Meeting minutes!
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sebas
http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org
Plasma Meeting 25-09-2017
Present: jensreut, Sho_, kbroulik, fvogt, Riddell, d_ed, bshah, sebas
jensreut:
* VDG management
Sho:
* Did emergency v1.0.3 release of Simple Menu to fix favorites on Plasma v5.11
* On vacation last week but did a massive amount of coding on Konversation ->
https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Konvi2x#Work_log
* QtWS coordination
d_ed:
* new plasma beta release, everything is broken
* redid the way QQC2 style is set, it's now not polluting other dev's envs
* Fixed global menu and autohide
* A KWayland race condition (fixed it potentially crashing the server, then
changed it so that state wouldn't happen anyway)
* Changed the kscreen auto scaling to not try to autoscale projectors or
virtual screens (where DPI can't be calculated)
Riddell:
* 10 days until 5.11 tars are made!
* Qt 5.10 alpha now available in neon
fvogt:
- has nothing to report (but I saw him helping to debug screen scaling
problems, so he's probably lieing ;-))
bshah:
- Arch linux images
- Spend half of week debugging why I can't mount /firmware partition
- Turns out it is the selinux context= option in fstab, which is not
recognized by mount becuase coreutils is not built with selinux support
- Halium
- investigated a libybris build failure with glibc 2.26
- only to realize it was fixed by someone else already :
https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/commit/9128c0ac80ff713b3b45
sebas:
- debugged and fixed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384733 (fixes went
into three different repos, which makes it seriously hairy stuff)
- regression caused by one of the above patches, also fixed and confirmed
- wrote privacy software goal https://phabricator.kde.org/T7050 (please put
your name under it!)
- Blogged about history of Plasma Mobile
https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/09/the-evolution-of-plasma-mobile/
- Wrote another blog about convergence (will publish tomorrow I guess, want to
include AlexL's concept X as possible direction there)
The Log:
[12:04:03] <sebas> Meeting time!
[12:04:11] <sebas> Who's here for that?
[12:04:36] <jensreut> Im here but have almost zero plasma stuff to support
[12:04:52] <Sho_> here too
[12:05:06] <jensreut> bshah: is at dentist
[12:05:14] <jensreut> (I think he said)
[12:05:50] -*- fvogt too, with nothing to report
[12:06:04] <kbroulik> meeting
[12:06:14] <kbroulik> (I just felt like Internet Explorer)
[12:06:37] <sebas> Alright, then jens reports his almost zero stuff, then Sho,
then kbroulik
[12:06:48] <sebas> I'll finish and we go our merry ways
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[12:07:23] <jensreut> Almost Zero about Plasma: VDG 2.0 planning puttering
along. Will start setting up talks about it in the private VDG channel
[12:07:37] <jensreut> Almost Zero about Plasma: done.
[12:07:55] <Sho_> Eike Hein:
[12:07:56] <Sho_> * Did emergency v1.0.3 release of Simple Menu to fix
favorites on Plasma v5.11
[12:07:56] <Sho_> * On vacation last week but did a massive amount of coding on
Konversation -> https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Konvi2x#Work_log
[12:07:56] <Sho_> * QtWS coordination
[12:08:13] <jensreut> Oh it also means that if you're not a designer, you wont
be in the VDG private room come tomorrow (addendum to almost zero)
[12:08:23] <Sho_> heh, the name header is because I copied it from Telegram
which I used as notepad
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[12:09:00] <Sho_> Oh and Marco is absent I can report on some Kirigami stuff
related to the Konvi work
[12:09:34] <Sho_> Konversation's design as well as other VDG designs contain a
UI area that is dark or inverse-colored
[12:10:07] <Sho_> we've been teaching Kirigami how to do that, using sort of a
on-steroids version of Plasma's old ColorScope
[12:10:34] <Sho_> it's much more sophisticated and performant, and repalettes
and recolors icons niftily across platforms and styles
[12:10:49] <Sho_> Marco worked his butt off there
[12:11:02] <sebas> yeah awesome!
