We had the meety-meets, and them be the results! Cheerio, Eike
Plasma Team meeting, 2017-04-24
Present: notmart, kbroulik, bshah, Riddell, Sho_, romangg, d_ed notmart: * mouse down (eaten events) finally merged in Qt * redesigning of color scheme kcm, add "current color scheme back for https://github.com/blue-systems/plasma-5.9/issues/81 https://phabricator.kde.org/D5411 * basic functionality for the new systemsettings mode, port to QML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYQgGwBfS4 ** kirigami fixes from the testing of the systemsettings UI * experimental for resize applets like windows https://phabricator.kde.org/D5527 ** it's a full systemsettings plugin: user can still use the old modes ** fully wire up search functionality, help and configuration for the other modes ** custom delegate to make it more android-like kbroulik: I was at the Augsburger Linux-Infotag on Saturday and showcased Plasma to the visitors: https://plus.google.com/100202326091940882253/posts/SPQeaTzcnTP Trying to get a blog post about it up next week or so. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive, people love what we did with Plasma both visually and functional (e.g. the focus on productivity, all the little new features, like audio indicator in task bar, the Breeze experience we also add to 3rd party apps like LibreOffice and so on). Interest in Plasma Mobile is undaunted with the phone being an eyecatcher drawing people to the booth. There were two guys from a university who I pointed to the enterprise-ml and showcased some KIOSK stuff to them, I hope to see another large KDE deployment in the future ;) I continue work on the Plasma Browser Integration and hope to get a 0.1 release out by next week and announce that on the ml for people to try it out and squash bugs. It's already on the Chrome Web store (not yet listed) and still need to figure out some packaging stuff but it'll be amazing! http://wstaw.org/m/2017/04/19/Screenshot_20170419_150144.png if you're wondering what it can do ;) bshah: I was mainly working on plasma mobile on arch stuff, I've included the patches for fixing font issue etc.. And another thing is, project halium, I had kickoff meeting with people in team and we want to soon announce this project will possibly also do announcement on dot.kde.org or my personal blog http://bshah.in/tmp/halium.html --> here is draft of official announcement Riddell: well the reason I was asking kbroulik about stuff in the releaes is it's repo freeze on thursday so if you have any other bits you need added to the release it needs agreement by then so far it's same as 5.9 plus xdg-desktop-thing my other question is does anyone care about plasmate? plasmate was broken for some time when kdevelop changed their API, fixed now https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-sdk.git/commit/?id=4a24c7d3ca1044c56a1ff4b6d07aefa8eac2d2ef Sho_: * [TM] Added a data role for "this task has an associated launcher" to TasksModel * [TM] With "Keep launchers seperate" disabled, the startup notification replacing the launcher item is now layouted to match the launcher item in size. The visual result is that the app item only expands to task size when the window appears, not already for the starting-up state. * [TM] Introduced a system to ignore runtime/host executables in the match-by-process-command-line part of the app matching heuristic, helps e.g. with perl-SDL apps such as Frozen Bubble * [TM] Fixed another bug borking window task listing on screen res changes * [TM] I've started a thread on wine-devel to poke them into improving desktop integration with promising results so far: https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2017-April/117413.html * [Other] Some Konversation bugfixing I have some UI things to try in appdash and simple menu, otherwise nothing too exciting going on Akademy accepted my talk proposal for complex text input in Plasma and my travel support req so I guess I'm going to Akademy romangg: * I wrote three porposals for GSoC projects this year. Two for KDE (Window Metadata, i.e. Window Thumbnails on Wayland and native Redshift in Plasma - also for Wayland) and one for Xorg (Multi present in