> On June 4, 2015, 9:59 a.m., Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > > applets/digital-clock/package/contents/config/main.xml, line 43 > > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/diff/1/?file=378756#file378756line43> > > > > Why not make it default? > > > > Yours looks much more beautiful and tidy than the old 4.x version which > > always confused me. > > Martin Klapetek wrote: > "Simple by default, powerful when needed" ;) It's not a feature everyone > wants/needs, but it's there when they do. > > Sebastian Kügler wrote: > IMO, it should default to on, without an option. Weeknumbers are a pretty > basic calendar feature, and most people will probably not even bother looking > at the config dialogue, especially since it has never been there. It's simply > a missing feature which we now add, it doesn't need to be optional. > > It's not "powerful when needed", it's "powerful when the user happens to > find the option in the config dialog" this way, it's advertised nowhere that > this feature is now available. > > David Edmundson wrote: > I've never used them. I'm with Martin. > > Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > I'd say bring in the usability team :) > > David Edmundson wrote: > effectively done: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=299174#c13 > comments 13 && 14 are Heiko and Thomas > > Kai Uwe Broulik wrote: > Ok then > > Martin Klapetek wrote: > > It's not "powerful when needed", it's "powerful when the user happens > to find the option in the config dialog" > > But that's the case with about /all/ our "powerful when needed" features, > isn't it? How else would you do "powerful when needed"? And it shouldn't be > decoupled from the "Simple by default" part, which this really is. > > > it's advertised nowhere that this feature is now available. > > Come on now, we add manymanymany new features every release, portion of > which is also off by default. That's what release notes are for. > > -- > > Anywho, from the aformentioned bug, comment by Thomas Pfeiffer: > > "A configuration option would definitely be helpful here, because the > week number is useless for many people, but essential for many others: In > many companies, week numbers are used regularly for time planning, but for > people not working in such companies they're indeed pretty much meaningless." > > One more interesting comment by someone: > > "I can not understand why you can configure the bejesus out of the clock, > but the calendar is a immutable monolithic totem to somebody's preferred > format." ...to which I have to really agree. > > Sebastian Kügler wrote: > I'm ok with that, I trust our usability people. In my perception, > weeknumbers are an essential calendar feature, but apparently they're less > used outside of "my world". :) > > Martin Gräßlin wrote: > While I have never worked in a company where week numbers matter, it's > actually the most important feature I need a calender for. Maybe it's a > cultural thing, but week numbers are pretty common in Germany - we even used > them in school. So IMHO our usability team is wrong here. > > Martin Klapetek wrote: > On contrary in Czech republic, many people even don't know that such > thing exists at all. In here it's quite useless piece of information (unless > in corporate environment). > > Martin Gräßlin wrote: > so it is a cultural thing - which means a config option makes sense. The > question is what way it should be. For users who need it and expect it: will > they find it? For users not needing it: will it hurt being shown? > > Every paper calender in Germany has the week number, so not having it > seems from my German perspective extremely broken. > > Martin Klapetek wrote: > I don't think we should be arguing this - it can be different per country > and we'll never agree on it. And we have estabilished "simple by default, > powerful when needed" vision kindofthing. So I think we should be following > that. For many people (and I dare to say 50%) week numbers are "powerful" > (ie. useless). For those that do need it, check that checkbox and be done. > > By the way, our clock does not show date by default and I do believe that > date is actually way more important than week number.
Well, space is at a premium in the panel, so all kinds of assumptions that are true for the calendar do not hold in the panel. - Sebastian ----------------------------------------------------------- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/#review81163 ----------------------------------------------------------- On June 4, 2015, 9:55 a.m., Martin Klapetek wrote: > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: > https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/ > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > (Updated June 4, 2015, 9:55 a.m.) > > > Review request for Plasma. > > > Repository: plasma-workspace > > > Description > ------- > > One of the most requested features for Plasma5. This is the applet's part > (basically just the config). > > See https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124004/ for part 1 and screenshot. > > Another part will be the (standalone) Calendar applet. > > > Diffs > ----- > > applets/digital-clock/package/contents/config/main.xml 5237160 > applets/digital-clock/package/contents/ui/CalendarView.qml b5a080b > applets/digital-clock/package/contents/ui/configAppearance.qml 669b1cc > > Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/124005/diff/ > > > Testing > ------- > > > Thanks, > > Martin Klapetek > >
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