Bob's Lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> I understand the sentiment. Whether I get round to it is another thing, I
> have always considered trying to talk to slow moving, dinosaur bureaucracies
> like ICANN('t) a short path to nervous breakdown. I wouldn't call myself an
> anarchist by any stretch of the imagination, but even *thinking* about
> bureaucracy and committees and bloody sub-committees in general makes me
> reach for the Whisky...
> 
Ha! You don't live in Ireland mate. We've got the IEDR (Irish Domain 
Registry) over here selling domains for IEP�100 a pop, plus VAT @ 21%. After 
the first ten (IEP�1210!), we get to sell them at IEP�40 + VAT. They still 
use templates for registration. No WHOIS. No generics. No personal names. 
Documentation required right, left and center. Of course, there are proposals 
to remove/relax some of the rules, but they've been on the table since 
February.

Ok, so maybe ICANN are even worse, but we have other worries. No DSL, and no 
answers about DSL. No date set for local loop unbundling. Vastly overpriced 
Internet and telephone connections, from all providers. Incompetence and 
lackadaisical attitude from all providers (bar one cellular provider). A 
virtual monopoloy by the previously semi-state telco, which has four 
directors with zero shares in the company.

> I left the UK in disgust many years ago, while I was in the 40% tax bracket
> and they were spending my money paying fat politicians in Brussels / the EEC
> to regulate on the size, colour and shape a banana has to be before you're
> allowed to import it.
>
Ah, politicians you say! We've got two major tribunals at the moment, looking 
into planning permission corruption, tax evasion, and miscellaneous other 
corruption scandals. Ex-ministers feature heavily, including an ex-Taoiseach 
(Prime Minister). Laughter ensues in the public gallery on a regular basis, 
in responses to comments like, "I didn't have any money at the time".

> Heading up some sort of protest movement to take on the likes of ICANN 
> gives me the willies...
> 
Well, that's up to you. I don't have any expired domains that I want, and as 
you can see, I have enough on my plate at the moment... :)

> (Anyone who understands that, has been to Scotland :)
> 
Ditto Ireland.

> If I was to do it, I'd sure like to tackle ARIN at the same time over their
> ludicrous insistence that we all switch to 'virtual hosting'...
> 
You might mention the fees ICANN want to charge CENTR while you're at it...

adam

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