Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> This is about privacy.
>> Not security.
> 
> This is about the *perception* of privacy. Like telling people they
> don't have to worry about closing their curtains, they just need to
> close their eyes -- if they can¢t see the people outside looking in,
> then those looking in can't see them!

Hi Lawrence,

I say with all respect that your statement is too wrong to accept as is.
What you just said, I've heard a thousand times before, from many people.

And yet, it's no different than what I've heard by asking the guy next to
me at the gas pump since the 1960's why he puts premium in a Honda Civic.

For over five decades, people have been parroting what someone told them.
None of them actually understand a word that they're obviously parroting.

Same here... 

Again, I respect you for your technical acumen which is greater'n mine.
But I can't tell if you know privacy differences between these situations:
   a. iPhone owner happens to walk by my house
   b. Android owner happens to walk by my house

Do you know the difference in terms of what happens, or not, with respect
to my unique AP BSSID & GPS location (both of which are exactly my house)?

I do.
   A. So does Apple.
   B. So does Mozilla. And Google.

Mozilla respects a hidden access point broadcast (i.e., it's set to null).
So does Google (surprisingly).
   i. But not Apple.
  ii. And yet, Apple loudly & vociferously proclaims to care about privacy.

That's the part that is the most hurtful.
Apple brazenly lies, with a huge "what me?" seemingly innocent smile.

Yet, Apple immediately removed my BSSID/GPS from their WPS database.
Because they know what I know about the lack of privacy in that regard.

It may well be I'm the only one in the world who is honored so by Apple.
But that's not my point as I care about everyone's privacy. Not just mine.

Another question for you, Lawrence, again, because I respect your acumen.

Do you know the difference between these two situations:
  a. iPhone owner happens to walk by my house & it uploads my BSSID/GPS?
  b. Android owner happens to walk by my house & it uploads my BSSID/GPS?

What happens then?
Do you know? 

I do.
Anyone who can't answer those queries, can't possibly understand the issue.
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