On July 14, 2010, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On July 14, 2010, Thomas Fjellstrom wrote: > > On July 14, 2010, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > On July 14, 2010, Thomas Fjellstrom wrote: > > > > Normally I would agree. Do you volunteer to make sure the bug never > > > > appears again? > > > > > > yes, we do. now that we're at the point of such questions, though, > > > it's safe to say that this thread has reached the end of its ability > > > to produce useful input. let's stop here. > > > > I happen to think its a perfectly valid point. If you can't guarantee > > the bug won't reappear, an easily discoverable work around is going to > > have to be made for it. > > if the bug has a very low possibility of reappearing and if it does the > consequences are nominal, then hobbling the default interface for > everyone all the time is a really bad idea. so no, it isn't a valid > point at all.
I sure wouldn't call it hobbling the interface. > > Just a little bit of brain storming, but some place, an interface > > showing a list of the current running plasmoids (one item per plasmoid > > instance), which when hovered over with the mouse cause them to be > > highlighted by plasma itself. It would make the most sense if it were > > to hide all normal windows, or bring plasma forward. > > last time we discussed this (on this list even, iirc), the possibility of > having a listing of running plasmoids in the tasks (ctrl+escape) window > from krunner sounded pretty nice. and it could be without all the other > problems of adding removal to the "add widgets" interface. That might indeed be nice. > > Possibly tie it into the ZUI to show all > > current containments. > > there is no ZUI anymore. As of 4.4.4 it still zooms. > > That said, a much simpler and easier to implement idea would be to add > > back that minus button and just force people to add back instances > > they wanted (if theres more than one running). > > which was exactly the problem: it doesn't say what is being removed, > leading to loss of desired items. this made the minus sign less than > useful. adding finer granularity to it just makes it harder to use. > simpler does not always mean better. I fully understand the reasoning. But now I have no way to remove lost widgets. I'd call that a hobbled interface. > so, no, this feature will not be re-appearing. that is final. > > > Maybe as an option. > > that isn't how we work here. if there is a solution to a problem that > isn't workable, we don't simply say "well, just throw it in there and > make it an option, even if it does suck." that's just a way to make the > software suck twice as hard: now it has a poor solution -and- a > configuration option for people to deal with. lose. It sucks more now than it did before. > > > p.s. the javascript console lets you get to any plasmoid using > > > scripting. > > > > And I'm sure its fully documented, > > it is. > > > easily discoverable, and understandable by mere users. > > it isn't. and i don't think it's a solution for "mere users" (a phrase > that's a bit ... un-nice to the people who use kde software, imho). it's > an option for those of us who run into such situations during > development. Most of the time I'm a /mere/ user. I don't think its un-nice. Most people doing day to day regular tasks really don't want nor need to worry about some script console. Heck, most of the time I can't remember the various key shortcuts to various things. Took me an age to fully memorize ALT+F2, and just recently I may have fully memorized the "Disable compositing" short cut, but I tend to forget it over and over, so I have to go at it the long way. -- Thomas Fjellstrom tfjellst...@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
