Shoot! The title's supposed to be "Committing to a usable plasma desktop"! I am very sorry.
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Steven <steven...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you may have taken offense to the title. This was not intended as > an insult. Let me explain why I chose it, and I'm sorry if any offense was > taken. > > I am all for the concepts behind Plasma. I like the idea of organizing > files, programs, and tools needed for a task in an activity for easy and > logical access. (this is an oversimplification of one of the concepts, but > if it is wrong, please correct me) However, I find that plasma is holding > itself back by not committing to this. > > For example, its hard to organize the files on the desktop. You have to > make the appropriate folders, make the appropriate folder views, then move > the files into these folders (or onto the folder views) and then, if you > want to also leave the file in the its original location so you can find it > if you forget its on your desktop, one or the other has to be a link, > meaning that you don't have full access to the file management tasks in one > place or the other. If folder views could reduce their reliance on the file > system, then setting this up could become a lot easier. > > Its things like this where Plasma is holding on to an old outdated metaphor > that I think hold plasma back. Since my suggestion is to rethink how the > plasma desktop metaphor is managed in order to remove its reliance on > folders altogether, thus committing to the new metaphor, I thought this was > the right name for the topic. Again, I apologize if I offended you. > > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Steven <steven...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You misunderstood me and insulted me when I was simply making a suggestion >> and looking for feedback. This is why many users feel alienated. My point >> was that the reliance of the folder view on the traditional file system is a >> hindrance, and that a second system, based on activities and logical >> groupings might be better. My suggestion that this structure reside in the >> Desktop directory, and that it be browsable with a file manager is simply >> for interoperability with other desktop environments. Any method of >> smoothing migration to (and from) KDE4 would be good idea, as well as not >> breaking standards that, while outdated, are still being followed by the >> majority of other DE's. >> >> I also would like you feedback on the other parts of my suggestion, which >> would allow better interaction with the more liberal and logical structure >> I'm suggesting. >> >> If I'm way off, that I ask that you suggest something else, as, at the >> moment, there are unresolved useability bugs that need attention, as >> evidenced by the number of people looking forward to the folder view desktop >> as an alternative to the plasma desktop. >> >> My reply was originally going to be dripping with sarcasm as a retort to >> your rudeness. However, as that would have done little to futher >> constructive discussion, I chose not to. Please try to do the same yourself, >> and not alienate your users. >> >> >> 2008/12/14 Aaron J. Seigo <ase...@kde.org> >> >>> On Sunday 14 December 2008, Steven wrote: >>> > A few usability bugs (okay, maybe only one, but I like exaggeration as >>> much >>> >>> oh, and let me just state that in deeply considering a shift in focus for >>> 4.2, >>> i was concerned that such drivel as this would be inspired by our work to >>> provide compatibility with people preconceived notions of a desktop. >>> >>> do not take our work to humbly submit to those broken ideas as a >>> ratification >>> of the long-outdated concepts that inspired them some 25 years ago. >>> >>> that is simply to keep people OFF our backs and to allow people to move >>> forward in a slow progression (as per my original statements some 2-3 >>> years >>> ago on this matter), it isn't to trick us into falling back into the >>> stupid >>> mistakes of the last 15 years of client side computing. >>> >>> -- >>> Aaron J. Seigo >>> humru othro a kohnu se >>> GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 >>> >>> KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Software >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plasma-devel mailing list >>> Plasma-devel@kde.org >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel >>> >>> >> >
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