Xwayland) * Since I got offers from KDE and Xorg, I had to decide and I chose the Xorg project now, because this way I can quickly learn about the Xserver/Xwayland code and build up some relations to the people there (while I know you KDE people already ;) ). m a strategy POV that's pretty good, I want KDE to have more people in the middleware stack I feel a bit guilty though. sorry guys :`( * The good news is: I forgot that one of my project ideas for KDE was the Redshift stuff and so I wrote most of it in the last week. You can see it in action on a Wayland session here: https://streamable.com/xvg0x * I called it Night Color and it has three modi: (1) Automatic location and sun time detection (2) Manual location and from that automatic sun time detection (3) Manual sun time (1) uses the geolocation DataEngine and a self written sun calculation function (2) uses the above function with the manual location data as input (3) just uses the sun time data * The color temperature value is controlled by adjusting the CRTC gamma values in the DRM platform * The problem / question: * Currently the functionality is implemented solely in KWin, but I want to change that because I think at least having the location automatic directly in the compositor is troublesome. d_ed: I've been spending all week doing either QtCurve fixes and fixing some issue with the "missing clicks". I now have a nice Qt bug report with an easily reproducible test case <notmart> meeting? <Sho_> yes pls <-- smirky (~smirky@15.203.233.81) has left this server (Quit: Leaving.). --> pinheiro (~pinhe...@bl17-72-220.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined this channel. <romangg> yea <Sho_> sebas bshah apol Riddell kbroulik romangg <kbroulik> here <notmart> here <romangg> here <Sho_> sebas might be missing so i'll run things <Sho_> notmart go go go <bshah> I am also here <notmart> * mouse down (eaten events) finally merged in Qt <notmart> * redesigning of color scheme kcm, add "current color scheme back for https://github.com/blue-systems/plasma-5.9/issues/81 https://phabricator.kde.org/D5411 <sKreamer> Diff 5411 "restore the "current" color scheme concept" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D5411 <notmart> * basic functionality for the new systemsettings mode, port to QML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYQgGwBfS4 <notmart> ** kirigami fixes from the testing of the systemsettings UI <notmart> * experimental for resize applets like windows https://phabricator.kde.org/D5527 <sKreamer> Diff 5527 "add resize handles on all corners/sides" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D5527 <notmart> ** it's a full systemsettings plugin: user can still use the old modes <notmart> ** fully wire up search functionality, help and configuration for the other modes <notmart> ** custom delegate to make it more android-like --> smirky (~smirky@15.203.233.81) has joined this channel. --> Delta-One (~zero@2001:6b0:2:2801:4a8e:b693:52e3:349e) has joined this channel. <notmart> pretty much it <Sho_> romangg is nextr <Sho_> -r <notmart> questions? next? <Sho_> nice @ mouse stuff btw <notmart> thx <romangg> can I be last? have to ask you guys something. <notmart> ok <Sho_> oki, i'll put oyu after me then <Sho_> kbroulik go go go <kbroulik> I was at the Augsburger Linux-Infotag on Saturday and showcased Plasma to the visitors: https://plus.google.com/100202326091940882253/posts/SPQeaTzcnTP <kbroulik> Trying to get a blog post about it up next week or so. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive, people love what we did with Plasma both visually and functional (e.g. the focus on productivity, all the little new features, like audio indicator in task bar, the Breeze experience we also add to 3rd party apps like LibreOffice and so on). Interest in Plasma Mobile is undaunted with the phone being an eyecatcher drawing people to the booth. There were two guys <kbroulik> from a university who I pointed to the enterprise-ml and showcased some KIOSK stuff to them, I hope to see another large KDE deployment in the future ;) --> crazy (~crazy@frugalware/developer/crazy) has joined this channel. <Sho_> nifty * Sho_ has been really happy with the