Don Question wrote:

> maybe it's because gtk and therefore pygtk is an almost "linux only"
> thing.

I personally know and work with a fair number of people who need to
develop with pygtk on OSX.

> Even if you include our bsd-friends, there is no real need for an
> alien "quick and dirty" packaging system like the egg infrastructure.

Eggs aren't that quick and dirty, actually. I do see where resentment
about specifics of the setuptools package come from, but that doesn't say
much about eggs as a concept. There are other systems than setuptools that
work with eggs and their metadata.

> The
> native "sophisticated" software-managment-systems just provides too many
> benefits.

But there are environments where they just don't fit in the established
workflow, which isn't a judgement of the relative merits of installation
systems or package managers but just a matter of needing to use packages
together that each use a different packaging system.

As an example, if pygtk was installable as an egg, dependencies of other
packages on pygtk could be expressed in the same way that dependencies on
other projects can be expressed - by listing its egg name in an
appropriate metadata field. pygtk is among the most important of those odd
beasts that always need some special treatment (even if it's just telling
people to use the system's Python and first install pygtk using their
system's package manager before doing whatever they normally do when
working with a Python package).

Even if eggs sucked (which they don't), they're still an established
standard in the Python community, so there's value in providing Python
libraries in that format.

Note that formulating the setup code for a project such that an egg of
that project can be built doesn't mean any other packaging has to be
abandoned. It's mainly just a matter of adding the appropriate metadata.

> Eggs are nice and good, but maybe not just for every situation. And maybe
> pygtk is not an "useful" egg.

I know a number of developers who would be very happy about a pygtk egg.

-- 
Thomas



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