[12:11:05] <Sho_> and that's it from my side :)
[12:11:13] <sebas> Also, cool konvi stuff (was about to ask, I'll check on that
then!)
[12:11:42] <Sho_> I will do a cool progress blog report with animations
sometime this week I hope
[12:11:42] <sebas> jensreut: what's the reason to have private conversations,
shouldn't it be open by default as to make it easier for others to follow and
join in?
[12:11:47] <sebas> Sho_: nice
[12:12:06] <Sho_> (Plasma and QtWS permitting :)
[12:12:30] <Sho_> But yeah it was probably my most productive week this year
... on vacation ;)
[12:12:43] <jensreut> No. this is about internal organisation and I want to
know their issues and I dont want your feedback to begin with. The VDG private
channel was never ment for design work and external communication - but the
"nonsense" and "blowing off steam" that is now happening in individual chats
making it even less effective.
[12:12:56] <jensreut> "Dont want your feedback IN THE BEGINNING" sry english
[12:13:35] <sebas> Aye, I get that ... didn't know you had "blowing off steam",
where does that come from?
[12:13:49] <jensreut> day to day work :)
[12:14:25] <sebas> I meant which kind of people blow off steam?
[12:14:41] <jensreut> Sometimes someone will go "I hate all programmers" and
that is not ment as feedback to programmers but when you're frustrated. I want
to make sure that no one thins that that is anything more than "Ouch I stupped
my toe" screaming.
[12:14:43] <sebas> is that you designer guys needing a place to vent, or others
complaining about you, or yet something else?
[12:15:01] <sebas> (Seems like an unhealthy thing, so I'd like to know more
about it, perhaps we can do something about it as well...)
[12:15:03] <jensreut> Us, if its someone else that should be in the public
channel
[12:15:23] <sebas> haha, okay. You're allowed to hate all programmers :D
[12:15:26] <jensreut> heh now it sounds really dramatic... :D
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[12:15:39] <sebas> nah, that's normal
[12:16:16] <jensreut> It HAS happened that something was really frustrating and
someone goes "aaaau7uurrurgggh!" and I just want to have that contained and
also part of smaller discussions that doesnt concern actual design projects.
Separate the two for now. They have been too mixed up
[12:17:12] <jensreut> (also no one hates all programmers... MOST programmers,
we hate "most programmers" ;) )
[12:17:24] <sebas> gheghe
[12:17:27] <sebas> alright, cool :)
[12:17:32] <sebas> thanks for handling that
[12:17:56] <jensreut> I just want to say it here so no one thinks I am moving
them out of the group for some horrible reason. Its for now...
[12:18:26] <sebas> nope, got it
[12:18:32] <jensreut> <3
[12:19:03] <sebas> kbroulik:
[12:19:08] <kbroulik> * Some fixes and minor performance improvements here and
there
[12:19:08] <sebas> your turn
[12:19:12] <kbroulik> We've got a new very eager contributor (in Dolphin and
kde apps mostly but still) https://phabricator.kde.org/p/ngraham/ so please
have a look at some of his review requests and make him feel welcome :)
[12:19:15] <kbroulik> that's it from me
[12:20:09] <d_ed> jensreut: quite a few of those need VDG input ^. you guys are
tagged in them
[12:20:26] <Riddell> 10 days until 5.11 tars are made!
[12:20:32] <Riddell> Sho_: did you update the release announce?
[12:20:42] <jensreut> kbroulik: he is probably already on board (we have him
pegged as future VDG bugwrangler)
[12:20:57] <fvogt> ngraham, isn't that PointiestStick on reddit, the gui who
made looong posts with complaints in the beginning?
[12:21:04] <fvogt> s/gui/guy/...
[12:21:14] <jensreut> Yup
[12:21:16] <d_ed> fvogt: I believe so
[12:21:22] <Sho_> Riddell: argh, I forgot because of the power outage and now
I'm not at a system with ssh keys. when is the release?
[12:21:31] <sebas> d_ed: your turn :-)
[12:21:38] <Sho_> oh, you just said
[12:21:47] <Riddell> Sho_: I refer the honourable gentleman to the comments I
made some momets ago
[12:21:52] <Sho_> Riddell: will edit tmrw, promised!
