It is one thing to be hard nosed with existing customers, but with weddings, you are trying to get the booking. So what the brides are looking for is all this 'artsy' stuff. Quite honestly, it is more a female/male thing. Women are more into romantic, dreamy stuff and men aren't. It is a bit like the Anne Geddes babies stuff - makes me want to wretch, yet my wife thinks it is very cute.
So while I can tell potential clients I don't do that 'artsy' stuff, many competitors do. So you lose out on business. I am currently losing out on business, but at least have my dignity intact. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, February 5, 2009, 10:08:53 AM, you wrote: PS> I've become pretty hard-nosed with my customers about payment for the PS> work I do for them. I'll work with them to come up with something PS> value-added that costs me little time or money but if they want a PS> significant investment of either one for nothing they're out of luck. PS> If they could have done it themselves, then they shouldn't have hired me PS> to begin with. I figure if they hire me they either (a) can't do it PS> themselves or (b) don't want to do it themselves, so the argument that PS> "I could have done that myself" doesn't wash. My investment in PS> equipment and years of experience are valuable to me and should be PS> valuable to the customer as well. PS> Over the years I've developed a few simple rules about payment for my PS> services. Occasionally I get soft hearted and bend those rules - and PS> almost invariably end up regretting it. PS> -p PS> William Robb wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Sullivan" >> Subject: Re: Film-days >> >> >>> Bill, >>> Charge more for tricks. >> >> That is the idea. Unfortunately, we are living in an era where everyone >> with a computer is a self styled Photoshop master. We've had people want >> a trick post process but not want to pay for it because they could do it >> themselves in "just a few minutes at home". >> It's the old "Uncle George has a good camera so why am I paying a >> professional so much" syndrome. >> >> William Robb >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 01/30/09 >> 17:31:00 >> PS> -- PS> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PS> [email protected] PS> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net PS> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

