On Monday 09 February 2009 21:39:30 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Monday 09 February 2009 20:02:41 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > On Monday 09 February 2009 19:10:53 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > > I need the panel in > > > desktop grid as it helps me to identify the desktop I am currently > > > using showing me the apps in this desktop. > > > > Just to clarify, the original problem was that the panel would be the > > same on all desktops (because it changes appearance when desktops are > > switched). So > > > > - it's useless to distinguish a certain desktop as you state > > - it's different from the actual panel you'll see on that desktop after > > switching > > I quite know these points. Nevertheless I found a useful way to use this > inconsistency. I am able to adjust my workflows ;-) Of course that's > nothing for avarage users. > > We all agree that current behaviour sucks. We all agree that when you have > set the option to only show tasks from current desktop the behaviour sucks. > We unfortunately disagree about the solution. Your patch solves the problem > for users who changed the default, but causing a regression for users who > stick to the default or don't mind the fact that the panel is showing the > wrong task list. I don't know what's worse. A regression is bad for user > experience, having a blank area is imo bad for user experience, current > situation is bad for user experience. > > What I'd like to see as a solution is a config option. We have the config > option for showing all tasks, so why not? Why not autmagically enable the > "don't show panel feature" when setting this option. Of course this would > require much more work. But it would be possible and wouldn't cause a > regression. Btw that's now the second idea I came up with ;-) But I'd like > the first one to keep the panel in it's place better.
Heh, that would be technically correct, but somehow it doesn't feel right to me (i.e. the Mücke-Elefant overkill you're talking about). > > Zooming out mentally. > > > > > > The whole patch is so simple and the issue so seemingly minor that I'm > > very concerned about collaboration between Plasma and KWin. Long ago I > > wanted to have more interaction and integration between Plasma and KWin > > (and I even think it's critical for a good user experience). I'm not > > blaming anybody here, but it depresses me how badly that collaboration > > sucks right now, at least when done via mailinglist. I hope we can find > > some time to sit together at Akademy to sort out the most glaring issues > > preventing the KDE workspace becoming one user experience, but that's of > > course way too late for KDE 4.3, so we're looking at a timeframe of > > nearly a year before this would become visible, if at all possible. > > > > > > From a Plasma developer POV that loves KWin as well, and has even worked > > on it a bit, if an issue like this costs so much energy to tackle, I have > > little hope that for a better integration of those two components. It > > feels a bit like everything that's coming from the Plasma team is > > rejected by default and only accepted in very rare cases. That certainly > > makes me sad and is not in line with interaction in other parts of KDE. > > :-( > > > > We sat together here in Porto yesterday and though about what where we'd > > like to see more integration between KWin and Plasma. This thread makes > > me believe that it'll cost a lot of energy along with much frustration to > > actually get there -- and that while I know that all of us share the same > > goals and are actually very nice people. > > > > Can we all try a bit harder, please? > > Personally I think "ihr macht aus einer Mücke einen Elefanten" (sorry for > the German - please ask sebas for a translation of this phrase). We just > have a disagreement on what's worse. I think it is OK to discuss and of > course mailinglists sucks for discussions. You had the chance to talk about > this at Porto - we just had IRC ;-) Yes, very true. The Wednesday night before I left I asked myself why we didn't get you guys over here. It's a failure on our side to not invite you over. "Funny" how this is now getting back to us ... :/ > and talking of it... tomorrow I'll go to join the plasma IRC channel to > discuss options to improve dashboard with the help of kwin effects ;-) I > want a higher integration as well. very cool :> I'll be happy to help out as much as I can, and I'm sure others will do so as well. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