[12:22:13] <d_ed> new release, everything is broken
[12:22:14] -*- Sho_ writes big todo note
[12:22:16] <Riddell> but translators will want it pronto
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[12:22:31] <d_ed> redid the way QQC2 style is set, it's now not polluting other
dev's envs
[12:22:38] <sebas> fvogt: I'll put this in the notes for you: "- has nothing
to report (but I saw him helping to debug screen scaling problems, so he's
probably lieing ;-))"
[12:22:49] <Sho_> Riddell: if tomorrow is too late, should I send you notes now?
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[12:22:56] <Sho_> (sorry David)
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[12:23:09] <sebas> d_ed: new release of ...? (Plasma Beta?)
[12:23:15] <d_ed> Plasma
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[12:24:04] <d_ed> * Fixed global menu and autohide
[12:24:31] <d_ed> * A KWayland race condition (fixed it potentially crashing
the server, then changed it so that state wouldn't happen anyway)
[12:25:02] <d_ed> * Changed the kscreen auto scaling to not try to autoscale
projectors or virtual screens (where DPI can't be calculated)
[12:26:22] <d_ed> as we're in a meeting, does anyone have any opinions on the
"new widgets to plasma" thread? Otherwise I'll probably end up helping incubate
them
[12:26:55] <Sho_> I'm opposed to the redshift one
[12:27:07] <Sho_> It's redundant with Roman's night mode
[12:27:20] <sebas> from my POV, it seemed fine, but not terribly convinced of
neither option
[12:27:41] <Sho_> btw: shadeslayer has been telling me launcher favorites are
borked on his odroid images with the beta but I have not been able to repro,
testing appreciated
[12:27:47] <Sho_> re release borkage
[12:27:48] <sebas> Sho_: Hm, it's complementary actually, Roman's stuff is
wayland only, no?
[12:27:56] <Sho_> (no bug reports for beta on it)
[12:28:02] <sebas> so we'd need a way to not show redshit on X
[12:28:08] <d_ed> sebas: currently it is, there's no reason it has to be
[12:28:14] <sebas> or have them merged with different backends
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[12:28:34] <Sho_> sebas: yeah, but do we really want to end up with a situation
where we ship widget that's confusingly treading the same ground as other
options in the UI?
[12:28:37] <sebas> and it's an often requested feature I think, I'd actually be
okay with plasma-addons
[12:28:45] <sebas> nice way to incubate the dev as well...
[12:28:53] <d_ed> well he wants his own repo rather than into p-d/p-w
[12:29:05] <Sho_> oh
[12:29:12] <Sho_> that's totally fine ofc
[12:29:23] <Sho_> no reason they can't dev om kde
[12:29:30] <Sho_> *dev on kde.org
[12:29:46] <Sho_> I thought it was about release inclusion
[12:30:37] <sebas> should we continue that on the list then?
[12:31:06] <sebas> incubating into KDE is fine anyway, making it part of
official Plasma is the question
[12:31:17] <sebas> also touches the scope, how much will we keep adding...
[12:31:42] <sebas> Anyway, Riddell: anything to report?
[12:31:53] <Riddell> Qt 5.10 alpha now available in neon
[12:32:00] <Riddell> I'll do a blog shortly
[12:32:14] <Riddell> kirigami stuff crashes as does the clock so anyone who can
help on that would be good
[12:32:35] <Riddell> and tars in 10 days for release in 15 days for 5.11
[12:32:36] <Riddell> is all
[12:32:39] <Sho_> Riddell: if editing the announcement tomorrow is too late,
should I send notes now?
[12:32:41] <sebas> ow, so for now I better not update my neon git unstable?
