El vie., 10 ago. 2018 a las 14:17, Tomas Kalibera
(<tomas.kalib...@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
> Hi Iñaki,
>
> I think that "still reachable" memory is potentially a problem only if
> you cared about (frequent) package unloading, and if package unloading
> did not have correctness problems in the first place. I would only worry
> about "memory leaks" reported by valgrind.
>
> That your example (unloading a library while there is still an object
> with a finalizer implemented in that library) segfaults on one system
> but not another is not too surprising. Depending on the OS, the dynamic
> linker, the current state of the system, etc - when the GC tries to run
> the finalizer, it may point to inaccessible memory (segfault), but also
> still to the code of the unloaded finalizer (possibly no segfault) or
> something else. There is no way to distinguish between all these cases
> before running the finalizer - neither the OS nor R can do it - we could
> only in principle, with a lot of other problems and platform-dependent
> hacks, detect when the memory is inaccessible, but that may not be worth it.
Ok, I get it. And I agree: it's not worth it. Thanks again.
Iñaki
>
> Best
> Tomas
>
>
> On 08/10/2018 12:46 AM, Iñaki Úcar wrote:
> > Thanks, Tomas, Luke, for the clarifications. Then, I have another question.
> >
> > But first, let me introduce how I ended up here, because obviously I
> > just don't go around dyn.unloading things that I've just compiled. I
> > was testing a package with valgrind. Everything ok, no leaks. Great.
> > But I'm always suspicious (probably unjustifiably) of all the memory
> > that is reported as "still reachable", so I wanted to check whether
> > there was any difference if I detach(unload=TRUE) the package after
> > all the tests.
> >
> > In a nutshell, I ended up discovering that the following code:
> >
> > ```
> > library(simmer)
> > simmer() # allocates a C++ object, as in my initial example
> > detach("package:simmer", unload=TRUE)
> > ```
> >
> > segfaults on Windows, but not on Linux (then I built the example in my
> > initial email to confirm it wasn't simmer's fault). So given that,
> > from your explanation, I should expect a segfault here, the question
> > is: what on Earth does (or does not) R on Linux do to avoid
> > segfaulting compared to Windows? :) And a corolary would be, can't R
> > on Windows do the same?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Iñaki
> >
> > El jue., 9 ago. 2018 a las 21:13, <luke-tier...@uiowa.edu> escribió:
> >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2018, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 9 August 2018 at 20:37, Tomas Kalibera wrote:
> >>> | So to answer your original question, this could probably be handled in
> >>> | Rcpp,
> >>>
> >>> Hm. Why do you say that / what did you have in mind?
> >> We say it because it is true. Rcpp registers C finalizers and running
> >> them after unloading will segfault. For now it would be better for Rcpp
> >> (and everyone else) to explicitly discourage unloading as it is
> >> unreliable on many levels.
> >>
> >> What Rcpp could do to avoid segfaulting is to keep a weak list of all
> >> objects to which it attaches C finalizers and arrange for those to be
> >> cleaned up in an R_unload_<dllname> routine. Not clear it is worth the
> >> trouble. At the R level we could provide more support for this since
> >> we already have a weak list of objects with finalizers, but again not
> >> clear it is worth the trouble.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> luke
> >>
> >>> Recall that we do not alter SEXPs or introduce additional additional
> >>> reference counters -- because we do not think that altering the basic R
> >>> API
> >>> for such calls would be a wise strategy. So we do more or less what is
> >>> done
> >>> in C for R, with some additional hand-holding which circumvents a number
> >>> of
> >>> common errors.
> >>>
> >>> | but in either case I would not use dyn.unload() in the first
> >>> | place. This problem may be just one of many.
> >>>
> >>> I think I'd second that. I never had much unloading packages or dynamic
> >>> libraries and tend to "just say no". Both short-lived processes (ie via
> >>> 'r')
> >>> as well as long sessions (ie R via ESS, running for weeks) work for my
> >>> workflows.
> >>>
> >>> Dirk
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Luke Tierney
> >> Ralph E. Wareham Professor of Mathematical Sciences
> >> University of Iowa Phone: 319-335-3386
> >> Department of Statistics and Fax: 319-335-3017
> >> Actuarial Science
> >> 241 Schaeffer Hall email: luke-tier...@uiowa.edu
> >> Iowa City, IA 52242 WWW: http://www.stat.uiowa.edu
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