noticable uptick in positive responses/feedback/buzz everywhere lately <kbroulik> I continue work on the Plasma Browser Integration and hope to get a 0.1 release out by next week and announce that on the ml for people to try it out and squash bugs. It's already on the Chrome Web store (not yet listed) and still need to figure out some packaging stuff but it'll be amazing! <kbroulik> http://wstaw.org/m/2017/04/19/Screenshot_20170419_150144.png if you're wondering what it can do ;) <kbroulik> next(); <Sho_> you're going to get those Phoronix headlines again <Sho_> i'll have to write another bouncy ball <Sho_> ;) <Sho_> bshah's up <notmart> now with 30% more bounce <bshah> okay.. (not so structured notes) <Sho_> please only notes with a RDF doctype <Sho_> :) <bshah> I was mainly working on plasma mobile on arch stuff, I've included the patches for fixing font issue etc.. <bshah> And another thing is, project halium, I had kickoff meeting with people in team <bshah> and we want to soon announce this project <Riddell> kbroulik: does that need any code on the plasma side? <bshah> will possibly also do announcement on dot.kde.org or my personal blog * Sho_ imagines a meeting where everyone tries out kickoff, discusses their favorite menu tabs, app naming style, someone is doing cosplay as the default user icon <Riddell> bshah: Dot Dot! (it's most underused these days) <bshah> http://bshah.in/tmp/halium.html --> here is draft of official announcement <kbroulik> Riddell: it's a binary that runs and communicates with the rest of the world (e.g. exports stuff via dbus, mpris and what not) but it works with vanilla plasma <kbroulik> it's two parts, though, it's a binary (plasma-browser-integration package or so) and then the browser extension <Riddell> kbroulik: does that get released with Plasma? <bshah> otherwise done() <kbroulik> the extension itself isn't standalone-runnable <kbroulik> Riddell: not yet sorted, the longterm goal is, yes, to get that as part of plasma and shipped by default, like we do plasma-integration and breeze style and what not <Riddell> next! <Sho_> Riddell is next <Riddell> oh it's me :) <Riddell> well the reason I was asking kbroulik about stuff in the releaes is it's repo freeze on thursday <Riddell> so if you have any other bits you need added to the release it needs agreement by then <Riddell> so far it's same as 5.9 plus xdg-desktop-thing <Riddell> my other question is does anyone care about plasmate? <Sho_> xdg-desktop-thing? <jgrulich> xdg-desktop-portal-kde <jgrulich> Flatpak portals <Riddell> that's the one :) <notmart> at the moment there isn't anybody in charge, no <Sho_> ah <Riddell> plasmate was broken for some time when kdevelop changed their API, fixed now https://cgit.kde.org/plasma-sdk.git/commit/?id=4a24c7d3ca1044c56a1ff4b6d07aefa8eac2d2ef <notmart> should pprobably be split in a separate repo, then plasma-sdk can be moved into workspace <Riddell> notmart: there's an idea <Riddell> shall I do that? <notmart> +1 from me <notmart> anybody else? <Riddell> well yes but it was your idea :) --> Son_Goku (~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has joined this channel. <Riddell> was hoping someone else would confirm <Sho_> jgrulich, you want to have a go? :) <Sho_> oh sorry, maybe I misread the "anybody else" as a "next" <notmart> anybody else ^^ +1? -1 ? <bshah> +! <bshah> * +1 --> cisc (~cisc@unaffiliated/cisc) has joined this channel. <Riddell> yay, I'll do it <Riddell> next() <Sho_> jgrulich if he wants to, otherwise my turn <jgrulich> Sho_: I have nothing to say :) --> s8321414 (~s8321...