[12:33:02] <Riddell> sebas: it's hidden in the secret testing/ repo so you
won't get it unless you have that enabled for whatever reason
[12:33:09] <sebas> okay, good :)
[12:33:16] <Riddell> which only nutters like soee do
[12:33:21] <sebas> I often upgrade willy-nilly
[12:33:30] <sebas> (another kind of nutter)
[12:33:36] <Riddell> Sho_: if you have them sure I can do that and keep the
translators happier
[12:33:47] <d_ed> Riddell: can you explain "the clock crashes"
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[12:35:01] <Riddell> d_ed: https://i.imgur.com/cpEY4Gw.jpg
[12:35:43] <Riddell> CalendarView unavailable
[12:37:02] <sebas> Let's debug this further post-meeting as to not hold the
meeting up...
[12:37:20] <sebas> my turn, and then go ahead...
[12:37:25] <sebas> - debugged and fixed
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384733 (fixes went into three different
repos, which makes it seriously hairy stuff)
[12:37:25] <sebas> - regression caused by one of the above patches, also fixed
and confirmed
[12:37:25] <sebas> - wrote privacy software goal
https://phabricator.kde.org/T7050 (please put your name under it!)
[12:37:25] <sebas> - Blogged about history of Plasma Mobile
https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/09/the-evolution-of-plasma-mobile/
[12:37:25] <sebas> - Wrote another blog about convergence (will publish
tomorrow I guess, want to include AlexL's concept X as possible direction there)
[12:37:25] <sKreamer> KDE bug 384733 in KScreen (kded) "Wayland configs are not
saved" [normal,FIXED] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384733
[12:37:25] <sKreamer> Task 7050 "Privacy Software" [Open,Normal] {Goal settings
2017} https://phabricator.kde.org/T7050
[12:37:49] <sebas> I think keeping Plasma Mobile visible is going quite well
right now, fundraiser is still going fairly strong
[12:37:56] <bshah> sebas: just came back from dentist..
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[12:38:07] <bshah> will send you notes in 10-15 mins later
[12:38:16] <bshah> (it's just two liner.. but still :p)
[12:38:17] <sebas> bshah: wb! if you want to report, you can go ahead now
[12:38:31] <bshah> need to write notes well..
[12:38:57] <bshah> but, I mostly debugged why I can't mount /firmware partition
of android inside the archlinux rootfs
[12:39:01] <bshah> and found issue this morning
[12:39:24] <bshah> 12:56 <bshah> turns out it is selinux
[12:39:26] <bshah> 12:56 <bshah> it defines "context=foo" in the mount options
[12:39:28] <bshah> 12:57 <bshah> but in archlinux
[12:39:30] <bshah> 12:57 <bshah> coreutils is not compiled with selinux
[12:39:32] <bshah> 12:57 <bshah> so it fails to understand context= option
[12:39:34] <bshah> 12:58 <bshah> which is kinda stupid
[12:39:50] <bshah> and that's pretty much it from my side mostly
[12:40:01] <bshah> but I can send structured notes in bit
[12:40:36] <sebas> sure, send them to me in a query and I'll include them, then
send it to the list
[12:40:39] <sebas> otherwise, meeting done!
[12:41:24] <sebas> Would be nice if we could do this a little more actively
focused next time around, 35 minutes bears room for improvements... Thanks
those that participated though, much appreciated!
[12:41:29] <sebas> meeting done!
[12:43:47] <sebas> librem 5 campaign is at 46.15% now, almost 700KUSD raised
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[12:43:58] <sebas> https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
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[12:44:45] <kbroulik> d_ed: I'll slam a "menu" button on the notifications
preview to make the existence of the context menu more obvious. I'll put that
in 5.11 (no new strings) since we havent figured out notification accessibility
anyway
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[12:45:13] <bshah> sebas: about Plasma mobile blog, I had some more ideas about
blogpost(s) which focus on "some" technical bits .. do you have some more
blogposts or something in mind for promo? if so we can co-ordinate maybe?
[12:45:47] <sebas> bshah: yes, one about convergence, which is more conceptual
[12:46:13] <bshah> mostly I wanted to blog which is more like "What makes
plasma mobile"
[12:46:15] <sebas> planned for tomorrow (I haven't figured out how I can show
previews from my WP)
[12:46:28] <sebas> bshah: yeah, very cool! if you need proof-reading, hit me up!
