On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:17 AM, Martin Klapetek <martin.klape...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Riddell <j...@jriddell.org> wrote: >> >> <Sho_> * Services integration - I see more and more users who have >> data locked up in clouds (GDrive, etc.) and rely on accessing it >> <Sho_> Gnome has GDrive integration, we need to do more on getting >> cloud filesystems into our software too, but we dropped the ball on >> KAccounts etc. for now > > > As the former KAccounts maintainer, I'd like to share some insights on this. > > The tech is there. It's proven by real world usage in Ubuntu (incl. Phone), > Meego before that (iirc) and to some extent also Gnome, which has its own > fork of the same thing (I guess they just really don't like Qt anywhere). > Also > Elementary is using one of these, but I don't remember which. And if I'm > not mistaken, also Jolla in their phones. > > So we have the tech, but what we're missing are two things, really. > > 1) Things actually using it. We've had KAccounts for a while but there was > nothing taking advantage of it, except KDE Telepathy, which migrated fully > to it. So it sort of became a synonym for KTp accounts config. On the other > hand, there was nothing much else that would actually need it. There was > an OwnCloud lib or Plasma thingy at some point where I pleaded to have the > account setup done through (K)Accounts to boost the adoption, but it never > happened. Related to that is... > > 2) Buy in from PIM. I mean, let's face it, the real accounts user in the > system > is PIM, with all the emails and calendars and contacts and what not. This > obviously requires quite some large effort to actually migrate everything to > it and sadly the PIM team is long time understaffed. Now with the new Sink > thing, this could have been a chance, but, again, after asking couple times > about the accounts plan, (K)Accounts was never in the picture. And that's > a problem. > > And so now we have this system that nobody in/around KDE wants to use. > My take on it is that people (devs) don't really understand how that system > works and how to take advantage of it, which is partly my fault. It is > fairly > complex system on the inside with lots of points of possible breakages, but > also allows for great flexibility all around. > > So, imho, in order to successfully follow literally every other desktop > these > days, it needs a proper full integration in all things using accounts. And > it really > shouldn't be just an afterthought. It needs to be put right at the core of > those > things and workflows should be redesigned to take that into account (heh). > It > needs to be a conscious community-wide effort, like Frameworks was. > Otherwise > KAccounts will stay exactly where it is now - a promising (egg-)shell that > has no > real use. > > Unfortunately if the past two years are any indication, especially with > Sink, > the road ahead is not very bright. > > I'm happy to try my best to answer any possible future questions about the > system > you might have. Friedrich Kossebau was also writing a tutorial about it at > some > point, but I'm not sure where it ended up (if at all; I also failed to > follow up on that).
Hi Martin, I'm planning to integrate KAccounts with kio-gdrive, so your email is very much appreciated. What exactly is "Kaccounts" in the first place? Are we talking about the kaccounts-integration repo? A tutorial would be great, but maybe is enough to look at the KDE Telepathy usage. Could you share more details about this? > > Cheers > -- > Martin Klapetek Cheers Elvis
