On 2026-09-05, Maria Sophia <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> This is about privacy.
>>> Not security.
>> 
>> This is about the *perception* of privacy. Like telling people they
>> don't have to worry about closing their curtains, they just need to
>> close their eyes -- if they can¢t see the people outside looking in,
>> then those looking in can't see them!
>
> Hi Lawrence,
>
> I say with all respect that your statement is too wrong to accept as is.
> What you just said, I've heard a thousand times before, from many people.
>
> And yet, it's no different than what I've heard by asking the guy next to
> me at the gas pump since the 1960's why he puts premium in a Honda Civic.
>
> For over five decades, people have been parroting what someone told them.
> None of them actually understand a word that they're obviously parroting.
>
> Same here... 
>
> Again, I respect you for your technical acumen which is greater'n mine.
> But I can't tell if you know privacy differences between these situations:
>    a. iPhone owner happens to walk by my house
>    b. Android owner happens to walk by my house
>
> Do you know the difference in terms of what happens, or not, with respect
> to my unique AP BSSID & GPS location (both of which are exactly my house)?
>
> I do.
>    A. So does Apple.
>    B. So does Mozilla. And Google.
>
> Mozilla respects a hidden access point broadcast (i.e., it's set to null).
> So does Google (surprisingly).
>    i. But not Apple.
>   ii. And yet, Apple loudly & vociferously proclaims to care about privacy.
>
> That's the part that is the most hurtful.
> Apple brazenly lies, with a huge "what me?" seemingly innocent smile.
>
> Yet, Apple immediately removed my BSSID/GPS from their WPS database.
> Because they know what I know about the lack of privacy in that regard.
>
> It may well be I'm the only one in the world who is honored so by Apple.
> But that's not my point as I care about everyone's privacy. Not just mine.
>
> Another question for you, Lawrence, again, because I respect your acumen.
>
> Do you know the difference between these two situations:
>   a. iPhone owner happens to walk by my house & it uploads my BSSID/GPS?
>   b. Android owner happens to walk by my house & it uploads my BSSID/GPS?
>
> What happens then?
> Do you know? 
>
> I do.
> Anyone who can't answer those queries, can't possibly understand the issue.

Do you have any intention of letting anyone else know what the issue is?
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