@1-174-25-11.dynamic-ip.hinet.net) has joined this channel. <Sho_> :'( <Sho_> oki <Sho_> it's been a TM-heavy week for me <Sho_> * [TM] Added a data role for "this task has an associated launcher" to TasksModel <Sho_> * [TM] With "Keep launchers seperate" disabled, the startup notification replacing the launcher item is now layouted to match the launcher item in size. The visual result is that the app item only expands to task size when the window appears, not already for the starting-up state. <Sho_> * [TM] Introduced a system to ignore runtime/host executables in the match-by-process-command-line part of the app matching heuristic, helps e.g. with perl-SDL apps such as Frozen Bubble <Sho_> * [TM] Fixed another bug borking window task listing on screen res changes <Sho_> * [TM] I've started a thread on wine-devel to poke them into improving desktop integration with promising results so far: https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2017-April/117413.html <Sho_> * [Other] Some Konversation bugfixing <Sho_> I have some UI things to try in appdash and simple menu, otherwise nothing too exciting going on <Sho_> Akademy accepted my talk proposal for complex text input in Plasma <Sho_> and my travel support req <Riddell> yay! <Sho_> so I guess I'm going to Akademy <Riddell> only if you promise to sort everything about CJK :) <Sho_> :) <Sho_> that's the goal <Sho_> alrighty <Sho_> romangg, you're up to close it out <romangg> ok! <romangg> * I wrote three porposals for GSoC projects this year. Two for KDE (Window Metadata, i.e. Window Thumbnails on Wayland and native Redshift in Plasma - also for Wayland) and one for Xorg (Multi present in Xwayland) --> pepo_ (~p...@p57a40085.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined this channel. <romangg> * Since I got offers from KDE and Xorg, I had to decide and I chose the Xorg project now, because this way I can quickly learn about the Xserver/Xwayland code and build up some relations to the people there (while I know you KDE people already ;) ). <Sho_> from a strategy POV that's pretty good, I want KDE to have more people in the middleware stack <-- pepo (~p...@p57a409ed.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). <Riddell> clever tactics <romangg> I feel a bit guilty though. sorry guys :`( <romangg> * The good news is: I forgot that one of my project ideas for KDE was the Redshift stuff and so I wrote most of it in the last week. You can see it in action on a Wayland session here: <romangg> https://streamable.com/xvg0x <Riddell> just make sure you wear big KDE logos while you're in their channels :) <-- Not_a_Robot (~s...@47.red-95-120-77.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has left this server (Quit: Konversation terminated!). <notmart> that, we can merge it soon, that's good <romangg> * I called it Night Color and it has three modi: (1) Automatic location and sun time detection (2) Manual location and from that automatic sun time detection (3) Manual sun time <notmart> i'm a bit sad for the window metadata stuff tough, as is really important for us :/ <kbroulik> Riddell: I'm not planning to release it as part of Plasma 5.10, so the repo freeze should be fine. first we need to get some testnig and what not (fvogt already found some quirks). would still be lovely if neon could have a package for that to try then <Riddell> kbroulik: what's the repo? <Riddell> romangg: awesomeness, is that 5.10 material? <kbroulik> Riddell: still in scratch right now https://cgit.kde.org/scratch/davidedmundson/plasma-browser-integration.git/ but d_ed requested a repo iirc <-- Son_Goku (~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has left this server (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). <einar77> kbroulik: I can make a package for the daring in openSUSE too <d_ed> I did <Sho_> oh it's a d_ed <Sho_> do you want to do the meety meets <einar77> kbroulik: on which plasma version it depends on? <Riddell> it's /the/ d_ed <romangg> Riddell: It could very well land in there, but I need to solve something first. <kbroulik> einar77: no plasma dependency <Riddell> romangg: separate repo or part of an existing one? <romangg> this is the question. <romangg> ok, let me finish that and then we can go on :P <kbroulik> einar77: Riddell let's talk this through later this week, ok? ie. some cmake stuff might need to be sorted out for you guys and I'm not really good at this :) <einar77> kbroulik: sure, poke me anytime you want <kbroulik> <3 <bshah> kbroulik: if you need cmake help I can help with it :P <Sho_> d_ed, you want to go ...? <-- jgrulich (~jgrulich@217.170.98.36) has left this server (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). --> agurenko (agurenko@nat/redhat/x-uuthpuefdytsybkx) has joined this channel. <romangg> wait! <Sho_> oh <Sho_> sorry <romangg> np <romangg> (1) uses the geolocation DataEngine and a self written sun calculation function <romangg> (2) uses the above function with the manual location data as input <romangg> (3) just uses the sun time data <romangg> * The color temperature value is controlled by adjusting the CRTC gamma values in the DRM platform <romangg> * The problem / question: <romangg> * Currently the functionality is implemented solely in KWin, but I want to change that because I think at least having the location automatic directly in the compositor is troublesome. <-- oftc_ftw (~oftc_ftw@unaffiliated/oftc-ftw/x-3443471) has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). <d_ed> didn't we talk about having a DRM gamma DBus interface in kwin? <d_ed> as then we can solve the kgamma case too <d_ed> which would put the sun stuff outside kwin <romangg> At the moment I'm trying to outsource it by implementing the auto location and probably also the timing stuff in an applet. <kbroulik> and powerdevil screen fade out <romangg> d_ed: yea, something like that. <romangg> kgamma stuff comes next. it can be done on top of the Night Color stuff. <romangg> (I think of having a sole class ColorCorrection in KWin, which does it all in the end) <romangg> ((and gets its values via dbus)) <romangg> i.e. temperature value and/or gamma values for individual monitors. <romangg> but my question is if the applet to send the data to KWin via dbus should be in the plasma-desktop repo or plasma-workspace or should get an own one? <romangg> I also have the KCM shown in the video above. <romangg> applet and KCM could share some functions. <bshah> romangg: p-w please.. so in future it can be used on mobile as well <romangg> bshah: and how would the data/function sharing work with the KCM (which would be in plasma-desktop I assume)? <romangg> maybe someone can help me with this stuff after the meeting. <bshah> yeah best to breakout <romangg> that would be all for now from my side <Sho_> d_ed then <notmart> +1 for gamma trough dbus <notmart> (maybe limiting the accepted values to avoid pure black) <d_ed> I've been spending all week doing either QtCurve fixes and fixing some issue with the "missing clicks". I now have a nice Qt bug report with an easily reproducible test case <d_ed> I'm not quite sure what I'm doing this week. <-- moofang (~l...@i118-21-21-210.s41.a013.ap.plala.or.jp) has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). <Sho_> something will come along i'm sure <Sho_> :) <Sho_> alrighty, /meeting <Sho_> i'll do notes in a while <llucas> d_ed: since you are working on qtcurve can you add appstream Metadata to the project? <Riddell> I'll highlight the release notes pad for 5.10 https://notes.kde.org/p/plasma_5_10 <Riddell> do add stuff that's new or changed in 5.10 <kbroulik> Riddell: einar77 currently the plasma-browser-integration installs a policy file that has google chrome install the extension from the store on installation. in the future I want to add a cmake flag so you can decide whether to download it or package and install the extensin locally (to avoid downloading stuff from the web without user's consent). also for firefox nothing has been done yet but you can apparently also install extensions somehow <pepo_> romangg, please add me to any discussion about kscreen/kgamma/kwin color correction <pepo_> unless its in plasma-devel or here <romangg> pepo_: https://phabricator.kde.org/T4465 <sKreamer> Task 4465 "[kwin] Gamma correction" [Open,Normal] {KWin,Plasma on Wayland} https://phabricator.kde.org/T4465 <romangg> not much stuff there yet. I'll add it soon. <pepo_> merci <pepo_> Cannot live without a custom gamma curve, so currently using a hacked XF86VidModeGamma. <llucas> romangg: is that night mode only wayland only ? <romangg> llucas: yea. It doesn't make much sense to me to make it for X as well, since there the Redshift lib is working together with some widgets from the store. <romangg> pepo_: so KGamma doesn't fulfill your needs? --> HoloIRCUser (~holo...@user-94-254-162-177.play-internet.pl) has joined this channel. <pepo_> nope <pepo_> my gamma curve has 33 points :) <pepo_> then interpolates the gamma values between those
