Hi Bill, First off, Jaume != Juan. Jaume's explanation is accurate, of course.
Second, I call Godwin on the gas chamber comment. Third, I kind of, mostly, agree. A bullfight (and I have been to a few) strikes me as a barbaric spectacle, the last remnant of a tradition going back thousands of years. That, and the realization that it is quite possible that this is something that will disappear in my lifetime, is part of what attracts me to it. Fourth: 48 bulls are sacrificed each year in Pamplona. The fighting bull is bred just for that, and up until the last day, he's treated a lot better than any other kind of cattle. If I had to choose, I think I'd rather be a fighting bull than a cow raised in a feedlot for macdonalds meat. What I'm trying to say is, yes, it seems cruel and barbaric, but the burger joints of any American or Canadian city probably go through a lot more animals than the ones killed during the bullfighting fiestas of any town in Spain. And those are animals who truly have had an unhappy existence, marked by cruelty, as opposed to a good life ending in a bullfight. So, I agree with you in principle and sentiment, but until we are all vegetarians, which we could be, I'll keep coming to Pamplona. Then all those animals would not even exist and we'll all be happy. j Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com On 11 Jul 2008, at 17:20, "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jaume Lahuerta" > Subject: Re: PESO: Encierro (published, sort of) > > > I was expecting a response like this one...just some clarification: > > Note that there is a difference between the 'Encierro' and the > 'Corrida'. > The first one is just to conduct, at 8am, the bulls from one place > to the Plaza, where the > Corrida, the actual bullfighting, will take place in the afternoon. > This takes normally from 2 > to 5 (intense) minutes. > During the Encierro, since there is a lot of people, narrow and > slippery streets, protective > walls...there may be some injuries to the bulls, mainly when they > fall down or when they face > someone and then others beat them in order to attract their > attention. But I really don't think > that anybody complained if all finished at this point. > After all, I have seen horses heavily injured and even dead during > horse races (pure human > entertainment) and I haven't heard any big complaints. Bear in mind > that the same bulls > participate in the bullfight a few hours later so they can't be that > injured. > > The problem here is that those bulls will be killed in the afternoon > by the bullfighter, and not > by accident, but because it is the objective of the whole > thing...well...they say that there is > 'art' in the way of doing it. > > If I could vote in order to forbid the bullfighting, I wouldn't > hesitate. > I am not that sure about the Encierro. > > > (note that encierros are made only during a week in some places, > being the most famous Pamplona > during San Fermin celebrations) > > Regards, > Jaume > > > Thanks for the explanation. > I have problems with any animal related "sport" where the animal is > deliberately put into a > situation where it is endangered, either physically or mentally. I > include bull fighting, dog > fighting, bull riding (in fact most rodeo activities) in this list. > Your Encierro is essentially > taking the animals to the killing field, where the bull fighters > finish them off. > It's part A of a two part process designed to torture and kill these > animals. > I suppose it is possible to be in favour of transporting prisoners > to the gas chamber, but not > be in favour of turning on the gas, I just don't see how you can > justify one without the other. > Don't defend it, the entire process is abhorrent. > FWIW, I'm also not in favour of the breeding of race horses that can > outrun the strength of > their bones, though not horse racing per se, since the horses aren't > supposed to die at the end. > The breeders of some of the animals need to get the same treatment > as what their horses get when > their legs break on the track though. > Do they still use bullets for that? > > Anyway, every year, you post pictures from this demented activity, > and every year you get the > same response from me. > I'm sure we'll do it again next year. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
