Not approaching anything like 10000, but I'm solidly comfortable with a 1250 
auto TAV setting, which 
surprises me with each happening
on my K3ll.
J

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> On Jul 21, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Larry Colen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> TLDR: In most situations I find that I can push up to 10,000 and get usable 
> images, particularly when shooting social or dance events indoors.  I'm much 
> better off doing 10,000 without a flash than annoying, or distracting, folks 
> with a flash at lower ISOs.
> 
> Too noisy is very subjective and depends on the situation. I find the noise 
> at ISO 10,000 comparable to the grain on Tri-X.
> 
> I have found that I have lost far more photos trying to preserve ISO and 
> ending up at too slow of a shutter speed, or too narrow of a depth of field 
> than I have by pushing the ISO too hard.
> 
> I have found that with hard drives being under $50/terabyte, unless I am 
> shooting action, there is little downside to experimenting widely with 
> exposure particularly with "tripod shots".
> 
> There is also little downside to just going out and experimenting, pushing 
> beyond what I consider the limits of the camera to learn.
> 
> Also, as image processing improves, raw files that were too noisy a few years 
> ago can now be cleaned up quite satisfactorily.
> 
> I have found that with the iso-invariance of the cameras, bracketing ISO has 
> little benefit, unless I'm in danger of blowing out highlights.  So, if I'm 
> bracketing I'm usually either in Av or M mode.  As I think about this, I may 
> want to experiment again with bracketing in Tav mode, because blown 
> highlights tend to be the danger.
> 
> In good light, in auto exposure, I'll shoot at ISO 100 and Av mode.
> 
> If I can't get ISO 100, in auto exposure, I'll set the shutter speed and 
> aperture I need  and take whatever ISO I can get in Tav mode. One time I was 
> doing this at a concert, one frame looked a bit grainy, but still usable, and 
> it turned out to be ISO 25,600.
> 
> Back when doing low light work with much older tech sensors, I found that if 
> something is noisier than I like, if I process in black and white the noise 
> just looks like grainier film, and is much less objectionable.
> 
> 
> Ken Waller wrote on 7/21/18 10:40 AM:
>> I almost never shoot above 400 ISO in my outdoor photography, a force of 
>> habit.
>> For comparisons I shot some birdy images at the feeder and varied the ISO up 
>> to 51200, same f stop with varying shutter speeds.
>> Surprise, surprise but I got very usable captures up to 25600, but not so 
>> much @ 51200 - which produced a noticeable color shift.
>> A subjective evaluation that will give me a little more leeway in the field.
>> Wondering what list members have found in this regard with their DSLRs ?
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
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