On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 12:26:44 PM UTC-7, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
>
> I received marketing email this morning about "Puppet Application 
> Orchestration".  I'm guessing this is related to PRFC-6 and the recent 
> PR's for PUP-XXXXs that are not publicly accessible. 
>
> If this feature is indeed related to PRFC-6, the index page lists this 
> PRFC as being in "draft" status.  Per PRFC-0, the approval process is 
> supposed to be draft -> posted -> submitted -> candidate -> funded -> 
> completed.  I don't recall any discussion on this list other than the 
> issues that can up with "application" became a reserved word. 
>
> To be clear, I am not complaining about features being developed behind 
> closed doors.  Rather, I'm wondering why the PRFC process was 
> [potentially] not followed for a major feature?  Is there not enough 
> community engagement?  Is it too slow? Is it a failed experiment at this 
> point? 
>

Hi Josh. I'm glad we had a chance to chat briefly at PuppetConf but wanted 
to follow-up on the list as well. 

As you indicated, PRFC-6 was Luke's early thinking of what we recently 
announced as Puppet Application Orchestration. Our approach to building 
this wasn't a reflection of the PRFC process as much as it was an attempt 
to put forward a complete thought for how we see these ideas coming 
together to manage applications with the full set of services provided by 
Puppet Enterprise. For me, it's a starting point. Shortly after the release 
of PE 2015.3, we'll have the Puppet release out with the language 
extensions behind a feature flag and plan to provide tooling by early next 
year. As more information becomes available and you have a chance to get 
your hands on the product, I hope we can discuss what's working, what's not 
working and develop the next iterations on these ideas through the PRFC 
process. 

Regarding the publicly inaccessible PUP tickets, I was trying to avoid 
early confusion before anything had hit the Puppet repo and neglected to 
fix the situation as I got swept up by PuppetConf. I'll clean up the 
project next week, after brief PTO. Sorry about that.
 

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