. >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > References >>> > >>>> > > > >>> > >>>> > > > Visible links >>> > >>>> > > > 1. mailto:[15]krylov.r...@gmail.com >>> > >>>> > > > 2. mailto:[16]schwi...@gmx.net >>> > >>>> > > > 3. >>> > >>>> [17] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/names.c#L807 >>> > >>>> > > > 4. >>> > >>>> [18] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/platform.c#L1915 >>> > >>>> > > > 5. >>> > >>>> [19] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-unix.c#L147 >>> > >>>> > > > 6. >>> > >>>> [20] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-std.c#L494 >>> > >>>> > > > 7. >>> > >>>> [21] >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/readline.git/tree/tilde.c?h=devel#n187 >>> > >>>> > > > 8. mailto:[22]r-h...@r-project.org >>> > >>>> > > > 9. [23]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> > >>>> > > > 10. [24]http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> > > ______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> > > [25]R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > >>>> > > [26]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> ______________________________________________ >>> > >>>> [27]R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > >>>> [28]https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> References >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Visible links >>> > >>>> 1. mailto:schwi...@gmx.net >>> > >>>> 2. https://fs.r-lib.org/ >>> > >>>> 3. mailto:schwi...@gmx.net >>> > >>>> 4. https://github.com/schwidom/simplefs >>> > >>>> 5. mailto:krylov.r...@gmail.com >>> > >>>> 6. mailto:schwi...@gmx.net >>> > >>>> 7. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/names.c#L807 >>> > >>>> 8. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/platform.c#L1915 >>> > >>>> 9. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-unix.c#L147 >>> > >>>> 10. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-std.c#L494 >>> > >>>> 11. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/readline.git/tree/tilde.c?h=devel#n187 >>> > >>>> 12. mailto:r-h...@r-project.org >>> > >>>> 13. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> > >>>> 14. http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> > >>>> 15. mailto:krylov.r...@gmail.com >>> > >>>> 16. mailto:schwi...@gmx.net >>> > >>>> 17. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/names.c#L807 >>> > >>>> 18. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/main/platform.c#L1915 >>> > >>>> 19. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-unix.c#L147 >>> > >>>> 20. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://github.com/wch/r-source/blob/12d1d2d232d84aa355e333348b81180a0e2c6f2f/src/unix/sys-std.c#L494 >>> > >>>> 21. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/readline.git/tree/tilde.c?h=devel#n187 >>> > >>>> 22. mailto:r-h...@r-project.org >>> > >>>> 23. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >>> > >>>> 24. http://www.r-project.org/posting-guide.html >>> > >>>> 25. mailto:R-devel@r-project.org >>> > >>>> 26. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>>> 27. mailto:R-devel@r-project.org >>> > >>>> 28. https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ >>> > >>> R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >>> > >> >>> > >> ______________________________________________ >>> > >> R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >> >>> > >>> > > ______________________________________________ >>> > > R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________ >>> > R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> > >>> >>> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> R-devel@r-project.org mailing list >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
